?? RAM-stein ?? .. are you trying to tell everyone that you push stool, pack fudge, ride the Hershey Highway ?... haha OF COURSE YOU DO, stupid question on my part.
you wanna know how you can compare two cars? compare the amount you've spent. now compare the times. if the money spent on the cars differs a lot, then u shouldnt be comparing them.
The first point of muscle cars was to get lotta power for a cheap price. huge engines were meant to do that. therefore muscle cars have more capabilities of being tuned, than the Tuners. Exotics have the least capabilities of tuning due to the already extracted engine power.
Yeah, it will cost more to make a Civic a 10 second car. But if you wanted a hi revving sport compact track car then you build a Civic Type R.1.8L Civic swap 97 Civic EX 15K 230hp All motor mid 13's, 17K 280hp All motor Hi 12's. 20K 380hp Supercharged on stock internals mid 11's. 22K on a (GSR motor), 420+hp Turbo charged stock internals.low 11's 35K for a built motor Turbo carged 800hp 9 second Civic give or take. Why do that to a Civic? Because you can, its as simple as that. I like my VTEC:)
Hondas suck. You could never compare it to a true muscle car. Like motley was saying, his cars engine is so expandable. it takes you 20,000 dollars to equal his, which is extremely lame. v8's get less than 5 seconds, with top fuels, so just shut your fuckin face mcgeerf cause imports suck.
Imports suck because V8's get 4 second quarter mile times with Top Fuel Drag racing.
............ OK? I think you were making a point there or somthing. Either way, Id like to see you put a top fuel drag car on a Formula 1 race course. You know, really show how much Honda sucks. Cheers.
well back then when everything was right in the world and gas only cost 25 cents a gallon you didnt give a shit if your 450 Horse SS Chevelle only got 5-8mpg. so long as you could leave twin black streaks of rubber leaving the parking lot of your high school.
#4 Damn, Me being a Honda enthusiast playin' in the workshop since I was in 6th grade until this day could tell that the amount of time & money to built such a nice & fast Honda cost more than building a fast muscle car (by my standarts). And maybe U will know now that I am a car guy thats also a Honda enthusiast too, or not. Or let others decide,cos I dont worry much about it. Now Im gonna talk less and do more cos I hv this upcoming project a FD2 Jap-spec Type-R on my garage. Goodluck then!
#3 If You making comparison it's fine, but it's not like Honda is GOD and someday You'll know why (probably You already know Yourself). Btw besides the engine itself, Type-R car and 'some' VTEC engined car has great chassis rigidity, chassis balance, and nice steering response too, not to mention daily practicality/economy, etc bla bla bla etc. And yes You can make it to run around 9-11 sec all-motor.
So based on the Rumble, all should behold and know Chevy is the King?..... Im glad you like your Camaro.
The exhaust note change during VTEC on a Type R motor, is like nothing else on the road. Its the might of the underdog its the quickening effect of sweet VTEC thunder. It is the sound of Import Thunder. If Chevy is King, then Honda is GOD!
Get real... Even a Honda guy would not argue about V8 "rush" (not VTEC rush) when you ride one of these V8 rides.. Hondas have their own league (for example: JDM), and shouldnt be compared to V8s. The so-called VTEC Rush is such a bullshit from a 'ricer' (loser) tryin' to diss others. Also to make themselves look good (even with their shit car).
Dont you think I understand big Displacement V8's are in a leage of their own? So I compair V8's with twice and three times the displacement, and show how well these 4 cylinder cars compete. Making compairisons is the only way to understand the value of what you have. Dont even try to come on here like you know me, cause You dont. I am establishing a very good point here. I hope you can understand.
Well I think I'm gonna agre with your statement that VTEC is a key features in the Type-R, but there are others features worth mentioning too in a Type-R engine right? Its not fair that the other features aren't worth mentioning too. No I dont know You, but it is one of my point here. I am a Honda guy, but I am a Honda guy that bored with people too much mentioning the VTEC rush, VTEC exhaust note, etc...cos in the real world performance VTEC rush & exhaust note is not so important.
Me myself a proud Honda (fullytuned 400hp/1 ton all-motor street/time-attack car), Shelby Cobra GT500, and Chevy Camaro 454cu supercharged (900 hp)owner. By the way I'd like to remind You, when it comes to Hondas there are lot more things to look at & to embrace besides the so-called 'VTEC Rush'! Please don't be silly like that, You are a disgrace for the Real Honda Guys out there!
Ok, so honda's are shit cars, and the VTEC kick which is the whole point of Type R is not important or even worth mentioning. And you call your self a Real honda guy? Everyone from Top gear, to Car and Driver make comment to the uniqueness of VTEC. It is the key to which unlocks the untapped potential of these motors. You are damn right I use it in an argument.
If may I correct Hondas aren't shit car. It's the people that make it look like a shit car...okay. You said everyone from top gear to car and driver make comment to the uniqueness of VTEC, well from my point of view they make comments about it because its a strong marketing feature so much for Honda even today.
I love ignorance! Ok, yeah that 1.8 at 230hp ALL MOTOR is a 13.8 second Civic son. Find me an American 1.8L or even 2.0L Hell, a 2.4L that can do 230HP and 13.8 second time ALL MOTOR! Get a life, get a clue, get out of my face with that crap. Boy!
Fransenet,Well, you are a bit over estimated on your specs. Pro-AM FWD Civics are 9sec Civics at 800HP
Stephanie Eggum Civic which happens to be the fastest Civic in the world is a 7 second Civic, that car is in the 1100HP to 1200HP Terrority at about 11,000 RPM's give or take. Honda 1.8L 4 cylinder B18C rock on.
Fransnet, aucutally the B18C series motors the Black Valve Cover (GSR) is 180HP the Red valve (Type R) Cover is 205HP and the Yellow valve cover (Spoon) is 235HP. If the Valve cover is black with MUGEN on it well, thats probbably 800HP+ Keep it real now.
mcgeerf will u shut the fuck up about vtec! all ur civic type r produces is a measly 200 hp! any bmw m car or porsche boxer engine is much better than that piece of shit vtec! and woopy doo if it revs 2 9000 rpm that just means that your gonna go through more oil and petrol than engines where there power is low down! so plz be quiet
llantwitboy, typical rubbish. Ahem, The B18C-5 with bolt ons produces 230hp The K20A with bolt ons produces 250hp These motors are the most efficient durable and highest quality factory motors on the planet, next to the F20C, the B18C on stock internals can handle over 400HP!!! Boosted. Please dont run your mouth when you know nothing. Go through oil? I dont go through oil what are you talking about?
Check the specs and compair them dont cry when you are fininshed.
Why are you whining about hondas, who cares. Hondas are built to get from point a to point b, nothing more, they are disposable. Can handle 400hp on stock internals, whoooaaa, most modern motors can. Honda "tunerz" are the laughing stock of the car world.
04prox2 you know the guys at Top Gear dont agree with you. Neither do I. Again where are the 1.8L 4 cylinder (non turbo) motors that can handle 400+HP stock. Name one!..... Thats right you cant.
ROTARY, ofcourse it spins!!!! Its a ROTARY. Rotary engines are bad on oil consumption, fuel mileage, torque, and engine life. Honestly if you want hi revs that last you go Type R. You bashed my civic so I schooled you on it. Dont say ignorant things and I wont call you son.
Why is there a video here to post to? Why do you insist on being incrediably ignorant and bias. I however am knowledgeable as well as bias. The difference is, my bias based on wisdom. Yours is based on denial. Cheers.
ok first of all the 350sbc V8 was made for the CAMARO in 1967(the camaro is not a truck ..it's an american sports car)......oh and yes the B18C5 AND EVERY OTHER HONDA IS GAY YES IT'S GAY nascar is not gay i never sad that.....ok your b18c5 has 200 hp and a pussy 130ft lbs of torque...
Ahem, thats 230HP and guess what? The only way you are ever going to see 200HP+ out of an American 4 cylinder car is after its been turbo charged and or super charged. In the case of my car being gay, again I suppose all cars what rev hi, ahem... RACE CARS are gay in your little pitiful world.
the fox mustang you raced in the video is not a 7.5 liter..... no no! the 7.5 (460 cid) doesent even fit in the fox stang......ok your honda it's fast but you spent like 15 000$ just on that fuckin lawnmower engine......oh and look at your honda ..shiit it's a pussy honda even if it have 700hp it's just a fuckin ugly civic.....a muscle car it's not just fast but it's made for a MEN you know a MAN with a cock....bhahahaha your civic it's just like every other ricer : it RUBBISH........
So now lets see, first 200hp was trash, now 700hp is respectable, except you dont like the way the Civic looks. I happen to like the way the 97 Civic's looks. Not to say all the Civic body styles look good. I do agree with you about the looks of alot of Muscle cars they do look nice. I have always preferred the sleeper look myself. I prefer a quick and nimble sleeper powered by a Race engine. Not a big heavy Muscle car powered by a truck motor. Got gas?
by the way im NOT a redneck but that's true CARBURETOR IS THE BEST ...there is no better when i smoke an import with my CARURETED BIG INCH CHEVY CAMARO ........
