1. Among many of "Top 10 military blah blah" lists, simply ignore those made by Chinese communists.
2. If you see videos carrying a message like "We are the victims of WW2 and a-bombs. War crimes and atrocities committed all over Asia by our grandfathers are all lies, fakes or exaggerated. We are such peace-loving humanitarians", try to look for Germans who would argue the same way.
3. Ignore Westerners who have long been bankrupt but still try to teach others.
I think the best submarine in europe is akula III class the K-335 Gepard, that sub is fast, silent and big, carry lot of weapons, and can dive to a depth! but i also like the virginia class and the loa angeles class and the british submarine classes.
you've made a grave mistake in rating these submarines on complement, test depth, speed and armament. Its the combat and propulsion systems that set apart submarines, the virginia is arguably the best in the world but the los angeles would be a close second
@8497289 Actually, the Astute would be number 1...Trafalgar would be number 2, then Seawolf at number 3, Virginia at number 4...you might make a case for Los Angeles at number 5. Virginia is a downgraded Seawolf, and Astute is the only state of the art brand new sub here.
@samuraikensai Saying Astute is 1 is one thing, but Trafalgar at 2? You may as well say "Ignore me, I'm biased as hell"...
When the UK ran into a brick wall with designing and building the Astute who did they call? General Dynamics Electric Boat the same company behind the Virginia and Seawolf submarines. They are the best in the business. BAE Systems knows this.
And what's this about the Astute is the only brand new sub? Virginia came out the same exact time.
@OlderG0ds Trafalgar class are VERY advanced subs, with a similar level of equipment to the Astute since their upgrade...). Astute is a brand new boat, whereas Virginia is just a downgraded Seawolf... Therefore, Virginia is not brand new...it's an alteration of another design... General Dynamics are excellent, but they're not better than our guys... It's just that sometimes you need a fresh set of eyes to look at a problem.
@samuraikensai The most advanced and powerful sub is the Seawolf Class followed by Virgina and Astute. Trafalgar is not as advanced and capable as Los Angeles Class.
The US NAVY had the perfect trio with Los Angeles-Seawolf-Virginia.
The Astute Class which was already two years late could not have been created without the vital engineering and technical support provided by the Electric Boat division.
@sidewinder188 Seawolf could be argued to be almost as good as Astute, but Virginia is a joke compared to Astute...typical Yank bias! Trafalgar is newer and far more advanced than the aging Los Angeles class. Trafalgar is 5 years newer than Los Angeles, and has just had a refit with the same level of systems as the Astute. You're talking bullshit mate... Try not to do it again. The Electric Boat division helped, but then BAE makes shit for America all the time!
@samuraikensai you no nothing about subs. If you had a brain you would know the Virginia class is better then the sea wolf and the astute is on the same level as the Virginia. And the UK needed the company that builds the Virginia class to help them with the astute class.
@nick74178ify You're an idiot...Virginia is a downgraded Sea Wolf. Just because it's newer, doesn't make it better. Dumbass. The whole point was that Sea Wolf was too expensive... Astute is the only brand new sub out of the three, and it's capabilities (the ones we know), make Virginia look like a joke...
@samuraikensai btw its your.... not you're idiot learn to spell. And jack ass watch some videos about the Virginia class they will even tell you its more advanced also look up submarine noise level you will see the Virginia class is quieter then seawolf,jack ass your such a idiot. And the astute got its ass kicked by the uss new mexico in training in February 2012. Fuck check you facts dumb ass.
@nick74178ify No, it's 'you're'...an abbreviation of 'you are'. Wow, you're a complete fucking retard... I seriously can't believe that you're 30...if you are, you must be in some kind of special care home for the mentally ill. It's funny, because the US commanders called them the 'greatest warships in the world', and the Astute crew were very pleased with their performance. There is no record available to the public about who 'won'.
HAH you really need to learn how to spell little kid and no commander said its the best you fuck tard holy shit i really feel bad i don't know why your parents didn't abort you it would have been so much better. And a quote from one of the headlines.New Mexico’s sonar division, said his division was responsible for finding, mapping and tracking the Astute. Deline said he was extremely satisfied with the performance of New Mexico. Lets not forget the astute reactor cant use passive cooling.
