If you came up with a thing and I was mistaken, I would change my thinking a bit but I can never change my belief. I Love Jesus to much. Most Atheist wants to, hear God before you believe. But the problem is you have to believe before you can you can hear him. Catch 22.
I used to be a Christian, ChankenHSW, I believed it, very much so, even when I was younger and my imagination was at its climax, but I still never heard god, not with words, not with my heart, not with my mind.. Why?
cont. As for the reason why I'm NOT Christian anymore... Too many contradictions, too many opinions involved.. Christianity, much like every other religion, is a theory, just like the big bang theory.. Neither can be proven, everyone has their opinions about it, and most likely, none of them are right..
cont. SO THEN, I choose not to bother with it.. And when I do die, if Christianity is actually correct, then God loves me anyway and I'm not going to hell, because I, much like many Atheists, and even SATANISTS, am a good person. Enjoy your faith.
@ChankenHSW "If you came up with a thing and I was mistaken, I would change my thinking a bit but I can never change my belief. I Love Muhamad too much. Most Atheist wants to, hear Allah before you believe. But the problem is you have to believe before you can you can hear him."... "I Love Shiva too much. Most Atheist wants to, hear Shiva before you believe." etc etc .. get the point?
@DocStrange0123 Yea I understand and it makes seance in a lot of ways.. But you heard Hitler in videos do you believe in him?? What is stand for?? And you don't hear God but you do read his word.. But biggest reason is to believe in Faith.. If you work and your don't have you pay check yet you have faith you will get it.. Even tho you can't touch or see it you know it's real and coming.. That how Christian think's about Jesus.. Thx 4 commenting me back..GB
@ChankenHSW what the hell are you talking about? hitler? I believe what exactly? his existance? his ideology? elaborate. Bad analogy, I go to work, I have a contract, I've been paid before so I don't have faith to get my pay check I expect to have it since I have evidence that this is probably what will happen... "That how Christian think's about Jesus" I know, but that doesn't make automatically real that a man that supposedly lived 2000 years ago is going to make you live forever...
@DocStrange0123 Do you know what Faith means?? confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability to get your check to you on time..the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Just like they promise you your get paid.. Jesus is many things bud.. Regardless on how you feel main thing he loves you period.. GB
@ChankenHSW yes, faith is the belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing, "faith" can refer to a religion itself or in general. in other words, faith means to believe in something without evidence or without compelling evidence, if you have evidence you don't need faith. And what those many thing are may I ask?. A dead man can't love, besides I never asked to be loved by a Jewish Zombie in the first place, looks like I'm being billed for something I didn't order
@ChankenHSW (2) besides, no matter how pleasant it feels "love" is just a biological adaptation and a bio-quemical-electrical process in your brain, feels good and we don't think about it when we love someone but that is what love is.. if you are dead your brain doesn't work therefore you can't love.
@DocStrange0123 I thought I knew what Love was.. But in a way your right.. When we Love threw our eye's it is Limited.. We can hate.. But when I got saved I love threw God's eye's and now it is unlimited Love.. A LOT Different.. I love everyone with love that cannot be explained nor looked at by a microscope. It's not a Chemical Love any more it is a Spiritual Love.. A Lot Better than not knowing Jesus..
Come and see my video about what the bible teaches about the wrath of God and who it is revealed against. It is not revealed against the general public. Come and find out.. seek truth and be set free
Its not a terrible argument at all. I know that when i die i will be judged by god not odin or thor but god. the christian god if you didnt know who i was referring to. and if im wrong then so what i just cease to exist . There is no way for me to prove to anyone that god or Jesus is real or that there is a heaven. Its just something that i know i cant explain it or anything like that but i do know that i definitely a bettered myself because of my beliefs, whether god is real or not.
You're missing the point, people have always claimed they know, once people said they know that Valhalla is real and the other gods (the non-Norse ones) were fake. People say they know that they are reincarnated aliens (scientology...). People ways think they've known, but different people have different truths or supposed knowledge and this is where the burden of proof comes in, if you make a claim you need to prove it or it is no more valid than any other claim.
If you're going to come out and publicly say something like having a belief in the supernatural you should expect people to be skeptical and challenging of your views. But you got people's back up when you said "You could show me all the proof in the world taht god isnt real and i would still believe that he is." Which leads people to think you're close minded and people like me will challenge that. Also you where being preachy, which also people will respond to.
I'm probably butting into a conversation here, but I'd like to ask a question. This is actually a question, not an attack of any kind. If you can't offer evidence but simply 'know' that what you say is right then how does one differentiate between your opinion and the opinion of anyone else that believes in what is not demonstrably evident? This could includes psychics, demons, UFOs, and a dog secretly transforming into a man and having an affair with a significant other. Thanks.
i am a christian and i think that you have a good point and you did this video very tastefully. i know that god is real and jesus came to earth and died for my sins. i have no proof of this other than the bible. You could show me all the proof in the world taht god isnt real and i would still believe that he is. its not that im not open to other opinions its that i believe in my heart god is real. the only thing that bothers me about atheism is the need for proof and no room for faith.
you don't see you own personal view as unreasonable? what if I said that no amount of proof could convince me god existed?
as for faith, the question is this "why should I have YOUR faith"? faith could be used to believe ANYTHING. I think faith to the extent that we cannot be 100% certain of everything is fine, I mainly have a problem with beliefs held on faith when they are not even the most reasonable world view to hold.
it would only bother me because i feel bad for you, but im not going to preach to you or try to convince you to believe what i believe. You can believe in what ever you want or not believe in anything. I would rather go my whole life believing in a god that isnt real and find out that when i die then to be an atheist and find that there is god. If in the end there is no god, it only bettered me as a person while i was here on earth
Faith is the belief in something without logical proof, I dont see faith as be either good or useful. When an atheist talks about proof were trying to show you why we dont believe what you do, we have no logical reason to.
