Dear Flaws The other religions don't teach world peace. It does come about one person at a time, and your actions on this and other sites like it are a reflection of your own beliefs and that is to do as much damage to this Faith as possible.
Meditate on this for a while and see where this ridicule, hatred and intolerance of the beliefs of others is leading you.
The "most great peace," according to the better religions like Hinduism, Yoga, and Buddhism has to come to the individual, even in the form of samadhi, before peace will then manifest in the exterior world. (The same religions teach that the exterior world is a projection of one's own body.). People don't want "peace," anyway. They want pleasure, positive change, excitement, thrills, prosperity, and bliss. Baha'is included.
Bible is also one of Moslim's holy book...this is stated in the Qoran but Moslims today became very fundamental and ignor most of it except the verses that serves them right.....you must us it as reference and respect it too then Baha'i picture will be more clear to you....We are all investigating and a lot of times Muslims, like nationalist says others are wrong right awaay...Mohammad even encourages people to investigate and protect people of different faiths... and you are doing the opposite!
Alhamdulillah! there are few of Bahaullah's prophesies that not even did they come ture but as time goes by it proves it all wrong. and there is one Prophesey of Prophet Muhhammad (peace be upon him) in this Vidoe and Bahaullah himself (claiming to be a prophet) is a prove of the prophesy made centuries ago! Subhanallah!
"Do you love your creator? Love your fellow-beings first." "Those who are merciful have mercy shown them by the Compassionate One, if you show mercy to those who are in the earth, He Who is in heaven will show mercy to you." Said Prophet Muhhammad (peace be upon him)
BAHAULLAH LEADS THE PEOPLE STRAIGHT TO HELL WAKE UP BAHAIS I AM A FORMER BAHAI THE QURAN HAS SCIENTIFIC PROOFS THE KITAB AGHDAS NOT AND BAHAIS MAKE OFTEN SHIRK THAT IS NOT MENTION IN THE BAHAI FAITH
Bahá'u'lláh does not threaten Muhammad's status as the "Seal of the Prophets". Instead, Bahá'u'lláh is the man of God who started the new era, the initiator of the new world order, which earlier manifestations of God (including Jesus and Muhammad) has revealed. Bahá'u'lláh's son, 'Abdu'l-Bahá, has never claimed or been given prophet status. All statements about the future that came from 'Abdu'l-Bahá, is a positive and honorable mans hopes of soon reduced suffering for humanity.
@ MrOaet.. the Bahai faith is doggy itself.. we dont need to find any way of proving it! why dont u looke outside of sqaure and study other religions a little. from thier own sources NOT what u r told by ur leaders. ofcourse ur leaders will deny all religions just to prove the truthness (which is absents from the faith) of Bahai faith
Baha'u'lah is th son of man, even christ talks about him. anyways all religions are the same, but people like you always find some way of dogging other religions, do ur homework, learn from a bahais point of view and u will know that posting this vid was wrong.
whether or not baha'u'llah is or is not a manifestation of god, i don't know, but this video is full of false information, and thats a fact. if you're interested in refuting any religion, educate yourself from the inside out and get a 3 dimensional picture. this guy did not do his homework.
@AJatheistgod and if God doesn't exist, which i saw you post earlier, and I can screenshot it if you deny it, then therefore bahaullah isn't God, and by him claiming to be God and claiming to be Christ means that he's a liar and a false prophet, which like i said to the other gentleman I was talking to, the bible reveals him to be a false prophet. Your argument has literally nothing to do with the topic at hand, you look stupid.
@AJatheistgod yeah of course you remove both of your posts. well bahaullah never claimed to be God as i told you before, you're just an obvious troll trying to get me angry. I'll be the bigger man and end the conversation since you obviously have no knowledge of any religion.
@Jetman082 Dear friend, i removed the posts when I saw your videos in your channel. You are a young boy, go back to playing your XBOX and PLAYSTATION. I don't want to engage in a conversation with you. The Baha'is are severely persecuted in all Muslim countries. Baha'u'llah claims to be Sender of all religions and Books, and the Creator of all creation
@AJatheistgod What he claims and what is fact is different. If the bible doesn't predict bahaullah, then therefor you can't use the bible like you people try to use to justify him. I'm a young boy, yet I've studied more religions in my time here then you've studied.
@Jetman082 Dear friend, I didn't mean to offend you by saying you are young. I will take your word that you have studied many religions. If you would like to know more about the Baha'i writings, let me know, I am versed in the original languages of Arabic and Persian. What Baha'u'llah claims is clear, and in my opinion his claims are true. You are free to disagree that's fine. A good place to start (and even end) is bahai(dt)org
@AJatheistgod I've studied the bahai faith, and honestly i was offended when i read some of the things. you're free to believe what you want, but ill show you something that showed me bahaullah isn't who he says he is.
It is clear to all that Christ came from heaven, although apparently He came from the womb of Mary. At the first coming He came from heaven, though apparently from the womb; in the same way, also, at His second coming He will come from heaven, though apparently from the womb.
@AJatheistgod What I just posted was what abdulbaha said in some answered questions. It is incorrect what he said about Jesus coming from the womb a second time. It is stated in the bible that Jesus will return in the air, not from the womb. Therefor, bahaullah can't be the return of Christ, since Christ won't be coming from the womb, and bahaullah came from the womb obviously. There wasn't a need for another prophet after Jesus. Jesus fulfilled what needed to be fulfilled.
@Jetman082 The Baha'i belief is that Jesus came down from heaven the first time. This definition of heaven is the womb of Mary. Baha'is do not believe that heaven is up in the sky. So with the coming of the Father (Baha'u'llah) and the Son (the Bab), both came down from heaven (i.e. the womb's of their mothers). Baha'is do not believe in physical resurrection.
@AJatheistgod Also, if you don't believe in a heaven, that means you don't believe in God, and if you don't believe in God, therefore you don't believe in any prophets that claim there to be a God, which even though there are false prophets they all say there's a supreme being. If what you say about your bahai religion is accurate, it's the most flawed and rediculous excuse for a religion i've ever heard of.
@Jetman082 Dear friend, Baha'is don't believe Heaven is up in the sky. Baha'is are post-modernists and we believe in science very similar to secularists and atheists/humanists. The Baha'is believe that heaven is real but it is beyond human understanding because it is not physical and not confined within the space-time framework of space in any of the dimensions (if you accept string theory). The spiritual worlds of "God" are outside of even the dimensions of the multiverse
The Baha'i Faith is not like the religions you see in the world, because all these religions are corrupted by the limited and unscientific beliefs and understandings of the religionists clergy, spiritual leaders, and literalists. The Baha'i Faith is that Original Faith that mankind had the moment the human mind evolved enough to understand its surrounds. Baha'is do not believe in the creation story or the story of Adam and Eve. Those were all symbolic stories and myths of the people.
The "God" that the religions talked about, the Father of Christianity, the Jehovah of the Jews, the Allah of the Qur'an, all these are reference to the Most Great Spirit manifest in Baha'u'llah. Cognitive Scientists, evolutionary biologists, astrophysics, scientific theoreticians all agree that "the God" that the religionists believe in is nothing more than a fantasy character that was created by mankind when human society and learning was in its infancy before the advent of the Baha'i Faith
@AJatheistgod Actually any scientist that says God isn't real with 100% certainty is making a claim they can't back up. I know many scientists and they all say they can't prove one way or the other if God exists. If God doesn't exist then therefor you call bahaullah a false prophet, since he says that there is a God. Unfortunately for you and for your faith the science doesn't mix with the religion. true science and religion go hand in hand, but there are always holes. I'm finished debating it.
@Jetman082 No, Baha'u'llah never says there is a God separate from Himself. He says God is inseparable from Himself. The scientists can't prove a negative, no. Scientists also cannot prove that there isn't a teapot flying around in orbit, and scientists cannot prove that there isn't a pink unicorn, and scientists cannot prove that there isn't a flying spaghetti monster that created the universe. You read some books, you are very young. Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are good places to start
@AJatheistgod So why are you saying bahaullah is inseperable from God if you just said earlier God doesn't exist. My whole point is the side of your debate is filled with holes. first you say there's no God, then you say bahaullah is inseperable from God. Now I have a problem with bahaullah saying he is inseperable from God. How can he say whether or not he is if according to you bahais God is unknowable, which in the bible it states God wants to be known... So ignorant you are.
@Jetman082 Since Baha'u'llah and God are inseparable, God doesn't exist as an independent reality. So if you reject Baha'u'llah you are rejecting the Only God. There are not two Gods. If you imagine a God separate from God, you are worshipping your own imagination who is no more real than a spaghetti monster. When Baha'is say God is unknowable, it is a veiled way of saying that God is inseparable from Baha'ullah and doesn't exist outside of Baha'u'llah.
@AJatheistgod No, don't try and change your story. you said that God doesn't exist, now you're changing your story again. Bahullah and God are not one being, if you Go by the Bible only Jesus is equal to God, and on many occasions people tried to kill Jesus for saying that. No other being is on the same level as God. You know what though, feel free to believe whatever you want. your mind was made up before I even talked to you. You're not open-minded at all. I'm done trying to debate.
@Jetman082 I agree to end this discussion dear friend. Please review what I wrote, all of it, again. I did not contradict myself at all. Baha'u'llah is the promised Father that Jesus spoke about in Matthew 27:46. May you be guided.
@AJatheistgod last thing I'll say. bahaullah isn't Jesus' father, God is. You did but i honestly don't care. I tried to lead you in the right direction and you spat in my face by ignoring.
@Jetman082 You said "i honestly don't care". Thus ends our discussion. I didn't ignore anything you said, but you don't care what I say. I said fine, your Jesus is true, but Baha'u'llah is His Father. You don't listen to anything I say, you don't even care.
@AJatheistgod I did care until I saw you were unwilling to see the other side. Bahaullah never claimed to be his father.. ever.. He claimed to be the 2nd coming of christ, so how can he be his father. And also, him claiming to be the second coming of christ i've already proven wrong to bahairules, you can read through the tons of scriptures I gave him showing him what he says is false.
@Jetman082 Bahaullah states He is the Father of Christ many times. He even said it in the Tablet to the Pope. "Lo! The Father is come, and that which ye were promised in the Kingdom is fulfilled!" - Baha'u'llah
@AJatheistgod What he says and what is stated in the bible are 2 different things. The bible says to watch out for a false prophet, and obviously one fooled you. do you really believe the pope actually believed him? if he believed him he would've made bahaullah the leader of the catholic church. obviously he didn't. bahais also claim that bahaullah is the spirit of truth, which he isn't and i can prove it. Just because someone says something, that doesn't make it true son.
