P.S. The US military has had a manned space program since the 60's that is still operating today. If you really think the US would let any country get the upper hand in something so strategic you are a lemming.
@Burnz2much Look at what usa done to this world ,this parasite robbed the oil and other resources from other countries,never stop invading other countries and messing with others....too many sins made by it...What a facist shithole it is,the same as nazi Germany.dont be arrogant like this cuz u r just a war slave of your facist government,
so ur life is worthless.One day u will die for ur lord on battlefield ,it would be sad!!!
This video is retarded. First 3 manned space flights in 5 years? First country to make a space station? 3rd to have a man in orbit? <--- What does that all mean?! lolol They are also 1st in having more poor, underpaid helpless people because their government rapes and pillages everyone to pay for these advances china has made. Don't try to make it sound like a nice place to live, I know better. I would rather be poor in the US then well off in that shit hole.
@a363361329 I am not Korean or Japanese I deeply hate Chinese, they are the only animals capable of poisoning their own children with melamine milk, they are so loud and their language sounds like ching chang chong, always talking how super power china is. Chinese don't realize they were ruled by Mongols and Manchurians for centuries. :D
This country has got to be a superpower besides China wants to run the show in the future they have the cabability plus the population to do it, Chinese are very smart they are becoming smarter than americans too.
all people is not equal under the communism china,most of people is so poor,but major communist has so many privilege,car house food etc etc,,,,,,major communist in china just want to keep those privilege,so that why they killed historical amount of their citizen,its typical characteristic of communism,communist kill their against people without any permission necessary,china is perfectly lawless zone,chinese communist party killed historical amount of people for keep major communist`s privilege
just go to China to see the real China, dont belive the news from your countries. Chinese are waiting for you. We have happy lives in China. we love China.
This video is nothing but bs. China's military is NOT one of the strongest; it's one of the weakest. China can only dream about beating the US, USSR, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, etc..Some countries China might be able to beat would be Ethiopia, Laos, Cambodia. Don't forget...20 brits defeated 600,000,000 chinese and took over HongKong. 20,000 Japs took over the whole country...lol.
@why2lie U stupid fool, Do u read?? Per record Sino India war Chinese won in 4 days defeat India King troop captured 10,000 included brigade commender gen. In vetnam, Killed 58.000, injured 300,000 american, In N Korea Chinese LIGHT TROOPS captured 100,000 american and U.N troops, Gen Mcarther lost so much suggested use nuke, then fired
In Korea war. CAF defeat american by 261 vs 332 fighter planes, the only air war USA lost is to China Chinese gurrela syle fighting is most fearsome known
@fdoca Where did you get those figures from? In your dreams, maybe? China can't beat anybody except...maybe...Ethiopia or Somalia, or Cambodia....lol.
@why2lie You haven't shown any facts to back up your claim, only your sole opinion. China has been rapidly mondernizing its military since 1978 and more than rapid enough to keep the Americans worried. Your description of the PLA would fit the PLA of the 1960's-1970's.
@fdoca What kinda drugs did you take? Here are the facts: chinese are dumb and poor. chinese are just farmers and cooks. chinese are short and ugly. no body likes chinese...not even the chinese themselves. chinese can't built anything usable....everything built in china is fake. most chinese are gay. chinese lost every war they fought...to vietnam...to japan...to the us...even to Laos. LOL. chinese were treated like animals by the japanese and everyone elses. LOL.
@niceguyFTW um okay dude those arent facts go and study china's 6000 years of history.. if they did lose every war then how come they are the 4th largest land mass? if they did lose every war, then there would be no chinese. oh and chinese are just farmers and cooks and are dumb? google China: World's fastest supercomputer.
@why2lie Korea war document youtube vid by american is nothing?
ask any american warplan officers, they quoted " Chinese troops are z crazist and hardest fuckers in z world, they can kick american soldier any time w no sweat.
Underestimate z Chinese, u will die, read & sturdy !! dummy, hope u dare to fight a young chinese on street,
@fdoca Um, we trained with a few chinese soldiers and koreans, the koreans didnt lose any challenge to the chinese. As far as *kick american soldier*?*.. um we beat their asses, they were all 50-90 lbs lighter then us, A few got thrown into the air. lol Without weapons they stood no chance. You do make up allot of shit in your head don't you. Still makes me ROFL though, keep it up!
@ManjuSu as far as i know the manchurians always viewed han chinese with disgust and always kept the hans seperate by not allowing han & manchus to inter marry or hans to enter manchuria, if anything Han chinese were the slaves of the qing dynasty.
@Azz156 Not always. The Manchus immediately became the minority since the dawn of the Qing empire but neither where the Han-Chinese slaves throughout the history of the Qing dynasty. Nurhaci viewed the Han-Chinese with utter contempt while Huangtaiji had some degree of respect for them. Shunzhi and his succesors viewed the Han-Chinese as one of the most important ethnic groups of the Qing empire and they were the ethnic group that participated the most in government activities.
@boyuan1992 but when Genghis Khan ruled Mongolia it was completely separate from china & he conquered china, the same way as Taiwan was conquered in the Qing Dynasty but i think i forgot to mention the Qing Dynasty was the Manchu Empire which at the time was a foreign country to china. its like India saying Australia is apart of India since we were apart of the same empire at one point. So no Taiwan is its own country & never was apart of any Chinese empire only the Japanese & Manchu empire
@Azz156 no im not inventing anecdotes up, it is the true history. if you really have interest in chinese history , dont just spend 5 min on google searching up maps made by foreigners. its the famous 24 shi from china, or just ask any chinese person you know. i know your sources are limited and i sympathise with your lack of knowledge. dont try to argue chinese history with a chinese guy because most of the professors here who has a phd on far east history dont know what they are talking about.
@Azz156 as i said taiwan was took back by china at the qing dynasty and who did he take it back from? the descendent of zheng cheng gong, the descendant of a chinese general serving the ming dynasty. as i said, the only time when taiwan was not apart of china is the 30 so years when the netherlands took it. your ignoring what im telling you. i think you are also ignoring the fact that you are talking to a chinese person who has gone through history courses in CHINA
Zheng Chenggong born Aug. 28, 1624, Hirado, Japan, died June 23, 1662, Taiwan.
I like debating this with who since I'm learning more but your again wrong, Zheng Chenggong was a Japanese General who fought against the Manchu empire but ultimately was defeated, also he is a celebrated hero of mainland china & of indigenous Taiwanese for defeating the Dutch but is regarded by Taiwanese for keeping Taiwan independent from Manchu Empire/Chinese mainland rule.
@boyuan1992 If anything Zheng Chenggong & his sons were fighting the Manchu Empire not helping them take Taiwan and according to you the Manchu Empire (Qing Dynasty) is Chinese so in fact he was fighting to keep them off the island.
Go China, Free the world from evil! ( americans !!! )
Ans azz156 You just live in your own world, Im from Bulgaria, Im neutral , Im not stupid americans, who doesnt know that americans are actually people who come from EUROPE , neither I'm chinese. But most people hate usa, and either have not opinion of China, or a good one. Why? If you get out of your little immaginary world, you'll know, but I doubt you'd do that, You're just affraid of the truth ^^ Stupid americans
@TervelBG I see America as the lesser of 2 evils and we have alot to thank America for or me and our Chinese friend would be living in the Japanese empire and you would be living in the third reich , but then again you and your family were on the other side of the iron curtain so maybe your just feeling abit nostalgic about communism.
I think you didn't read any of my messages or you would know i'm a Australian not American.
China pride... You military is expected to succeed US's in what 15 years? There is a collective beside the US that will silence any 'advancement' made by your military any day of the week. Enough though of comparing our countries' dick sizes. (Though statically proven, chinese have smaller ones anyways. :P )
ok now do a video of the Tiananmen square massacre, china bullying Taiwan, invasion of Tibet, support for North Korea. Makes you wish the roc beat the prc back in the 40's.
Still at least the USA can easily beat china, that 1 million man strong army is kinda useless when the navy & air force is destroyed :P
@Azz156 The ROC was as authoritarian like Mao's regime before 1978 and the Tiananmen protests were all hyped up by the media, as usual. China's millitary capability would be more than enough to keep the US at bay.
@ManjuSu im sure the mainland of China can easily defend off any major attack but any attack from China on Taiwan would end in disaster. The US has war gamed a possible attack on Taiwan from China and it all ways ends up with the Chinese airforce and navy destroyed with no where to go from there.
If China wants the worlds respect, withdraw support of North Korea & let Taiwan be its own independent country.
@Azz156 And how are you so sure that the American people would be so eager to support another war in a foreign country where they have no buisness? Besides, you're only viewing this possible scenario from one side; you haven't taken any capabilities of the Chinese airforce and navy into account as usual. Taiwan is now economically bound to China, so independence won't have much good impact.
@ManjuSu The only reason Taiwan is becoming so dependent on China is because China is making all other countrys around the world only trade with them.
So for example just say the country i live in Australia started full diplomatic relations with Taiwan China would cut off all relations with Australia. This is just another typical example how China bullys the world into getting what it wants.
@Azz156 And how's that? Taiwanese companies invest in China because the opportunities here are huge (ECFA) and also, China is Taiwan's closest neighbor and there are very few cultural differences for Taiwanese investors. You're right that there are very few countries that have estabilished diplomatic relations with Taiwan and none with China. That's how international politics work, you don't have to expect any morality behind it.
@ManjuSu as for the Chinese air force and navy, everyone knows you guys buy mostly soviet era planes, tanks, ships, subs hell even your beloved space program is based on 50 year old soviet technology while the USA, Europe & even Taiwan have more advanced military hardware then China. so i think even if the world leaves Taiwan to be destroyed by China i think Taiwan can hold its own. Maybe even retake the mainland...its fun to dream
@Azz156 Either you're not from this century or you simply know nothing about the Chinese millitary, the PLA has assimilated almost all of the technology which they imported from Russia.
