that is why in the end the fins were finished and defeated by the Red Army. Fuck this foolish pro-nazi song, I am glad that a few years after the song was made, the singer was put up against a wall and shot.
Finnish people were not nazis in ww2 or today either...
Stalin wanted to occupy Finland and Finland is a small nation(Finland fought 1year,only little loses,then 3 years,only little loses too,but Soviets didn't defeat Finland)
Every time there is propaganda in war and this is just one of them ps.no one,who was making this song,was shot. sorry for my bad english
@comicallu35 Finland invaded the USSR on the side of the Nazi-scum. the Fins used swastikas they were anti-communist. the the end the Soviets occupied Finland and put the fascist on their knees.
@MaoistLeninistMarx "Finland invaded the USSR on the side of the Nazi-scum."
Deliberate or ignorant? you know the answer.
FACTS:
- Soviets invaded Finland (with Nazi help) 30.11.1939; killing 25 000 Finns, and seizing the second most important city of the nation, and 10% of the land.
- in June 1941, the Soviets bombed Finnish cities
- the Finns responded to SU's naked provocation
The courts jail the unprovoked Soviet MURDERERS, record no conviction against the VICTIMS the Finns. They walk tall.
- Finland was invaded unprovoked and illegally & 24000 of its finest murdered & lands stolen
- Finns got their lands back and DUG IN at their old border facing Leningrad
- Stalin's order to Russian civilians to "murder, rape, burn, poison, etc" was arrested by the incarceration of the same
Ps. Were the battered Finns to supply black bread to those who had just a few months earlier waged a most inhumane campaign against them to make them another Baltic. Hardly so.
Worst translation ever... Even Google translate did better here and I am stunned that the Russian parts anyone would understand from a song in Finnish would be translated.
Прибалты присоединислись к СССР сразу, фины немного повоевали, но все равно вынуждены были предоставить свои земли для советских военных баз))) Это за пару лет до войны было.
@clubcanthandleme100 : Mannerheim was certainly a Finn, born close to Turku. His mother language was Swedish as was common for upper class in Finland at that time. As Finland was then a part of Russian Empire, Mannerheim joined Russian military as many other Finns, and learnt Russian only when adult. His Finnish was poor, when he returned to Finland in 1917 at the age of 50, but he improved it a lot during the following years. He never felt himself Russian.
Dear people of Finland! I am veru proud of our national hero - Gen. Mannerheim - who struggled against red kommunists and who had led your country free free from bolsheviks. You have won your battle. Long live Heros of White Guard!!! Russian patriot.
@bella140791 : "Njet" is a quasi-phonetic spelling to indicate the real Russian pronunciation. In English the corresponding spelling would be "nyet". Neither is exact, but better than straight "net". So "njet" = "nyet" = нет (in Russian alphabet) meaning "no" in English.
Very nice song. Mati Jurva was a very popular Finnish jazz singer, like Leonid Utyosov in Russian those times. The conflict was initiated solely by Joseph Stalin with his imperial ambitions, not by the Russian people.
Классная песенка! Финны молодцы во-первых землю свою отстояли, во-вторых на нас злобы не затаили. Правильно разобрались в ситуации, что делать, времена такие были...
@lagen65 Разобрались в ситуации и беззлобно так, вместе с германцами морили голодом Ленинград, загоняли русских в концлагеря в Карелии, окупировали никогда не пренадлежащии Финляндии территории. А песенка мне тоже нравится.
@vonBuchen Я не говорил, кто первый начал, да и что начал? В 1941 Финляндия объявила войну СССР и начала сухопутную операцию. До того обе страны вели недружественные действия по отношению друг к другу. За некоторые эпизоды в этой войне на Нюрнберге судили руководство 3 рейха, финское руководство, похоже благодаря СССР этого избежало, хотя та же блокада на процессе фигурировала.
Скажите, а вы не слышали, что за два года "до того" СССР напал на Финляндию и аннексировал часть ее территории? Которую финны в 41 просто вернули назад, это что, преступление, за которое надо судить? Правильнее было бы судить СССР, как агрессора, да в 45 некому было.
@vonBuchen Моё первое сообщение было ответом товарищу lagen65, слабо знакомого с историей России. Прочтите его, и поймёте о чём был ответ. Возврат того, что вам никогда не принадлежало (восточная Карелия) обычно называется захват, оккупация, аннексия и тп. Карельский перешеек хотя бы входил в Россию с момента завоевания Новгорода до 1918 (только в 1811 перешеек передан Великому княжеству Финляндскому являющемуся частью России).
@germash19 The isthums (and others) was still a legal part of Finland, had been part of the autonomous grand duchy, and was recognised as part of Finland by the international community and Soviets. Finland did not take part in the siege of Leningrad and Finland allowed the northern railway to stay operational because our leaders knew that no matter what the outcome of the war Russia would still be our neighbour. Not that it matters anymore, Karelia has been ruined so most don't want it back.
@randomjesse Finland participated in the siege of Leningrad, cut northern railway and occupied not only the Karelian isthmus but also territories never belonging to Finland.
@Tenzor1976 Nope, when the Russian defences in the isthmus collapsed Finland could've invaded the city, but stopped at the old border and never completed the encirclement. Finland didn't shell or bomb the city. Occupation of isthmus was right thing to do since it was Finnish soil invaded and occupied by Soviets, however occupation of eastern Karelia was not legal or right. Finnish division under German command took part in an attempt to cut the railway, other than that only brief after the new.
@randomjesse Also would be invaded, but the Soviet Armies have prevented. 17000 civil deaths is result of active actions (bombs and shells). The others 600000 have died as a result to passive participation.
@germash19 Never even tried, because it was goverments politics, not to to participate in greater issues and keep the war local, distinctive from the world war. And there was no bombing from Finnish territory.
@germash19 "Thanks to Finland from hunger killed hundreds of thousands of people"
This is a blatant & twisted LIE! Now, it is easy to say anything, but where's the proof? The fact is the Finns stood at their own border, and REFUSED to attack Leningrad (to Hitler's fuming annoyance).
Nah, Finns had nothing to do with the dead of Leningrad; but they had all to do with the deaths of hundreds of thousands of those who had attacked their peaceful country ILLEGALLY and UNPROVOKED in 1939 & 1944.
@germash19 "вместе с германцами морили голодом Ленинград"
Nothing together. Let's not forget that these same poor innocent Soviets had tried to occupy Finland just a few months earlier. And that they had bombed 18 Finnish cities without a warning, killed 24000 of the finest of the Nation & robbed 1/10th of its territory, and the 2nd most important City (Vyborg).
Some should appreciate the fact that they didn't take their revenge and attack Leningrad with the Germans (resulting in its demise).
@germash19 And how did they kill those "a lot of civilians of Leningrad"? By attacking the city by land, sea, and air. None of that.
The well-known FACT is, to Hitler's repeated requests and to his great annoyance, Mannerheim REFUSED to attack the city by crossing the the old border facing it.
You've been blurting that notion of yours for some time now; it's time for you to put up (produce the evidence) or shut up. Dig it. Repeat: How did they kill those "a lot of civilians".
@germash19 In the siege on Leningrad the amount of civilians killed by Finns is countable with your fingers as history is written by the victor which in WW II was Russia who left the mark on history books worldwide stating that every accounted for civilian death was due to bombardment or hunger. Finns only had a small amount of infantry there so every bombardment kill was by Germans (some 5000 of those) and starvation while supply lines were cut (450 000+).
@uglyducklingUPA 25-го у Финляндии появился повод для объявления войны СССР с целью оккупации территории соседнего государства, у СССР 22-25 числа таких поводов было достаточно, об этом можно и в финских источниках прочесть, и весьма подробно, в отличии от товарища Суворова В..
@germash19 1. Finland didn't really participate in the Siege of Leningrad. It is true that Finland did cut off the railways. 2. The concentration camps to Russians weren't meant to kill any Russian. Their meaning was to jail up many Russians and later trade them to Finnish speaking people living in or jailed by USSR. 3. Finland didn't really attack against USSR in Continuation War. The army of Finland followed pretty much recommanditions of Churchill.
@germash19 В конце-концов сдали же нацистам Киев, Минск, Одессу, и что? А вот в Питере надо было держать блокаду и уморить несколько сот тысяч человек только из-за.. из-за чего? Из-за показателей? Из-за архитектуры? Да вы ёбнулись, что ли?!! Кутузов сдал Москву, чтобы сберечь людей и дать решительный, реальный отпор. И даже ее сжег.