@AJatheistgod I could say I was God right now, but that wouldn't make it true. You people believe whatever gets you into heaven, abha paradise, w/e you want to call it. liek i said stop talking to me, im done arguing with a close-minded ignorant man.
@Jetman082 Thank you for your honesty and your kindness (except for calling me an ignorant man). I think you are a smart person. I actually like you a lot from this brief exchange. Hopefully we will meet again. With love, AJ.
John 10:29 : My father which gave them unto me is greater than all;
these two verses state that they are on two entirely different levels and that God is greater that Jesus and Jesus is not God. I have extensive knowledge of the bible too and i didnt take 17 years
@AJatheistgod Actually if you did any research at all, you would know that supposedly the angel Gabriel told Muhammad what to write, and also that muhammad couldn't tell the difference between a demon or an angel.
@AJatheistgod Again wrong, bahaullah never claimed to be God, and that further proves that you have never bothered to study the religion or any other religion for that matter. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. Bahullah isn't the word, Jesus is the word, that verse refers to Jesus. Btw, it was God himself who appeared to Moses in the burning bush. Don't refer to the bible when you bahais discredit it in the first place.....
By that if muhammad himself is a false prophet then wouldn't that make bahuallah a false prophet? Not to mention the misinterpretations that were presented by adbu'l baha. You can't be a prophet and present false information.
Also adbu'l baha says in some answered questions, "At the 1st coming he came from heaven though apparently from the womb, in the same way also, at his 2nd coming, he will come from heaven though apparently from the womb". It's made very clear that Jesus will come in the same way he returned, in the air. That's just another hint that these prophets have no idea what they're talking about, and out of ignorance make mistakes such as that.
@Jetman082 LOL please copy the exact passege and past it to the comment and give a link to where you got this information which is either false or misinterpeted, and i will help clear the confusion
@BAHAIRULES Alright if you want to question your own prophet I'll gladly show you a misinterpreted message.
"At the 1st coming he came from heaven though apparently from the womb, in the same way also, at his 2nd coming, he will come from heaven though apparently from the womb".(Abdul baha, some answere questions, pg 127)" Enjoy.
@Jetman082 It is clear to all that Christ came from heaven, although apparently He came from the womb of Mary. At the first coming He came from heaven, though apparently from the womb; in the same way,also,at His second coming He will come from heaven, though apparently from the womb. The conditions that are indicated in the Gospel for the second coming of Christ are the same as those that were mentioned for the first coming, as we said before.
@BAHAIRULES Here you go, I'll show you what it says in the Bible. " Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him". This message is to be taken literally, not symbolically. what have you to say to me now? If you agree that it is to be taken literally, then you accept your prophet is false, if you deny this passage, then you deny part of the Bible, which means you can't take any messages from it.
@BAHAIRULES which would of course mean you can't try to use any messages from it to prove your "prophet" is the 2nd coming of Christ. You bahais say you're supposed to learn about all religions, but how is it someone like myself who was only a bahai for 2 months knows more about every other religion than someone like you who has been a bahai for probably God knows how long. You people don't study any other religions, and you also accept homosexual, which is said by your prophet bahaullah.
@BAHAIRULES to be an abomination to be gay, so again you corrupt your own religion by twisting words around to try and get more people to join your religion. anything else you would like to try to say to me, or do you finally understand how your religion is based on nothing but lies and deceit, scriptures taken and put together which don't belong together.
@BAHAIRULES ACtually no it wasn't misinterpreted by me. why don't you crack open some answered questions and go over to it yourself. I own several bahai books, which include of course some answered questions, kitab i aqdas, and the kitab i iqan. Believe me, I've done my fair share of research on this religion, and it's easily proven to be a religion with a false prophet. I completely just destroyed your argument, and you fall back on trying to say I misinterpreted what was in your book.
@BAHAIRULES also, if you wish to add my msn (jetstyler@hotmail), we can continue this discussion where you won't be able to ignore the stuff i say to you. I already pointed out to you twice that Jesus is not coming from the womb a second time, and went ahead and posted the scripture that says so, but out of shear desperateness you ignore it.
@BAHAIRULES I like how you just ingored what it was I posted. " Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him". THAT MEANS HE WILL NOT COME FROM THE WOMB AGAIN. get it better that time?
@BAHAIRULES Revelation 1:7, and here's another from 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.
"For the Lord Himself will descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air."
@Jetman082 you do know that the bible was never supposed to be taken literally at all? when Jesus says at any time that he came from god it is beacuse he was the manifestation of God, all messangers came from God and were the manifestations of god now there is clear evidence that Jesus is not the son of God, nor is he god(yes a son of god but not in the sense that he is the begotten son) here do not respond as i have to give the evidence once i am done to avoid confusion i will tell you.
@BAHAIRULES So by you saying you can't take it literally then you deny that the bible prophesied bahaullah as the spirit of truth? btw not all prophets were manifestations, only Jesus was. moses was a normal man, used by God to take the jews to the promised land. for bahaullah to be a manifestation of God he would have to be sinless, like Jesus, that's why there was the virgin birth, to prove his sinlessness. so let me guess Jesus went from being sinless to sinful by being bahaullah?
@BAHAIRULES yeah you rephrase only what you want in order to try and prove your prophet is true. The fact of the matter is you will always say that the parts that prove bahaullah is a false prophet aren't literal, and the parts that you think prove him are literal. the fact of the matter is bahaullah was never the spirit of truth, the spirit of truth is the Holy Spirit, promised to the desciples and came to them on the day of pentecost when they spake in tongues.
@Jetman082 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 (NIV) "for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief."
@Jetman082 For Jesus Christ to return only during the nighttime would be impossible, as there is concurrently daytime and nighttime simultaneously on the earth. The Holy Scripture states that Jesus Christ's Second Coming will be an unexpected and sudden "surprise," "like a thief" is a surprise. This is one of the passages in the bible which shows that Baha'u'llah is Jesus or fits into the catagorie of mostlikely.
@BAHAIRULES But as we both saw it said Jesus isn't coming from the womb like bahaullah, who was born of man and woman, Jesus was conceived through the holy spirit in mary. that removes his ability to be the 2nd coming of Christ. also, read this passage, if i remember correctly bahais take the death of Jesus as him being just a martyr and having no significance. (will be in my next comment)
@Jetman082 Yes however Jesus did come from the womb he was BORN through virgin Mary's WOMB thus this is negated beacuse he was in fact born from the Womb of virgin mary. there is no evidence that points to the fact that the second coming has to be born through a virgin nor that the holy spirit needs to be involved.
@BAHAIRULES John 3:16 (King James Version) 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
If you believe not on Jesus you can't go to heaven. Sin cannot enter into the kingdom of God, and Jesus was sent as the middleman between God and man. In my next comment I'll give you a scripture that justifies what I say.
@BAHAIRULES Isaiah 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. he wasn't just some martyr. without Christ one cannot enter into the kingdom of God. By recognizing Christ as the only begotten son of God, and that he died so we may enter into Heaven, we are able to be forgiven of our sins.
@Jetman082 Malachi 3:1 (NIV) "See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty. Now this is more interesting for it shows/proves the coming of the BaB (the gateway in persian) who completely and utterly preached of Baha'u'llah's coming he is also founder of the Babbie religon.
@BAHAIRULES That proves nothing because it's not even talking about the bab. as i said you chose only what scripture you wanted to choose, I can easily pop open my Bible,flip to malachi, and read the sentences following that, and prove it wasn't talking about the bab. Besides, why would it be if you believe the supposed prophet muhammad, who said it was okay to lie for justice, came first? (btw he also wrote the satanic verses. He couldn't tell the difference between good and evil).
@Jetman082 Beacuse he himself told the world that he was a prophet however said that he was not the second coming of Christ ask any Muslim and they will tell you that Muhammad is not the second coming nor is he the gateway the Bab literally means the gateway and if you would be so kind as to prove to me that it wasnt talking about the Bab
@BAHAIRULES well factor in the bab didn't come about until roughly 1800-2000 years after, why would it be? and it's the Bible, all throughout the bible it talks about the messiah (the promised one), which was fulfilled by Jesus coming and dying on Calvary (also known as golgotha). so how about you provide some hard evidence where it talks about the bab and bahaullah? I already proved that bahaullah wasn't the spirit of truth because the holy spirit is the spirit of truth.
@BAHAIRULES And like I already said, bahaullah isn't the 2nd coming of christ because as ive shown you the passages christ will come again in the air, not the sky. that's 1 lie he makes, and a prophet can't lie and be a true prophet now can he? also, i like how bahaullah came in his own name rather than in the name of God, then promoted his son to a prophet, and abdu'l baha promoted shoggi effendi to the next leader, who the made the hands of the cause, who then did nothing in the name of God.
@BAHAIRULES everything done by your so called prophets were done in their own name, rather than in Gods name. so just remember that. oh and also, how could he be a manifestation of God and the supposed greatest prophet, when Jesus himself said no prophet had come about that was Greater than John the Baptist? Jesus didn't count himself because he was God in the flesh. here's a scripture that hints that Jesus is the final prophet, it will be in this next comment.
@BAHAIRULES Heb. 1: 1-2 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, ..." it says hath in these last days spoken to us by his son. If you deny Christ you deny God. add my msn (jetstyler@hotmaildotcom), and ill give you even more scriptures showing he's the final prophet. there was no need for further prophets after jesus, because he fulfilled them at calvary.
@Jetman082 No he hasn't no Prophet ever has and ever will the only way that a perfect book or prophet will come is if his word is identifiable as God's amongst all people, and proof that God exists.
For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
I think Jesus, the son of God, the lamb of God, the son of man knows what he's talking about.
@Jetman082 The regular Hebrew word for "messenger" is mal'akh, the Greek aggelos. This may be a human messenger or a messenger of God, an angel. The regular Hebrew word for "Prophet" is Na' bi. This defines that there is a difference between Messanger and Prophet. A PROPHET is someone who writes scripture, however do not bring a book, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.......
@Jetman082 A messanger is someone who does bring a book and is the Messanger of God, Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, Baha'u'llah. A prophet from Bahai faith would be both Shogi effendi and Abdu'l-baha. And if this were inncorrect i believe that Jesus would be contradicting himself for he speaks very high of Moses and the ten commandments, a MESSAGE that Moses brought from God.
