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An actor dressed as a clown reading out nonsense that would have Paine laughing his head off. Is the educational standard in the US so low this dross works?
This video is a slander of Thomas Paine. He was a great patriot and a liberal and a hater of organized religion. This actor should stop dressing up like Paine and spewing this teabagger crap.
He want's to preserve the nation and you a dumb ass call it "teabagger crap".
Thats fucking mature. I love how you call unity and tollerance "tea bagger crap".
Bob basso knows more about thomas pane then you.
thomas pain WOULD of condemned moden liberalism would he be a libertarian libertarian YES liberal as in Obama loving liberal not in your crack smoking life.
till you bring rhe actual thomass pain To out time STFU.
@AlderTheKitty Thomas Paine wrote that the land belonged to all people, so landowners should be taxed to provide a fund for all 21 year olds to compensate them for their loss of property, and they should also fund Social Security for all people over 50. That sounds like socialism to me. Paine was a radical liberal.
Enhough to keep a persons head above water and to make someone of them self.
Not to the point where "poor helpless blacks" have flat screen tv's but while the hard working welfair agents Can't afford the supposed impovereished people who need they're help.
But yeah Unity is BS!!!! sure fuck tard Getting allong as a single Coheasive nation with Respect for eachother as ONE group simply called Americans. no none of the founding fauthers Would of preached such as thing.
@calamagrostis88 People who want to lower taxes because high taxes can smother and kill an economy is apparently a bad thing. I love how people label "teabaggers" and "racists" for people who want lower taxes and for the govt. to follow the law on the books LOL. So many of you kids are so uneducated these days and uniformed.
@Warpath2198 You are entitled to your opinion, but my point is that this radical anti-tax anti-government teabagger postition was not at all the politics of Thomas Paine. This actor is slandering Paine by posing as him to spread the teabagger propaganda.
@calamagrostis88 Its not an opinion its fact. The modern Tea Part is for lowering taxes, fiscal responsibility, and for the govt. to follow the constitution. The libtards are the ones making up all of the other "facts" about the Tea Party. As for Thomas Paine he is the one who wrote against the Tyrannical British and it makes sense that he is playing that char now aka we have a soft Tyranny in Washington. It doesn't matter what Paine's vision of govt. was.
@Warpath2198 Supporting lower taxes is a political position, not a fact. Thomas Paine was railing against against a monarchy and the British government where Americans had no vote. If we vote for more taxes or fewer taxes that is democracy, not tyranny. If this loudmouthed actor wants to advocate for lower taxes that is his right, but he has no right to slander the name of one of our greatest founding fathers.
@Warpath2198 Fiscal Responsibility? Do you mean when the Republicans funded two huge invasions and occupations and at the same time had a huge tax cut? Or maybe when they passed a massive unfunded drug benefit that gives millions of taxpayer dollars to the drug companies without any ability to negotiate lower prices? Or was it when they allowed the financial industry to turn our economy into an casino, and when they lost the bet the taxpayers had to bail them out?
"The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun, in which they put a man called Christ in the place of the sun, and pay him the adoration originally payed to the sun."
He also said:
"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
@jjmcreal, it's not even that most Founding Fathers were atheist. A lot of the Founding Fathers were into Christian mysticism & their thoughts on religion were guided by the enlightenment-era philosophical construct of Rationalism. This means some founding fathers were atheists, some were deists, but NONE of them would ever fall into the idiocy of reading the bible literally & saying the earth is 6,000 years old or thinking the world is about to end in 5 years.
Phenominal ! ! ! ....I'm English and this speech nearly had me on my feet!
We in England are struggling with the same issues with our government creating a national school curriculum that erases indigenous identity, redefines 'liberalism' and teaches that Britain is the cause of all evil. The people at the root of this problem are very sinister and influence/control many nations.
@AEngleSaex Not surprising since some Brits in England supported American Revolution like the great conservative Edmund Burke. Personally I read up on Western Europe for years and their history. Whats going on today is very scary.
A "hypenated-American" is NOT an American! Keep your values... but if you want to be an American... BE an American and not a "something else" American. You left your country... leave your past ways at the border.
If Thomas Paine were alive right now, he would be shocked to see brown people running around free, large objects flying across the sky, people zipping around the strangely paved roads in metal boxes, and the magic window with talking people that we are looking at now would send him shrieking out of the room.
Seriously, this guy is spewing Republican Party talking points when the real Paine would make a beeline directly to Libertarian Party headquarters.
words are cheap. words will NOT take this country back, just like words did NOT form this country. This country was made from the BLOOD of REAL patriots, not armchair patriots who want things fixed but think legislation will do it. It will not, You call for a bloodless revolution yet where, in history, has that ever worked? NO WHERE. Change is brought about by the blood and sacrifice of TRUE patriots.
Well I live in California Proposition 8 has been over turned this really outrages me . I hate liberalizm really bad. It's time to have a Revolution now .
@Daniel2131990, what do you mean by "time to have a Revolution now?"
Are you advocating more classical American Right-Wing Terrorism?
What's wrong with letting the LGBT community have the same equal rights as all other Americans?
Are you some kind of bigot?
...or do you adhere to some highly unorthodox branch of Fanatical Biblical literalist Evangelical "christianity." Evangelicals tend to be extremely unchristian.
@Daniel2131990 , why does prop 8 overturning outrage you? because you voted for it? or because such a law, singling out ONE class of people to deny rights open to ALL Americans, outrage you?
40 years and learning I guess it is true we never stop learning. Now this person is portraying Thomas pain, I wish there were more like him it would be nice to see a George Washington. Oh In Belling Ham Wa, I was surprised at the reenactment of Paul revere. right down to the boy on the soap box yelling out the time t'll the actual person representing Paul Revere. road buy saying the british are coming. WOW.
@DaviidHill ok your right via of freedom of speech has been heard, Now I exert my Freedom of Speech, If you do not like what america has to offer then Move to another country where there is no constitution and see how long you survive.
A country that choses security over freedom deserves neither Security nor Freedom.
If you don't take stand for something, you will fall for anything.
@ShutterbugW, of course I have a right to freedom of speech! I love America & that's why I'm not going to be the proverbial "yes man" that conservatives, libertarians, and Tea Party idiots like to be and then go ahead & pretend as if America doesn't have any room for improvement. look at the back of a $1 bill. You see that incomplete pyramid? That was meant to symbolize that America is a work in PROGRESS!
I know you hate progressive values, but many founding fathers were liberals.
@mecher3k you read Common Sense? then you would know that Thomas Paine was in a time that the tyrant was taxing and oppressing the Colonists not trying to collapse a nation.
"You cannot unite around differences" - right, right, right!
I have to quote the Bible at this point (I don't always, btw):
"....we all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment."
I think it is similar to what he is saying.
Wonderful video and especially the words, which are so true. Take heed to his words. Unite behind the common bond, as he says here. TAKE BACK AMERICA NOW!!!!
All you dummies need to see that the usual usurpers are still taking us to a one world communist dictatorship. They have you bickering according to plan. The msm tells you what to think and who to be mad at and why.They have an easy job because..well..I don't know why you all can't see the ol' divide and conquer being pulled over and over and over.It's this simple..watch "khazar conspiracy" "invisible empire" "kosher tax" People, msm runs interference while wallstreet robs you. They are team.
"Every proprietor, therefore, of cultivated lands, owes to the community a ground-rent...for the land which he holds; and it is from this ground-rent that [we should] create a national fund, out of which there shall be paid to every person, when arrived at the age of twenty-one years, the sum of fifteen pounds sterling, as a compensation in part, for the loss of his or her natural inheritance, by the introduction of the system of landed property." - Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice.
I don't understand. Did this man skip civics class or something? TP wrote repeatedly in favor of financial support for the poor. At least your average convention nerd dressed up as Darth Vader has actually watched Star Wars. With this guy it seems like he just picked a name at random.
When you hear the Teaheads say that they AREN'T Republicans but Patriots, or John Adams, or George Washington, or the Minutemen, or whatever.... What they are ACTUALLY SAYING IS, DON'T CALL US (BUSH) REPUBLICANS anymore!
They know the Bush legacy. It smells. They know what state of chaos Bush left of this nation. So they know that they CANNOT argue the following...
YES, RE-ELECT US REPUBLICANS, THE SAME MORONS THAT TRASHED THIS NATION. TRUST US.
This guy is dead right, love his theatrical format too. Look for forward to more from him, most Americans are in line with his views as they follow the constitution rather then some feel good, subjective, unreasonable, freedom robbing, lazy, ideology that some out there clearly possess. I will take the path of freedom, liberty, and righteousness over the easiest path. I accept the burden of providing for myself & family and demand the liberty that comes with it.
I've alway's wondered what all you people do that post these comment's.Are any of you politician's,historian's,teacher's,professor's,scientist's,archeologist's or in the armed service's?Or are all you people just the type of asshole's that have an opinion with you'r own self educated knowledge on how you view the world and trying to impose you'r idea's and point of view on everybody else like alot of these video's do?I think it's the post comment.I liked the video.