А Жданов со Сталиным - нет. Хрен вам. Пусть все сдохнут, но город не сдадим.
@realLavsky Человек грабил другого, но тот стал сопротивляться и грабитель его убил. По вашей логике суд должен посмертно осудить действия жертвы, не позволявшей себя грабить, и препятствующего самым "благородным" действиям грабителя. Ну а Ленинград ни германцы, ни особенно финны кормить не собирались. Сельхоз продукция окрестностей не покрывает потребностей города, и в случае сдачи погибло бы большинство жителей.
@germash19 Спасибо и Вам, и финнам. Теперь буду знать кто такой этот Бобриков. А вот по поводу гибели большинства жителей Ленинграда в случае сдачи его немцам, не могу быть уверен. Кормить бы их ни кто не стал, но и голода на оккупированных территориях не было. Но я не слышал что бы народ сам хотел сдаться.
@player002Ru That's nice to hear. Thank you. Politicians need to open this subject as they did in 50's and 60's. Many times it was "close" to have a result and succeed for this subject. Paasikivi and Kekkonen got many very positive answers but as many times Soviet leaders said, now it's not a good time but in the future. I hope our generation can fix this open wound, I bet both countries want to have a closure for this issue even Putin or Medvedev are not who will make it. I bet so.
@tupakki I do not think returning Karelia to Finland would benefit anyone. It would be very expensive to modernize Karelian infrastructure and Finns are already in debt.
@pedarikarhu Of course it would benefit. What makes you to say it wouldn't? First of all, it would benefit people who are living there.Their life isn't as good as we could think so. It would also benefit all of those Finns who would want to move there and own land. Especially all of those Finns who are descend of Karelian evacuee. Getting lost Karelia on Finnish leven would take a lot of money,indeed. Finland has paid to Russia 1990 - 2011 already 320 million euro.Has it been worth?
@tupakki The main problem is money. Finland is already in dept, and roughly said the Karelia that we know now is a shithole compared to modern Finland. I do not think it is worth the money to modernize Karelia just so the descendants of Karelians could move back there. And many of those descendants do not really crave to move back there.
Sure it would benefit those who really want to move back there, but i do not think its worth the money.
And what about the modern russians who live there?
@pedarikarhu Finland has debt but which country wouldnt be. It doesnt change the fact that Finland is repairing and building roads, houses etc. in Finland. Finland could still be in depts and repair Karelia. Karelia wouldnt only take money, in a time, Finland would also get money from Karelia. Actually quite many would want to move to Karelia if it would be a part of Finland. Few years ago gallup was made. I can dig the numbers if zou want.
Modern Russians could stay or move if they would want.
@pedarikarhu Opinions are opinions. For you it might be closed. For many, including myself, it won't until those lost areas are returned to Finland. I can also say that this subject is very close to me because my family lost their land to Russia. I want that justice will be served and right owners get their land back. Including my family.
@player002Ru It's pretty much impossible to forget when you can see the outcome of WW2 everyday. I am meaning those areas that Finland lost first after Winter War and then finally by Parish peace treaty. If Russia would return those areas back to Finland. There would be more trust between our countries. Now many Finnish people can't trust to country which is still occupying Finnish land. Still it's nice to hear you think as you wrote, Finnish people don't have anything against people like you.
@ZanG1957 я все народы уважаю,а те которые появились спонтанно в 15-16 веке не воспринимаю как народ,люди просто обманывают себя под давлением общества..........логически понимать суть вещей тебе не дано в данной теме,продолжай мыслить предрассудками и догадками-жаль что правды этим не добьешься никогда.
@ZanG1957 ахахах....вот с этого момента и начилось разделения народа,после издание этой книжицы...только вот из-за произношения и диалектов в языке нации не появляются,исключенье украина в мире,но этому придет конец я уверен в этом.
@ZanG195 мои предки именно казаки,ростовские и запорожские,писали знаю-но антропологически разницы нет,это как немец и австриец,или англичанин и австралиец разницы никакой .......тебе незнакомо понятие.....Сталина Украине дал огромную часть земли на западе,вы должны его боготворить.
@ZanG195 обьесни мне что такое Москаль,поскольку я был в севастополе,донецке подобного ни от кого не слышал......а ты кто тогда если я например москаль)ахахах..москаль бред какой-то.
@ZanG1957 а про твою страну отдельно скажу,многие друзья живут у меня там......и они говорят и я знаю,что всему виной в нынешнем положении раздела,сыграла роль немецкая разведка-именно она придумала вымышленную нацию украина совместно бывшими поляками......ты этим горд ,я знаю.
@ZanG1957 я с ростова,мои родственники с давних пор живут здесь,никаких стосовок как ты представляешь никогда у нас не было,но про конфликты различные какие были южнее в турции например,судить не имеет смысла.........почему ты так про кавказ завылся.....если так пошло возвращайтесь в польшу-ваш округ галиченский,чтоб восстановить историческую справедливость.....а твои выводы насчет кто получил с полна в каких то расчетах,идиотизм...во всех странах были неудачи и удачи от военных до экономических
@ZanG1957 Все цивилизации той поры и нынешней захватывали разные народы и земли.....например англия пол мира имела,франция,испания,сша и причем уничтожали поголовно народы,были и такие случае...обвинять беспочвенно одну взятую страну.
кацапам всегда не хватает для счастья немножечко земли. При этом они свято верят, что несут большое счастье тем народам которых приходят грабить. А на своей земле они никак порядка навести не могут, потому что не хотят работать а хотят нести всем народам счастье на штыках.
Ei venäläiset ole ikinä suudelleet meitä, tai suoraan sanottuna keitään naapureitaan. Mitä nyt eivät ole kylmän sodan jälkeen painostaneet ja tehneet vaatimuksia yhtä tiheään, ja viime aikoinakin ollut draamaa esim venäjän teettämistä puutulleista, viranomaisten vaatimuksista venäläispentujen suhteen sekä tuotteiden tuontikielloista, mutta tää on jo offtopiccia.
Iso syy miks mä vetoan historiaan on että vetoan ihmisiin järjellä jotta saataisiin nuoltua haavoja nimenomaan rauhanomaisin keinoin.
venäjän ja suomen pitäisi pystyä elämään rauahassa ja sovussa. Mutta se tulee tapahtumaan vasta kun venäläiset lopettavat katsomaan suomalaisia nenänvartta pitkin ja pitämään itseään herrain rotuna. Suomessa niin moni asia paremmin esim. vähemmin köyhyyttä. Kaikki kunnia sotiemme veteraaneille ja älkää hyvät ihmiset myykö maatanne karvalakeille kunnes he eivät myy maataan meille.
Karjala on osa Suomea.....Viipuri on ollut kaunis kaupunki, mutta nyt rapistunut, raiskattu ja kuoleva! Vitun ryssät... opetelkaa edes pyyhkimään perseenne
@AlexRussman "It's well known fact that Hitler promised whole Karelia and Kola peninsula to Finland" Is that so??
We KNOW he promised yous, half of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland and parts of Romania. And you ACCEPTED his offer, and duly went after your promised booty, but FAILED in claiming Finland as per the pact.
"Whole Karelia" always belonged to Finnish tribes, not Novgorodians. It and Kola (if true what u say) should be given to Finns for 100 000 killed by Russians 39-44.
And when will Russia make amends for its lust over finnish/estonian/latvian/lithuanian/polish lands?
Stalin divided them with Hitler, Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
Russia has through history been a state of opportunistic imperialism. First their "freeing" their orthodox brothrs in faith, then "slavic kinship" in WW1 with Serbia, in WW2 it was about "freeing proletariat from capitalism", so on. You call us greedy, but its ALWAYS been russians who have taken from others.
Great somg! As far as I know , it has also an original Russian translation for propaganda purposes among Red Army. Had it ever been sung in Russian by Matti Jurva?
It's the most idiotic, bloody and useless war ever, started by Stalin. Вечная память погибшим финским и русским солдатам! Russia and Finland are two sisters, regardless of all nasty historical facts!
Here is some observation on the uniqueness of the moment the song was written. It happened in 1942, at the zenith of Hitler's offensive against USSR, and before the Stalingrad. Hence we see a lot of bravery and threats to send Molotov and other Soviet leaders beyond the Ural mountains.