@BAHAIRULES i never said he didn't speak very high of moses, in fact he saw moses and elijah on the mountain if i remember correctly. he never said moses was the greatest prophet, and abdu'l baha and shogi effendi aren't prophets. adbu'l baha was appointed by bahaullah, not by God.
@Jetman082 Here is a verse that states the second coming will be the son of man"The coming of Christ will be instantaneous and worldwide.For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the SON-OF-MAN be."Matthew 24:27. Bahai faith is the second most world wide established religon in the world, i have many more verses which point to the fact that Baha'u'llah is indeed the second coming of Christ......
@BAHAIRULES how many more times must I show you the passage where it says Christ will come in the air not the womb? your argument was completely destroyed about your prophits legitimacy when i showed that scripture to you. stop pulling stuff out of your ass, it's over.
@Jetman082 Christ came from the air as well as the womb, however I have just posted passages explaining the fact that Baha'u'llah is the SON OF MAN that was stated to be the second coming of Christ.I have also proved your passage to be incorrect as i have determined the difference between Prophet and a messanger. In addition this very verse would contardict itself if there was no variation,for Jesus was born from a woman and so there has to be a difference or else John is greater than Jesus.
@Jetman082 "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."Matthew 24:30.Baha'u'llah literally means Glory of God."No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Matthew 24:36. Baha'u'llah himself was a Babbie(follower of the BAB)and was awaiting the second coming untill God revealed it was him
@Jetman082 you have not provided any evidence as to why Baha'u'llah isn't the SON OF MAN and the SECOND COMING, but are merely stating your belifs. God's prophets were always sent directly by Him to deliver His message not their own "do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say; for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but The Spirit of your Father speaking through you."Matthew 10:19-20, Abdu'l-baha IS a prophet placed by GOD.
@BAHAIRULES ACtually twice now I have given you a scripture that says Jesus can not come from the womb. I see that my pastor was right, you can not talk to a person who has shut his mind off to possiblities.
@Jetman082 i am providing more evidence to my side of"possibilites" and have provided more statements and passeges that prove that Baha'u'llah is the second coming, that the second coming is the a SON OF MAN, and the fact that what you have stated proves nothing thus my side of Possibilites is making alot more sense and so i am opening my mind to the one that makes more sense and has more proof behind it.I am not here to tell you what you believe is wrong i am stateing that there is more to it.
@BAHAIRULES here's where i say for the 4th time, add my msn (jetstyler@hotmaildotcom), and ill give you all the passages you've refused to see. you've given me 3 passages so far, ive given you about 8, but you refuse to read them. I think ill be the bigger man and go ahead and say I'm finished arguing with an egotistical undereducated child who refuses to admit when he's been beaten in a debate.
@Jetman082 how very Christian of you to lose your temper and insult me. As i respect the fact that you do not wish to be seen made a fool of in front of the public.
@Jetman082 Hello friend question, the jews were waiting for thousands of years for a Messiah to come down and relieve them from their troubles. The Messiah will come down with great glory and power and will carry a sword, come with a chariot riding upon the clouds, seat upon the throne of David with a great army.
Yet he was born of a womb,no sword, a carpenter and less than twenty followers.
The return of Jesus will be coming from the clouds aswell or will He return the same way via womb?
@stevenmasua No he will be coming from the clouds. It's stated in the bible Jesus shall not be born of woman a second time, there isn't a need anymore as he already accomplished what he set out to do on calvary.
@Jetman082 listen to what JESUS just said himself that he would come as the SON OF MAN that was how nearly everytime he reffered to his second coming.
@BAHAIRULES Daniel 7:13-14, “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven." Jesus never said he would come as the son of man, if you actually read the Bible you would know this. It's a metaphor, and as you can see in that passage, it says coming with the clouds of heaven. Need I again prove to you that It's stated in the bible that Jesus shall not come from the womb again?
@BAHAIRULES The only reason you're so offended is the fact that if Jesus comes from the air instead of the womb again, it means your prophet is a false prophet, as he claims to be the second coming of Jesus.
@BAHAIRULES Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
@BAHAIRULES Wanting to create a "New World Order" is not what a good person would do. It should be God that creates the new world order, not a man that calls himself "Glory of God". You want so badly to believe he's real that over the past 2 months of arguing you've ignored almost everything that I said, most of what I said being backed up by scriptures. You and people of your religion don't even truly study it, if you did then you would realize it's contrary to what the bible says.
@Jetman082 Luke 7:28 refers to prophets that have been born baha`u`llah had not been born yet. 1 Thess, 5:19-21, Matt 23:21, Matt 7:15-20, there 8 verses that tell that prophets are to come. For some reason you want to believe so badly that he isnt real that you have not realised that i have already given more verses than you have on proof that he is the second coming and SON OF MAN.
@BAHAIRULES where do you get your facts man, have you never picked up a real bible and read it? None of those passages mention anything about there being more prophets.
I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he."
That passage is Luke 7:28, and actually proves that bahaullah isn't a prophet. If he was, then he would be greater than John. I can do this all day man, I actually read the bible...
@Jetman082 wrong verses, alright starting with the most clear statement about prophets to come is in Matthew 23:34 it simply states that jesus is going to send prophets to come. Matthew 7:15-20 states that you are to judge prophets by the words and teachings they give now why would you need to judge a prophet if no more were to come? 1 John 4:1 states the same as the previous. there are actually a couple more
@BAHAIRULES Stop posting only bits and pieces that make what you say relevant. Like I said, why don't you pick up a real bible and read it instead of going on your bahai sites or talking with other bahais trying to prove me wrong. You bahais don't study the bible, so stop pretending to know it. Matthew 7:15-20 states how to tell a false prophet, again you prove you don't study the bible. 1 John 4:1 also states what to look for in a false prophet.
"For many will come in my name, saying,, "I am the Christ," and will deceive many.. At that time if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ!" or, "There he is!" do not believe it. (Matt. 24:5. 23)
There was only 1 Jesus, to say that bahaullah is the 2nd coming of Christ is to say that Christ went from being sinless to sinful. Jesus had a virgin birth to prove his sinlessness. He wasn't from the lineage of adam.
@Jetman082 Alright so im taking your scilence on my point earlier as acceptance. Next, regarding your passage from the book of Matthew if you read on down to verse 27 it says: For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth unto to west; so shall also the coming of the SON OF MAN be. once again it is stating that Jesus would come again as the Son of Man. Now in regards to having children, how is it a sin i do not understand, and who isnt from Adam this doesnt make sense.
@BAHAIRULES YOu never stated what chapter in matthew, and having children isn't a sin, but all those born from the lineage of adam are cursed with sin. Jesus isn't from adam because Jesus was conceived through mary by the holy spirit, therefor Jesus isn't from the lineage of adam. By the way, why don't you tell me the chapter and I'll again correct you.
@BAHAIRULES By the way, I never said Jesus wasn't referred to as the son of man. I read that scripture, and it said nothing about a second return.... Like i said you only pull what you can use from the bible. You better be careful pulling out bits and pieces of information to suite your needs, that's a dangerous thing to do. I suggest you actually read, and i mean pick up a bible and actually read every scripture before you try to debate with me. I've been a Christian for 17 years..
This is the full scripture that you ripped apart. It's too long so ill post it in 2 comments.
Then if any man shall say unto you,here is Christ, or there; believe it not.For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.Behold, I have told you before.
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Like I said, trying to tell me I'm wrong when I've been a Christian for 17 years is a bad idea. I've studied the bible far longer and more extensively than you have.
@Jetman082 Firstly you probably have a different type of bible than mine. Secondly regardless it still includes SON OF MAN meaning Jesus's second coming will be a MAN. Thirdly this verse also states that he will come fast and quick. Fourthly I know Muslims that know more than your pastor and probably every other christian you have met on the bible and have memorized the bible. 5, who isnt from adam? 6, is having children a sin?
@BAHAIRULES First I've already explained to you how Jesus isn't from adam, second my bible is the king james bible, third it never says he will come as the son of man twice, it says he will come in the air, fourth i would really love to talk to your muslim friends so i can prove you wrong. You've sunk so low as to completely ignore the thins ive said to you just so you can prove I'm wrong, which we both know im not. how does calling him the son of man mean he's coming the same way? it doesn't...
@BAHAIRULES I believe this debate is over, I just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that bahaullah can't be the return of christ, and all you said was "oh well ill just believe whatever I wan't to believe". Have a nice day friend, why don't you go discuss in a bahai meeting how a child just proved you and a whole legion of bahais wrong?
@Jetman082 LOL I have proven to you and to everyone viewing that Baha'u'llah can and is the second coming of Jesus Christ I have provided more verses from the bible stateing Jesus himself stateing that his second coming is the SON OF MAN. I have also provided verses as to how Baha'u'llah fulfills them and you may end it now and here but the ultimate truth is that i have more evidence and theories as to Baha'u'llah being the second coming. I have even coreccted you that Jesus is not god nor equal
@BAHAIRULES Wrong, I posted how your verses were wrong. I also posted how bahaullah can't be the second coming of christ, but your ignorant feeble mind can't accept the fact that i proved you wrong. now kindly stop messaging me, i have no desire to debate with an ignorant man who is unwilling to look at both sides of the debate. Why don't you pick up a bible and read it, find out yourself that bahaullah is a big false prophet. until you do that dont talk to me again child...
@Jetman082 if you are such a great christian i shouldnt have to correct you over and over again if you are so great, also think about what the name Christian means, it means follower of Christ and so if you read the bible then u will know that not once did he say i am God, not once did he say worship me, the thing he has said is that he will come again as the SON OF MAN so if we talk about who is more Christian then i guess i am beacuse i follow Jesus's direct words. u have lots 2 learn.
@BAHAIRULES You never corrected me, i spent my time correcting you, and for the last time, stop messaging me. You're acting like an ignorant fool who can't look at both sides of the story. I proved my point, you proved nothing. you simply state what you want to believe, i state what is said in the bible. you twist the scriptures to fit what you want, i take them like they're supposed to be taken. do not message me again until you learn how to read the bible properly.
@BAHAIRULES a question, if Bahuallah was the second coming of prophet Jesus (which he was NOT) why did come for ?? to die again doing nothing good for the nation? there is a purpose of prophet Jesus's return and that is to invite people to worshipping God etc,but what bahullah or Bab did was to claim that he is the GOD.a god who is dead!? without chainging the world to the better.. Please first prove that bahaullah or bab was a prophet then brings us proves from our own books!!!
