@Dxx36 Pol Pot of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Banned all religion and with the 2 mottos "To keep you is no benefit, to destroy you is no loss." 2.2 million people where exterminated.
Millions were killed by officially atheistic communist regimes, but these atrocities did not occur because of a lack of religion, they occurred because those regimes were to much like religion. They demanding unquestioning authority, blind obedience, and unchallenged loyalty. As Sam Harris often puts it, I know of no society which has suffered because it became to reasonable, or demanded to high a standard of evidence. This is a tired, unsound, invalid, often refuted argument against atheism.
@GodFree27 this is fascinating. you distinguish what [some] atheists profess to believe from their actions. IOW they act like religionists but profess to believe there is no god,
I hope you are as consistent in dealing with theists and do not hold their bad actions as proof against their theism.
but this is usually not done. atheists need their straw men, particularly as a grudge against religious hypocrisy is their main case against God
Tell me what good does it have within itself? "Prevent the poor from having children, not only poor but dumb persons too". That's "science" for atheists, as they claim that everything in religion is bad. Yet they never come to speak about eugenics and their things. Just like propaganda.
@ThePatientMuslim Eugenics is considered a psuedoscience, a fake science, by the scientific community. I am not saying that there isn't an insignificant group of atheists who believe in eugenics, because there very well might be. But saying that all atheists support eugenics is appalling. That's like saying "one muslim view = suicide bombings" yeah, a tiny portion of muslims blew them selves up, that does not mean we should ban all the muslims.
For top philosophy of religion & sceptical analysis of Bible & religion try Robert M Price, John W. Loftus, Dan Barker, Victor J. Stenger. E.A.Wallis Budge translation of, 'The Papyrus of Ani' (1500BCE comp O.T.800-300BCE ish), Donald A. Mackenzie,' Egyptian myth and legend', James G Frazer, 'The Golden Bough', Thomas Paine, Joseph Wheless, Robert Ingersoll, C.Dennis Mckinsey, Bart Ehrman, Gary Greenberg, Christopher Hitchens, Valerie Tarico, Ken Humphreys, archaeologist Israel Finkelstein
Its quite ridiculous how people assume that either "side" is worse than the other in morality. The truth is, we are human. Humans will be humans and will repeat this history no matter their belief system. Its not based on religion or lack therof, its based on human nature. There have been and most likely ALWAYS will be people, no matter what worldview, who will use their worldview to justify atrocious acts.
@LordVadra777 "Humans will be humans and will repeat this history no matter their belief system." I understand what you're getting at...but the "finality" will be different depending on which is actually the "truth". If atheists are correct in their world view ..then anything really IS possible...human demise or human flourishing. In the Judeo-Christian worldview (if this is true) then by all means...there will be a time when NO "living" atheist exists amongst humanity.
@jeremythehuman That's not his point though. Many people love to point out the terrible crimes theists have committed against other people in the name of their deity. His point is that atheist's are just as guilty of committing terrible crimes, as many theists have done. But under atheism, there is no foundation to make a moral judgment therefore, committing great evils is simply a cultural taboo. Under theism, and Judeo-Christian ethics in particular, there is that basis for morality.
I don't get why I should be pro-genocide. Could someone please explain how it follows from my lack of believe that there is a god? Please don't try to convert me to theism, as I am quite willing to embrace the apparently logical consequence of atheism that I should kill fellow human beings.
@wesselbindt He's not making the assumption that atheism inevitably leads to genocide; what he believes is that "atheism has granted that there is no rational basis on which to condemns one over against the other", in his own words. Therefore he's not saying that atheism makes people want to kill each other, he's saying that when people do kill each other, there is no metaphysical framework in which to say that they are wrong in doing so.
That God exists is not a mater of faith but knowledge. God does not demand that we believe that He exists by faith but by the evidence of His creation. Having understood Him to be the creator He demands that we believe that He will take care of us and that is faith. In fact on a couple of occasions God comes to reason with us as in Ps115 and Is44 and the reason He reasons with us is because He created us reasonable people.
@MrWillsauce Well let me explain you it this way. If your parents have had thought that way, you would not have existed. Do you think it would have been a good decision of your parents?
"I would like to ask why some theists view atheists as "evil"?"Why ?
it's because everyone who wants to deny God is not good, it's just two parts God parts and Evil parts so we consider the Evil makes atheists to not believe in God!
@recette13 Try thinking outside your own box for once - I consider it an evil act for someone to call someone else "evil" that they don't know, and haven't made the slightest attempt to understand WHY they might feel the way they do.
I am NOT "evil" because I don't believe the concept of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent makes any sense, or is a rational belief to hold - and I resent the insinuation that I must be.
@steveb0503 not in anyway making a strike at you just trying to completely understand your statement...are you saying you dont believe in God because you dont understand the complexity of God and the Mind of God?....and if you are saying that (dont know if you are) would a God that easy to figure out be worth worshiping?
@gibbers05 "[W}ould a God that easy to figure out be worth worshiping?"
No, I suppose it wouldn't be, but that is not what I am saying.
It seems to me you are presupposing the existence of God, and consequently ASSUMING the failure of human logic or reason in trying to comprehend such an incomprehensible entity.
Might it not be reasonable to conclude that the reason it is so difficult "to figure out" be that it is simply nonsensical and not grounded in reality (in any way)?
@steveb0503 To me God is the only logical reality based answer...mainly because nothing else explains the original origin of anything...rather you believe in a all knowing all powerful God created everything or it created itself and put in place all the laws and principles we have..from......nothing?
the entire communist agenda is based on atheism.....
so it no surprise admitted atheist Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse Tung have brutally SLAUGHTERED so many innocent lives.
they feel that 'they" are God and can do what they wish
The New World Order is basically just global communism and the supporters of the NWO philosophy (like atheist religion member Richard Dawkins) are for the destruction of humanity because their arrogance deems us non elitists as "inferior" and worthy of death
I must be honest I've never heard of anyone killing in the name of atheism. Infanticide or the killing of any child is never okay, sadly some cultures seem to have this incredibly unfair, misguided and generally wrong idea that males are worth more. As an atheist and a feminist I'd like to point out that the human population can be sustained better with fewer males than it can with fewer females(bah men who needs em :P). I would like to ask why some theists view atheists as "evil"?
