If porn was really then porn would promote healthy relationships between men & women and it would promote healthy sex also but that's what you don't see in porn at all.
Oh c'mon just let her do whatever she wants to. Every woman, if shes 18 or 30, should have the right to do porn, if she feels like doing it. And maybe she is too young to realise what shes actually doing to herself and her body but that is no reason to treat her this disrespectful.
It's funny that the pro-porn people always accuse the anti-porn people of being judgmental but they themselves are the ones being judgmental toward the anti-porn people. If porn was truly sex on camera then it would promote healthy relationships between men & women & healthy, but those are the two things that don't exist in porn at all & it does a lot more damage than any fast food restaurant.
this video pisses me off because they didn't bring sasha and her manager onto the show to hear their views, they brought them on the show to present them to the public and play to the simpering masses who are too braindead to come up with their own thoughts.
Sasha is a dirty disgusting woman. Women should not belittle themselves. People talk about music videos and girls shaking their ass saying how wrong those girls are. This takes the cake though because she thinks she's perfect and isn't doing anything wrong. By the time she's 40 shes going to be alone and washed up. No man will respect her or ever marry her because a decent man would never want something like that. She is disgusting and a disgrace to woman, my opinion.
@RachelMicheleMoretti Oh get over yourself....you don't know her and at the end of the day shes gonna do whatever she wants getting paid pretty highly as well.
It's funny that some people are accusing Tyra of not being objective but they have not refuted anything that Tyra or Dr. Drew have said. They are doing the very thing they're accusing Tyra of.
Such a frustrating video to watch. The introductory voiceover gives you an idea of how opinionated this piece is going to be.
Sasha has stated she wants to do porn because she wants to make it more interesting. She acknowledges the money as a bonus, but she is not comparable to a 14 year old prositute and a fat ex-stripper/prostitute/pornstar.
Watch 9 to 5: Days in Porn, watch the interviews with Sasha and realise she's doing what she wants, without dealing with Tyra's superiority complex.
What complete and utter bull this show is! All they are actually saying is that girls like Sasha should be shamed into not doing what they want to do.
@Saifistan no, they are arguing that sasha is not fully aware of what she is doing, this is why they decided to book her. her manager however argues that she has the brain of a 31 year old and this makes her aware. tyra responds by inviting someone who changed their mind to see what is different about sasha. sasha claims that she is 'positive', or personal etc...
tyra explicitly stated that she is not there to judge her and that this was because it is legal.
@TheBluePianist Thank you for taking the time in responding to my comment.Bringing up the topic about awareness and mental ability,I am actually really surprised about how well spoken and thought out Sasha Grey is when she answers Tyra,she seems highly intelligent and aware for her age.There is nothing objective about this show.Tyra would not show her personal opinion if there were, but then again this is entertainment and far from any academic work.Hence, the use of the word bull from my side.
Sasha is 18 and is already so lifeless. I could never imagine doing what she does, or even wanting to. People that enjoy sex on camera with multiple strangers have mental issues. Not to be judgmental, because I do feel sorry for them. People don't understand what these women go through and is should not be called the "Adult Industry" because there is nothing adult-like or entertaining about it. People are being degraded, and so is love.
Y'all are discusting. Porn is so so so bad, sex is made to be a beautiful thing for a married couple, not to be taped and selled or watched by others. She wouldn't be on this show if it wasn't bad. Our media is so caught up in self feelings that even kids at extremly young ages have lost their virgenity and there are unwanted pregnancys and it drives people mad and makes them depressed! Porn is a sin and is pure evil, if you disagree then you a messed up.
This is so ridiculous. The porn industry is AN INDUSTRY. They are they to make money, that's just how it is. Just like McDonalds makes money and thrives off of cheap, unhealhty food. You may not agree with eating it, but it's not your right to tell me whether I can or not. Also, Tiana's arguments are invalid due to her sexual history. Everyone's story is different they both came into the industry under different circumstances. Sexual expression is healthy when it's your choice.
omg a manager for a pornstar isn't a pimp.. he's just like any other manager who deals with booking their clients!!! like Actors have managers too soo are they too pimps cuz they too make off money just the same. This show is so biased and manipulative! I just started watchign Tyra but this shows me a new side of her.. someone who is judgmentaly and not so compassionate and understanding at all :(
It's funny that guys who watch porn say that porn is great but at the same time most of them would honestly admit that they not date or marry a female porn star because the majority of porn stars end up with an STD, most porn stars are addicted to drugs & alcohol, & men know the type of conversation they would have with their mothers & they would talk their daughters out of doing porn if their daughters told them that they're doing porn.
So the fuck what? Learn to live with the fact that people will do what they want no matter how it makes you feel. If it feels good to that person, then it's not wrong to THEM, and since they are "only hurting themselves". THEN IT'S FINE. GET. OVER. IT.
That child obviously has some very deep issues, and so do all you people who are defending her and saying its "just sex". No such thing as just sex. I guess just sex is the reason why millions of people all over the world are infected with HIV/AIDS among other stds. The wages of sin is death.
@tavern2468 Yeah, sometimes I feel that certain industries like this bring out the worse in people. I'm very receptive to body language, which almost makes me prejudice to anyone who puts off bad vibes. Sasha Grey here is the same way as her manager.
she HIRED him how the fuck is he her pimp are you kidding me??? this whole interview was a joke. he is no pimp... i hate people who try to bash what the spent half they life doing its STUPID.... your mad cause you made the wrong decision based on insecurity.... why does she have to be torn or abandoned to do what she likes... i swear tyra you are a scumbag for treating this girl as if she is being manipulated by this man...there will always be porn... GET OVER IT!!!
That doctor, Tyra and the lady on the couch can go lick a toilet seat. Maybe Sasha just likes the things she's doing. It's just sex on camera. Sex is not a big deal. It's only a big deal because people make it out to be.
Sex is not a big deal because the media protrays it that way. All the sex scense on t.v. influences a child or young adults prospective of it. Thats why you see teen pregnacy and teens are losing their virginities in a young age and some also become pornstars like sasha.
Well think about the Block buster movies that show "sex scenes" in their movies. Fake or not, there is all types of different messages behind the display of sex on screen. The rape scene on Precious and the sex scene on Matrix Reloaded, both different messages of pain and love. I'll admit the porn industry is a dirty business. But the world today as evolved and been shaped through the power of acceptance and change. “The world is a tapestry of many colours and patterns” - Suleiman.
@caramelking0693 Get your facts straight. There's a slight difference or two between sex and porn that promotes gangbangs, paedophilia/incest, violence towards women, choking and licking toilets.
@caramelking0693 Guess I know who's going to bed tonight with a box of tissues and vasoline. In your book 2 adults eating shit is fine, because hey they're grown up.
@caramelking0693 IT IS big deal. "it's just sex on camera?" why dont you go visit slubben channel and see if your point of view and your other 47 likers still think the same."
@Silliesunflower I just stumbled on this video and I do think it is quite absurd when people wish to judge other actions when they are not hurting anyone else. Liberty is the right to do with ones life what they wish despite the opinions of others, so I would say say that most people would agree with the statement. It is sex on camera, perhaps it makes you uncomfortable but I think the fact that our tax dollars are spent blowing up kids across the world is much worse.
@caramelking0693 you must be a man because no girl/woman thinks sex isn't a big deal, and the girls who pretend it isn't are just sleeping around with everyone to get noticed
@caramelking0693 yeap, keep on talking, why does it come with so much pain, hurt, heartbreak then... no. just no. many people have your mentality and it's just SAD. "just sex on camera" okay honestly, it is DISGUSTING. me, and peoplee i know, would feel disgusting by doing that, despite how society is caring less and less.
@caramelking0693 and you've obviously spent many lonely nights watching this girl on screen which is why you're speaking up for her. too bad you can't spend all those nights with someone you're in a committed relationship with. smh honestly you people are just losers
Damn, unbelievable. So many likes... but you know its not even surprise; the porn industry is BIG. All the losers who come here; sex on camera is normal blabla, not a big deal. What the fuck...yeah its so normal that you could watch it with your little kids. Pfff what society we live in. Money plastic sex, fake shit.
But you know, the average person is not smart at all, so im really not surprised by all these foolish comments here. What a shame.
@caramelking0693 they're right, she's degrading herself on so many levels.. and you will never get the position she is getting her self into, she will never be able to live a normal life,and you don't care because you just enjoy watching it on the screen, (like giozrockin said),this is just so pathetic it hurts...no hate needed btw.
Here are those references: Sagarin et al (2009) of the Northern Illinois University found that BDSM could bring people's relationship closer together (there are lots of very loving acts when BDSM is done properly). Connolly et al (2006) found lower instances of mental disorders in people who practice BDSM. Richters et al 2005 found in a study of 20 000 people that BDSM could make people happier and people who partake were no more likely to have suffered sexual trauma. There are other studies...
@bigmike5989 I read the Flood paper. It's the only one I could find on the internet. It was very well put together with a lot of new research. His point is something I've always agreed on - Pornography should be kept away from kids. He also draws some conclusions that are only harmful depending on your viewpoint, like 'pornography led to an increase in anal sex...' (and other ideas like that). Some of these things aren't necessarily bad if they're consentual and mutually enjoyable.
Let's talk a little bit about Dr Cline's paper. His paper is from 2001. He lists 42 references in his paper. Of them, 5 (11.9%) were from the 1960s, 9 (21%) from the 70s, 24 (57%) from the 80s, and 8 (19%) from the 90s. That makes the most of his research around 30 years old or older. Also, out of his references, 23 (54%) were from reputable journals, 15 (35%) from not necessarily unreputable but not peer-reviewed sources, and 4 (9.5%) from special interest groups.