In the second comment you then seem to use Pascal's wager, it's a terrible argument that uses awful assumptions. One major problem is there is more than one religion and many more gods, all have the same evidence to support them, none, so how can you know which choice is right? How do you know it's not Odin and Thor waiting for you in the afterlife?
if being bettered as a person means being arrogant, conceited, closed minded, judgemental, irrational, wasting your life on medieval practises, and embracing lies over truth. There is also the possiblility that there is no, god, but there is life after death, and the only chains placed upon you are those you create within your own mind. Since religion means closing your mind, and all manmade religions are certainly wrong, if that word has any meaning, then you have everything to lose.
Well since you dont know me how are you going to say that im arrogant, conceited, close minded, judge mental, and irrational. That statement in itself was more judgemental then anything i have said this whole time. why do most of the people on here have all of these preconceived notions about who i am r how i am?
I think it's a great plan that he put into place. In the end, he will only have people that truly love him for what he has given us and not because he forced them to. I think he intended for the evidence to not be overwhelming. You would take away from the free will if it were like that. If he were to show up every generation or so faith would not be needed at all.
It's would be a better plan if it wasn't for the evidence contradicting it.
The bible was written by people that didn't understand the world around them, that's why the evidence is against it, we now know things that they (the writers) could never of imagined.
You think that god covered his tracks by not making the evidence overwhelming. (for whatever reason)
I think making the evidence completely contradictive to the supposed 'divine' text is stupid, really stupid.
That's your opinion and that's really all that it is. I have my opinion, and that's all that it is. You have no evidence of contradicting it ? You may have a theory contradicting it, but it's only a theory not evidence.
1; The bible says the earth is 6000 years old, but the evidence points to the earth being around 4.54 billion years.
That is not my opinion, it's fact.
2; If we're talking about scientific theories (which we are), they are a body of principles offered to explain a phenomenon and they are back up by evidence.
Again this is not my opinion just the way it is.
Rejecting the evidence just to cling on to the childish fantasy of immortal life in magic happy land is foolish, that's opinion.
The earth may or may not be 6000 years old. The bible also says a day is a 1000 years and a 1000 years is a day to God. Hopefully you are not referring to carbon dating. After 5000 years it is so distorted that it cannot be reliable at all. Coincindence ?, I don't think so. How many times has science "Changed Their Minds". You humor me when you say you have facts.
Fail, Carbon dating is not used to date the earth and if you knew anything thing about the subject you wouldn't of made such a stupid comment. You don't carbon date rock as there is no carbon in it and carbon dating dates up to 40,000 years not 5,000. So there is no coincidence as you got the facts wrong.
You have just repeated the same crap that people like Kent Hovind tell others, its still wrong.
Your ignorance assumes me, so at least we're both getting a laugh out of this.
I think one of the major problems with an atheist believing is that hard evidence. My personal belief is God did not want to give that hard evidence. He did not want us to serve him like that. If he had come to earth every couple generations, shoots lightning bolts at sin cities, then performs some miracles, the majority of people would serve him. But he doesn't want people to serve him like that. He gave us just enough information to make a choice.
This is the fallacy of theism. It is not possible for a theist to embrace ideals contrary to said faith, as faith by definition is the embrace of a set of ideals. To do otherwise would indicate a lack of faith. If your god told you explicitly to kill anyone who isn't like you, but you didn't believe that was right, would you really be following your faith? The answer is no. According to the bible, 100% of christians today are not christians. Not one person in life follows the bible to the T.
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Have fun in life, with your insecure attitude :O The point is that you have done something that is wrong, have you ever stolen something, lied, looked upon woman with lust, or disobeyed your parents? Have you ever coveted, have you ever swore? Well then your scheduled for hell unless you admit that you have done something is wrong, asked jesus for forgiveness, and turned away from sin. But if you want evidence, look into the bible, it is an historical account by the way.
Did you swallow that technique from 'way of the master'? To condemn someone for small-scale moral infringments demands a moral perfectionism that reflects your insecurity, not mine. Keep your sanitised nature-fearing philosophy Christian, and watch yourself become more and more obsolete.
Kornwistlive, you ARE an atheist! You don't believe in Avellenau, or worship the Rainbow Serpent, do you? Nor do you place your trust in the thousands of other deities invented by frail and fallible human beings over the millennia. That makes you an atheist, my friend. I'm an atheist who just happens to believe in fewer gods than you do.
Kprntwistlive, If you ever bother to read the Bible, you will note that Yahweh was always on the warpath against other gods. If they didn't exist, why was he so jealous and angry about their worship? Why did he make a commandment about having no gods "BEFORE" him? Think about it.
because people make up the gods...its not that the gods dont exist. is because there are many made up gods. and he wants us to believe in the true one not man made god. but the true god himself.
I think that is unfortunate that your only interactions with Christians have turned out this way. I am a christian and the only piece of advise that I could give you is that there are Christians out there that don't like the way those Christians do things.
Indoctrination into believing in a sky-daddy from day one of life, certainly makes it difficult for the indoctrinated to see any other way of thinking. That is why Prof. Dawkins, and many others, consider it child abuse to force the parents' religious views on the child. This is, in my opinion, why it is so difficult for them to listen to evidence. As a bio teacher, I see it everyday in class. They close their ears and minds to the evidence because it conflicts.
Jesus said unless the Father draw them to me they can not be my disciples. Until that day, you will never believe. I don't care if you believe. If you are destined to believe then you will. If not so be it. Christianity is an exclusive club. Strait and narrow, remember.
You are looking at "people" .... only God can give you answers. The Creator is Spirit, not man, and all that are brought to Him are brought by the Holy Spirit and they then KNOW God. A contrite and humble spirit He will not cast out. He is God, we are the Created. Call on Jesus, when you really want the truth and He will be there to forgive you and wash your spirit and it is wonderful.