@MarMirWar Baha'u'llah never claimed that he was or is God and talks about how Jesus was not the son of God nor God himself. The Bahai faith is the second most widespread religion in the world accepting people from many cultural backgrounds; is one of the only religions of the world that speaks out against racial profiling. He set a UHJ, he taught people to love one another and reafirmed Jesus, Muhammad, Krishna, Buddha, Moses, and brought peace between nearly 4 million ppl of different religion
@MarMirWar For edivdence i will provide it for you if you wish just let me know and i have verses from the bible, torah, the quran, buddha, the gita, mormonism, and even some prophecies from many other religions
@Fairy0000ful Buddhism: "He alone is meant by the prophecy attributed to Gautama Buddha Himself, that "a Buddha named Maitreye (which means kindness, Baha'u'llah's given name Husayn is arabic for kindness), the Buddha of universal fellowship" should, in the fullness of time, arise and reveal "His boundless glory," Baha'u'llah created the UHJ and was pretty much the only Prophet to develop some form of Universal religious law, and Governing body.
@BAHAIRULES First I Dont believe in Buddhism... Why would u give an example of somthing i dont believe in... Bahua'u'allah isn't the first person called by the name of Hussain .. there were people before him by the same name.. no big deal.and everyname has a meaning it dose not always convey the personality of someone!!!.if u can, oppose to the allegations above in the Video please..
@Fairy0000ful I am sorry but i did not know what you believe how am i supposed to know so i gave and example and i already did however i think the creater deleted it or i cant find it but i will repost
@Fairy0000ful okay one thing i dont understand is what there is to refute since all prophecies came true or havent were said to happen later i dont see what he is opposeing
@BAHAIRULES My friend I am Muslim Alhamdulillah! and ur comment is still there nobody has deleted! and please for GOD Sake just put some thought init then try to give reasons. which one of Bahaulla's prophecy has had became true give me an example? and the ones that are to happen later,so what am i gano do meanwhile If i was to believe in truthfulness of bahai fait just wait and hope that his prophacies become true ONE day?? jus like wat ur doing now? lol
@BAHAIRULES by the way every Messenger of God had a number of miracles which proved that they were sent from God and they are not liers give me one example of bahaullah's miracle that shows he was a prophet of watever he calimed to be? and DOnt try to change the topic or start to give me reasons that are not related to my question. a straight answer is needed!
@BAHAIRULES حضرت بهاءالله می گویند: "همه بار یک دارید و برگ یک شاخسار"، و از زبان فرزندشان چنین توصیف می شوند: "حضرت بهاء اللّه... تعالیم بدیعی تأسیس فرمود (یعنی تعالیمی که قبلا کسی آنها را بلد نبوده) و فضائل عالم انسانی تأسیس کرد ... و این اساس را در عالم وجود ترویج فرمود.( ثانیاً ) وحدت عالم انسانی یعنی جمیع بشر کل مشمول الطاف جلیل اکبرند بندگان یک خداوندند و پرورده حضرت ربوبیت رحمت شامل کل است و تاج انسانی زینت هر سری" (خطابات عبدالبهاء، ج1، ص 30 و 31)
@BAHAIRULES الیوم هر نفسی بر احدی از معرضین من اعلاهم او من ادناهم ذکر انسانیت نماید از جمیع فیوضات رحمانی محروم است، تا چه رسد که بخواهد از برای آن نفوس اثبات رتبه و مقام نماید" (حضرت بهاءالله، کتاب بدیع، ص 140) ،به فرموده ی ایشان، کسانی که از ایشان تبعیت نکرده اند کلاً حیوانند، و نه لایق اسمند و نه شایسته ی صفت؛
"نفوسی که از امر بدیع معرضند از رداء اسمیه و صفتیه محروم، و کل از بهائم بین یدی الله محشور و مذکور" (کتاب بدیع، ص 213).
@BAHAIRULES and for your information, with malachi being the last book of the old testament, it would be talking about john the baptist, which from my experience is referred to as the forerunner of Jesus, and the covenant being referred to as Jesus. Have fun explaining that one. What you don't realize is unlike most bahais when I was a bahai I actually studied other religions, unlike those of you like yourself who just rip stuff from the bible and other books, and try to use it incorrectly.
@Jetman082 but unlike you I accept the truth not cower behind the veil of misconception, and who would be the forerunner of Jesus? and if Baha'u'llah is the second coming do you not think that he to would have a forerunner as well? this is just one of the many I posted.
@BAHAIRULES But you refuse to look at the evidence shown to you that proves bahaullah is a false prophet. He couldn't be the 2nd coming of Jesus because he was born from the lineage of Adam, Jesus was conceived through the Holy Spirit in Mary. He was sinless. he can't go from being sinless to sinful, but I'll let you believe what you want and you can go to hell. Just trying to help someone. just keep refusing to look at the evidence shown to you.
@Jetman082 LOL. We have come to a stale mate as you cannot prove which parts of the bible are to be taken literally and i cannot provide what parts are to be taken literally as well. However I have posted more reasons and passages from the bible alone that point to Baha'u'llah being the second coming of Christ thus we can assume that if common points in the bible point to Baha'u'llah, then it can be taken literally or truthful.
@BAHAIRULES As I said add my msn where we can talk and where you can't ignore what I say. You've posted 2 passages from the Bible, I've posted over 5. and you still continue to ignore the fact that Jesus will come in the air, not from the womb. it seems we've reached a point where you're so desperate to prove your false prophet is real that you ignore what I say.
@Jetman082 WOW i have posted exactly SIX verses from the bible one of which you have refuted which leaves me with FIVE and you have only posted TWO verses from the bible. You are so desperate to prove that Baha'u'llah the next divine prophet of god isnt real that you are ignoring the facts right in front of you.
@Jetman082 Now moving on to whether or not Jesus is the son of God.
if you read Book of romans 8:14 all those who are lead by the spirit of God are sons of God(Example: Moses, Abraham, Christ, all sons of God) so if you are a Chrisitan then you are a son of God is that not why we call each other brother and sisters. That pretty much sums it up, for that and now i will prove more of why the bible isnt meant to be taken litterally............
@Jetman082 Consider the symbolical meanings of the Words and teachings of Christ. He said, "I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever" bread was the symbol of the perfections which had descended upon Him from God, and he who ate of this bread, or endowed himself with the perfections of Christ, would undoubtedly attain to everlasting life“I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved," “I am the good shepherd" John10:11
@Jetman082 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" (KJV, 2nd Timothy 3:16), "But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."(NAS, 2nd Peter 1:20-21) (this shows that if Jesus was indeed God or a son of God then could he give scriptures?)
@BAHAIRULES Okay, so what i just showed you completely destroys what bahaullah said about being the 2nd coming of Christ. Also, it wouldn't be wise for you to try and pull that whole thing where you say "the bible isn't supposed to be taken literally", and then go and try to put some literal meaning to try and prove your prophet is real. You either accept the bible in its entirety, or deny it. either which you choose to do destroys your prophets legitimacy.
you know it's funny too, how a lot of prophecies such as the time of great piece, can be easily found in Bible. Does the bible not tell of a time when there will be no tears, no pain or heartache, anything like that? The prophecies that this "prophet" gives tend to be very vague.
let's follow Iran this year...if it becomes a democracy then we'll have a fullfillment of one of Baha'u'llah's prophecies...(not that it would happen in 2011, but that it would happen).
@RefutingBahai hello this all came true what Abdu'-baha said, UNITED NATIONS international and although it was made right after the end of world war 2 the secretary general stated that it took untill the end of this centry before it became universal, it abolished war between nations was enforced throughout the world also they agreed to lay down arms and not fight one another, oh wow what a coincedence Abdu'l-baha said that it would be a unity of nations.
@BAHAIRULES Well, you know in the bible it says there will be false prophets who will be able to do great works. why is it after Jesus muhammad said he was the last prophet, and now bahaullah comes around and says that he isn't even the last prophet?
@Jetman082 Muhammad said that he was the "Seal of the prophets" This is believed by Many arabic Scholars of the highest education to actually mean, not that he was the last but that he was the "seal of approval" proving that the prophets are real and will forever be real. This greatly explains why there are so many scientific truths that have only just been proven today. In the Qur'an it does not have a single prediction or written word that contradicts with science today and never will.
@BAHAIRULES You bringing science into this subject has nothing to do with the rest of your statement, but here you go, I believe you'll enjoy this read. (btw what sense does it make a all for the "seal of prophets" to be like a "seal of approval"?. Like many bahais before you who have argued with me, it lacks reason, and you ignore other facts that I've posted on this video.)
Dear Flaws The other religions don't teach world peace. It does come about one person at a time, and your actions on this and other sites like it are a reflection of your own beliefs and that is to do as much damage to this Faith as possible.
Meditate on this for a while and see where this ridicule, hatred and intolerance of the beliefs of others is leading you.
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago
The "most great peace," according to the better religions like Hinduism, Yoga, and Buddhism has to come to the individual, even in the form of samadhi, before peace will then manifest in the exterior world. (The same religions teach that the exterior world is a projection of one's own body.). People don't want "peace," anyway. They want pleasure, positive change, excitement, thrills, prosperity, and bliss. Baha'is included.
BookOfFlaws 1 month ago
Al these useless wars and strifes will end and the Most Great Peace shall come.
We are working towards that. Destruction is fast and easy, Construction is difficult and takes time.
Come, Beleive and help us reach this Golden age promised by all prophets of the past, sooner.
Roya9T 3 months ago
Bible is also one of Moslim's holy book...this is stated in the Qoran but Moslims today became very fundamental and ignor most of it except the verses that serves them right.....you must us it as reference and respect it too then Baha'i picture will be more clear to you....We are all investigating and a lot of times Muslims, like nationalist says others are wrong right awaay...Mohammad even encourages people to investigate and protect people of different faiths... and you are doing the opposite!
rossinibkk 3 months ago
Alhamdulillah! there are few of Bahaullah's prophesies that not even did they come ture but as time goes by it proves it all wrong. and there is one Prophesey of Prophet Muhhammad (peace be upon him) in this Vidoe and Bahaullah himself (claiming to be a prophet) is a prove of the prophesy made centuries ago! Subhanallah!
