Congratulations to "Air-Chief-Marshal = Sir John Allison", the clown who wiped-out Black.6
Utterly laughable that he insisted on not being "cut-out" of the plane, lest he risk further damage.................(like, er, don't you think you've fucked-it up enough already........you wretched clumsy Ham-fisted FOOL !).
Personally, I wouldn't even let that cunt near my lawnmower !!!!!!!!!!!
(p.s, I'm told that wuz his maiden-flight in a '109 & it shows)
bf-109 is most sucsesful yet ever.but he have(i thing til now had) very big deffect.his wheels distance is to low and meny good pilots died or serriosly demigad in landing time.I hope its a last bf-109 crash but not last fly.
When you see the Spitfie at 00:45 swoop in and strike, absolutely beautiful. Brought a tear to my eye to relive the action. Always remember - my grandad killed your grandad
Do any of you idiots ACTUALLY KNOW what you are talking about? "Get a better pilot" or "how dare he crash a 109" I mean, are you 10 years old? Some of your comments are sick and immature. But what else what I expect from youtube. The Bf 109G-2/Trop 'Black 6' is an amazing aircraft and it was unfortunate that she crashed. The pilot and the team that restored her did a magnificent job. Although I
never go to see Black 6 fly in person, I did make the trip over seas to see her.
There have been a lot of negative comments here about the pilot who, admittedly made a mistake. The aircraft was not written off and the pilot escaped safely - that's what matters. After a second restoration to 'flying' condition it was refused permission to fly by higher up offices. I think that they did however manage to run the engine to check systems before it was dismantled and shipped to the RAF Museum at Hendon for display where it now resides in the Milestones of Flight display.
I'm sure any other modern day pilot flying a Me 109 wouldn't do any better. On any given day you can be brilliant, mediocre, or a failure. At least it didn't catch fire & burn.
@killerbeez95 Nothing really, just 2 different ways to call the same plane
When the 109 was desgined and first built the company was called Bayerische Flugzeugwerke hence the Bf. Willy Messerschmitt didn't take over and rename the company until 1938, all planes designed and built after that year had the Me prefix (eg Me-262)
Black 6 was rebuilt and is in pristine condition in an English museum. There are more DB powered 109s flying today than when this news article was written.
@L8Pilot Very true, however, 'Black SIx' was the only 100% genuine Bf-109 G-2 flying in the world. The ones flying today are rebuilt HA-1109-K1L or HA-1112-M1L 'Buchons' fitted with a DB605 instead of a RR.
Personally it doesn't really matter to me as long as there are still DB605 powered 109's flying around :-)
The engine was venting (coolant steam, I think) and the pilot thought he had engine trouble. Given that, there's no way he would have attempted a go-around.
Sad.. really sad. They should have repaired her properly after that crash. It was a luck that the Britains took her away in North-Africa. So she survived the war.
They did a great job bringing her into the air again after so many years of hard work. She is one of the last of her kind. She deserves to get into the air again!!
With a much better pilot!!! She wasn't born to end up displayed in a museum.
The crash report notes that display pilots have experience of flying a range of classic aircraft but insufficient experience flying particular types. So the conclusion of the report was that the pilot made errors which brought about the need for an emergency landing. Unfortunately, I witnessed the pilot attempting to drop the aircraft onto the grass in vain as the aircraft had a tail wind. A terrible shock to all of us, dreading a fire. Such a relief to hear that nobody was hurt.
@tollyt100 the reason for it being grounded was not to do with it being unsafe but rather that it was/is the only example of a Bf109 G with a Daimler-Benz engine in the UK and possibly in Europe(?) It is and I believe always has been the property of the Ministry Of Defence.
Yes. Flipped over after a botched emergency landing.
Repaired and on permanent display. It was only supposed to fly for short time before permanent museum display, and the accident happened on the final flight.
@hogsnplanes Black 6 was repaired but not sufficiently to make it flight-worthy. It looks great as a static display at the RAF museum in Hendon, London but looked dazzling in the air. One day perhaps we will see it in the air again but I doubt it. I was always impressed by it's rate of climb. And a marvellous spectacle to see it hedge-hopping at Old Warden.
I've read the accident report. Pilot forgot to open radiator flaps on the ground and in flight, and boiled the engine. He then still forgot to check the radiator flaps, and instead executed and poorly planned emergency landing and overshot the runway. Pilot error all the way.
the BF-109 is notorious for it's narrow landing gear causing accidents. you can't just put anyone in this plane, you need to practice landings repeatedly to get a feel for the plane.
@Salguine there was no option to do that because the wings were too thin. Wing design meant that guns could not be installed inside the wings either.Hence in some variants guns were mounted using under-wing pods.
@goaaug There would still have been ways to do it. Similar aircraft had landing gear where the gear mounts were toward the wingtips and the "wheel ends" folded in toward each other, rather than away, with the wheel wells actually fitting more into the forward fuselage. That's just one way; I can't imagine that good designers couldn't have fund a solution.
@Salguine The landing gear on the 109 were designed so that the wings could be taken off for transportation. To do this the landing gear had to mount on the fuseslage and not the wing spar as other aircraft that you are describing such as the P-51 did.
@torngr4a oh okay... yeah i was a bit stupid with my reaction and i understand what you mean... last time i was on a open day on a army airfield and the people!!!
Jesus Crist! what a lot of fake show offs and lozers who think they know something about it!
But again... excuse me for my stupidnes... and my bad English ;)
@radicaldude1234 Absolutely!! but his bottle had gone because the 109 had vented some coolant and he thought he was going to fry! - then he had the neck to say "I'm the last RAF pilot to bring down a 109!" PRAT!