People wrote it down, but it was divinely orchestrated. Think about it- there are 66 different ancient manuscripts of history, poetry, songs, and prophesy collected over a span of 1500 years- with 40 different writers (who didn't have a big meeting together to decide what to write about) that tell ONE single and amazing story. God showed himself to people and then the people wrote it down- it would be like me blogging about my day or recording the minutes of a speech or meeting.
wow. good job making a perfect illustration of the kind of person he was referencing.
could you possibly be more insulting than you tried to be right there? that was as rude, condescending, and calculated a remark as i've seen or heard in a while.
King Crimson Rocks! haha, and some of the smartest most critical minded people I have ever known personally are Christians, and then there are individuals like mr C.S Lewis. There are just as many noodle-headed atheists and there are noodle-headed beleivers.
@kingcrimson234@tooltime9901 Yeah I dont want to be preyed for either tooltime. I dont mind christians so much until they start to condescend people, then it quickly turns to hate. Your a good guy tooltime so i will say it for you. Kingcrimson234, you are a fucktard, prey for yourself you douche.
@bakkerrich1979 heh. you're right. sorry. you're obviously brilliant and don't need my help. and professing themselves as wise, they became as fools. fucktard.
@kingcrimson234 if you think the words he uses are big words, then you certianly havent had any experience with a mentally challenging and specialized carrear. Try countering intellectual content in videos with intelligent and educated comments... if you're capable of it.
I agree. I notice the pattern that many do not want to not feel all saved and protected. Its psychology. To them , ignorance is bliss. They don't want to enter the "Matrix" It scares the shit out of them because they've been brainwashed so. They're mislead to think Atheists are the moral scum of the earth. Which is hate propaganda in my opinion.
I agree. To a lot of them, even contemplating the idea that there might not be a god is blasphemy of temptation of Satan. They get you coming and going as far as the fear factor goes. I plan to make a video some day soon about how Christianity tries to get you to view the world.
"Really, Everyone Believes that to an extent. I'll summarize with 3 categories possibility, probability and hope. I consider hope to be a logical pursuit because we all need it to function. Bye."
christian's have shown you evidence you just pass the bible off as a fairy tale ...so well ,we can only pray for you, maybe one day you'll open your eyes
I am sorry, but I never said the Bible was a fairy tale. I may have called it a myth, but that is because IT IS A MYTH, regardless of whether it is true or not.
Really, Everyone Believes that to an extent. I'll summarize with 3 categories possibility, probability and hope. I consider hope to be a logical pursuit because we all need it to function. Bye.
I understand your viewpoint. I am a former agnostic myself. I do study other view points and find them very interesting. Still I have a confidence in the evidences I have studied because they give an explanation. I don't believe in magic. I beleive there are things we just don't know.
comparative religion, quantum theory, biblical prophecy, Steven Hawking's theories on time and the universe. Brain studies on Christians revealed a "god spot" in the mind. My own personal experiment with the Christian god. I didn't know there was such a thing as a "spirit" in Christianity. Scared the crap out of me. I felt god come into my body. It was strange but pleasant.
What exactly to you think comparative religion and quantum theory and Steven Hawking's theories on time and the universe prove? Sorry, but brain scans show no such thing. Billions have claimed vivid personal experiences with Shiva, Krishna, Buddha, Allah, The Universal Mind, you name it. It proves that A) those people had profound experiences, and B) they interpreted them in a way they understood.
I was refering to a study on nuns performed by an atheist. He was trying to prove them crazy, but that's beside the point. It' true that there's no particular part of the brain in the litteral sence, But they had strange brain activity when they were praying. It's a pop psychology classic. I was hoping you'd recognize the key word God spot and look it up.
I never used the word Proof. The theories I refer to are generally argued for the possibility of a personal god. I don't doubt those people had an experience with god. I found the bible to be the only religious book to claims god lives inside man the way I described. That and I was praying to Christ for the first time when it happened. I can only go on what mankind has to work with. Peace.
None of those theories argue there is a personal god. I find it very strange that you think people prayed to other gods and got yours instead. The bible may be the "only book" but the idea is by NO means exclusive to Christianity.
The theory of general relativity suggests time and space had a beginning. That the universe wasn't always there. Something happened. If we knew what there wouldn't be anything to discuss. This dousn't prove a higher power, but it makes it as good an idea as any. These theories of other dimensions and universes makes all kinds of things possible. If people can believe in life on other planets why not dimensions?
they found almost identical brain activity in Buddhist munks as well. you are "Doing something" in a neurological sense when you pray, so why should it be any suprise that there is brain activity as a result?
dmt...when you die and are near death it is released in a large amount nearly 3x greater then when you sleep. People who have smoked it have said they met god Buddha ect ect
Many Christians do expect you to believe without scrutinizing or examining the evidence. It is referred to as "blind faith" or in some instances a "leap of faith." I have had more than one priest in my Catholic school upbringing tell me this. This is one of the fatal flaws as far as I'm concerned. If their faith is in fact truth, then there would be room for "blind faith" but it should additionally hold up to the scrutiny of closer critical examination.
"Faith is the antithesis of proof." So for someone to believe based on evidence, then they have no faith. The xtian doctrines are all based on faith and reject proof. Faith is seen as a virtue instead of the willful stupidity and delusion that it really is. Many examples of this basic tenet can be found in the new testament such as jesus saying that you have to become like a small child (ignorant, gullible), when jesus chides his disciples as being of little faith, etc.
He also apparently expected most of the people in his own time to accept the idea that he was resurrected from the dead on faith. Note the fact that the only people who claimed to see Jesus alive after the crucifixion were his zealot followers. Why did he not simply show up at the Temple and cause a mass conversion?
Exactly tooltime, "faith" does not need to be universal. Those who examine evidence don't need faith. Those who don't care enough to find out could still have faith in their religion. To say that evidence is bad because we then can't have faith is ridiculous. A god that requires faith does so why? As some sort of strange hazing, or test? Is that a kind and caring god?
I think you are correct. If there was a god, and worshiping him was something he required of all people, then it makes very little sense that he would leave such much to faith. One would think that he would want to make it transparently clear to everyone that he existed.
"One would think that he [God] would want to make it transparently clear to everyone that he existed.