Kekeke, I just like that and see how severe the Finnish guys throw Molotov cocktails into gigantic tripods and tanks with the nuclear-powered, "Ivans" growth in the three-meter, in caps with ear-flaps, drinking liters of vodka, armed with nuclear balalaika. And of course, bear cavalry, ready to break all along the way:)
Thank you Poland. Now we should understand the difference between Nazi and German. Two different things. Nazis had very slight influence here in the North. Germans, on the other hand, had more, especially in the crucial battle for Carelia, in which the front line was halted, precarioiusly. With help from the Luftwaffe the Russian advance was made impotent. It was then that Stalin shifted his intrerests to the South. Please study history. Only the truth can get us anywhere.
Et kai luule Tomhetted, että suomalaisiet noin vain unohtavat kärsityn vääryyden? Ole rehellinen ja vastuullinen. Vastustakaamme sotaa ja koettakaamme palauttaa normaalit suhteet. Allekirjoittaneen omat sukulaiset karkotti Puna-armeija Vuoksen rannoilta v. 1939.
@Kissinpoika Oikeassa olet. Suomen tulisi myös neuvotella menetettyjen alueiden kohtalosta ja tulevaisuudesta. Minunkin isovanhemmat perheineen joutuivat lähtemään laittomien rajasiirtojen vuoksi. Olisi se niin hienoa vielä saada suvun maat takaisin.
@swdynamis Communism and socialism just don't work in real life. The workers are lazy and stuff. Thats why Soviet Union's finances dropped and Soviet Union had to fall.
You are right. because of it the society must be reformed. no one can't disagree that idea of Communism is very good and that is one of the best ideas in the world. the problem is to realise it and introduce it into life. all problems are politics and society.
Да, победили мы в этой вынужденной, бессмысленной войне, ценой потерь втрое больших чем с финской стороны. Но не сдвинь мы тогда границы Финляндии на 150 км к северу, годом позже немцы, атакуя с финской земли сровняли бы Ленинград с землей, и Сталин знал это. Вечная память советским и финским воинам.
@Tomhetted Yours is a modern expedient and face-saving version of how things went down. But not a true one as such. For, it's a well-established fact that, Stalin's plan was to occupy all of Finland, and that he FAILED to do so 1939 (and 1944). Now, he had his 150kms in March 1940; yet, he sent Molotov to Berlin in September 1940 to ask Hitler if he could take care of "unfinished business in Finland". So, "buffer zone" theory is sheer crap.
@Tomhetted And also, your "won the war" is rather hollow to say the least. Only reaching the summit can be called a "victory"; else it's termed as a "failed attempt". Now, Khrushchev called it a "defeat". Moreover, even if Russians reached their Helsinki objective, could the conquest by a nation of 150 million over a nation of 3 million be called a "victory". Not at all. It's like an adult beating up a child. Joke is that Russians failed to do even that (uraa to all smiling children!!)
@obuBBubo I see you're very proud of the small but very independent Finland. Maybe you're right that in Stalin's plan was to subordinate Finland. And may not be right. Well, then, that we needed to protect the territory of Leningrad by Hitler's attack is an indisputable fact. By the way, everything can be settled peacefully and without casualties. But the Finns have behaved provocatively, conducted joint exercises with the Third Reich right near the border with the USSR.
@Tomhetted No maybes. Multible undeniable facts leave no room for maybes. For example, did the Soviet troops get lost in the snow storm, or what were they doing at Raate? Were they establishing a 150kms zone around Leningrad, or what? Nah, their orders were to reach Oulu, and cut Finland in half, so that no help could come from the north. Buffer zone talk is nothing but sheer crap. Even if it was true (which it isn't of course), it would've been ILLEGAL to do so.
@Tomhetted "But the Finns had behaved provocatively, conducted joint exercises with the Third Reich right near the border with the USSR."
What are you talking about! That is an outright LIE! At the time of the Soviet attack, Adolf and Joseph were whispering secrets into each other's ears. And the Georgian Moe toasted Hitler and Germans in Moscow like a crazy man. Also, the Germans supplied weapons to USSR to fight against Finns, and USSR supplied raw materials to Nazis right till 1941.
And the conditions for peaceful solution to the problem have been very acceptable to the Finnish side. But apparently, Hitler promised something Finns in exchange for the loyalty of Finland to the Third Reich. And for you, dear I advise to watch less television, and trust to more adequate sources. You are zombied your government, which believes that Russia is a Mordor and the Empire of Evil, unworthy to possess the resources that she has. Wake up! Rissian is not USSR, and we are other people.
@Tomhetted "And the conditions for peaceful solution to the problem have been very acceptable to the Finnish side. But apparently, Hitler promised something Finns in exchange for the loyalty of Finland to the Third Reich."
What garbage can did you fish this out of ?
In 1939, it was yous whom the Nazis promised the world for their friendship. And it was yous who with their help had occupied a part of Finland. In 1941, your former ALLY promised weapons to get it back.
U have no proof of your words. But i have of mine. If u are interested in i can link it to u PM. Till that I've had enough. I'm tired of this senseless conversation and your limitations. See wider. I have already said that in Soviet times we were allowed a lot of mistakes but in the case of the Winter War we have chosen lesser of two evils. By the way I'm often in Finland and I know many Finns who share my point of view and it is for me a much more authoritative than naked aggression, dude.
@Tomhetted No proof. Right. No Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania, Finland. No naked land grab by the two Moes, Adolf &Joseph. You chose Nazis as your partner, and then came to do the Baltics on Finland. Well, they were no fools.
Next time when you go to fi, visit Raate (I understand there's a Russian memorial there as well), and ask yourself, "what were they doing in here?! did they get lost in the snowstorm? Also watch "1940 Deaths in the Karelian Forests" (and The Soviet Story).
@Tomhetted That's not true. Not Finns believe in stories like that. You can't find any tusted historians from Finland who would share same thoughts than you are. If there is some Finnish individuals, they are very lost. Even new generation of Russian historians are not thinking as you are. What you are saying is like from deepest Soviet times. Not true at all.
@Tomhetted Дружище, они правы. С этим согласны большинство наших историков, и даже наше смутное правительство придерживается этой точки зрения. Напал Сталин и напал без оснований и провокаций.
Kyllä, me voitimme tämän pakko, mieletön sota, jossa hinta menettää kolme kertaa suurempi kuin Suomen puolella. Mutta jos emme siirrä Suomen rajalla 150 km pohjoiseen, vuotta myöhemmin saksalaiset hyökkäävät päässä Suomen maata rikki pommitettu Leningradin ja Stalin tiesi sen. Eternal muisti Neuvostoliiton ja suomalaisia sotilaita.
Stupid wars and fucked politicans... ((( Russia and Finland must live in peace and friendship! Without stereotypes and negative memories! Long live to Finland, respect from Russia!
@solboy100 As long as Russia has finnish land it will be basically almost impossible. Russia should return those land that they don't really need and then we would be able to build friendship on solid base. Would you if you would be in charge?
Sure, ofc, absolutely! Let's live in mutual friendship rainbow sunshine happiness for all time.
When the wrongs have been righted and Russia answers for its crimes, WW2 or otherwise.
Before that happens, speeches of solidarity among nations are naive fallacy at best, and hypocritical bullshit at worst.
Love peace as anybody but I can't bring myself to believe that we are equal and even with Russia, as a political entity you have hurt us too much. And im not referring just to WW2..
@ZimoP today 201* ... wakeup!! Who must to answer for crimes??? They all dead... maybe few people 100+ years old alive... look at the future!
You know the chaos theory? Maybe your parents or you was burn bacause any crime happend in 193*? Don't think about that? I know what i'm product of WW2... My parents would never met without that war...
@ZimoP Toivottavasti ny voin suomee jätkälle puhua. Kai sä tiedät kuinka tyhmää on itkeä historian perään? Oon tavannu kymmeniä toisen maailman veteraaneja, kaikki on antanut anteeksi venäläisille koska ei se ollut hei'än vika edes. Stalinia saa syyttää ihan rauhassa, ei venäläisiä. Sit taas pitää muistaa että kyllä ne jotakin hyvää on tehny suomelle, valtas meiät ruotsilta jos ei olis tätä tapahtunu oltais mahdollisesti ruotsin pikku neitejä. Tiedäthä sä sen et Venäjä suutelee suomen pyllyä nyt
Juu tiedänhän minä että se on pragmaattista pitää välit rauhallisina suurvallan kanssa jne. mutta venäjän vuosituhantisia veritekoja suomensukuisia vastaan en silti hyväksy. Kato miten paljon osa venäläisistä itkee historiasta ja haukkuu meitä fasisteiksi kun puolustettiin omaamme tai pyrittiin turvaamaan suomen asemat. Mitä nyt siihen sotaveteraanien mielipiteisiin tulee niin kyllä sinne katkeria mahtuu, varsinkin entisiä karjalaisia jotka kärsi rauhan seurauksena eniten.