@skyjumper999 There are other researchers have come to the same conclusions as Dr. Cline. Not only have these research papers were published this year, they also cited other within the last 10 years. The papers by William Mays, Michael Flood, Robert Peters & the papers they cited in their own research are current & up to date. Even if I never read Dr. Cline's paper, you haven't proven your case.
@bigmike5989 What exactly is 'my case' mike? What am I trying to prove? I never said that porn is completely harmless, but I am trying to balance your 'let's ban porn' view with other sides of the story. If you refuse to look at them, that's not my problem, it just makes you look biased. And here you go again with 'research' from interest groups. Is that the same Robert Peters who works for Morality In Media? When will you realize that you need to take research from scientists, not priests?
@skyjumper999 You did say that the "Blogs, testamonials, stories, interest groups" that I mentioned "are more or less worthless", you are in fact admitting that porn is harmless even though you didn't used those exact words. Just because Robert Peters is a Christian don't mean that his conclusions are wrong & he is a attorney & a former teacher, not a minister. The fact you never read his bio proves that you're being bias.
@bigmike5989 I don't understand how you are connecting the dots the way you do. How exactly do I admit that porn is harmless by saying blogs etc aren't research? I used 'priests' as a euphamism to encompass 'interest groups'. I shouldn't have since you obviously mistook it. I did read his bio. Can we stop picking on wording and stick to the substance of the debate? I am obviously not biased or I would not have found some common ground in Flood's paper (which did not come from interest groups).
Linz et al. (1988) found violent nonsexual depictions were more likely to lead to calloused attitudes toward rape victims than sexual or pornographic depictions. This flies in the face of some of Zillman and Bryant's findings. Other problems with laboratory research into aggression and how it may apply to real life are summed up quite well by Childress (1991). Lack of punishment, ethical inability to produce real violence and lots of other interesting factors can cloud research into aggression.
@skyjumper999 Both Dr. Linz's report doesn't contradicts the report of Drs. Zillman & Bryant, he was just researching non-violent porn & they were researching violent. There are other papers that prove that both violent & non-violent porn leads to an increased callousness towards women. The contradiction don't exist.
@bigmike5989 Let's remember one thing, Mike. This is a concept you really need to get a grip over if you ever want to seem like a credible source of knowledge. The findings of a paper rarely ever 'PROVES' anything, ESPECIALLY in social studies like the ones you mentioned. Emotions, feelings, attitudes etc are VERY hard to quantify, and are different in the laboratory than in real life, so you find contradicting data and the results change drastically with different study design.
I.E. your research does not PROVE other research wrong any more than other research does not PROVE yours wrong. They are just differing results. You can make inquiries into experimental design to question the validity of someone's work (which scientists welcome) so you can have better studies in the future. You then have to take ALL those results and put them together to see what the puzzle looks like. Blogs, testamonials, stories, interest groups etc are more or less worthless in real research.
@skyjumper999 But the stuff you mentioned have anything I said & there is no real connection between them & porn & you try to make the facts fit your theory. They don't explain away the data that I mentioned. You're implying to me that "I don't care what the evidence say, I'm going to using data that's unrelated to the topic to back." That's not logical or responsible research.
@bigmike5989 How is it unrelated? I cited the Copenhagen study and later studies that explain descrepencies in the original one, that still found sex assaults declining from legalizing porn, I gave background data on how the brain works (esp. when exposed to porn) from Stanford University and the book I cited. I refuted your views on BDSM with the bible of psychiatric literature - DSM V, plus I showed you how you how you have used some of your research out of context, or read too much into it.
Look into the work by University of Copenhagen's Berl Kutchinsky. He studied pornography in Denmark over a 25 year period. His findings go along with the British Inquiry into obscenity and film censorship that see rates of sex crimes declining in the years after pornography becomes widely available. Compare this with findings from Japan and it seems to hold true cross-culturally that availability of porn correlates with decreasing sex crimes.
@skyjumper999 What he actually said is that, "There were no unofficial changes in the handling by police of those sex crimes that remained, which also reduced their 'reported' incidence." He was saying that the sex crimes in Denmark were not being reported by the police, that's not a decrease in sex crimes. Soyou're reading something into his paper that doesn't exist.
@bigmike5989 Go to nationmaster(dot)com and look up rape rates per capita. If you exclude the countries that have Sharia Law or massively trample the civil rights of their citizens, you'll find interesting results. Look at rates of rape in countries like those in the EU where the laws on pornography and the social conventions on nudity and sex are FAR more progressive. Much lower than the US. I will try to find longditudinal studies as well.
@bigmike5989 Ummm.. What? Did you actually read the paper? He found a direct corrolation with the legalization of hardcore porn in Denmark, Sweded and Germany resulted in reduced rates of sex crimes. I can see you're still taking references from Cline's paper. The original Kutchinsky study and later studies also corrected for 'reporting readiness' of sex crimes to screen for unreported incidents and he STILL found sex crimes in general on the decline, so no, I'm not reading anything into it.
@skyjumper999 If you're going to say that the stuff that Dr. Cline cited is outdated, you're have to include Dr. Kutchinsky's papers is outdated also because they were published in the decades you mentioned.
@bigmike5989 However they were the best example in the last 50 years on how large scale legalization of porn effects society. There hasn't been an opportunity to repeat an experiment of that scale since, so it remains the best research to date. Have you read the laterinvestigations where they work to explain the discrepencies in the first paper and it still comes up as reducing crime (especially against children)? There have been more recent examples of most of the stuff Cline talks about.
Sexologist Milton Diamond, Ph.D., a professor at the Burns School of Medicine at the University of Hawaii, on porn in Japan: "It is certainly clear from the data reviewed that a massive increase in available pornography in Japan . . . has been correlated with a dramatic decrease in sexual crimes and most so among youngsters as perpetrators or victims."
@skyjumper999 I have looked over his paper you mentioned, it's either the majority of the things he cited is either outdated or it's not backed up that by the facts.
@bigmike5989 If by 'not backed up by the facts' you mean it conradicts other research, you prove how biased your viewpoints really are. If you are taking certain research as 'facts' and using it to disprove other research then you haven't the slightest idea of how to use research-based thinking to form an unbiased opinion. Contradictions in research are everywhere, that doesn't make any of the findings wrong! The only 'fact' here is that this research didn't find what you wanted it to.
Also, speaking to your studies on erectile dysfunction... Are you familiar with the biological processes involved in having an erection? Do you know that erections are facilitated by the parasympathetic nervous system, which is involved in relaxation? You said a group of college students in one of your cases showed higher than average ED. Did you know that 60% of ED is stress-related? Do you think the constant stress in college students of papers and exams could be throwing off the results?
@skyjumper999 You haven't explain why the number of ED cases in male college students who watch porn, as high as around 25%, is higher than the case of male college students who don't watch porn, which is usually under 1%.
@bigmike5989 Could porn be a coping outlet for stressed students? Masturbation has effects in stress-relief, so could a poorly coping student new to adulthood, university life, assignments and adult responsibilities be using it for that? Porn is easily available, socially acceptable and could be a method for these students to get lost in fantasy and relieve their worries. Perhaps the students who don't watch porn have better coping skills for stress? Have you asked yourself those questions?
This EX-pornstar still has MAAAJOR issues. She doesn't have it all figured out. Not even with the industry. Mainstream media is so contradicting its pathetic. In one part of this show tyra was against the age of her boy friend. Check out the age gap between Jay-Z n' Byoncé. Damn near 20yrs difference. But "HOLY SHIT SHE DOES PORN!!!!" GTFOH!
im so glad this women is telling the two girls that their choice are destructive, no girl should go through the stages of wanting to be abused and thinking its okay
There is an age of consent for a reason, because that's a legal landmark that society agrees on after which a person is allowed to decide what happens to their life. That goes for the people who view porn just as much as those who decide to act/model. Porn actors and consumers are adults who are making their own choices. Porn isn't harmful. What IS harmful is the judgement and distain that people like you (the creator of the video) apply to others who are living their lives the way they want to.
@skyjumper999 The facts are not on your side when you say that porn isn't harmful. Dr. Victor Cline, for example, treated 300 people for sex addiction & have found that in each case that porn was a factor to their addiction. Plus divorce lawyers have seen a sharp increase in divorce due porn, becoming one of the main reasons why people are getting divorce.
@bigmike5989 When discussing addiction, the 'drug of choice' isn't what makes an addict. There is a wealth of evidence to suggest genetic factors are involved, as well as issues like emotional trauma. Just because the drug of choice in the 300 cases is porn, that doesn't mean that they wouldn't have been addicted to something else if porn didn't exist... they probably would be (a phenomenon known as cross addiction). Stop blaming porn for a disease that predates it by hundreds of years.
@skyjumper999 A lot of people who are porn addicts came from normal families & they end up seeing a copy Playboy from a friend or they found a stack of pornographic magazines & movies from someone in their family (father, other brother or cousin) & end up becoming an addict. There have been people who had their career, family, & reputation ruined because of porn. Plus you have to why there have been an increase in divorce because of porn within the last 15 years. Your argument is very weak.
@bigmike5989 My argument is based on science, observation and reason. As far as addiction goes porn is not to blame. The brains of addicts are wired differently. There is probably a genetic or developmental cause to it since we can observe the process of addiction in primates other than humans. People addicted to porn (I.E. their drug of choice) would probably become addicted to other things given the chance. Again, do some research on addiction before you blame porn for an age old disease.
@bigmike5989 The fact is that not everyone watching porn becomes an addict. If porn's so addictive how can that be, begging the question why do certain people become addicts and others don't? It's much more to do with the how brains of the individuals watching porn are wired than with the porn its self. We can observe differences in the brains of addicts vs non addicts who've been exposed to the same amount of stimuli (drugs, gambling etc). Stop blaming porn. It is the symptom, not the disease.