1 example is how they succesfully upgraded the flight hours of the Russian AL-31F engine from 900 flight hours to 1500 flight hours which will serve as the new WS-10A engine. Now China is almost nearly sufficient in developing engines which are as good as the Russian ones and soon, even better ones.
@ManjuSu they are still soviet era weapons, israel did the same thing with old ww2 era tanks from america but eventually replaced them with modern ones.
@Azz156 I don't think the Soviets succeeded in placing their moon-sattelite in a 9.5 mile high-orbit in the 50's or 60's. And so you think that Taiwan can hold its own without help? Even when Chinese short-range BM's are more than capable to devastate almost every millitary airfield on Taiwan?
@Azz156 Now you're stupid enough to compare a war-scenario between Taiwan and China with the 6 day war? Please do some research before you draw a conclusion. Only a few DH-10 missiles would be needed to neutralize the Taiwanese coast defences.
@ManjuSu everyone assumed the same for Israel when it was out numbered 3 to 1 & completely surrounded (but not only won the war but was within 100ks of all their capitals) which is very similar to Taiwans situation right now (maybe out number a little bit more), like if taiwan managed to do a full strike on all chinese missle bases along the coast then i would say they would stand a very good chance defending them selfs.
@Azz156 You haven't even compared the Chinese millitary with any of those of the Middle-Eastern belligerents of the Six-Day war so how are you able to predict a Taiwanese victory which is only based on your stereotypes of the PLA? Taiwan doesn't have any short range BM's, supersonic cruise missiles etc. to attack Chinese missile bases, even an air strike wouldn't be sufficient enough. China, on the other hand does.
@ManjuSu havent had a cance to reply back since i started my job but any way.
I base the Taiwanese victory on the fact China will have to launch the largest amphibian invasion in history and to add to that there is a high chance that the US will protect its allie, so not only will china have to deal with the Taiwan strait but also relentless air assaults from the Taiwanese & American air forces and when or if china lands on a beach in Taiwan they will have to deal with the Taiwanese army.
@Azz156 Any person who follows the modernization of the PLA on foot knows that Taiwan's millitary options are diminishing, even if it comes for launching air strikes. China right now has 1.300 short-range BM's aimed at Taiwan and if a war ever broke out, it could launch them instanly which would bombard most of the Taiwanese air bases, communication centers etc. and Taiwan neither has upgraded its aging F-16 fleet which forms the backbone of the Taiwanese air force.
@ManjuSu if china fired 1 short range bm then whole world would fall on china like a tonne of bricks, China just needs to face facts its never getting Taiwan.
@Azz156 International condemnation and probably even a war, but the whole world wont fall on China like "a tonne of bricks" like you've said. China and its SCO allies would get involved if there will be a war and an attack on Taiwan might result in WW3. So is China never getting Taiwan? Maybe not through millitary means but there are other means as well, for example: the Taiwanese economy is getting more and more integrated into China.
@ManjuSu don't be nieve, if china started a war over Taiwan then i can predict UN peace keeper forces seperating the 2 countries, sanctions and possibly war that China cant win. secondly the only reason Taiwan's economy is failing is because of Chinas one china policy, if any country has relations with Taiwan then China wont trade with them.
@Azz156 would be far worser that that, and more countries would get involved on both parties. Taiwan's economy is experiencing high, qualitative growth rates; why do you think I used the word "integrating" in my sentence? You just showed me how much you really know from what's going on in East Asia.
@ManjuSu i looked up Chinas SCO allies and there all poor 3rd world countries & i doubt Russia would come to your rescue. on our side we have Vietnam, India, Australia, New Zealand, America, Japan, Malaysia, South Korea & posibly Russia since you guys never really got along.
@Azz156 As I said before: You're viewing this from a black-white-point of view. There are alot of countries-including in thise you've mentioned (including Vietnam, Malaysia and India)-which won't risk a war with China, because they know it would have grave consequences for China, themselves and the world as well. And Russia? Sino-Russian relations have reached an all-time high this year; you probably don't read the news or at least, don't know much about Chinese foreign politics.
@ManjuSu I try to read the news as often as possible and I know how strained relations with Russia can be like the differences between the west & Russia over Georgia and Serbia/Kosovo etc but who will Russia choose in the case of a war, personally i think Russia would remain neutral since it would effect its monopoly with its natural gas & oil trade with Europe. So I think if there ever was a war China would be alone. But then again chances of a war like this are extremely remote.
@ManjuSu Lastly Chinas ability to actually win a war has yet to be proven (Korean war doesn't count since technically it never ended) since it got absolutely pummeled by Vietnam while Vietnam wiped out pol pot (chinas allie), so my point is if China cant even defeat a country that shares a land border with China (where china should have the advantage) then what hope does China have to not only launch the largest amphibian invasion in history but actually defeat the modernized military of Taiwan
@Azz156 That's because you're viewing this too simplistic, China lost to Vietnam because it's millitary strategies and communications equipment were outdated back in that time while the Vietnamese had their own advantages over PLA forces. Right now, the PLA's Type 63A amphibious tanks already exceed the accurate range of conventional ATGM rounds from Taiwan's modified M48 and M60 tanks which the ROC marines mainly use for amphibian defence, and this is only one example.
@ManjuSu vietnam defeated china using nothing more then local militia (aka farmers from local villages), it never commit one of its actual army devision. my point is not only did Vietnam completely defeat China with nothing more then militia it completely wiped out Chinas only allie in the area Cambodia (pol pot) at the same time. so if China couldnt even defeat farmers defending their village then China has no chance of taking over Taiwan before the US completely destroys the Chinese navy.
@Azz156 So you're trying to tell me that China has the same millitary strategies and weaponry today like it had more than 20 years ago? You're simply kidding now. China today has the weaponry to bring down any navy destroyer or probably even an aircraft carrier (DF-21D), even its air defence system is one of the best in the world. If this is something subjective you're trying to sell me then I'm not surprised.
@ManjuSu no just pointing out the fact China has never won a war so its chances of a successful invasion & annexation of Taiwan would more then likely end in failure.
also I pointed out Vietnam & China since both countries at the time had the same soviet technology & still china got beaten by a country 20 times smaller then it.
@Azz156 I pointed out the scenario just like you did by looking at the technological factors, now; where's your proof to counter it other than subjective statements?
I wonder if you even read my replies to you; technology didn't play a big role for the Chinese defeat against Vietnam; it was the tactics and measures of communication.
@ManjuSu Thats why I said both Vietnam & China had the same level of technology to eliminate it as a factor but it was Chinas inexperience with war that lost it the war with Vietnam and will more then likley be a factor if China ever decided to invade Taiwan
@Azz156 I already mentioned before that technology wasn't the only factor that ensured the victory for Vietnam. If you think technology plays such a big role, then why do you even foolishly believe that China's millitary technology from the 60's and 70's are at the same level as of today? Underestimating comes at a price.
@ManjuSu Another point i want to bring up is chinas human rights abuses like its support for pol pot which riveled the Nazis in untold suffering of millions and also the same for North Korea which i think when it eventually falls we will all find human rights abuses that will go beyond what even the Nazis could do and don't get me started with China. I find it ironic when things are labeled "Peoples Army" etc when in reality there abusing and murdering the people.
@Azz156 Despite what some Westerners can make up about what the situation of the people in China is, most of the people still find that the country's heading in the right direction and there are even more people who believe in the government; not my statements but from PEW research center, you can check the poll for yourself. China has been a federalised and collective society for millenia, so offering up a bit if your personal safety for the greater good isn't considered as a problem.
@ManjuSu not sure what your replying to, but if your trying to justify mass murder because its for the greater good then i think the world is better off without china & its brutal allies.
dont know why you keep saying "us westerners" are making all this stuff up, its fact china supported pol pot & tried to rescue it by invading vietnam & even now china keeps supporting North Korea even though that country is run by a mad man who leaves his people to starve.
@ManjuSu anything that comes from a Chinese government body most people outside of China take with a grain of salt (Not our fault, just that communist countries have a bad habit of lying to prop up the government). Though i don't doubt that most Han Chinese would support China but i highly doubt the Tibetans & the muslims in Xinjiang province would offer any where near the same support.
@Azz156 Anything what comes out from any government on this planet should be taken with a grain of salt. I don't doubt that there are Han-Chinese who are proud of China and neither do I doubt that there are Muslims and Tibetans in China who think the same; maybe you're listening too much from what organisations such as the ICT and WUC and their supporters say.
@ManjuSu maybe you're listening to the PRC too much. also i don't know who the ICT and WUC are. Reason i attack china is because nothing good has come out of that country since the ROC retreated to Taiwan but i do think that one day china will step away from its fucked up past (Mao, North Korea, Pol Pot etc}
@Azz156 ICT (International Campaign for Tibet) and WUC (World Uyghur Congress) are the organisations who "tell" from what's going on in Tibet and Xinjiang; although the things that they say aren't entirely correct. Most Western sources get their information from organisations such as these, that's why I made that assumption and there have come good and bad things out of China as well but you don't want to hear anything good that came out of this country.
@ManjuSu you don't seem to want to admit anything about Chinas short comings like list a few things for me and the other people reading this that isn't progerganda belched out buy the PRC government. From our point of view in the west the PRC brutally oppresses its own people in different ways and props up brutal dictatorships around the east Asian region causing untold suffering to millions of people and stifling economic growth.
@Azz156 You don't seem to want to admit anything about China has done good either and you're even twisting up facts. Yes, this is propaganda.. From your point of view only, something entirely subjective. Western critics can view China in any way they like, but that doesn't mean they view the situation in the right way, they should keep in mind that the majority of the people in China are confident in the way their country is heading. Have you ever taken the Chinese cultural mind into account?
@ManjuSu well tell me anything the PRC has done that has been good for China and the world. I'm not trying to bad mouth chinas history all I'm doing is telling the truth about the PRC.
Tell me what I'm trying to twist, support for Pol Pot FACT, support for North Korea FACT, Massacres during the Cultural Revolution FACT, Invasion & annexation of another country FACT. face it the PRC has ruined your countries image forever.