@billyconnearly I am sure you would have done a Barrel roll, split S and landed perfectly eh?..Go back to IL2!..I just love people who sit on their arse all day, commenting on other people they know nothing about
If they ban this they should also ban parachutes as those can be dangerous to...And submarines...and Pet dogs...And fast carrs... Really whenever you do something that involves any form of high speed it's going to be dangerous.(anything from walking down stairs to flying across the desert at 400mph in a turbine powered car)
@mrceebees14 Did you know that I once read somewhere that half of the people who got killed in a BF 109 didn't get killed by ennemy fire but by landing accidents?
@mrceebees14 They weren't banning it because it was unsafe to fly. At the time it was the only airworthy 109 in the world, and the decision was made by the Duxford collection, who owns and operates it, that the aircraft was too valuable to risk its being destroyed in an accident. The pilot set it down in the softest spot he could find and then refused to let them cut him out so they wouldn't damage it any worse. They dug him out, and he wriggled free.
@mrceebees14 this actually happened more than you think during the war, the 109 wasn't easy to fly in the first place, especially during take off and landing
@Brian79camino It wasn't, but I'v never heard it involving landing and taking off as being part of the problem. What I understand is that at certain speeds the plane would become very unstable.
@mrceebees14 well on take off the plane would pull hard to the left, the pilot would have to apply almost full right rudder, if he wasn't careful the thing could flip over on its back, this could happen on landing also, the undercarriage was very narrow and weak....now the Fw-190 was a different story, much easier to handle
the tower told the pilot he had a leak of white steam, instead of going round and lineing up correctly. in his panic he simply went straight into land. touching halfway down the runway too fast and bounced over the m11 into the following field.
how do i know, i was a volunteer worker at duxford and the grapevine from pilot talk was rife with info....
Yes it was repaired and placed on permanent static display. It was only supposed to fly for limited time before permanent grounding, but the accident happened on the final flight, unfortunately.
It is most important, that the pilot left the plane nearly unhurt. The loss of the "black six" hurts. I love this outstanding aircraft and its impressive DB 605-engine.
he wasnt cut out of the wreckage either he stayed in the cockpit upside down for 30 mins in the wreckage refusing to be cut free and rather wait till a crane was brought to lift the aircraft up so anyone bad mouthing Air Chief Marshal Sir John Allison needs to grow up and look into proper facts not media speculation!!
Stupid BBC cant get anything right...The pilot didnt lose control on landing he had to make a downwind forced landing due to the oil cooling radiator vents been closed during the low level display causing the engine to overheat rapidly
The Pilot - Air Vice Marshal Sir John Allison - panicked after the Bf 109 vented some coolant as it was designed to do. He called a forced landing and then fucked that up and ended up with the Messerschmitt Canopy (which he had said was crap) saving his miserable life!
The facts were that the Bf109 had been restored to flying condition and was flown on this occasion by Air Vice Marshal Sir John Allison - the aircraft was venting coolant as it was designed to do but Sir John panicked and initiated a "forced landing" which ended with the Messerschmitt Canopy (which Allison had judged useless!) actually saving his life!!! If ever there was a case of a Lion led by a Donkey this was it!!!
Looks like the flier dropped his wing when he tried to go around. 109 gs and later tended to do that right around the stall especially if the slats popped out. once that happens the ailerons are useless and she will go over on her back. With 209 or 609 undercarts he could have chopped the throttle and dropped her on her wheels like a p 39 or p 47.
I believe the aircraft developed a coolant leak and the engine started to overheat , the pilot tried to put it down as quickly as he could with these results. He was doing ok until he ran out of smooth field and hit a ploughed section .The aircraft is now fully rebuilt and in the RAF museum at Hendon, UK.
A/C is a 1942 'G' (gustav) model. However, no matter vhen i shot down an Engelander my staffel kapitan had him brought to our field in France where we drank much schnapps. The engelisch mann mentioned that on seeing our flyers they shout 'jerry!' and the time of day. They do not vorry so on which of our glorius factorys made it. I remember the engelander was a jolly fellow, i vonder vot became of him? Mit freundlichen gruss. Jochen.
To summarise -when you tell me that the pilots who flew it knew it as the "Bf"-I then conclude your real level of knowledge on the aircraft-I mean that as opposed to a quick google-is sadly flawed.
No worries, we will just have to agree to disagree like gentlemen. It was simply a Bayerische Flugzeugwerke design Bf. I wish you well and do as you see fit
Did some more searching, take note that Green's work is not always considered correct. Thomas Hitchcock did a far better job in his 1973 book Messerschmitt O-Nine Gallery.
it's a G, you can tell by the tail wheel I think. Is it not true that the F model had a retractable tail wheel, whereas the G didn't. This version in the video clearly shows an unretractable trailwheel. However this could have been modified afterwards I guess. I also consider the fact that there are multiple different versions of the F and one could have had a fixed tail wheel..
He couldn't: Black 6 was in crisis, having blown its cooling system and puking coolant. There was no chance to go-around and the gusts were playing havoc with ground effect on landing, coupled with a slightly-higher approach speed. A forward slip in that plane would spell disaster with landing gear like that. They were very tricky on rollout and prone to groundloop, like the Spitfire of the same gear configuration.
Black 6 was on its last flight, being deemed unsafe for further flight; this flight was allowed as a farewell flight. The plane was slated for static display, where it ended up anyway. Maybe it was best; if you're gonna go, go big.