@skyjumper999 Drs. Zillmann & Bryant did a study & in that study they have written that prolonged use of non-violent porn people are less satisfied sexual performance, affection, & appearance, & other researchers have come to similar conclusions in their writings, so your argument is a stretch.
@bigmike5989 Anyone can stretch findings of studies to support their argument, but I don't think you're looking at it objectively. You bring up the chicken and the egg debate, which came first, the porn or the sexual dissatisfaction? Are these people using porn as an escape from an already unsatisfied sex life? Did any of these studies observe a change in people over time starting from no porn use to frequent porn use or are they simply polling people who've already watched lots of porn?
@skyjumper999 (continue): Gary Wilson, who is a science teacher, finds a connection between porn & erectile dysfunction. He's not just talking about guys in their 50's, there are guys in their 20's, even teenage boys, who watch porn are suffering form erectile dysfunction. Men have wrong view of women & sex when they view porn a regular basis, as a result, men don't treat women with respect. I read a story of a school senior who let a girl who was his best friend use his computer.
@skyjumper999 (continue): She found porn on his computer because he didn't delete it, as a result, they're not friends anymore. A poll of mental health professionals taken by Drs. M. Lipkin & D.E Carnes, 254 psychotherapists found that porn contributed to a sex crime, anti-social act, or personality disturbance. Women who date guys who porn say consistently that sex isn't good, & they don't feel good about themselves.
@bigmike5989 OK, so Gary Wilson 'who'se a science teacher' found a connection with regards to porn and ED. Was it a controlled study? What peer-reviewed journal was it published in? "I read a story of a school senior who....' You seem like a smart guy, you don't need me to tell you that your story that you read is hardly the pinnacle of a scientific discovery. A poll of psychotherapists is also a stretch scientifically because it may be clouded by their views, and it fails to study any patients.
@skyjumper999 There was a study that was done by Northwestern University in 2006 of the connection between porn & erectile dysfunction among college aged men & they have found that 13% of those who were interviewed for study said they experienced erectile dysfunction & 6% said they had been using ED medication. Both numbers are not normal because college aged men suffer who ED who don't watch porn is less than 1%. Based on you're last sentence here, you're letting your bias get into the way.
@bigmike5989 I think you need to look into analytical scientific thinking so you can tell bias apart from logical reasoning. My using reasonable questioning to determine validity of the studies you cite does not constitute bias. As for the ED study, what other factors were involved? What was the level of health of the applicants polled? Family history? Mental health? How many people were studied? What medical journals are these studies you cite published in? Are they peer-reviewed?
@skyjumper999 Gary Wilson got his information from the McKinsey Institute. View Gary Wilson's video called "Erectile Dysfunction & Porn" it's divided into five parts.
@bigmike5989 Do you mean the Kinsey Institute? Again, you should probably make sure you know what you're talking about before you misspell the biggest name in the history of human sexual research. I will watch the video and see what he has to say... and while I'm doing that, why don't you look into some of the findings in the original Kinsey reports? You might find them interesting. More studies like them were going to be done but the religious lobby screamed until they got the funding pulled.
@skyjumper999 Just because I misspelled a word doesn't mean that Gary Wilson is wrong in ED in male college student who watch porn. College counselors & professors have also confirmed that college age men are suffered ED. Psychiatrist Keith Brodie said that 25% of students that he counsels suffers from ED. Robin Sawyer, who is an Associate Professor at the University of Maryland, said that as it relates to porn that it's turned into ED in men you normally wouldn't think would have ED.
@bigmike5989@bigmike5989 Your misspelling 'Kinsey' doesn't mean that other people are wrong, it just shows how little you actually know on the background of the topic you're preaching. You can look all day for the harmful effects of porn and find things to support your views, but unless you have some background knowledge in research, psychology and neurology to see all sides of the story, your opinions won't be balanced and unbiased. Your heart's in the right place, just be a little objective.
@skyjumper999 I look at research papers, books & websites that fit the facts that say porn is harmful. You haven't used the things I have mentioned to refuted anything I have said. You the one who isn't being objective here.
@bigmike5989 Exactly as I thought, you are looking for research to support your agenda. That screams of a lack of objectivity. I have been objective by looking at both sides of the stoty (even read that paper you cited). I have spent a long time in the past learning about neurology and neurodevelopment. Your views on everything form BDSM to porn are narrow minded, you clearly haven't made an effort to see both sides. You lack the background in science. Have you even tried to see other opinions?
@skyjumper999 The researchers I have mention do have the background that you mention, so I'm basing what I say on mere opinion but I'm going were the evidence leads. I'm being narrow-minded, as you claim, but I'm being objective.
@bigmike5989 Thank you. You just said it all. Your self-admitted narrow mindedness negates all objectivity. How can one be narrow-minded and objective at the same time? The 2 are opposites. If all you are looking for is research to support your opinions, you'll never find the research that counters it, and different research often comes to opposite conclusions. If you use an unscientific mindset to argue a scientific argument, you'll lose every time. You seem nice, just try to see other sides.
@skyjumper999 Your being more narrow-minded than I am because you're accusing of me & you haven't say anything to refute the things I have mentioned. Before use accuse me of anything, mention something that actually backs your argument.
@bigmike5989 Perhaps you didn't actually read the posts where I cited examples. That research refutes what you are saying. Have you read DSM V yet? The Brain That Changes Its Self? Why don't you check out the Behavioral Biology course from Stanford University, that should give you some good background to actually know what you're talking about. How about looking into social science research methods and challenges (something which you have demonstrated a profound lack on knowledge in).
@skyjumper999 I have read it but "THE BRAIN THAT CHANGES ITSELF" & the APA's new definition on DSM haven't proven that S & M is safe & harmless. This is an example of you trying to making the facts fit your theory.
@bigmike5989 Oh you read it did you? What chapter talks about porn then? And the definition of sexual sadomasochism isn't 'new', it's 40 years old. It stands to reason that if BDSM was dangerous and caused severe personal consequences, it would be regarded in the same way as addiction etc. The fact is that people who like to be kinky now and then are not 'sick' 'wrong' or 'abnormal' just because they don't fit into society's view of what they should be. The APA realized that became progressive.
@skyjumper999 You're operating under a double standard because you expect me to look at both sides but you haven't made any efforts at both sides. You have asked me for information, you don't take it seriously & you have made arguments that's bias with no evidence to back it up with. You're using the facts to fit your theory but what you should do is to let your theory fits the facts. Go where the evidence leads.
@bigmike5989 No double standard here, man. I read your research, I don't question it because I'm being biased, I have good reasons to question it and the conclusions you draw from it... reasons that I've been very open with you about. There is some serious peer reviewed research in what you've provided, but it takes findings for what they are. 'Some people' having 'some problems' with exposure to porn does not provide enough of a case medically to infringe on civil rights by banning porn.
@skyjumper999 This is where double standard exist, you want to mention some unbiased information & when I do, you say that the information that I mentioned is questionable & you say that I'm "narrow-mind" & I'm not being objective & that I should look at both sides, when you doing the very thing that you're accusing me of.
@bigmike5989 When I say you're not being objective, it is because you catagorically dismiss any research I give you as if it doesn't exist. I have read the research you have given me, and I take the reputably referenced research for what it is and so should you. Also, I am not biased when I tell you that you use a great deal of your research out of context. Studies of murderers, rapists etc are only valid if you're comparing them to other murderers or rapists, not the general population.
@skyjumper999 What I'm saying is that nothing that you mentioned doesn't line up with the facts because they're unrelated to the topic were talking about.
@bigmike5989 A lot of CLINICALLY NORMAL PEOPLE engage in BDSM! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM! THAT'S WHY DSM V DOESN'T LIST THEM AS HAVING ANYTHING WRONG! Murderers and rapists etc are FULL of disorders of the right frontal lobe which is increasingly being investigated by researchers as an explanation for why they commit crimes. That is why you can't compare them to clinically normal, law abiding people who are into BDSM! You can't compare the 2! One group is SICK and the other is JUST KINKY!
@skyjumper999 Men who are in prison for different sex crimes, including rape & rape related murders, did admit that they watch porn & that porn was a contributing factor to the crimes they committed. And based on police reports, dairies, photgraphs, psychiatric reports, trial transcripts, & other documents related to their crimes, a lot of the things the criminals did in their crimes are similar to the things done in S & M.
@bigmike5989 You're no doubt correct that those criminals did those things, but what I'm trying to say to you is that there is a very big difference between rapists and murderers, and the vast majority of normal, healthy people who participate in BDSM, respect others and lead regular lives. You can't generalize that they are all unhealthy because some sadistic criminals do things that are similar to BDSM. I have some research and articles for you to read about BDSM that I hope will enlighten you
@skyjumper999 The fact is that S&M is harmful there is data to prove it, you just refuse to believe it & that the majority of people who engage 8in S&M have suffered some type of trauma in their childhood.
@bigmike5989 and I hate to keep bringing this up, but after repeatedly asking you over and over to please provide the research you claim to have about no variation of individual preferences in BDSM, or even research about most people suffering childhood trauma, you still have failed to provide any whatsoever (except for a study of serial killers where their crimes are thought to imitate BDSM).
@skyjumper999 The reason why I'm saying there's a similarity between the actions of rapists & the people who engage in S&M is to show that the activities S&M is harmful, that's it.
@bigmike5989 This is why I have been trying to tell you that you"re using your research out of context. 2 similar activities do not prove the same motivations for those activities. Most people in BDSM (me included) would be disgusted by the idea of really raping someone. There is research to support consentual BDSM is beneficial to relationships, and to support that there is in fact LOWER instances of childhood trauma in people who practice BDSM. I posted them, I don't konw why it's not showing?