@garnerdonnie Donnie, I am certain that most of the liberal posters here on YT are total idiots! No all mind you, but take 1 look at the MOST POPULAR videos, their spelling and grammar, and even their "handles/names" and you will see that the majority of people on youtube are idiots with nothing better to do. These Bob Basso videos are AWESOME and full of TRUTH (something liberals hate)
@ProudConservative2 Yeah i try not to argue with idiot's on here,and their's alot,i saw this video by Charlie Sheen supporting the idea of 9/11 being an inside job but the thing about the video was Cocaine Charlie left out anything that stated otherwise,he had video of the plane crashing into the pentagon but omitted the scene's that show's the plane crashing into it and all the people commenting supported his point of view so i had to call them idiot's.My box has been blowing up since.
DaviidHill......Having "freedom of speech" means we all have to be tolerant to your opinion, but I would suggest you spend more time learning the facts before you demonstrate your ignorance!
I wasn't really expressing very much opinion. I was demonstrating facts. I simply said that when this historical revisionist speaks of a "common bond" & speaks out against multiculturalism in the context of right-wing talking points, it's pretty easy to see that, if you happen to be a bigot, you could very comfortably hide behind the principles he talks about.
@Megaman21230, why am I the reason this country is going down in flames? Is it because I can point out the potential for bigotry when I see it & because I'm not afraid to bring it up?
The reason our country is hurting has a lot more to do with the foolishness of our economic policy that began with Reagan & really has never stopped. Fiscal conservatism just isn't sustainable in the long term.
Notice, I'm NOT saying that what Bob Basso is saying is NECESSARILY nor definitively bigoted! I said I even agree with some of the undelying principles & issues he's talking about.
However, I said that if you combine his RHETORIC (the WAY he's saying something) with WHAT he's talking about, you could do the math & figure out that closeted bigots would feel very comfortable HIDING behind the principles he talks about
If you're associating newly-arrived immigrants, minorities, & the poor with criminality with the rhetorical language of the "INTERNATIONAL HALF-WAY HOUSE," then you're laying down the foundation for ideas that lean on the side of bigotry.
Suddenly, you don't have to say brown people & people with funny accents make you uncomfortable.
All you have to do is say "I hate crime." Let's get tough on crime.
@DaviidHill Your remarks do nothing but prove who the bigot is here. You are as offensive as the rest of the America bashing, entitlement demanding population. I will pray for you though, and I hope that you can someday shed your narrow minded ideas. I am sure that there are other places in the world you would feel much more comfortable living seeing as you have absolutely no respect for this country. Go play your race card somewhere else.
@hellonwheels141, as a person of faith myself, I thank you for the prayers, but you are totally wrong about what you think of me. I'm neither narrow-minded nor bigoted. There's nothing wrong with what conservatives keep demeaning as "entitlements" those entitlements simply allow room for a society & an economy to function properly. I'm not playing the "race card." I'm just saying that this is a convenient way to hide bigotry IF you HAPPEN to be bigoted
"now the enemy within say that you must destroy American sovereignty, open your borders and become an international HALF-WAY HOUSE for the rest of the world"
Think about the choice of language. What is that saying about what he thinks about immigration & diversity in general? Reconcile that with his over-simplistic view on illegal immigration & you start to get an idea that, if you do happen to be a bigot, then that's perfectly fine because you have these principles to hide behind.
Look at the phrase "HALF-WAY HOUSE." That fits in to the general idea, a problem really in American society, wherein we simply associate minorities, newly arrived immigrants, and the poor with CRIMINALITY regardless of whether or not there actually is a higher frequency of criminal behavior in these groups.
On the one hand, this guy is complaining about how immigrants need to learn English & assimilate. On the other hand, this same guy is COMPLAINING about what he calls the "welfare state." Well somebody needs to explain to this idiot WHICH entity out there is going to educate newly arrived immigrants & help them assimilate. Worst of all, this guy complains about a break-down in the common bond while AT THE SAME TIME speaking out AGAINST those things that would restore a common bond
@MrZbeckmann, excuse me, but did I say something that personally offended you?
It's funny how conservatives talk about "common sense," but then turn around and say & do things that run COUNTER to common sense, rational thinking, and logic. It's worth noting that "common sense" is more conservative code for justifying the dumbing-down of complex issues into simple black-and-white positions that don't come close to capturing complex realities
From the corporate bastards that own us...'Common Sense'
Borders...yep close em/except for commerce
taxes. yep pre Raygun
Wars...we dont have any/bring them home. Put any that volunteer on the border, and in the gulf as we should be smart enough to control oil leaks. Put them on the 'Rigs'. FUCK BP AND HALLIBURTON!
If there is a country in the world where concord, according to common calculation, would be least expected, it is America. Made up as it is of people from different nations, accustomed to different forms and habits of government, speaking different languages, and more different in their modes of worship, ....and all the parts are brought into cordial unison.
@SamWiseGingy Some kind of organised religious ritual from another planet.
I guess it depends on 'what is cordial unison'. It was simple as 'love each other', and we were'nt actually divided by a 2 party political system....Hell, who knows our limitations. Trust but verify govt/churches/institutions etc.
I seem to sense a problem, any time someone starts a 'club'. Groups tend to center towards 'non thinkers' and access for hierarchy.
I wouldnt join a club that would have me for a member.
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of... Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."- Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)
@theskepticsskeptic In Rights of Man Paine has a 14 part social program that makes LBJ look like a piker. No one could read Rights of Man and see that Paine was no conservative. Paine wanted to use the government to fix society and wanted to tax the rich to pay for it. If that is not the difinition of a Liberal I don't know what is.
This idiot should just shut-up and go jack-off into a Gadsden "Don't Tread On Me" flag to some Ronald Reagan speeches!!!
He has no clue what he's talking about! He's actually fomenting hatred & bigotry using all the same code words & rhetoric that conservatives normally use: never use any specific words, but always hint at the idea that, if you happen to be a bigot, that's okay...because you always have a set of ideological positions to hide behind!
"When it shall be said in any country of the world, my poor are happy, neither ignorance or distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars, the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive . . . When these things can be said, then may that country boast its constitution and its government."
@SamWiseGingy, I know Thomas Paine would actually be considered a liberal by today's standards...or, if you're a modern conservative/libertarian, you'd basically call him a Communist, of course not knowing the difference between Communism, Socialism, Marxism, Social Democracy, and progressive values.
Can you imagine a modern politician saying the things in that quote? He'd be unelectable! This is historical revisionism at its worst!
@DaviidHill I agree, Mr. Hill. If a politician said those things today, they would be unelectable. Guess no one buys into love of country, freedom, and doing what is right. However far away from Paine's actual views this guy may be, what did he say that was so evil?
The issue is identity theft. If he called himself Paul Revere he could say anything he wants because Paul Revere as far as I know didn't write anything and didn't have an ideology.
If we love this country, then we are obligated to some respect for her history.
When you turn a Thomas Paine into a ventriloquist dummy you mock him and the ideas he stood for and the suffering he endured to promote those ideas.
@SamWiseGingy I can see where you are coming from. Theft? Eh, maybe from a philosophical standpoint. This particular vid seems to touch more on illegal immigration, patriotism, etc, rather than helping the poor, taxing the wealthy, yada, yada, yada......So, I guess I'd like to see more on what the ACTUAL Paine thought about things like that. Only on 4th chap of Common Sense, so I'll have to get back to you.
"If there is a country in the world where concord, according to common calculation, would be least expected, it is America. Made up as it is of people from different nations, accustomed to different forms and habits of government, speaking different languages, and more different in their modes of worship,....and all the parts are brought into cordial unison."
@SamWiseGingy Sounds like Paine expected diversity in a country such as America. But being Americans, should we not all be united in a common language, a common cause, a common flag, constitution, etc. I would hate to think someone would pledge allegiance to the flag when becoming a citizen, and NOT consider themselves American.
"Cordial unison", huh? I dont think Paine meant everyone speaking a different language could bring unison. How could it? Doesnt make sense.
There are atleast two issue here. 1.What did Paine say vs. what did Basso say.
It is obvious Paine and Basso have a different attitude toward diversity. It is also obvious that Basso considers a common langauge essential. Paine explictly did not. This is a specific instance where Basso says something Paine would not.
2. Should we have an offical language? Basso says yes. IMO Paine would say no. Conservatives agree with Basso, most Liberal agree with me and I suspect Paine.
@SamWiseGingy Maybe by different languages,he ment in the home.If I were to go live in France,Russia,or Mexico,I would be expected to learn the language and only speak Englisg in my home.Yet if they come here and can speak Spanish all they want?There is nothing wrong with being proud of one's heritage,but one must be willing to adapt and learn the language of the nation one is living in.
@SunlitTrollFilms If I dressed up like Charles Darwin and called myself Charles Darwin and started spouting creationism you would say what I was doing was identity theft.
Bob Basso is a fraud and he is committing identity theft and he is making a mockery of one of our founding fathers, Thomas Paine.
Whether or not you agree with Basso is not the point. Whether or not Basso's rants reflect Paine's views are the point.