Fortunately the plane HAS been rebuildt, it was NOT a Hispano version but a authentic ME109F, the first "REAL" ME109 to fly for a very very long time, and it was clearly Pilot Error, sorry.
Yes, I am because its fact. With a simple google search you can find this out for yourself. Bayerische Flugzeugwerke (BFW) (Bavarian Aircraft Works) designed the 109. The serial numbers of even the last models still started with Bf. BFW was reconstituted as Messerschmitt AG on July 11, 1938, with Willy Messerschmitt as chairman and managing director. The renaming of BFW resulted in the company's RLM designation changing from Bf to Me for all newer designs after the acquisition date.
The "BF" -no need to translate, I speak the language-the pilots did not use the term BF at all, -to them it was "May hundert neun" as it was pronounced-never BF109.And when you very cleverly (so you think) throw in "RLM" - I've actually been there.Trust me, no member of the Luftwaffe or Propganda Ministry ever referred to it as a "Bf"
Serial numbers of the later models tended to have "Me" as their designation, though admittedly "Bf" was still used
The "Bf" was used -on contemporary documents up until "Dora", and thereafter as Me.There is no doubt "Me" was what it was known as to pilots on both sides.
Therefore it was simply a bureacracy label, and even then only used for a relatively short time on documentation.
These planes where very hard to land because of the narrow wheelbase of the landing gear. Very good pilots crashed BF109s during landing. Shame for one of the last non hispano built Me109.
Actually the plane looked rebuildable. I have seen beautiful restoration jobs done on basket case classic cars,so there is also hope for damaged WW11 aircraft.
Planes are made 2 fly, not to sit in a museum. The best way to keep them is like they do it in the planes of fame museum in Chino: Colecting rare airplanes, but keeping them in flying condition and hire experienced pilots to show them to the crowd.
Everytime i see such planes in a museum, i get sad because they will never take off again.I´m a pilot, and i love to see these planes flying, not sitting!
I agree on both sides kinda. We need to have them around for future generations to enjoy... But seeing them fly is enjoyable in its own way. What are the planes without the engine roaring, thats part of why people love them.
Such a terrible idea, how can they be properly enjoyed collecting dust in a museum? I love air shows, if you must blame anything in this, blame pilot error or miscalculation.
I would say that the 109 was more difficult to take off than land. The plane has a wicked tendancy to start turning during take off and when it gains momentum, you can do nothing to stop that. What I've heard, landing of 109 wasn't any different than any other plane. According to finnish veterans.
heart breaking to see this again fed up seeing mustangs and spits why not get some axis aircraft back up either replica or originals we of younger years would like to see the other side of the coin too
I was apprenticed to Rolls Royce Patchway when the Daimler Benz engine from this particular aircraft came into the training Department from the RAF ~ca 1975-7. The idea was to get the RR apprentices to refurbish the engine although, to what extent, I was not made aware of . My input FWIW was to take the 12 exhaust port stub outlets to be degreased via tanks of hot trichloroethylene vapour and then beadblasted to remove any corrosion. Beyond that I had no further input as I left the Dept.
If I remember correctly, the pilot of this was former Air Chief Marshal Sir John Allison and if my memory serves me correctly this aircraft suffered an engine failure and he tried to put it down as safely as he could.
I will NEVER understand why he didn't throttle up and go around, this was a senseless accident. I've been around warbirds thirty years, this should have easily been avoided.
I know it sounds like conspiracy theory but I will never believe that the Sdn Ldr flying Black 6 in 1997 wasn't told to overshoot to make it easier to ground the aeroplane against a strong public campaign to keep it flying. It was unfortunate that he ground-looped it on an unprepared field.
53 years old and such a stupid reply, c´mon You gotta be kidding with that comment of Yours. A Mustang shooting down planes 1997...good stuff for Hollywood dude
Sephy7777. Well spotted. I did not notice that the archive black and white footage of the BF109 at( 1 minute)the numbers on the fuselage 7 and 12 have been flipped 180 degrees..... Thanks for spotting that.
Congratulations to "Air-Chief-Marshal = Sir John Allison", the clown who wiped-out Black.6
Utterly laughable that he insisted on not being "cut-out" of the plane, lest he risk further damage.................(like, er, don't you think you've fucked-it up enough already........you wretched clumsy Ham-fisted FOOL !).
Personally, I wouldn't even let that cunt near my lawnmower !!!!!!!!!!!
(p.s, I'm told that wuz his maiden-flight in a '109 & it shows)
Hunstanton29 2 months ago
bf-109 is most sucsesful yet ever.but he have(i thing til now had) very big deffect.his wheels distance is to low and meny good pilots died or serriosly demigad in landing time.I hope its a last bf-109 crash but not last fly.
tigran0705 2 months ago in playlist Luftwaffe
When you see the Spitfie at 00:45 swoop in and strike, absolutely beautiful. Brought a tear to my eye to relive the action. Always remember - my grandad killed your grandad
rulebritannia2008 2 months ago
Do any of you idiots ACTUALLY KNOW what you are talking about? "Get a better pilot" or "how dare he crash a 109" I mean, are you 10 years old? Some of your comments are sick and immature. But what else what I expect from youtube. The Bf 109G-2/Trop 'Black 6' is an amazing aircraft and it was unfortunate that she crashed. The pilot and the team that restored her did a magnificent job. Although I
never go to see Black 6 fly in person, I did make the trip over seas to see her.
skot66 3 months ago 2
There have been a lot of negative comments here about the pilot who, admittedly made a mistake. The aircraft was not written off and the pilot escaped safely - that's what matters. After a second restoration to 'flying' condition it was refused permission to fly by higher up offices. I think that they did however manage to run the engine to check systems before it was dismantled and shipped to the RAF Museum at Hendon for display where it now resides in the Milestones of Flight display.
waghorn41 3 months ago
Vilken tur att inte förstördes... Det hade förlorat ytterligare ett exempel på dessa stora flygplan... Jag önskar att de byggt om det...
bompiberlot 4 months ago
@bompiberlot Hur går det med svenskan? ;)
MrAnton275 4 months ago
I'm sure any other modern day pilot flying a Me 109 wouldn't do any better. On any given day you can be brilliant, mediocre, or a failure. At least it didn't catch fire & burn.
kolbpilot 5 months ago
Well if it was due to be retired due to safety reasons, well, any arguments against it's withdrawal are surely shot in the foot now..... :..:
davetherave7 5 months ago
Who gives a bloody fuck about the motorway!!!!