So, basically in order for you to SMOKE all these 4 cylinder import tuner cars, you require at least 6.0L to get the job done that is sad at best. You know the displacement might not be much on my B18 Race motor, but its got some big ass pistons banging out the power at a sweet 9,000 rpms of VTEC thunder. Muscle guys like you dont know anything about that. Its a tuner thing.
i never sad an american 4 cyl can do 200hp n/a. i sad honda engines ar gay that's what i sad cuz it's like a lawnmower......when my 472sbc V8 rev about 7500rpm it's something else....you ever heard a V8 rev at 7500 rpm? hmm it's like a monster ....in american tradition there is no replacement for displacement.......and yes with over 640hp i smoke a lot of tuners/imports...actualy no one beat me since i got my new engine on my camaro( 2 years) (sorry my english is not good,im not american)
In the case of torque, it does not take much to move a 2500lb vehicle. Not only that but it has two torque peaks, 3,000 rpms and 7,300rpms it was specifically designed to be quick from a stop and quick on a shift. When shifting at 9,000 rpms the RPM's land on the second torque peak 7,300. Remember torque makes HP. This engine and transmission was designed well for its application.
VTEC THUNDER?????? c'mon....in your case you have to prove allways that your civic is fast....that's not my case cuz everyone knows that my camaro is one hell of a fast car.......cuz camaros are allways fast...just listen the rumble of that big inch small block and you know that
04prox You dont need to like it, but you should respect it. It is the anti-Muscle, it is the other side of the equation. The mighty underdog, race engines are NOT a dime a dozen, they are special and unique, there are many intangealbes which cannot be explained but at least now you understand the Civic Type R. Go and be at peace.
yeah and the SMALL BLOCK CHEVY V8 is the best performance engine family for over 50 years ......the easyest way to get real power! .....it's compact,reliable,strong,powerfull engine....just look at the nissan 240,mazda rx7 and every other engine swaps...they all got the SMALL BLOCK V8 ...why? cuz it's the best engine in the world.....the b18c5 is a good engine for lavnmowers!!
Now, the B18C-5 is a lawnmower engine. WOW you got such an imagination on you. Let me put it this way, not only do they not make them like they used to, but the NEVER MADE THEM THIS GOOD BEFORE! Japanese motors are just better so live with it.
please american people,dont built this kind of big,low power engine.race with our ferraro,lamborghini,bugatti,maserati,alfaromeo engine...half block,double hp.italy leader in the sport engine word
Don't you love how everyone loves to talk shit. pay respect where respect is due. imports, euro's, and american muscle all have great cars! this is coming from someone who has a honda and a 79 bandit trans am.
...... you have a honda????? ok, a honda what? No, let me guess a honda Accord and its your wifes car.
Tell me you at least have a Type R or somthing. If not then you dont understand why the Type R is so popular. Its like having a Ford focus and you are vouching for a Ford Mustang Cobra. You dont get it, if you dont got it. Rock on VTEC 9,000 rpms of sweet thunder.
hey man im not hating on honda's, like I said i have one and no its not my wifes car..lol. shit I know all about the type r,type s,aspec, vtec, mugen, jdm, all that shit. great stuff! all I was saying is imports,euro's,muscle cars, and so on are great each in there own way. respect good engineering. I have a muscle car but I don't hate on m3's,s2k's,enzo's...u got me
So, again what kind of Honda do you personally own? Do you own and drive the type R or do you just know about it. Is really what I am getting at here. I got what you are saying but I am simply requesting clarification on your position. Is it based off of first hand experience with Type R thunder or is it based off of what you know. Good work being open minded and appreciating different ways to be fast. I appreciate race motors, any number of cylinders.
Unfortunately I do not have the pleasure of owning a typeR. My friend has a yellow integra typeR with headers, intake, exhaust, short shift and acouple other bolt ons and I have driven it acouple of times (it's sweet), but no I do Not own a typeR. I chose to buy a muscle car for my first project. I would love to build a supra, z, or rx7 in the future. My daily driver, yes is an accord.lol, it is a vtec if that makes u happy. props to u for appreciating race motors with any number of cylinders
wow, you are out of touch with reality. I like race motors of any number of cylinders. I just happen to have a Civic Type R swap. Its the race motor I can afford. Not to mention the B series motors are some of the best factory motors in history. Do your thing, Ill do mine. 9,000 rpm's of sweet VTEC thunder rock on!
I like the aggressive exhaust note chage when you hit VTEC in a Type R motor, its like no other. You get a good exhaust like the Apexi Evo 2 and you got your self a winner.
Cool we can agree, Honda makes Race motors at a good price I can afford. Put one in a Civic and you got a race car. If you look at Ferrari and Compair their Modena 360 motor to the Honda Type R motors I think you will find alot of similarities. I like Hi revving race motors. Not to say a big V8 is not fast. But VTEC Top end power is just my type of power.
Number one, dont tell me to shut up. Opinions are voiced here in America. Number 2 I like what you are saying. Number 3 I just like the sweet feel of VTEC and 9,000 rpm's of Honda Type R thunder. If its not a Type R then its not a tight car.
These Cars were NOT build for some fast rounds on a track...These Cars were build to make wheelstands, to drive fast on a quater mile, build to BE OVER POWERED, BUILD TO MAKE NOISE...No cars for every days driving..BUT THATS WHY I LOVE THEM! Sorry for my bad english...i am just a german Muscle Car freak!!!
McGeeRF, just shut up ok? Dont you see the point? You cant compare Muscle Cars with other cars! Of Course, THEY ARE OVER POWERED, of course, they waste fuel! But it dosent matter! These are MUSCLE CARS, they have to be the way they are! They are a class for their own! Dont understand that?!?!?
Yes, and clutching to the wasted and wothless big block displacement or nothing mentality. Nearly unchaged after 40 years of cranking out the same tired and overused stock, of under-develped and under-powered truck motors. Historically are nothing more then a "cheap" stand in for their true and real RACE motor coutner parts. Again who really cares anymore about that type of product. But die hard Muscle car frantics with alot of money to waste, and not alot of thought in their minds.
You know Im just right, Why clutch on to these Truck motors like they mean anything. Why do you throw so many insults my way. I thought euro boys were supposed to be intelligent. Dont let this American show you up on class that would be embarrassing. Race motor, VTEC Type R or nothing. Go race your motor home I'm sure there is a hudge engine in that. LOL
Truck motor or RACE Motor, V8 or VTEC, BIG torque, or Hi revs, RWD or FWD, Guzzle gas or Sip gas, Regular motor oil or synthetic motor oil. Opinions are just like ass holes, everybody's got one. Fact, there is no motor as efficient as a Honda Type R motor. Why have anything else but the best? If its not a Type R then its not a tight car. Trucks tow, Cars go. Get your minds right.
McGeeRF--If you like Jap crap so much maybe you should move to Japan and you could see all of them you want. Sounds to me that the RF in you're sign in must stand for Retarded F---er!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mcgeerf y r u so obsessed with vtec engines! i think u cum in ur pants everytime u speak about it,yea fair enough they are amazing engines but they aint as gd as u make them out to be! the sound they make is foul, its a high pitched screaming noise! i'd much rather a low, lazy revving v8 or a ferrari soundtrack! oh yea and how old r u?
llantwitboy, simple enough its a matter of taste, any fool can tell the difference between a Type R motor and a ricer motor. When I hit VTEC and pour on the power its like no other. The "exhaust note changes" and belts out such a wonderfully "VIOLENT" sound. It screams WAKE UP BITCHES! This is the ROAR of a RACE motor, love it or leave it. In the face of this truth you all tremble in fear and denile. The sufferings of the ignorant, you can keep your lazy truck motor.
Case in point,1995 Ford Mustang Cobra 240HP 5.0L V8 13.8 sec car. Small block V-8 and thats IT! This is a joke! How much displacement do you muscle car guys need to make any power? Honda 98 B18C-5 Type-R I-4 in a Civic, 1.8L 230HP 13.8 sec car. The writing is on the wall. Get a clue you guys, honestly get a clue. What more needs to be said, Type R Honda VTEC its just better, Sweet VTEC thunder and 9,000 RPM's, don't blow a rod trying to keep up. RACE MOTOR not Truck motor.
If it looks like a Race motor, specs like a race motor, drives like a race car, then it is; To deny these truths is to deny reality. Beyond this is a foolish mind, lacking substance, and without the quantifiable intelligence for reason.
With all the basics aside it is obvious none other than a 1.8L RACE MOTOR could possibly contend with other cars that have, Turbo I-4, V-6, and V8 with more displacement. The truth and the lineage of the VTEC Type-R RACE MOTOR, decended from Formula 1 RACE Technology, is simply not contendable, Only by a foolish mind, and thoes who are in denial. You think I don't know what the Muscle Cars can do. Its not WHAT they can do, its HOW they do it, that I find underwhelming and sad.
ok, so these vtec motors are susposed to be crazy, what ever. you say that your car runs 13.8? thats pretty slow for that race engine if you ask me. all this crap like power per litre and weight difference all that should make your car crazy quick, but a 13.8? id put my money on any muscle any day.
Historically, race motors have been arround 100hp/Liter
VTEC unlocks up to and beyond 130hp/liter. Your argument, calling my car slow is just false. Look at the sports cars today. They are all arround 13.8 to 14.0 sec for 35,000 dollars. As I have pointed out eairler. For 65,000 dollars to 85,000 dollars you got 12 second times. Supercharged Mustang 5.4L is a 12.6 sec car. Super charge my Civic and Im a 12 sec car. Supercharged on stock internals, its faster.
Look how much displacement it takes For a Muscle car to GET fast. Yeah Muscle cars can be VERY fast. When the sky is the limit for displacement.
The fastest Civic is a 7.9 sec car. Beyond 12sec's its just not practical on the street. In the fantasy world you live in your not fast unless you are a 6sec car am I right. Delusion, and denial are your minds suffering; not mine.