Fairy0000ful 4 months ago
"Do you love your creator? Love your fellow-beings first." "Those who are merciful have mercy shown them by the Compassionate One, if you show mercy to those who are in the earth, He Who is in heaven will show mercy to you." Said Prophet Muhhammad (peace be upon him)
Fairy0000ful 4 months ago
BahaiRules I really hope u can read persian...
Fairy0000ful 4 months ago
@Fairy0000ful sorry i only can a little bit i dont understand the argument that you have posted
BAHAIRULES 4 months ago
BAHAULLAH LEADS THE PEOPLE STRAIGHT TO HELL WAKE UP BAHAIS I AM A FORMER BAHAI THE QURAN HAS SCIENTIFIC PROOFS THE KITAB AGHDAS NOT AND BAHAIS MAKE OFTEN SHIRK THAT IS NOT MENTION IN THE BAHAI FAITH
MrMoneymaker1989 5 months ago
why alot of question......the UN now using the holy book of Bahai to control the world....
Punonia 5 months ago
Bahá'u'lláh does not threaten Muhammad's status as the "Seal of the Prophets". Instead, Bahá'u'lláh is the man of God who started the new era, the initiator of the new world order, which earlier manifestations of God (including Jesus and Muhammad) has revealed. Bahá'u'lláh's son, 'Abdu'l-Bahá, has never claimed or been given prophet status. All statements about the future that came from 'Abdu'l-Bahá, is a positive and honorable mans hopes of soon reduced suffering for humanity.
caspiax61 5 months ago
@ MrOaet.. the Bahai faith is doggy itself.. we dont need to find any way of proving it! why dont u looke outside of sqaure and study other religions a little. from thier own sources NOT what u r told by ur leaders. ofcourse ur leaders will deny all religions just to prove the truthness (which is absents from the faith) of Bahai faith
MarMirWar 6 months ago
Baha'u'lah is th son of man, even christ talks about him. anyways all religions are the same, but people like you always find some way of dogging other religions, do ur homework, learn from a bahais point of view and u will know that posting this vid was wrong.
MrOaet113 6 months ago
whether or not baha'u'llah is or is not a manifestation of god, i don't know, but this video is full of false information, and thats a fact. if you're interested in refuting any religion, educate yourself from the inside out and get a 3 dimensional picture. this guy did not do his homework.
pixelairship 7 months ago
@refutingbahai I love this Islamic song by the way, RefutingBahai. What is the name of this Islamic chant? It is most beautiful !
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
Now visit richarddawkins(dot)net or bahai(dot)org. Your choice, both make more sense than what you currently believe.
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
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AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod and if God doesn't exist, which i saw you post earlier, and I can screenshot it if you deny it, then therefore bahaullah isn't God, and by him claiming to be God and claiming to be Christ means that he's a liar and a false prophet, which like i said to the other gentleman I was talking to, the bible reveals him to be a false prophet. Your argument has literally nothing to do with the topic at hand, you look stupid.
Jetman082 7 months ago
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AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod yeah of course you remove both of your posts. well bahaullah never claimed to be God as i told you before, you're just an obvious troll trying to get me angry. I'll be the bigger man and end the conversation since you obviously have no knowledge of any religion.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@Jetman082 Dear friend, i removed the posts when I saw your videos in your channel. You are a young boy, go back to playing your XBOX and PLAYSTATION. I don't want to engage in a conversation with you. The Baha'is are severely persecuted in all Muslim countries. Baha'u'llah claims to be Sender of all religions and Books, and the Creator of all creation
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod What he claims and what is fact is different. If the bible doesn't predict bahaullah, then therefor you can't use the bible like you people try to use to justify him. I'm a young boy, yet I've studied more religions in my time here then you've studied.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@Jetman082 Dear friend, I didn't mean to offend you by saying you are young. I will take your word that you have studied many religions. If you would like to know more about the Baha'i writings, let me know, I am versed in the original languages of Arabic and Persian. What Baha'u'llah claims is clear, and in my opinion his claims are true. You are free to disagree that's fine. A good place to start (and even end) is bahai(dt)org
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod I've studied the bahai faith, and honestly i was offended when i read some of the things. you're free to believe what you want, but ill show you something that showed me bahaullah isn't who he says he is.
It is clear to all that Christ came from heaven, although apparently He came from the womb of Mary. At the first coming He came from heaven, though apparently from the womb; in the same way, also, at His second coming He will come from heaven, though apparently from the womb.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod What I just posted was what abdulbaha said in some answered questions. It is incorrect what he said about Jesus coming from the womb a second time. It is stated in the bible that Jesus will return in the air, not from the womb. Therefor, bahaullah can't be the return of Christ, since Christ won't be coming from the womb, and bahaullah came from the womb obviously. There wasn't a need for another prophet after Jesus. Jesus fulfilled what needed to be fulfilled.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@Jetman082 The Baha'i belief is that Jesus came down from heaven the first time. This definition of heaven is the womb of Mary. Baha'is do not believe that heaven is up in the sky. So with the coming of the Father (Baha'u'llah) and the Son (the Bab), both came down from heaven (i.e. the womb's of their mothers). Baha'is do not believe in physical resurrection.
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod Mmkay well you're free to believe what you wish, I'm finished trying to help you understand.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod Also, if you don't believe in a heaven, that means you don't believe in God, and if you don't believe in God, therefore you don't believe in any prophets that claim there to be a God, which even though there are false prophets they all say there's a supreme being. If what you say about your bahai religion is accurate, it's the most flawed and rediculous excuse for a religion i've ever heard of.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@Jetman082 Dear friend, Baha'is don't believe Heaven is up in the sky. Baha'is are post-modernists and we believe in science very similar to secularists and atheists/humanists. The Baha'is believe that heaven is real but it is beyond human understanding because it is not physical and not confined within the space-time framework of space in any of the dimensions (if you accept string theory). The spiritual worlds of "God" are outside of even the dimensions of the multiverse
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
The Baha'i Faith is not like the religions you see in the world, because all these religions are corrupted by the limited and unscientific beliefs and understandings of the religionists clergy, spiritual leaders, and literalists. The Baha'i Faith is that Original Faith that mankind had the moment the human mind evolved enough to understand its surrounds. Baha'is do not believe in the creation story or the story of Adam and Eve. Those were all symbolic stories and myths of the people.
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
The "God" that the religions talked about, the Father of Christianity, the Jehovah of the Jews, the Allah of the Qur'an, all these are reference to the Most Great Spirit manifest in Baha'u'llah. Cognitive Scientists, evolutionary biologists, astrophysics, scientific theoreticians all agree that "the God" that the religionists believe in is nothing more than a fantasy character that was created by mankind when human society and learning was in its infancy before the advent of the Baha'i Faith
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod Actually any scientist that says God isn't real with 100% certainty is making a claim they can't back up. I know many scientists and they all say they can't prove one way or the other if God exists. If God doesn't exist then therefor you call bahaullah a false prophet, since he says that there is a God. Unfortunately for you and for your faith the science doesn't mix with the religion. true science and religion go hand in hand, but there are always holes. I'm finished debating it.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@Jetman082 No, Baha'u'llah never says there is a God separate from Himself. He says God is inseparable from Himself. The scientists can't prove a negative, no. Scientists also cannot prove that there isn't a teapot flying around in orbit, and scientists cannot prove that there isn't a pink unicorn, and scientists cannot prove that there isn't a flying spaghetti monster that created the universe. You read some books, you are very young. Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are good places to start
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod So why are you saying bahaullah is inseperable from God if you just said earlier God doesn't exist. My whole point is the side of your debate is filled with holes. first you say there's no God, then you say bahaullah is inseperable from God. Now I have a problem with bahaullah saying he is inseperable from God. How can he say whether or not he is if according to you bahais God is unknowable, which in the bible it states God wants to be known... So ignorant you are.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@Jetman082 Since Baha'u'llah and God are inseparable, God doesn't exist as an independent reality. So if you reject Baha'u'llah you are rejecting the Only God. There are not two Gods. If you imagine a God separate from God, you are worshipping your own imagination who is no more real than a spaghetti monster. When Baha'is say God is unknowable, it is a veiled way of saying that God is inseparable from Baha'ullah and doesn't exist outside of Baha'u'llah.
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod No, don't try and change your story. you said that God doesn't exist, now you're changing your story again. Bahullah and God are not one being, if you Go by the Bible only Jesus is equal to God, and on many occasions people tried to kill Jesus for saying that. No other being is on the same level as God. You know what though, feel free to believe whatever you want. your mind was made up before I even talked to you. You're not open-minded at all. I'm done trying to debate.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@Jetman082 I agree to end this discussion dear friend. Please review what I wrote, all of it, again. I did not contradict myself at all. Baha'u'llah is the promised Father that Jesus spoke about in Matthew 27:46. May you be guided.
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod last thing I'll say. bahaullah isn't Jesus' father, God is. You did but i honestly don't care. I tried to lead you in the right direction and you spat in my face by ignoring.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@Jetman082 You said "i honestly don't care". Thus ends our discussion. I didn't ignore anything you said, but you don't care what I say. I said fine, your Jesus is true, but Baha'u'llah is His Father. You don't listen to anything I say, you don't even care.
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod I did care until I saw you were unwilling to see the other side. Bahaullah never claimed to be his father.. ever.. He claimed to be the 2nd coming of christ, so how can he be his father. And also, him claiming to be the second coming of christ i've already proven wrong to bahairules, you can read through the tons of scriptures I gave him showing him what he says is false.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@Jetman082 Bahaullah states He is the Father of Christ many times. He even said it in the Tablet to the Pope. "Lo! The Father is come, and that which ye were promised in the Kingdom is fulfilled!" - Baha'u'llah
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod What he says and what is stated in the bible are 2 different things. The bible says to watch out for a false prophet, and obviously one fooled you. do you really believe the pope actually believed him? if he believed him he would've made bahaullah the leader of the catholic church. obviously he didn't. bahais also claim that bahaullah is the spirit of truth, which he isn't and i can prove it. Just because someone says something, that doesn't make it true son.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod I could say I was God right now, but that wouldn't make it true. You people believe whatever gets you into heaven, abha paradise, w/e you want to call it. liek i said stop talking to me, im done arguing with a close-minded ignorant man.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@Jetman082 Thank you for your honesty and your kindness (except for calling me an ignorant man). I think you are a smart person. I actually like you a lot from this brief exchange. Hopefully we will meet again. With love, AJ.
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
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@Jetman082 There is not a single statement in the entire bible where Jesus himself says i am God worship me.