@skyjumper999 (continue): These two scholars are not Christians. There are Christian & non-Christian scholars are noticing the same trend in male college students.
@skyjumper999 The psychotherapists who took part in that poll were basing what they said on the patients they were treating in a clinical setting in this regard. Either they found harm related to porn that I made mention of or they suspected it, so they were not being bias nor was their views clouded.
@bigmike5989 What you just said is a perfect example of how findings can be clouded by opinions of the people polled. Therapists 'suspecting' porn was involved in a patients' conditions is an obvious situation where bias can't be ruled out. There are also way too many variables in a study like that. Mental conditions are very variable and causes cab be hard to pin down. By what mechanism was porn suspected to contribute to those disorders? Would they have had the disorders anyway without porn?
@bigmike5989 I commented on this but I guess it didn't go through. OK, your above statement is EXACTLY what I meant about the outcome of a study being clouded by too many degrees of seperation and not enough data. The therapists 'either knew or suspected'... what percentage of them knew vs suspected? Could their suspicions have been wrong? Could there have been other causes to these disorders? To what degree did porn contribute? Would they have had the disorders anyway without exposure to porn?
@bigmike5989 I read it. It is not a scientific paper, it is an opinion piece and as far as I can tell it is unpublished in any scientific journal. It has too much speculation, anecdotal reports and old science to hold a lot of weight as a paper on its own. One thing I do agree with (which I've also verified in other research I've done on brain development) is that children should not be exposed to porn due to the neuroplasticity at that age. That's why porn isn't sold to minors. Problem solved.
@skyjumper999 You're first sentence showing me that you're letting your bias get in the way because you haven't counter anything that's in Dr. Cline & that you're implying to that you're not going to take seriously the information I recommend to you in the different books & research papers.
@bigmike5989 Since you CLEARLY can't discern the difference between a scientific paper and an opinion piece, I'll help you. A study that compares other studies on similar topics and presents the findings in an objective way is called a meta analysis. This paper was neither a meta analysis nor publishable by any reputable journal... which is probably why IT WASN'T PUBLISHED! Looking at the individual studies cited, most report some people having some problems... not inevitable harm to everyone.
@skyjumper999 Just because you say that his paper wasn't published doesn't mean that his paper is based on a false conclusion, but the question is this: Is Dr. Cline's paper based on the facts? Well based on other research papers & peer review journals, the answer is yes. You haven't used any book, peer review journal, or anything that was published to counter Dr. Cline's paper, but you say that his paper isn't reputable.
@bigmike5989 Remember, I said that since the 70s, the DSM has removed sexual sadomasochism as a disorder in all but the most extreme cases where it seriously negatively affects the participants. They recognize most people engage in BDSM without negative impacts. The DSM is the gold standard of psychiatric diagnostics, written using a combination of very reputable research worldwide, and used by psychiatrists worldwide. Us that enough of a peer-reviewed reference for you? Read it then talk to me.
@skyjumper999 But you haven't mention any researcher, book, or research paper. It's one thing to say the things you're saying but it has to be backed up by the facts, something you haven't done. The things I have said isn't mere I basing what I say on the actual research
@bigmike5989 OK, we'll go over this again the DSM aka DIAGNOSITCAL STATISTICAL MANUAL OF PSYCHIATRIC DISORDERS is a book (I didn't thing I had to specify that since you're obviously an expert so you should be able to recognize the abbreviation). In fact it is THE book of psychiatric diagnostics used all over the world. It contains combined research from all over the world. Read its section on sexual sadomasochism then we'll talk. Do you understand now? I hate having to repeat myself.
@skyjumper999 I'm being very objective because I'm basing what I say on the evidence. Based on your questions, you're letting your bias get in the way.
@bigmike5989 My questions are not biased, they are normal and acceptable wuestions that any scientifically minded person could and should ask. Science is supposed to be skeptical of findings. Science is all about asking questions and finding the answers to them. Science should try to find fault in the designs of studies or the selection of participants, so no my questions aren't biased. How can a question be biased anyway? It's answers that are biased, not questions.
@skyjumper999 I'm looking at how you ask the questions & the fact you have said things like "OK, so lets assume what you're is accurate & unbiased science." That tells me that you don't take what I presented seriously & I come to the conclusion that you're letting your bias get in the way of the facts that the researchers have found.
@bigmike5989 You bring up the chicken and egg debate. Which came first, the porn or the sexual dissatisfaction? Are these people using porn as an escape from an already unhappy sex life? Do they feel something is missing from their relationsips? Did these studies you cite (assuming they're from credible peer-reviewed scientific sources and not special interest groups) observe a change over time in subjects starting with no porn use movig up to frequent porn use? Try to be more objective.
@skyjumper999 Researchers, both conservative & liberals, are very consistent findings I have made reference to. They are based on clinical case history, field studies, & experimental laboratory types studies. Their conclusions contradicts everything you said. Drs. Jennifer & Burton Schneider wrote in a paper that men who watch porn have a unrealistic expectations about their sexual relationship with their wives & they consistently suffer from erectile dysfunction.
@bigmike5989 OK, so let's assume what you're saying is accurate and unbiased science. What would you have the government do about it? Would you have them ban pornography? What kind of message is that saying to people when the government steps in and tells them what they can and can't do with their own bodies? Would you want to live in a society that dictates on those terms? I wouldn't.
@skyjumper999 I look at how racial discrimination was made illegal in America, people spoke out against it & they went to the government & racial discrimination was made illegal as a result. As far as your third question, female porn stars don't have any say-so as far as what happens to on a porn set because a lot of them have told porn directors or producers when they were doing a rough porn scene but they keeping the scene anyway.
@bigmike5989 Racial discrimination and porn are apples and oranges. To tell consenting parties what they can and can't do with their own bodiessets a very dangerous legal precedent, just the same as telling others they can't watch it if they choose to. Racial discrimination leaves the discriminated race no recourse. It is biased and unfair. Female porn stars DO have a say. They can say no, and if the scene continues, it's called rape. There are other jobs out there, no one's making them do it.
i bet every single person in this video has watched porn, yet they all sit there and judge, someone has to do it, i bet when they are sat there masterbating they don't give a second thought to the porn stars life, and i hate the way that tyra tried to imply that sasha WAS sexually abused and is clearly in denial???? im usually a fan of tyra but not in this vid
some of you ppl are the dumbest ppl I will ever see on youtube my entire life. I think everyone is bound to hypocracy everyone thinks just becuz I have jesus as my youtube name imma saint wrong read what proverbs 31 is and look up the definition lost Im just as much a sinner as the next person.Porn is wrong women dont get it twisted some of you support what your man is doing but let it take up your time and watch how you cry like a baby what for you said it was ok. Now he made porn his love.
Some people say that porn is good thing for married couples. But porn does not promote marriage nor does it promote a healthy sexual relationship for married couple. Women have admitted when they included porn into their sex lives with their husbands, things just got worse, not better.
julia bond on jerry springer is way better than this
xOldxSchool 1 day ago
I find it hard to believe that the blonde lady was ever in porn...
Everincon 2 days ago
If porn was really then porn would promote healthy relationships between men & women and it would promote healthy sex also but that's what you don't see in porn at all.
bigmike5989 4 days ago
Sasha Grey kinda looks like Megan Fox.
Rc1023 5 days ago
@Rc1023 not really but their both the sexiest women i know (they exist, not knowing them in RL :D)
exwowler3 4 days ago
Oh c'mon just let her do whatever she wants to. Every woman, if shes 18 or 30, should have the right to do porn, if she feels like doing it. And maybe she is too young to realise what shes actually doing to herself and her body but that is no reason to treat her this disrespectful.
Nicolaaayy 6 days ago
Bottom line is, these ladies did porn, one just hasn't realised whatever she's supposed to realise.
rachiebabe232 6 days ago
It's funny that the pro-porn people always accuse the anti-porn people of being judgmental but they themselves are the ones being judgmental toward the anti-porn people. If porn was truly sex on camera then it would promote healthy relationships between men & women & healthy, but those are the two things that don't exist in porn at all & it does a lot more damage than any fast food restaurant.
bigmike5989 2 weeks ago
this video pisses me off because they didn't bring sasha and her manager onto the show to hear their views, they brought them on the show to present them to the public and play to the simpering masses who are too braindead to come up with their own thoughts.
StubblyVlog 2 weeks ago 2
The fun think is that there are lots of Tyra Banks.....
GuidDaweey 2 weeks ago in playlist Fler videoklipp från AntiPornographyBlog
one sentence: respect people's decisions and don't judge.
PinkJellyfishJuice 3 weeks ago
@PinkJellyfishJuice You are making a judgement call when you say that.
bigmike5989 2 weeks ago in playlist videos
Sasha is a dirty disgusting woman. Women should not belittle themselves. People talk about music videos and girls shaking their ass saying how wrong those girls are. This takes the cake though because she thinks she's perfect and isn't doing anything wrong. By the time she's 40 shes going to be alone and washed up. No man will respect her or ever marry her because a decent man would never want something like that. She is disgusting and a disgrace to woman, my opinion.
RachelMicheleMoretti 3 weeks ago
@RachelMicheleMoretti Oh get over yourself....you don't know her and at the end of the day shes gonna do whatever she wants getting paid pretty highly as well.
OriginAlyssa56 3 weeks ago
@RachelMicheleMoretti sasha has the right to whatever she wants too!
regardless if you feel disgusted by what she does, then don't watch her scenes!
she might different from you but that dosen't make her less of a woman.
be a little progressive, please.
bunnykingIII 2 weeks ago
It's funny that some people are accusing Tyra of not being objective but they have not refuted anything that Tyra or Dr. Drew have said. They are doing the very thing they're accusing Tyra of.
bigmike5989 1 month ago in playlist videos
Such a frustrating video to watch. The introductory voiceover gives you an idea of how opinionated this piece is going to be.