@SunlitTrollFilms, part of the genius of what Bob Basso is saying is that it's not necessarily "evil." I personally can agree with the underlying principles of what he's talking about, regarding the common bond. HOWEVER, as I was hinting at before, the rhetoric of a common bond is being used in this context of a larger campaign for a modern right-wing narrative that does, in fact, tacitly promote or excuse bigotry
@DaviidHill It is you, sir, that has no clue. I would assume from your remarks that we must have viewed two different videos. Not to worry though. When the time comes for Americans to stand tall and proud you can remain seated as you are obviously one of the cowards that he talks about. You are the problem.
@hellonwheels141, I honestly don't see what gives you the right to call me a "coward" because I'm actually courageous enough to point out the POTENTIAL for bigotry when I see it. I'm very proud of America & that's why I refuse to be the proverbial "yes man," & keep going on pretending like everything's alright & there's never any room for improvement the way so many misguided conservaives do.
@DaviidHill typical libtard comment. You dumb fuck, yoiu will soon be owned by Obama's socialist goverment. Get a fucking job and instead posting comments on youtube while sucking off hard working tax payers. What a dumb fuck
@theactorsworkshop, Obama's government is absolutely NOT a socialist government by any stretch of the imagination! He's just another post-Reagan Democrat President who panders to foolish pro-business right-wing ideas of "small government" & "tax cuts." My employment has nothing to do with my politics. If you want a well-functioning American society, pay your taxes (don't bitch about paying them either) & the government will maintain it. Otherwise go live in Somalia, where they have NO government
@DaviidHiII HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! OMG!!! Are you kidding? NOT a Socialist government??? Where the have you been living? Under a rock? Come back in a year, when your taxes have skyrocketed...along with your gas and electric bill, and let me hear the same thing from you. You'll see.
@cantomagica, first off, do you even know what "socialism" even is, or do you just call anything you don't like "socialism?" since the 1980s, this country's moved so far to the right that anything that even LOOKS like it MIGHT progressive is seen as "socialist"
That said, Obama's health care plan was based on the Romney plan, which was vetted by the Right Wing Heritage foundation. Even Obama's Tax Scheme is more right wing than Ronald Reagan's. There's absolutely NOTHING socialist about Obama
The Common Bond was broken when you looked the other way, as the fat cats raped your jobs. As the priests finger banged your newborns. As the pro-athlete's salaries grew to multi-millions (for chasing a ball around a field). As you gave praise to the wealthy, because they produced "jobs", when in fact they outsourced your jobs and left your country flat broke. --- You looked the other way.
I contend that few of Marxs original ideas are practical and that none are brilliant when viewed with common sense for the outcome. That is an interesting piece, it is a self-serving, esoteric, and intentionally obscure piece to support his views of government. Since you have provided cover for your failed argument by diverting attention 3 times. There you go again diverting from the discussion.
I only have 500 characters so I can't debate with you here except to say that Revolutions are about social and economic justice and that the issues in Amercia, England and France were very much the same. You are entitled to your view of government, the issue is what was Paine's view. If you read Paine you will find that he more like FDR than Glenn Beck or Bob Basso.
@erictarbox : Agrarian justice was sarcasm? You just lost any credibility or respect you might have had in this debate. Seriously, that was a stupid answer.
@ninjapirate0507 Then how can a writer state " Every man wishes to pursue his occupation, and to enjoy the fruits of his labours and the produce of his property in peace and safety, and with the least possible expense. When these things are accomplished, all the objects for which government ought to be established are answered." Then support a government so large that it must ransom the fruits of a mans labor to his / her heirs to support itself. Unless one of those is sarcasm.
@erictarbox : Or maybe you just really suck at paragraph comprehension. Also you seem to be reading what he wrote to suit your point of view, rather than try to see what HE meant. Continued...
How can a man pursue his occupation if giant corporations (e.g. Walmart) have run him out of business? How many people are now out of work thanks to the deregulation of the financial industry? How many people do not live prosperously thanks to the giant knife of capitalism stuck in their backs? It seems to me that the objects for which government was established has not been answered quite yet.
If there is a country in the world where concord, according to common calculation, would be least expected, it is America. Made up as it is of people from different nations, accustomed to different forms and habits of government, speaking different languages, and more different in their modes of worship, it would appear that the union of such a people was impracticable,... and all the parts are brought into cordial unison. T Paine The Rights of Man
this is more conservative non-sense and a massive misuse of Paine. Our founders should be honored and revered for their bravery, genius, and sacrifice, but not worshiped as gods, they were not gods and our constitution is not a bible, it has to interpreted to the times, otherwise it is sterile an ineffective.
@theskepticsskeptic That is why they were attempting to make a "More perfect union". They knew they weren't Gods, but they knew that a Theocracy / Monarchy / Autocracy that took what they wanted from the serfs wasn't in the individuals best interest. If we interpret the Constitution to the times we have a suicide pact of monumental proportion, Oh wait that is what is happening.
@erictarbox "suicide pact" WTF where did you get that shit? Hiding behind origihal intent of an 18th century document in the 21st century is not patriotic, its moronic, intelligent people believe in learning from history not reliving it. Adapt or perish!
@theskepticsskeptic You are right intelligent people do learn from the past failures, unfortunately, we as a nation have failed to see those failures. Keynesian economics is the first one that comes to mind. A complete understanding of it shows it as the economic policy of Karl Marx and the Communist Manifesto. As the past century has proven, those policies are total and complete failures and result in the destruction of an otherwise healthy country. Adapt or perish, seriously¿
@erictarbox Otherwise healthy county !!! What, too big to fail, $20hr jobs gone to china, replaced with $10 jobs and no benefits? What county are you living in? I didnt see world renowned economist in your profile (how many countries have you ruled?). true experts cant agree on this, wheres your control? Weve never had a free market, its always been REGULATED!!
@theskepticsskeptic Too big to fail. $20hr jobs to China. Both are Progressive ideals of a global government (Communism). Next time read the "Communist Manifesto" and bring that to the conversation. Hmmmm World Renowned Economist, may be true, but I am married to one.
@erictarbox : No, Some of the Ideas of Marx is not practical, some of it is quite brilliant. Have you read anything of Marx besides the Communist Manifesto? How about "A critique of Hegel's philosophy of right"? What's that you don't even know who Hegel was? lol Socialism is responsible for making the world a better place. If it was up to libertarians and the like Children would still be working 16 hour days in hot factories. You know who promoted labor laws to protect people? Socialists.
@SunlitTrollFilms : Libertarians are against regulation. Socialism is for regulation to protect the people. You can thank socialists for your labor laws, minimum wage, and health and occupational standards. You can thank libertarians for..........
@ninjapirate0507 Socialism regulates people. You can thank Libertarians for your industry, education, universities, jobs, better built houses. I have been to Communist countries that had it's citizens in cardboard houses. That is your Marxist Heaven. Spreading the Wealth of the wealthy only spreads the Misery of the Masses.
@erictarbox: YES! Regulates that they cannot exploit other people for their own personal gain. So all that built those industries were libertarian? Bullshit. I am a democratic socialist, not a communist, of course to your ignorant mind there is no difference. I am not a Marxist. All socialism did not come from Marx. Here is a suggestion, go pick up a book and read , you just might learn something, (I am holding out hope lol) Oh, and something written by other than a fox news personality please.
@ninjapirate0507 Actually I have been re-reading The Federalist Papers. They were not solely built by Libertarians they were built by Christians, Jews and Deists that happened to want to make a better place in the world for themselves. A Democratic Socialist¿ How far are you willing to take a great country and mess it up until you are dis-satisfied with the result you have created¿
@erictarbox : Are you having trouble writing coherent sentences?You just said "They were not solely.... libertarians they were built by Christians Jews and Deists..." That makes it sound like a Christian, Jew or Deist cannot be a libertarian which makes no sense. Since Democratic Socialists only have one seat in congress (Vermont) so how can you blame the nation's ill`s on us? Last time I checked the last the last century had a lot of Republican Presidents, but no Democratic socialists. Cont...
Conservatives ruined this nation. Please look through history, and see what made us great. It was not merely free market capitalism , but the rule of law in our nation, that protected everyone's liberty. Where we went astray, was usually the result of infringements on those liberties. To protect those liberties we must have regulation. Otherwise it is anarchy, something I am sure you would approve of.
@ninjapirate0507 "but no Democratic socialists" - You say that like its a bad thing. And FYI, you dont need to be wearing your "Hi: Im a Democratic Socialist" sticker to be one. Just look at who we have in Washington, and the policies being set forth. You should be happy.
@SunlitTrollFilms: I have no control over how you perceive things in your twisted little mind, so I am going to ignore your first statement. One's political affiliation is what they decide it is. It is a conservative propaganda method to try to portray all leftists, starting with the rather centrist democrats, as communists or worse, a method first started by the red baiting treasonous Sen. McCarthy. I am happy that we are moving in a better direction than Bush, but it is far from socialist.