Why VTEC cause it bridges the gap between street drivability and RACE CAR HI REV performance. The Boss 302 RACE vers, was not good on the street, bad idle and poor street drivability. Furthermore you can run high compression and boost on a VTEC motor. The VTEC broadens the tune-ability of the motor with out the worry of knock. GM tried their hand at making Variable Valve timing and they FAILED! They decided instead to just use a bigger motor.
take that VTEC crap else where. this is an american muscle vid. if you look closely, the title says AMERICAN MUSCLE, not Rice Racing. what type of fuel do those vtec motors run on anyway, uncle bens premium rice? them little pissen motors will never compare to american muscle. muscle is number one. silly ricers
American Muscle all right, thats where its at. Wow why would I think VTEC and 9,000 RPMS of PURE RACE ENGINE THUNDER could ever compair to a Big truck engine car.
34MPG and 13.8 sec car just seems right. Go back to the 70's and rediscover the Boss 302 Trans-am race vers. This is RACE ENGINE the Muscle car was nothing more then a cheap stand in for a real RACE MOTOR.
Yeah F1 motors idle at 8,000 and rev to 19,000 RPM's Where as my silly engine is a 9,000RPM revlimit. I dont see alot of cars that rev this high as well as make 130HP per liter. Its the best because nothing compairs with it (ALL MOTOR) liter for liter. If its not a type R then its not a tight car.
VTEC is the key to which unlocks the un used potential of the motor. Broadenes the tune-ability, extends the useful powerband. Allows for excellent street drivability with RACE ENGINE hi end Performance. Increases gas mileage, and lowers emissions. A car with out VTEC is like SUSHI with out the WASABI and SHISO HAPPA. Yeah I speak fluent Japanse too, Nippon no kuruma wa zettai ni ichiban, oboetoke kozo tachi.
Fransenet all RACE ENGINES are High Compression, High REV limit, Large CAM profile, Built like a brick tank and make AT LEAST 100HP per Liter ALL MOTOR. Yeah, you can't see that. There is no physician for the blind in mind.
i drive a m3 which wud ruin ur civic. and ur car is worth about 15 grand brand new so whoopy fuking doo, it is a nice car im not denying that but u think its the best and it just aint! so get a life gay boy
Ah yes the M3 you know BMW has been using the Variable Valve timing as well, that is a very nice car. I have alot of respect for BMW because they are making race CAR engines not truck engines. Calm down Mr witboy you are very stand-offish. 3.2L I-6 at 333HP similar to an Integra GSR motor.
i like how you have a child of Formula 1 Racing technology, but you run so slow 13.8 that is very slow and that is F1 racing technology i am not seeing it.
Fransnet, and a Honda S2000, Mazda RX8, Nissan 350Z, Subaru WRXSTI, Ford V8 Mustang, BMW M-3 are about 13.8 to 14.0 second cars. These are the cars in my class. Oh thats right, My car is a 4 cylinder ALL MOTOR and keeps up with all kinds of fast cars. Your argument is sad at best.
mcgeerf u are 1 sad cunt!!! all these people are saying that a big american muscle car is better than a honda civic and then u start going off on 1 about engine displacement and shit! get a life!
llantwitboy you are the (chief mouth runner) If I state facts dont get butt hurt ok. My Civic is the child of Formula 1 Racing technology from the Hi reving VTEC RACE engine, to the double wishbone suspension. Muscle cars are brutal, and powerful fast; Alas they are but a big truck motor in a car.
lol just becuase its a truck motor doesn't mean its not fast i have a 76 gmc sierra with a 397 chevy big block that tops out at 60 mph but gets there in less than 4 seconds on 35 inch tires that truck has more unsprung weight than any honda has sprung weight
Lurpy my boy, let me ask you this, how many rebuilds and sleved cylinders are we talking here. Your lovley 40 year old dinosaur is still running because it has been rebuilt numerous times. Who said Big Truck engine is not fast. I said its a lazy way to be fast. I prefere RACE MOTORS that "rock" not Truck motors that suck.
lol this car has bean in my familly for its whole life and not a single engine rebuild and its 396 not 397 sorry miss type plus it wasnt made to race my father built it for mud boging and hill climbing
Lurpy, FWD was developed on a race track, it allows for higher drive train effiency then RWD. Two vehicles of similar power the FWD vehicle will tend to be faster because of the higher effiency. The better control in the Rain Snow and Ice from FWD is for all thoes people who drive on the street in thoes conditions, crazy concept I know. Driving on the street I mean.
MY car runs low 13's and if i slap a super charger i would make a 460 horse moter and i would be running 12's and that would be under 10k so take your v-tec and stick it up your ass and stop commenting on this video if you do not like it then do not watch it go watch a honda video
Thats good, now I want you to drive your car 30 miles to work every day and back. What you don't do that? You mean you need another car that gets better gas mileage to use as your daily driver? Oh ok, well there is your other 10K. My estimate includes purchasing the car.
lol i think you forget that these american muscle cars are 40 -50 years old like my oldsmobile that has bean driven everyday by my gradfather who gave it to me and it still runs 1/4 miles in under 14sec.
Honestly Lurpy with gas prices where they are, and imports that run all over mustangs, Honda Type R and 9,000 RPM's of sweet VTEC thunder, I just dont get
the Muscle heads who drool over their Junker Truck motors the 60's are OVER! The Muscle car ERA is GONE!
Its time to move on, If its not a "Type R" then its not a tight car.
lol dont get me wrong i like foreign cars like nissan and mazda, but not hondas or subarus granted some of them are fast but i would like to see a civic or an sti lift its front wheels off the ground
And I would like to see any American muscle car REV out to 10,000 RPM's and make over 130HP per Liter on stock internals all motor. You want a RACE engine look for Honda Type R you want a Truck motor go American Muscle. You like an out dated platform, go pull a tractor truck engine boy.
Take any American non-turbo STOCK engine put 14PSI of Turbo boost and it falls apart! Take a Honda type R STOCK engine put 14PSI of turbo boost and it makes twice the power! Honda Stock internals are built for POWER so I dont give a damn about BIG torque and lug nuts, because if you can't take the POWER you just fall apart. Get a clue!
Big displacement and Big torque is crap for a light weight car. "Torque is the enemy." Top end power is the key for this platform. Front wheel drive was designed for better traction and control for the rain, ice, and snow, improved drivetrain effiency, gas mileage, and lighter weight. Less weight, and higher drivetrain effiency means faster on the track. Popping a wheely is the most useless thing you can do in a car. Lets all just sit back a moment and reflect on todays lessons shall we.
yeah yeah ricers........your favourite engine has 197hp (1997) but hey it have a mere 130 foot pounds of torque at 8000rpm its nothing.....i got that amount of torque at IDLE.. in my camaro and i got 514 horsepower ( 90hp/litre) all motor so...
Since my car weighs 2500lbs and it is equipped with a race geared transmission, I do not require the torque you do. 97 Civic W/motor swap 98 JDM B18C-5 Type R 1.8L 230HP 9000 RPM's (ALL MOTOR) and is a 13.8 second car. If I wanted it to be a 12 second car on (stock internals) I add a Super charger at 12 psi. Thats a 400HP 12 second car under 20K. You can keep your truck engine.
right... and my 40 year old oldsmobile cutlass does 1/4miles in under 14seconds completely stock if i add a new carburetor and supercharger then just whoop the shit out of your honda
Lurpy You supercharge yours I'll turbo mine we will see who's engine blows first. Front wheel drive sucks so much they developed it on the race track. I suppose fish tailing and loosing contol in the rain ice and or snow is cool, you can keep your crappy rear wheel drive. Rear wheel drive with "traction control" now thats do-able. 350Z anyone.
Lurpy As far as your Daddy's car goes, hats off to him. Sounds like he over built the motor and under tuned it. The vehicle must have been in constant use as well, you cant let them sit for years on end.
His maintenance must have been tip top as well.
You dont find alot of these 40 year old cars to last much beyond 100,000 miles before a rebuild. More due to the lubrication that was avalibile, and or the lack of use, then the motor its self.
right so if you want to drive a soup can that get good gas mileage and good traction in rain go with your hondas if you want spine snaping raw power go american muscle
how about the dodge srt-4 neon that whoops the shit out of crx's sti's and evo's its front wheel drive and light weight so i guess american cars have everything. and in case you were wondering rear wheel drive cars are the best for drag racing they get good launches and keap their speed well because 100% of the power goes to the rear wheels where as AWD get great launches but lose speed in the long run and front wheel drive just sucks at everything
Ok, first off the Dodge SRT-4 is some crap van motor with a turbo charger. It has less power and slower quarter mile times then the STI or Evolution. Not to mention my car makes the same power ALL MOTOR! as your precious SRT-4 With similar qurter mile times as the STI or Evo. 98 B18C-5 Type R 230HP @ 8500rpm's What fantasy world do you live in?
you want hp per liter how about the coblas ss 173 hp from a 2.4L while the civic has 140hp from a 1.8L. And you say american muscle falls apart when they get turbocharged i say bullshit people take 50 year old engines and put all kinds of chargers on them because they are big engines designed for high hp and torque now if you know anything about cars it is good to have an even amount of torque and hp torque is what gives your hp but i dont expect you to know that you being a honda fan
Lurpy the 140hp 1.8L motor Civic is (NONVTEC!)77.8 HP/L The Civic Si 197HP 2.0L motor Civic is (VTEC)98.5HP/Liter The Colbolt 2.4L 173hp is 72HP/Liter
The NONVTEC civic makes better effiency anyway what is your point?