Sasha has stated she wants to do porn because she wants to make it more interesting. She acknowledges the money as a bonus, but she is not comparable to a 14 year old prositute and a fat ex-stripper/prostitute/pornstar.
Watch 9 to 5: Days in Porn, watch the interviews with Sasha and realise she's doing what she wants, without dealing with Tyra's superiority complex.
mattznz 1 month ago 4
@mattznz thank you for saying this
therabbitprince 2 weeks ago
What complete and utter bull this show is! All they are actually saying is that girls like Sasha should be shamed into not doing what they want to do.
Saifistan 1 month ago
@Saifistan no, they are arguing that sasha is not fully aware of what she is doing, this is why they decided to book her. her manager however argues that she has the brain of a 31 year old and this makes her aware. tyra responds by inviting someone who changed their mind to see what is different about sasha. sasha claims that she is 'positive', or personal etc...
tyra explicitly stated that she is not there to judge her and that this was because it is legal.
are you even watching?
TheBluePianist 1 month ago
@TheBluePianist Thank you for taking the time in responding to my comment.Bringing up the topic about awareness and mental ability,I am actually really surprised about how well spoken and thought out Sasha Grey is when she answers Tyra,she seems highly intelligent and aware for her age.There is nothing objective about this show.Tyra would not show her personal opinion if there were, but then again this is entertainment and far from any academic work.Hence, the use of the word bull from my side.
Saifistan 1 month ago
why tiana took so...........long to realise that p@rn is bad after she had done with so.......many d#@ks
RCAeromodeling 1 month ago
i lost any respect i had for tyra banks after watching this, dr drews a boss tho
crazydude980 1 month ago
Sasha does not do porn anymore she did it for a couple of years, now she does some acting and is extremely rich
MissTruthRed 1 month ago
Sasha is 18 and is already so lifeless. I could never imagine doing what she does, or even wanting to. People that enjoy sex on camera with multiple strangers have mental issues. Not to be judgmental, because I do feel sorry for them. People don't understand what these women go through and is should not be called the "Adult Industry" because there is nothing adult-like or entertaining about it. People are being degraded, and so is love.
LitterBoxScandals 1 month ago
Y'all are discusting. Porn is so so so bad, sex is made to be a beautiful thing for a married couple, not to be taped and selled or watched by others. She wouldn't be on this show if it wasn't bad. Our media is so caught up in self feelings that even kids at extremly young ages have lost their virgenity and there are unwanted pregnancys and it drives people mad and makes them depressed! Porn is a sin and is pure evil, if you disagree then you a messed up.
hannahbelle77 1 month ago
@hannahbelle77 You're right when you say that there is nothing good about porn.
bigmike5989 1 month ago in playlist videos
@hannahbelle77 I couldn't have agreed with you anymore.
sugarsweetiiepie 1 month ago
This is so ridiculous. The porn industry is AN INDUSTRY. They are they to make money, that's just how it is. Just like McDonalds makes money and thrives off of cheap, unhealhty food. You may not agree with eating it, but it's not your right to tell me whether I can or not. Also, Tiana's arguments are invalid due to her sexual history. Everyone's story is different they both came into the industry under different circumstances. Sexual expression is healthy when it's your choice.
khathinlining 1 month ago
She doesn't dress like that WTF? Why is she dressing like a preppy school girl?
690169 1 month ago
omg a manager for a pornstar isn't a pimp.. he's just like any other manager who deals with booking their clients!!! like Actors have managers too soo are they too pimps cuz they too make off money just the same. This show is so biased and manipulative! I just started watchign Tyra but this shows me a new side of her.. someone who is judgmentaly and not so compassionate and understanding at all :(
CrazySaiko 2 months ago
Could they BE any more patronizing and closed minded toward Sasha. That's fucking ridiculous.
TheWinterm00n 2 months ago
It's funny that guys who watch porn say that porn is great but at the same time most of them would honestly admit that they not date or marry a female porn star because the majority of porn stars end up with an STD, most porn stars are addicted to drugs & alcohol, & men know the type of conversation they would have with their mothers & they would talk their daughters out of doing porn if their daughters told them that they're doing porn.
bigmike5989 2 months ago in playlist videos 3
lool well look at it now sasha's an over voice for saints row the third.
R3Next 2 months ago
"It's destructive!"
So the fuck what? Learn to live with the fact that people will do what they want no matter how it makes you feel. If it feels good to that person, then it's not wrong to THEM, and since they are "only hurting themselves". THEN IT'S FINE. GET. OVER. IT.
NazoZero 2 months ago
i love sasha grey. she is beautiful and she is an inspiration. she has talented and is going to be famous. do what you want because you can.
johannstiepanilee 2 months ago 4
That child obviously has some very deep issues, and so do all you people who are defending her and saying its "just sex". No such thing as just sex. I guess just sex is the reason why millions of people all over the world are infected with HIV/AIDS among other stds. The wages of sin is death.
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AlltimeTrance 2 months ago
that manager is creepy as fuck......
tavern2468 2 months ago 6
@tavern2468 Yeah, sometimes I feel that certain industries like this bring out the worse in people. I'm very receptive to body language, which almost makes me prejudice to anyone who puts off bad vibes. Sasha Grey here is the same way as her manager.
Agent1W 2 months ago
tyra, i dont like you, your show and the way you treat sasha.
i prefer ellen way more.
chansuetyee 3 months ago 6
she HIRED him how the fuck is he her pimp are you kidding me??? this whole interview was a joke. he is no pimp... i hate people who try to bash what the spent half they life doing its STUPID.... your mad cause you made the wrong decision based on insecurity.... why does she have to be torn or abandoned to do what she likes... i swear tyra you are a scumbag for treating this girl as if she is being manipulated by this man...there will always be porn... GET OVER IT!!!
brooklyn4lyfe36452R 3 months ago 5
That doctor, Tyra and the lady on the couch can go lick a toilet seat. Maybe Sasha just likes the things she's doing. It's just sex on camera. Sex is not a big deal. It's only a big deal because people make it out to be.
caramelking0693 3 months ago 59
Sex is not a big deal because the media protrays it that way. All the sex scense on t.v. influences a child or young adults prospective of it. Thats why you see teen pregnacy and teens are losing their virginities in a young age and some also become pornstars like sasha.
MissJka09 2 months ago
@caramelking0693 sex is meant to be done not watched. You don't care about the affects that it will have on her because you enjoy it on a screen.
GiozRockin 2 months ago 22
@GiozRockin That is a good point.
bigmike5989 2 months ago in playlist videos
@GiozRockin
Well think about the Block buster movies that show "sex scenes" in their movies. Fake or not, there is all types of different messages behind the display of sex on screen. The rape scene on Precious and the sex scene on Matrix Reloaded, both different messages of pain and love. I'll admit the porn industry is a dirty business. But the world today as evolved and been shaped through the power of acceptance and change. “The world is a tapestry of many colours and patterns” - Suleiman.
lulu1night4ever 2 months ago
@GiozRockin Amen!
mpurohit90 2 months ago
@caramelking0693 Get your facts straight. There's a slight difference or two between sex and porn that promotes gangbangs, paedophilia/incest, violence towards women, choking and licking toilets.
logibear22 1 month ago
@logibear22 agreed!
bationnation21 1 month ago
@caramelking0693 I suppose you typed that with one hand?
TheXrizz 1 month ago
@caramelking0693 Guess I know who's going to bed tonight with a box of tissues and vasoline. In your book 2 adults eating shit is fine, because hey they're grown up.
brumbloke 1 month ago
@caramelking0693 Lol I wanna see your mum and sister lick a toilet seat,,Then comment
prince6170 4 weeks ago
@caramelking0693 IT IS big deal. "it's just sex on camera?" why dont you go visit slubben channel and see if your point of view and your other 47 likers still think the same."
Silliesunflower 2 weeks ago
@Silliesunflower I just stumbled on this video and I do think it is quite absurd when people wish to judge other actions when they are not hurting anyone else. Liberty is the right to do with ones life what they wish despite the opinions of others, so I would say say that most people would agree with the statement. It is sex on camera, perhaps it makes you uncomfortable but I think the fact that our tax dollars are spent blowing up kids across the world is much worse.
aristurtle1 2 weeks ago
@caramelking0693 you must be a man because no girl/woman thinks sex isn't a big deal, and the girls who pretend it isn't are just sleeping around with everyone to get noticed
chestoncold500 1 week ago
@caramelking0693 dude you are so right!
ItsLtd 1 week ago
@caramelking0693 yeap, keep on talking, why does it come with so much pain, hurt, heartbreak then... no. just no. many people have your mentality and it's just SAD. "just sex on camera" okay honestly, it is DISGUSTING. me, and peoplee i know, would feel disgusting by doing that, despite how society is caring less and less.
abercrombiegal09 1 week ago
@caramelking0693 and you've obviously spent many lonely nights watching this girl on screen which is why you're speaking up for her. too bad you can't spend all those nights with someone you're in a committed relationship with. smh honestly you people are just losers
abercrombiegal09 1 week ago
@caramelking0693
Damn, unbelievable. So many likes... but you know its not even surprise; the porn industry is BIG. All the losers who come here; sex on camera is normal blabla, not a big deal. What the fuck...yeah its so normal that you could watch it with your little kids. Pfff what society we live in. Money plastic sex, fake shit.
But you know, the average person is not smart at all, so im really not surprised by all these foolish comments here. What a shame.