@ninjapirate0507 Not really sure what you mean here. Welfare reform? If I'm pissed off over the way conservative pigs ruined this country, why would I hand it over to a socialist pig who stands for open borders, higher taxes, and government control and regulation over all aspects of my life.
@SunlitTrollFilms: I meant exactly what I wrote, but don't hurt yourself trying to grasp it. The conservative "pigs" as you call them, ruined the nation by allowing corporations to kill our economy eliminate jobs and all while making golden parachutes for themselves. The Socialists would advocate regulation to keep business honest, and people working. Democratic socialists don't stand for open borders, just for human rights. We need to secure our borders, but not by racial profiling.
@SamWiseGingy Paine was a liberal. However, liberal meant something different back then. What it didnt mean is handing control over everything to the government.
@SunlitTrollFilms Yes Paine was a liberal then and yes he would be a liberal now. Paine's economic policies foreshadowed the New Deal. Read Agrarian Justice. In AJ Paine argues for social security in France in 1795, paid for by the land owners out of wealth they had accumulated by underpaying their workers.
In any case Paine would have thought Basso an idiot.
@SamWiseGingy Well, I will do that. As I am new to Paine, I would be remiss if I didnt. However, Im up to his chapter on Monarchy/Hereditary rite, and it doesnt seem to me that a man with these views, would be willing to hand over so much control to a government of any kind. Seems to me to be sacrificing rights for security.
Here is where Paine is going: "When it shall be said in any country of the world, my poor are happy, neither ignorance or distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars, the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive . . . When these things can be said, then may that country boast its constitution and its government."
@SamWiseGingy All of these things I think aply to America now. But the part that stuck out (in terms of socialism -vs- free market) was the "taxes are not oppressive". Seems to be headed that way now, if it hasn't gotten there already. Just a guess, but I dont think you NEED socialism to empty your prisons, or clear the streets of beggars. Hmmm......
@SunlitTrollFilms The point is that Basso says things that Thomas Paine never would have, and leaves things unsaid that Piane would have said. Paine had sympathy for the poor and believed that governments ought to have sympathy as well. Basso expresses no such view.
When you take on the name of founding father and wear his mantle you assume the burden of fairly representing his views to the best of your ability.
@SamWiseGingy - I submit that the emphasis for concern for the poot should be taken off the government, and placed with people. Sure people mess up, and are greedy. But gather them all together (in the form of a ruling body), and you get screw ups and greed on an even larger scale.
And so you know, I appreciate the level of civility in this conversation. Thank you.
@ninjapirate0507 The original call for a "Tea Party" was by a CNBC reporter from the floor of the Chicago Exchange over his frustration over the bailouts of the past year. Rick Santelli's Chicago Tea Party Rant The complete video can be found there. I agree that the original "Tea Party" was over taxation without representation, but this was his rant and it was a rather encouraging one that has continued beyond his original intent as well.
We need an obedient government. Any time now is good, today would be excellent. No pensions, no 401(k)s, no nothing. Out the door, lawfully, quietly, firmly and confidently.
Americans, on the whole, have forgotten two things: how to serve our own interests in the best way possible, and how to serve the interests and wishes of others. We're like a genie trapped in a bottle, except that WE have have the power to push the cork out, and continue to live our lives as WE choose. Some other countries mastered that centuries ago. We're new on the "block".
@buzzclick500 Between the Late Great wordsmith Tony Snow, the Abrasive Neal Boortz, and the rambling madman Glenn Beck. I have awaken to the fact that I am closer to being a Libertarian than who I thought I was. Business being ab
A house divided against itself cannot stand - Abraham Lincoln
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SherrylSaunders 3 days ago
An actor dressed as a clown reading out nonsense that would have Paine laughing his head off. Is the educational standard in the US so low this dross works?
nilbud 3 weeks ago
Excellent!
dmhtuber 7 months ago
This needs millions of views.
CarlChub 8 months ago
This video is a slander of Thomas Paine. He was a great patriot and a liberal and a hater of organized religion. This actor should stop dressing up like Paine and spewing this teabagger crap.
calamagrostis88 1 year ago
@calamagrostis88
"tebagger crap".
He want's to preserve the nation and you a dumb ass call it "teabagger crap".
Thats fucking mature. I love how you call unity and tollerance "tea bagger crap".
Bob basso knows more about thomas pane then you.
thomas pain WOULD of condemned moden liberalism would he be a libertarian libertarian YES liberal as in Obama loving liberal not in your crack smoking life.
till you bring rhe actual thomass pain To out time STFU.
AlderTheKitty 1 year ago 4
@AlderTheKitty Thomas Paine wrote that the land belonged to all people, so landowners should be taxed to provide a fund for all 21 year olds to compensate them for their loss of property, and they should also fund Social Security for all people over 50. That sounds like socialism to me. Paine was a radical liberal.
calamagrostis88 1 year ago
@AlderTheKitty
Thomas Paine supported a form of welfare state. Clearly a minimal kind, but he definitely supported it.
So perhaps he wouldnt have been considered a Libertarian, in the modern day Ron Paul/Murray Rothbard sense.
SecularNumanist 11 months ago
@SecularNumanist
Enhough to keep a persons head above water and to make someone of them self.
Not to the point where "poor helpless blacks" have flat screen tv's but while the hard working welfair agents Can't afford the supposed impovereished people who need they're help.
But yeah Unity is BS!!!! sure fuck tard Getting allong as a single Coheasive nation with Respect for eachother as ONE group simply called Americans. no none of the founding fauthers Would of preached such as thing.
AlderTheKitty 11 months ago
@calamagrostis88 People who want to lower taxes because high taxes can smother and kill an economy is apparently a bad thing. I love how people label "teabaggers" and "racists" for people who want lower taxes and for the govt. to follow the law on the books LOL. So many of you kids are so uneducated these days and uniformed.
Warpath2198 10 months ago
@Warpath2198 You are entitled to your opinion, but my point is that this radical anti-tax anti-government teabagger postition was not at all the politics of Thomas Paine. This actor is slandering Paine by posing as him to spread the teabagger propaganda.
calamagrostis88 10 months ago
@calamagrostis88 Its not an opinion its fact. The modern Tea Part is for lowering taxes, fiscal responsibility, and for the govt. to follow the constitution. The libtards are the ones making up all of the other "facts" about the Tea Party. As for Thomas Paine he is the one who wrote against the Tyrannical British and it makes sense that he is playing that char now aka we have a soft Tyranny in Washington. It doesn't matter what Paine's vision of govt. was.
Warpath2198 10 months ago
@Warpath2198 Supporting lower taxes is a political position, not a fact. Thomas Paine was railing against against a monarchy and the British government where Americans had no vote. If we vote for more taxes or fewer taxes that is democracy, not tyranny. If this loudmouthed actor wants to advocate for lower taxes that is his right, but he has no right to slander the name of one of our greatest founding fathers.
calamagrostis88 10 months ago
@Warpath2198 Fiscal Responsibility? Do you mean when the Republicans funded two huge invasions and occupations and at the same time had a huge tax cut? Or maybe when they passed a massive unfunded drug benefit that gives millions of taxpayer dollars to the drug companies without any ability to negotiate lower prices? Or was it when they allowed the financial industry to turn our economy into an casino, and when they lost the bet the taxpayers had to bail them out?
calamagrostis88 10 months ago
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Warpath2198 10 months ago
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princeofswine 1 year ago
I like this wish more were made.
SidneyBou 1 year ago
Thomas Paine was English,&an immigrant.
He said:
"The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun, in which they put a man called Christ in the place of the sun, and pay him the adoration originally payed to the sun."
He also said:
"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
Find someone else to idolize,conservatives.
jjmcreal 1 year ago
@jjmcreal, it's not even that most Founding Fathers were atheist. A lot of the Founding Fathers were into Christian mysticism & their thoughts on religion were guided by the enlightenment-era philosophical construct of Rationalism. This means some founding fathers were atheists, some were deists, but NONE of them would ever fall into the idiocy of reading the bible literally & saying the earth is 6,000 years old or thinking the world is about to end in 5 years.
DavidHillI 1 year ago
Phenominal ! ! ! ....I'm English and this speech nearly had me on my feet!
We in England are struggling with the same issues with our government creating a national school curriculum that erases indigenous identity, redefines 'liberalism' and teaches that Britain is the cause of all evil. The people at the root of this problem are very sinister and influence/control many nations.
AEngleSaex 1 year ago 5
@AEngleSaex Not surprising since some Brits in England supported American Revolution like the great conservative Edmund Burke. Personally I read up on Western Europe for years and their history. Whats going on today is very scary.
Warpath2198 10 months ago
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nilbud 3 weeks ago
You may want to actually read Thomas Paine, then comment on what you think he meant.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
If this guy is Thomas Paine then Im Jesus...
edgarreyes14 1 year ago
A "hypenated-American" is NOT an American! Keep your values... but if you want to be an American... BE an American and not a "something else" American. You left your country... leave your past ways at the border.
ProudConservative2 1 year ago
Its like Glenn Beck in 1776
234TIPPMANNA5 1 year ago
@234TIPPMANNA5
NO it its like Rush Limbaugh in 1776. Are all conservatives so ignorant of our founding fathers or just you?