@ManjuSu thats got to be your laziest attempt to defend the PRC as for what you call "bias" is in fact a well documented FACT. i would ask you to google search them but we all know how filtered chinese internet can be.
@Azz156 Portraying a country as utterly evil is not an art. Besides, the facts you mention do not portray the whole story, you only mention them because it suits your view that China is the so-called worst country in the world. If you want examples you can type in Google: "China green energy" for example, people like you are good at complaining about China's environmental record but you keep avoiding one thing.
@ManjuSu I havent said anything about chinas environmental record since i understand china is still a developing country and will logically cause alot more pollution.
as for the worlds most evil country i dunno, it has done things that most of the world frowns on. my point is china has a long way to go before the rest of us will look at china as a normal country instead of a typical communist country that abuses human rights.
@Azz156 you are clearly influenced by wester medias( CNN,BBC etc) which are trying to portray china as an evil country without freedom and human rights. i will take a further guess that you have never even been to china before. And also, everything mentionned in this clip are facts, you have the right to keep your own opignon on the subject matter, but please do some serious further research about china before you say anything about china's rights and wrongs.
@boyuan1992 Ignoring that these human rights abuses doesn't prove that they didn't happen, so your telling me there wasn't any deaths during the culture revolutions or with pol pot when the chinese government backed him or in the dprk with chinese backing again. your only deluding yourself if you think nothing happened.
@Azz156 im not saying nothing happend , and again the chinese government has already aplogized for the cultrual revolution over 40 YEARS ago.its like if you say that America is evil because of the civil war, Canada is evil for putting firstnations in home schools. We are not ignoring problems, we have either adressed them or we are trying to solve them, i remind you that china is still a country in developpement, which means we have to complete and reinforce our legislations and politic system.
@boyuan1992 the cultural revolution cost the lives of 45 million chinese people, the american civil war, canadas & australias racist whites only policy doesnt even compare to anything near what that monster mao zedong did.
Lets look at the communists human rights USSR killed 22 million of its own people, Pol pot killed 3 million of his own people & north korea let over 3 million of its people starve to death during the 90's. im not saying china is bad its just your government is.
@Azz156 and also, for your information, PRC pulled Korea, Japan Malaysia and several other asian countries out of the asia economic crisis of the 90's generated by AMERICAN stock holders ( including the american government), and even today, if it isnt because of PRC's increasing inner need policy, it would take america atleast 10 more years to recover. there, we saved you. be thankful
@boyuan1992 China didn't rescue us here in Australia it was us that save you with our vase amounts of raw materials and also Australia was one of the few economies in the world that didn't tank hell it helped us and now the aussie dollar is worth more then the US dollar. But still we both owe America for saving us from Japan in WW2 or nether of our countries would exist as they are today if it wasn't for them.
@Azz156 sorry you dont save us with your raw materials because we actually BUY them off your hands. And you know why australian economie didnt tank? 2 of the big australian mining companies raised the price of your raw material onesidedly without negotiating with china, causing some small construction compagnies in china to bankrupt. if you call that saving, then we would rather be saved by someone else who has gratitude. btw, for me, i would rather thank the URSS who actually did more things.
@boyuan1992 lets not get into economics since we all know china artifically keeps its currency low to undermine western economys.
as for the USSR you guys were enemys after the 1960's which lead to the china-vietnam war with the soviets backing vietnam. but as for their contribution during ww2 they helped cause it by helping the nazis invade europe. they only good i can think of for current china is the soviets helped maos rebels back stab the ROK after the japanese were defeated.
@Azz156 btw, if we raise our currency even by a bit, at least 10 million people will lose their job in china, so just think your self lucky china didnt keep our currency lower. honestly, our currency rate is reasonable considering the number of PEOPLE WHO NEEDS JOBS. and undermine western economies? you kidding me? who's america's biggest dept owner? its CHINA, if it wasnt for us, many american people woudnt even have food on their plates
@boyuan1992 so its ok to do that at the expense of jobs in other country's?. every other country in the world adjusts its currency to what its worth so china should be no different
@Azz156 at expense of jobs in other countrys?supposed we raised our currency rate,do you think people from your country would start making shoes and toys and home appliances?no. it doesnt change anything,china has already been acused of artificially controlling thecurrency in the 90s and we indeed raised our currency,and what did it change? nothing.except more people in china losing jobs.the fact is, our countries specialize in different kind of productions,so raising currency is only harming us
@boyuan1992 Don't worry Vietnam is more then eger to take these jobs off the chinese if things get to expensive, still if China wants to be apart of the world it must follow the same rules we all follow or the whole system will eventually break down. What China needs to do is try and focus on a new sector or all that growth you guys are enjoying will stop and China will be doomed to always being a 3rd world country.
@Azz156 incase if you dont know,ever since 2003,PRC has beencreating new policies to change the economic structure and promote a more sustainable developpement. like what the chinese premiere said, the chinese currency is up to us to decide.and about the so called system you said.when the economic crisis started,european countries along with developping countries have been agreeing on changing the economic system centered around the american dollar. this system is already destined to break down
@Azz156 and by the way, thinking that what we did to help the dprk is wrong is also a sign that you have been influenced by western propaganda. the only reason why you think the dprk is bad is because they are developping atomic bombs, why? because in the past 50 years america has threatened non stop to use atomic bombs on north korea ( at least once in the 80's and once recently). the goverment has done nothing bad to other countries or to their own people.
@boyuan1992 no i think north korea is bad because it let over 3 million of its people starve to death, sent to consentration camps & no personal freedoms of their own. i personaly cant wait for the DPRK to fail & rejoin their brothers & sisters in the south. i give kim jong il's regime 10 years at the latest, all thats left is for China to pull the plug on economical support.
your ether a sick person or you seriously beleave the crap the communists blechs out about us "evil westeners"
@Azz156 fisrt of all, please diversify your sources, again, the statistics youve been presenting are also from the propaganda the westeners made. the people who made the research have never even been to china. what are their information based on? rumors and their own judgement. and again, even if the people from korea and china did die, what was the main cause really? its because of america and the ALENA's censorship from the 50's to 70's. which caused the most of the catastrophy
@boyuan1992 fair enough communist countries do tend to make it hard to gather independent sources of information & how can censorship on a different continent on the other side of the planet cause mao to go insane & destroy his own country?.
the answer is no America had no involvement with the cultural revolutions, you have your own government to blame for that.
@Azz156 oh, so mr smart doest now how sensorship works? heard of island chains?. america japan korea and taiwan (WHICH BELONGS TO CHINA)along with their 3 island chains restrains chinese ships from passing the ocean. thats only one part, even today,America, along with their allies are insisting on NOT doing trades with north Korea and also, because of their secorship,no food or ANYTHING can be imported or exported to or from Korea. same thing worked for china40 years ago.so where's humain righs?
@boyuan1992 Never head of inland trading routes? the millions of people that starved to death in the 1960's was because of poor reform & drought. even the chinese leaders at the time said it was 30% drought & 70% man made. As for Taiwan no it doesn't belong to china it was only held as a territory during the Qing Dynasty, after 1911 it was taken over by japan till 1945 in which it was occupied by america by its subordinate occupying power the republic of china (ROK). so technically japan owns it
@Azz156 lol. inland trading routes?haveyou saw the countries surrounding china?mostly are america's allies and URSS'allies and i saidthat america along with the wholeALENA was forbidding trades with china,so its not only a problem oftransportation,but a problem of a group of developped countries bullying a underdeveloppedcountry.and also, after ww2,japanclearly gave backevery piece of land it invaded and taiwan indeed belongs to china.they arealready lucky not being seperated in two like germany
@Azz156 and even the taiwanese accept the fact that there is only one united country called china, ever heard of the 5 agreements? not only we know that there is only one china and taiwan belongs to us, the whole united nations aknowledges it. INCLUDING AUSTRALISA. so you can rest on that
@boyuan1992 I've read alot about that and Taiwan is facing a conundrum, 50% want to be independent & 50% are ok with joining the PRC as a special administrative region, so at the moment Taiwan has nothing to gain ether way so it will proberly stay the way they are now. Still i think your ignoring what im saying, Taiwan was only apart of china for 300 years (Qing Dynasty) before that they have been there own country like Korea & Japan. though Mongolia held china for 100 years so china is Mongolia
@Azz156 yes ive been ignoring what you are saying because you are ignorant about chinese history. taiwan has always been our territory atleast since the Tang dynastie. it has always been a direct Xian from ancient china's Jun Xian sysetem. there is only a gap between the Ming dynastie and the Qing dynastie when the netherlands took taiwan over for 38 years from 1624-1662. also, korea and japan are subordinate countries which is not the same thing as taiwan.
@boyuan1992 You also mentioned the 56 ethic groups so according to you Russia, Korea, Mongolia are also apart of China. but if you include the Mongolian empire then all the middle east & eastern europe are also apart of china according to your logic.
Do some research before you go spouting your PRC propaganda. and while your at it give me some links proving your not full of crap that is fully independent from any form on control of the PRC government.
@boyuan1992 also i looked up the Tang dynasty and Taiwan again wasn't apart of china as well as Tibet, Mongolia & Manchuria. so as far as i can tell your just inventing anecdotal evidence as you go.
@Azz156 also, i dont want to get in chinese history and mongolia and the manchirians. just to tell you china is a multi cultural countrie with 56 ethnic groups. and mongolians are only one of the 56. if it wasnt because of URSS and America who purposed to separate mongolia from china at the time of ROC, mongolia wouldnt even be a country right now. and also, the tomb of genghiskhan is in china, so he is innermongolia. so technically mongolia is china
@boyuan1992 as for trade with north Korea, what good is sanctions if no one imposes them. the DPRK has constantly broken the rules with threating us in the west with nukes, threating to invade South Korea, abducting people from Japan\South Korea, building invasion tunnels to Seoul & lately directly attacking South Korea. Face it Kim Jong Il bought it on himself.