Masherin 5 days ago
@Masherin it's what I usually say. 90% of the world population are complete retards. If u don't have dignity, moral, values pride, you are nothing
RainboVV3gas 4 days ago
@caramelking0693 they're right, she's degrading herself on so many levels.. and you will never get the position she is getting her self into, she will never be able to live a normal life,and you don't care because you just enjoy watching it on the screen, (like giozrockin said),this is just so pathetic it hurts...no hate needed btw.
originalfakexoxox 4 days ago
Why is there quotation marks around Victorias name?
iluvvejb 3 months ago
I love Sasha Grey!!!
zoranjovicic 3 months ago
Here are those references: Sagarin et al (2009) of the Northern Illinois University found that BDSM could bring people's relationship closer together (there are lots of very loving acts when BDSM is done properly). Connolly et al (2006) found lower instances of mental disorders in people who practice BDSM. Richters et al 2005 found in a study of 20 000 people that BDSM could make people happier and people who partake were no more likely to have suffered sexual trauma. There are other studies...
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@bigmike5989 I read the Flood paper. It's the only one I could find on the internet. It was very well put together with a lot of new research. His point is something I've always agreed on - Pornography should be kept away from kids. He also draws some conclusions that are only harmful depending on your viewpoint, like 'pornography led to an increase in anal sex...' (and other ideas like that). Some of these things aren't necessarily bad if they're consentual and mutually enjoyable.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
Her manager looks like one of those guys who work at a circus who will molest you when youre not looking
Kenmasterpiece 3 months ago 100
@Kenmasterpiece Ya you bet the kinda thnat keeps visiting at your trailer,he looks like a creep
karlbuttler 2 months ago
@Kenmasterpiece LMFAO! He does! He really looks like a creeper.. LOL.
LoveTheCity123 2 months ago
@Kenmasterpiece LMAO!
Anthr0pomorphism 2 months ago
Let's talk a little bit about Dr Cline's paper. His paper is from 2001. He lists 42 references in his paper. Of them, 5 (11.9%) were from the 1960s, 9 (21%) from the 70s, 24 (57%) from the 80s, and 8 (19%) from the 90s. That makes the most of his research around 30 years old or older. Also, out of his references, 23 (54%) were from reputable journals, 15 (35%) from not necessarily unreputable but not peer-reviewed sources, and 4 (9.5%) from special interest groups.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 There are other researchers have come to the same conclusions as Dr. Cline. Not only have these research papers were published this year, they also cited other within the last 10 years. The papers by William Mays, Michael Flood, Robert Peters & the papers they cited in their own research are current & up to date. Even if I never read Dr. Cline's paper, you haven't proven your case.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 What exactly is 'my case' mike? What am I trying to prove? I never said that porn is completely harmless, but I am trying to balance your 'let's ban porn' view with other sides of the story. If you refuse to look at them, that's not my problem, it just makes you look biased. And here you go again with 'research' from interest groups. Is that the same Robert Peters who works for Morality In Media? When will you realize that you need to take research from scientists, not priests?
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 You did say that the "Blogs, testamonials, stories, interest groups" that I mentioned "are more or less worthless", you are in fact admitting that porn is harmless even though you didn't used those exact words. Just because Robert Peters is a Christian don't mean that his conclusions are wrong & he is a attorney & a former teacher, not a minister. The fact you never read his bio proves that you're being bias.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 I don't understand how you are connecting the dots the way you do. How exactly do I admit that porn is harmless by saying blogs etc aren't research? I used 'priests' as a euphamism to encompass 'interest groups'. I shouldn't have since you obviously mistook it. I did read his bio. Can we stop picking on wording and stick to the substance of the debate? I am obviously not biased or I would not have found some common ground in Flood's paper (which did not come from interest groups).
skyjumper999 3 months ago 2
Linz et al. (1988) found violent nonsexual depictions were more likely to lead to calloused attitudes toward rape victims than sexual or pornographic depictions. This flies in the face of some of Zillman and Bryant's findings. Other problems with laboratory research into aggression and how it may apply to real life are summed up quite well by Childress (1991). Lack of punishment, ethical inability to produce real violence and lots of other interesting factors can cloud research into aggression.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 Both Dr. Linz's report doesn't contradicts the report of Drs. Zillman & Bryant, he was just researching non-violent porn & they were researching violent. There are other papers that prove that both violent & non-violent porn leads to an increased callousness towards women. The contradiction don't exist.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 Let's remember one thing, Mike. This is a concept you really need to get a grip over if you ever want to seem like a credible source of knowledge. The findings of a paper rarely ever 'PROVES' anything, ESPECIALLY in social studies like the ones you mentioned. Emotions, feelings, attitudes etc are VERY hard to quantify, and are different in the laboratory than in real life, so you find contradicting data and the results change drastically with different study design.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
I.E. your research does not PROVE other research wrong any more than other research does not PROVE yours wrong. They are just differing results. You can make inquiries into experimental design to question the validity of someone's work (which scientists welcome) so you can have better studies in the future. You then have to take ALL those results and put them together to see what the puzzle looks like. Blogs, testamonials, stories, interest groups etc are more or less worthless in real research.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 But the stuff you mentioned have anything I said & there is no real connection between them & porn & you try to make the facts fit your theory. They don't explain away the data that I mentioned. You're implying to me that "I don't care what the evidence say, I'm going to using data that's unrelated to the topic to back." That's not logical or responsible research.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 How is it unrelated? I cited the Copenhagen study and later studies that explain descrepencies in the original one, that still found sex assaults declining from legalizing porn, I gave background data on how the brain works (esp. when exposed to porn) from Stanford University and the book I cited. I refuted your views on BDSM with the bible of psychiatric literature - DSM V, plus I showed you how you how you have used some of your research out of context, or read too much into it.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
Look into the work by University of Copenhagen's Berl Kutchinsky. He studied pornography in Denmark over a 25 year period. His findings go along with the British Inquiry into obscenity and film censorship that see rates of sex crimes declining in the years after pornography becomes widely available. Compare this with findings from Japan and it seems to hold true cross-culturally that availability of porn correlates with decreasing sex crimes.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 What he actually said is that, "There were no unofficial changes in the handling by police of those sex crimes that remained, which also reduced their 'reported' incidence." He was saying that the sex crimes in Denmark were not being reported by the police, that's not a decrease in sex crimes. Soyou're reading something into his paper that doesn't exist.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 Go to nationmaster(dot)com and look up rape rates per capita. If you exclude the countries that have Sharia Law or massively trample the civil rights of their citizens, you'll find interesting results. Look at rates of rape in countries like those in the EU where the laws on pornography and the social conventions on nudity and sex are FAR more progressive. Much lower than the US. I will try to find longditudinal studies as well.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@bigmike5989 Ummm.. What? Did you actually read the paper? He found a direct corrolation with the legalization of hardcore porn in Denmark, Sweded and Germany resulted in reduced rates of sex crimes. I can see you're still taking references from Cline's paper. The original Kutchinsky study and later studies also corrected for 'reporting readiness' of sex crimes to screen for unreported incidents and he STILL found sex crimes in general on the decline, so no, I'm not reading anything into it.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 If you're going to say that the stuff that Dr. Cline cited is outdated, you're have to include Dr. Kutchinsky's papers is outdated also because they were published in the decades you mentioned.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 However they were the best example in the last 50 years on how large scale legalization of porn effects society. There hasn't been an opportunity to repeat an experiment of that scale since, so it remains the best research to date. Have you read the laterinvestigations where they work to explain the discrepencies in the first paper and it still comes up as reducing crime (especially against children)? There have been more recent examples of most of the stuff Cline talks about.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
Sexologist Milton Diamond, Ph.D., a professor at the Burns School of Medicine at the University of Hawaii, on porn in Japan: "It is certainly clear from the data reviewed that a massive increase in available pornography in Japan . . . has been correlated with a dramatic decrease in sexual crimes and most so among youngsters as perpetrators or victims."
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 I have looked over his paper you mentioned, it's either the majority of the things he cited is either outdated or it's not backed up that by the facts.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 If by 'not backed up by the facts' you mean it conradicts other research, you prove how biased your viewpoints really are. If you are taking certain research as 'facts' and using it to disprove other research then you haven't the slightest idea of how to use research-based thinking to form an unbiased opinion. Contradictions in research are everywhere, that doesn't make any of the findings wrong! The only 'fact' here is that this research didn't find what you wanted it to.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
Also, speaking to your studies on erectile dysfunction... Are you familiar with the biological processes involved in having an erection? Do you know that erections are facilitated by the parasympathetic nervous system, which is involved in relaxation? You said a group of college students in one of your cases showed higher than average ED. Did you know that 60% of ED is stress-related? Do you think the constant stress in college students of papers and exams could be throwing off the results?
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 You haven't explain why the number of ED cases in male college students who watch porn, as high as around 25%, is higher than the case of male college students who don't watch porn, which is usually under 1%.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 Could porn be a coping outlet for stressed students? Masturbation has effects in stress-relief, so could a poorly coping student new to adulthood, university life, assignments and adult responsibilities be using it for that? Porn is easily available, socially acceptable and could be a method for these students to get lost in fantasy and relieve their worries. Perhaps the students who don't watch porn have better coping skills for stress? Have you asked yourself those questions?
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 What I'm saying is follow where the evidence leads, something you haven't done.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
They are crying and bitching about porn, while poverty increases ( BUT THERE ARE SO MANY PLACES TO TURN!) *sarcasm*
PatrolTard 3 months ago
This EX-pornstar still has MAAAJOR issues. She doesn't have it all figured out. Not even with the industry. Mainstream media is so contradicting its pathetic. In one part of this show tyra was against the age of her boy friend. Check out the age gap between Jay-Z n' Byoncé. Damn near 20yrs difference. But "HOLY SHIT SHE DOES PORN!!!!" GTFOH!