TheFlyingPineapple 5 months ago
The pilot flies with his dick that's what happened.
Convict147 7 months ago
Whats the difference from a BF109 and a Me109?
killerbeez95 8 months ago
@killerbeez95 Nothing really, just 2 different ways to call the same plane
When the 109 was desgined and first built the company was called Bayerische Flugzeugwerke hence the Bf. Willy Messerschmitt didn't take over and rename the company until 1938, all planes designed and built after that year had the Me prefix (eg Me-262)
TopGunSGA 8 months ago
not enough skill for flying me- 109:D
ritschi96 8 months ago
Black 6 was rebuilt and is in pristine condition in an English museum. There are more DB powered 109s flying today than when this news article was written.
L8Pilot 10 months ago
@L8Pilot Very true, however, 'Black SIx' was the only 100% genuine Bf-109 G-2 flying in the world. The ones flying today are rebuilt HA-1109-K1L or HA-1112-M1L 'Buchons' fitted with a DB605 instead of a RR.
Personally it doesn't really matter to me as long as there are still DB605 powered 109's flying around :-)
Anacinc 5 months ago
thank god the pilots okay
kinghenry42000 10 months ago
what i dont see is how didnt the pilot not notice he overshot the runway, and just fire up the throttle on full and do a turn around
repzyree 10 months ago
@repzyree
The engine was venting (coolant steam, I think) and the pilot thought he had engine trouble. Given that, there's no way he would have attempted a go-around.
FiveCentsPlease 7 months ago
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Sad.. really sad. They should have repaired her properly after that crash. It was a luck that the Britains took her away in North-Africa. So she survived the war.
They did a great job bringing her into the air again after so many years of hard work. She is one of the last of her kind. She deserves to get into the air again!!
With a much better pilot!!! She wasn't born to end up displayed in a museum.
UtgardBenni 11 months ago
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UtgardBenni 11 months ago
The crash report notes that display pilots have experience of flying a range of classic aircraft but insufficient experience flying particular types. So the conclusion of the report was that the pilot made errors which brought about the need for an emergency landing. Unfortunately, I witnessed the pilot attempting to drop the aircraft onto the grass in vain as the aircraft had a tail wind. A terrible shock to all of us, dreading a fire. Such a relief to hear that nobody was hurt.
goaaug 11 months ago
this pilot can't fly a bf 109. i know this warbird is difficuilt to land but the pilot can't fly
dahanse5 1 year ago
why should the plane be considered unsafe after six jears of foolproof reliability (ww2)
tollyt100 1 year ago
@tollyt100 the reason for it being grounded was not to do with it being unsafe but rather that it was/is the only example of a Bf109 G with a Daimler-Benz engine in the UK and possibly in Europe(?) It is and I believe always has been the property of the Ministry Of Defence.
goaaug 11 months ago
Was she repaired?
hogsnplanes 1 year ago
@hogsnplanes
Yes. Flipped over after a botched emergency landing.
Repaired and on permanent display. It was only supposed to fly for short time before permanent museum display, and the accident happened on the final flight.
FiveCentsPlease 1 year ago
@hogsnplanes Black 6 was repaired but not sufficiently to make it flight-worthy. It looks great as a static display at the RAF museum in Hendon, London but looked dazzling in the air. One day perhaps we will see it in the air again but I doubt it. I was always impressed by it's rate of climb. And a marvellous spectacle to see it hedge-hopping at Old Warden.
goaaug 11 months ago
I've read the accident report. Pilot forgot to open radiator flaps on the ground and in flight, and boiled the engine. He then still forgot to check the radiator flaps, and instead executed and poorly planned emergency landing and overshot the runway. Pilot error all the way.
IK1963 1 year ago 4
the BF-109 is notorious for it's narrow landing gear causing accidents. you can't just put anyone in this plane, you need to practice landings repeatedly to get a feel for the plane.
Soundwave3591 1 year ago
@Soundwave3591 isn't it baffling that they didn't just say "fuck it" an simply redesign the landing gear?
Salguine 1 year ago
@Salguine there was no option to do that because the wings were too thin. Wing design meant that guns could not be installed inside the wings either.Hence in some variants guns were mounted using under-wing pods.
goaaug 11 months ago
@goaaug There would still have been ways to do it. Similar aircraft had landing gear where the gear mounts were toward the wingtips and the "wheel ends" folded in toward each other, rather than away, with the wheel wells actually fitting more into the forward fuselage. That's just one way; I can't imagine that good designers couldn't have fund a solution.