@Azz156 that was a warned attack , DPRK said if the americans and the south koreans passed the boarders with their militairy practices, they will repost back with an attack , too bad the south koreans didnt listen. and threatning you? what a joke, not even one month ago, the president of sourth korea declaired that they will be uniting the north koreans soon, now that was a threat. and abducting people? look at the news of today and you will see that south korea just abducted north koreans.
@boyuan1992 I know the story, the ROK & US navy elegally fired into North Korean waters so you think its justified the DPRK shelled a entire town near the border killing 4 people.
also with North Koreans abducting people like the South Korean director and her husband were secretly taken to the north so they could make Kim Jong Il's own godzilla movie or the Japanese that were taken so North Korea spys could learn there ways to better infiltrate Japan. yeah Kim totally runs a normal country...
@Azz156 look, the incidents you are talking about now are all rumors either aired by SBS or KBS, the north and south are ennemies. its normal that they will do anything to demonize one and another. abducting directors? you kidding me? kim has a country to run. and even if they abducted japanese people it could be understandable because of what the JAPENESE people did to then during ww2. also, it goes both ways, japan and south korea have been secretly abducting north koreans and chinese also
@boyuan1992 i think your refering to the North Korean fishing vessel that drifted into South Korean waters, Seoul did agree to repatriate the ones they actually want to go back, the other 4 dont want to because they will be executed since defecting is a capital offence in the DPRK punishable not only by death but their entire family will be sent to a concentration camp.
@Azz156 lol clearly you dont know about anything thats happening lately, i was refering to the canons that were shot to the island of south korea ,the boat sinking happened way before that and south korea one sidedly accused DPRK of sinking the ship when what really happend is debatable. and no they didn let the 4 go, the only reason why the hostages were kept there is because south korea didnt want to let them go for national security reasons and for propaganda.
@Azz156 and yes, it is indeed hard to gather information from CHINA when you believe that 99 percent of what we say are false an brain washing. at least i can see the same situation on both CNN and CCTV, can you?
@boyuan1992 i try to watch every bit of news so i get the whole picture though i mainly watch al jazeera. so what do you watch? the state run news yeah thats totally not biased towards the PRC
@Azz156 lol even the secretairyof defence of taiwan sais clearly they could only defend for 2 WEEKS MAX, why being so naive?and what you hear is only the american general. do you really think china is going to stay there and wait for america to attack? we are not iraq lol and do you think we need ALL of our navy and air force just for taiwan? just to tell you,wehave 5 militairy sectors,each sector has their own base, navy and air force. it would only take us 1 militairy base to take back taiwan.
@boyuan1992 Your only taking into account the abilitys of the Taiwanese Military. let me give you a history lession, When japan surrendered to the US it agreed in 1950 to give up the extra terratorys it conquered but there was never a agreement to who it was surrendered to. so technically it is still japanese terratory occupied by the principal occupying power (US) which is looked over by the subordinate occupying power (ROC). So because of this Taiwan hasn't been apart of china for 100 years.
@Azz156 lol .let me give you a history lesson instead. when japan surrendered taiwan,first it was surrendered to ROC along with the the three provinces of the north east. however,shortly after the chinese civil war started and the ROC have been defeated and flead to taiwan.and even today ,no matter if it is the ROC or the PRC, we both consider our territory as the whole china.the notion that taiwan is a country appeared not even 20 years ago when li deng hui purposed to separate.china and taiwan
@boyuan1992 Give me evidence that you reckon Taiwan was surrendered to the ROC. Do some research japan never had any form of agreement to who they surrendered Taiwan to. This is how it worked, Japan surrendered, the US Military conquered Taiwan & asked the ROC to take care of the territory as a Subordinate Occupying Power and since America is the Principle Occupying Power Taiwan legally belongs to the US Government as a external territory so yet again Taiwan is not apart of China.
@Azz156 and sorry to wake you up from you little dream, but if china really wanted to take back taiwan, 1 would only take us 2 week MAX. even taiwan's secretairy of defence sais so. here's the link, google translate it if you want
@boyuan1992 not really, Taiwan has a fairly strong military & at the moment it does have to full support of the American military since technically its a external American territory & the ROK is a government in exile.
From what American generals say that if China were to attack Taiwan & America got involved all of the Chinese navy & air force would be defeated & leave both countries with no where to go from there.
@Azz156 Strange; haven't you confirmed before that you're clearly convinced that absolutely nothing comes good out of China? There are alot of people who think like you; and yet, they say it's simply critisizing but portraying a country as outright evil is not critisizing anymore and in this case, you can call it China-bashing. The most important thing is what the people themselves think of their own country and not foreigners.
@ManjuSu I haven't said that, all i've ever said is the PRC Government has forever tarnished Chinas image to the rest of the world & has no right to claim Taiwan as China, Qing Dynasty was never a Chinese empire so it doesnt count.
But as for China itself i have no problem with, so you can go ahead and call me a PRC government basher if u need to.
@Azz156 A tarnished image in your view perhaps but there are many Chinese and non-Chinese who don't hold a tarnished image of China. A tarnished image to the rest of the world? Mostly to the anti-China crowd, but they don't represent the rest of world do they? The Qing assimilated into the mainstream Chinese culture, they were sinified. Every non-Chinese ethnic group who conquered deep into the Han-Chinese heartland underwent the same fate; so how could Taiwan not be Chinese?
@ManjuSu Its a simlar situation here in australia, we still have the Queen as our head of state, over 90% of us are orignally from Britian/Europe but we dont call ourselfs British since we have been so isolated from europe for so long that we have developed into our own independent image much like Taiwan is today.
So my point is even though we all came from the same place doesnt mean we should always be the same country.
@ManjuSu What do you suggest Taiwan does, if it becomes independent China invades, if it stays the way it is now is will be come economically isolated & stagnate or if it joins China as a special administive region there is the potential for a uprising since 50% of the population dont want to be apart of China which also has the potential to cause uprisings in Tibet & Xinjiang province.
@Azz156 Both countries (Taiwan and Mainland China) are being economically interwined with each other and both economies will be even more interwined in the future, which could lead eventually to unification. Whatever the outcome may be, Taiwan won't be independent in the near or far future. It would provoke meaningless casualties for both sides.
EATING BABIES. POLLUTING ENVIRONMENT . SLAUGHTERING INNOCENT PEOPLE. SLAUGHTERING ANIMALS. PRODUCING TOXIC THINGS. SELLING HUMAN ORGANS. ETC ETC..BRAVO CHINA .WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE WITHOUT THESE YELLOW DEMONS. CHINA HAS TO PAY FOR ALL THESE CRIMES. WORLD HATES YOU
You are from Belgium? You don't even have a missile, but China has thousands of long range nuclear warheads. Nuke China? China nukes you to hell !!! Muahahahahahahahahahahahaha ┌∩┐(^_^)┌∩┐
Chinese Pride :) May I ask what the 2nd used song is? And the Beijing Olympics was definitely the best Olympics ever hosted by a country. This will also go for the Shanghai Expo :)
P.S. The US military has had a manned space program since the 60's that is still operating today. If you really think the US would let any country get the upper hand in something so strategic you are a lemming.
Burnz2much 1 month ago
@Burnz2much Look at what usa done to this world ,this parasite robbed the oil and other resources from other countries,never stop invading other countries and messing with others....too many sins made by it...What a facist shithole it is,the same as nazi Germany.dont be arrogant like this cuz u r just a war slave of your facist government,
so ur life is worthless.One day u will die for ur lord on battlefield ,it would be sad!!!
zhengduquan 1 month ago
@zhengduquan Pancake rabbit and purple.
Burnz2much 1 month ago
This video is retarded. First 3 manned space flights in 5 years? First country to make a space station? 3rd to have a man in orbit? <--- What does that all mean?! lolol They are also 1st in having more poor, underpaid helpless people because their government rapes and pillages everyone to pay for these advances china has made. Don't try to make it sound like a nice place to live, I know better. I would rather be poor in the US then well off in that shit hole.
Burnz2much 1 month ago
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@a363361329 I am not Korean or Japanese I deeply hate Chinese, they are the only animals capable of poisoning their own children with melamine milk, they are so loud and their language sounds like ching chang chong, always talking how super power china is. Chinese don't realize they were ruled by Mongols and Manchurians for centuries. :D
jxtsful 3 months ago
THIS VIDEO MAKES ME FCKING PROUD!!
ZTinLi 3 months ago 3
This country has got to be a superpower besides China wants to run the show in the future they have the cabability plus the population to do it, Chinese are very smart they are becoming smarter than americans too.
Dimitri0809 3 months ago
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all people is not equal under the communism china,most of people is so poor,but major communist has so many privilege,car house food etc etc,,,,,,major communist in china just want to keep those privilege,so that why they killed historical amount of their citizen,its typical characteristic of communism,communist kill their against people without any permission necessary,china is perfectly lawless zone,chinese communist party killed historical amount of people for keep major communist`s privilege
77777XYZ 6 months ago
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just go to China to see the real China, dont belive the news from your countries. Chinese are waiting for you. We have happy lives in China. we love China.
fdoca 7 months ago
ROMANIA LOVE CHINA ,FRENDS FOREVER
iovixxx 7 months ago
This video is nothing but bs. China's military is NOT one of the strongest; it's one of the weakest. China can only dream about beating the US, USSR, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, etc..Some countries China might be able to beat would be Ethiopia, Laos, Cambodia. Don't forget...20 brits defeated 600,000,000 chinese and took over HongKong. 20,000 Japs took over the whole country...lol.
why2lie 8 months ago
@why2lie U stupid fool, Do u read?? Per record Sino India war Chinese won in 4 days defeat India King troop captured 10,000 included brigade commender gen. In vetnam, Killed 58.000, injured 300,000 american, In N Korea Chinese LIGHT TROOPS captured 100,000 american and U.N troops, Gen Mcarther lost so much suggested use nuke, then fired
In Korea war. CAF defeat american by 261 vs 332 fighter planes, the only air war USA lost is to China Chinese gurrela syle fighting is most fearsome known
fdoca 7 months ago
@fdoca Where did you get those figures from? In your dreams, maybe? China can't beat anybody except...maybe...Ethiopia or Somalia, or Cambodia....lol.
why2lie 7 months ago
@why2lie You haven't shown any facts to back up your claim, only your sole opinion. China has been rapidly mondernizing its military since 1978 and more than rapid enough to keep the Americans worried. Your description of the PLA would fit the PLA of the 1960's-1970's.