@nick74178ify Wow, your delusions know no bounds... It's YOU who can't spell, and seem to have some trouble with grammar too! What you wrote itsn't a quote...for a start, it's grammatically crap. After the trials, Commander Breckenridge said (of HMS Astute): "We met and surpassed every expectation. She is just better than any other submarine I have ever been on." And, ALL of our nuclear subs utilise passive cooling...dumb fucking troll.
Im having such a good laugh at how stupid you are and yes it was a quote that was said by a 3rd class sonar operator on the new mexico good job jackass you just made your self look so stupid. If you could read you would know both submarine commanders where going on both boats to see the way the crew performed, Commander Beckenridge was on the new mexico to, Please turn on your spell check for fuck sake.
@nick74178ify I already said that Commander Breckenridge (yep, not 'Beckenridge') went on both boats...and then he said that Astute is the best... What is your IQ? I'm guessing it's only in double digits... A quote shows who made the statement...you didn't. Not to mention, he only said what his job was...he never said he was successful in it. Astute detected New Mexico at extreme range...you lose. BTW, it's 'yourself', 'too' and 'for fuck's sake'. How did you even graduate?
Holy shit you are fucking stupid are you still in the 3rd grade The astute uses a reactor that cant run passive cooling its nuclear coolant pumps need to be on at all times unlike u.s. subs that can run with their pumps off, If you had a brain you would know a coolant pumps is the main cause of noise on a nuclear sub, The uk had to get the u.s. help them build a pwr-3 that is based on a s9g. fuck your so stupid. And the sonar operator on new mexico said he was VERY SATISFIED with he new mexico
please check you grammar you missing a lot of commas and semicolons shit are you home schooled. And again shit for brains their is no information on the hms astute tracking the new mexico at extreme range, fact their is no confirmed range of either sub tracking each other just that both crews said they where satisfied with the performance, Please stop making shit up.
what he meant was astute is the best, before he commanded a old desiel sub. Here is what he said.
Commader Breckenridge, whose first submarine was diesel-powered HMS Olympus, basically a redesign of Second World War technology, He was referring to subs that he had control with, Plus how could you say its better then the mexico he didn't command such a ship only go to see how the crew performed. And no i know you lying the astute never picked up new mexico at extreme range.
Maybe you should red with your eyes open, Commander Breckenridge was never on the uss new mexico your getting confused with Admiral Sir Mark Stanhope who was on both subs. Just like Admiral Jonathan W. Greenert u.s. navy was on both boats but the new mexico Commander George Perez was only on his ship. The 2 admirals where on the 2 boats not the commanders of the sub they stayed on their own boat. So Breckenridge said astute is the best he has ever been on, he was never on the uss new mexico.
@nick74178ify You have a lot of nerve telling him he doesn't know how to spell when half the shit you're (YOU ARE) typing has some kind of spelling/grammatical errors... like the fact that you insist on that you are using 'your' properly....
This one drives me insane, and it’s become extremely common among bloggers. All it takes to avoid this error is to take a second and think about what you’re trying to say.
“Your” is a possessive pronoun, as in “your car” or “your blog.” “You’re” is a contraction for “you are,” as in “you’re screwing up your writing by using your when you really mean you are.”
@nick74178ify The US Navy said that the best competition around is the Astute class... They were blown away by it's capabilities. You're one dumb fucker...a dumb fucker who can't spell, and can't check facts. Fucking twat...
@nick74178ify Seawolf was intended to be the very best attack submarine America could produce... Virginia is just a budget version of Seawolf. You need to look up facts and history...
I usually do not comment on these things but I just could not sit back and say nothing. The Akula? Really? These things are ill maintained hunks of junk, although they are throw backs from the same era as that of the 681 Los Angelas class, the 681's have constantly been upgraded with major overhauls. I noticed that you threw in the Seawolf class, but not the Jimmy Carter as they are vastly different.
Yes there is only one Jimmy Carter but there are only a couple Seawolfs. Although the Virginia class came after the Seawolf let it be understood that Seawolf is superior. The Seawolf was a testbed using all of the best known technologies. The Virginia was a sensible mass production of the Seawolf.
im suprised the alfa class submarine didnt make it on the list. sure theres none left, but they had a comparible test depth, carried torpedos, cruise missles, and mines, and still has the highest speed of any attack submarine of 43 knots.
