Jane Elliott - Olhos azuis (Blue eyed) - Legendado PT-BR_chunk_2.avi

[Pantonesara]

Yeah, I don't think anyone would understand racism unless they've been through it themselves, and it's not even the obvious stuff, but those little things that constantly try to keep you from having your voice from being heard.

This is what Elliot was trying to teach. And some people don't like it because they've lived their lives being privileged and having to go thru 2 hours of this was traumatizing . SHIT, I've had this stuff programmed into me since I was a kid.

[soulmage11]

And look at it like this. It is a Clinical response to a problem most ignore. That is why it is so taboo.

[soulmage11]

Another person who don't get it. She's perpetuating a contrast, not trying to demean anyone or focus racism on whites it is illuminating what is subtle. Some get it, most don't. It's bold, and that is why people reject it. At least she is trying. That is all.

[michael99887766]

And again "just act white" - that is racism against white people, and doesn't help anything.

[MissNophi2U]

@michael99887766 if you think that is racism you dont know what racism is.

[michael99887766]

@MissNophi2U

"Racism: (1) The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races"

In saying "just act white" in a derogatory way, and stereotyping all white people as bigots and racist, Jane Elliot is, rather ironically, being racist by all commonly accepted definitions.

[oneMadCow8154]

@michael99887766

Of everything you could have learned in this video series, why would you purposely choose to focus on something so trivially stupid? "Just act white" does not imply acting "bigoted and racist"; she is saying that people of color (minorities) must act a certain way around white people (the majority), so that white people feel comfortable.

It's not that hard of a concept. Please stop wasting everyone's time with your deliberate, intentional ignorance.

[michael99887766]

@oneMadCow8154 It's not a trivial thing though; it is an example of a broad underlying theme while runs beneath much of Elliot's thinking. She grew up/taught in very racist mid-1900s America, and had herself and her family abused and attacked for being "nigger lovers". Her teaching in the '60s was relevant and courageous, but unfortunately the abuse she has suffered has tainted her outlook. continued...

[michael99887766]

@oneMadCow8154 If you watch any of he experiments, particularly the later ones, there is a theme of "black=good/victimised, white=evil/bullying". This can be seen, for instance, in the way an idea originally intended to, and effective at, showing what it feels like to be victimised by an arbitrary physical characteristic (i.e. eye colour) has increasingly been twisted to be more about black vs white. continued

[michael99887766]

@oneMadCow8154 And once you change the exercise in that way, it loses much of its value in today's much less racist world. The message "you shouldn't discriminate, this is what it feels like" is a wonderful message which we should spread; but increasingly Elliott's message has been "white people are inherently racist", and "this is what it feels like to be black". continued

[michael99887766]

@oneMadCow8154 In today's increasingly tolerant world, such messages exacerbate, not diminish, racial tensions, by encouraging white guilt (often unjustified) and black victim mentality (also unfounded) - this leads both races to be suspicious of one another, rather than learning that skin-deep differences really mean nothing and should be TOTALLY irrelevant during all day-to-day interactions.

Please don't call perfectly rational argument "deliberate, intentional ignorance".

[michael99887766]

@oneMadCow8154 Because of the way Youtube posts things, you'll need to read up my comments, not down.

[michael99887766]

@oneMadCow8154 Also, going back to the original point you made - no, in this video when Elliott says "act white" she means "make others feel inferior, act racist and superior".

[oneMadCow8154]

@michael99887766

You see Michael; this is why I hesitated in responding to you in the first place. By saying Mrs. Elliott loses value in today's " much less racist world", you are implying that people of color are too STUPID to separate fiction from reality, and are just imagining racism that doesn't really exist: probably because we just LOVE playing the "race card". Right?

Here is an example of your "much less racist world".

watch?v=eNu-WZdHzaA

Please stop wasting everyone's time.

[michael99887766]

@oneMadCow8154 Not at all. I never denied that racism exists nor that it is prevalent in the USA. But Elliott grew up at a time when EVERYONE was racist, north/south/wherever. There were exceptions, but they were few. Racism is far from eradicated these days, but it is certainly much diminished from the 1960s when Elliott started her exercise.

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[michael99887766]

@oneMadCow8154 I'm not calling anyone stupid, but when you encourage black people to see every single thing as racism, as Elliott does, you propagate a victim mentality which makes people much more paranoid and makes them see racism where there is none. It's an almost subconscious thing which does not require stupidity. You also unfairly demonise the actions of honest, non-discriminating white people and yes, that is what Elliott does and yes, that is a form of racism. continued

[michael99887766]

@oneMadCow8154 Once, again, I am not "wasting everybody's time". If rational debate doesn't float your boat, by all means go elsewhere and don't read the comments. If you stick to one point of view only and refuse to acknowledge other people's, and say that they are merely being ignorant, you will merely becomes more and more entrenched in your views and more narrow-minded. Here's a view from a slightly different perspective, from an left-wing UK paper:

[michael99887766]

@oneMadCow8154 guardian. co.  uk/culture/2009/oct/18/racism-­psychology-jane-elliott-4

[michael99887766]

@oneMadCow8154 And here's another very perceptive analysis: davidthompson. typepad  .com/davidthompson/2009/10/i-s­ense-a-malign-presence-.html

[michael99887766]

There she goes again - "Do you think these white people can't stand being treated for two hours - verbally - the way they treat blacks for a lifetime". Being PART of a race which contains racist elements, which most whites will tackle when they encounter, is NOT the same as treating blacks badly.

[michael99887766]

Sorry but I still think she's stuck in the '60s.

"We [call black people "boy"] on a daily basis" - who's "we"? I've never called a black guy "boy" in my life, and nor would I. I don't doubt some people do, and they should be punished. But Elliott equates racism and passivity much too readily. What are we supposed to do? All give up our jobs, go into the streets, and shout against racism?

Racism has got to the stage where it can be tackled on an individual basis, in most places, at least.

[rravenx]

@michael99887766 this wasn't recently created. so yes, maybe some things that she says are outdated.

[gugaramone]

One racist didn't like the video...

[MissNophi2U]

@gugaramone and then there were 2...

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