Lurpyslurpy Again, light weight cars dont require massive amounts of torque, my smaller geared transmission and Hi reving RACE MOTOR make up for the lack of torque. Not to mention I have two torque peaks @3000rpm's and @7,300 RPM's It is more then enough to pull my car. I can spin the tires if I breath on the pedal. Try again.
well so in your opinion high reving motors are better than low revs and high torque to me lots of torque sounds beutiful and high reving sounds like crap but that is just opinion but when it comes to 1/4 mile times the fastest cars in the world are v-8's or bigger not i-4's
The age old question V-8 or VTEC. Well low revs are good for tractors. But a true RACE MOTOR is built to REV. You know, again when you want to extract the full potential out of a motor you need Higher RPM's and big Roller Cams. ALL RACE MOTORS do this.
I suppose you make an engine big enough then you might just be faster then a Honda I-4 Type R. More of a joke then a statement really. Go go truck motor! LOL.
wow. this is a pretty rediculous argument we have here. we all know that american muscle is where it's at, plain and simple, that's just how it is. real cars dont power the front wheels...they lift them!!! american muscle #1
That's not power, that's torque. Muscle is very good for that. Torque lets you wheelie, pull supertankers and crap like that. Power (HP, or kW if you're Euro) is what actually lets a car _move_.
And if you're wheelieing, you're not using most of the - relatively meagre- power that a US motor puts out.
ok you know nothing about cars a ls7 motor (7 litre) produces 505hp right out of the box. Now slap twin turbos and bolt ons now it is creating over 1000hp. foreign shit does not compare. speed kills, if you want to live forever, drive a honda
7 litres fo 505HP?! Shit, the VTEC 1.6 (B16B) puts out like 185hp. Which is more than 1.5x more hp per litre.
Dunno about Hondas, but the Mitsi 3000GTO can top 1000 HP with mods (stock is a 3l V6 twin turbo, 340bhp- again, about 1.5x as good in hp/litre) AND is 4WD, 4WS and has a decent engine note compared to most cars.
The B18C-5 Type R 1.8L (Stock)can handle 400+ HP or 12psi of boost. If you want it to make 1000HP you need Fully built Forged internals, VTEC killer Turbo CAMS, Alcohol Injection, T67 GODZILLA TURBO @40PSI of boost W 150 shot Nitrous, Hondata tuning to 10,000RPM's should get you there.... and dont forget the wheely bars, Rock on Honda! sub 10 second car.
hahaa what! european and japanese cars have much more power than muscle cars! the japanese can get 400 hp from a 2 litre engine, and u americans struggle 2 get 500 hp from a 8.3 litre engine. just admit it u havent got a clue!
llantwitboy STFU. European and Japanese cars suck. They're no math for American Muscle. They have no were near the power of American made engines. I will say Ferraris are nice cars but I would take a 69' Charger over that piece of shit any day.
llantwitboy ok and thoes are Supercars they cost over 200,000 dollars. Please sit down and review your life because if you need to spend that much on a car to be fast then either you are rich, have an extreemly low self esteem, or are a complete idiot. There are two kinds of cars in the world cars With VTEC and cars without VTEC. thanks but no thanks to over-priced non VTEC Supercars; And leave the bad language to yourself boy. This is a man talking, sit down and take heed.
guys at the end of the day european cars ruin any japanese or american car, simply because we know how 2 build cars properly, american engines are 2-3 times bigger than most european cars but they develop fuck all hp and the japanese engines are powerful but they need servicing all the time! so europeans rule!!
If you ever worked at a European car dealership or purchased a European car as of late, then you know they are utter rubbish. Japanese cars need servicing all the time? You mean mechanical valve adjustments and timing belts, ok its maintenance so what. I will take regular maintenance over gross failure any day.
America can do better, is what I am really driving at here. Trans-AM racing, NASA space program, Stealth technology. We build cars like a cheap pair of shoes, they are designed to fall apart in a few years, not to mention underpowered and with a bad interior.
Greed complacency and a lack of insight. Why else is Ford and GM going out of business. While Toyota and Honda are excelling. Facts are Facts gentlemen. I remain disapointed and look elsewhere for a quality product.
i want to say sumthing but dont get me wrong,hondas are good but muscle cars ar e good as well,i mean ima big fan of both,i like imports and muscle cars but i am more fond of camaro's,there fucking sick,there are hondas out there that can whip a muscle car and as well as muscle cars whippin a honda,the way i see it is that imports=good for drifting and muscle cars=drag racing
You honda guys crack me up this is america move to japan and let us muscle car guys live our lives, your cars are econo boxes not saying they cant be fast. anything can be fast just need a game plan and some money, but come on they still sound like angry bumble bee's... oh and america has the potential to make highly advanced cars if they wanted we invented fuel injection with the corvette, also you guys are supporting another country that bombed us years ago wtf is wrong with you?
Big White 666, ahem, interesting name, Yes Japan bombed us at pearl harbor YEARS AGO. America stopped supplying Japan with RAW materials. Japan took a gamble and it cost them, GET OVER IT! Ive been to Japan, nice place, Ive even lived there for a year, best year of my life. I suppose if I was anti-Japanese I would not want to admit they make better cars either.
IM not anti japanese so dont put words into my mouth, you like what you like end of story im supporting the economy, im not a redneck that lives down south either, if i had 300,000 dollars i would go get a lamborghini you like what you like, do your thing and ill do mine end of story. good luck to everyone building a car.
rammstein is a german band.
rammstein67350 3 years ago
americans car are shit.
rammstein67350 3 years ago
?? RAM-stein ?? .. are you trying to tell everyone that you push stool, pack fudge, ride the Hershey Highway ?... haha OF COURSE YOU DO, stupid question on my part.
roscoe85cj 3 years ago
Why? They're powerful and good looking. And they command more attention.
Jeffero77 3 years ago
American Muscle (i.e. V8s & horsepower) are the way it was meant to be!!! Excellent video!!! FUCK those rice-grinding import shit-boxes!!!
shakydbr 3 years ago 4
if you care about gas mileage, you probably have a vagina.
hillbilly460 3 years ago 6
V8s RULE!!! They get shity mileage, but they KICK-ASS!!! Keep 'em comin'!!!
shakydbr 3 years ago
awesome
bicepscrow 3 years ago
American MuscleCars Rule The Streets
Martin2Dog 3 years ago 2
American Muscle.....ALL DAY EVERY DAY
ICULOSN2a50Truk 4 years ago 2
american muscle all they way none of that jap crap that you can run on rice
schmoo121 4 years ago
mn qko i mn oreginalno
pe6yra 4 years ago
you wanna know how you can compare two cars? compare the amount you've spent. now compare the times. if the money spent on the cars differs a lot, then u shouldnt be comparing them.
The first point of muscle cars was to get lotta power for a cheap price. huge engines were meant to do that. therefore muscle cars have more capabilities of being tuned, than the Tuners. Exotics have the least capabilities of tuning due to the already extracted engine power.
wildbloodydragon 4 years ago 2
Yeah, it will cost more to make a Civic a 10 second car. But if you wanted a hi revving sport compact track car then you build a Civic Type R.1.8L Civic swap 97 Civic EX 15K 230hp All motor mid 13's, 17K 280hp All motor Hi 12's. 20K 380hp Supercharged on stock internals mid 11's. 22K on a (GSR motor), 420+hp Turbo charged stock internals.low 11's 35K for a built motor Turbo carged 800hp 9 second Civic give or take. Why do that to a Civic? Because you can, its as simple as that. I like my VTEC:)
McGeeRF 4 years ago
And that includes the purchase of the car....
Tires suspension ect ect.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
Hondas suck. You could never compare it to a true muscle car. Like motley was saying, his cars engine is so expandable. it takes you 20,000 dollars to equal his, which is extremely lame. v8's get less than 5 seconds, with top fuels, so just shut your fuckin face mcgeerf cause imports suck.
suprbird 4 years ago
Imports suck because V8's get 4 second quarter mile times with Top Fuel Drag racing.
............ OK? I think you were making a point there or somthing. Either way, Id like to see you put a top fuel drag car on a Formula 1 race course. You know, really show how much Honda sucks. Cheers.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
Nothing spunds as good as a BIG ASS CUBIC INCH American Iron
zipsterr 4 years ago
well back then when everything was right in the world and gas only cost 25 cents a gallon you didnt give a shit if your 450 Horse SS Chevelle only got 5-8mpg. so long as you could leave twin black streaks of rubber leaving the parking lot of your high school.
motley1989 4 years ago
ill vteck ur asses...............
vladyslav88 4 years ago
#4 Damn, Me being a Honda enthusiast playin' in the workshop since I was in 6th grade until this day could tell that the amount of time & money to built such a nice & fast Honda cost more than building a fast muscle car (by my standarts). And maybe U will know now that I am a car guy thats also a Honda enthusiast too, or not. Or let others decide,cos I dont worry much about it. Now Im gonna talk less and do more cos I hv this upcoming project a FD2 Jap-spec Type-R on my garage. Goodluck then!
AZN234 4 years ago
If you look in to the rest of my comments I did speak about many other qualities of the Type R motor. not just VTEC.
Glad you are a fan of Type R.
Good day.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
#3 If You making comparison it's fine, but it's not like Honda is GOD and someday You'll know why (probably You already know Yourself). Btw besides the engine itself, Type-R car and 'some' VTEC engined car has great chassis rigidity, chassis balance, and nice steering response too, not to mention daily practicality/economy, etc bla bla bla etc. And yes You can make it to run around 9-11 sec all-motor.
AZN234 4 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
what are the songs?
chevyissicknasty 4 years ago
All the import tuner sucks, Big time. MUSCLE CAR
ARE THE KING OF THE ROAD AND TRACK.
Juppi5 4 years ago
Make an intelligent argument, when your done dreaming.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
whats the names of that songs?