TheBrolit 4 months ago
@fdoca What kinda drugs did you take? Here are the facts: chinese are dumb and poor. chinese are just farmers and cooks. chinese are short and ugly. no body likes chinese...not even the chinese themselves. chinese can't built anything usable....everything built in china is fake. most chinese are gay. chinese lost every war they fought...to vietnam...to japan...to the us...even to Laos. LOL. chinese were treated like animals by the japanese and everyone elses. LOL.
niceguyFTW 6 months ago
@niceguyFTW u r from Thailand, i guess, ur comment show that u really scare of z Chinese.
China has 5,000 years empire, they will dominate the world after 2016 for continious another 500 years, u have no ideal about Chinese speed, do u?
fdoca 6 months ago
@niceguyFTW Those aren't facts, they're just your dumb opinions.
TheBrolit 4 months ago
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01liufeng 4 months ago
@niceguyFTW um okay dude those arent facts go and study china's 6000 years of history.. if they did lose every war then how come they are the 4th largest land mass? if they did lose every war, then there would be no chinese. oh and chinese are just farmers and cooks and are dumb? google China: World's fastest supercomputer.
01liufeng 4 months ago
@why2lie Korea war document youtube vid by american is nothing?
ask any american warplan officers, they quoted " Chinese troops are z crazist and hardest fuckers in z world, they can kick american soldier any time w no sweat.
Underestimate z Chinese, u will die, read & sturdy !! dummy, hope u dare to fight a young chinese on street,
u will get a lessen and answer
fdoca 6 months ago
@fdoca Um, we trained with a few chinese soldiers and koreans, the koreans didnt lose any challenge to the chinese. As far as *kick american soldier*?*.. um we beat their asses, they were all 50-90 lbs lighter then us, A few got thrown into the air. lol Without weapons they stood no chance. You do make up allot of shit in your head don't you. Still makes me ROFL though, keep it up!
Burnz2much 1 month ago
@why2lie u r so scare by the Chinese, check Chinese vid and hide behind screen?
fdoca 6 months ago
@fdoca You chinese
niceguyFTW 6 months ago
@fdoca You chinese can't do shit. LOL.
niceguyFTW 6 months ago
I turned into a flaming homosexual after watching this video.
lukebccb 9 months ago
some facts are wrong...
like bullet trains... not offending anyone i hope lol
4th country to get HSR was spain.
then china
then korea...
and japan has the absolute fastest train in the world with 580 km/hr i think
china do have the largest network of HSRs and they do have the fastest record for unmodified trains. :D
joekwuen 10 months ago
@ManjuSu as far as i know the manchurians always viewed han chinese with disgust and always kept the hans seperate by not allowing han & manchus to inter marry or hans to enter manchuria, if anything Han chinese were the slaves of the qing dynasty.
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 Not always. The Manchus immediately became the minority since the dawn of the Qing empire but neither where the Han-Chinese slaves throughout the history of the Qing dynasty. Nurhaci viewed the Han-Chinese with utter contempt while Huangtaiji had some degree of respect for them. Shunzhi and his succesors viewed the Han-Chinese as one of the most important ethnic groups of the Qing empire and they were the ethnic group that participated the most in government activities.
ManjuSu 10 months ago
look up the Tang dynasty in google and all the maps show Taiwan not being apart of China
Azz156 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 but when Genghis Khan ruled Mongolia it was completely separate from china & he conquered china, the same way as Taiwan was conquered in the Qing Dynasty but i think i forgot to mention the Qing Dynasty was the Manchu Empire which at the time was a foreign country to china. its like India saying Australia is apart of India since we were apart of the same empire at one point. So no Taiwan is its own country & never was apart of any Chinese empire only the Japanese & Manchu empire
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 no im not inventing anecdotes up, it is the true history. if you really have interest in chinese history , dont just spend 5 min on google searching up maps made by foreigners. its the famous 24 shi from china, or just ask any chinese person you know. i know your sources are limited and i sympathise with your lack of knowledge. dont try to argue chinese history with a chinese guy because most of the professors here who has a phd on far east history dont know what they are talking about.
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@Azz156 as i said taiwan was took back by china at the qing dynasty and who did he take it back from? the descendent of zheng cheng gong, the descendant of a chinese general serving the ming dynasty. as i said, the only time when taiwan was not apart of china is the 30 so years when the netherlands took it. your ignoring what im telling you. i think you are also ignoring the fact that you are talking to a chinese person who has gone through history courses in CHINA
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992
Zheng Chenggong born Aug. 28, 1624, Hirado, Japan, died June 23, 1662, Taiwan.
I like debating this with who since I'm learning more but your again wrong, Zheng Chenggong was a Japanese General who fought against the Manchu empire but ultimately was defeated, also he is a celebrated hero of mainland china & of indigenous Taiwanese for defeating the Dutch but is regarded by Taiwanese for keeping Taiwan independent from Manchu Empire/Chinese mainland rule.
Azz156 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 If anything Zheng Chenggong & his sons were fighting the Manchu Empire not helping them take Taiwan and according to you the Manchu Empire (Qing Dynasty) is Chinese so in fact he was fighting to keep them off the island.
Azz156 10 months ago
watch?v=ycBBan9IlnU
boyuan1992 10 months ago
anybody know the song at 8:20?
suzukirider982 11 months ago
CHINA part 1/2
On1y1Ch1na 3 videos CHINA part 1/2
On1y1Ch1na 3 videos
ac3761G 11 months ago
panda！！so cute
lawrencezum 11 months ago
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China, love it or leave it!
david1234lee 1 year ago
Go China, Free the world from evil! ( americans !!! )
Ans azz156 You just live in your own world, Im from Bulgaria, Im neutral , Im not stupid americans, who doesnt know that americans are actually people who come from EUROPE , neither I'm chinese. But most people hate usa, and either have not opinion of China, or a good one. Why? If you get out of your little immaginary world, you'll know, but I doubt you'd do that, You're just affraid of the truth ^^ Stupid americans
TervelBG 1 year ago
@TervelBG I see America as the lesser of 2 evils and we have alot to thank America for or me and our Chinese friend would be living in the Japanese empire and you would be living in the third reich , but then again you and your family were on the other side of the iron curtain so maybe your just feeling abit nostalgic about communism.
I think you didn't read any of my messages or you would know i'm a Australian not American.
Azz156 1 year ago
Bring china back to the top!!!!! azn Pride !!! FUCK USA
Geeeez100 1 year ago
China pride... You military is expected to succeed US's in what 15 years? There is a collective beside the US that will silence any 'advancement' made by your military any day of the week. Enough though of comparing our countries' dick sizes. (Though statically proven, chinese have smaller ones anyways. :P )
badger5000 1 year ago
What's the song that starts at 8:20?
suzukirider982 1 year ago
自豪是正确的，但是千万不要狂妄。当我们开始认为我们是天下第一的时候，认为没有可以从其他国家而学到的，我们在进100年达到的成果就会统统作废。
MeusOrsa 1 year ago
great vid! chinese pride :D
can anyone tell me whats the song at around the 9 minute mark?
eyt19 1 year ago
wait for India. China ain't the only + 1 billion population country.
Maqqie 1 year ago
ok now do a video of the Tiananmen square massacre, china bullying Taiwan, invasion of Tibet, support for North Korea. Makes you wish the roc beat the prc back in the 40's.
Still at least the USA can easily beat china, that 1 million man strong army is kinda useless when the navy & air force is destroyed :P
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 The ROC was as authoritarian like Mao's regime before 1978 and the Tiananmen protests were all hyped up by the media, as usual. China's millitary capability would be more than enough to keep the US at bay.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu im sure the mainland of China can easily defend off any major attack but any attack from China on Taiwan would end in disaster. The US has war gamed a possible attack on Taiwan from China and it all ways ends up with the Chinese airforce and navy destroyed with no where to go from there.
If China wants the worlds respect, withdraw support of North Korea & let Taiwan be its own independent country.
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 And how are you so sure that the American people would be so eager to support another war in a foreign country where they have no buisness? Besides, you're only viewing this possible scenario from one side; you haven't taken any capabilities of the Chinese airforce and navy into account as usual. Taiwan is now economically bound to China, so independence won't have much good impact.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu The only reason Taiwan is becoming so dependent on China is because China is making all other countrys around the world only trade with them.
So for example just say the country i live in Australia started full diplomatic relations with Taiwan China would cut off all relations with Australia. This is just another typical example how China bullys the world into getting what it wants.
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 And how's that? Taiwanese companies invest in China because the opportunities here are huge (ECFA) and also, China is Taiwan's closest neighbor and there are very few cultural differences for Taiwanese investors. You're right that there are very few countries that have estabilished diplomatic relations with Taiwan and none with China. That's how international politics work, you don't have to expect any morality behind it.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu as for the Chinese air force and navy, everyone knows you guys buy mostly soviet era planes, tanks, ships, subs hell even your beloved space program is based on 50 year old soviet technology while the USA, Europe & even Taiwan have more advanced military hardware then China. so i think even if the world leaves Taiwan to be destroyed by China i think Taiwan can hold its own. Maybe even retake the mainland...its fun to dream
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 Either you're not from this century or you simply know nothing about the Chinese millitary, the PLA has assimilated almost all of the technology which they imported from Russia.
1 example is how they succesfully upgraded the flight hours of the Russian AL-31F engine from 900 flight hours to 1500 flight hours which will serve as the new WS-10A engine. Now China is almost nearly sufficient in developing engines which are as good as the Russian ones and soon, even better ones.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu they are still soviet era weapons, israel did the same thing with old ww2 era tanks from america but eventually replaced them with modern ones.