The Akula 2's are very impressive boats but to place them above what is even now the most sophisitcated piece of military hardware in the world ( SEAWOLF) or to place it above the Astute, a more modern and more advanced class in everyway is just wrong, i know its this guys personal opinion, but arrghhh it irks man lol!
Your top is kind of funny. To list Virginia, which is a scaled-down, cheaper version of the Seawolf above Seawolf itself denotes a serious lack of documentation.
USS Florida, SSGN-728. USS Ohio, SSGN-726. USS Michigan, SSGN-727. USS Georgia, SSGN-729 154 Tomahawk Missiles. Either a combined munitions package or a 200kT nuclear warhead. Ohio Class. Ever heard of it?
They say that their subs go undetected.. True. But due to that one British and one French sub collided in the middle of the atlantic. Both were nuclear. HMS Vanguard and Le Triomphant.
Yes i mean that both were unaware of the other. The collision came to daylight much after the actual thing for the navies itself. That's another story.
Those subs can really go undetected. What they are - of course - meant to do.
sudmarine russia obsolete
mercenairer 2 days ago
How come Typhoon Class wasnt on there?
TheSniperman45 1 week ago
@TheSniperman45 Typhoon isn't a nuclear attack submarine, it's a ballistic missile submarine...more like Ohio class or Vanguard class subs.
samuraikensai 1 week ago
Three things I learned on YouTube:
1. Among many of "Top 10 military blah blah" lists, simply ignore those made by Chinese communists.
2. If you see videos carrying a message like "We are the victims of WW2 and a-bombs. War crimes and atrocities committed all over Asia by our grandfathers are all lies, fakes or exaggerated. We are such peace-loving humanitarians", try to look for Germans who would argue the same way.
3. Ignore Westerners who have long been bankrupt but still try to teach others.
youngk9lover 1 week ago
The Brits only have american made subs... France has probably the best though
fra2603 2 weeks ago
@fra2603 In what universe does the Royal Navy have American submarines?
jeavjuaf 1 week ago
One must remember that there are only two kinds of ship, 1. Submarines and 2. Targets.
OldSaltyChief 2 weeks ago 3
I think the best submarine in europe is akula III class the K-335 Gepard, that sub is fast, silent and big, carry lot of weapons, and can dive to a depth! but i also like the virginia class and the loa angeles class and the british submarine classes.
komivesors 1 month ago
you've made a grave mistake in rating these submarines on complement, test depth, speed and armament. Its the combat and propulsion systems that set apart submarines, the virginia is arguably the best in the world but the los angeles would be a close second
8497289 1 month ago
@8497289 Actually, the Astute would be number 1...Trafalgar would be number 2, then Seawolf at number 3, Virginia at number 4...you might make a case for Los Angeles at number 5. Virginia is a downgraded Seawolf, and Astute is the only state of the art brand new sub here.
samuraikensai 1 month ago
@samuraikensai Saying Astute is 1 is one thing, but Trafalgar at 2? You may as well say "Ignore me, I'm biased as hell"...
When the UK ran into a brick wall with designing and building the Astute who did they call? General Dynamics Electric Boat the same company behind the Virginia and Seawolf submarines. They are the best in the business. BAE Systems knows this.
And what's this about the Astute is the only brand new sub? Virginia came out the same exact time.
OlderG0ds 1 month ago
@OlderG0ds Trafalgar class are VERY advanced subs, with a similar level of equipment to the Astute since their upgrade...). Astute is a brand new boat, whereas Virginia is just a downgraded Seawolf... Therefore, Virginia is not brand new...it's an alteration of another design... General Dynamics are excellent, but they're not better than our guys... It's just that sometimes you need a fresh set of eyes to look at a problem.
samuraikensai 1 month ago
@samuraikensai The most advanced and powerful sub is the Seawolf Class followed by Virgina and Astute. Trafalgar is not as advanced and capable as Los Angeles Class.
The US NAVY had the perfect trio with Los Angeles-Seawolf-Virginia.