062091ricardo 4 years ago
cuz camaros are allways fast...just listen the rumble of that big inch small block and you know that CHEVY IS THE KING
peter355camaro 4 years ago
So based on the Rumble, all should behold and know Chevy is the King?..... Im glad you like your Camaro.
The exhaust note change during VTEC on a Type R motor, is like nothing else on the road. Its the might of the underdog its the quickening effect of sweet VTEC thunder. It is the sound of Import Thunder. If Chevy is King, then Honda is GOD!
McGeeRF 4 years ago
Get real... Even a Honda guy would not argue about V8 "rush" (not VTEC rush) when you ride one of these V8 rides.. Hondas have their own league (for example: JDM), and shouldnt be compared to V8s. The so-called VTEC Rush is such a bullshit from a 'ricer' (loser) tryin' to diss others. Also to make themselves look good (even with their shit car).
AZN234 4 years ago
Dont you think I understand big Displacement V8's are in a leage of their own? So I compair V8's with twice and three times the displacement, and show how well these 4 cylinder cars compete. Making compairisons is the only way to understand the value of what you have. Dont even try to come on here like you know me, cause You dont. I am establishing a very good point here. I hope you can understand.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
Well I think I'm gonna agre with your statement that VTEC is a key features in the Type-R, but there are others features worth mentioning too in a Type-R engine right? Its not fair that the other features aren't worth mentioning too. No I dont know You, but it is one of my point here. I am a Honda guy, but I am a Honda guy that bored with people too much mentioning the VTEC rush, VTEC exhaust note, etc...cos in the real world performance VTEC rush & exhaust note is not so important.
AZN234 4 years ago
Me myself a proud Honda (fullytuned 400hp/1 ton all-motor street/time-attack car), Shelby Cobra GT500, and Chevy Camaro 454cu supercharged (900 hp)owner. By the way I'd like to remind You, when it comes to Hondas there are lot more things to look at & to embrace besides the so-called 'VTEC Rush'! Please don't be silly like that, You are a disgrace for the Real Honda Guys out there!
AZN234 4 years ago
Ok, so honda's are shit cars, and the VTEC kick which is the whole point of Type R is not important or even worth mentioning. And you call your self a Real honda guy? Everyone from Top gear, to Car and Driver make comment to the uniqueness of VTEC. It is the key to which unlocks the untapped potential of these motors. You are damn right I use it in an argument.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
If may I correct Hondas aren't shit car. It's the people that make it look like a shit car...okay. You said everyone from top gear to car and driver make comment to the uniqueness of VTEC, well from my point of view they make comments about it because its a strong marketing feature so much for Honda even today.
AZN234 4 years ago
take the turbos off and see how fast that 1.8L goes. anywho.. v8s run 4 seconds with out turbos.. or supers.
gearhead2k6 4 years ago
I love ignorance! Ok, yeah that 1.8 at 230hp ALL MOTOR is a 13.8 second Civic son. Find me an American 1.8L or even 2.0L Hell, a 2.4L that can do 230HP and 13.8 second time ALL MOTOR! Get a life, get a clue, get out of my face with that crap. Boy!
McGeeRF 4 years ago
Yo Fuc*k that civic, this is about AMERICAN MUSCLE.
nls8520 4 years ago
ya but you forgot about the sivler type R it can handle 27000 hp at 97000 rpms think about that That prolly blows your fucking mind
fransenet 4 years ago
Fransenet,Well, you are a bit over estimated on your specs. Pro-AM FWD Civics are 9sec Civics at 800HP
Stephanie Eggum Civic which happens to be the fastest Civic in the world is a 7 second Civic, that car is in the 1100HP to 1200HP Terrority at about 11,000 RPM's give or take. Honda 1.8L 4 cylinder B18C rock on.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
you have to make sure that the type R is the red one because that adds an extra 50hp the green one is only an extra 10hp
fransenet 4 years ago
Fransnet, aucutally the B18C series motors the Black Valve Cover (GSR) is 180HP the Red valve (Type R) Cover is 205HP and the Yellow valve cover (Spoon) is 235HP. If the Valve cover is black with MUGEN on it well, thats probbably 800HP+ Keep it real now.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
fuck GM AND HONDA TO. MOPAR OR NO CAR!!
Juppi5 4 years ago
mcgeerf will u shut the fuck up about vtec! all ur civic type r produces is a measly 200 hp! any bmw m car or porsche boxer engine is much better than that piece of shit vtec! and woopy doo if it revs 2 9000 rpm that just means that your gonna go through more oil and petrol than engines where there power is low down! so plz be quiet
llantwitboy 4 years ago
llantwitboy, typical rubbish. Ahem, The B18C-5 with bolt ons produces 230hp The K20A with bolt ons produces 250hp These motors are the most efficient durable and highest quality factory motors on the planet, next to the F20C, the B18C on stock internals can handle over 400HP!!! Boosted. Please dont run your mouth when you know nothing. Go through oil? I dont go through oil what are you talking about?
Check the specs and compair them dont cry when you are fininshed.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
Why are you whining about hondas, who cares. Hondas are built to get from point a to point b, nothing more, they are disposable. Can handle 400hp on stock internals, whoooaaa, most modern motors can. Honda "tunerz" are the laughing stock of the car world.
04prox2 4 years ago
04prox2 you know the guys at Top Gear dont agree with you. Neither do I. Again where are the 1.8L 4 cylinder (non turbo) motors that can handle 400+HP stock. Name one!..... Thats right you cant.
9,000 rpms real RACE MOTOR PERFORMANCE! son.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
Wenkel rotary,actully think it's a 1.3, could have done without the son too, boy.
04prox2 4 years ago
ROTARY, ofcourse it spins!!!! Its a ROTARY. Rotary engines are bad on oil consumption, fuel mileage, torque, and engine life. Honestly if you want hi revs that last you go Type R. You bashed my civic so I schooled you on it. Dont say ignorant things and I wont call you son.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
you asked me to name another and I did, btw why are you even posting to this vid, this has nothing to do with econobox hondas
04prox2 4 years ago
yeah that's right WHY ARE YOU EVEN POSTING TO THIS VIDEO????????? these are muscle cars not shitty pussy honda!!!
peter355camaro 4 years ago
Why is there a video here to post to? Why do you insist on being incrediably ignorant and bias. I however am knowledgeable as well as bias. The difference is, my bias based on wisdom. Yours is based on denial. Cheers.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
ok first of all the 350sbc V8 was made for the CAMARO in 1967(the camaro is not a truck ..it's an american sports car)......oh and yes the B18C5 AND EVERY OTHER HONDA IS GAY YES IT'S GAY nascar is not gay i never sad that.....ok your b18c5 has 200 hp and a pussy 130ft lbs of torque...
peter355camaro 4 years ago
Ahem, thats 230HP and guess what? The only way you are ever going to see 200HP+ out of an American 4 cylinder car is after its been turbo charged and or super charged. In the case of my car being gay, again I suppose all cars what rev hi, ahem... RACE CARS are gay in your little pitiful world.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
the fox mustang you raced in the video is not a 7.5 liter..... no no! the 7.5 (460 cid) doesent even fit in the fox stang......ok your honda it's fast but you spent like 15 000$ just on that fuckin lawnmower engine......oh and look at your honda ..shiit it's a pussy honda even if it have 700hp it's just a fuckin ugly civic.....a muscle car it's not just fast but it's made for a MEN you know a MAN with a cock....bhahahaha your civic it's just like every other ricer : it RUBBISH........
peter355camaro 4 years ago
So now lets see, first 200hp was trash, now 700hp is respectable, except you dont like the way the Civic looks. I happen to like the way the 97 Civic's looks. Not to say all the Civic body styles look good. I do agree with you about the looks of alot of Muscle cars they do look nice. I have always preferred the sleeper look myself. I prefer a quick and nimble sleeper powered by a Race engine. Not a big heavy Muscle car powered by a truck motor. Got gas?
McGeeRF 4 years ago
by the way im NOT a redneck but that's true CARBURETOR IS THE BEST ...there is no better when i smoke an import with my CARURETED BIG INCH CHEVY CAMARO ........
peter355camaro 4 years ago
So, basically in order for you to SMOKE all these 4 cylinder import tuner cars, you require at least 6.0L to get the job done that is sad at best. You know the displacement might not be much on my B18 Race motor, but its got some big ass pistons banging out the power at a sweet 9,000 rpms of VTEC thunder. Muscle guys like you dont know anything about that. Its a tuner thing.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
i never sad an american 4 cyl can do 200hp n/a. i sad honda engines ar gay that's what i sad cuz it's like a lawnmower......when my 472sbc V8 rev about 7500rpm it's something else....you ever heard a V8 rev at 7500 rpm? hmm it's like a monster ....in american tradition there is no replacement for displacement.......and yes with over 640hp i smoke a lot of tuners/imports...actualy no one beat me since i got my new engine on my camaro( 2 years) (sorry my english is not good,im not american)
peter355camaro 4 years ago
yes i agree with you on the b18c5 engine n/a 200hp but any torque numbers??? 130ft lbs.
peter355camaro 4 years ago
In the case of torque, it does not take much to move a 2500lb vehicle. Not only that but it has two torque peaks, 3,000 rpms and 7,300rpms it was specifically designed to be quick from a stop and quick on a shift. When shifting at 9,000 rpms the RPM's land on the second torque peak 7,300. Remember torque makes HP. This engine and transmission was designed well for its application.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
VTEC THUNDER?????? c'mon....in your case you have to prove allways that your civic is fast....that's not my case cuz everyone knows that my camaro is one hell of a fast car.......cuz camaros are allways fast...just listen the rumble of that big inch small block and you know that
peter355camaro 4 years ago
Like I said, I dont have to prove anything, but in the case of driving and using my cars abilities no one expects it, I like it that way.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
ok the civic in the video is yours?
peter355camaro 4 years ago
Oh, and I could care less what a bunch of hypocrit, elitist brits think.