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 Chinese reverse-engineered Soviet weapons and now most of them, if not all are much-upgraded versions of them.
If you're asking how much I'm being paid: it's nothing, I do this volunteeraly. Meaning that I'm not working for the Chinese government.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@Azz156 I don't think the Soviets succeeded in placing their moon-sattelite in a 9.5 mile high-orbit in the 50's or 60's. And so you think that Taiwan can hold its own without help? Even when Chinese short-range BM's are more than capable to devastate almost every millitary airfield on Taiwan?
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu Thats assuming Taiwan doesnt strike first, the 6 day war is a perfect example of this.
by the way how much does the chinese government pay you guys to reply to defend chinas reputation?
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 Now you're stupid enough to compare a war-scenario between Taiwan and China with the 6 day war? Please do some research before you draw a conclusion. Only a few DH-10 missiles would be needed to neutralize the Taiwanese coast defences.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu everyone assumed the same for Israel when it was out numbered 3 to 1 & completely surrounded (but not only won the war but was within 100ks of all their capitals) which is very similar to Taiwans situation right now (maybe out number a little bit more), like if taiwan managed to do a full strike on all chinese missle bases along the coast then i would say they would stand a very good chance defending them selfs.
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 You haven't even compared the Chinese millitary with any of those of the Middle-Eastern belligerents of the Six-Day war so how are you able to predict a Taiwanese victory which is only based on your stereotypes of the PLA? Taiwan doesn't have any short range BM's, supersonic cruise missiles etc. to attack Chinese missile bases, even an air strike wouldn't be sufficient enough. China, on the other hand does.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu havent had a cance to reply back since i started my job but any way.
I base the Taiwanese victory on the fact China will have to launch the largest amphibian invasion in history and to add to that there is a high chance that the US will protect its allie, so not only will china have to deal with the Taiwan strait but also relentless air assaults from the Taiwanese & American air forces and when or if china lands on a beach in Taiwan they will have to deal with the Taiwanese army.
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 Any person who follows the modernization of the PLA on foot knows that Taiwan's millitary options are diminishing, even if it comes for launching air strikes. China right now has 1.300 short-range BM's aimed at Taiwan and if a war ever broke out, it could launch them instanly which would bombard most of the Taiwanese air bases, communication centers etc. and Taiwan neither has upgraded its aging F-16 fleet which forms the backbone of the Taiwanese air force.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu if china fired 1 short range bm then whole world would fall on china like a tonne of bricks, China just needs to face facts its never getting Taiwan.
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 International condemnation and probably even a war, but the whole world wont fall on China like "a tonne of bricks" like you've said. China and its SCO allies would get involved if there will be a war and an attack on Taiwan might result in WW3. So is China never getting Taiwan? Maybe not through millitary means but there are other means as well, for example: the Taiwanese economy is getting more and more integrated into China.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu don't be nieve, if china started a war over Taiwan then i can predict UN peace keeper forces seperating the 2 countries, sanctions and possibly war that China cant win. secondly the only reason Taiwan's economy is failing is because of Chinas one china policy, if any country has relations with Taiwan then China wont trade with them.
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 would be far worser that that, and more countries would get involved on both parties. Taiwan's economy is experiencing high, qualitative growth rates; why do you think I used the word "integrating" in my sentence? You just showed me how much you really know from what's going on in East Asia.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu i looked up Chinas SCO allies and there all poor 3rd world countries & i doubt Russia would come to your rescue. on our side we have Vietnam, India, Australia, New Zealand, America, Japan, Malaysia, South Korea & posibly Russia since you guys never really got along.
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 As I said before: You're viewing this from a black-white-point of view. There are alot of countries-including in thise you've mentioned (including Vietnam, Malaysia and India)-which won't risk a war with China, because they know it would have grave consequences for China, themselves and the world as well. And Russia? Sino-Russian relations have reached an all-time high this year; you probably don't read the news or at least, don't know much about Chinese foreign politics.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu I try to read the news as often as possible and I know how strained relations with Russia can be like the differences between the west & Russia over Georgia and Serbia/Kosovo etc but who will Russia choose in the case of a war, personally i think Russia would remain neutral since it would effect its monopoly with its natural gas & oil trade with Europe. So I think if there ever was a war China would be alone. But then again chances of a war like this are extremely remote.
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 Then you could've said that instead of drawing such a conclusion.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu Lastly Chinas ability to actually win a war has yet to be proven (Korean war doesn't count since technically it never ended) since it got absolutely pummeled by Vietnam while Vietnam wiped out pol pot (chinas allie), so my point is if China cant even defeat a country that shares a land border with China (where china should have the advantage) then what hope does China have to not only launch the largest amphibian invasion in history but actually defeat the modernized military of Taiwan
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 That's because you're viewing this too simplistic, China lost to Vietnam because it's millitary strategies and communications equipment were outdated back in that time while the Vietnamese had their own advantages over PLA forces. Right now, the PLA's Type 63A amphibious tanks already exceed the accurate range of conventional ATGM rounds from Taiwan's modified M48 and M60 tanks which the ROC marines mainly use for amphibian defence, and this is only one example.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu vietnam defeated china using nothing more then local militia (aka farmers from local villages), it never commit one of its actual army devision. my point is not only did Vietnam completely defeat China with nothing more then militia it completely wiped out Chinas only allie in the area Cambodia (pol pot) at the same time. so if China couldnt even defeat farmers defending their village then China has no chance of taking over Taiwan before the US completely destroys the Chinese navy.
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 So you're trying to tell me that China has the same millitary strategies and weaponry today like it had more than 20 years ago? You're simply kidding now. China today has the weaponry to bring down any navy destroyer or probably even an aircraft carrier (DF-21D), even its air defence system is one of the best in the world. If this is something subjective you're trying to sell me then I'm not surprised.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu no just pointing out the fact China has never won a war so its chances of a successful invasion & annexation of Taiwan would more then likely end in failure.
also I pointed out Vietnam & China since both countries at the time had the same soviet technology & still china got beaten by a country 20 times smaller then it.
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 I pointed out the scenario just like you did by looking at the technological factors, now; where's your proof to counter it other than subjective statements?
I wonder if you even read my replies to you; technology didn't play a big role for the Chinese defeat against Vietnam; it was the tactics and measures of communication.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu Thats why I said both Vietnam & China had the same level of technology to eliminate it as a factor but it was Chinas inexperience with war that lost it the war with Vietnam and will more then likley be a factor if China ever decided to invade Taiwan
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 I already mentioned before that technology wasn't the only factor that ensured the victory for Vietnam. If you think technology plays such a big role, then why do you even foolishly believe that China's millitary technology from the 60's and 70's are at the same level as of today? Underestimating comes at a price.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu Another point i want to bring up is chinas human rights abuses like its support for pol pot which riveled the Nazis in untold suffering of millions and also the same for North Korea which i think when it eventually falls we will all find human rights abuses that will go beyond what even the Nazis could do and don't get me started with China. I find it ironic when things are labeled "Peoples Army" etc when in reality there abusing and murdering the people.
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 Despite what some Westerners can make up about what the situation of the people in China is, most of the people still find that the country's heading in the right direction and there are even more people who believe in the government; not my statements but from PEW research center, you can check the poll for yourself. China has been a federalised and collective society for millenia, so offering up a bit if your personal safety for the greater good isn't considered as a problem.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu not sure what your replying to, but if your trying to justify mass murder because its for the greater good then i think the world is better off without china & its brutal allies.
dont know why you keep saying "us westerners" are making all this stuff up, its fact china supported pol pot & tried to rescue it by invading vietnam & even now china keeps supporting North Korea even though that country is run by a mad man who leaves his people to starve.
Azz156 1 year ago
@ManjuSu anything that comes from a Chinese government body most people outside of China take with a grain of salt (Not our fault, just that communist countries have a bad habit of lying to prop up the government). Though i don't doubt that most Han Chinese would support China but i highly doubt the Tibetans & the muslims in Xinjiang province would offer any where near the same support.
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 Anything what comes out from any government on this planet should be taken with a grain of salt. I don't doubt that there are Han-Chinese who are proud of China and neither do I doubt that there are Muslims and Tibetans in China who think the same; maybe you're listening too much from what organisations such as the ICT and WUC and their supporters say.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu maybe you're listening to the PRC too much. also i don't know who the ICT and WUC are. Reason i attack china is because nothing good has come out of that country since the ROC retreated to Taiwan but i do think that one day china will step away from its fucked up past (Mao, North Korea, Pol Pot etc}
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 ICT (International Campaign for Tibet) and WUC (World Uyghur Congress) are the organisations who "tell" from what's going on in Tibet and Xinjiang; although the things that they say aren't entirely correct. Most Western sources get their information from organisations such as these, that's why I made that assumption and there have come good and bad things out of China as well but you don't want to hear anything good that came out of this country.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu you don't seem to want to admit anything about Chinas short comings like list a few things for me and the other people reading this that isn't progerganda belched out buy the PRC government. From our point of view in the west the PRC brutally oppresses its own people in different ways and props up brutal dictatorships around the east Asian region causing untold suffering to millions of people and stifling economic growth.
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 You don't seem to want to admit anything about China has done good either and you're even twisting up facts. Yes, this is propaganda.. From your point of view only, something entirely subjective. Western critics can view China in any way they like, but that doesn't mean they view the situation in the right way, they should keep in mind that the majority of the people in China are confident in the way their country is heading. Have you ever taken the Chinese cultural mind into account?
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu well tell me anything the PRC has done that has been good for China and the world. I'm not trying to bad mouth chinas history all I'm doing is telling the truth about the PRC.
Tell me what I'm trying to twist, support for Pol Pot FACT, support for North Korea FACT, Massacres during the Cultural Revolution FACT, Invasion & annexation of another country FACT. face it the PRC has ruined your countries image forever.