The Astute Class which was already two years late could not have been created without the vital engineering and technical support provided by the Electric Boat division.
sidewinder188 1 month ago
@sidewinder188 Seawolf could be argued to be almost as good as Astute, but Virginia is a joke compared to Astute...typical Yank bias! Trafalgar is newer and far more advanced than the aging Los Angeles class. Trafalgar is 5 years newer than Los Angeles, and has just had a refit with the same level of systems as the Astute. You're talking bullshit mate... Try not to do it again. The Electric Boat division helped, but then BAE makes shit for America all the time!
samuraikensai 1 month ago
@samuraikensai you no nothing about subs. If you had a brain you would know the Virginia class is better then the sea wolf and the astute is on the same level as the Virginia. And the UK needed the company that builds the Virginia class to help them with the astute class.
nick74178ify 1 week ago
@nick74178ify You're an idiot...Virginia is a downgraded Sea Wolf. Just because it's newer, doesn't make it better. Dumbass. The whole point was that Sea Wolf was too expensive... Astute is the only brand new sub out of the three, and it's capabilities (the ones we know), make Virginia look like a joke...
samuraikensai 1 week ago
@samuraikensai btw its your.... not you're idiot learn to spell. And jack ass watch some videos about the Virginia class they will even tell you its more advanced also look up submarine noise level you will see the Virginia class is quieter then seawolf,jack ass your such a idiot. And the astute got its ass kicked by the uss new mexico in training in February 2012. Fuck check you facts dumb ass.
nick74178ify 1 week ago
@nick74178ify No, it's 'you're'...an abbreviation of 'you are'. Wow, you're a complete fucking retard... I seriously can't believe that you're 30...if you are, you must be in some kind of special care home for the mentally ill. It's funny, because the US commanders called them the 'greatest warships in the world', and the Astute crew were very pleased with their performance. There is no record available to the public about who 'won'.
samuraikensai 1 week ago
HAH you really need to learn how to spell little kid and no commander said its the best you fuck tard holy shit i really feel bad i don't know why your parents didn't abort you it would have been so much better. And a quote from one of the headlines.New Mexico’s sonar division, said his division was responsible for finding, mapping and tracking the Astute. Deline said he was extremely satisfied with the performance of New Mexico. Lets not forget the astute reactor cant use passive cooling.
nick74178ify 1 week ago
@nick74178ify Wow, your delusions know no bounds... It's YOU who can't spell, and seem to have some trouble with grammar too! What you wrote itsn't a quote...for a start, it's grammatically crap. After the trials, Commander Breckenridge said (of HMS Astute): "We met and surpassed every expectation. She is just better than any other submarine I have ever been on." And, ALL of our nuclear subs utilise passive cooling...dumb fucking troll.
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@nick74178ify Not to mention, Commander Breckenridge has been onboard USS New Mexico...
samuraikensai 1 week ago
@nick74178ify A quote by Commander Breckenridge, after the trials:
"Our sonar is fantastic and I have never before experienced holding a submarine at the range we were holding USS New Mexico.
"The Americans were utterly taken aback, blown away with what they were seeing."
samuraikensai 1 week ago
Im having such a good laugh at how stupid you are and yes it was a quote that was said by a 3rd class sonar operator on the new mexico good job jackass you just made your self look so stupid. If you could read you would know both submarine commanders where going on both boats to see the way the crew performed, Commander Beckenridge was on the new mexico to, Please turn on your spell check for fuck sake.
nick74178ify 1 week ago
@nick74178ify I already said that Commander Breckenridge (yep, not 'Beckenridge') went on both boats...and then he said that Astute is the best... What is your IQ? I'm guessing it's only in double digits... A quote shows who made the statement...you didn't. Not to mention, he only said what his job was...he never said he was successful in it. Astute detected New Mexico at extreme range...you lose. BTW, it's 'yourself', 'too' and 'for fuck's sake'. How did you even graduate?
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nick74178ify 1 week ago
Holy shit you are fucking stupid are you still in the 3rd grade The astute uses a reactor that cant run passive cooling its nuclear coolant pumps need to be on at all times unlike u.s. subs that can run with their pumps off, If you had a brain you would know a coolant pumps is the main cause of noise on a nuclear sub, The uk had to get the u.s. help them build a pwr-3 that is based on a s9g. fuck your so stupid. And the sonar operator on new mexico said he was VERY SATISFIED with he new mexico
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please check you grammar you missing a lot of commas and semicolons shit are you home schooled. And again shit for brains their is no information on the hms astute tracking the new mexico at extreme range, fact their is no confirmed range of either sub tracking each other just that both crews said they where satisfied with the performance, Please stop making shit up.