Se on totta että Stalinhan se diktaattorina aloitti tämän sodan ja perusneuvostolaisen piti totella tai tulla teloitetuksi mutta karjala on nyt venäjällä, ja siis hyötyy väkivalloin otetusta maasta. Sitten suomen aseman vahvistumisesta että kummiskin ne oli ne suomalaiset sivistyneet jotka tätä kansallista projektia hiellä ajoi. Nationalismi oli yleinen aate 1800-luvun euroopassa ja mikään ei sano ettei se olisi pullahtanut suomeen vaikka oltaisiin pysytty ruotsissa kiinni.
@Tonzai2002 sä puhut asiaa että ei se ollu venäläisten vika.juu tavallaan totta tavallaan väärin.jos venäläiset ois vihannu ja halunnu lopettaa sodan suomen kaa nii ois potkinu stalinin pihalle.ei 2000 000 solttua pärjää koko muulle valtiolle oli niillä aseet tai ei.ja suomalaiset vihaa venäläisiä niiden röyhkeyden takia kuten kauppa jonossa etuilu,paska ajotapa liikenteessä jne.talvisota on vain tekosyy sille vihalle
@juhotheonehanded Vai on talvisota tekosyy? Mikäs vitun kommari sää oot? Venäläiset on aina ollut paskaa kansaa ja tulee aina olemaan, "Kuollut ryssä paras ryssä".
that is why in the end the fins were finished and defeated by the Red Army. Fuck this foolish pro-nazi song, I am glad that a few years after the song was made, the singer was put up against a wall and shot.
MaoistLeninistMarx 2 days ago
@MaoistLeninistMarx autocorrect*
Finnish people were not nazis in ww2 or today either...
Stalin wanted to occupy Finland and Finland is a small nation(Finland fought 1year,only little loses,then 3 years,only little loses too,but Soviets didn't defeat Finland)
Every time there is propaganda in war and this is just one of them ps.no one,who was making this song,was shot. sorry for my bad english
comicallu35 1 day ago
@comicallu35 Finland invaded the USSR on the side of the Nazi-scum. the Fins used swastikas they were anti-communist. the the end the Soviets occupied Finland and put the fascist on their knees.
MaoistLeninistMarx 1 day ago
@MaoistLeninistMarx *facepalm*
READ THE GODDAMN WIKIPEDIA
comicallu35 1 day ago
@comicallu35 what?
MaoistLeninistMarx 1 day ago
@MaoistLeninistMarx "Finland invaded the USSR on the side of the Nazi-scum."
Deliberate or ignorant? you know the answer.
FACTS:
- Soviets invaded Finland (with Nazi help) 30.11.1939; killing 25 000 Finns, and seizing the second most important city of the nation, and 10% of the land.
- in June 1941, the Soviets bombed Finnish cities
- the Finns responded to SU's naked provocation
The courts jail the unprovoked Soviet MURDERERS, record no conviction against the VICTIMS the Finns. They walk tall.
obuBBubo 12 hours ago
@obuBBubo FACTS:
-The fins were nazis
- The fins used light blue Swastikas
- The Fins got weapons and support from germany
-the fins were ant-Communist, as were the nazi
- the fins invaded the USSR under the banner of fascist aggression
- the Soviets attacked the fins because the fins attacked Russia during the civil war trying to but the Tsar back into power
MaoistLeninistMarx 11 hours ago
Никогда Molotoff!! Никогда! Никогда! Никогд!##
obuBBubo 2 weeks ago
Glory to Finland. Hello from Ukraine
Fort251 3 weeks ago
from Russia:
DA, Molotoff... 1941 - 1945 )))))
p7851 4 weeks ago
it was hard for Finland to keep independence but they tried
remark423 1 month ago
Understand the situation:
- Finland was invaded unprovoked and illegally & 24000 of its finest murdered & lands stolen
- Finns got their lands back and DUG IN at their old border facing Leningrad
- Stalin's order to Russian civilians to "murder, rape, burn, poison, etc" was arrested by the incarceration of the same
Ps. Were the battered Finns to supply black bread to those who had just a few months earlier waged a most inhumane campaign against them to make them another Baltic. Hardly so.
obuBBubo 1 month ago
Worst translation ever... Even Google translate did better here and I am stunned that the Russian parts anyone would understand from a song in Finnish would be translated.
ZeroIsMany 1 month ago
kommenteista päätellen tää styki on naapurimaassamme t.A.T.u.n loilotuksiakin suositumpi
rbmk1000 1 month ago 8
Прибалты присоединислись к СССР сразу, фины немного повоевали, но все равно вынуждены были предоставить свои земли для советских военных баз))) Это за пару лет до войны было.
gittys1982 2 months ago
2:27-брехуны,на Россию только гавкают ачтоб че сделать-кишка тонка!!!Пусть чухонцы дальше сосут англосаксонский хуй,че еще скажешь.
96gopnik 2 months ago
is the song available anywhere CD or download?
peteuist 2 months ago
Mannerheim was russian. He didnt even speak finnish until he was 40
clubcanthandleme100 3 months ago
@clubcanthandleme100 : Mannerheim was certainly a Finn, born close to Turku. His mother language was Swedish as was common for upper class in Finland at that time. As Finland was then a part of Russian Empire, Mannerheim joined Russian military as many other Finns, and learnt Russian only when adult. His Finnish was poor, when he returned to Finland in 1917 at the age of 50, but he improved it a lot during the following years. He never felt himself Russian.
MrHenneri 3 months ago
punkkia saatana
Guitar1sti 3 months ago
Dear people of Finland! I am veru proud of our national hero - Gen. Mannerheim - who struggled against red kommunists and who had led your country free free from bolsheviks. You have won your battle. Long live Heros of White Guard!!! Russian patriot.
dbyteshev 3 months ago
@player002Ru good joke =D Putin is your new stalin..
Petskuu1 3 months ago 20
ha ha cool !!
Imprudentman 3 months ago
Elagu suur Soome!
Grigoriy137 3 months ago
what does "njet"mean?if u mean russian world "no"it spell "net".
bella140791 4 months ago
@bella140791 : "Njet" is a quasi-phonetic spelling to indicate the real Russian pronunciation. In English the corresponding spelling would be "nyet". Neither is exact, but better than straight "net". So "njet" = "nyet" = нет (in Russian alphabet) meaning "no" in English.
MrHenneri 3 months ago
@MrHenneri wow thanks:)
bella140791 3 months ago
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RocketBuzzsaw 4 months ago
@player002Ru Wow, ur english made me cry
kiomio10 4 months ago
@kiomio10 Maybe his english is poor, but could you please show me your russian?
Vapour120576 3 months ago
@Vapour120576 Why should I ? I speak my native language, his is Russian, mine is Finnish. And I speak really good english 2, so LAWYERED
kiomio10 3 months ago
Terrible song.
AnarchoCommunist1 4 months ago
@AnarchoCommunist1 :D'
natte579 4 months ago
who the hell is Bobrikoff?!!
syb0rg 5 months ago
@syb0rg He was the guy in charge of the "Russification" of Finland in the early 19 hundreds.
ThePsychoticPeanut 4 months ago
@syb0rg Type in Wikipedia: "Nikolai Bobrikov"
sandwich1817 4 months ago
Чухонцы спиздили мелодию с песенки "Ехал на ярмарку ухарь-купец", не очень...
Patolichev 5 months ago
Фины молодцы. Получили русские под зад пришлось довольствоваться тем что успели окупировать всю финляндию сталин не получил.
yanalune 5 months ago
Very nice song. Mati Jurva was a very popular Finnish jazz singer, like Leonid Utyosov in Russian those times. The conflict was initiated solely by Joseph Stalin with his imperial ambitions, not by the Russian people.
ashtreebg 5 months ago
Molotov sai KYLLÄ ... Молотов в итоге получил ДА
1952NIKOLA 5 months ago
Glory to brave USSR who fought the evil vikings!