Many Christians claim He does, the evidence is undeniable, right in front of your nose. They then proceed to describe the beauties of nature, proclaim personal certainty, use "logic" (cause and effect usually), and of course, wrap it up with the consequences for disbelief. You will be asked to prove them wrong.
I would tell such hypothetical Christian that the apparent beauty of nature proves nothing, point out that billions of people claim personal certainty in other gods, and then debunk the allegedly dire consequences that follow from disbelief.
One of my favorite ewetubians "desertphile" wonderfully describes the essence of these generic creator arguments: "Sometime, somewhere, something did something."
Can you give me an example of some counter evidence? I can see you might give some evidence about the Bible, but not all Christians believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. I mean some counter evidence that God exists.
A more accurate way of saying it would have been to say when their arguments are debunked. You are correct to point out that it is hard to give evidence that something does not exist. For example, I can think of very little, or perhaps no evidence that aliens don't exist, and yet I do not believe they have been proven to exist either. Many thinks that are religious have alternative explanations. It all depends on what we are calling evidence.
They key is that its not enough for just them to believe. Nope. They need for you to believe as well so that it reinforces that which they know in there heart is irrational. Once one takes the leap of faith it must be done over and over again because ... one isn't really 100% convinced. They need support and reinforcement of the idea. Rational people tear their ideas apart just cuz they can, but not the pious.
I realise now that trying to talk to christians is like talking to a blank wall, especially with equalsexes, we need to focus on our future children and help prevent them being brainwashed
I think those who critizise JF for bothering with atheists are deeply concerned that christian viewers watch the reply and may grow that seed of doubt from all these discussions. Why else would they mind?
Spot on Tooltime. It seems to me many of the faithful contend that only through belief in a (the) higher power can one acquire "true" knowledge. In short, knowledge of anything meaningful is a gift granted to those who first surrender the notion that it can ascertained in any other way. Believe first THEN question. But never question your core belief.
Actually, before I saw Jf's video and made a response I was going to make a video reply to 2 videos by veritas48 called "knowing God exists" where he tries to argue exactly what you are saying, IE that only the 'holy spirit' can repair the cognitive damage brought by 'sin'.
Absolutely. I don't think we'll see any fair play, and openness to argument of this kind, from jezuzfreek. But as he indicates in his vid, there are many more people who watch these vids than there are people who respond and comment on them. And among those will occasionally be people who are prepared to critically examine their beliefs.
what counter evedence all atheist can
say is THERES NO PROOF
thats y they call it FAITH moron!!!!!
and look at the sighns around u
have u read rev:?
boypony91 2 years ago
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bratygurl14 2 years ago
If you came up with a thing and I was mistaken, I would change my thinking a bit but I can never change my belief. I Love Jesus to much. Most Atheist wants to, hear God before you believe. But the problem is you have to believe before you can you can hear him. Catch 22.
ChankenHSW 2 years ago
I used to be a Christian, ChankenHSW, I believed it, very much so, even when I was younger and my imagination was at its climax, but I still never heard god, not with words, not with my heart, not with my mind.. Why?
malizmaul 2 years ago 5
cont. As for the reason why I'm NOT Christian anymore... Too many contradictions, too many opinions involved.. Christianity, much like every other religion, is a theory, just like the big bang theory.. Neither can be proven, everyone has their opinions about it, and most likely, none of them are right..
malizmaul 2 years ago
cont. SO THEN, I choose not to bother with it.. And when I do die, if Christianity is actually correct, then God loves me anyway and I'm not going to hell, because I, much like many Atheists, and even SATANISTS, am a good person. Enjoy your faith.
malizmaul 2 years ago 2
@ChankenHSW "If you came up with a thing and I was mistaken, I would change my thinking a bit but I can never change my belief. I Love Muhamad too much. Most Atheist wants to, hear Allah before you believe. But the problem is you have to believe before you can you can hear him."... "I Love Shiva too much. Most Atheist wants to, hear Shiva before you believe." etc etc .. get the point?
DocStrange0123 1 year ago
@DocStrange0123 Yea I understand and it makes seance in a lot of ways.. But you heard Hitler in videos do you believe in him?? What is stand for?? And you don't hear God but you do read his word.. But biggest reason is to believe in Faith.. If you work and your don't have you pay check yet you have faith you will get it.. Even tho you can't touch or see it you know it's real and coming.. That how Christian think's about Jesus.. Thx 4 commenting me back..GB
ChankenHSW 1 year ago
@ChankenHSW what the hell are you talking about? hitler? I believe what exactly? his existance? his ideology? elaborate. Bad analogy, I go to work, I have a contract, I've been paid before so I don't have faith to get my pay check I expect to have it since I have evidence that this is probably what will happen... "That how Christian think's about Jesus" I know, but that doesn't make automatically real that a man that supposedly lived 2000 years ago is going to make you live forever...
DocStrange0123 1 year ago
@DocStrange0123 Do you know what Faith means?? confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability to get your check to you on time..the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Just like they promise you your get paid.. Jesus is many things bud.. Regardless on how you feel main thing he loves you period.. GB
ChankenHSW 1 year ago
@ChankenHSW yes, faith is the belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing, "faith" can refer to a religion itself or in general. in other words, faith means to believe in something without evidence or without compelling evidence, if you have evidence you don't need faith. And what those many thing are may I ask?. A dead man can't love, besides I never asked to be loved by a Jewish Zombie in the first place, looks like I'm being billed for something I didn't order
DocStrange0123 1 year ago
@ChankenHSW (2) besides, no matter how pleasant it feels "love" is just a biological adaptation and a bio-quemical-electrical process in your brain, feels good and we don't think about it when we love someone but that is what love is.. if you are dead your brain doesn't work therefore you can't love.
DocStrange0123 1 year ago
@DocStrange0123 I thought I knew what Love was.. But in a way your right.. When we Love threw our eye's it is Limited.. We can hate.. But when I got saved I love threw God's eye's and now it is unlimited Love.. A LOT Different.. I love everyone with love that cannot be explained nor looked at by a microscope. It's not a Chemical Love any more it is a Spiritual Love.. A Lot Better than not knowing Jesus..