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what he meant was astute is the best, before he commanded a old desiel sub. Here is what he said.
Commader Breckenridge, whose first submarine was diesel-powered HMS Olympus, basically a redesign of Second World War technology, He was referring to subs that he had control with, Plus how could you say its better then the mexico he didn't command such a ship only go to see how the crew performed. And no i know you lying the astute never picked up new mexico at extreme range.
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Maybe you should red with your eyes open, Commander Breckenridge was never on the uss new mexico your getting confused with Admiral Sir Mark Stanhope who was on both subs. Just like Admiral Jonathan W. Greenert u.s. navy was on both boats but the new mexico Commander George Perez was only on his ship. The 2 admirals where on the 2 boats not the commanders of the sub they stayed on their own boat. So Breckenridge said astute is the best he has ever been on, he was never on the uss new mexico.
nick74178ify 6 days ago
@nick74178ify You have a lot of nerve telling him he doesn't know how to spell when half the shit you're (YOU ARE) typing has some kind of spelling/grammatical errors... like the fact that you insist on that you are using 'your' properly....
renadefarie 1 week ago
@nick74178ify Your vs. You’re
This one drives me insane, and it’s become extremely common among bloggers. All it takes to avoid this error is to take a second and think about what you’re trying to say.
“Your” is a possessive pronoun, as in “your car” or “your blog.” “You’re” is a contraction for “you are,” as in “you’re screwing up your writing by using your when you really mean you are.”
renadefarie 1 week ago
@nick74178ify The US Navy said that the best competition around is the Astute class... They were blown away by it's capabilities. You're one dumb fucker...a dumb fucker who can't spell, and can't check facts. Fucking twat...
samuraikensai 1 week ago
@nick74178ify Seawolf was intended to be the very best attack submarine America could produce... Virginia is just a budget version of Seawolf. You need to look up facts and history...
samuraikensai 1 week ago
@nick74178ify BTW, it's 'know'...retard.
samuraikensai 1 week ago
@sidewinder188 Abrams tanks, for example, wouldn't have world class armour if it wasn't for Britain! :-P
samuraikensai 1 month ago
The best thing is to evoluate in silence ! This comparaison is downdated !
bo2web 2 months ago
Wath ever the nation this is always the last submarine equiped with the most advanced technology which is going to be on the top !
bo2web 2 months ago
RULE BRITANIA and i researched and it is 4 le terribal france 3 sea wolf usa 2 los angelis usa 1 hms ambush uk
SuperJAmEzEr 2 months ago
where's HMS Ambush?
chezzylee 2 months ago
@chezzylee HMS Ambush IS an Astute Class sub...
samuraikensai 1 month ago
i think the Astute deserves better, its stealth capability is currently unmatched by any other submarines. regarding firepower... not sure though
mrkimkihoon 3 months ago
no vrigina class is a bit beter in stealth and advances systems.
nick74178ify 3 months ago
I actually wanted to say that Germany has the best subs in the world but i forgot that this is about nuclear submarines :D
FelixHD1 4 months ago
love the %100 American
HBSBMX 4 months ago
Please do your research before adding to 'the facts' found on the internet.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Kintercept 4 months ago 6
I usually do not comment on these things but I just could not sit back and say nothing. The Akula? Really? These things are ill maintained hunks of junk, although they are throw backs from the same era as that of the 681 Los Angelas class, the 681's have constantly been upgraded with major overhauls. I noticed that you threw in the Seawolf class, but not the Jimmy Carter as they are vastly different.
Kintercept 4 months ago
Yes there is only one Jimmy Carter but there are only a couple Seawolfs. Although the Virginia class came after the Seawolf let it be understood that Seawolf is superior. The Seawolf was a testbed using all of the best known technologies. The Virginia was a sensible mass production of the Seawolf.
Kintercept 4 months ago
UK have their Astute class (already Astute and Ambush in service) and french Barracuda class soon follow.