Levord1980 3 months ago
the people on this channel commenting<<<<<<<<, nothing is wrong with porn
Wgivens93 3 months ago
when was this interview?
uyngaaa 3 months ago
Look who's in Eminem's music video now?
LoveHateAndSerenity 4 months ago
im so glad this women is telling the two girls that their choice are destructive, no girl should go through the stages of wanting to be abused and thinking its okay
Hailz12211 4 months ago
There is an age of consent for a reason, because that's a legal landmark that society agrees on after which a person is allowed to decide what happens to their life. That goes for the people who view porn just as much as those who decide to act/model. Porn actors and consumers are adults who are making their own choices. Porn isn't harmful. What IS harmful is the judgement and distain that people like you (the creator of the video) apply to others who are living their lives the way they want to.
skyjumper999 4 months ago
@skyjumper999 The facts are not on your side when you say that porn isn't harmful. Dr. Victor Cline, for example, treated 300 people for sex addiction & have found that in each case that porn was a factor to their addiction. Plus divorce lawyers have seen a sharp increase in divorce due porn, becoming one of the main reasons why people are getting divorce.
bigmike5989 4 months ago
@bigmike5989 When discussing addiction, the 'drug of choice' isn't what makes an addict. There is a wealth of evidence to suggest genetic factors are involved, as well as issues like emotional trauma. Just because the drug of choice in the 300 cases is porn, that doesn't mean that they wouldn't have been addicted to something else if porn didn't exist... they probably would be (a phenomenon known as cross addiction). Stop blaming porn for a disease that predates it by hundreds of years.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 A lot of people who are porn addicts came from normal families & they end up seeing a copy Playboy from a friend or they found a stack of pornographic magazines & movies from someone in their family (father, other brother or cousin) & end up becoming an addict. There have been people who had their career, family, & reputation ruined because of porn. Plus you have to why there have been an increase in divorce because of porn within the last 15 years. Your argument is very weak.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 My argument is based on science, observation and reason. As far as addiction goes porn is not to blame. The brains of addicts are wired differently. There is probably a genetic or developmental cause to it since we can observe the process of addiction in primates other than humans. People addicted to porn (I.E. their drug of choice) would probably become addicted to other things given the chance. Again, do some research on addiction before you blame porn for an age old disease.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@bigmike5989 The fact is that not everyone watching porn becomes an addict. If porn's so addictive how can that be, begging the question why do certain people become addicts and others don't? It's much more to do with the how brains of the individuals watching porn are wired than with the porn its self. We can observe differences in the brains of addicts vs non addicts who've been exposed to the same amount of stimuli (drugs, gambling etc). Stop blaming porn. It is the symptom, not the disease.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 Drs. Zillmann & Bryant did a study & in that study they have written that prolonged use of non-violent porn people are less satisfied sexual performance, affection, & appearance, & other researchers have come to similar conclusions in their writings, so your argument is a stretch.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 Anyone can stretch findings of studies to support their argument, but I don't think you're looking at it objectively. You bring up the chicken and the egg debate, which came first, the porn or the sexual dissatisfaction? Are these people using porn as an escape from an already unsatisfied sex life? Did any of these studies observe a change in people over time starting from no porn use to frequent porn use or are they simply polling people who've already watched lots of porn?
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 (continue): Gary Wilson, who is a science teacher, finds a connection between porn & erectile dysfunction. He's not just talking about guys in their 50's, there are guys in their 20's, even teenage boys, who watch porn are suffering form erectile dysfunction. Men have wrong view of women & sex when they view porn a regular basis, as a result, men don't treat women with respect. I read a story of a school senior who let a girl who was his best friend use his computer.
bigmike5989 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 (continue): She found porn on his computer because he didn't delete it, as a result, they're not friends anymore. A poll of mental health professionals taken by Drs. M. Lipkin & D.E Carnes, 254 psychotherapists found that porn contributed to a sex crime, anti-social act, or personality disturbance. Women who date guys who porn say consistently that sex isn't good, & they don't feel good about themselves.
bigmike5989 3 months ago
@bigmike5989 OK, so Gary Wilson 'who'se a science teacher' found a connection with regards to porn and ED. Was it a controlled study? What peer-reviewed journal was it published in? "I read a story of a school senior who....' You seem like a smart guy, you don't need me to tell you that your story that you read is hardly the pinnacle of a scientific discovery. A poll of psychotherapists is also a stretch scientifically because it may be clouded by their views, and it fails to study any patients.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 There was a study that was done by Northwestern University in 2006 of the connection between porn & erectile dysfunction among college aged men & they have found that 13% of those who were interviewed for study said they experienced erectile dysfunction & 6% said they had been using ED medication. Both numbers are not normal because college aged men suffer who ED who don't watch porn is less than 1%. Based on you're last sentence here, you're letting your bias get into the way.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 I think you need to look into analytical scientific thinking so you can tell bias apart from logical reasoning. My using reasonable questioning to determine validity of the studies you cite does not constitute bias. As for the ED study, what other factors were involved? What was the level of health of the applicants polled? Family history? Mental health? How many people were studied? What medical journals are these studies you cite published in? Are they peer-reviewed?
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 Gary Wilson got his information from the McKinsey Institute. View Gary Wilson's video called "Erectile Dysfunction & Porn" it's divided into five parts.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 Do you mean the Kinsey Institute? Again, you should probably make sure you know what you're talking about before you misspell the biggest name in the history of human sexual research. I will watch the video and see what he has to say... and while I'm doing that, why don't you look into some of the findings in the original Kinsey reports? You might find them interesting. More studies like them were going to be done but the religious lobby screamed until they got the funding pulled.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 Just because I misspelled a word doesn't mean that Gary Wilson is wrong in ED in male college student who watch porn. College counselors & professors have also confirmed that college age men are suffered ED. Psychiatrist Keith Brodie said that 25% of students that he counsels suffers from ED. Robin Sawyer, who is an Associate Professor at the University of Maryland, said that as it relates to porn that it's turned into ED in men you normally wouldn't think would have ED.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 @bigmike5989 Your misspelling 'Kinsey' doesn't mean that other people are wrong, it just shows how little you actually know on the background of the topic you're preaching. You can look all day for the harmful effects of porn and find things to support your views, but unless you have some background knowledge in research, psychology and neurology to see all sides of the story, your opinions won't be balanced and unbiased. Your heart's in the right place, just be a little objective.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 I look at research papers, books & websites that fit the facts that say porn is harmful. You haven't used the things I have mentioned to refuted anything I have said. You the one who isn't being objective here.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 Exactly as I thought, you are looking for research to support your agenda. That screams of a lack of objectivity. I have been objective by looking at both sides of the stoty (even read that paper you cited). I have spent a long time in the past learning about neurology and neurodevelopment. Your views on everything form BDSM to porn are narrow minded, you clearly haven't made an effort to see both sides. You lack the background in science. Have you even tried to see other opinions?
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 The researchers I have mention do have the background that you mention, so I'm basing what I say on mere opinion but I'm going were the evidence leads. I'm being narrow-minded, as you claim, but I'm being objective.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 Thank you. You just said it all. Your self-admitted narrow mindedness negates all objectivity. How can one be narrow-minded and objective at the same time? The 2 are opposites. If all you are looking for is research to support your opinions, you'll never find the research that counters it, and different research often comes to opposite conclusions. If you use an unscientific mindset to argue a scientific argument, you'll lose every time. You seem nice, just try to see other sides.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 Your being more narrow-minded than I am because you're accusing of me & you haven't say anything to refute the things I have mentioned. Before use accuse me of anything, mention something that actually backs your argument.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 Perhaps you didn't actually read the posts where I cited examples. That research refutes what you are saying. Have you read DSM V yet? The Brain That Changes Its Self? Why don't you check out the Behavioral Biology course from Stanford University, that should give you some good background to actually know what you're talking about. How about looking into social science research methods and challenges (something which you have demonstrated a profound lack on knowledge in).
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 I have read it but "THE BRAIN THAT CHANGES ITSELF" & the APA's new definition on DSM haven't proven that S & M is safe & harmless. This is an example of you trying to making the facts fit your theory.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 Oh you read it did you? What chapter talks about porn then? And the definition of sexual sadomasochism isn't 'new', it's 40 years old. It stands to reason that if BDSM was dangerous and caused severe personal consequences, it would be regarded in the same way as addiction etc. The fact is that people who like to be kinky now and then are not 'sick' 'wrong' or 'abnormal' just because they don't fit into society's view of what they should be. The APA realized that became progressive.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 You're operating under a double standard because you expect me to look at both sides but you haven't made any efforts at both sides. You have asked me for information, you don't take it seriously & you have made arguments that's bias with no evidence to back it up with. You're using the facts to fit your theory but what you should do is to let your theory fits the facts. Go where the evidence leads.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 No double standard here, man. I read your research, I don't question it because I'm being biased, I have good reasons to question it and the conclusions you draw from it... reasons that I've been very open with you about. There is some serious peer reviewed research in what you've provided, but it takes findings for what they are. 'Some people' having 'some problems' with exposure to porn does not provide enough of a case medically to infringe on civil rights by banning porn.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 This is where double standard exist, you want to mention some unbiased information & when I do, you say that the information that I mentioned is questionable & you say that I'm "narrow-mind" & I'm not being objective & that I should look at both sides, when you doing the very thing that you're accusing me of.
bigmike5989 3 months ago
@bigmike5989 When I say you're not being objective, it is because you catagorically dismiss any research I give you as if it doesn't exist. I have read the research you have given me, and I take the reputably referenced research for what it is and so should you. Also, I am not biased when I tell you that you use a great deal of your research out of context. Studies of murderers, rapists etc are only valid if you're comparing them to other murderers or rapists, not the general population.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 What I'm saying is that nothing that you mentioned doesn't line up with the facts because they're unrelated to the topic were talking about.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@skyjumper999 I comparing the actions of the rapists & murderers to that of those who engage in S & M, not the general population, as you claim.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 A lot of CLINICALLY NORMAL PEOPLE engage in BDSM! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM! THAT'S WHY DSM V DOESN'T LIST THEM AS HAVING ANYTHING WRONG! Murderers and rapists etc are FULL of disorders of the right frontal lobe which is increasingly being investigated by researchers as an explanation for why they commit crimes. That is why you can't compare them to clinically normal, law abiding people who are into BDSM! You can't compare the 2! One group is SICK and the other is JUST KINKY!