ChankenHSW 1 year ago
@ChankenHSW thats's a product of your brain too...
DocStrange0123 1 year ago
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headachehealer 2 years ago
Its not a terrible argument at all. I know that when i die i will be judged by god not odin or thor but god. the christian god if you didnt know who i was referring to. and if im wrong then so what i just cease to exist . There is no way for me to prove to anyone that god or Jesus is real or that there is a heaven. Its just something that i know i cant explain it or anything like that but i do know that i definitely a bettered myself because of my beliefs, whether god is real or not.
bobleshingle13 3 years ago
You're missing the point, people have always claimed they know, once people said they know that Valhalla is real and the other gods (the non-Norse ones) were fake. People say they know that they are reincarnated aliens (scientology...). People ways think they've known, but different people have different truths or supposed knowledge and this is where the burden of proof comes in, if you make a claim you need to prove it or it is no more valid than any other claim.
anonbehell 3 years ago
no not really i have no need or feel no need to prove what i believe to anyone.
bobleshingle13 2 years ago
If you're going to come out and publicly say something like having a belief in the supernatural you should expect people to be skeptical and challenging of your views. But you got people's back up when you said "You could show me all the proof in the world taht god isnt real and i would still believe that he is." Which leads people to think you're close minded and people like me will challenge that. Also you where being preachy, which also people will respond to.
anonbehell 2 years ago
I'm probably butting into a conversation here, but I'd like to ask a question. This is actually a question, not an attack of any kind. If you can't offer evidence but simply 'know' that what you say is right then how does one differentiate between your opinion and the opinion of anyone else that believes in what is not demonstrably evident? This could includes psychics, demons, UFOs, and a dog secretly transforming into a man and having an affair with a significant other. Thanks.
itsjustmax 2 years ago
i am a christian and i think that you have a good point and you did this video very tastefully. i know that god is real and jesus came to earth and died for my sins. i have no proof of this other than the bible. You could show me all the proof in the world taht god isnt real and i would still believe that he is. its not that im not open to other opinions its that i believe in my heart god is real. the only thing that bothers me about atheism is the need for proof and no room for faith.
bobleshingle13 3 years ago
you don't see you own personal view as unreasonable? what if I said that no amount of proof could convince me god existed?
as for faith, the question is this "why should I have YOUR faith"? faith could be used to believe ANYTHING. I think faith to the extent that we cannot be 100% certain of everything is fine, I mainly have a problem with beliefs held on faith when they are not even the most reasonable world view to hold.
tooltime9901 3 years ago 4
it would only bother me because i feel bad for you, but im not going to preach to you or try to convince you to believe what i believe. You can believe in what ever you want or not believe in anything. I would rather go my whole life believing in a god that isnt real and find out that when i die then to be an atheist and find that there is god. If in the end there is no god, it only bettered me as a person while i was here on earth
bobleshingle13 3 years ago
Faith is the belief in something without logical proof, I dont see faith as be either good or useful. When an atheist talks about proof were trying to show you why we dont believe what you do, we have no logical reason to.
anonbehell 3 years ago
In the second comment you then seem to use Pascal's wager, it's a terrible argument that uses awful assumptions. One major problem is there is more than one religion and many more gods, all have the same evidence to support them, none, so how can you know which choice is right? How do you know it's not Odin and Thor waiting for you in the afterlife?
(Youtube needs to allow big comments)
anonbehell 3 years ago
if being bettered as a person means being arrogant, conceited, closed minded, judgemental, irrational, wasting your life on medieval practises, and embracing lies over truth. There is also the possiblility that there is no, god, but there is life after death, and the only chains placed upon you are those you create within your own mind. Since religion means closing your mind, and all manmade religions are certainly wrong, if that word has any meaning, then you have everything to lose.
alienzen 2 years ago
Well since you dont know me how are you going to say that im arrogant, conceited, close minded, judge mental, and irrational. That statement in itself was more judgemental then anything i have said this whole time. why do most of the people on here have all of these preconceived notions about who i am r how i am?
bobleshingle13 2 years ago
i read what you wrote. you are all those things.
alienzen 2 years ago
well since you are so good at being able to tell how i am through a couple of comments then y dont you go into the water.HAHA
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anonbehell 3 years ago
The bible doesn't tell us everything. He's God, he doesn't have to. But it does tell us enough to make a choice.
flatpicker1234 3 years ago
I think it's a great plan that he put into place. In the end, he will only have people that truly love him for what he has given us and not because he forced them to. I think he intended for the evidence to not be overwhelming. You would take away from the free will if it were like that. If he were to show up every generation or so faith would not be needed at all.
flatpicker1234 3 years ago
It's would be a better plan if it wasn't for the evidence contradicting it.
The bible was written by people that didn't understand the world around them, that's why the evidence is against it, we now know things that they (the writers) could never of imagined.
You think that god covered his tracks by not making the evidence overwhelming. (for whatever reason)
I think making the evidence completely contradictive to the supposed 'divine' text is stupid, really stupid.
anonbehell 3 years ago
That's your opinion and that's really all that it is. I have my opinion, and that's all that it is. You have no evidence of contradicting it ? You may have a theory contradicting it, but it's only a theory not evidence.
flatpicker1234 3 years ago
1; The bible says the earth is 6000 years old, but the evidence points to the earth being around 4.54 billion years.
That is not my opinion, it's fact.
2; If we're talking about scientific theories (which we are), they are a body of principles offered to explain a phenomenon and they are back up by evidence.
Again this is not my opinion just the way it is.