Salguine 11 months ago
@Salguine The landing gear on the 109 were designed so that the wings could be taken off for transportation. To do this the landing gear had to mount on the fuseslage and not the wing spar as other aircraft that you are describing such as the P-51 did.
laxfreak3557 11 months ago
When the EMP bombs start going off, these aircraft will be put back into service and guess what, they will reign supreme again.
kevjay777 1 year ago
@kevjay777 I've thought that SAME thing! I'll take my P-38K please!!! >:-)
NoDakBees 1 year ago
what a bad pilot, we was flying much too fast.
1987jkilla 1 year ago
@1987jkilla yeah... even i know how to land a plane!
Take your time to observe the landing erea.
Take some gas back and put down you flaps.
Move slowly to the place.
Put your weels down.
Take gas back.
Let the plane glide slowly over the road.
EASY!
TheKshow101 1 year ago
@TheKshow101 its not as simple as that dipshit!
torngr4a 1 year ago
@torngr4a haha was just a small joke! jesus... what ever happend to people there humor on this plannet! Was it reaky nessesary to say that???
TheKshow101 1 year ago
@TheKshow101 i cant stand people who think they know everything about aircraft and aviation because they watch stuff on tv and use flight sims
torngr4a 1 year ago
@torngr4a oh okay... yeah i was a bit stupid with my reaction and i understand what you mean... last time i was on a open day on a army airfield and the people!!!
Jesus Crist! what a lot of fake show offs and lozers who think they know something about it!
But again... excuse me for my stupidnes... and my bad English ;)
TheKshow101 1 year ago
it was a crying shame to see black 6 crash
creccy 1 year ago
how dare he crash a 109
Tigergruppen88 1 year ago 11
Inquiry laid the blame on the pilot for this one.
ChookMagnet 1 year ago
Man, he should have aborted the landing and went around after that first bounce...
radicaldude1234 1 year ago 2
@radicaldude1234 Absolutely!! but his bottle had gone because the 109 had vented some coolant and he thought he was going to fry! - then he had the neck to say "I'm the last RAF pilot to bring down a 109!" PRAT!
billyconnearly 1 year ago
@billyconnearly I am sure you would have done a Barrel roll, split S and landed perfectly eh?..Go back to IL2!..I just love people who sit on their arse all day, commenting on other people they know nothing about
googleisshittoss 1 year ago
Restored lovingly by Russ Haddon and his team - Fucked by Air Marshal John Allison - who bottled it when the 109 vented some coolant!
billyconnearly 1 year ago
@billyconnearly and commented on by some dickhead who seems to forget the 109's awful landing characteristics.
Xiolablu3 1 year ago
@Xiolablu3 OK so you want to have a go eh? The 109 had the same.....no wait a minute.....
billyconnearly 1 year ago
@Xiolablu3 .....and less of the dickhead or it could start to get nasty!
billyconnearly 1 year ago
@billyconnearly You're on here as well. Looks like your record's stuck in a groove mate.
edj66 1 year ago
Did anyone else think "stuff the pilot, what about the 109!" does that make me a bad person? I mean theres loads of pilots but not many 109s....
jonewer 1 year ago
youtube.com/watch?v=dO9mEv5Ve54&feature=related
mrford70 1 year ago
If I were this guy, I would have gone around. Buts thats just me.
TravisModel92 1 year ago
If they ban this they should also ban parachutes as those can be dangerous to...And submarines...and Pet dogs...And fast carrs... Really whenever you do something that involves any form of high speed it's going to be dangerous.(anything from walking down stairs to flying across the desert at 400mph in a turbine powered car)
hunterziegelmann 1 year ago
I heard there a no more Me 109 in flying condition. Is it true????
keinraffvonnix 1 year ago
@keinraffvonnix
That's wrong.
StridingMan 1 year ago
@keinraffvonnix Totally wrong, who told you that? The 109 is the MOST mass produced replica WW2 fighter plane.
It isn't easy to fly, I can tell you that.
mrceebees14 1 year ago
@keinraffvonnix
No. There's two original Bf109Es flying, three Bf109Gs (re-engined Hispano Buchons technically) and three Merlin-engined Buchons flying.
DazDaMan 1 year ago
They want to ban the aircraft because it's no longer safe to fly? WHAT?!?!? Just because he overshot the runway?
That is R E T A R D E D.
Get a better pilot.
mrceebees14 1 year ago 32
@mrceebees14 Did you know that I once read somewhere that half of the people who got killed in a BF 109 didn't get killed by ennemy fire but by landing accidents?
bob23yer 1 year ago
@bob23yer I would like to see that article, because I have never heard that before.
Do you have a link?
mrceebees14 1 year ago
@mrceebees14 They weren't banning it because it was unsafe to fly. At the time it was the only airworthy 109 in the world, and the decision was made by the Duxford collection, who owns and operates it, that the aircraft was too valuable to risk its being destroyed in an accident. The pilot set it down in the softest spot he could find and then refused to let them cut him out so they wouldn't damage it any worse. They dug him out, and he wriggled free.
Treize69 1 year ago
@mrceebees14 this actually happened more than you think during the war, the 109 wasn't easy to fly in the first place, especially during take off and landing
Brian79camino 3 months ago
@Brian79camino It wasn't, but I'v never heard it involving landing and taking off as being part of the problem. What I understand is that at certain speeds the plane would become very unstable.
mrceebees14 3 months ago
@mrceebees14 well on take off the plane would pull hard to the left, the pilot would have to apply almost full right rudder, if he wasn't careful the thing could flip over on its back, this could happen on landing also, the undercarriage was very narrow and weak....now the Fw-190 was a different story, much easier to handle
Brian79camino 3 months ago
the tower told the pilot he had a leak of white steam, instead of going round and lineing up correctly. in his panic he simply went straight into land. touching halfway down the runway too fast and bounced over the m11 into the following field.
how do i know, i was a volunteer worker at duxford and the grapevine from pilot talk was rife with info....
garyflyer 1 year ago
Great planes but everyone knows about their landing issues, given the circumstances the pilot did an admirable job.
rickoc386 1 year ago
yes the Bf109's landing gear caused this problem during landings.....
blackout237 1 year ago
@blackout237 Yes thats a problem, spitfires have got the same ...
dr400FGSEE 1 year ago
Has it been repaired?
nicedog1 1 year ago
@nicedog1
Yes it was repaired and placed on permanent static display. It was only supposed to fly for limited time before permanent grounding, but the accident happened on the final flight, unfortunately.