Jyrki1964 4 months ago
Russian nuke sub cruise Americansea coast you fool!A merica is must united with Russia no matter what/and how many Russians are in States???
holicat098 4 months ago
im suprised the alfa class submarine didnt make it on the list. sure theres none left, but they had a comparible test depth, carried torpedos, cruise missles, and mines, and still has the highest speed of any attack submarine of 43 knots.
speed150mph 5 months ago
Nuke sub made sure no nation to start a war, the mass destruction power is unimagiable
No war mongering nation, or it will come back hunt you
Russian nuke sub regulary cruise american sea coast is a worrisome fact
Chines has 12 nuke sub known, or even more, since they don't release this info
NO WAR FOREVER ! OR WE ALL DIE !!!
energyalt56 5 months ago
The Akula 2's are very impressive boats but to place them above what is even now the most sophisitcated piece of military hardware in the world ( SEAWOLF) or to place it above the Astute, a more modern and more advanced class in everyway is just wrong, i know its this guys personal opinion, but arrghhh it irks man lol!
TheCharlie359 5 months ago
Your top is kind of funny. To list Virginia, which is a scaled-down, cheaper version of the Seawolf above Seawolf itself denotes a serious lack of documentation.
r8wing 6 months ago
baracuda class submarine are coming...
bingofioul 6 months ago
where is the Ohio Class
JVLigon 6 months ago
@JVLigon
In the "Top 10 Nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarines".
r8wing 6 months ago
USA have many SSN type of subs in addition to those SSBN types (Ohio).
Seawolf class subs were only 3 made. Virginia class have 43 operational and the old Los Angeles class 23.
Jyrki1964 6 months ago
@Jyrki1964 lol virginia class has 7 active subs not 43 stupid
MrStoneFamily 6 months ago
@MrStoneFamily
Really? I'l check my information.
Jyrki1964 6 months ago
@Jyrki1964 Mr stonefamily is right... they're still in production......
thozz 4 months ago
1st astute class, 2nd seawolf class, 3rd trafalgar class, 4th los angeles class
THEPROPNUMBA3 6 months ago
USS Florida, SSGN-728. USS Ohio, SSGN-726. USS Michigan, SSGN-727. USS Georgia, SSGN-729 154 Tomahawk Missiles. Either a combined munitions package or a 200kT nuclear warhead. Ohio Class. Ever heard of it?
Sartanator 6 months ago
new countdown. Russia have 17 SSBN type of subs. USA have 14. France and UK have both 4.
No other country in the world have none.
Not even nuclear powered subs.
Jyrki1964 7 months ago
@Jyrki1964
Well... China has older Han and newer Shang -class SSN type boats.
Jyrki1964 7 months ago
Despite classification the best subs today are the Swedish Gotland class
They are not nuclear, but keps undetected as long
Jyrki1964 7 months ago
They say that their subs go undetected.. True. But due to that one British and one French sub collided in the middle of the atlantic. Both were nuclear. HMS Vanguard and Le Triomphant.
Jyrki1964 7 months ago
@Jyrki1964 abit to undetectible don't you think
TheLazyman555 7 months ago
@TheLazyman555
Yes i mean that both were unaware of the other. The collision came to daylight much after the actual thing for the navies itself. That's another story.
Those subs can really go undetected. What they are - of course - meant to do.
Jyrki1964 7 months ago
@Jyrki1964
The odds of those two to contact each other under the vastness of Atlantic sea was like - astronomical - but still they did....
And the more strange part is that they we both the flagships of a two and only western European nuclear mights.
Jyrki1964 7 months ago
There are only 20 >< submarines in the world that can release their poiwer
US have 9 subs, Europe 2. At this time.
Total US have 11 europe 4
Jyrki1964 7 months ago
what about china's jian class?
ervin920 7 months ago
Ye but typhoon is still SSBN submarine then i ask where is most bigger nuclear submarine in the world??
katowittz 10 months ago
where is typhoon?
katowittz 11 months ago
@katowittz Typhoon is not a multi-purpose submarines, and strategic missile submarine. These are only with us.
MSKHedge 10 months ago
50 knots for type 093? Too much.
Hydrau1ik 1 year ago
added kilo,amur and lada.....btw does the astute still have problems with engine and stuff ?
IndoAtheist 1 year ago