Azz156 1 year ago
@Azz156 Google is at your fingertips, try that first. As for the things you've mentioned; they're not the truth, they're bias.
ManjuSu 11 months ago
@ManjuSu thats got to be your laziest attempt to defend the PRC as for what you call "bias" is in fact a well documented FACT. i would ask you to google search them but we all know how filtered chinese internet can be.
Azz156 11 months ago
@Azz156 Portraying a country as utterly evil is not an art. Besides, the facts you mention do not portray the whole story, you only mention them because it suits your view that China is the so-called worst country in the world. If you want examples you can type in Google: "China green energy" for example, people like you are good at complaining about China's environmental record but you keep avoiding one thing.
ManjuSu 11 months ago
@ManjuSu I havent said anything about chinas environmental record since i understand china is still a developing country and will logically cause alot more pollution.
as for the worlds most evil country i dunno, it has done things that most of the world frowns on. my point is china has a long way to go before the rest of us will look at china as a normal country instead of a typical communist country that abuses human rights.
Azz156 11 months ago
@Azz156 you are clearly influenced by wester medias( CNN,BBC etc) which are trying to portray china as an evil country without freedom and human rights. i will take a further guess that you have never even been to china before. And also, everything mentionned in this clip are facts, you have the right to keep your own opignon on the subject matter, but please do some serious further research about china before you say anything about china's rights and wrongs.
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 Ignoring that these human rights abuses doesn't prove that they didn't happen, so your telling me there wasn't any deaths during the culture revolutions or with pol pot when the chinese government backed him or in the dprk with chinese backing again. your only deluding yourself if you think nothing happened.
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 im not saying nothing happend , and again the chinese government has already aplogized for the cultrual revolution over 40 YEARS ago.its like if you say that America is evil because of the civil war, Canada is evil for putting firstnations in home schools. We are not ignoring problems, we have either adressed them or we are trying to solve them, i remind you that china is still a country in developpement, which means we have to complete and reinforce our legislations and politic system.
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 the cultural revolution cost the lives of 45 million chinese people, the american civil war, canadas & australias racist whites only policy doesnt even compare to anything near what that monster mao zedong did.
Lets look at the communists human rights USSR killed 22 million of its own people, Pol pot killed 3 million of his own people & north korea let over 3 million of its people starve to death during the 90's. im not saying china is bad its just your government is.
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 and also, for your information, PRC pulled Korea, Japan Malaysia and several other asian countries out of the asia economic crisis of the 90's generated by AMERICAN stock holders ( including the american government), and even today, if it isnt because of PRC's increasing inner need policy, it would take america atleast 10 more years to recover. there, we saved you. be thankful
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 China didn't rescue us here in Australia it was us that save you with our vase amounts of raw materials and also Australia was one of the few economies in the world that didn't tank hell it helped us and now the aussie dollar is worth more then the US dollar. But still we both owe America for saving us from Japan in WW2 or nether of our countries would exist as they are today if it wasn't for them.
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 sorry you dont save us with your raw materials because we actually BUY them off your hands. And you know why australian economie didnt tank? 2 of the big australian mining companies raised the price of your raw material onesidedly without negotiating with china, causing some small construction compagnies in china to bankrupt. if you call that saving, then we would rather be saved by someone else who has gratitude. btw, for me, i would rather thank the URSS who actually did more things.
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 lets not get into economics since we all know china artifically keeps its currency low to undermine western economys.
as for the USSR you guys were enemys after the 1960's which lead to the china-vietnam war with the soviets backing vietnam. but as for their contribution during ww2 they helped cause it by helping the nazis invade europe. they only good i can think of for current china is the soviets helped maos rebels back stab the ROK after the japanese were defeated.
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 btw, if we raise our currency even by a bit, at least 10 million people will lose their job in china, so just think your self lucky china didnt keep our currency lower. honestly, our currency rate is reasonable considering the number of PEOPLE WHO NEEDS JOBS. and undermine western economies? you kidding me? who's america's biggest dept owner? its CHINA, if it wasnt for us, many american people woudnt even have food on their plates
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 so its ok to do that at the expense of jobs in other country's?. every other country in the world adjusts its currency to what its worth so china should be no different
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 at expense of jobs in other countrys?supposed we raised our currency rate,do you think people from your country would start making shoes and toys and home appliances?no. it doesnt change anything,china has already been acused of artificially controlling thecurrency in the 90s and we indeed raised our currency,and what did it change? nothing.except more people in china losing jobs.the fact is, our countries specialize in different kind of productions,so raising currency is only harming us
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 Don't worry Vietnam is more then eger to take these jobs off the chinese if things get to expensive, still if China wants to be apart of the world it must follow the same rules we all follow or the whole system will eventually break down. What China needs to do is try and focus on a new sector or all that growth you guys are enjoying will stop and China will be doomed to always being a 3rd world country.
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 incase if you dont know,ever since 2003,PRC has beencreating new policies to change the economic structure and promote a more sustainable developpement. like what the chinese premiere said, the chinese currency is up to us to decide.and about the so called system you said.when the economic crisis started,european countries along with developping countries have been agreeing on changing the economic system centered around the american dollar. this system is already destined to break down
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@Azz156 and by the way, thinking that what we did to help the dprk is wrong is also a sign that you have been influenced by western propaganda. the only reason why you think the dprk is bad is because they are developping atomic bombs, why? because in the past 50 years america has threatened non stop to use atomic bombs on north korea ( at least once in the 80's and once recently). the goverment has done nothing bad to other countries or to their own people.
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 no i think north korea is bad because it let over 3 million of its people starve to death, sent to consentration camps & no personal freedoms of their own. i personaly cant wait for the DPRK to fail & rejoin their brothers & sisters in the south. i give kim jong il's regime 10 years at the latest, all thats left is for China to pull the plug on economical support.
your ether a sick person or you seriously beleave the crap the communists blechs out about us "evil westeners"
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 fisrt of all, please diversify your sources, again, the statistics youve been presenting are also from the propaganda the westeners made. the people who made the research have never even been to china. what are their information based on? rumors and their own judgement. and again, even if the people from korea and china did die, what was the main cause really? its because of america and the ALENA's censorship from the 50's to 70's. which caused the most of the catastrophy
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 fair enough communist countries do tend to make it hard to gather independent sources of information & how can censorship on a different continent on the other side of the planet cause mao to go insane & destroy his own country?.
the answer is no America had no involvement with the cultural revolutions, you have your own government to blame for that.
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 oh, so mr smart doest now how sensorship works? heard of island chains?. america japan korea and taiwan (WHICH BELONGS TO CHINA)along with their 3 island chains restrains chinese ships from passing the ocean. thats only one part, even today,America, along with their allies are insisting on NOT doing trades with north Korea and also, because of their secorship,no food or ANYTHING can be imported or exported to or from Korea. same thing worked for china40 years ago.so where's humain righs?
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 Never head of inland trading routes? the millions of people that starved to death in the 1960's was because of poor reform & drought. even the chinese leaders at the time said it was 30% drought & 70% man made. As for Taiwan no it doesn't belong to china it was only held as a territory during the Qing Dynasty, after 1911 it was taken over by japan till 1945 in which it was occupied by america by its subordinate occupying power the republic of china (ROK). so technically japan owns it
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 lol. inland trading routes?haveyou saw the countries surrounding china?mostly are america's allies and URSS'allies and i saidthat america along with the wholeALENA was forbidding trades with china,so its not only a problem oftransportation,but a problem of a group of developped countries bullying a underdeveloppedcountry.and also, after ww2,japanclearly gave backevery piece of land it invaded and taiwan indeed belongs to china.they arealready lucky not being seperated in two like germany
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@Azz156 and even the taiwanese accept the fact that there is only one united country called china, ever heard of the 5 agreements? not only we know that there is only one china and taiwan belongs to us, the whole united nations aknowledges it. INCLUDING AUSTRALISA. so you can rest on that
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 I've read alot about that and Taiwan is facing a conundrum, 50% want to be independent & 50% are ok with joining the PRC as a special administrative region, so at the moment Taiwan has nothing to gain ether way so it will proberly stay the way they are now. Still i think your ignoring what im saying, Taiwan was only apart of china for 300 years (Qing Dynasty) before that they have been there own country like Korea & Japan. though Mongolia held china for 100 years so china is Mongolia
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 yes ive been ignoring what you are saying because you are ignorant about chinese history. taiwan has always been our territory atleast since the Tang dynastie. it has always been a direct Xian from ancient china's Jun Xian sysetem. there is only a gap between the Ming dynastie and the Qing dynastie when the netherlands took taiwan over for 38 years from 1624-1662. also, korea and japan are subordinate countries which is not the same thing as taiwan.
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 You also mentioned the 56 ethic groups so according to you Russia, Korea, Mongolia are also apart of China. but if you include the Mongolian empire then all the middle east & eastern europe are also apart of china according to your logic.
Do some research before you go spouting your PRC propaganda. and while your at it give me some links proving your not full of crap that is fully independent from any form on control of the PRC government.
Azz156 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 also i looked up the Tang dynasty and Taiwan again wasn't apart of china as well as Tibet, Mongolia & Manchuria. so as far as i can tell your just inventing anecdotal evidence as you go.
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 also, i dont want to get in chinese history and mongolia and the manchirians. just to tell you china is a multi cultural countrie with 56 ethnic groups. and mongolians are only one of the 56. if it wasnt because of URSS and America who purposed to separate mongolia from china at the time of ROC, mongolia wouldnt even be a country right now. and also, the tomb of genghiskhan is in china, so he is innermongolia. so technically mongolia is china
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 as for trade with north Korea, what good is sanctions if no one imposes them. the DPRK has constantly broken the rules with threating us in the west with nukes, threating to invade South Korea, abducting people from Japan\South Korea, building invasion tunnels to Seoul & lately directly attacking South Korea. Face it Kim Jong Il bought it on himself.