FiveCentsPlease 1 year ago
@FiveCentsPlease
I suppose if I'd listened to the news report properly I would have heared that.
Thanks anyway.
Nicedog
nicedog1 1 year ago
It is most important, that the pilot left the plane nearly unhurt. The loss of the "black six" hurts. I love this outstanding aircraft and its impressive DB 605-engine.
AnnonymusII 1 year ago
wow, a failed landing. those exhausting bomber intercept missions are starting to take their toll.
stezkamilan 1 year ago
It always was a tough plane to land, even for the best pilots. 5% of all 109s were lost on take-off and landing accidents.
fliegeroh 1 year ago
he wasnt cut out of the wreckage either he stayed in the cockpit upside down for 30 mins in the wreckage refusing to be cut free and rather wait till a crane was brought to lift the aircraft up so anyone bad mouthing Air Chief Marshal Sir John Allison needs to grow up and look into proper facts not media speculation!!
UKVoodooUK 1 year ago
Stupid BBC cant get anything right...The pilot didnt lose control on landing he had to make a downwind forced landing due to the oil cooling radiator vents been closed during the low level display causing the engine to overheat rapidly
UKVoodooUK 1 year ago
How come they let this stupido fly that wonderfully restored aircraft ?
I thought only experienced guys was allowed.
Beyond the F model the 109 was especially tricky to fly. a true "energy fighter" . Most loses was due to accidents.
...Didn´t that butthead even read the flght manual ??
Messerschmitt109F 1 year ago
@Messerschmitt109F You can read the manual as much as you want but you can't do much if their is a faliure in the engine!
pramboy09 1 year ago
God damn it... it survived Russians,Americans,all II war... and crashed on stupid small airshow,shiiit...
ElephantKiller23 1 year ago
The Pilot - Air Vice Marshal Sir John Allison - panicked after the Bf 109 vented some coolant as it was designed to do. He called a forced landing and then fucked that up and ended up with the Messerschmitt Canopy (which he had said was crap) saving his miserable life!
billyconnearly 1 year ago
The facts were that the Bf109 had been restored to flying condition and was flown on this occasion by Air Vice Marshal Sir John Allison - the aircraft was venting coolant as it was designed to do but Sir John panicked and initiated a "forced landing" which ended with the Messerschmitt Canopy (which Allison had judged useless!) actually saving his life!!! If ever there was a case of a Lion led by a Donkey this was it!!!
billyconnearly 1 year ago
Well , shame that it was, not the first time that type crashed in that area.. With the help of the RAF of course.
Pitcairn2 1 year ago 2
Looks like the flier dropped his wing when he tried to go around. 109 gs and later tended to do that right around the stall especially if the slats popped out. once that happens the ailerons are useless and she will go over on her back. With 209 or 609 undercarts he could have chopped the throttle and dropped her on her wheels like a p 39 or p 47.
beowulf342000 1 year ago
I believe the aircraft developed a coolant leak and the engine started to overheat , the pilot tried to put it down as quickly as he could with these results. He was doing ok until he ran out of smooth field and hit a ploughed section .The aircraft is now fully rebuilt and in the RAF museum at Hendon, UK.
23vin850 1 year ago
She went over on her back because the pilot ended up landing in a freshly plowed field. The wheels dug in and flipped her.
skot66 1 year ago
he was not "cut out" of the aircraft they dug a hole underneath so they could open the hood so the aircraft was not damaged any further.
pumpkinv12 1 year ago
German aircrafts need german pilots...that the reason.
Bowkow 1 year ago 2
@Bowkow
That's a strange comment.
liamuk08 1 year ago
yes, indeed.
Bowkow 1 year ago
should be back in the air where it belongs.
redhotbarrell 1 year ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
A P-47 Thunderbolt shot it down...
edy043 1 year ago
Even though it's German, it's still a shame it came down. It would be nice to have an English-German aircraft flyby, some day
andyknight1 1 year ago
One word. Schadenfreude.
Pupp3tOnAString 1 year ago
A/C is a 1942 'G' (gustav) model. However, no matter vhen i shot down an Engelander my staffel kapitan had him brought to our field in France where we drank much schnapps. The engelisch mann mentioned that on seeing our flyers they shout 'jerry!' and the time of day. They do not vorry so on which of our glorius factorys made it. I remember the engelander was a jolly fellow, i vonder vot became of him? Mit freundlichen gruss. Jochen.
jochen538 1 year ago
To summarise -when you tell me that the pilots who flew it knew it as the "Bf"-I then conclude your real level of knowledge on the aircraft-I mean that as opposed to a quick google-is sadly flawed.
fokjock 2 years ago
No worries, we will just have to agree to disagree like gentlemen. It was simply a Bayerische Flugzeugwerke design Bf. I wish you well and do as you see fit
toonsis 2 years ago
Bf only up to Dora, and then only an administrative prefix.