@Trisbreya stalin... marx... hitler... need i go on? Darwinism ultimately leads to what Hitlers goals were. aided survival of the fittest, euthanasia/murder...
"I would like to ask why some theists view atheists as "evil"?"
its because some theists just as some atheists and some people in general are self-righteous pricks who think they are better then people who dont have their values.
But to your question, it isn't consistent for a Christian to call an atheist "evil". The Christian had better not forget that all mankind is fallible, and it's nothing he's done to earn his redemption. However, just as an atheist can consider Christianity to be baseless and wrong, a Christian can do the same in return.
Hey, question, you say that the human population can be better sustained with fewer males than with fewer females. Mind explaining that?
I'm assuming that by sustained you mean increase or decrease as little as possible. I would think that having fewer females would be better for that, as you could have 10 females and 1 male and that one male can get them all pregnant and then 10 more babies. Reverse that and you get one baby.
Maybe you mean more females are better to recover?
does it even matter wether mass killers were atheist christian, or any other religion? that argument is weak, just because one guy was crazy enough to kill a bunch of people doesnt mean we scapegoat his or her religion, or lack of it
The whole tallying of deaths and wars between atheism and religion simply doesn't work. There are many reasons for wars and murders, only some of which are religious, and of which are definitively atheist. This is not how the debate will be settled. If it possibly can be, it will be settled with metaphysics: does God exist. Or perhaps with meta-ethics: what is the nature of morality with or without God. It will not be settled on youtube videos and their comments. Calm down chappies.
I don't get it when Atheists start spouting about something being right or wrong. By their own belief system, there cannot be any right or wrong. How can anything be right or wrong if there is no absolute ruler of all the universe to declare it to be so? Without God, there logically cannot be anything that is right or wrong.
For anybody thinking that Hitler or other evil-doers could possibly be christians, please allow me to share: 1John 2:3 . "And hereby we do know that we know (Jesus), if we keep his commandments.1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
Or people who know how desperate Atheists are to hide the truth and twist it, not on my channel though, will not give you the chance. You're free to preech your religion but only when you admit you're religious.
Surely Christians should be more worried about the deaths they have caused and how they can prevent such events from happening within their religion before they point the finger? All religions (and atheism) should. 'A broken man cannot fix another broken mind'
No, the difference is explained by Ravi, in Christianity it's a violation, in Atheism it isn't, it can logically occur, there isn't much that can stop you once the majority of people is behind it...
Nope, already wrote the numbers down, 92 million in just a short while compared to Christianity, and in Christianity it's actually an violation as mentioned by Ravi.
The action was forced upon them threw Atheistic ideas even though the country itself is religious, the ones behind the actions weren't., study history and don't think you know more than Ravi, you're making fun of yourself, someone in his position cannot make such a mistake, you don't even get it
No, your religion is obviously since you reject the simple truth, I know, your religion doesn't allow you but don't come here with that talk.... you're funny
You don't need to have a church to be religious, get over yourself, you hold a set of beliefs dearly, you're a religious fanatic because you even dare to deny it
Oh for crying out loud, enough with the "he killed in the name of this" bs. All those people killed because they had an agenda based on twisted views regardless of that person's creed. Whether you like it or not, Christian morals are just as subjective as atheist morals, as are any religion's morals. Xtians cherry pick their morals from the OT, and choose not to stone people anymore, so what makes you any different from me?
"ased on twisted views regardless of that person's creed"
And that's what happens when you get rid of the meaning of sin, look at tf00t here on YT, I see the USSR repeating itself online.
We don't cherry pick, the Bible is very clear about what we can and can't do, you don't have any absolute morals, you don't know what's good and wrong, you think others can force it upon you while the Bible simply states that's it already written in your heart
0:12 - this must be a joke. Which atheists killed in the name of atheism? Why that would be 0. When atheists bring up holy wars, we're talking about zealots that killed in the name of their religion for religious reasons and motivations.
What war has atheists fought for a lack of belief in a god? For rational inquiry?
Mao Zedong leader of China murdered 70,000,000. Joseph Stalin leader of the Soviet Union 20,000,000. Pol Pot leader of Cambodia 2,000,000.
Atheism actually mean that you believe that there is no God, they changed it in the 70's to fit their religious ideas. Lack of believe in God is a religious statement, you believe that there is no God, even though you're desperate to change with the meaning LOL
Is true for an atheists to kill someone could be something logical,for a Christian is not only against the scriptures, but against the Christian morality to.
Amen to that Vyckro, no one can point that better out than Ravi, for Christianity it must be a violation against what we believe. I thought I could use it as a nice respond to yours :)))
The fact that you don't know what is right and wrong, you think others can make it up, so when the majority says it's right to kill you can do it.....listen to Ravi, in Christianity its an violation, in Atheism it can logically occur, remember that and repeat that as much as you can
do you really believe that? what about the child solders in Africa, there killing muslims in the name of christianity. What you should say is that killing ppl gos against your morality. not christian morality b/c as I just pointed out its simply not true.
@CreationistsWON i wont one star your vid but i will say that your making a pretty confident statement there, however atheism has alot to back it up and religion of any kind struggles to be beleivable
No, Mao Zedong leader of China murdered 70,000,000. Joseph Stalin leader of the Soviet Union 20,000,000. Pol Pot leader of Cambodia 2,000,000.
And why ? Because the people thought they could invent their own moral law, well that's what happened and you're deluded enough to defend it.
You're a communist obviously. In Christianity it's forbidden, period, so nothing in Gods name was done, it were deluded figures who did that against the scriptures itself
I thought Ravi was above these disgraceful tactics.
There is no logical pathway from atheism to genocide.
We do not get our morals from religion, and I'm glad we don't, because if your society needs to be told that lying, stealing and killing is wrong then I would be very concerned about that society.
Actually, the moral law is already in your heart but because you deny it you become immoral, willingly immoral, the Bible simply states that we all know what it is.