Jesus was in no way equal to God
John 14:28 : .....my father is greater than I.
John 10:29 : My father which gave them unto me is greater than all;
these two verses state that they are on two entirely different levels and that God is greater that Jesus and Jesus is not God. I have extensive knowledge of the bible too and i didnt take 17 years
BAHAIRULES 7 months ago
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AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod Actually if you did any research at all, you would know that supposedly the angel Gabriel told Muhammad what to write, and also that muhammad couldn't tell the difference between a demon or an angel.
Jetman082 7 months ago
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AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod Again wrong, bahaullah never claimed to be God, and that further proves that you have never bothered to study the religion or any other religion for that matter. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. Bahullah isn't the word, Jesus is the word, that verse refers to Jesus. Btw, it was God himself who appeared to Moses in the burning bush. Don't refer to the bible when you bahais discredit it in the first place.....
Jetman082 7 months ago
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BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
By that if muhammad himself is a false prophet then wouldn't that make bahuallah a false prophet? Not to mention the misinterpretations that were presented by adbu'l baha. You can't be a prophet and present false information.
Jetman082 10 months ago
@Jetman082 LOL you want to prove to the world that Muhammad is a false prophet then sure go ahead if you can.
BAHAIRULES 10 months ago
Also adbu'l baha says in some answered questions, "At the 1st coming he came from heaven though apparently from the womb, in the same way also, at his 2nd coming, he will come from heaven though apparently from the womb". It's made very clear that Jesus will come in the same way he returned, in the air. That's just another hint that these prophets have no idea what they're talking about, and out of ignorance make mistakes such as that.
Jetman082 10 months ago
@Jetman082 LOL please copy the exact passege and past it to the comment and give a link to where you got this information which is either false or misinterpeted, and i will help clear the confusion
BAHAIRULES 10 months ago
@BAHAIRULES Alright if you want to question your own prophet I'll gladly show you a misinterpreted message.
"At the 1st coming he came from heaven though apparently from the womb, in the same way also, at his 2nd coming, he will come from heaven though apparently from the womb".(Abdul baha, some answere questions, pg 127)" Enjoy.
Jetman082 10 months ago
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@Jetman082 It is clear to all that Christ came from heaven, although apparently He came from the womb of Mary. At the first coming He came from heaven, though apparently from the womb; in the same way,also,at His second coming He will come from heaven, though apparently from the womb. The conditions that are indicated in the Gospel for the second coming of Christ are the same as those that were mentioned for the first coming, as we said before.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
Baha'u'llah came from the womb as did jesus you have proved nothing in fact you have even more so proved my point.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES Here you go, I'll show you what it says in the Bible. " Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him". This message is to be taken literally, not symbolically. what have you to say to me now? If you agree that it is to be taken literally, then you accept your prophet is false, if you deny this passage, then you deny part of the Bible, which means you can't take any messages from it.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES which would of course mean you can't try to use any messages from it to prove your "prophet" is the 2nd coming of Christ. You bahais say you're supposed to learn about all religions, but how is it someone like myself who was only a bahai for 2 months knows more about every other religion than someone like you who has been a bahai for probably God knows how long. You people don't study any other religions, and you also accept homosexual, which is said by your prophet bahaullah.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES to be an abomination to be gay, so again you corrupt your own religion by twisting words around to try and get more people to join your religion. anything else you would like to try to say to me, or do you finally understand how your religion is based on nothing but lies and deceit, scriptures taken and put together which don't belong together.
Jetman082 9 months ago
and yes thank you for showing me that misinterpeted message which was missinterpeted by you
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES ACtually no it wasn't misinterpreted by me. why don't you crack open some answered questions and go over to it yourself. I own several bahai books, which include of course some answered questions, kitab i aqdas, and the kitab i iqan. Believe me, I've done my fair share of research on this religion, and it's easily proven to be a religion with a false prophet. I completely just destroyed your argument, and you fall back on trying to say I misinterpreted what was in your book.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES also, if you wish to add my msn (jetstyler@hotmail), we can continue this discussion where you won't be able to ignore the stuff i say to you. I already pointed out to you twice that Jesus is not coming from the womb a second time, and went ahead and posted the scripture that says so, but out of shear desperateness you ignore it.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 YES Jesus came from the womb he came from VIRGIN MARY's Womb, like i said JESUS CAME FROM THE WOMB.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES I like how you just ingored what it was I posted. " Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him". THAT MEANS HE WILL NOT COME FROM THE WOMB AGAIN. get it better that time?
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 where is this in the bible?
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES Revelation 1:7, and here's another from 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.
"For the Lord Himself will descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air."
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 you do know that the bible was never supposed to be taken literally at all? when Jesus says at any time that he came from god it is beacuse he was the manifestation of God, all messangers came from God and were the manifestations of god now there is clear evidence that Jesus is not the son of God, nor is he god(yes a son of god but not in the sense that he is the begotten son) here do not respond as i have to give the evidence once i am done to avoid confusion i will tell you.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES So by you saying you can't take it literally then you deny that the bible prophesied bahaullah as the spirit of truth? btw not all prophets were manifestations, only Jesus was. moses was a normal man, used by God to take the jews to the promised land. for bahaullah to be a manifestation of God he would have to be sinless, like Jesus, that's why there was the virgin birth, to prove his sinlessness. so let me guess Jesus went from being sinless to sinful by being bahaullah?
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 where did you get this knowledge of who is and isnt a manifestation of GOD? please once again back it up with proof
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@Jetman082 no sorry let me rephrase that The majority of the bible is meant to be figurative.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES yeah you rephrase only what you want in order to try and prove your prophet is true. The fact of the matter is you will always say that the parts that prove bahaullah is a false prophet aren't literal, and the parts that you think prove him are literal. the fact of the matter is bahaullah was never the spirit of truth, the spirit of truth is the Holy Spirit, promised to the desciples and came to them on the day of pentecost when they spake in tongues.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 (NIV) "for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief."
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@Jetman082 For Jesus Christ to return only during the nighttime would be impossible, as there is concurrently daytime and nighttime simultaneously on the earth. The Holy Scripture states that Jesus Christ's Second Coming will be an unexpected and sudden "surprise," "like a thief" is a surprise. This is one of the passages in the bible which shows that Baha'u'llah is Jesus or fits into the catagorie of mostlikely.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES But as we both saw it said Jesus isn't coming from the womb like bahaullah, who was born of man and woman, Jesus was conceived through the holy spirit in mary. that removes his ability to be the 2nd coming of Christ. also, read this passage, if i remember correctly bahais take the death of Jesus as him being just a martyr and having no significance. (will be in my next comment)
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 Yes however Jesus did come from the womb he was BORN through virgin Mary's WOMB thus this is negated beacuse he was in fact born from the Womb of virgin mary. there is no evidence that points to the fact that the second coming has to be born through a virgin nor that the holy spirit needs to be involved.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
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@BAHAIRULES John 3:16 (King James Version) 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
If you believe not on Jesus you can't go to heaven. Sin cannot enter into the kingdom of God, and Jesus was sent as the middleman between God and man. In my next comment I'll give you a scripture that justifies what I say.
Jetman082 9 months ago
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@BAHAIRULES Isaiah 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. he wasn't just some martyr. without Christ one cannot enter into the kingdom of God. By recognizing Christ as the only begotten son of God, and that he died so we may enter into Heaven, we are able to be forgiven of our sins.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 Malachi 3:1 (NIV) "See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty. Now this is more interesting for it shows/proves the coming of the BaB (the gateway in persian) who completely and utterly preached of Baha'u'llah's coming he is also founder of the Babbie religon.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES That proves nothing because it's not even talking about the bab. as i said you chose only what scripture you wanted to choose, I can easily pop open my Bible,flip to malachi, and read the sentences following that, and prove it wasn't talking about the bab. Besides, why would it be if you believe the supposed prophet muhammad, who said it was okay to lie for justice, came first? (btw he also wrote the satanic verses. He couldn't tell the difference between good and evil).
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 Beacuse he himself told the world that he was a prophet however said that he was not the second coming of Christ ask any Muslim and they will tell you that Muhammad is not the second coming nor is he the gateway the Bab literally means the gateway and if you would be so kind as to prove to me that it wasnt talking about the Bab
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES well factor in the bab didn't come about until roughly 1800-2000 years after, why would it be? and it's the Bible, all throughout the bible it talks about the messiah (the promised one), which was fulfilled by Jesus coming and dying on Calvary (also known as golgotha). so how about you provide some hard evidence where it talks about the bab and bahaullah? I already proved that bahaullah wasn't the spirit of truth because the holy spirit is the spirit of truth.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES And like I already said, bahaullah isn't the 2nd coming of christ because as ive shown you the passages christ will come again in the air, not the sky. that's 1 lie he makes, and a prophet can't lie and be a true prophet now can he? also, i like how bahaullah came in his own name rather than in the name of God, then promoted his son to a prophet, and abdu'l baha promoted shoggi effendi to the next leader, who the made the hands of the cause, who then did nothing in the name of God.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES everything done by your so called prophets were done in their own name, rather than in Gods name. so just remember that. oh and also, how could he be a manifestation of God and the supposed greatest prophet, when Jesus himself said no prophet had come about that was Greater than John the Baptist? Jesus didn't count himself because he was God in the flesh. here's a scripture that hints that Jesus is the final prophet, it will be in this next comment.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES Heb. 1: 1-2 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, ..." it says hath in these last days spoken to us by his son. If you deny Christ you deny God. add my msn (jetstyler@hotmaildotcom), and ill give you even more scriptures showing he's the final prophet. there was no need for further prophets after jesus, because he fulfilled them at calvary.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 No he hasn't no Prophet ever has and ever will the only way that a perfect book or prophet will come is if his word is identifiable as God's amongst all people, and proof that God exists.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES okay here's a scripture where it's said.
Luke 7:28
For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
I think Jesus, the son of God, the lamb of God, the son of man knows what he's talking about.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 The regular Hebrew word for "messenger" is mal'akh, the Greek aggelos. This may be a human messenger or a messenger of God, an angel. The regular Hebrew word for "Prophet" is Na' bi. This defines that there is a difference between Messanger and Prophet. A PROPHET is someone who writes scripture, however do not bring a book, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.......