AnarchoCommunist1 5 months ago
@AnarchoCommunist1 Tukehdu ja kuole.
wilpuri24 5 months ago
@AnarchoCommunist1 fail troll is fail
Settis1 5 months ago
Мне тоже понравилось. )) Причем, это же ведь вроде чарльстона. Под это танцевать можно. :)
realLavsky 6 months ago
Tämähän on hitti venäläisten keskuudessa. Eipä olisi uskonut.
randomjesse 6 months ago
@randomjesse
Varför inte?
vonBuchen 6 months ago
Ха-ха, финнам пять! Молодцы, смогли пошутить даже на такую болезненную для них тему.
vonBuchen 6 months ago
Классная песенка! Финны молодцы во-первых землю свою отстояли, во-вторых на нас злобы не затаили. Правильно разобрались в ситуации, что делать, времена такие были...
Ньет, Молотоф - это пять!)))
lagen65 6 months ago
@lagen65 Разобрались в ситуации и беззлобно так, вместе с германцами морили голодом Ленинград, загоняли русских в концлагеря в Карелии, окупировали никогда не пренадлежащии Финляндии территории. А песенка мне тоже нравится.
germash19 6 months ago 34
@germash19
Мало вас травили, пидарасов. Жалко, что гитлер проиграл. Не всех животных успели вырезать.
Korvinzmeypro 6 months ago
@Korvinzmeypro Дружок, тебя что, изнасиловали педерасты? Сочуствую.
germash19 6 months ago
@germash19
Да-да, кто вы говорите первый начал? "Кто с мечом к нам придет...". Ах да, это слова из другой песни...
vonBuchen 5 months ago
@vonBuchen Я не говорил, кто первый начал, да и что начал? В 1941 Финляндия объявила войну СССР и начала сухопутную операцию. До того обе страны вели недружественные действия по отношению друг к другу. За некоторые эпизоды в этой войне на Нюрнберге судили руководство 3 рейха, финское руководство, похоже благодаря СССР этого избежало, хотя та же блокада на процессе фигурировала.
germash19 5 months ago
@germash19
Скажите, а вы не слышали, что за два года "до того" СССР напал на Финляндию и аннексировал часть ее территории? Которую финны в 41 просто вернули назад, это что, преступление, за которое надо судить? Правильнее было бы судить СССР, как агрессора, да в 45 некому было.
vonBuchen 5 months ago 2
@vonBuchen Моё первое сообщение было ответом товарищу lagen65, слабо знакомого с историей России. Прочтите его, и поймёте о чём был ответ. Возврат того, что вам никогда не принадлежало (восточная Карелия) обычно называется захват, оккупация, аннексия и тп. Карельский перешеек хотя бы входил в Россию с момента завоевания Новгорода до 1918 (только в 1811 перешеек передан Великому княжеству Финляндскому являющемуся частью России).
germash19 5 months ago
@germash19 The isthums (and others) was still a legal part of Finland, had been part of the autonomous grand duchy, and was recognised as part of Finland by the international community and Soviets. Finland did not take part in the siege of Leningrad and Finland allowed the northern railway to stay operational because our leaders knew that no matter what the outcome of the war Russia would still be our neighbour. Not that it matters anymore, Karelia has been ruined so most don't want it back.
randomjesse 5 months ago
@randomjesse Finland participated in the siege of Leningrad, cut northern railway and occupied not only the Karelian isthmus but also territories never belonging to Finland.
Tenzor1976 5 months ago
@Tenzor1976 Nope, when the Russian defences in the isthmus collapsed Finland could've invaded the city, but stopped at the old border and never completed the encirclement. Finland didn't shell or bomb the city. Occupation of isthmus was right thing to do since it was Finnish soil invaded and occupied by Soviets, however occupation of eastern Karelia was not legal or right. Finnish division under German command took part in an attempt to cut the railway, other than that only brief after the new.
randomjesse 5 months ago
@randomjesse Also would be invaded, but the Soviet Armies have prevented. 17000 civil deaths is result of active actions (bombs and shells). The others 600000 have died as a result to passive participation.
germash19 5 months ago
@germash19 Never even tried, because it was goverments politics, not to to participate in greater issues and keep the war local, distinctive from the world war. And there was no bombing from Finnish territory.
PohjolaNorden 4 months ago
@PohjolaNorden Thanks to Finland from hunger killed hundreds of thousands of people. Tell it to them.
germash19 3 months ago
@germash19 Are you braindead?
PohjolaNorden 3 months ago
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@germash19 "Thanks to Finland from hunger killed hundreds of thousands of people"
This is a blatant & twisted LIE! Now, it is easy to say anything, but where's the proof? The fact is the Finns stood at their own border, and REFUSED to attack Leningrad (to Hitler's fuming annoyance).
Nah, Finns had nothing to do with the dead of Leningrad; but they had all to do with the deaths of hundreds of thousands of those who had attacked their peaceful country ILLEGALLY and UNPROVOKED in 1939 & 1944.
obuBBubo 3 months ago
@germash19 "вместе с германцами морили голодом Ленинград"
Nothing together. Let's not forget that these same poor innocent Soviets had tried to occupy Finland just a few months earlier. And that they had bombed 18 Finnish cities without a warning, killed 24000 of the finest of the Nation & robbed 1/10th of its territory, and the 2nd most important City (Vyborg).
Some should appreciate the fact that they didn't take their revenge and attack Leningrad with the Germans (resulting in its demise).
obuBBubo 3 months ago
@obuBBubo The fact that the finns "didnt take their revenge" and killed a lot of civilians of Leningrad really should appreciate.
germash19 2 months ago
@germash19 And how did they kill those "a lot of civilians of Leningrad"? By attacking the city by land, sea, and air. None of that.
The well-known FACT is, to Hitler's repeated requests and to his great annoyance, Mannerheim REFUSED to attack the city by crossing the the old border facing it.
You've been blurting that notion of yours for some time now; it's time for you to put up (produce the evidence) or shut up. Dig it. Repeat: How did they kill those "a lot of civilians".
We are waiting...
obuBBubo 2 months ago
@obuBBubo It is a pity, that you don't even know the cause of the death of the inhabitants of Leningrad.
germash19 2 months ago
@germash19 In the siege on Leningrad the amount of civilians killed by Finns is countable with your fingers as history is written by the victor which in WW II was Russia who left the mark on history books worldwide stating that every accounted for civilian death was due to bombardment or hunger. Finns only had a small amount of infantry there so every bombardment kill was by Germans (some 5000 of those) and starvation while supply lines were cut (450 000+).
ZeroIsMany 1 month ago
@germash19 Poshil ti v zhopu, okupant sranij!
Juris79 3 months ago
@Juris79 Если вам нечего сказать, зачем писать комментарий?
germash19 3 months ago
@germash19
watch?v=Q5gS8HedUMk "Виктор Суворов - о блокаде Ленинграда"
В 1939 году СССР первым напал на Финляднию в первый раз, а 25 июня 1941 года - опять же первым, но уже во второй раз. Просвещайся, совок...
uglyducklingUPA 3 months ago
@uglyducklingUPA 25-го у Финляндии появился повод для объявления войны СССР с целью оккупации территории соседнего государства, у СССР 22-25 числа таких поводов было достаточно, об этом можно и в финских источниках прочесть, и весьма подробно, в отличии от товарища Суворова В..
germash19 3 months ago
@uglyducklingUPA Резуноид детектед!!!
clibanoforos 3 months ago
@clibanoforos Буденовка не жмет? А революционные "галифе" и красные подштанники с 1991 года хоть раз менял, краснозвездный ты наш...?
uglyducklingUPA 3 months ago
@uglyducklingUPA По русски писать сначала научись без ашибок...
clibanoforos 3 months ago
@clibanoforos Наркоман "штоле"? Где ошибка то, пролетарий?
uglyducklingUPA 3 months ago
@clibanoforos
но рюске язык же для свиней...
Calebmex 2 months ago
@uglyducklingUPA +100!
Grigoriy137 3 months ago
@germash19 1. Finland didn't really participate in the Siege of Leningrad. It is true that Finland did cut off the railways. 2. The concentration camps to Russians weren't meant to kill any Russian. Their meaning was to jail up many Russians and later trade them to Finnish speaking people living in or jailed by USSR. 3. Finland didn't really attack against USSR in Continuation War. The army of Finland followed pretty much recommanditions of Churchill.
ZuuPuuH 3 months ago
@germash19 В конце-концов сдали же нацистам Киев, Минск, Одессу, и что? А вот в Питере надо было держать блокаду и уморить несколько сот тысяч человек только из-за.. из-за чего? Из-за показателей? Из-за архитектуры? Да вы ёбнулись, что ли?!! Кутузов сдал Москву, чтобы сберечь людей и дать решительный, реальный отпор. И даже ее сжег.