Rejecting the evidence just to cling on to the childish fantasy of immortal life in magic happy land is foolish, that's opinion.
anonbehell 3 years ago
The earth may or may not be 6000 years old. The bible also says a day is a 1000 years and a 1000 years is a day to God. Hopefully you are not referring to carbon dating. After 5000 years it is so distorted that it cannot be reliable at all. Coincindence ?, I don't think so. How many times has science "Changed Their Minds". You humor me when you say you have facts.
flatpicker1234 3 years ago
Fail, Carbon dating is not used to date the earth and if you knew anything thing about the subject you wouldn't of made such a stupid comment. You don't carbon date rock as there is no carbon in it and carbon dating dates up to 40,000 years not 5,000. So there is no coincidence as you got the facts wrong.
You have just repeated the same crap that people like Kent Hovind tell others, its still wrong.
Your ignorance assumes me, so at least we're both getting a laugh out of this.
anonbehell 3 years ago
amuses ?
bobleshingle13 3 years ago
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Yes, I was typing at two in the morning, the mistake slipped my notice.
anonbehell 3 years ago
I think one of the major problems with an atheist believing is that hard evidence. My personal belief is God did not want to give that hard evidence. He did not want us to serve him like that. If he had come to earth every couple generations, shoots lightning bolts at sin cities, then performs some miracles, the majority of people would serve him. But he doesn't want people to serve him like that. He gave us just enough information to make a choice.
flatpicker1234 3 years ago
what i don't understand is why an all powerful being would even be so hung up on people serving him to begin with.
tooltime9901 3 years ago 2
You think Christians are the only ones who do this? Atheist philosophers do the same thing all the time.
braino2000 3 years ago
This is the fallacy of theism. It is not possible for a theist to embrace ideals contrary to said faith, as faith by definition is the embrace of a set of ideals. To do otherwise would indicate a lack of faith. If your god told you explicitly to kill anyone who isn't like you, but you didn't believe that was right, would you really be following your faith? The answer is no. According to the bible, 100% of christians today are not christians. Not one person in life follows the bible to the T.
boburanus69 3 years ago
Just be grateful for what you do have.........
susanBhappy 3 years ago
tooltime9901 So what exactly is your view? You are open to hearing what people think and that's great - but what do you really think?
ssjjaja 3 years ago
I am a spiritual person not a religios person.
I can belive in my God anyway I wish and the closest way to God is through your own spirit not some book or church.
susanBhappy 3 years ago
Imaginary friends are nice :) very comforting.
Munkatten 3 years ago
What imaginary friend, if you want to see god look in the mirrior.
susanBhappy 3 years ago
I can only see me, and I'm not a god in any way. I think you've got me confused with someone else ;).
Munkatten 3 years ago
ha yeah maybe he sees himself
seniorspedo 3 years ago
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Have fun in life, with your insecure attitude :O The point is that you have done something that is wrong, have you ever stolen something, lied, looked upon woman with lust, or disobeyed your parents? Have you ever coveted, have you ever swore? Well then your scheduled for hell unless you admit that you have done something is wrong, asked jesus for forgiveness, and turned away from sin. But if you want evidence, look into the bible, it is an historical account by the way.
no traditions
berserker1223 3 years ago
Did you swallow that technique from 'way of the master'? To condemn someone for small-scale moral infringments demands a moral perfectionism that reflects your insecurity, not mine. Keep your sanitised nature-fearing philosophy Christian, and watch yourself become more and more obsolete.
lonerook860 3 years ago 3
"looked upon woman with lust"
And that, my friends, is a sin! One of the many reasons why I'm not a God botherer.
ScarranHalfBreed 3 years ago
Korntwist's such an asshole.
5sixVII 3 years ago 2
what is a atheist?
korntwistlive 3 years ago
atheism is freedom we dont have a god nor do we believe in any.
schultzee101 3 years ago
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oooo thats bad....i would never be atheist
korntwistlive 3 years ago
yeah! Its definitely not for every one
schultzee101 3 years ago 2
Kornwistlive, you ARE an atheist! You don't believe in Avellenau, or worship the Rainbow Serpent, do you? Nor do you place your trust in the thousands of other deities invented by frail and fallible human beings over the millennia. That makes you an atheist, my friend. I'm an atheist who just happens to believe in fewer gods than you do.
coralarch 3 years ago
fewer? there is just one god...one true god thats it.
korntwistlive 3 years ago
Kprntwistlive, If you ever bother to read the Bible, you will note that Yahweh was always on the warpath against other gods. If they didn't exist, why was he so jealous and angry about their worship? Why did he make a commandment about having no gods "BEFORE" him? Think about it.
coralarch 3 years ago 2
because people make up the gods...its not that the gods dont exist. is because there are many made up gods. and he wants us to believe in the true one not man made god. but the true god himself.
korntwistlive 3 years ago
"because people make up the gods..."
Couldn't say it better myself.
anonbehell 3 years ago
I think that is unfortunate that your only interactions with Christians have turned out this way. I am a christian and the only piece of advise that I could give you is that there are Christians out there that don't like the way those Christians do things.
tiffanygf88 3 years ago
Indoctrination into believing in a sky-daddy from day one of life, certainly makes it difficult for the indoctrinated to see any other way of thinking. That is why Prof. Dawkins, and many others, consider it child abuse to force the parents' religious views on the child. This is, in my opinion, why it is so difficult for them to listen to evidence. As a bio teacher, I see it everyday in class. They close their ears and minds to the evidence because it conflicts.
saxmanchiro 3 years ago 2
Well if atheists think it's a waste of time, then you shouldn't really talk to us about religion..just seems fair that way.