04prox2 4 years ago
Thats just it, they have no reason to like a Japanese car THAT MUCH unless it was worth liking.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
So because they like it why should I? Again, this vid has nothing to do with vtec, type r's or the like.
04prox2 4 years ago
04prox You dont need to like it, but you should respect it. It is the anti-Muscle, it is the other side of the equation. The mighty underdog, race engines are NOT a dime a dozen, they are special and unique, there are many intangealbes which cannot be explained but at least now you understand the Civic Type R. Go and be at peace.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
yeah and the SMALL BLOCK CHEVY V8 is the best performance engine family for over 50 years ......the easyest way to get real power! .....it's compact,reliable,strong,powerfull engine....just look at the nissan 240,mazda rx7 and every other engine swaps...they all got the SMALL BLOCK V8 ...why? cuz it's the best engine in the world.....the b18c5 is a good engine for lavnmowers!!
peter355camaro 4 years ago
Now, the B18C-5 is a lawnmower engine. WOW you got such an imagination on you. Let me put it this way, not only do they not make them like they used to, but the NEVER MADE THEM THIS GOOD BEFORE! Japanese motors are just better so live with it.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
Dude i love but wats the song?
fairlane61 4 years ago
I don't know the name of the song, but why must it be American Muscle Haters!??
demariojason 4 years ago
i love muscle
fairlane61 4 years ago
please american people,dont built this kind of big,low power engine.race with our ferraro,lamborghini,bugatti,maserati,alfaromeo engine...half block,double hp.italy leader in the sport engine word
sardosfish 4 years ago
that cost 10 times what a Z06 costs for equivelant performance, no thanks italy
04prox2 4 years ago
Don't you love how everyone loves to talk shit. pay respect where respect is due. imports, euro's, and american muscle all have great cars! this is coming from someone who has a honda and a 79 bandit trans am.
khanart 4 years ago
...... you have a honda????? ok, a honda what? No, let me guess a honda Accord and its your wifes car.
Tell me you at least have a Type R or somthing. If not then you dont understand why the Type R is so popular. Its like having a Ford focus and you are vouching for a Ford Mustang Cobra. You dont get it, if you dont got it. Rock on VTEC 9,000 rpms of sweet thunder.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
hey man im not hating on honda's, like I said i have one and no its not my wifes car..lol. shit I know all about the type r,type s,aspec, vtec, mugen, jdm, all that shit. great stuff! all I was saying is imports,euro's,muscle cars, and so on are great each in there own way. respect good engineering. I have a muscle car but I don't hate on m3's,s2k's,enzo's...u got me
khanart 4 years ago
So, again what kind of Honda do you personally own? Do you own and drive the type R or do you just know about it. Is really what I am getting at here. I got what you are saying but I am simply requesting clarification on your position. Is it based off of first hand experience with Type R thunder or is it based off of what you know. Good work being open minded and appreciating different ways to be fast. I appreciate race motors, any number of cylinders.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
Unfortunately I do not have the pleasure of owning a typeR. My friend has a yellow integra typeR with headers, intake, exhaust, short shift and acouple other bolt ons and I have driven it acouple of times (it's sweet), but no I do Not own a typeR. I chose to buy a muscle car for my first project. I would love to build a supra, z, or rx7 in the future. My daily driver, yes is an accord.lol, it is a vtec if that makes u happy. props to u for appreciating race motors with any number of cylinders
khanart 4 years ago
wow, you are out of touch with reality. I like race motors of any number of cylinders. I just happen to have a Civic Type R swap. Its the race motor I can afford. Not to mention the B series motors are some of the best factory motors in history. Do your thing, Ill do mine. 9,000 rpm's of sweet VTEC thunder rock on!
McGeeRF 4 years ago
ferarri makes the best sound of any car ever made!! especially the f430!
llantwitboy 4 years ago
I like the aggressive exhaust note chage when you hit VTEC in a Type R motor, its like no other. You get a good exhaust like the Apexi Evo 2 and you got your self a winner.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
Well, ok.... I think Honda is ok...they have some good cars...but only a few^^German,Italian and American cars, these are best in my opinion.
If you wanna have a real badass car, get a Porsche Carrera GT!
PS:Opinions are also voiced here in good old Germany!
HitHitBang 4 years ago
Cool we can agree, Honda makes Race motors at a good price I can afford. Put one in a Civic and you got a race car. If you look at Ferrari and Compair their Modena 360 motor to the Honda Type R motors I think you will find alot of similarities. I like Hi revving race motors. Not to say a big V8 is not fast. But VTEC Top end power is just my type of power.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
If you want a car for fast rounds on a track - dont buy a muscle car.
If you want a car that dont waste fuel - dont buy a muscle car.
If you want an easy drivable car for shopping tours an so on....- dont buy a muscle car.
If you want a luxury high tech car - dont buy a muscle car...
BUT! If you wanna have REAL fun - BUY A MUSCLE CAR!
HitHitBang 4 years ago
I Agree to disagree.
Number one, dont tell me to shut up. Opinions are voiced here in America. Number 2 I like what you are saying. Number 3 I just like the sweet feel of VTEC and 9,000 rpm's of Honda Type R thunder. If its not a Type R then its not a tight car.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
These Cars were NOT build for some fast rounds on a track...These Cars were build to make wheelstands, to drive fast on a quater mile, build to BE OVER POWERED, BUILD TO MAKE NOISE...No cars for every days driving..BUT THATS WHY I LOVE THEM! Sorry for my bad english...i am just a german Muscle Car freak!!!
MoPaR or NoCar^^
HitHitBang 4 years ago
Fuck MOPAR!!! GM PERFROMANCE ALL THE WAY.
Boondox710 4 years ago
McGeeRF, just shut up ok? Dont you see the point? You cant compare Muscle Cars with other cars! Of Course, THEY ARE OVER POWERED, of course, they waste fuel! But it dosent matter! These are MUSCLE CARS, they have to be the way they are! They are a class for their own! Dont understand that?!?!?
HitHitBang 4 years ago
Yes, and clutching to the wasted and wothless big block displacement or nothing mentality. Nearly unchaged after 40 years of cranking out the same tired and overused stock, of under-develped and under-powered truck motors. Historically are nothing more then a "cheap" stand in for their true and real RACE motor coutner parts. Again who really cares anymore about that type of product. But die hard Muscle car frantics with alot of money to waste, and not alot of thought in their minds.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
fuckkkk me! i cant believe how much of a gimp mcgeerf is!!!
llantwitboy 4 years ago
Wow the European, is back. Called me a gimp.
You know Im just right, Why clutch on to these Truck motors like they mean anything. Why do you throw so many insults my way. I thought euro boys were supposed to be intelligent. Dont let this American show you up on class that would be embarrassing. Race motor, VTEC Type R or nothing. Go race your motor home I'm sure there is a hudge engine in that. LOL
McGeeRF 4 years ago
Truck motor or RACE Motor, V8 or VTEC, BIG torque, or Hi revs, RWD or FWD, Guzzle gas or Sip gas, Regular motor oil or synthetic motor oil. Opinions are just like ass holes, everybody's got one. Fact, there is no motor as efficient as a Honda Type R motor. Why have anything else but the best? If its not a Type R then its not a tight car. Trucks tow, Cars go. Get your minds right.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
McGeeRF--If you like Jap crap so much maybe you should move to Japan and you could see all of them you want. Sounds to me that the RF in you're sign in must stand for Retarded F---er!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
moparbill 4 years ago
Moparbill, yeah Im going to Japan in June, Ya know Honda makes a Hemi too, only theirs is more sophisticated, its called a pentroof Hemi.
Japanese products are just better, and since you dont have an arugment Ill leave you to your hatred and denial.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
mcgeerf y r u so obsessed with vtec engines! i think u cum in ur pants everytime u speak about it,yea fair enough they are amazing engines but they aint as gd as u make them out to be! the sound they make is foul, its a high pitched screaming noise! i'd much rather a low, lazy revving v8 or a ferrari soundtrack! oh yea and how old r u?
llantwitboy 4 years ago
llantwitboy, simple enough its a matter of taste, any fool can tell the difference between a Type R motor and a ricer motor. When I hit VTEC and pour on the power its like no other. The "exhaust note changes" and belts out such a wonderfully "VIOLENT" sound. It screams WAKE UP BITCHES! This is the ROAR of a RACE motor, love it or leave it. In the face of this truth you all tremble in fear and denile. The sufferings of the ignorant, you can keep your lazy truck motor.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
This is stupid. I don't want to see photos, I want to see video.