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy what?
234TIPPMANNA5 1 year ago
Long Live the Revolution!!!
TDAdams81 1 year ago
BRILLIANT!!
aburgheim 1 year ago
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1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
PatriotPaine 1 year ago
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5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.
PatriotPaine 1 year ago
EXCELLENT. Thank you!
cowgirlmoon 1 year ago
If Thomas Paine were alive right now, he would be shocked to see brown people running around free, large objects flying across the sky, people zipping around the strangely paved roads in metal boxes, and the magic window with talking people that we are looking at now would send him shrieking out of the room.
Seriously, this guy is spewing Republican Party talking points when the real Paine would make a beeline directly to Libertarian Party headquarters.
TreachMarkets 1 year ago
I really like his point about the disparity of education, and lowering of standards.
submarineboat 1 year ago
GO Ron ERNEST Paul!!!!!!!!
InLiberty . com supports you!!!!
WWFDinLiberty 1 year ago
Thank God for people like this!!! I salute you sir!!
recon1s14 1 year ago
words are cheap. words will NOT take this country back, just like words did NOT form this country. This country was made from the BLOOD of REAL patriots, not armchair patriots who want things fixed but think legislation will do it. It will not, You call for a bloodless revolution yet where, in history, has that ever worked? NO WHERE. Change is brought about by the blood and sacrifice of TRUE patriots.
oldhipp13 1 year ago
Well I live in California Proposition 8 has been over turned this really outrages me . I hate liberalizm really bad. It's time to have a Revolution now .
Daniel2131990 1 year ago
@Daniel2131990, what do you mean by "time to have a Revolution now?"
Are you advocating more classical American Right-Wing Terrorism?
What's wrong with letting the LGBT community have the same equal rights as all other Americans?
Are you some kind of bigot?
...or do you adhere to some highly unorthodox branch of Fanatical Biblical literalist Evangelical "christianity." Evangelicals tend to be extremely unchristian.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@Daniel2131990 , why does prop 8 overturning outrage you? because you voted for it? or because such a law, singling out ONE class of people to deny rights open to ALL Americans, outrage you?
oldhipp13 1 year ago
40 years and learning I guess it is true we never stop learning. Now this person is portraying Thomas pain, I wish there were more like him it would be nice to see a George Washington. Oh In Belling Ham Wa, I was surprised at the reenactment of Paul revere. right down to the boy on the soap box yelling out the time t'll the actual person representing Paul Revere. road buy saying the british are coming. WOW.
ShutterbugW 1 year ago
I am 40 years old and still learning about history. and I have much to learn and to unlearn.
ShutterbugW 1 year ago
I wonder if this moron ever read agrarian justice.
evilsoda00 1 year ago
@DaviidHill ok your right via of freedom of speech has been heard, Now I exert my Freedom of Speech, If you do not like what america has to offer then Move to another country where there is no constitution and see how long you survive.
A country that choses security over freedom deserves neither Security nor Freedom.
If you don't take stand for something, you will fall for anything.
ShutterbugW 1 year ago
@ShutterbugW, of course I have a right to freedom of speech! I love America & that's why I'm not going to be the proverbial "yes man" that conservatives, libertarians, and Tea Party idiots like to be and then go ahead & pretend as if America doesn't have any room for improvement. look at the back of a $1 bill. You see that incomplete pyramid? That was meant to symbolize that America is a work in PROGRESS!
I know you hate progressive values, but many founding fathers were liberals.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
Fuck you, AmeriKKKa...racist old shit-head
Laszlo49766 1 year ago
@Laszlo49766
Now Now, equal Rights for all.
Like the Educations System and mantra of "No child Left Behind", The rights are as Wisely Follows.
1. Intellectuals Create Direction
2. The Representatives Follow Directions
3. People are lead.
4. If the people won't fallow, and the bottom can not be raised, then the Heights "MUST BE LOWERED".
This will restore harmony of nature.
PatriotPaine 1 year ago
Words of wisdom from a man and patriot of a bygone era, comprised of common principles, common values, and common sense.
Flametopology 1 year ago
Listen and HEAR...Thomas Paine was intelligent and far seeing!
DominaLadyL 1 year ago
@DominaLadyL
Thomas Paine was against nearly every thing this retard said.
mecher3k 1 year ago
@mecher3k you read Common Sense? then you would know that Thomas Paine was in a time that the tyrant was taxing and oppressing the Colonists not trying to collapse a nation.
animelovefome321 1 year ago
@animelovefome321
And? My point still stands.
mecher3k 1 year ago
@mecher3k so what? the point is hes right our country is more separated more now than ever.
animelovefome321 1 year ago
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@animelovefome321
"so what? the point is hes right our country is more separated more now than ever."
Because of the right wing doing it on purpose.
Nazi's did it and they came in power because everyone was so divided and against each other.
mecher3k 1 year ago
@mecher3k
Amen
PatriotPaine 1 year ago
@mecher3k not by a long shot our goverment was a tyrant
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"You cannot unite around differences" - right, right, right!
I have to quote the Bible at this point (I don't always, btw):
"....we all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment."
I think it is similar to what he is saying.
Wonderful video and especially the words, which are so true. Take heed to his words. Unite behind the common bond, as he says here. TAKE BACK AMERICA NOW!!!!
cyphrinfinity 1 year ago
wait what? you wrote the first anti slavery essay? the abolitionist society? freeing slaves?
how did thomas paine get this amazing video in 1775???
spites1 1 year ago
@spites1 eh, have you heard of acting in improv?
ShutterbugW 1 year ago
You have ended the storm in my mind. Seeing common sense is so refreshing. This generation needs a hurricane of common sense!
thedragonb0y 1 year ago
All you dummies need to see that the usual usurpers are still taking us to a one world communist dictatorship. They have you bickering according to plan. The msm tells you what to think and who to be mad at and why.They have an easy job because..well..I don't know why you all can't see the ol' divide and conquer being pulled over and over and over.It's this simple..watch "khazar conspiracy" "invisible empire" "kosher tax" People, msm runs interference while wallstreet robs you. They are team.
sssssjjjj1 1 year ago
"Every proprietor, therefore, of cultivated lands, owes to the community a ground-rent...for the land which he holds; and it is from this ground-rent that [we should] create a national fund, out of which there shall be paid to every person, when arrived at the age of twenty-one years, the sum of fifteen pounds sterling, as a compensation in part, for the loss of his or her natural inheritance, by the introduction of the system of landed property." - Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice.
ianw19 1 year ago
I don't understand. Did this man skip civics class or something? TP wrote repeatedly in favor of financial support for the poor. At least your average convention nerd dressed up as Darth Vader has actually watched Star Wars. With this guy it seems like he just picked a name at random.
9thunknownman 1 year ago
When you hear the Teaheads say that they AREN'T Republicans but Patriots, or John Adams, or George Washington, or the Minutemen, or whatever.... What they are ACTUALLY SAYING IS, DON'T CALL US (BUSH) REPUBLICANS anymore!
They know the Bush legacy. It smells. They know what state of chaos Bush left of this nation. So they know that they CANNOT argue the following...
YES, RE-ELECT US REPUBLICANS, THE SAME MORONS THAT TRASHED THIS NATION. TRUST US.
New RENAME strategy: Call us TEAHEADS!
medartist01 1 year ago
This guy is dead right, love his theatrical format too. Look for forward to more from him, most Americans are in line with his views as they follow the constitution rather then some feel good, subjective, unreasonable, freedom robbing, lazy, ideology that some out there clearly possess. I will take the path of freedom, liberty, and righteousness over the easiest path. I accept the burden of providing for myself & family and demand the liberty that comes with it.
dorightfearnothing 1 year ago
I've alway's wondered what all you people do that post these comment's.Are any of you politician's,historian's,teacher's,professor's,scientist's,archeologist's or in the armed service's?Or are all you people just the type of asshole's that have an opinion with you'r own self educated knowledge on how you view the world and trying to impose you'r idea's and point of view on everybody else like alot of these video's do?I think it's the post comment.I liked the video.
garnerdonnie 1 year ago
@garnerdonnie Donnie, I am certain that most of the liberal posters here on YT are total idiots! No all mind you, but take 1 look at the MOST POPULAR videos, their spelling and grammar, and even their "handles/names" and you will see that the majority of people on youtube are idiots with nothing better to do. These Bob Basso videos are AWESOME and full of TRUTH (something liberals hate)
ProudConservative2 1 year ago
@ProudConservative2 Yeah i try not to argue with idiot's on here,and their's alot,i saw this video by Charlie Sheen supporting the idea of 9/11 being an inside job but the thing about the video was Cocaine Charlie left out anything that stated otherwise,he had video of the plane crashing into the pentagon but omitted the scene's that show's the plane crashing into it and all the people commenting supported his point of view so i had to call them idiot's.My box has been blowing up since.
garnerdonnie 1 year ago
Thomas Pain and his comrades must be turning in their graves
robertwc82 1 year ago
DaviidHill......Having "freedom of speech" means we all have to be tolerant to your opinion, but I would suggest you spend more time learning the facts before you demonstrate your ignorance!
fasttyper888 1 year ago
@fasttyper888, I wasn't being intolerant either.