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@Jetman082 A messanger is someone who does bring a book and is the Messanger of God, Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, Baha'u'llah. A prophet from Bahai faith would be both Shogi effendi and Abdu'l-baha. And if this were inncorrect i believe that Jesus would be contradicting himself for he speaks very high of Moses and the ten commandments, a MESSAGE that Moses brought from God.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES i never said he didn't speak very high of moses, in fact he saw moses and elijah on the mountain if i remember correctly. he never said moses was the greatest prophet, and abdu'l baha and shogi effendi aren't prophets. adbu'l baha was appointed by bahaullah, not by God.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 Here is a verse that states the second coming will be the son of man"The coming of Christ will be instantaneous and worldwide.For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the SON-OF-MAN be."Matthew 24:27. Bahai faith is the second most world wide established religon in the world, i have many more verses which point to the fact that Baha'u'llah is indeed the second coming of Christ......
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES how many more times must I show you the passage where it says Christ will come in the air not the womb? your argument was completely destroyed about your prophits legitimacy when i showed that scripture to you. stop pulling stuff out of your ass, it's over.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 Christ came from the air as well as the womb, however I have just posted passages explaining the fact that Baha'u'llah is the SON OF MAN that was stated to be the second coming of Christ.I have also proved your passage to be incorrect as i have determined the difference between Prophet and a messanger. In addition this very verse would contardict itself if there was no variation,for Jesus was born from a woman and so there has to be a difference or else John is greater than Jesus.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@Jetman082 "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."Matthew 24:30.Baha'u'llah literally means Glory of God."No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Matthew 24:36. Baha'u'llah himself was a Babbie(follower of the BAB)and was awaiting the second coming untill God revealed it was him
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@Jetman082 you have not provided any evidence as to why Baha'u'llah isn't the SON OF MAN and the SECOND COMING, but are merely stating your belifs. God's prophets were always sent directly by Him to deliver His message not their own "do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say; for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but The Spirit of your Father speaking through you."Matthew 10:19-20, Abdu'l-baha IS a prophet placed by GOD.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES ACtually twice now I have given you a scripture that says Jesus can not come from the womb. I see that my pastor was right, you can not talk to a person who has shut his mind off to possiblities.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 i am providing more evidence to my side of"possibilites" and have provided more statements and passeges that prove that Baha'u'llah is the second coming, that the second coming is the a SON OF MAN, and the fact that what you have stated proves nothing thus my side of Possibilites is making alot more sense and so i am opening my mind to the one that makes more sense and has more proof behind it.I am not here to tell you what you believe is wrong i am stateing that there is more to it.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES here's where i say for the 4th time, add my msn (jetstyler@hotmaildotcom), and ill give you all the passages you've refused to see. you've given me 3 passages so far, ive given you about 8, but you refuse to read them. I think ill be the bigger man and go ahead and say I'm finished arguing with an egotistical undereducated child who refuses to admit when he's been beaten in a debate.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 how very Christian of you to lose your temper and insult me. As i respect the fact that you do not wish to be seen made a fool of in front of the public.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@Jetman082 I have sent you an e-mail where we can continue our debate if you have not recieved it please let me know.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@Jetman082 Hello friend question, the jews were waiting for thousands of years for a Messiah to come down and relieve them from their troubles. The Messiah will come down with great glory and power and will carry a sword, come with a chariot riding upon the clouds, seat upon the throne of David with a great army.
Yet he was born of a womb,no sword, a carpenter and less than twenty followers.
The return of Jesus will be coming from the clouds aswell or will He return the same way via womb?
stevenmasua 9 months ago
@stevenmasua No he will be coming from the clouds. It's stated in the bible Jesus shall not be born of woman a second time, there isn't a need anymore as he already accomplished what he set out to do on calvary.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 listen to what JESUS just said himself that he would come as the SON OF MAN that was how nearly everytime he reffered to his second coming.
BAHAIRULES 7 months ago
@BAHAIRULES Daniel 7:13-14, “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven." Jesus never said he would come as the son of man, if you actually read the Bible you would know this. It's a metaphor, and as you can see in that passage, it says coming with the clouds of heaven. Need I again prove to you that It's stated in the bible that Jesus shall not come from the womb again?
Jetman082 7 months ago
@BAHAIRULES The only reason you're so offended is the fact that if Jesus comes from the air instead of the womb again, it means your prophet is a false prophet, as he claims to be the second coming of Jesus.
Jetman082 7 months ago
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@BAHAIRULES Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@BAHAIRULES Wanting to create a "New World Order" is not what a good person would do. It should be God that creates the new world order, not a man that calls himself "Glory of God". You want so badly to believe he's real that over the past 2 months of arguing you've ignored almost everything that I said, most of what I said being backed up by scriptures. You and people of your religion don't even truly study it, if you did then you would realize it's contrary to what the bible says.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@Jetman082 Luke 7:28 refers to prophets that have been born baha`u`llah had not been born yet. 1 Thess, 5:19-21, Matt 23:21, Matt 7:15-20, there 8 verses that tell that prophets are to come. For some reason you want to believe so badly that he isnt real that you have not realised that i have already given more verses than you have on proof that he is the second coming and SON OF MAN.
BAHAIRULES 7 months ago
@BAHAIRULES matthew 23:21 says absolutely nothing about prophets, but matthew 21:11 says something.
“And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.”(Matthew 21:11)
What have you to say now? gonna try and discredit the Bible now?
Jetman082 7 months ago
@BAHAIRULES where do you get your facts man, have you never picked up a real bible and read it? None of those passages mention anything about there being more prophets.
I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he."
That passage is Luke 7:28, and actually proves that bahaullah isn't a prophet. If he was, then he would be greater than John. I can do this all day man, I actually read the bible...
Jetman082 7 months ago
@Jetman082 wrong verses, alright starting with the most clear statement about prophets to come is in Matthew 23:34 it simply states that jesus is going to send prophets to come. Matthew 7:15-20 states that you are to judge prophets by the words and teachings they give now why would you need to judge a prophet if no more were to come? 1 John 4:1 states the same as the previous. there are actually a couple more
BAHAIRULES 7 months ago
@BAHAIRULES Stop posting only bits and pieces that make what you say relevant. Like I said, why don't you pick up a real bible and read it instead of going on your bahai sites or talking with other bahais trying to prove me wrong. You bahais don't study the bible, so stop pretending to know it. Matthew 7:15-20 states how to tell a false prophet, again you prove you don't study the bible. 1 John 4:1 also states what to look for in a false prophet.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@BAHAIRULES Read this.
"For many will come in my name, saying,, "I am the Christ," and will deceive many.. At that time if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ!" or, "There he is!" do not believe it. (Matt. 24:5. 23)
There was only 1 Jesus, to say that bahaullah is the 2nd coming of Christ is to say that Christ went from being sinless to sinful. Jesus had a virgin birth to prove his sinlessness. He wasn't from the lineage of adam.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@Jetman082 Alright so im taking your scilence on my point earlier as acceptance. Next, regarding your passage from the book of Matthew if you read on down to verse 27 it says: For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth unto to west; so shall also the coming of the SON OF MAN be. once again it is stating that Jesus would come again as the Son of Man. Now in regards to having children, how is it a sin i do not understand, and who isnt from Adam this doesnt make sense.
BAHAIRULES 7 months ago
@BAHAIRULES YOu never stated what chapter in matthew, and having children isn't a sin, but all those born from the lineage of adam are cursed with sin. Jesus isn't from adam because Jesus was conceived through mary by the holy spirit, therefor Jesus isn't from the lineage of adam. By the way, why don't you tell me the chapter and I'll again correct you.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@BAHAIRULES By the way, I never said Jesus wasn't referred to as the son of man. I read that scripture, and it said nothing about a second return.... Like i said you only pull what you can use from the bible. You better be careful pulling out bits and pieces of information to suite your needs, that's a dangerous thing to do. I suggest you actually read, and i mean pick up a bible and actually read every scripture before you try to debate with me. I've been a Christian for 17 years..
Jetman082 7 months ago
@BAHAIRULES .
This is the full scripture that you ripped apart. It's too long so ill post it in 2 comments.
Then if any man shall say unto you,here is Christ, or there; believe it not.For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.Behold, I have told you before.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@BAHAIRULES
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Like I said, trying to tell me I'm wrong when I've been a Christian for 17 years is a bad idea. I've studied the bible far longer and more extensively than you have.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@Jetman082 Firstly you probably have a different type of bible than mine. Secondly regardless it still includes SON OF MAN meaning Jesus's second coming will be a MAN. Thirdly this verse also states that he will come fast and quick. Fourthly I know Muslims that know more than your pastor and probably every other christian you have met on the bible and have memorized the bible. 5, who isnt from adam? 6, is having children a sin?
BAHAIRULES 7 months ago
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@BAHAIRULES First I've already explained to you how Jesus isn't from adam, second my bible is the king james bible, third it never says he will come as the son of man twice, it says he will come in the air, fourth i would really love to talk to your muslim friends so i can prove you wrong. You've sunk so low as to completely ignore the thins ive said to you just so you can prove I'm wrong, which we both know im not. how does calling him the son of man mean he's coming the same way? it doesn't...
Jetman082 7 months ago
@BAHAIRULES I believe this debate is over, I just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that bahaullah can't be the return of christ, and all you said was "oh well ill just believe whatever I wan't to believe". Have a nice day friend, why don't you go discuss in a bahai meeting how a child just proved you and a whole legion of bahais wrong?
Jetman082 7 months ago
@Jetman082 LOL I have proven to you and to everyone viewing that Baha'u'llah can and is the second coming of Jesus Christ I have provided more verses from the bible stateing Jesus himself stateing that his second coming is the SON OF MAN. I have also provided verses as to how Baha'u'llah fulfills them and you may end it now and here but the ultimate truth is that i have more evidence and theories as to Baha'u'llah being the second coming. I have even coreccted you that Jesus is not god nor equal
BAHAIRULES 7 months ago
@BAHAIRULES Wrong, I posted how your verses were wrong. I also posted how bahaullah can't be the second coming of christ, but your ignorant feeble mind can't accept the fact that i proved you wrong. now kindly stop messaging me, i have no desire to debate with an ignorant man who is unwilling to look at both sides of the debate. Why don't you pick up a bible and read it, find out yourself that bahaullah is a big false prophet. until you do that dont talk to me again child...
Jetman082 7 months ago
@Jetman082 if you are such a great christian i shouldnt have to correct you over and over again if you are so great, also think about what the name Christian means, it means follower of Christ and so if you read the bible then u will know that not once did he say i am God, not once did he say worship me, the thing he has said is that he will come again as the SON OF MAN so if we talk about who is more Christian then i guess i am beacuse i follow Jesus's direct words. u have lots 2 learn.