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 Men who are in prison for different sex crimes, including rape & rape related murders, did admit that they watch porn & that porn was a contributing factor to the crimes they committed. And based on police reports, dairies, photgraphs, psychiatric reports, trial transcripts, & other documents related to their crimes, a lot of the things the criminals did in their crimes are similar to the things done in S & M.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 You're no doubt correct that those criminals did those things, but what I'm trying to say to you is that there is a very big difference between rapists and murderers, and the vast majority of normal, healthy people who participate in BDSM, respect others and lead regular lives. You can't generalize that they are all unhealthy because some sadistic criminals do things that are similar to BDSM. I have some research and articles for you to read about BDSM that I hope will enlighten you
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 The fact is that S&M is harmful there is data to prove it, you just refuse to believe it & that the majority of people who engage 8in S&M have suffered some type of trauma in their childhood.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 and I hate to keep bringing this up, but after repeatedly asking you over and over to please provide the research you claim to have about no variation of individual preferences in BDSM, or even research about most people suffering childhood trauma, you still have failed to provide any whatsoever (except for a study of serial killers where their crimes are thought to imitate BDSM).
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 The reason why I'm saying there's a similarity between the actions of rapists & the people who engage in S&M is to show that the activities S&M is harmful, that's it.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 This is why I have been trying to tell you that you"re using your research out of context. 2 similar activities do not prove the same motivations for those activities. Most people in BDSM (me included) would be disgusted by the idea of really raping someone. There is research to support consentual BDSM is beneficial to relationships, and to support that there is in fact LOWER instances of childhood trauma in people who practice BDSM. I posted them, I don't konw why it's not showing?
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 (continue): These two scholars are not Christians. There are Christian & non-Christian scholars are noticing the same trend in male college students.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@skyjumper999 The psychotherapists who took part in that poll were basing what they said on the patients they were treating in a clinical setting in this regard. Either they found harm related to porn that I made mention of or they suspected it, so they were not being bias nor was their views clouded.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 What you just said is a perfect example of how findings can be clouded by opinions of the people polled. Therapists 'suspecting' porn was involved in a patients' conditions is an obvious situation where bias can't be ruled out. There are also way too many variables in a study like that. Mental conditions are very variable and causes cab be hard to pin down. By what mechanism was porn suspected to contribute to those disorders? Would they have had the disorders anyway without porn?
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@bigmike5989 I commented on this but I guess it didn't go through. OK, your above statement is EXACTLY what I meant about the outcome of a study being clouded by too many degrees of seperation and not enough data. The therapists 'either knew or suspected'... what percentage of them knew vs suspected? Could their suspicions have been wrong? Could there have been other causes to these disorders? To what degree did porn contribute? Would they have had the disorders anyway without exposure to porn?
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 Read Dr. Victor Cline's paper "PORNOGRAPHY'S EFFECTS ON ADULTS & CHILDREN"
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 I read it. It is not a scientific paper, it is an opinion piece and as far as I can tell it is unpublished in any scientific journal. It has too much speculation, anecdotal reports and old science to hold a lot of weight as a paper on its own. One thing I do agree with (which I've also verified in other research I've done on brain development) is that children should not be exposed to porn due to the neuroplasticity at that age. That's why porn isn't sold to minors. Problem solved.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 You're first sentence showing me that you're letting your bias get in the way because you haven't counter anything that's in Dr. Cline & that you're implying to that you're not going to take seriously the information I recommend to you in the different books & research papers.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 Since you CLEARLY can't discern the difference between a scientific paper and an opinion piece, I'll help you. A study that compares other studies on similar topics and presents the findings in an objective way is called a meta analysis. This paper was neither a meta analysis nor publishable by any reputable journal... which is probably why IT WASN'T PUBLISHED! Looking at the individual studies cited, most report some people having some problems... not inevitable harm to everyone.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 Just because you say that his paper wasn't published doesn't mean that his paper is based on a false conclusion, but the question is this: Is Dr. Cline's paper based on the facts? Well based on other research papers & peer review journals, the answer is yes. You haven't used any book, peer review journal, or anything that was published to counter Dr. Cline's paper, but you say that his paper isn't reputable.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 Remember, I said that since the 70s, the DSM has removed sexual sadomasochism as a disorder in all but the most extreme cases where it seriously negatively affects the participants. They recognize most people engage in BDSM without negative impacts. The DSM is the gold standard of psychiatric diagnostics, written using a combination of very reputable research worldwide, and used by psychiatrists worldwide. Us that enough of a peer-reviewed reference for you? Read it then talk to me.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 But you haven't mention any researcher, book, or research paper. It's one thing to say the things you're saying but it has to be backed up by the facts, something you haven't done. The things I have said isn't mere I basing what I say on the actual research
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 OK, we'll go over this again the DSM aka DIAGNOSITCAL STATISTICAL MANUAL OF PSYCHIATRIC DISORDERS is a book (I didn't thing I had to specify that since you're obviously an expert so you should be able to recognize the abbreviation). In fact it is THE book of psychiatric diagnostics used all over the world. It contains combined research from all over the world. Read its section on sexual sadomasochism then we'll talk. Do you understand now? I hate having to repeat myself.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 I'm being very objective because I'm basing what I say on the evidence. Based on your questions, you're letting your bias get in the way.
bigmike5989 3 months ago
@bigmike5989 My questions are not biased, they are normal and acceptable wuestions that any scientifically minded person could and should ask. Science is supposed to be skeptical of findings. Science is all about asking questions and finding the answers to them. Science should try to find fault in the designs of studies or the selection of participants, so no my questions aren't biased. How can a question be biased anyway? It's answers that are biased, not questions.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 I'm looking at how you ask the questions & the fact you have said things like "OK, so lets assume what you're is accurate & unbiased science." That tells me that you don't take what I presented seriously & I come to the conclusion that you're letting your bias get in the way of the facts that the researchers have found.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 You bring up the chicken and egg debate. Which came first, the porn or the sexual dissatisfaction? Are these people using porn as an escape from an already unhappy sex life? Do they feel something is missing from their relationsips? Did these studies you cite (assuming they're from credible peer-reviewed scientific sources and not special interest groups) observe a change over time in subjects starting with no porn use movig up to frequent porn use? Try to be more objective.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 Researchers, both conservative & liberals, are very consistent findings I have made reference to. They are based on clinical case history, field studies, & experimental laboratory types studies. Their conclusions contradicts everything you said. Drs. Jennifer & Burton Schneider wrote in a paper that men who watch porn have a unrealistic expectations about their sexual relationship with their wives & they consistently suffer from erectile dysfunction.
bigmike5989 3 months ago
@bigmike5989 OK, so let's assume what you're saying is accurate and unbiased science. What would you have the government do about it? Would you have them ban pornography? What kind of message is that saying to people when the government steps in and tells them what they can and can't do with their own bodies? Would you want to live in a society that dictates on those terms? I wouldn't.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
@skyjumper999 I look at how racial discrimination was made illegal in America, people spoke out against it & they went to the government & racial discrimination was made illegal as a result. As far as your third question, female porn stars don't have any say-so as far as what happens to on a porn set because a lot of them have told porn directors or producers when they were doing a rough porn scene but they keeping the scene anyway.
bigmike5989 3 months ago in playlist videos
@bigmike5989 Racial discrimination and porn are apples and oranges. To tell consenting parties what they can and can't do with their own bodiessets a very dangerous legal precedent, just the same as telling others they can't watch it if they choose to. Racial discrimination leaves the discriminated race no recourse. It is biased and unfair. Female porn stars DO have a say. They can say no, and if the scene continues, it's called rape. There are other jobs out there, no one's making them do it.
skyjumper999 3 months ago
tumbs up if any of you feel pity for sasha......~~~~:(
sam982380 4 months ago 8
@sam982380
I do feel pity for her.
I think people should learn how to live and let live.
ItsRobinWhoTalks 4 months ago
i bet every single person in this video has watched porn, yet they all sit there and judge, someone has to do it, i bet when they are sat there masterbating they don't give a second thought to the porn stars life, and i hate the way that tyra tried to imply that sasha WAS sexually abused and is clearly in denial???? im usually a fan of tyra but not in this vid
NadineBeex 4 months ago
Sasha Grey has that dead behind the eyes look about her. Sad.
muzzster1970 4 months ago
some of you ppl are the dumbest ppl I will ever see on youtube my entire life. I think everyone is bound to hypocracy everyone thinks just becuz I have jesus as my youtube name imma saint wrong read what proverbs 31 is and look up the definition lost Im just as much a sinner as the next person.Porn is wrong women dont get it twisted some of you support what your man is doing but let it take up your time and watch how you cry like a baby what for you said it was ok. Now he made porn his love.
Jesuslostprov31gurl 4 months ago
Some people say that porn is good thing for married couples. But porn does not promote marriage nor does it promote a healthy sexual relationship for married couple. Women have admitted when they included porn into their sex lives with their husbands, things just got worse, not better.
bigmike5989 4 months ago