Agila1 3 years ago
Jesus said unless the Father draw them to me they can not be my disciples. Until that day, you will never believe. I don't care if you believe. If you are destined to believe then you will. If not so be it. Christianity is an exclusive club. Strait and narrow, remember.
wonderinggrizzly 3 years ago
You are looking at "people" .... only God can give you answers. The Creator is Spirit, not man, and all that are brought to Him are brought by the Holy Spirit and they then KNOW God. A contrite and humble spirit He will not cast out. He is God, we are the Created. Call on Jesus, when you really want the truth and He will be there to forgive you and wash your spirit and it is wonderful.
qswfeh2121 3 years ago
I'm sorry, was it not "people" who wrote the story of the bible?
ashleestarzec 3 years ago
People wrote it down, but it was divinely orchestrated. Think about it- there are 66 different ancient manuscripts of history, poetry, songs, and prophesy collected over a span of 1500 years- with 40 different writers (who didn't have a big meeting together to decide what to write about) that tell ONE single and amazing story. God showed himself to people and then the people wrote it down- it would be like me blogging about my day or recording the minutes of a speech or meeting.
tiffanygf88 3 years ago
2 1/2 minutes of truth and common sense! Thanks a lot! :)
ashleestarzec 3 years ago 2
What make this the truth.
hmkenty 3 years ago
you sure know a whole lot of big words, unfortunately they don't make you seem any smarter. i'll be praying for you. sorry if that makes you hate me.
kingcrimson234 3 years ago
I don't hate you. What bothers me about you is your condescension, followed by a glib remark about praying for me.
tooltime9901 3 years ago
wow. good job making a perfect illustration of the kind of person he was referencing.
could you possibly be more insulting than you tried to be right there? that was as rude, condescending, and calculated a remark as i've seen or heard in a while.
ATL45 3 years ago
King Crimson Rocks! haha, and some of the smartest most critical minded people I have ever known personally are Christians, and then there are individuals like mr C.S Lewis. There are just as many noodle-headed atheists and there are noodle-headed beleivers.
Fretboarder7 3 years ago
man, please be careful of what you say on these things- nobody can tell the tone, so choose your words wisely.
But I do hope that you are praying for tooltime9901, just not in the self-righteous way you came off.
tiffanygf88 3 years ago
@kingcrimson234 @tooltime9901 Yeah I dont want to be preyed for either tooltime. I dont mind christians so much until they start to condescend people, then it quickly turns to hate. Your a good guy tooltime so i will say it for you. Kingcrimson234, you are a fucktard, prey for yourself you douche.
bakkerrich1979 1 year ago
@bakkerrich1979 heh. you're right. sorry. you're obviously brilliant and don't need my help. and professing themselves as wise, they became as fools. fucktard.
kingcrimson234 1 year ago
@kingcrimson234 if you think the words he uses are big words, then you certianly havent had any experience with a mentally challenging and specialized carrear. Try countering intellectual content in videos with intelligent and educated comments... if you're capable of it.
BlackMetalWarewolf 1 year ago
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dude i can smell ur fucking stinking breath from behind my moniter!!!!!!!!
pologeo16 4 years ago
I agree. I notice the pattern that many do not want to not feel all saved and protected. Its psychology. To them , ignorance is bliss. They don't want to enter the "Matrix" It scares the shit out of them because they've been brainwashed so. They're mislead to think Atheists are the moral scum of the earth. Which is hate propaganda in my opinion.
linespermillimeter 4 years ago 2
I agree. To a lot of them, even contemplating the idea that there might not be a god is blasphemy of temptation of Satan. They get you coming and going as far as the fear factor goes. I plan to make a video some day soon about how Christianity tries to get you to view the world.
tooltime9901 4 years ago
Animalfan27 -
"Really, Everyone Believes that to an extent. I'll summarize with 3 categories possibility, probability and hope. I consider hope to be a logical pursuit because we all need it to function. Bye."
Too much of a good thing can be a bad thing.
killarai 4 years ago
VFX is suspended!!
Praise JC!
MikkalaTube 4 years ago 4
indeed.
tooltime9901 4 years ago
nice vid man, have a gander at my vids, im sayin the same sorts of things
GTModified 4 years ago
christian's have shown you evidence you just pass the bible off as a fairy tale ...so well ,we can only pray for you, maybe one day you'll open your eyes
crazynoah 4 years ago
I am sorry, but I never said the Bible was a fairy tale. I may have called it a myth, but that is because IT IS A MYTH, regardless of whether it is true or not.
tooltime9901 4 years ago
Really, Everyone Believes that to an extent. I'll summarize with 3 categories possibility, probability and hope. I consider hope to be a logical pursuit because we all need it to function. Bye.
animalfan27 4 years ago
I understand your viewpoint. I am a former agnostic myself. I do study other view points and find them very interesting. Still I have a confidence in the evidences I have studied because they give an explanation. I don't believe in magic. I beleive there are things we just don't know.
animalfan27 4 years ago
what evidance you have studied?
tooltime9901 4 years ago
comparative religion, quantum theory, biblical prophecy, Steven Hawking's theories on time and the universe. Brain studies on Christians revealed a "god spot" in the mind. My own personal experiment with the Christian god. I didn't know there was such a thing as a "spirit" in Christianity. Scared the crap out of me. I felt god come into my body. It was strange but pleasant.
animalfan27 4 years ago
What exactly to you think comparative religion and quantum theory and Steven Hawking's theories on time and the universe prove? Sorry, but brain scans show no such thing. Billions have claimed vivid personal experiences with Shiva, Krishna, Buddha, Allah, The Universal Mind, you name it. It proves that A) those people had profound experiences, and B) they interpreted them in a way they understood.
tooltime9901 4 years ago
I was refering to a study on nuns performed by an atheist. He was trying to prove them crazy, but that's beside the point. It' true that there's no particular part of the brain in the litteral sence, But they had strange brain activity when they were praying. It's a pop psychology classic. I was hoping you'd recognize the key word God spot and look it up.
animalfan27 4 years ago
I never used the word Proof. The theories I refer to are generally argued for the possibility of a personal god. I don't doubt those people had an experience with god. I found the bible to be the only religious book to claims god lives inside man the way I described. That and I was praying to Christ for the first time when it happened. I can only go on what mankind has to work with. Peace.
animalfan27 4 years ago
None of those theories argue there is a personal god. I find it very strange that you think people prayed to other gods and got yours instead. The bible may be the "only book" but the idea is by NO means exclusive to Christianity.
tooltime9901 4 years ago
The theory of general relativity suggests time and space had a beginning. That the universe wasn't always there. Something happened. If we knew what there wouldn't be anything to discuss. This dousn't prove a higher power, but it makes it as good an idea as any. These theories of other dimensions and universes makes all kinds of things possible. If people can believe in life on other planets why not dimensions?
animalfan27 4 years ago
when you use quantum phsyics with the big bang model you get something rather interesting
nailo1 4 years ago
they found almost identical brain activity in Buddhist munks as well. you are "Doing something" in a neurological sense when you pray, so why should it be any suprise that there is brain activity as a result?
tooltime9901 4 years ago
dmt...when you die and are near death it is released in a large amount nearly 3x greater then when you sleep. People who have smoked it have said they met god Buddha ect ect
Pooper0101 4 years ago
I read a book on the subject, it was quite interesting.
tooltime9901 4 years ago
"I felt god come into my body. It was strange but pleasant."