Alles gut
fokjock 2 years ago
Good info, whats your source ? I have heard that the Bf prefix went all the way to the K model. I dont need opinion said with conviction
toonsis 2 years ago
William Green, Warplanes of the Third Reich
fokjock 2 years ago
thanks, I will check it out
toonsis 2 years ago
Did some more searching, take note that Green's work is not always considered correct. Thomas Hitchcock did a far better job in his 1973 book Messerschmitt O-Nine Gallery.
toonsis 2 years ago
it's a G, you can tell by the tail wheel I think. Is it not true that the F model had a retractable tail wheel, whereas the G didn't. This version in the video clearly shows an unretractable trailwheel. However this could have been modified afterwards I guess. I also consider the fact that there are multiple different versions of the F and one could have had a fixed tail wheel..
teaboyjack 2 years ago
Is Black 6 really made up with movie make-up and flown in the movie Land Girls?
bessjenny 2 years ago
Why didn't he go around?
123Scears123 2 years ago
He couldn't: Black 6 was in crisis, having blown its cooling system and puking coolant. There was no chance to go-around and the gusts were playing havoc with ground effect on landing, coupled with a slightly-higher approach speed. A forward slip in that plane would spell disaster with landing gear like that. They were very tricky on rollout and prone to groundloop, like the Spitfire of the same gear configuration.
SenorSpode 2 years ago
I understand this plane was never flown again,being to valuable to risk another accident.
moluvsage 2 years ago
Black 6 was on its last flight, being deemed unsafe for further flight; this flight was allowed as a farewell flight. The plane was slated for static display, where it ended up anyway. Maybe it was best; if you're gonna go, go big.
SenorSpode 2 years ago
That really sucks, all the more because it was a genuine Friedrich. I liked "Black 6" a lot.
I'm happy to hear they at least rebuilt it, if that's true.
LateNightCable 2 years ago
What do you mean a Friedrich?-Black 6 was a Gustav.
fokjock 2 years ago
That's right. I always think of Black 6 as an F model, since it doesn't have the nose blisters typical of a Gustav.
LateNightCable 2 years ago
Fortunately the plane HAS been rebuildt, it was NOT a Hispano version but a authentic ME109F, the first "REAL" ME109 to fly for a very very long time, and it was clearly Pilot Error, sorry.
ovemunk 2 years ago
It was pilot error, but its a Me 109G
fokjock 2 years ago
Its BF, not Me
toonsis 2 years ago
Oh really?-how do you come to that conclusion? Are you telling me the pilots who flew it called it the "Bf"??
fokjock 2 years ago
Yes, I am because its fact. With a simple google search you can find this out for yourself. Bayerische Flugzeugwerke (BFW) (Bavarian Aircraft Works) designed the 109. The serial numbers of even the last models still started with Bf. BFW was reconstituted as Messerschmitt AG on July 11, 1938, with Willy Messerschmitt as chairman and managing director. The renaming of BFW resulted in the company's RLM designation changing from Bf to Me for all newer designs after the acquisition date.
toonsis 2 years ago
The "BF" -no need to translate, I speak the language-the pilots did not use the term BF at all, -to them it was "May hundert neun" as it was pronounced-never BF109.And when you very cleverly (so you think) throw in "RLM" - I've actually been there.Trust me, no member of the Luftwaffe or Propganda Ministry ever referred to it as a "Bf"
Serial numbers of the later models tended to have "Me" as their designation, though admittedly "Bf" was still used
fokjock 2 years ago
The "Bf" was used -on contemporary documents up until "Dora", and thereafter as Me.There is no doubt "Me" was what it was known as to pilots on both sides.
Therefore it was simply a bureacracy label, and even then only used for a relatively short time on documentation.
fokjock 2 years ago
hard landing aircraft,small wheels base but thi pilot is an idiot.
too fast,If you can not land at the first time you have to hang up immediately
sardosfish 2 years ago
These planes where very hard to land because of the narrow wheelbase of the landing gear. Very good pilots crashed BF109s during landing. Shame for one of the last non hispano built Me109.
Vollhirni 2 years ago
You are right. everyone saying "stupid pilot" should do some research.
DANIAC262 2 years ago 2
schade um das flugzeug.gibt ja nich mehr so viele
ANGSTSKATEBOARDING 2 years ago
good plane . bad pilot
IiIF0xIiI 2 years ago
I am glad the pilot is fine. It is a shame to lose a piece aviation history.
a2m203 2 years ago 4
Actually the plane looked rebuildable. I have seen beautiful restoration jobs done on basket case classic cars,so there is also hope for damaged WW11 aircraft.
lander4545 2 years ago
@a2m203 I am shure the aircraft was restored. these aircraft wont go easy because of the history they hold
straighttailpilot 1 year ago
Let's ban people who want to ban these aircraft!
cjs1776 2 years ago 50
@cjs1776
Indeed. We need to make sure these historical aircraft keep flying.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago 6
Top aces were killed in landing accidents, easy to be critical but this guy needed to go around, landing was botched early, never gets better
HRMOKeefe 2 years ago 2
Planes are made 2 fly, not to sit in a museum. The best way to keep them is like they do it in the planes of fame museum in Chino: Colecting rare airplanes, but keeping them in flying condition and hire experienced pilots to show them to the crowd.
Everytime i see such planes in a museum, i get sad because they will never take off again.I´m a pilot, and i love to see these planes flying, not sitting!
44SirLoopalot 2 years ago 3
I agree on both sides kinda. We need to have them around for future generations to enjoy... But seeing them fly is enjoyable in its own way. What are the planes without the engine roaring, thats part of why people love them.
vetitoe362 2 years ago
That sucks. A great plane getting wrecked. This planes need to kept on the ground.