The example you used confirms what I said, how do you know these things are wrong ? How many things do you know are wrong without finding them back in the law itself ? Strange isn't it ?
just because the people that were killed by the name of god doesn't mean that the killers were christian. you can say you're something but it doesn't make it true.
@pahlrosp usually people without fear of God have the courage to kill others, people without a conscience....if you know that there is a God, you will not kill, UNLESS, that god, like Allah, asks Muslims to kill the people of the Book-Jews and Christians. But then again, Allah is not God...THE BIBLE GOD IS LOVE AND JUSTICE.
AMEN !!! Even though people do what they do, even though they curse and mock God, God gives even those people a chance to be with him, WHAT ELSE DO WE WANT !!!! PRAISED BE THE LORD !!!
Unless you are totally in denial and refuse to look at the facts,you answered your own question! Stalin,hitler,mao,pol pot etc...were all atheists! So,I wonder when were the people killed? What an incredibly silly question
Yes he was, does the word eugenics tells you something ? Jews closer to the monkey and all that ? The reason why he claimed to be a Christian was for secular reasons and get the people on his side. You should learn history mate
@satori137 Claiming to be a christian is very different than actually being a christian. Looking at Hitler's life, it is very simple to conclude that his actions were not in line with the person of Jesus. He was a mass murderer and was heavily involved in the occult. So I will give you this that he may have been raised christian but he certainly did not live for Christ and thus cannot be considered a true christian.
@CreationistsWON is right I haven't found any sure source that would indicate that Hitler was christian. He was raised catholic thought and from his texts it's clear he was a theist (he did believe in god and that god had created the aryans).
@CreationistsWON is right I haven't found any sure source that would indicate that Hitler was christian. He was raised catholic thought and from his texts it's clear he was a theist (he did believe in god and that god had created the aryans).
@CreationistsWON Hitler may not have been a Christian but the catholic church supported the third reich, and the vast majority of the SS were catholic.
@119Elias119 How in the world you can claim Hitler as maybe a christian and at the same time claim Thomas Jefferson a diest?...if Jefferson talk and wrote letters claiming to be a true diciple of Jesus,but then blast his dislike to catholicism and call that a diest?..but Hitler did the other way around,his dislike to any church,replace religion with his own Aryan religion,but still people like you think we will take the bait and belive you? who are you? are you above history?..
@breedofthe45 "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man" thats a quote from Thomas Jefferson, and while whether Hitler was a Christan or not is up for debate, he certainly never distanced himself from the Catholic church and neither did the catholic church distance itself from him.
@gregrutz If hitler was truly a christian he wouldn't have done the thing he did. You can tell a true christian by their fruits, a tree that bears no fruit is cut down and cast into the lake of fire, that's God's word.
haha I hope you didn't think you sounded cool when you said that. You got some of your little friends over and made them giggle? Awesome man, keep it up! you crack me up...but seriously, id like to look as some of the crap that you watch and see how much more bandwidth that takes up.
i think the female babies dying is more of a cultural thing with men needed to work the fields and look after the family if you have girls they can't do this so why bother having one. *not my view btw*. How this is related to atheism im not sure
its not related to atheism. The point being made is that the people he is speaking about who "happen to be atheist" often make their point of the attrocities mankind makes are guided by the theistic compass. Zach's point slams home well enough when you realize that the atheist often has their crosshairs pointed at the theistic community but doesn't address the terrible happenings that are not theistic-related (like the killing of babies in india).
If it's not related to atheists then Zac is lying! No surprise that's theists either lie, twist, assume, or guess at things! Maybe he should be asking people like Sam Harris directly what his position is rather than assuming, don't you think? Also, Harris and others like him admit that their are evil atheists like there are evil theists!
he is saying because if you do not have objective morals, then we make our own rules. And then really, what is wrong? nothing if it works for us right? that is why atheism can be dangerous.
If anyone actually believes this, then I really hope they don't lose their faith in a god. Because apparently without it they would be murdering babies.
@Botzu Hey there! You may not have got what he meant by that because this clip was taken out of context of the whole talk.
But he is mentioning the murdering of babies because he was making note of the fact that the athiest view has and cannot logically explain morality without assuming that there is God. So he was mentionin what happens in a society where only our human law is trusted.
Check out the ravi zacharias - need god? videos on youtube..very deep stuff. Take care
@shananciole15 hitler was athiest. the philosophy behind the holocaust was from fredrick nietzsche, the german philosopher said that equality amoung men was made up by the lesser man so that they would feel equal among the more powerful, and that ultimatly men were not equal. Hitler used that philosophy to start the 3rd reich, hoping that he could kill all lesser men and make the world more powerful. he truley thought he was doing a good thing.
HighVoltage963, to read anything out of context is childish and foolish. The context of the verse you mentioned is of the tribes of Israel, which had their own government. In Puritan America they followed Leviticus and all other parts of the Bible. But things changed after the flood of Deists from Britain, it was Deists that wrote the constitution.
It's not taken out of context, that whole chapter seems to say under what circumstances it's ok for a man to be killed, sleeping with your step mother (20:11), sleeping with your neighbors wife (20:10) and there are more.
Not only send you to jail(stone gay people as soon as you see them,kill all zoofils,kill all children who insult their partents, but you would even kill yourself(gauge out your eyes if you see a woman or man with lust,cut your hand if you sin with it) LOL
Nope, Ravi comes from India, he knows it better than you and me, they didn't need the girls so they killed them logicly...just like Ravi says, in Christianity it has to be a violation of what they believe, the NT is all about loving another... Atheists are Satanists, Satan is a fallan angel no God figure.
Plato the allegory of the cave, some are trapped in there...
cpytube000 3 days ago
Unbelieveable...
PlutoPowered 1 month ago
Nothing like a calm rational debate.
fryxcd7v 2 months ago
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What millions?
Dxx36 4 months ago
@Dxx36 stalin = 20 millions
KingDcome11 3 months ago
@Dxx36 Pol Pot of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Banned all religion and with the 2 mottos "To keep you is no benefit, to destroy you is no loss." 2.2 million people where exterminated.