That just sounds awful!
exo0O 4 years ago 2
exo0O. That's not what I meant and you know it.
animalfan27 4 years ago
Just aswell as you know what I meant. I meant it in both meanings btw.
exo0O 4 years ago
The problem with trying to debate Christianity is that debate requires logic, Christianity does not.
That's it.
kumakouji 4 years ago
But, but, but...don't you know...all that scientific evidence was all planted by satan! ;)
fizzybgood 4 years ago 2
Damn Right!
tooltime9901 4 years ago
Haha! I've actually heard people say that, Nervous pauses and all!
FlaviusAetiusII 4 years ago
Many Christians do expect you to believe without scrutinizing or examining the evidence. It is referred to as "blind faith" or in some instances a "leap of faith." I have had more than one priest in my Catholic school upbringing tell me this. This is one of the fatal flaws as far as I'm concerned. If their faith is in fact truth, then there would be room for "blind faith" but it should additionally hold up to the scrutiny of closer critical examination.
NorCalCorsello 4 years ago 2
"Faith is the antithesis of proof." So for someone to believe based on evidence, then they have no faith. The xtian doctrines are all based on faith and reject proof. Faith is seen as a virtue instead of the willful stupidity and delusion that it really is. Many examples of this basic tenet can be found in the new testament such as jesus saying that you have to become like a small child (ignorant, gullible), when jesus chides his disciples as being of little faith, etc.
klangsteiner 4 years ago
He also apparently expected most of the people in his own time to accept the idea that he was resurrected from the dead on faith. Note the fact that the only people who claimed to see Jesus alive after the crucifixion were his zealot followers. Why did he not simply show up at the Temple and cause a mass conversion?
tooltime9901 4 years ago
Exactly tooltime, "faith" does not need to be universal. Those who examine evidence don't need faith. Those who don't care enough to find out could still have faith in their religion. To say that evidence is bad because we then can't have faith is ridiculous. A god that requires faith does so why? As some sort of strange hazing, or test? Is that a kind and caring god?
NorCalCorsello 4 years ago
I think you are correct. If there was a god, and worshiping him was something he required of all people, then it makes very little sense that he would leave such much to faith. One would think that he would want to make it transparently clear to everyone that he existed.
tooltime9901 4 years ago
"One would think that he [God] would want to make it transparently clear to everyone that he existed.
Many Christians claim He does, the evidence is undeniable, right in front of your nose. They then proceed to describe the beauties of nature, proclaim personal certainty, use "logic" (cause and effect usually), and of course, wrap it up with the consequences for disbelief. You will be asked to prove them wrong.
Edella 4 years ago
I would tell such hypothetical Christian that the apparent beauty of nature proves nothing, point out that billions of people claim personal certainty in other gods, and then debunk the allegedly dire consequences that follow from disbelief.
tooltime9901 4 years ago
One of my favorite ewetubians "desertphile" wonderfully describes the essence of these generic creator arguments: "Sometime, somewhere, something did something."
Edella 4 years ago
"whenever counter evidence is presented"
Can you give me an example of some counter evidence? I can see you might give some evidence about the Bible, but not all Christians believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. I mean some counter evidence that God exists.
BattleshipTx 4 years ago
A more accurate way of saying it would have been to say when their arguments are debunked. You are correct to point out that it is hard to give evidence that something does not exist. For example, I can think of very little, or perhaps no evidence that aliens don't exist, and yet I do not believe they have been proven to exist either. Many thinks that are religious have alternative explanations. It all depends on what we are calling evidence.
tooltime9901 4 years ago
They key is that its not enough for just them to believe. Nope. They need for you to believe as well so that it reinforces that which they know in there heart is irrational. Once one takes the leap of faith it must be done over and over again because ... one isn't really 100% convinced. They need support and reinforcement of the idea. Rational people tear their ideas apart just cuz they can, but not the pious.
whackaDacka 4 years ago 3
I realise now that trying to talk to christians is like talking to a blank wall, especially with equalsexes, we need to focus on our future children and help prevent them being brainwashed
velocityeleven 4 years ago 3
I think those who critizise JF for bothering with atheists are deeply concerned that christian viewers watch the reply and may grow that seed of doubt from all these discussions. Why else would they mind?
Censeo 4 years ago 2
very interesting views
alamo11 4 years ago
Spot on Tooltime. It seems to me many of the faithful contend that only through belief in a (the) higher power can one acquire "true" knowledge. In short, knowledge of anything meaningful is a gift granted to those who first surrender the notion that it can ascertained in any other way. Believe first THEN question. But never question your core belief.
Edella 4 years ago 3
Actually, before I saw Jf's video and made a response I was going to make a video reply to 2 videos by veritas48 called "knowing God exists" where he tries to argue exactly what you are saying, IE that only the 'holy spirit' can repair the cognitive damage brought by 'sin'.
tooltime9901 4 years ago
Absolutely. I don't think we'll see any fair play, and openness to argument of this kind, from jezuzfreek. But as he indicates in his vid, there are many more people who watch these vids than there are people who respond and comment on them. And among those will occasionally be people who are prepared to critically examine their beliefs.
bitbutter 4 years ago 2