А Жданов со Сталиным - нет. Хрен вам. Пусть все сдохнут, но город не сдадим.
Людоеды.
realLavsky 2 months ago
@realLavsky Человек грабил другого, но тот стал сопротивляться и грабитель его убил. По вашей логике суд должен посмертно осудить действия жертвы, не позволявшей себя грабить, и препятствующего самым "благородным" действиям грабителя. Ну а Ленинград ни германцы, ни особенно финны кормить не собирались. Сельхоз продукция окрестностей не покрывает потребностей города, и в случае сдачи погибло бы большинство жителей.
germash19 2 months ago
@germash19 Здесь есть знающие люди или хотя бы вменяемые? В песне Молотова сравнивают с Бобриковым. Кто это такой Бобриков?
BRONDIV 2 months ago
@BRONDIV Бобриков, Николай Иванович – в 1898—1904 генерал-губернатор Финляндского княжества. Подробнее, думаю, сами найдёте в сети.
germash19 2 months ago
@germash19 Спасибо и Вам, и финнам. Теперь буду знать кто такой этот Бобриков. А вот по поводу гибели большинства жителей Ленинграда в случае сдачи его немцам, не могу быть уверен. Кормить бы их ни кто не стал, но и голода на оккупированных территориях не было. Но я не слышал что бы народ сам хотел сдаться.
BRONDIV 2 months ago
@lagen65 Первый раз слышу, что они отстояли свою землю. Все, что хотел СССР от них, то и получил.
Synoptic68 6 months ago
@player002Ru That's nice to hear. Thank you. Politicians need to open this subject as they did in 50's and 60's. Many times it was "close" to have a result and succeed for this subject. Paasikivi and Kekkonen got many very positive answers but as many times Soviet leaders said, now it's not a good time but in the future. I hope our generation can fix this open wound, I bet both countries want to have a closure for this issue even Putin or Medvedev are not who will make it. I bet so.
tupakki 7 months ago
@tupakki I do not think returning Karelia to Finland would benefit anyone. It would be very expensive to modernize Karelian infrastructure and Finns are already in debt.
pedarikarhu 6 months ago
@pedarikarhu Of course it would benefit. What makes you to say it wouldn't? First of all, it would benefit people who are living there.Their life isn't as good as we could think so. It would also benefit all of those Finns who would want to move there and own land. Especially all of those Finns who are descend of Karelian evacuee. Getting lost Karelia on Finnish leven would take a lot of money,indeed. Finland has paid to Russia 1990 - 2011 already 320 million euro.Has it been worth?
tupakki 6 months ago
@tupakki The main problem is money. Finland is already in dept, and roughly said the Karelia that we know now is a shithole compared to modern Finland. I do not think it is worth the money to modernize Karelia just so the descendants of Karelians could move back there. And many of those descendants do not really crave to move back there.
Sure it would benefit those who really want to move back there, but i do not think its worth the money.
And what about the modern russians who live there?
pedarikarhu 6 months ago
@pedarikarhu Finland has debt but which country wouldnt be. It doesnt change the fact that Finland is repairing and building roads, houses etc. in Finland. Finland could still be in depts and repair Karelia. Karelia wouldnt only take money, in a time, Finland would also get money from Karelia. Actually quite many would want to move to Karelia if it would be a part of Finland. Few years ago gallup was made. I can dig the numbers if zou want.
Modern Russians could stay or move if they would want.
tupakki 6 months ago
@tupakki Just because we are in debt and constantly will be, doesnt mean that we can freely spend more.
I still do not believe in the Karelia project. case closed.
pedarikarhu 6 months ago
@pedarikarhu Opinions are opinions. For you it might be closed. For many, including myself, it won't until those lost areas are returned to Finland. I can also say that this subject is very close to me because my family lost their land to Russia. I want that justice will be served and right owners get their land back. Including my family.
tupakki 6 months ago
@player002Ru It's pretty much impossible to forget when you can see the outcome of WW2 everyday. I am meaning those areas that Finland lost first after Winter War and then finally by Parish peace treaty. If Russia would return those areas back to Finland. There would be more trust between our countries. Now many Finnish people can't trust to country which is still occupying Finnish land. Still it's nice to hear you think as you wrote, Finnish people don't have anything against people like you.
tupakki 7 months ago
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Vadsee 7 months ago
@ZanG1957 я все народы уважаю,а те которые появились спонтанно в 15-16 веке не воспринимаю как народ,люди просто обманывают себя под давлением общества..........логически понимать суть вещей тебе не дано в данной теме,продолжай мыслить предрассудками и догадками-жаль что правды этим не добьешься никогда.
Vadsee 7 months ago
@ZanG1957 ты расист или нацист я толком понять не могу.
Vadsee 7 months ago
@ZanG1957 ну и придумка из области дегенератства.....пусть тогда москаль будут и финны и шведы и татары все....это веть придумка.
Vadsee 7 months ago
@ZanG1957 ахахах....вот с этого момента и начилось разделения народа,после издание этой книжицы...только вот из-за произношения и диалектов в языке нации не появляются,исключенье украина в мире,но этому придет конец я уверен в этом.
Vadsee 7 months ago
@ZanG195 мои предки именно казаки,ростовские и запорожские,писали знаю-но антропологически разницы нет,это как немец и австриец,или англичанин и австралиец разницы никакой .......тебе незнакомо понятие.....Сталина Украине дал огромную часть земли на западе,вы должны его боготворить.
Vadsee 7 months ago
@ZanG195 обьесни мне что такое Москаль,поскольку я был в севастополе,донецке подобного ни от кого не слышал......а ты кто тогда если я например москаль)ахахах..москаль бред какой-то.
Vadsee 7 months ago
@ZanG1957 а про твою страну отдельно скажу,многие друзья живут у меня там......и они говорят и я знаю,что всему виной в нынешнем положении раздела,сыграла роль немецкая разведка-именно она придумала вымышленную нацию украина совместно бывшими поляками......ты этим горд ,я знаю.
Vadsee 7 months ago
@ZanG1957 я с ростова,мои родственники с давних пор живут здесь,никаких стосовок как ты представляешь никогда у нас не было,но про конфликты различные какие были южнее в турции например,судить не имеет смысла.........почему ты так про кавказ завылся.....если так пошло возвращайтесь в польшу-ваш округ галиченский,чтоб восстановить историческую справедливость.....а твои выводы насчет кто получил с полна в каких то расчетах,идиотизм...во всех странах были неудачи и удачи от военных до экономических
Vadsee 7 months ago
@ZanG1957 у тебя крыша едет явно......не удивлен что ты с галичины,польско-литовский никчемышь.
Vadsee 7 months ago
@ZanG1957 на кавказе кровь не проливается,меньше сми левые слушай.
Vadsee 7 months ago
@ZanG1957 Все цивилизации той поры и нынешней захватывали разные народы и земли.....например англия пол мира имела,франция,испания,сша и причем уничтожали поголовно народы,были и такие случае...обвинять беспочвенно одну взятую страну.
Vadsee 7 months ago
кацапам всегда не хватает для счастья немножечко земли. При этом они свято верят, что несут большое счастье тем народам которых приходят грабить. А на своей земле они никак порядка навести не могут, потому что не хотят работать а хотят нести всем народам счастье на штыках.
ekzho4oadm94p 7 months ago
Molotov cocktail !!!Hahaha !
bearlearnpiano 8 months ago
САМЕ ПРАВЛЯЧА національність РОЗВ"ЯЗУЄ ВІЙНИ,а гинуть потім ВСІ .ОКРІМ ПРАВЛЯЧОЇ СВИНОТИ!!!
19ShAmAn86 8 months ago
@ZanG1957 Дибила кусок,на войне национальности не существует...погибали все,а не отдельно взятые люди.
Vadsee 8 months ago
6:1 against Sweden! Congratulations, unbelievable.
DuseikaLT 8 months ago
3:0! greetings from Lithuania
DuseikaLT 8 months ago
Ei venäläiset ole ikinä suudelleet meitä, tai suoraan sanottuna keitään naapureitaan. Mitä nyt eivät ole kylmän sodan jälkeen painostaneet ja tehneet vaatimuksia yhtä tiheään, ja viime aikoinakin ollut draamaa esim venäjän teettämistä puutulleista, viranomaisten vaatimuksista venäläispentujen suhteen sekä tuotteiden tuontikielloista, mutta tää on jo offtopiccia.