I wasn't really expressing very much opinion. I was demonstrating facts. I simply said that when this historical revisionist speaks of a "common bond" & speaks out against multiculturalism in the context of right-wing talking points, it's pretty easy to see that, if you happen to be a bigot, you could very comfortably hide behind the principles he talks about.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
DaviidHill is the reason this country is going down in flames.
Megaman21230 1 year ago
@Megaman21230, why am I the reason this country is going down in flames? Is it because I can point out the potential for bigotry when I see it & because I'm not afraid to bring it up?
The reason our country is hurting has a lot more to do with the foolishness of our economic policy that began with Reagan & really has never stopped. Fiscal conservatism just isn't sustainable in the long term.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
Hey David Hill,get a clue.
beantrader77 1 year ago
@beantrader77, oh I do have a clue.
Notice, I'm NOT saying that what Bob Basso is saying is NECESSARILY nor definitively bigoted! I said I even agree with some of the undelying principles & issues he's talking about.
However, I said that if you combine his RHETORIC (the WAY he's saying something) with WHAT he's talking about, you could do the math & figure out that closeted bigots would feel very comfortable HIDING behind the principles he talks about
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
If you're associating newly-arrived immigrants, minorities, & the poor with criminality with the rhetorical language of the "INTERNATIONAL HALF-WAY HOUSE," then you're laying down the foundation for ideas that lean on the side of bigotry.
Suddenly, you don't have to say brown people & people with funny accents make you uncomfortable.
All you have to do is say "I hate crime." Let's get tough on crime.
DaviidHill 1 year ago
@DaviidHill Your remarks do nothing but prove who the bigot is here. You are as offensive as the rest of the America bashing, entitlement demanding population. I will pray for you though, and I hope that you can someday shed your narrow minded ideas. I am sure that there are other places in the world you would feel much more comfortable living seeing as you have absolutely no respect for this country. Go play your race card somewhere else.
hellonwheels141 1 year ago
@hellonwheels141, as a person of faith myself, I thank you for the prayers, but you are totally wrong about what you think of me. I'm neither narrow-minded nor bigoted. There's nothing wrong with what conservatives keep demeaning as "entitlements" those entitlements simply allow room for a society & an economy to function properly. I'm not playing the "race card." I'm just saying that this is a convenient way to hide bigotry IF you HAPPEN to be bigoted
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
"now the enemy within say that you must destroy American sovereignty, open your borders and become an international HALF-WAY HOUSE for the rest of the world"
Think about the choice of language. What is that saying about what he thinks about immigration & diversity in general? Reconcile that with his over-simplistic view on illegal immigration & you start to get an idea that, if you do happen to be a bigot, then that's perfectly fine because you have these principles to hide behind.
DaviidHill 1 year ago
Look at the phrase "HALF-WAY HOUSE." That fits in to the general idea, a problem really in American society, wherein we simply associate minorities, newly arrived immigrants, and the poor with CRIMINALITY regardless of whether or not there actually is a higher frequency of criminal behavior in these groups.
DaviidHill 1 year ago
On the one hand, this guy is complaining about how immigrants need to learn English & assimilate. On the other hand, this same guy is COMPLAINING about what he calls the "welfare state." Well somebody needs to explain to this idiot WHICH entity out there is going to educate newly arrived immigrants & help them assimilate. Worst of all, this guy complains about a break-down in the common bond while AT THE SAME TIME speaking out AGAINST those things that would restore a common bond
DaviidHill 1 year ago
Fuck u DavidHill
MrZbeckmann 1 year ago
@MrZbeckmann, excuse me, but did I say something that personally offended you?
It's funny how conservatives talk about "common sense," but then turn around and say & do things that run COUNTER to common sense, rational thinking, and logic. It's worth noting that "common sense" is more conservative code for justifying the dumbing-down of complex issues into simple black-and-white positions that don't come close to capturing complex realities
DaviidHill 1 year ago
I know Thomas Paine. And you sir are no Thomas Paine.
More like Dan Quayle. A retard with no answers.
If a country is 'stupid' enough to allow borders to be porous', and you have a dictatorship like Mexico = duh?
Lets round em all up. right!! Please.
I keep forgetting only 'corporate types', can find loopholes and porous openings.
FLMAO. So now our forefathers were all conservatives. Texas is eliminating 'Jefferson' from history, and 'lib' from bibles. WTF? heh heh
MrClaydough 1 year ago
Right..take it back!
From the corporate bastards that own us...'Common Sense'
Borders...yep close em/except for commerce
taxes. yep pre Raygun
Wars...we dont have any/bring them home. Put any that volunteer on the border, and in the gulf as we should be smart enough to control oil leaks. Put them on the 'Rigs'. FUCK BP AND HALLIBURTON!
New Law...both parties must split=4 parties
no tax shelters in Cayman/Switzerland
Churches will pay 'small tax'.
Jail Ratzinger now
MrClaydough 1 year ago
You cant deny around differences? I thought we were supposes to celebrate diversity in peoples and thought/ideas?
Thomas Paine for the rich mother fuckers. 'I dont think so'. Paine for the 'Bushy tax cuts? heh heh
Isnt it interesting 12 years ago, when most of us were working. And had less time to find or foment hatred.
Who the problem? If the Feds would have secured the borders years ago...I'd be playing my guitar right now! heh heh
AH FUCK IT...LOVE EACH OTHER.
MrClaydough 1 year ago
@MrClaydough
Paine on diverisity:
If there is a country in the world where concord, according to common calculation, would be least expected, it is America. Made up as it is of people from different nations, accustomed to different forms and habits of government, speaking different languages, and more different in their modes of worship, ....and all the parts are brought into cordial unison.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
Tell folks in the gulf they're not victims.
MrClaydough 1 year ago
@MrClaydough What would say they were then?
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy Some kind of organised religious ritual from another planet.
I guess it depends on 'what is cordial unison'. It was simple as 'love each other', and we were'nt actually divided by a 2 party political system....Hell, who knows our limitations. Trust but verify govt/churches/institutions etc.
I seem to sense a problem, any time someone starts a 'club'. Groups tend to center towards 'non thinkers' and access for hierarchy.
I wouldnt join a club that would have me for a member.
MrClaydough 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy I enjoy your thoughts. Check back with you later.
MrClaydough 1 year ago
@MrClaydough Help me spread the word about what a fraud this Basso character is.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of... Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."- Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)
theskepticsskeptic 1 year ago
@theskepticsskeptic In Rights of Man Paine has a 14 part social program that makes LBJ look like a piker. No one could read Rights of Man and see that Paine was no conservative. Paine wanted to use the government to fix society and wanted to tax the rich to pay for it. If that is not the difinition of a Liberal I don't know what is.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy Tax the shit out of the bastards. Wall st/health care exec's/BP.
In fact jail the bastards at BP, take all their funds, And nationalise their rigs. heh heh
Oohh. Obama's gonna let 'Dubbers' tax cuts for wealthy, expire. Ooh 4%.
'The Horror'...heh heh
MrClaydough 1 year ago
@MrClaydough The issue is Bob Basso and Thomas Paine. But if I understand you correctly I agree that Paine would not be in sympathy with BP.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy Exactly. I was being 'short and smart alec' as was in run mode. And actually was enjoying my read of Paine in Wikipedia.
Need more than a few minutes. What a character.
His church was in his mind. I guess that makes me 'Painian'.
I need to listen to vid closer. Its so hard to even see any of our founding fathers with their mouths open as they 'gape on corporate America'.
Later tho. peace
MrClaydough 1 year ago
So far, what Ive read from Common Sense, doesn't seem to point to the same love affair with government regulation that liberals seem to have today.
SunlitTrollFilms 1 year ago
This idiot should just shut-up and go jack-off into a Gadsden "Don't Tread On Me" flag to some Ronald Reagan speeches!!!
He has no clue what he's talking about! He's actually fomenting hatred & bigotry using all the same code words & rhetoric that conservatives normally use: never use any specific words, but always hint at the idea that, if you happen to be a bigot, that's okay...because you always have a set of ideological positions to hide behind!
DaviidHill 1 year ago 11
@DaviidHill Go back to school, little boy.
SunlitTrollFilms 1 year ago
@DaviidHill Here is the real Thomas Paine:
"When it shall be said in any country of the world, my poor are happy, neither ignorance or distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars, the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive . . . When these things can be said, then may that country boast its constitution and its government."
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy Liberalism actually puts more people in jail than Libertarianism!
erictarbox 1 year ago
@erictarbox
Okay, so you disagree with Paine, that's your right. But don't go around thing the Tea Party attitudes are the attitudes of the founding fathers.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy, I know Thomas Paine would actually be considered a liberal by today's standards...or, if you're a modern conservative/libertarian, you'd basically call him a Communist, of course not knowing the difference between Communism, Socialism, Marxism, Social Democracy, and progressive values.