beatusmongous 4 years ago
I agree with McGeeRF on the facts he presents
jcbiggar 4 years ago
Case in point,1995 Ford Mustang Cobra 240HP 5.0L V8 13.8 sec car. Small block V-8 and thats IT! This is a joke! How much displacement do you muscle car guys need to make any power? Honda 98 B18C-5 Type-R I-4 in a Civic, 1.8L 230HP 13.8 sec car. The writing is on the wall. Get a clue you guys, honestly get a clue. What more needs to be said, Type R Honda VTEC its just better, Sweet VTEC thunder and 9,000 RPM's, don't blow a rod trying to keep up. RACE MOTOR not Truck motor.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
The 4 nobel truths of the RACE MOTOR,
1) 11.0.1-13.0.1 High Compression (not limited)
2) 8,000-11,000 HIGH REV LIMIT (not limited)
3) Bullet-proof Internals, Strong Block
4) 100hp (or more) per Liter ALL MOTOR
If it looks like a Race motor, specs like a race motor, drives like a race car, then it is; To deny these truths is to deny reality. Beyond this is a foolish mind, lacking substance, and without the quantifiable intelligence for reason.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
With all the basics aside it is obvious none other than a 1.8L RACE MOTOR could possibly contend with other cars that have, Turbo I-4, V-6, and V8 with more displacement. The truth and the lineage of the VTEC Type-R RACE MOTOR, decended from Formula 1 RACE Technology, is simply not contendable, Only by a foolish mind, and thoes who are in denial. You think I don't know what the Muscle Cars can do. Its not WHAT they can do, its HOW they do it, that I find underwhelming and sad.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
ok, so these vtec motors are susposed to be crazy, what ever. you say that your car runs 13.8? thats pretty slow for that race engine if you ask me. all this crap like power per litre and weight difference all that should make your car crazy quick, but a 13.8? id put my money on any muscle any day.
jtsrace 4 years ago
Historically, race motors have been arround 100hp/Liter
VTEC unlocks up to and beyond 130hp/liter. Your argument, calling my car slow is just false. Look at the sports cars today. They are all arround 13.8 to 14.0 sec for 35,000 dollars. As I have pointed out eairler. For 65,000 dollars to 85,000 dollars you got 12 second times. Supercharged Mustang 5.4L is a 12.6 sec car. Super charge my Civic and Im a 12 sec car. Supercharged on stock internals, its faster.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
5.0L V-8 95 Mustang Cobra 240HP 13.8 sec car.
8.2L V-10 2007 dodge Viper 510HP 12.1 sec car.
Look how much displacement it takes For a Muscle car to GET fast. Yeah Muscle cars can be VERY fast. When the sky is the limit for displacement.
The fastest Civic is a 7.9 sec car. Beyond 12sec's its just not practical on the street. In the fantasy world you live in your not fast unless you are a 6sec car am I right. Delusion, and denial are your minds suffering; not mine.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
Why VTEC cause it bridges the gap between street drivability and RACE CAR HI REV performance. The Boss 302 RACE vers, was not good on the street, bad idle and poor street drivability. Furthermore you can run high compression and boost on a VTEC motor. The VTEC broadens the tune-ability of the motor with out the worry of knock. GM tried their hand at making Variable Valve timing and they FAILED! They decided instead to just use a bigger motor.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
take that VTEC crap else where. this is an american muscle vid. if you look closely, the title says AMERICAN MUSCLE, not Rice Racing. what type of fuel do those vtec motors run on anyway, uncle bens premium rice? them little pissen motors will never compare to american muscle. muscle is number one. silly ricers
jtsrace 4 years ago
American Muscle all right, thats where its at. Wow why would I think VTEC and 9,000 RPMS of PURE RACE ENGINE THUNDER could ever compair to a Big truck engine car.
34MPG and 13.8 sec car just seems right. Go back to the 70's and rediscover the Boss 302 Trans-am race vers. This is RACE ENGINE the Muscle car was nothing more then a cheap stand in for a real RACE MOTOR.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
Yeah F1 motors idle at 8,000 and rev to 19,000 RPM's Where as my silly engine is a 9,000RPM revlimit. I dont see alot of cars that rev this high as well as make 130HP per liter. Its the best because nothing compairs with it (ALL MOTOR) liter for liter. If its not a type R then its not a tight car.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
VTEC is the key to which unlocks the un used potential of the motor. Broadenes the tune-ability, extends the useful powerband. Allows for excellent street drivability with RACE ENGINE hi end Performance. Increases gas mileage, and lowers emissions. A car with out VTEC is like SUSHI with out the WASABI and SHISO HAPPA. Yeah I speak fluent Japanse too, Nippon no kuruma wa zettai ni ichiban, oboetoke kozo tachi.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
Fransenet all RACE ENGINES are High Compression, High REV limit, Large CAM profile, Built like a brick tank and make AT LEAST 100HP per Liter ALL MOTOR. Yeah, you can't see that. There is no physician for the blind in mind.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
i drive a m3 which wud ruin ur civic. and ur car is worth about 15 grand brand new so whoopy fuking doo, it is a nice car im not denying that but u think its the best and it just aint! so get a life gay boy
llantwitboy 4 years ago
Ah yes the M3 you know BMW has been using the Variable Valve timing as well, that is a very nice car. I have alot of respect for BMW because they are making race CAR engines not truck engines. Calm down Mr witboy you are very stand-offish. 3.2L I-6 at 333HP similar to an Integra GSR motor.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
i like how you have a child of Formula 1 Racing technology, but you run so slow 13.8 that is very slow and that is F1 racing technology i am not seeing it.
fransenet 4 years ago
Fransnet, and a Honda S2000, Mazda RX8, Nissan 350Z, Subaru WRXSTI, Ford V8 Mustang, BMW M-3 are about 13.8 to 14.0 second cars. These are the cars in my class. Oh thats right, My car is a 4 cylinder ALL MOTOR and keeps up with all kinds of fast cars. Your argument is sad at best.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
Mr European angry witboy, what do you drive and how fast is it?
McGeeRF 4 years ago
llantwitboy > Agreed
jtsrace 4 years ago
mcgeerf u are 1 sad cunt!!! all these people are saying that a big american muscle car is better than a honda civic and then u start going off on 1 about engine displacement and shit! get a life!
llantwitboy 4 years ago
llantwitboy you are the (chief mouth runner) If I state facts dont get butt hurt ok. My Civic is the child of Formula 1 Racing technology from the Hi reving VTEC RACE engine, to the double wishbone suspension. Muscle cars are brutal, and powerful fast; Alas they are but a big truck motor in a car.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
lol just becuase its a truck motor doesn't mean its not fast i have a 76 gmc sierra with a 397 chevy big block that tops out at 60 mph but gets there in less than 4 seconds on 35 inch tires that truck has more unsprung weight than any honda has sprung weight
lurpyslurpy 4 years ago
Lurpy my boy, let me ask you this, how many rebuilds and sleved cylinders are we talking here. Your lovley 40 year old dinosaur is still running because it has been rebuilt numerous times. Who said Big Truck engine is not fast. I said its a lazy way to be fast. I prefere RACE MOTORS that "rock" not Truck motors that suck.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
lol this car has bean in my familly for its whole life and not a single engine rebuild and its 396 not 397 sorry miss type plus it wasnt made to race my father built it for mud boging and hill climbing
lurpyslurpy 4 years ago
Lurpy, FWD was developed on a race track, it allows for higher drive train effiency then RWD. Two vehicles of similar power the FWD vehicle will tend to be faster because of the higher effiency. The better control in the Rain Snow and Ice from FWD is for all thoes people who drive on the street in thoes conditions, crazy concept I know. Driving on the street I mean.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
Fransenet, I dont dislike the video, I dislike people who run their mouths.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
MY car runs low 13's and if i slap a super charger i would make a 460 horse moter and i would be running 12's and that would be under 10k so take your v-tec and stick it up your ass and stop commenting on this video if you do not like it then do not watch it go watch a honda video
fransenet 4 years ago
Thats good, now I want you to drive your car 30 miles to work every day and back. What you don't do that? You mean you need another car that gets better gas mileage to use as your daily driver? Oh ok, well there is your other 10K. My estimate includes purchasing the car.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
lol i think you forget that these american muscle cars are 40 -50 years old like my oldsmobile that has bean driven everyday by my gradfather who gave it to me and it still runs 1/4 miles in under 14sec.
lurpyslurpy 4 years ago
Honestly Lurpy with gas prices where they are, and imports that run all over mustangs, Honda Type R and 9,000 RPM's of sweet VTEC thunder, I just dont get
the Muscle heads who drool over their Junker Truck motors the 60's are OVER! The Muscle car ERA is GONE!
Its time to move on, If its not a "Type R" then its not a tight car.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
lol dont get me wrong i like foreign cars like nissan and mazda, but not hondas or subarus granted some of them are fast but i would like to see a civic or an sti lift its front wheels off the ground
lurpyslurpy 5 years ago
And I would like to see any American muscle car REV out to 10,000 RPM's and make over 130HP per Liter on stock internals all motor. You want a RACE engine look for Honda Type R you want a Truck motor go American Muscle. You like an out dated platform, go pull a tractor truck engine boy.
McGeeRF 5 years ago
Take any American non-turbo STOCK engine put 14PSI of Turbo boost and it falls apart! Take a Honda type R STOCK engine put 14PSI of turbo boost and it makes twice the power! Honda Stock internals are built for POWER so I dont give a damn about BIG torque and lug nuts, because if you can't take the POWER you just fall apart. Get a clue!
McGeeRF 5 years ago
Big displacement and Big torque is crap for a light weight car. "Torque is the enemy." Top end power is the key for this platform. Front wheel drive was designed for better traction and control for the rain, ice, and snow, improved drivetrain effiency, gas mileage, and lighter weight. Less weight, and higher drivetrain effiency means faster on the track. Popping a wheely is the most useless thing you can do in a car. Lets all just sit back a moment and reflect on todays lessons shall we.