BAHAIRULES 7 months ago
@BAHAIRULES You never corrected me, i spent my time correcting you, and for the last time, stop messaging me. You're acting like an ignorant fool who can't look at both sides of the story. I proved my point, you proved nothing. you simply state what you want to believe, i state what is said in the bible. you twist the scriptures to fit what you want, i take them like they're supposed to be taken. do not message me again until you learn how to read the bible properly.
Jetman082 7 months ago
@BAHAIRULES a question, if Bahuallah was the second coming of prophet Jesus (which he was NOT) why did come for ?? to die again doing nothing good for the nation? there is a purpose of prophet Jesus's return and that is to invite people to worshipping God etc,but what bahullah or Bab did was to claim that he is the GOD.a god who is dead!? without chainging the world to the better.. Please first prove that bahaullah or bab was a prophet then brings us proves from our own books!!!
MarMirWar 6 months ago
@MarMirWar Baha'u'llah never claimed that he was or is God and talks about how Jesus was not the son of God nor God himself. The Bahai faith is the second most widespread religion in the world accepting people from many cultural backgrounds; is one of the only religions of the world that speaks out against racial profiling. He set a UHJ, he taught people to love one another and reafirmed Jesus, Muhammad, Krishna, Buddha, Moses, and brought peace between nearly 4 million ppl of different religion
BAHAIRULES 6 months ago
@MarMirWar For edivdence i will provide it for you if you wish just let me know and i have verses from the bible, torah, the quran, buddha, the gita, mormonism, and even some prophecies from many other religions
BAHAIRULES 6 months ago
@BAHAIRULES bring it on ....give us an exmaple
Fairy0000ful 4 months ago
That is ONE example of the prophecies from Buddhist scriptures
BAHAIRULES 4 months ago
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Fairy0000ful 4 months ago
@Fairy0000ful Buddhism: "He alone is meant by the prophecy attributed to Gautama Buddha Himself, that "a Buddha named Maitreye (which means kindness, Baha'u'llah's given name Husayn is arabic for kindness), the Buddha of universal fellowship" should, in the fullness of time, arise and reveal "His boundless glory," Baha'u'llah created the UHJ and was pretty much the only Prophet to develop some form of Universal religious law, and Governing body.
BAHAIRULES 4 months ago
@BAHAIRULES First I Dont believe in Buddhism... Why would u give an example of somthing i dont believe in... Bahua'u'allah isn't the first person called by the name of Hussain .. there were people before him by the same name.. no big deal.and everyname has a meaning it dose not always convey the personality of someone!!!.if u can, oppose to the allegations above in the Video please..
Fairy0000ful 4 months ago
@Fairy0000ful I am sorry but i did not know what you believe how am i supposed to know so i gave and example and i already did however i think the creater deleted it or i cant find it but i will repost
BAHAIRULES 4 months ago
@Fairy0000ful okay one thing i dont understand is what there is to refute since all prophecies came true or havent were said to happen later i dont see what he is opposeing
BAHAIRULES 4 months ago
@BAHAIRULES My friend I am Muslim Alhamdulillah! and ur comment is still there nobody has deleted! and please for GOD Sake just put some thought init then try to give reasons. which one of Bahaulla's prophecy has had became true give me an example? and the ones that are to happen later,so what am i gano do meanwhile If i was to believe in truthfulness of bahai fait just wait and hope that his prophacies become true ONE day?? jus like wat ur doing now? lol
Fairy0000ful 4 months ago
@BAHAIRULES by the way every Messenger of God had a number of miracles which proved that they were sent from God and they are not liers give me one example of bahaullah's miracle that shows he was a prophet of watever he calimed to be? and DOnt try to change the topic or start to give me reasons that are not related to my question. a straight answer is needed!
Fairy0000ful 4 months ago
@BAHAIRULES حضرت بهاءالله می گویند: "همه بار یک دارید و برگ یک شاخسار"، و از زبان فرزندشان چنین توصیف می شوند: "حضرت بهاء اللّه... تعالیم بدیعی تأسیس فرمود (یعنی تعالیمی که قبلا کسی آنها را بلد نبوده) و فضائل عالم انسانی تأسیس کرد ... و این اساس را در عالم وجود ترویج فرمود.( ثانیاً ) وحدت عالم انسانی یعنی جمیع بشر کل مشمول الطاف جلیل اکبرند بندگان یک خداوندند و پرورده حضرت ربوبیت رحمت شامل کل است و تاج انسانی زینت هر سری" (خطابات عبدالبهاء، ج1، ص 30 و 31)
Fairy0000ful 4 months ago
@BAHAIRULES الیوم هر نفسی بر احدی از معرضین من اعلاهم او من ادناهم ذکر انسانیت نماید از جمیع فیوضات رحمانی محروم است، تا چه رسد که بخواهد از برای آن نفوس اثبات رتبه و مقام نماید" (حضرت بهاءالله، کتاب بدیع، ص 140) ،به فرموده ی ایشان، کسانی که از ایشان تبعیت نکرده اند کلاً حیوانند، و نه لایق اسمند و نه شایسته ی صفت؛
"نفوسی که از امر بدیع معرضند از رداء اسمیه و صفتیه محروم، و کل از بهائم بین یدی الله محشور و مذکور" (کتاب بدیع، ص 213).
Fairy0000ful 4 months ago
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AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@BAHAIRULES and for your information, with malachi being the last book of the old testament, it would be talking about john the baptist, which from my experience is referred to as the forerunner of Jesus, and the covenant being referred to as Jesus. Have fun explaining that one. What you don't realize is unlike most bahais when I was a bahai I actually studied other religions, unlike those of you like yourself who just rip stuff from the bible and other books, and try to use it incorrectly.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 but unlike you I accept the truth not cower behind the veil of misconception, and who would be the forerunner of Jesus? and if Baha'u'llah is the second coming do you not think that he to would have a forerunner as well? this is just one of the many I posted.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES But you refuse to look at the evidence shown to you that proves bahaullah is a false prophet. He couldn't be the 2nd coming of Jesus because he was born from the lineage of Adam, Jesus was conceived through the Holy Spirit in Mary. He was sinless. he can't go from being sinless to sinful, but I'll let you believe what you want and you can go to hell. Just trying to help someone. just keep refusing to look at the evidence shown to you.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 LOL. We have come to a stale mate as you cannot prove which parts of the bible are to be taken literally and i cannot provide what parts are to be taken literally as well. However I have posted more reasons and passages from the bible alone that point to Baha'u'llah being the second coming of Christ thus we can assume that if common points in the bible point to Baha'u'llah, then it can be taken literally or truthful.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES As I said add my msn where we can talk and where you can't ignore what I say. You've posted 2 passages from the Bible, I've posted over 5. and you still continue to ignore the fact that Jesus will come in the air, not from the womb. it seems we've reached a point where you're so desperate to prove your false prophet is real that you ignore what I say.
Jetman082 9 months ago
@Jetman082 WOW i have posted exactly SIX verses from the bible one of which you have refuted which leaves me with FIVE and you have only posted TWO verses from the bible. You are so desperate to prove that Baha'u'llah the next divine prophet of god isnt real that you are ignoring the facts right in front of you.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@Jetman082 Now moving on to whether or not Jesus is the son of God.
if you read Book of romans 8:14 all those who are lead by the spirit of God are sons of God(Example: Moses, Abraham, Christ, all sons of God) so if you are a Chrisitan then you are a son of God is that not why we call each other brother and sisters. That pretty much sums it up, for that and now i will prove more of why the bible isnt meant to be taken litterally............
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@Jetman082 Consider the symbolical meanings of the Words and teachings of Christ. He said, "I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever" bread was the symbol of the perfections which had descended upon Him from God, and he who ate of this bread, or endowed himself with the perfections of Christ, would undoubtedly attain to everlasting life“I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved," “I am the good shepherd" John10:11
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@Jetman082 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" (KJV, 2nd Timothy 3:16), "But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."(NAS, 2nd Peter 1:20-21) (this shows that if Jesus was indeed God or a son of God then could he give scriptures?)
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES Okay, so what i just showed you completely destroys what bahaullah said about being the 2nd coming of Christ. Also, it wouldn't be wise for you to try and pull that whole thing where you say "the bible isn't supposed to be taken literally", and then go and try to put some literal meaning to try and prove your prophet is real. You either accept the bible in its entirety, or deny it. either which you choose to do destroys your prophets legitimacy.
Jetman082 10 months ago
you know it's funny too, how a lot of prophecies such as the time of great piece, can be easily found in Bible. Does the bible not tell of a time when there will be no tears, no pain or heartache, anything like that? The prophecies that this "prophet" gives tend to be very vague.
Jetman082 10 months ago
ONE MORE CULT TATS IT
SuperAaban 10 months ago
let's follow Iran this year...if it becomes a democracy then we'll have a fullfillment of one of Baha'u'llah's prophecies...(not that it would happen in 2011, but that it would happen).
aaronlee75 10 months ago
@RefutingBahai hello this all came true what Abdu'-baha said, UNITED NATIONS international and although it was made right after the end of world war 2 the secretary general stated that it took untill the end of this centry before it became universal, it abolished war between nations was enforced throughout the world also they agreed to lay down arms and not fight one another, oh wow what a coincedence Abdu'l-baha said that it would be a unity of nations.
BAHAIRULES 10 months ago 3
@BAHAIRULES Well, you know in the bible it says there will be false prophets who will be able to do great works. why is it after Jesus muhammad said he was the last prophet, and now bahaullah comes around and says that he isn't even the last prophet?
Jetman082 10 months ago
@Jetman082 Muhammad said that he was the "Seal of the prophets" This is believed by Many arabic Scholars of the highest education to actually mean, not that he was the last but that he was the "seal of approval" proving that the prophets are real and will forever be real. This greatly explains why there are so many scientific truths that have only just been proven today. In the Qur'an it does not have a single prediction or written word that contradicts with science today and never will.
BAHAIRULES 10 months ago
@BAHAIRULES You bringing science into this subject has nothing to do with the rest of your statement, but here you go, I believe you'll enjoy this read. (btw what sense does it make a all for the "seal of prophets" to be like a "seal of approval"?. Like many bahais before you who have argued with me, it lacks reason, and you ignore other facts that I've posted on this video.)
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Jetman082 10 months ago