Can you imagine a modern politician saying the things in that quote? He'd be unelectable! This is historical revisionism at its worst!
DaviidHill 1 year ago 4
@DaviidHill I agree, Mr. Hill. If a politician said those things today, they would be unelectable. Guess no one buys into love of country, freedom, and doing what is right. However far away from Paine's actual views this guy may be, what did he say that was so evil?
SunlitTrollFilms 1 year ago
@SunlitTrollFilms
The issue is identity theft. If he called himself Paul Revere he could say anything he wants because Paul Revere as far as I know didn't write anything and didn't have an ideology.
If we love this country, then we are obligated to some respect for her history.
When you turn a Thomas Paine into a ventriloquist dummy you mock him and the ideas he stood for and the suffering he endured to promote those ideas.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy I can see where you are coming from. Theft? Eh, maybe from a philosophical standpoint. This particular vid seems to touch more on illegal immigration, patriotism, etc, rather than helping the poor, taxing the wealthy, yada, yada, yada......So, I guess I'd like to see more on what the ACTUAL Paine thought about things like that. Only on 4th chap of Common Sense, so I'll have to get back to you.
SunlitTrollFilms 1 year ago
@SunlitTrollFilms
Thomas Paine on diversity:
"If there is a country in the world where concord, according to common calculation, would be least expected, it is America. Made up as it is of people from different nations, accustomed to different forms and habits of government, speaking different languages, and more different in their modes of worship,....and all the parts are brought into cordial unison."
"speaking different languages"
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago 14
@SamWiseGingy Sounds like Paine expected diversity in a country such as America. But being Americans, should we not all be united in a common language, a common cause, a common flag, constitution, etc. I would hate to think someone would pledge allegiance to the flag when becoming a citizen, and NOT consider themselves American.
"Cordial unison", huh? I dont think Paine meant everyone speaking a different language could bring unison. How could it? Doesnt make sense.
SunlitTrollFilms 1 year ago
@SunlitTrollFilms
There are atleast two issue here. 1.What did Paine say vs. what did Basso say.
It is obvious Paine and Basso have a different attitude toward diversity. It is also obvious that Basso considers a common langauge essential. Paine explictly did not. This is a specific instance where Basso says something Paine would not.
2. Should we have an offical language? Basso says yes. IMO Paine would say no. Conservatives agree with Basso, most Liberal agree with me and I suspect Paine.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy Maybe by different languages,he ment in the home.If I were to go live in France,Russia,or Mexico,I would be expected to learn the language and only speak Englisg in my home.Yet if they come here and can speak Spanish all they want?There is nothing wrong with being proud of one's heritage,but one must be willing to adapt and learn the language of the nation one is living in.
tenfed1861 1 year ago
@SunlitTrollFilms If I dressed up like Charles Darwin and called myself Charles Darwin and started spouting creationism you would say what I was doing was identity theft.
Bob Basso is a fraud and he is committing identity theft and he is making a mockery of one of our founding fathers, Thomas Paine.
Whether or not you agree with Basso is not the point. Whether or not Basso's rants reflect Paine's views are the point.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SunlitTrollFilms, part of the genius of what Bob Basso is saying is that it's not necessarily "evil." I personally can agree with the underlying principles of what he's talking about, regarding the common bond. HOWEVER, as I was hinting at before, the rhetoric of a common bond is being used in this context of a larger campaign for a modern right-wing narrative that does, in fact, tacitly promote or excuse bigotry
DaviidHill 1 year ago
@DaviidHill It is you, sir, that has no clue. I would assume from your remarks that we must have viewed two different videos. Not to worry though. When the time comes for Americans to stand tall and proud you can remain seated as you are obviously one of the cowards that he talks about. You are the problem.
hellonwheels141 1 year ago
@hellonwheels141, I honestly don't see what gives you the right to call me a "coward" because I'm actually courageous enough to point out the POTENTIAL for bigotry when I see it. I'm very proud of America & that's why I refuse to be the proverbial "yes man," & keep going on pretending like everything's alright & there's never any room for improvement the way so many misguided conservaives do.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@DaviidHill typical libtard comment. You dumb fuck, yoiu will soon be owned by Obama's socialist goverment. Get a fucking job and instead posting comments on youtube while sucking off hard working tax payers. What a dumb fuck
theactorsworkshop 1 year ago
@theactorsworkshop, Obama's government is absolutely NOT a socialist government by any stretch of the imagination! He's just another post-Reagan Democrat President who panders to foolish pro-business right-wing ideas of "small government" & "tax cuts." My employment has nothing to do with my politics. If you want a well-functioning American society, pay your taxes (don't bitch about paying them either) & the government will maintain it. Otherwise go live in Somalia, where they have NO government
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@DaviidHiII HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! OMG!!! Are you kidding? NOT a Socialist government??? Where the have you been living? Under a rock? Come back in a year, when your taxes have skyrocketed...along with your gas and electric bill, and let me hear the same thing from you. You'll see.
cantomagica 1 year ago
@cantomagica, first off, do you even know what "socialism" even is, or do you just call anything you don't like "socialism?" since the 1980s, this country's moved so far to the right that anything that even LOOKS like it MIGHT progressive is seen as "socialist"
That said, Obama's health care plan was based on the Romney plan, which was vetted by the Right Wing Heritage foundation. Even Obama's Tax Scheme is more right wing than Ronald Reagan's. There's absolutely NOTHING socialist about Obama
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
The Common Bond was broken when you looked the other way, as the fat cats raped your jobs. As the priests finger banged your newborns. As the pro-athlete's salaries grew to multi-millions (for chasing a ball around a field). As you gave praise to the wealthy, because they produced "jobs", when in fact they outsourced your jobs and left your country flat broke. --- You looked the other way.
aspenmogul 1 year ago
I contend that few of Marxs original ideas are practical and that none are brilliant when viewed with common sense for the outcome. That is an interesting piece, it is a self-serving, esoteric, and intentionally obscure piece to support his views of government. Since you have provided cover for your failed argument by diverting attention 3 times. There you go again diverting from the discussion.
erictarbox 1 year ago
I only have 500 characters so I can't debate with you here except to say that Revolutions are about social and economic justice and that the issues in Amercia, England and France were very much the same. You are entitled to your view of government, the issue is what was Paine's view. If you read Paine you will find that he more like FDR than Glenn Beck or Bob Basso.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy : I doubt Bob has ever read "The rights of man" or "Agrarian justice"
ninjapirate0507 1 year ago
@ninjapirate0507 thank you to you 2 guys for actually having read Paine
theskepticsskeptic 1 year ago
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erictarbox 1 year ago
@erictarbox : Agrarian justice was sarcasm? You just lost any credibility or respect you might have had in this debate. Seriously, that was a stupid answer.
ninjapirate0507 1 year ago
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@ninjapirate0507 Then how can a writer state " Every man wishes to pursue his occupation, and to enjoy the fruits of his labours and the produce of his property in peace and safety, and with the least possible expense. When these things are accomplished, all the objects for which government ought to be established are answered." Then support a government so large that it must ransom the fruits of a mans labor to his / her heirs to support itself. Unless one of those is sarcasm.
erictarbox 1 year ago
@erictarbox : Or maybe you just really suck at paragraph comprehension. Also you seem to be reading what he wrote to suit your point of view, rather than try to see what HE meant. Continued...
ninjapirate0507 1 year ago
How can a man pursue his occupation if giant corporations (e.g. Walmart) have run him out of business? How many people are now out of work thanks to the deregulation of the financial industry? How many people do not live prosperously thanks to the giant knife of capitalism stuck in their backs? It seems to me that the objects for which government was established has not been answered quite yet.
ninjapirate0507 1 year ago
If there is a country in the world where concord, according to common calculation, would be least expected, it is America. Made up as it is of people from different nations, accustomed to different forms and habits of government, speaking different languages, and more different in their modes of worship, it would appear that the union of such a people was impracticable,... and all the parts are brought into cordial unison. T Paine The Rights of Man
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
this is more conservative non-sense and a massive misuse of Paine. Our founders should be honored and revered for their bravery, genius, and sacrifice, but not worshiped as gods, they were not gods and our constitution is not a bible, it has to interpreted to the times, otherwise it is sterile an ineffective.
theskepticsskeptic 1 year ago 3
@theskepticsskeptic That is why they were attempting to make a "More perfect union". They knew they weren't Gods, but they knew that a Theocracy / Monarchy / Autocracy that took what they wanted from the serfs wasn't in the individuals best interest. If we interpret the Constitution to the times we have a suicide pact of monumental proportion, Oh wait that is what is happening.
erictarbox 1 year ago
@erictarbox : That's it. Go live with the Amish if you want to go back in time. The rest of us are firmly planted in the present reality.
ninjapirate0507 1 year ago
@erictarbox "suicide pact" WTF where did you get that shit? Hiding behind origihal intent of an 18th century document in the 21st century is not patriotic, its moronic, intelligent people believe in learning from history not reliving it. Adapt or perish!