BrotherMichael1000 1 month ago
Millions were killed by officially atheistic communist regimes, but these atrocities did not occur because of a lack of religion, they occurred because those regimes were to much like religion. They demanding unquestioning authority, blind obedience, and unchallenged loyalty. As Sam Harris often puts it, I know of no society which has suffered because it became to reasonable, or demanded to high a standard of evidence. This is a tired, unsound, invalid, often refuted argument against atheism.
GodFree27 4 months ago
@GodFree27 this is fascinating. you distinguish what [some] atheists profess to believe from their actions. IOW they act like religionists but profess to believe there is no god,
I hope you are as consistent in dealing with theists and do not hold their bad actions as proof against their theism.
but this is usually not done. atheists need their straw men, particularly as a grudge against religious hypocrisy is their main case against God
Strefanasha 1 month ago
One atheistic view = eugenics.
Tell me what good does it have within itself? "Prevent the poor from having children, not only poor but dumb persons too". That's "science" for atheists, as they claim that everything in religion is bad. Yet they never come to speak about eugenics and their things. Just like propaganda.
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@ThePatientMuslim Eugenics is considered a psuedoscience, a fake science, by the scientific community. I am not saying that there isn't an insignificant group of atheists who believe in eugenics, because there very well might be. But saying that all atheists support eugenics is appalling. That's like saying "one muslim view = suicide bombings" yeah, a tiny portion of muslims blew them selves up, that does not mean we should ban all the muslims.
nemomoo 3 months ago
Hee hee!
What a silly person!
parasojaDOT 5 months ago
For top philosophy of religion & sceptical analysis of Bible & religion try Robert M Price, John W. Loftus, Dan Barker, Victor J. Stenger. E.A.Wallis Budge translation of, 'The Papyrus of Ani' (1500BCE comp O.T.800-300BCE ish), Donald A. Mackenzie,' Egyptian myth and legend', James G Frazer, 'The Golden Bough', Thomas Paine, Joseph Wheless, Robert Ingersoll, C.Dennis Mckinsey, Bart Ehrman, Gary Greenberg, Christopher Hitchens, Valerie Tarico, Ken Humphreys, archaeologist Israel Finkelstein
zytigon 5 months ago
atheists are the makers of weapons of mass destruction: nuclear bomb, atomic bomb, napalm, RPG, flame thrower, and all things that kill people.
ikawpipa 5 months ago
@ikawpipa we never done it "because" we were atheists though...
Alexthapanda 5 months ago
And who is running around doing all the killing now?
People can kill with a rock if they want to.
Do you really think that a gun can be used just to kill other people?
Crisshomes1 4 months ago
Its quite ridiculous how people assume that either "side" is worse than the other in morality. The truth is, we are human. Humans will be humans and will repeat this history no matter their belief system. Its not based on religion or lack therof, its based on human nature. There have been and most likely ALWAYS will be people, no matter what worldview, who will use their worldview to justify atrocious acts.
LordVadra777 6 months ago
@LordVadra777 "Humans will be humans and will repeat this history no matter their belief system." I understand what you're getting at...but the "finality" will be different depending on which is actually the "truth". If atheists are correct in their world view ..then anything really IS possible...human demise or human flourishing. In the Judeo-Christian worldview (if this is true) then by all means...there will be a time when NO "living" atheist exists amongst humanity.
hexusziggurat 4 months ago
Nobody does anything bad bcause they are an atheist.
jeremythehuman 6 months ago
@jeremythehuman That's not his point though. Many people love to point out the terrible crimes theists have committed against other people in the name of their deity. His point is that atheist's are just as guilty of committing terrible crimes, as many theists have done. But under atheism, there is no foundation to make a moral judgment therefore, committing great evils is simply a cultural taboo. Under theism, and Judeo-Christian ethics in particular, there is that basis for morality.
mrclean04260 6 months ago
@mrclean04260 I agree with you. what Ravi talks about here is fairly easy to grasp, I'm wondering why people are so reluctant to see it.
salaino1452 5 months ago
I don't get why I should be pro-genocide. Could someone please explain how it follows from my lack of believe that there is a god? Please don't try to convert me to theism, as I am quite willing to embrace the apparently logical consequence of atheism that I should kill fellow human beings.
wesselbindt 6 months ago
@wesselbindt He's not making the assumption that atheism inevitably leads to genocide; what he believes is that "atheism has granted that there is no rational basis on which to condemns one over against the other", in his own words. Therefore he's not saying that atheism makes people want to kill each other, he's saying that when people do kill each other, there is no metaphysical framework in which to say that they are wrong in doing so.
salaino1452 6 months ago
atheism kills people? this is retarded.
jardy90 6 months ago
@jardy90 Have you heard of Mao and Stalin?
Urfism 6 months ago
@Urfism There is a big difference in belonging to a religion and doing something and doing something because of your religion.
thesebster88 6 months ago
this amazingly put
spdcool11 8 months ago
Sam Harris doesn't care about abortions in India? What an evil man!
foroparapente 9 months ago
@foroparapente
Of course he cares.
mellowmark1 6 months ago
That God exists is not a mater of faith but knowledge. God does not demand that we believe that He exists by faith but by the evidence of His creation. Having understood Him to be the creator He demands that we believe that He will take care of us and that is faith. In fact on a couple of occasions God comes to reason with us as in Ps115 and Is44 and the reason He reasons with us is because He created us reasonable people.
edgarnevis 10 months ago
What's wrong with abortions?
MrWillsauce 11 months ago
@MrWillsauce Well let me explain you it this way. If your parents have had thought that way, you would not have existed. Do you think it would have been a good decision of your parents?
MrILoveYeshua 10 months ago
@MrWillsauce WHAT IF I PUT THE QUESTION ON YOU???? What's wrong with killing people like you?
gatsbyfaulkner 7 months ago
@MrWillsauce The murder of inocent life is generally viewed as wrong.
lol
camthejock 6 months ago
Does this man really cite abortions in India as the whole fault of Atheists? Or am I hearing that part wrong?