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 that was a warned attack , DPRK said if the americans and the south koreans passed the boarders with their militairy practices, they will repost back with an attack , too bad the south koreans didnt listen. and threatning you? what a joke, not even one month ago, the president of sourth korea declaired that they will be uniting the north koreans soon, now that was a threat. and abducting people? look at the news of today and you will see that south korea just abducted north koreans.
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 I know the story, the ROK & US navy elegally fired into North Korean waters so you think its justified the DPRK shelled a entire town near the border killing 4 people.
also with North Koreans abducting people like the South Korean director and her husband were secretly taken to the north so they could make Kim Jong Il's own godzilla movie or the Japanese that were taken so North Korea spys could learn there ways to better infiltrate Japan. yeah Kim totally runs a normal country...
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 look, the incidents you are talking about now are all rumors either aired by SBS or KBS, the north and south are ennemies. its normal that they will do anything to demonize one and another. abducting directors? you kidding me? kim has a country to run. and even if they abducted japanese people it could be understandable because of what the JAPENESE people did to then during ww2. also, it goes both ways, japan and south korea have been secretly abducting north koreans and chinese also
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@Azz156 dont be so superficial, everything DPRK does applies to south korea also, it goes both ways.
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 i think your refering to the North Korean fishing vessel that drifted into South Korean waters, Seoul did agree to repatriate the ones they actually want to go back, the other 4 dont want to because they will be executed since defecting is a capital offence in the DPRK punishable not only by death but their entire family will be sent to a concentration camp.
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 lol clearly you dont know about anything thats happening lately, i was refering to the canons that were shot to the island of south korea ,the boat sinking happened way before that and south korea one sidedly accused DPRK of sinking the ship when what really happend is debatable. and no they didn let the 4 go, the only reason why the hostages were kept there is because south korea didnt want to let them go for national security reasons and for propaganda.
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@Azz156 and yes, it is indeed hard to gather information from CHINA when you believe that 99 percent of what we say are false an brain washing. at least i can see the same situation on both CNN and CCTV, can you?
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 i try to watch every bit of news so i get the whole picture though i mainly watch al jazeera. so what do you watch? the state run news yeah thats totally not biased towards the PRC
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 lol even the secretairyof defence of taiwan sais clearly they could only defend for 2 WEEKS MAX, why being so naive?and what you hear is only the american general. do you really think china is going to stay there and wait for america to attack? we are not iraq lol and do you think we need ALL of our navy and air force just for taiwan? just to tell you,wehave 5 militairy sectors,each sector has their own base, navy and air force. it would only take us 1 militairy base to take back taiwan.
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 Your only taking into account the abilitys of the Taiwanese Military. let me give you a history lession, When japan surrendered to the US it agreed in 1950 to give up the extra terratorys it conquered but there was never a agreement to who it was surrendered to. so technically it is still japanese terratory occupied by the principal occupying power (US) which is looked over by the subordinate occupying power (ROC). So because of this Taiwan hasn't been apart of china for 100 years.
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 lol .let me give you a history lesson instead. when japan surrendered taiwan,first it was surrendered to ROC along with the the three provinces of the north east. however,shortly after the chinese civil war started and the ROC have been defeated and flead to taiwan.and even today ,no matter if it is the ROC or the PRC, we both consider our territory as the whole china.the notion that taiwan is a country appeared not even 20 years ago when li deng hui purposed to separate.china and taiwan
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 Give me evidence that you reckon Taiwan was surrendered to the ROC. Do some research japan never had any form of agreement to who they surrendered Taiwan to. This is how it worked, Japan surrendered, the US Military conquered Taiwan & asked the ROC to take care of the territory as a Subordinate Occupying Power and since America is the Principle Occupying Power Taiwan legally belongs to the US Government as a external territory so yet again Taiwan is not apart of China.
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 and sorry to wake you up from you little dream, but if china really wanted to take back taiwan, 1 would only take us 2 week MAX. even taiwan's secretairy of defence sais so. here's the link, google translate it if you want
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@boyuan1992 not really, Taiwan has a fairly strong military & at the moment it does have to full support of the American military since technically its a external American territory & the ROK is a government in exile.
From what American generals say that if China were to attack Taiwan & America got involved all of the Chinese navy & air force would be defeated & leave both countries with no where to go from there.
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 actually,to diversify my information i watch cctv, cnn, cbc, abc, fox news and even NTDTV. im sure youll like the last one lol.
boyuan1992 10 months ago
@Azz156 Strange; haven't you confirmed before that you're clearly convinced that absolutely nothing comes good out of China? There are alot of people who think like you; and yet, they say it's simply critisizing but portraying a country as outright evil is not critisizing anymore and in this case, you can call it China-bashing. The most important thing is what the people themselves think of their own country and not foreigners.
ManjuSu 10 months ago
@ManjuSu I haven't said that, all i've ever said is the PRC Government has forever tarnished Chinas image to the rest of the world & has no right to claim Taiwan as China, Qing Dynasty was never a Chinese empire so it doesnt count.
But as for China itself i have no problem with, so you can go ahead and call me a PRC government basher if u need to.
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 A tarnished image in your view perhaps but there are many Chinese and non-Chinese who don't hold a tarnished image of China. A tarnished image to the rest of the world? Mostly to the anti-China crowd, but they don't represent the rest of world do they? The Qing assimilated into the mainstream Chinese culture, they were sinified. Every non-Chinese ethnic group who conquered deep into the Han-Chinese heartland underwent the same fate; so how could Taiwan not be Chinese?
ManjuSu 10 months ago
@ManjuSu Its a simlar situation here in australia, we still have the Queen as our head of state, over 90% of us are orignally from Britian/Europe but we dont call ourselfs British since we have been so isolated from europe for so long that we have developed into our own independent image much like Taiwan is today.
So my point is even though we all came from the same place doesnt mean we should always be the same country.
Azz156 10 months ago
@ManjuSu What do you suggest Taiwan does, if it becomes independent China invades, if it stays the way it is now is will be come economically isolated & stagnate or if it joins China as a special administive region there is the potential for a uprising since 50% of the population dont want to be apart of China which also has the potential to cause uprisings in Tibet & Xinjiang province.
Azz156 10 months ago
@Azz156 Both countries (Taiwan and Mainland China) are being economically interwined with each other and both economies will be even more interwined in the future, which could lead eventually to unification. Whatever the outcome may be, Taiwan won't be independent in the near or far future. It would provoke meaningless casualties for both sides.
ManjuSu 10 months ago
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Azz156 1 year ago
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Azz156 1 year ago
why was the world map on partly covered in red?
kosmonaut5 1 year ago
请问第一和第二首歌叫什么名字,要中文的
maomao667 1 year ago
I love China.. we have to learn from you guys lol
TheFreekickGods 1 year ago
EATING BABIES. POLLUTING ENVIRONMENT . SLAUGHTERING INNOCENT PEOPLE. SLAUGHTERING ANIMALS. PRODUCING TOXIC THINGS. SELLING HUMAN ORGANS. ETC ETC..BRAVO CHINA .WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE WITHOUT THESE YELLOW DEMONS. CHINA HAS TO PAY FOR ALL THESE CRIMES. WORLD HATES YOU
trapgyal1 1 year ago
WAIT TILL WE NUKE YOU DOWN YELLOW DEMONS
trapgyal1 1 year ago
@trapgyal1
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
You are from Belgium? You don't even have a missile, but China has thousands of long range nuclear warheads. Nuke China? China nukes you to hell !!! Muahahahahahahahahahahahaha ┌∩┐(^_^)┌∩┐
maomao667 1 year ago
BARBARIAN CULTURE
trapgyal1 1 year ago
CHINA SHOULD BE PUNISHED HARD FOR THEIR CRIMES ... LIKE THE EVERY OTHER CRIMINALS.FUKIN PIGS
trapgyal1 1 year ago
我觉得 中国几千年历史留给我们最宝贵的东西不是 服装,饮食或者文化,艺术.
而是思想和经验. 我们经历过所有它国所经历或未经历的事情,原史,奴隶,封建的演变,人民的反抗,外族的入侵,新旧思想文化的冲击. 各种改革的尝试,个种发展的过程.
正是我们中国民族几千年来的思想和经验的基累,让我们渡过了一个又一个难关.
我们完全没有必要像某些小国一样,把(不知道从哪盗来的)"文化"大伺的喧传. 当然他们除了那些荒谬似小丑一般的服装和非人类生物能接受的饮食,也没有什么可宣传的.
好的,实用的,我们要传程下去. 过时的,淘汰的,我们要记录下来. 我们的民族就会如此常存下去.
baijx1382 1 year ago
Long live China!!!
Love from Pakistan! :-)
adilabbas2005 1 year ago
Makes me very proud to be chinese..awesome creation ( *_* )
ChinaGirl903 1 year ago
@ChinaGirl903
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On1y1Ch1na 1 year ago 2
@On1y1Ch1na - Chinese pride :)
ChinaGirl903 1 year ago
FOR A BETTER CHINA FOR A BETTER LIFE FOR ALL CHINESE!!!
Geeeez100 1 year ago
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天上天下唯我独尊,
大汉民族百战百胜.
Shaolinkungfucat 1 year ago
恩......支持自己的祖国!
baboonxf 1 year ago
Chinese Pride :) May I ask what the 2nd used song is? And the Beijing Olympics was definitely the best Olympics ever hosted by a country. This will also go for the Shanghai Expo :)
FarewelI 1 year ago
Qin Gang is a sex addict.
weijintao 1 year ago
whats the second song?
ericown 1 year ago
@ericown
its called "myself"
by junjun... hes from jiangsu province, china
On1y1Ch1na 1 year ago
Best olimpycs? according to who? the chinese? to the world the best olimpycs were Sidney 2000.
leoperagalo 1 year ago
why cant hu jintao run for re election?? is the president of china more stronger and powerful then primer??
rynocowboys2003 1 year ago
@rynocowboys2003
?... presidents term is 10 years
On1y1Ch1na 1 year ago
@rynocowboys2003 not 10 consecutive years... 5 years, and president can be re-elected for another 5 years.
On1y1Ch1na 1 year ago