Iso syy miks mä vetoan historiaan on että vetoan ihmisiin järjellä jotta saataisiin nuoltua haavoja nimenomaan rauhanomaisin keinoin.
ZimoP 9 months ago
venäjän ja suomen pitäisi pystyä elämään rauahassa ja sovussa. Mutta se tulee tapahtumaan vasta kun venäläiset lopettavat katsomaan suomalaisia nenänvartta pitkin ja pitämään itseään herrain rotuna. Suomessa niin moni asia paremmin esim. vähemmin köyhyyttä. Kaikki kunnia sotiemme veteraaneille ja älkää hyvät ihmiset myykö maatanne karvalakeille kunnes he eivät myy maataan meille.
bergtyson 9 months ago
Karjala on osa Suomea.....Viipuri on ollut kaunis kaupunki, mutta nyt rapistunut, raiskattu ja kuoleva! Vitun ryssät... opetelkaa edes pyyhkimään perseenne
Maguel83 9 months ago
@Maguel83 vittun fynska
HomoCallidus 9 months ago
@Maguel83
viipurista jaa kohta hajokivet vaan...
monta kymmenta hystoriallisia rakennuksia on hajolla...
kaupunki ei tee yhtaan mitaan.
neuvostoliiton aikaan hystoriallinen osa viiruria on ollut paremmassa kunniossa, kuin nyt!
budjetti menee viipurilaisen formulakuskin tuentaan. semmoista....
SpbGennady 9 months ago
Joo! Vahva kappale! Mutta
Suomen valtio palautti lanteen pakenevia Suomen ihmisia takaisin neuvostoliittoon....
Netissa nyt kovia kehumaan suomalaisia olivat suista kiini , ettei kavisi toista sotaa.
Siis olitte muutuneet suomi- ryssiksi. Muistan kun autoissa ollut maan tun nus "SF" . Mita tarkoitti - Soviet Finland. XD
SpbGennady 9 months ago
@SpbGennady
obuBBubo 9 months ago
Vyborg is Russia, and this question is closed forever! You've been punished for your cooperation with Nazi Germany and your greed
AlexRussman 10 months ago
@AlexRussman Haha you're so brainless!
Finland needed Germans help to recover THE LANDS WHAT YOU MONGREL BASTARDS STOLE FROM US!
Russia sucked and still sucks.
kaahaajaFIN 9 months ago
@kaahaajaFIN
It's well known fact that Hitler promised whole Karelia and Kola peninsula to Finland
AlexRussman 9 months ago
@AlexRussman Eh..? It isn't? Give me a link to realiable source where you got this information.
kaahaajaFIN 9 months ago
@kaahaajaFIN
Generalplan Ost
AlexRussman 9 months ago
@AlexRussman "It's well known fact that Hitler promised whole Karelia and Kola peninsula to Finland" Is that so??
We KNOW he promised yous, half of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland and parts of Romania. And you ACCEPTED his offer, and duly went after your promised booty, but FAILED in claiming Finland as per the pact.
"Whole Karelia" always belonged to Finnish tribes, not Novgorodians. It and Kola (if true what u say) should be given to Finns for 100 000 killed by Russians 39-44.
obuBBubo 9 months ago
@AlexRussman
And when will Russia make amends for its lust over finnish/estonian/latvian/lithuanian/polish lands?
Stalin divided them with Hitler, Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
Russia has through history been a state of opportunistic imperialism. First their "freeing" their orthodox brothrs in faith, then "slavic kinship" in WW1 with Serbia, in WW2 it was about "freeing proletariat from capitalism", so on. You call us greedy, but its ALWAYS been russians who have taken from others.
What a NERVE.
ZimoP 9 months ago
Great! Reagan put some ass to the Russian face again.
Kissinpoika 10 months ago
Great somg! As far as I know , it has also an original Russian translation for propaganda purposes among Red Army. Had it ever been sung in Russian by Matti Jurva?
It's the most idiotic, bloody and useless war ever, started by Stalin. Вечная память погибшим финским и русским солдатам! Russia and Finland are two sisters, regardless of all nasty historical facts!
ashtreebg 10 months ago
Here is some observation on the uniqueness of the moment the song was written. It happened in 1942, at the zenith of Hitler's offensive against USSR, and before the Stalingrad. Hence we see a lot of bravery and threats to send Molotov and other Soviet leaders beyond the Ural mountains.
tarimdarya 11 months ago
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Tomhetted 11 months ago
Kekeke, I just like that and see how severe the Finnish guys throw Molotov cocktails into gigantic tripods and tanks with the nuclear-powered, "Ivans" growth in the three-meter, in caps with ear-flaps, drinking liters of vodka, armed with nuclear balalaika. And of course, bear cavalry, ready to break all along the way:)
DmitryFrolov1 11 months ago
Thank you Poland. Now we should understand the difference between Nazi and German. Two different things. Nazis had very slight influence here in the North. Germans, on the other hand, had more, especially in the crucial battle for Carelia, in which the front line was halted, precarioiusly. With help from the Luftwaffe the Russian advance was made impotent. It was then that Stalin shifted his intrerests to the South. Please study history. Only the truth can get us anywhere.
Kissinpoika 1 year ago
Suomi, greets from Poland!
ZEZE11115 1 year ago
Pakko myöntää että aika tarttuva biisi 1940 luvun hitiksi :)
wiluzkishow 1 year ago
Et kai luule Tomhetted, että suomalaisiet noin vain unohtavat kärsityn vääryyden? Ole rehellinen ja vastuullinen. Vastustakaamme sotaa ja koettakaamme palauttaa normaalit suhteet. Allekirjoittaneen omat sukulaiset karkotti Puna-armeija Vuoksen rannoilta v. 1939.
Kissinpoika 1 year ago
@Kissinpoika Meillä on hyvä ilme - sodassa kuin sodassa (На войне как на войне). Sota on AINA väärässä.
Tomhetted 1 year ago
@Kissinpoika Oikeassa olet. Suomen tulisi myös neuvotella menetettyjen alueiden kohtalosta ja tulevaisuudesta. Minunkin isovanhemmat perheineen joutuivat lähtemään laittomien rajasiirtojen vuoksi. Olisi se niin hienoa vielä saada suvun maat takaisin.
tupakki 1 year ago
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Long live the Communists!!!
swdynamis 1 year ago
Long live the Communists!!!
swdynamis 1 year ago
@swdynamis Lol. Communists failed if you didn't know that.
Karpaneen 11 months ago
I am Russian. Communists were betrayed by the government, but we are still alive and we wait for our hour.
swdynamis 11 months ago
@swdynamis Communism and socialism just don't work in real life. The workers are lazy and stuff. Thats why Soviet Union's finances dropped and Soviet Union had to fall.
Karpaneen 11 months ago
You are right. because of it the society must be reformed. no one can't disagree that idea of Communism is very good and that is one of the best ideas in the world. the problem is to realise it and introduce it into life. all problems are politics and society.
swdynamis 11 months ago
Да, победили мы в этой вынужденной, бессмысленной войне, ценой потерь втрое больших чем с финской стороны. Но не сдвинь мы тогда границы Финляндии на 150 км к северу, годом позже немцы, атакуя с финской земли сровняли бы Ленинград с землей, и Сталин знал это. Вечная память советским и финским воинам.
Tomhetted 1 year ago
@Tomhetted Yours is a modern expedient and face-saving version of how things went down. But not a true one as such. For, it's a well-established fact that, Stalin's plan was to occupy all of Finland, and that he FAILED to do so 1939 (and 1944). Now, he had his 150kms in March 1940; yet, he sent Molotov to Berlin in September 1940 to ask Hitler if he could take care of "unfinished business in Finland". So, "buffer zone" theory is sheer crap.
obuBBubo 11 months ago
@Tomhetted And also, your "won the war" is rather hollow to say the least. Only reaching the summit can be called a "victory"; else it's termed as a "failed attempt". Now, Khrushchev called it a "defeat". Moreover, even if Russians reached their Helsinki objective, could the conquest by a nation of 150 million over a nation of 3 million be called a "victory". Not at all. It's like an adult beating up a child. Joke is that Russians failed to do even that (uraa to all smiling children!!)
obuBBubo 11 months ago
@obuBBubo I see you're very proud of the small but very independent Finland. Maybe you're right that in Stalin's plan was to subordinate Finland. And may not be right. Well, then, that we needed to protect the territory of Leningrad by Hitler's attack is an indisputable fact. By the way, everything can be settled peacefully and without casualties. But the Finns have behaved provocatively, conducted joint exercises with the Third Reich right near the border with the USSR.