Nontheistism 11 months ago
@Nontheistism you're hearing that part wrong
Challagar 11 months ago
@Nontheistism You're hearing it wrong. I believe he is referring to the existence of objective morality.
Dexiclecom 10 months ago
"I would like to ask why some theists view atheists as "evil"?"Why ?
it's because everyone who wants to deny God is not good, it's just two parts God parts and Evil parts so we consider the Evil makes atheists to not believe in God!
recette13 1 year ago
@recette13 Try thinking outside your own box for once - I consider it an evil act for someone to call someone else "evil" that they don't know, and haven't made the slightest attempt to understand WHY they might feel the way they do.
I am NOT "evil" because I don't believe the concept of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent makes any sense, or is a rational belief to hold - and I resent the insinuation that I must be.
steveb0503 1 year ago
@steveb0503 not in anyway making a strike at you just trying to completely understand your statement...are you saying you dont believe in God because you dont understand the complexity of God and the Mind of God?....and if you are saying that (dont know if you are) would a God that easy to figure out be worth worshiping?
gibbers05 11 months ago
@gibbers05 "[W}ould a God that easy to figure out be worth worshiping?"
No, I suppose it wouldn't be, but that is not what I am saying.
It seems to me you are presupposing the existence of God, and consequently ASSUMING the failure of human logic or reason in trying to comprehend such an incomprehensible entity.
Might it not be reasonable to conclude that the reason it is so difficult "to figure out" be that it is simply nonsensical and not grounded in reality (in any way)?
steveb0503 11 months ago
@steveb0503 To me God is the only logical reality based answer...mainly because nothing else explains the original origin of anything...rather you believe in a all knowing all powerful God created everything or it created itself and put in place all the laws and principles we have..from......nothing?
gibbers05 11 months ago
Not all athiest satanists are communist. They may be Fascists also.
MasterClan100 1 year ago
the entire communist agenda is based on atheism.....
so it no surprise admitted atheist Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse Tung have brutally SLAUGHTERED so many innocent lives.
they feel that 'they" are God and can do what they wish
The New World Order is basically just global communism and the supporters of the NWO philosophy (like atheist religion member Richard Dawkins) are for the destruction of humanity because their arrogance deems us non elitists as "inferior" and worthy of death
buffboynick 1 year ago
how many of those deaths were directly related to atheism?
AmazingPurpleCat 1 year ago
I must be honest I've never heard of anyone killing in the name of atheism. Infanticide or the killing of any child is never okay, sadly some cultures seem to have this incredibly unfair, misguided and generally wrong idea that males are worth more. As an atheist and a feminist I'd like to point out that the human population can be sustained better with fewer males than it can with fewer females(bah men who needs em :P). I would like to ask why some theists view atheists as "evil"?
Trisbreya 1 year ago
@Trisbreya stalin... marx... hitler... need i go on? Darwinism ultimately leads to what Hitlers goals were. aided survival of the fittest, euthanasia/murder...
GabrielGroverMan 1 year ago
@Trisbreya
"I would like to ask why some theists view atheists as "evil"?"
its because some theists just as some atheists and some people in general are self-righteous pricks who think they are better then people who dont have their values.
And this is probably because they never met one.
niinja2 1 year ago
@Trisbreya
But to your question, it isn't consistent for a Christian to call an atheist "evil". The Christian had better not forget that all mankind is fallible, and it's nothing he's done to earn his redemption. However, just as an atheist can consider Christianity to be baseless and wrong, a Christian can do the same in return.
amdjacobsen 1 year ago
@Trisbreya
Hey, question, you say that the human population can be better sustained with fewer males than with fewer females. Mind explaining that?
I'm assuming that by sustained you mean increase or decrease as little as possible. I would think that having fewer females would be better for that, as you could have 10 females and 1 male and that one male can get them all pregnant and then 10 more babies. Reverse that and you get one baby.
Maybe you mean more females are better to recover?
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MrImmoli 10 months ago
does it even matter wether mass killers were atheist christian, or any other religion? that argument is weak, just because one guy was crazy enough to kill a bunch of people doesnt mean we scapegoat his or her religion, or lack of it
zubestr 1 year ago
The whole tallying of deaths and wars between atheism and religion simply doesn't work. There are many reasons for wars and murders, only some of which are religious, and of which are definitively atheist. This is not how the debate will be settled. If it possibly can be, it will be settled with metaphysics: does God exist. Or perhaps with meta-ethics: what is the nature of morality with or without God. It will not be settled on youtube videos and their comments. Calm down chappies.
sonpeter 1 year ago
@sonpeter I couldn't agree with you more.
LinkMaster1711 1 year ago
In the end I suppse the Atheists will find a way to evade this fact all the same like they always do.
Its sad and upsetting.
agreatflood2121 1 year ago
I don't get it when Atheists start spouting about something being right or wrong. By their own belief system, there cannot be any right or wrong. How can anything be right or wrong if there is no absolute ruler of all the universe to declare it to be so? Without God, there logically cannot be anything that is right or wrong.
5h0rgunn 1 year ago
For anybody thinking that Hitler or other evil-doers could possibly be christians, please allow me to share: 1John 2:3 . "And hereby we do know that we know (Jesus), if we keep his commandments.1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
So simple, isnt it?
evanom2 1 year ago
You ever notice how Pro wresting fans are often Christians? I guess idiots don't care if their entertainment is fake.
sororyzbl 1 year ago
"Satanism begins with atheism. We begin with the universe and say, 'It’s indifferent. There’s no God, there’s no Devil. No one cares!'"
-Church of Satan High Priest Peter H. Gilmore
Atheism and Satanism are the same.
Marcell2aG 1 year ago
what s the name of that guy? hobatt or howard something??? its at 0:50
6I6Am6A9red9Pill9 1 year ago
I like your vids, I'm going to subscribe
davemakesawave 2 years ago
Creationists lost a long time ago.
ID lost recently.
gregrutz 2 years ago
Ratings disabled as you know this will attract 1-star ratings for being gibberish.