Warmoviefanatic 2 years ago
Such a terrible idea, how can they be properly enjoyed collecting dust in a museum? I love air shows, if you must blame anything in this, blame pilot error or miscalculation.
petey52488 2 years ago
I don't get why they don't just fly reproductions...
DaaanceYouLoser 2 years ago
If you need to ask this question then you will never understand why they fly the original planes.
r1wantone 2 years ago
Well then I guess I never will..? Because I really don't see any rationality behind it.
DaaanceYouLoser 2 years ago
I like that p47 thunderbolt in the foreground.
DSmith99000 2 years ago
It always happens while landing. The Bf 109 was renowned for being difficult to land, even by experienced pilots.
Its mainly because of the narrow position of its wheels. Most of the accidents with the 109 in ww2 happened during landing.
Celeon999A 2 years ago 3
I would say that the 109 was more difficult to take off than land. The plane has a wicked tendancy to start turning during take off and when it gains momentum, you can do nothing to stop that. What I've heard, landing of 109 wasn't any different than any other plane. According to finnish veterans.
opmdevil 2 years ago
yes guess why its easy to land for a veteran!!!!!
lfcdave8 2 years ago
i saw that plane its still flying
taco1030 2 years ago
Not this one. After this crash and restoration, it was moved into the Milestones of Flight building at RAFM Hendon Jun. 17/03 static display.
Lightjug 2 years ago 2
Perhaps you're thinking of the Rote Sieben?
SprecheDeutsch 2 years ago
they were solid, good handling planes...in the air. They were also well known to be difficult to land.
SnojetSteve 2 years ago 3
heart breaking to see this again fed up seeing mustangs and spits why not get some axis aircraft back up either replica or originals we of younger years would like to see the other side of the coin too
vappula92 2 years ago 11
there are still alot of them flying, they were still produsing them after the war in spain.
flute4hire 2 years ago
i'm lucky to hear the pilot survived!
but anyway i'm sad for the Me, love this plane for its sound and shilouette:(
quarkser 2 years ago 3
the gear of a me-109 is junk anny way
skateguy9758 2 years ago
yup but besides that it was a great warplane
ehawk15 2 years ago
you need skilld pilot's to fly it propperly
skateguy9758 2 years ago
yeah i know.
ehawk15 2 years ago
Thays why the fighter ace with the most kills ever flew one.....
apocalypse1298 2 years ago
yeah ur kinda right...it was just to weak and too close together...but look at the FW-190, thats the way to make landing gear
Brian79camino 2 years ago 3
very very sad..
Jonnar95 2 years ago
OMG my heart just died :/
Messeschmitt 2 years ago
I was apprenticed to Rolls Royce Patchway when the Daimler Benz engine from this particular aircraft came into the training Department from the RAF ~ca 1975-7. The idea was to get the RR apprentices to refurbish the engine although, to what extent, I was not made aware of . My input FWIW was to take the 12 exhaust port stub outlets to be degreased via tanks of hot trichloroethylene vapour and then beadblasted to remove any corrosion. Beyond that I had no further input as I left the Dept.
overlandr 2 years ago
My grandad was on the main restoration team for Black 6. He always told be that apprentices at rolls rebuilt the engine, but i wasn't sure.
Now I know
pablomason635 2 years ago
If I remember correctly, the pilot of this was former Air Chief Marshal Sir John Allison and if my memory serves me correctly this aircraft suffered an engine failure and he tried to put it down as safely as he could.
SirJamesIV 2 years ago
senseless!!!,was he a sqd.leader...?
GerrieJohan 2 years ago
A Me-109E crash landed in our local park during the battle of Britain. It was flying that low
LeBaron21 2 years ago
I will NEVER understand why he didn't throttle up and go around, this was a senseless accident. I've been around warbirds thirty years, this should have easily been avoided.
nachtjager77 2 years ago 6
enginefailure ;)
dutchforces 2 years ago
it was repaired the same year and is now on display at RAF Hendon
luckystrike76 2 years ago
I know it sounds like conspiracy theory but I will never believe that the Sdn Ldr flying Black 6 in 1997 wasn't told to overshoot to make it easier to ground the aeroplane against a strong public campaign to keep it flying. It was unfortunate that he ground-looped it on an unprepared field.
Sheerwater909 2 years ago
Was the Black 6 restored?
AtomWofW 2 years ago
Hopefully they can or will rebuild her.
JackFlemingFan 2 years ago
we can rebuild here we have the technology
balongaboy 2 years ago
I'm just glad it did'nt hit the real planes parked next to the runway.
amoswt 2 years ago
It crashed because the pilot forgot to close the radiator-flaps (gave it too much lift for successful landing).
Langnasen 2 years ago
Are you sure a Mustang did'nt shoot him down?
amoswt 2 years ago
53 years old and such a stupid reply, c´mon You gotta be kidding with that comment of Yours. A Mustang shooting down planes 1997...good stuff for Hollywood dude
grazyarnie 2 years ago 2
lol this was common with this plane during ww2 also, hard to land, hard to do anything with.
nolifemerc 2 years ago
1:00 - why they use mirror image? ;P
Sephy7777 2 years ago
Sephy7777. Well spotted. I did not notice that the archive black and white footage of the BF109 at( 1 minute)the numbers on the fuselage 7 and 12 have been flipped 180 degrees..... Thanks for spotting that.
Regards
MightyQuinn57 2 years ago
It was a ruse to confuse spotters, they looked like they were flying backwards.
NunsAllowed 2 years ago