Tomhetted 11 months ago
@Tomhetted No maybes. Multible undeniable facts leave no room for maybes. For example, did the Soviet troops get lost in the snow storm, or what were they doing at Raate? Were they establishing a 150kms zone around Leningrad, or what? Nah, their orders were to reach Oulu, and cut Finland in half, so that no help could come from the north. Buffer zone talk is nothing but sheer crap. Even if it was true (which it isn't of course), it would've been ILLEGAL to do so.
obuBBubo 11 months ago
@Tomhetted "But the Finns had behaved provocatively, conducted joint exercises with the Third Reich right near the border with the USSR."
What are you talking about! That is an outright LIE! At the time of the Soviet attack, Adolf and Joseph were whispering secrets into each other's ears. And the Georgian Moe toasted Hitler and Germans in Moscow like a crazy man. Also, the Germans supplied weapons to USSR to fight against Finns, and USSR supplied raw materials to Nazis right till 1941.
obuBBubo 11 months ago
And the conditions for peaceful solution to the problem have been very acceptable to the Finnish side. But apparently, Hitler promised something Finns in exchange for the loyalty of Finland to the Third Reich. And for you, dear I advise to watch less television, and trust to more adequate sources. You are zombied your government, which believes that Russia is a Mordor and the Empire of Evil, unworthy to possess the resources that she has. Wake up! Rissian is not USSR, and we are other people.
Tomhetted 11 months ago
@Tomhetted "And the conditions for peaceful solution to the problem have been very acceptable to the Finnish side. But apparently, Hitler promised something Finns in exchange for the loyalty of Finland to the Third Reich."
What garbage can did you fish this out of ?
In 1939, it was yous whom the Nazis promised the world for their friendship. And it was yous who with their help had occupied a part of Finland. In 1941, your former ALLY promised weapons to get it back.
Put horse before the cart.
obuBBubo 11 months ago
U have no proof of your words. But i have of mine. If u are interested in i can link it to u PM. Till that I've had enough. I'm tired of this senseless conversation and your limitations. See wider. I have already said that in Soviet times we were allowed a lot of mistakes but in the case of the Winter War we have chosen lesser of two evils. By the way I'm often in Finland and I know many Finns who share my point of view and it is for me a much more authoritative than naked aggression, dude.
Tomhetted 11 months ago
@Tomhetted No proof. Right. No Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania, Finland. No naked land grab by the two Moes, Adolf &Joseph. You chose Nazis as your partner, and then came to do the Baltics on Finland. Well, they were no fools.
Next time when you go to fi, visit Raate (I understand there's a Russian memorial there as well), and ask yourself, "what were they doing in here?! did they get lost in the snowstorm? Also watch "1940 Deaths in the Karelian Forests" (and The Soviet Story).
obuBBubo 11 months ago
@Tomhetted That's not true. Not Finns believe in stories like that. You can't find any tusted historians from Finland who would share same thoughts than you are. If there is some Finnish individuals, they are very lost. Even new generation of Russian historians are not thinking as you are. What you are saying is like from deepest Soviet times. Not true at all.
tupakki 11 months ago
@Tomhetted Дружище, они правы. С этим согласны большинство наших историков, и даже наше смутное правительство придерживается этой точки зрения. Напал Сталин и напал без оснований и провокаций.
FlowerCrownOfPoppy 11 months ago
Kyllä, me voitimme tämän pakko, mieletön sota, jossa hinta menettää kolme kertaa suurempi kuin Suomen puolella. Mutta jos emme siirrä Suomen rajalla 150 km pohjoiseen, vuotta myöhemmin saksalaiset hyökkäävät päässä Suomen maata rikki pommitettu Leningradin ja Stalin tiesi sen. Eternal muisti Neuvostoliiton ja suomalaisia sotilaita.
Tomhetted 1 year ago
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Kilowat1000 1 year ago
Stupid wars and fucked politicans... ((( Russia and Finland must live in peace and friendship! Without stereotypes and negative memories! Long live to Finland, respect from Russia!
solboy100 1 year ago 59
@solboy100 As long as Russia has finnish land it will be basically almost impossible. Russia should return those land that they don't really need and then we would be able to build friendship on solid base. Would you if you would be in charge?
tupakki 1 year ago
@solboy100 That is exactly how it used to be!
MrSuurijohtaja 10 months ago
@solboy100
Sure, ofc, absolutely! Let's live in mutual friendship rainbow sunshine happiness for all time.
When the wrongs have been righted and Russia answers for its crimes, WW2 or otherwise.
Before that happens, speeches of solidarity among nations are naive fallacy at best, and hypocritical bullshit at worst.
Love peace as anybody but I can't bring myself to believe that we are equal and even with Russia, as a political entity you have hurt us too much. And im not referring just to WW2..
ZimoP 9 months ago
@ZimoP today 201* ... wakeup!! Who must to answer for crimes??? They all dead... maybe few people 100+ years old alive... look at the future!
You know the chaos theory? Maybe your parents or you was burn bacause any crime happend in 193*? Don't think about that? I know what i'm product of WW2... My parents would never met without that war...
solboy100 9 months ago
@ZimoP Toivottavasti ny voin suomee jätkälle puhua. Kai sä tiedät kuinka tyhmää on itkeä historian perään? Oon tavannu kymmeniä toisen maailman veteraaneja, kaikki on antanut anteeksi venäläisille koska ei se ollut hei'än vika edes. Stalinia saa syyttää ihan rauhassa, ei venäläisiä. Sit taas pitää muistaa että kyllä ne jotakin hyvää on tehny suomelle, valtas meiät ruotsilta jos ei olis tätä tapahtunu oltais mahdollisesti ruotsin pikku neitejä. Tiedäthä sä sen et Venäjä suutelee suomen pyllyä nyt
Tonzai2002 9 months ago
@Tonzai2002
Juu tiedänhän minä että se on pragmaattista pitää välit rauhallisina suurvallan kanssa jne. mutta venäjän vuosituhantisia veritekoja suomensukuisia vastaan en silti hyväksy. Kato miten paljon osa venäläisistä itkee historiasta ja haukkuu meitä fasisteiksi kun puolustettiin omaamme tai pyrittiin turvaamaan suomen asemat. Mitä nyt siihen sotaveteraanien mielipiteisiin tulee niin kyllä sinne katkeria mahtuu, varsinkin entisiä karjalaisia jotka kärsi rauhan seurauksena eniten.
ZimoP 9 months ago
@Tonzai2002
Se on totta että Stalinhan se diktaattorina aloitti tämän sodan ja perusneuvostolaisen piti totella tai tulla teloitetuksi mutta karjala on nyt venäjällä, ja siis hyötyy väkivalloin otetusta maasta. Sitten suomen aseman vahvistumisesta että kummiskin ne oli ne suomalaiset sivistyneet jotka tätä kansallista projektia hiellä ajoi. Nationalismi oli yleinen aate 1800-luvun euroopassa ja mikään ei sano ettei se olisi pullahtanut suomeen vaikka oltaisiin pysytty ruotsissa kiinni.
ZimoP 9 months ago
@Tonzai2002 sä puhut asiaa että ei se ollu venäläisten vika.juu tavallaan totta tavallaan väärin.jos venäläiset ois vihannu ja halunnu lopettaa sodan suomen kaa nii ois potkinu stalinin pihalle.ei 2000 000 solttua pärjää koko muulle valtiolle oli niillä aseet tai ei.ja suomalaiset vihaa venäläisiä niiden röyhkeyden takia kuten kauppa jonossa etuilu,paska ajotapa liikenteessä jne.talvisota on vain tekosyy sille vihalle
juhotheonehanded 9 months ago
@juhotheonehanded Vai on talvisota tekosyy? Mikäs vitun kommari sää oot? Venäläiset on aina ollut paskaa kansaa ja tulee aina olemaan, "Kuollut ryssä paras ryssä".
peepertti 8 months ago
Tän alkuperäsen nimi on muut niet molotoff solistiyhtye teki olman versionsa njet molotoff
TheRiksu98 1 year ago
LOng live peace under the Red FLag!
Glory to the Red Army!
Slava Krasnaja Armija!
easternshock 1 year ago
@easternshock
you fuckin idiot
red are fools
smash the reds befor too late
deprawator828 1 year ago
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