1 Star.
intruder313 2 years ago
Yeah I know, Atheists rate everything down which doesn't fit into their religious belief system
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
@CreationistsWON Well, at least it isn't a lake of fire...yet.
guidojacobs2002 1 year ago
Comment pending approval? only ppl who know there making bullshit claims sensor comments
ridgetownpimp 2 years ago
Or people who know how desperate Atheists are to hide the truth and twist it, not on my channel though, will not give you the chance. You're free to preech your religion but only when you admit you're religious.
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
this man is a lunatic.
Seidenfuerst 2 years ago
Because he tells us the truth, I know it's hard to swallow, I know
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
Surely Christians should be more worried about the deaths they have caused and how they can prevent such events from happening within their religion before they point the finger? All religions (and atheism) should. 'A broken man cannot fix another broken mind'
BelieverOfDragons 2 years ago
No, the difference is explained by Ravi, in Christianity it's a violation, in Atheism it isn't, it can logically occur, there isn't much that can stop you once the majority of people is behind it...
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
The millions atheism has killed? WTF?
justforflag2 2 years ago
Yep, Mao Zedong leader of China murdered 70,000,000. Joseph Stalin leader of the Soviet Union 20,000,000. Pol Pot leader of Cambodia 2,000,000.
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
Christianity has more skeletons in its closet than athiesm for sure
scott3210 2 years ago
Nope, already wrote the numbers down, 92 million in just a short while compared to Christianity, and in Christianity it's actually an violation as mentioned by Ravi.
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
I think I lost brain cells watching this sorry excuse of a video, way to go, jackass.
OkamiNinja7 2 years ago
So you reached a dangerous area now since there wasn't much you could loose in the first place right ?...lol
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
wtf is this guy talking about.
1720andrew1720 2 years ago
About how many people were killed thanks to Atheism and that it's something that can logically occur since any Atheistic system is immoral
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
The ignorance..IT BURNSSSSS!!!
Seriously?
This is the crap he tries to push on Atheists.
10 million girls murdered in India.
1/That is a cultural thing not due to Atheism
2/India is a religious Nation not generally Atheistic.
MangaFanGuy 2 years ago
The truth, IT BUUUUUURNS LOL
The action was forced upon them threw Atheistic ideas even though the country itself is religious, the ones behind the actions weren't., study history and don't think you know more than Ravi, you're making fun of yourself, someone in his position cannot make such a mistake, you don't even get it
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
Yes, religion is bad, lost.
gregrutz 2 years ago
No, your religion is obviously since you reject the simple truth, I know, your religion doesn't allow you but don't come here with that talk.... you're funny
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
Where is my church, I want to see what religion I am.
gregrutz 2 years ago
You don't need to have a church to be religious, get over yourself, you hold a set of beliefs dearly, you're a religious fanatic because you even dare to deny it
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
Wow, I never knew that Ravi Zacharias was such a piece of shit.
devourerofbabies 2 years ago
For exposing your religion ? You must be pretty mad now, just swallow it easily, don't swallow too much at a time...
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
Oh for crying out loud, enough with the "he killed in the name of this" bs. All those people killed because they had an agenda based on twisted views regardless of that person's creed. Whether you like it or not, Christian morals are just as subjective as atheist morals, as are any religion's morals. Xtians cherry pick their morals from the OT, and choose not to stone people anymore, so what makes you any different from me?
eboyd32 2 years ago
"ased on twisted views regardless of that person's creed"
And that's what happens when you get rid of the meaning of sin, look at tf00t here on YT, I see the USSR repeating itself online.
We don't cherry pick, the Bible is very clear about what we can and can't do, you don't have any absolute morals, you don't know what's good and wrong, you think others can force it upon you while the Bible simply states that's it already written in your heart
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
0:12 - this must be a joke. Which atheists killed in the name of atheism? Why that would be 0. When atheists bring up holy wars, we're talking about zealots that killed in the name of their religion for religious reasons and motivations.
What war has atheists fought for a lack of belief in a god? For rational inquiry?
Bluedragon094 2 years ago
Mao Zedong leader of China murdered 70,000,000. Joseph Stalin leader of the Soviet Union 20,000,000. Pol Pot leader of Cambodia 2,000,000.
Atheism actually mean that you believe that there is no God, they changed it in the 70's to fit their religious ideas. Lack of believe in God is a religious statement, you believe that there is no God, even though you're desperate to change with the meaning LOL
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
Is true for an atheists to kill someone could be something logical,for a Christian is not only against the scriptures, but against the Christian morality to.
VyckRo 2 years ago
Amen to that Vyckro, no one can point that better out than Ravi, for Christianity it must be a violation against what we believe. I thought I could use it as a nice respond to yours :)))
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
Thanks!
VyckRo 2 years ago
Name one logical path FROM atheism that causes murder. Just one.
HighVoltage963 2 years ago
aboriton
notme2468 2 years ago
The fact that you don't know what is right and wrong, you think others can make it up, so when the majority says it's right to kill you can do it.....listen to Ravi, in Christianity its an violation, in Atheism it can logically occur, remember that and repeat that as much as you can
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
@VyckRo
And that's why there's never been a successful Christian nation. Killing is not only part of human nature, it's an important part of success.
OdinCalls14 2 years ago
do you really believe that? what about the child solders in Africa, there killing muslims in the name of christianity. What you should say is that killing ppl gos against your morality. not christian morality b/c as I just pointed out its simply not true.
ridgetownpimp 2 years ago
"there killing muslims in the name of christianity'
You can't kill in the name of Christianity, you're not a Christian when you do these things, listen to Ravi again, VIOLATION
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
Christian Morality is just Human Morality - I don't need an invented God to enforce on me what's right and wrong.
intruder313 2 years ago
Of course not, this way you can make it up, ohw no buddy, it's already written in your heart, you simply deny it
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
Thanks, Ravi to continue defending the faith we believe and know to be true by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
rsaran1288 2 years ago
AMEN !!! Thank you so much for that, you said well !