McGeeRF 5 years ago
yeah yeah ricers........your favourite engine has 197hp (1997) but hey it have a mere 130 foot pounds of torque at 8000rpm its nothing.....i got that amount of torque at IDLE.. in my camaro and i got 514 horsepower ( 90hp/litre) all motor so...
peter355camaro 4 years ago
Since my car weighs 2500lbs and it is equipped with a race geared transmission, I do not require the torque you do. 97 Civic W/motor swap 98 JDM B18C-5 Type R 1.8L 230HP 9000 RPM's (ALL MOTOR) and is a 13.8 second car. If I wanted it to be a 12 second car on (stock internals) I add a Super charger at 12 psi. Thats a 400HP 12 second car under 20K. You can keep your truck engine.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
right... and my 40 year old oldsmobile cutlass does 1/4miles in under 14seconds completely stock if i add a new carburetor and supercharger then just whoop the shit out of your honda
lurpyslurpy 4 years ago
Lurpy You supercharge yours I'll turbo mine we will see who's engine blows first. Front wheel drive sucks so much they developed it on the race track. I suppose fish tailing and loosing contol in the rain ice and or snow is cool, you can keep your crappy rear wheel drive. Rear wheel drive with "traction control" now thats do-able. 350Z anyone.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
lol well you dont race in rain or ice so much for developed on the track
lurpyslurpy 4 years ago
Lurpy As far as your Daddy's car goes, hats off to him. Sounds like he over built the motor and under tuned it. The vehicle must have been in constant use as well, you cant let them sit for years on end.
His maintenance must have been tip top as well.
You dont find alot of these 40 year old cars to last much beyond 100,000 miles before a rebuild. More due to the lubrication that was avalibile, and or the lack of use, then the motor its self.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
daddy's car? lol how bout grand daddy's car
lurpyslurpy 4 years ago
right so if you want to drive a soup can that get good gas mileage and good traction in rain go with your hondas if you want spine snaping raw power go american muscle
lurpyslurpy 4 years ago
how about the dodge srt-4 neon that whoops the shit out of crx's sti's and evo's its front wheel drive and light weight so i guess american cars have everything. and in case you were wondering rear wheel drive cars are the best for drag racing they get good launches and keap their speed well because 100% of the power goes to the rear wheels where as AWD get great launches but lose speed in the long run and front wheel drive just sucks at everything
lurpyslurpy 4 years ago
Ok, first off the Dodge SRT-4 is some crap van motor with a turbo charger. It has less power and slower quarter mile times then the STI or Evolution. Not to mention my car makes the same power ALL MOTOR! as your precious SRT-4 With similar qurter mile times as the STI or Evo. 98 B18C-5 Type R 230HP @ 8500rpm's What fantasy world do you live in?
McGeeRF 4 years ago
you want hp per liter how about the coblas ss 173 hp from a 2.4L while the civic has 140hp from a 1.8L. And you say american muscle falls apart when they get turbocharged i say bullshit people take 50 year old engines and put all kinds of chargers on them because they are big engines designed for high hp and torque now if you know anything about cars it is good to have an even amount of torque and hp torque is what gives your hp but i dont expect you to know that you being a honda fan
lurpyslurpy 4 years ago
Lurpy the 140hp 1.8L motor Civic is (NONVTEC!)77.8 HP/L The Civic Si 197HP 2.0L motor Civic is (VTEC)98.5HP/Liter The Colbolt 2.4L 173hp is 72HP/Liter
The NONVTEC civic makes better effiency anyway what is your point?
McGeeRF 4 years ago
Lurpyslurpy Again, light weight cars dont require massive amounts of torque, my smaller geared transmission and Hi reving RACE MOTOR make up for the lack of torque. Not to mention I have two torque peaks @3000rpm's and @7,300 RPM's It is more then enough to pull my car. I can spin the tires if I breath on the pedal. Try again.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
well so in your opinion high reving motors are better than low revs and high torque to me lots of torque sounds beutiful and high reving sounds like crap but that is just opinion but when it comes to 1/4 mile times the fastest cars in the world are v-8's or bigger not i-4's
lurpyslurpy 4 years ago
The age old question V-8 or VTEC. Well low revs are good for tractors. But a true RACE MOTOR is built to REV. You know, again when you want to extract the full potential out of a motor you need Higher RPM's and big Roller Cams. ALL RACE MOTORS do this.
I suppose you make an engine big enough then you might just be faster then a Honda I-4 Type R. More of a joke then a statement really. Go go truck motor! LOL.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
wow. this is a pretty rediculous argument we have here. we all know that american muscle is where it's at, plain and simple, that's just how it is. real cars dont power the front wheels...they lift them!!! american muscle #1
jtsrace 5 years ago
That's not power, that's torque. Muscle is very good for that. Torque lets you wheelie, pull supertankers and crap like that. Power (HP, or kW if you're Euro) is what actually lets a car _move_.
And if you're wheelieing, you're not using most of the - relatively meagre- power that a US motor puts out.
uberdeity 4 years ago
derrrr u americans can't admit that u can't make cars properly!ur all fat and have shit lives !
llantwitboy 5 years ago
ok you know nothing about cars a ls7 motor (7 litre) produces 505hp right out of the box. Now slap twin turbos and bolt ons now it is creating over 1000hp. foreign shit does not compare. speed kills, if you want to live forever, drive a honda
fransenet 5 years ago
7 litres fo 505HP?! Shit, the VTEC 1.6 (B16B) puts out like 185hp. Which is more than 1.5x more hp per litre.
Dunno about Hondas, but the Mitsi 3000GTO can top 1000 HP with mods (stock is a 3l V6 twin turbo, 340bhp- again, about 1.5x as good in hp/litre) AND is 4WD, 4WS and has a decent engine note compared to most cars.
uberdeity 4 years ago
The B18C-5 Type R 1.8L (Stock)can handle 400+ HP or 12psi of boost. If you want it to make 1000HP you need Fully built Forged internals, VTEC killer Turbo CAMS, Alcohol Injection, T67 GODZILLA TURBO @40PSI of boost W 150 shot Nitrous, Hondata tuning to 10,000RPM's should get you there.... and dont forget the wheely bars, Rock on Honda! sub 10 second car.
McGeeRF 4 years ago
hahaa what! european and japanese cars have much more power than muscle cars! the japanese can get 400 hp from a 2 litre engine, and u americans struggle 2 get 500 hp from a 8.3 litre engine. just admit it u havent got a clue!
llantwitboy 5 years ago
llantwitboy STFU. European and Japanese cars suck. They're no math for American Muscle. They have no were near the power of American made engines. I will say Ferraris are nice cars but I would take a 69' Charger over that piece of shit any day.
Charger746 5 years ago
My lugnuts require more torque than any Vtec could produce American Muscle #1
fransenet 5 years ago
derrrr u must be a fat american cunt who weighs about 50 stone!
llantwitboy 5 years ago
mcgeerf wat a sad cunt u r! oh and btw ferraris, maseratis and lambos sound better than muscle cars!
llantwitboy 5 years ago
llantwitboy ok and thoes are Supercars they cost over 200,000 dollars. Please sit down and review your life because if you need to spend that much on a car to be fast then either you are rich, have an extreemly low self esteem, or are a complete idiot. There are two kinds of cars in the world cars With VTEC and cars without VTEC. thanks but no thanks to over-priced non VTEC Supercars; And leave the bad language to yourself boy. This is a man talking, sit down and take heed.
McGeeRF 5 years ago
guys at the end of the day european cars ruin any japanese or american car, simply because we know how 2 build cars properly, american engines are 2-3 times bigger than most european cars but they develop fuck all hp and the japanese engines are powerful but they need servicing all the time! so europeans rule!!
llantwitboy 5 years ago
If you ever worked at a European car dealership or purchased a European car as of late, then you know they are utter rubbish. Japanese cars need servicing all the time? You mean mechanical valve adjustments and timing belts, ok its maintenance so what. I will take regular maintenance over gross failure any day.
McGeeRF 5 years ago
America can do better, is what I am really driving at here. Trans-AM racing, NASA space program, Stealth technology. We build cars like a cheap pair of shoes, they are designed to fall apart in a few years, not to mention underpowered and with a bad interior.
Greed complacency and a lack of insight. Why else is Ford and GM going out of business. While Toyota and Honda are excelling. Facts are Facts gentlemen. I remain disapointed and look elsewhere for a quality product.
McGeeRF 5 years ago
i want to say sumthing but dont get me wrong,hondas are good but muscle cars ar e good as well,i mean ima big fan of both,i like imports and muscle cars but i am more fond of camaro's,there fucking sick,there are hondas out there that can whip a muscle car and as well as muscle cars whippin a honda,the way i see it is that imports=good for drifting and muscle cars=drag racing
kingjosh203 5 years ago
You honda guys crack me up this is america move to japan and let us muscle car guys live our lives, your cars are econo boxes not saying they cant be fast. anything can be fast just need a game plan and some money, but come on they still sound like angry bumble bee's... oh and america has the potential to make highly advanced cars if they wanted we invented fuel injection with the corvette, also you guys are supporting another country that bombed us years ago wtf is wrong with you?
bigwhite666 5 years ago
Big White 666, ahem, interesting name, Yes Japan bombed us at pearl harbor YEARS AGO. America stopped supplying Japan with RAW materials. Japan took a gamble and it cost them, GET OVER IT! Ive been to Japan, nice place, Ive even lived there for a year, best year of my life. I suppose if I was anti-Japanese I would not want to admit they make better cars either.
McGeeRF 5 years ago
IM not anti japanese so dont put words into my mouth, you like what you like end of story im supporting the economy, im not a redneck that lives down south either, if i had 300,000 dollars i would go get a lamborghini you like what you like, do your thing and ill do mine end of story. good luck to everyone building a car.
bigwhite666 5 years ago
bigwhite666 I underestimated you, well spoken. As far as the an