theskepticsskeptic 1 year ago
@theskepticsskeptic You are right intelligent people do learn from the past failures, unfortunately, we as a nation have failed to see those failures. Keynesian economics is the first one that comes to mind. A complete understanding of it shows it as the economic policy of Karl Marx and the Communist Manifesto. As the past century has proven, those policies are total and complete failures and result in the destruction of an otherwise healthy country. Adapt or perish, seriously¿
erictarbox 1 year ago
@erictarbox Otherwise healthy county !!! What, too big to fail, $20hr jobs gone to china, replaced with $10 jobs and no benefits? What county are you living in? I didnt see world renowned economist in your profile (how many countries have you ruled?). true experts cant agree on this, wheres your control? Weve never had a free market, its always been REGULATED!!
theskepticsskeptic 1 year ago
@theskepticsskeptic Too big to fail. $20hr jobs to China. Both are Progressive ideals of a global government (Communism). Next time read the "Communist Manifesto" and bring that to the conversation. Hmmmm World Renowned Economist, may be true, but I am married to one.
erictarbox 1 year ago
@erictarbox : No, Some of the Ideas of Marx is not practical, some of it is quite brilliant. Have you read anything of Marx besides the Communist Manifesto? How about "A critique of Hegel's philosophy of right"? What's that you don't even know who Hegel was? lol Socialism is responsible for making the world a better place. If it was up to libertarians and the like Children would still be working 16 hour days in hot factories. You know who promoted labor laws to protect people? Socialists.
ninjapirate0507 1 year ago
@ninjapirate0507 Libertarianism has nothing to do with a desire to see child labor reinstated. What Cracker Jack box did you get that out of?
SunlitTrollFilms 1 year ago
@SunlitTrollFilms : Libertarians are against regulation. Socialism is for regulation to protect the people. You can thank socialists for your labor laws, minimum wage, and health and occupational standards. You can thank libertarians for..........
ninjapirate0507 1 year ago
@ninjapirate0507 Socialism regulates people. You can thank Libertarians for your industry, education, universities, jobs, better built houses. I have been to Communist countries that had it's citizens in cardboard houses. That is your Marxist Heaven. Spreading the Wealth of the wealthy only spreads the Misery of the Masses.
erictarbox 1 year ago
@erictarbox: YES! Regulates that they cannot exploit other people for their own personal gain. So all that built those industries were libertarian? Bullshit. I am a democratic socialist, not a communist, of course to your ignorant mind there is no difference. I am not a Marxist. All socialism did not come from Marx. Here is a suggestion, go pick up a book and read , you just might learn something, (I am holding out hope lol) Oh, and something written by other than a fox news personality please.
ninjapirate0507 1 year ago
@ninjapirate0507 Actually I have been re-reading The Federalist Papers. They were not solely built by Libertarians they were built by Christians, Jews and Deists that happened to want to make a better place in the world for themselves. A Democratic Socialist¿ How far are you willing to take a great country and mess it up until you are dis-satisfied with the result you have created¿
erictarbox 1 year ago
@erictarbox : Are you having trouble writing coherent sentences?You just said "They were not solely.... libertarians they were built by Christians Jews and Deists..." That makes it sound like a Christian, Jew or Deist cannot be a libertarian which makes no sense. Since Democratic Socialists only have one seat in congress (Vermont) so how can you blame the nation's ill`s on us? Last time I checked the last the last century had a lot of Republican Presidents, but no Democratic socialists. Cont...
ninjapirate0507 1 year ago
Conservatives ruined this nation. Please look through history, and see what made us great. It was not merely free market capitalism , but the rule of law in our nation, that protected everyone's liberty. Where we went astray, was usually the result of infringements on those liberties. To protect those liberties we must have regulation. Otherwise it is anarchy, something I am sure you would approve of.
ninjapirate0507 1 year ago
@ninjapirate0507 "but no Democratic socialists" - You say that like its a bad thing. And FYI, you dont need to be wearing your "Hi: Im a Democratic Socialist" sticker to be one. Just look at who we have in Washington, and the policies being set forth. You should be happy.
SunlitTrollFilms 1 year ago
@SunlitTrollFilms: I have no control over how you perceive things in your twisted little mind, so I am going to ignore your first statement. One's political affiliation is what they decide it is. It is a conservative propaganda method to try to portray all leftists, starting with the rather centrist democrats, as communists or worse, a method first started by the red baiting treasonous Sen. McCarthy. I am happy that we are moving in a better direction than Bush, but it is far from socialist.
ninjapirate0507 1 year ago
@ninjapirate0507 Not really sure what you mean here. Welfare reform? If I'm pissed off over the way conservative pigs ruined this country, why would I hand it over to a socialist pig who stands for open borders, higher taxes, and government control and regulation over all aspects of my life.
SunlitTrollFilms 1 year ago
@SunlitTrollFilms: I meant exactly what I wrote, but don't hurt yourself trying to grasp it. The conservative "pigs" as you call them, ruined the nation by allowing corporations to kill our economy eliminate jobs and all while making golden parachutes for themselves. The Socialists would advocate regulation to keep business honest, and people working. Democratic socialists don't stand for open borders, just for human rights. We need to secure our borders, but not by racial profiling.
ninjapirate0507 1 year ago
@theskepticsskeptic
Right you are!
The fact that these conservative continue to hijack Paine only proves their ignorance of history but their refusal to simply check their own facts.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy Paine was a liberal. However, liberal meant something different back then. What it didnt mean is handing control over everything to the government.
SunlitTrollFilms 1 year ago
@SunlitTrollFilms Yes Paine was a liberal then and yes he would be a liberal now. Paine's economic policies foreshadowed the New Deal. Read Agrarian Justice. In AJ Paine argues for social security in France in 1795, paid for by the land owners out of wealth they had accumulated by underpaying their workers.
In any case Paine would have thought Basso an idiot.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy Well, I will do that. As I am new to Paine, I would be remiss if I didnt. However, Im up to his chapter on Monarchy/Hereditary rite, and it doesnt seem to me that a man with these views, would be willing to hand over so much control to a government of any kind. Seems to me to be sacrificing rights for security.
SunlitTrollFilms 1 year ago
@SunlitTrollFilms
Here is where Paine is going: "When it shall be said in any country of the world, my poor are happy, neither ignorance or distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars, the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive . . . When these things can be said, then may that country boast its constitution and its government."
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy All of these things I think aply to America now. But the part that stuck out (in terms of socialism -vs- free market) was the "taxes are not oppressive". Seems to be headed that way now, if it hasn't gotten there already. Just a guess, but I dont think you NEED socialism to empty your prisons, or clear the streets of beggars. Hmmm......
SunlitTrollFilms 1 year ago
@SunlitTrollFilms The point is that Basso says things that Thomas Paine never would have, and leaves things unsaid that Piane would have said. Paine had sympathy for the poor and believed that governments ought to have sympathy as well. Basso expresses no such view.
When you take on the name of founding father and wear his mantle you assume the burden of fairly representing his views to the best of your ability.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy - I submit that the emphasis for concern for the poot should be taken off the government, and placed with people. Sure people mess up, and are greedy. But gather them all together (in the form of a ruling body), and you get screw ups and greed on an even larger scale.
And so you know, I appreciate the level of civility in this conversation. Thank you.
SunlitTrollFilms 1 year ago
@SunlitTrollFilms
Okay you have a different opionion than Thomas Paine. That's your right.
My point is that Basso is a fraud and that he misrepresents Paine's views.
Presuming you are complementing my civility, you are welcome.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy ....in Common Sense, that is.
SunlitTrollFilms 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy Its not just Paine, conservatives are trying to rewrite the history of all the founders
theskepticsskeptic 1 year ago
@theskepticsskeptic Yes Sir (I presume) they are.
They are trying to tell us our founders wanted a theocracy, that the founding fathers were prophets, and that the founding documents are holy writ.
Again the fact that Bob Basso's act plays well with them proves what rubes they are when it comes to US history.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@ninjapirate0507 The original call for a "Tea Party" was by a CNBC reporter from the floor of the Chicago Exchange over his frustration over the bailouts of the past year. Rick Santelli's Chicago Tea Party Rant The complete video can be found there. I agree that the original "Tea Party" was over taxation without representation, but this was his rant and it was a rather encouraging one that has continued beyond his original intent as well.
erictarbox 1 year ago
We need an obedient government. Any time now is good, today would be excellent. No pensions, no 401(k)s, no nothing. Out the door, lawfully, quietly, firmly and confidently.
buzzclick500 1 year ago
Something good and something huge is happening.
buzzclick500 1 year ago
Americans, on the whole, have forgotten two things: how to serve our own interests in the best way possible, and how to serve the interests and wishes of others. We're like a genie trapped in a bottle, except that WE have have the power to push the cork out, and continue to live our lives as WE choose. Some other countries mastered that centuries ago. We're new on the "block".
buzzclick500 1 year ago
@buzzclick500 Between the Late Great wordsmith Tony Snow, the Abrasive Neal Boortz, and the rambling madman Glenn Beck. I have awaken to the fact that I am closer to being a Libertarian than who I thought I was. Business being ab