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
Disabled ratings.... real mature...
ps. would have been 1 star (in case you didn't get the hint...)
galacticjelly 2 years ago
I got the hint, Atheism confronted with the truth means one star, learn me something new LOL
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
@CreationistsWON i wont one star your vid but i will say that your making a pretty confident statement there, however atheism has alot to back it up and religion of any kind struggles to be beleivable
PANTERA619 1 year ago
The truth ALWAYS comes to the light.
wmcdo1 1 year ago
@PANTERA619 Yeah that must be why atheists are in the majority all over the world, right?
But wait, I forgot, oh yeah, it's the other way around.
As usual, the atheist's statement flies in the face of reality.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
people kill for god and are still killing in his name. people dont kill eachother to promote any atheist unity.that is only done in gods name.
DogMeatJesus 2 years ago
No, Mao Zedong leader of China murdered 70,000,000. Joseph Stalin leader of the Soviet Union 20,000,000. Pol Pot leader of Cambodia 2,000,000.
And why ? Because the people thought they could invent their own moral law, well that's what happened and you're deluded enough to defend it.
You're a communist obviously. In Christianity it's forbidden, period, so nothing in Gods name was done, it were deluded figures who did that against the scriptures itself
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
I thought Ravi was above these disgraceful tactics.
There is no logical pathway from atheism to genocide.
We do not get our morals from religion, and I'm glad we don't, because if your society needs to be told that lying, stealing and killing is wrong then I would be very concerned about that society.
GrandSupremeDaddyo 2 years ago
Actually, the moral law is already in your heart but because you deny it you become immoral, willingly immoral, the Bible simply states that we all know what it is.
The example you used confirms what I said, how do you know these things are wrong ? How many things do you know are wrong without finding them back in the law itself ? Strange isn't it ?
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
When have millions been killed for atheism? I want a time when that has happened, unless you are talking about people being killed by Communism.
BrightRaven0 2 years ago
just because the people that were killed by the name of god doesn't mean that the killers were christian. you can say you're something but it doesn't make it true.
veroinuyasha 2 years ago
True. And just because people where not killed in the name of a god does not mean they where killed because of atheism.
pahlrosp 2 years ago
@pahlrosp usually people without fear of God have the courage to kill others, people without a conscience....if you know that there is a God, you will not kill, UNLESS, that god, like Allah, asks Muslims to kill the people of the Book-Jews and Christians. But then again, Allah is not God...THE BIBLE GOD IS LOVE AND JUSTICE.
Adelina1389 2 years ago
"THE BIBLE GOD IS LOVE AND JUSTICE. "
AMEN !!! Even though people do what they do, even though they curse and mock God, God gives even those people a chance to be with him, WHAT ELSE DO WE WANT !!!! PRAISED BE THE LORD !!!
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
Unless you are totally in denial and refuse to look at the facts,you answered your own question! Stalin,hitler,mao,pol pot etc...were all atheists! So,I wonder when were the people killed? What an incredibly silly question
kwil46 2 years ago
Hitler was not an atheist, simple matter of historical fact.
satori137 2 years ago
Yes he was, does the word eugenics tells you something ? Jews closer to the monkey and all that ? The reason why he claimed to be a Christian was for secular reasons and get the people on his side. You should learn history mate
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
@satori137 Claiming to be a christian is very different than actually being a christian. Looking at Hitler's life, it is very simple to conclude that his actions were not in line with the person of Jesus. He was a mass murderer and was heavily involved in the occult. So I will give you this that he may have been raised christian but he certainly did not live for Christ and thus cannot be considered a true christian.
validiusknight7 1 year ago
@validiusknight7 amen to that!!
princessliz15 1 year ago
@kwil46 Hitler was a christian,
nice try. Keep up the lies.
gregrutz 2 years ago
No he wasn't, you're not a Christian because you say so but because you act by it scriptures, try again LOL
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
@CreationistsWON is right I haven't found any sure source that would indicate that Hitler was christian. He was raised catholic thought and from his texts it's clear he was a theist (he did believe in god and that god had created the aryans).
MsGrrargh 1 year ago
@CreationistsWON is right I haven't found any sure source that would indicate that Hitler was christian. He was raised catholic thought and from his texts it's clear he was a theist (he did believe in god and that god had created the aryans).
MsGrrargh 1 year ago
@MsGrrargh He was no Christian-faith without works is DEAD.
A good tree does not bear bad fruit and a bad tree does not bear good fruit
"Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,"1 John 2:4
Remember the whole "love your neighbor" COMMANDS(not suggestions)?
GodLovesUs100 1 year ago
@CreationistsWON Hey bro,I guess by atheist reasoning Satan and his demons are also Christians since they all believe in Jesus and shutter.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CreationistsWON Hitler may not have been a Christian but the catholic church supported the third reich, and the vast majority of the SS were catholic.
119Elias119 1 year ago
@119Elias119 How in the world you can claim Hitler as maybe a christian and at the same time claim Thomas Jefferson a diest?...if Jefferson talk and wrote letters claiming to be a true diciple of Jesus,but then blast his dislike to catholicism and call that a diest?..but Hitler did the other way around,his dislike to any church,replace religion with his own Aryan religion,but still people like you think we will take the bait and belive you? who are you? are you above history?..
breedofthe45 1 year ago
@breedofthe45 "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man" thats a quote from Thomas Jefferson, and while whether Hitler was a Christan or not is up for debate, he certainly never distanced himself from the Catholic church and neither did the catholic church distance itself from him.
xalston 1 year ago
@xalston "I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus." [Letter to Benjamin Rush April 21, 1803]
Brucev7 1 year ago
@CreationistsWON absolutely correct!
hexusziggurat 1 year ago
@gregrutz his parents were christian, but he renounced that at a young age.
campb91 1 year ago
@gregrutz Hitler was a member of the Thule Society which is about as non-christian as you can get
purduewilly 1 year ago
@gregrutz If hitler was truly a christian he wouldn't have done the thing he did. You can tell a true christian by their fruits, a tree that bears no fruit is cut down and cast into the lake of fire, that's God's word.
micah1116 1 year ago
@gregrutz Hitler had bible burnings. If he was a christian he wasnt a good one...
iftheyonlynew 1 year ago
I would like to know as well, but even if it was.....
The cause of death was not BECAUSE of Atheism, as opposed to the deaths DIRECTLY caused by religion.
BrellK 2 years ago
this video is a waste of bandwidth.
mickcr 2 years ago
haha I hope you didn't think you sounded cool when you said that. You got some of your little friends over and made them giggle? Awesome man, keep it up! you crack me up...but seriously, id like to look as some of the crap that you watch and see how much more bandwidth that takes up.
LOSTinCLOUDS09 2 years ago
Exactly.
hee shud get off teh internetz.
MarowakDidIt 2 years ago
i think the female babies dying is more of a cultural thing with men needed to work the fields and look after the family if you have girls they can't do this so why bother having one. *not my view btw*. How this is related to atheism im not sure
nowhereusa 2 years ago
its not related to atheism. The point being made is that the people he is speaking about who "happen to be atheist" often make their point of the attrocities mankind makes are guided by the theistic compass. Zach's point slams home well enough when you realize that the atheist often has their crosshairs pointed at the theistic community but doesn't address the terrible happenings that are not theistic-related (like the killing of babies in india).
hexusziggurat 2 years ago
If it's not related to atheists then Zac is lying! No surprise that's theists either lie, twist, assume, or guess at things! Maybe he should be asking people like Sam Harris directly what his position is rather than assuming, don't you think? Also, Harris and others like him admit that their are evil atheists like there are evil theists!
99minerkc 2 years ago
I know, this whole video seems pretty irrelevant. I have trouble following his train of thought.
bummercucumber 2 years ago
he is saying because if you do not have objective morals, then we make our own rules. And then really, what is wrong? nothing if it works for us right? that is why atheism can be dangerous.
ronhudsonjr 2 years ago
If anyone actually believes this, then I really hope they don't lose their faith in a god. Because apparently without it they would be murdering babies.
Botzu 2 years ago
So are you murdering babies babies then ?
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
@CreationistsWON haha definitely agree with you. Dr. Zacharias is a great man; a very wise man in that.
FredSchuck 1 year ago
@Botzu Hey there! You may not have got what he meant by that because this clip was taken out of context of the whole talk.
But he is mentioning the murdering of babies because he was making note of the fact that the athiest view has and cannot logically explain morality without assuming that there is God. So he was mentionin what happens in a society where only our human law is trusted.
Check out the ravi zacharias - need god? videos on youtube..very deep stuff. Take care
JNRakaDJ 1 year ago
OK,I'll have a cheeseburger,fries and a coke.Sorry,you might not have heard that last bit,someone was shouting.
sonortubelug 2 years ago
you do not feel ashame ? sam harris is more pure than any god ever invented.
mabkml 2 years ago
you are right. He is more pure than any "invented" god.
helpmetony 2 years ago
haha well said
LOSTinCLOUDS09 2 years ago
how are baby girls in india dying related to atheism?
...people dont kill or abort babies because of a lack of belief in god.
shananciole15 2 years ago 2
@shananciole15 Yes they do. Atheists have no absolute morals. As explained by Ravi in another video. You fail =)
donovanrules123123 1 year ago
@shananciole15 hitler was athiest. the philosophy behind the holocaust was from fredrick nietzsche, the german philosopher said that equality amoung men was made up by the lesser man so that they would feel equal among the more powerful, and that ultimatly men were not equal. Hitler used that philosophy to start the 3rd reich, hoping that he could kill all lesser men and make the world more powerful. he truley thought he was doing a good thing.
rushmatt 1 year ago
this whole atheist satanism thing is pretty retarded..also if you truely lived by the words of the bible you'd be in jail right now
toolegit2quittttt 2 years ago 2
toolegit2quittttt, how would truly following the Bible send one to jail?
User100606 2 years ago
Leviticus 20:11
HighVoltage963 2 years ago
HighVoltage963, to read anything out of context is childish and foolish. The context of the verse you mentioned is of the tribes of Israel, which had their own government. In Puritan America they followed Leviticus and all other parts of the Bible. But things changed after the flood of Deists from Britain, it was Deists that wrote the constitution.
User100606 2 years ago
It's not taken out of context, that whole chapter seems to say under what circumstances it's ok for a man to be killed, sleeping with your step mother (20:11), sleeping with your neighbors wife (20:10) and there are more.
HighVoltage963 2 years ago
Not only send you to jail(stone gay people as soon as you see them,kill all zoofils,kill all children who insult their partents, but you would even kill yourself(gauge out your eyes if you see a woman or man with lust,cut your hand if you sin with it) LOL
DanielBlueFist 2 years ago
Murders in the name of Atheism? Millions none the less? I would like to know the source on that.
HighVoltage963 2 years ago
Atheism has killed nobody.
The killing of female babies in India is because of their religion.
Atheists are not satanists. In order to believe in satan, one must necessarily also be a theist.
Belief in satan is a THEISTIC belief, & therefore Atheists are not satanists.
Theists believe in satan.
Satan is a christian god figure.
paspax 2 years ago
Nope, Ravi comes from India, he knows it better than you and me, they didn't need the girls so they killed them logicly...just like Ravi says, in Christianity it has to be a violation of what they believe, the NT is all about loving another... Atheists are Satanists, Satan is a fallan angel no God figure.
CreationistsWON 2 years ago
A satanist is someone who prays to, believes in and worships the devil.
An atheist is someone who doesn't pray, believe in God(s), or practice religious worship.
So... no. Atheism and satanism are mutually exclusive. One cannot, by mere definition, overlap the other.
2MassEffect2 2 years ago 2
Oh, and atheists don't believe in the accompanying accoutrement of your religions either.
So the fact that according to Christian doctrine Satan is a fallen angel (and not a God) is irrelevant.
Atheist Satanism cannot exist. You just hate people who don't believe you.
2MassEffect2 2 years ago 3
Your right! One of Lucifer's great tricks is convincing you he does not exist. Ravi is assume thanks for posting.
nightstalkersasslt 2 years ago
@nightstalkersasslt the greatest trick to convincing people he doesnt exist is logic
PANTERA619 1 year ago