The Gulf Of Tonkin was the event that started the Vietnam war, where 58,000 American Soldiers were killed.
In a major revision of US military history in 1995, former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara said he believed the Gulf of Tonkin torpedo attack never occurred.
We call that a false flag attack, A staged event as a pretext to invade another country.
Many Americans believed the event was staged and were called conspiracy theorist and laughed at.
if you should get anything about the gulf of tonkin incident, it should be that the US government has LIED about things to push us into a war. they definately did lie about the gulf of tonkin incident, and over 50,000 american troops and over 4 million vietnamese were killed, over a lie. if they lied to you once, they will lie again, and guess what? we are fighting a war that the vast majority of americans are against now. they will keep lying
I googled gulf of tonkin - Oh my gosh I did not know that. Scary!!!! Our country so desperately needs to wake up and start researching for ourselves. "Knowledge is power" and "The truth will set you free".
In times of change, the Patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot.
Rosie ODonnel is brave, hated and scorned, shes a Patriot. If you hate her and beleive the official 911 story, write the date down on paper and write you beleive the official story and scorn those that stand up. Years from now look at it, and dont claim you knew it was and inside job but say you scorned those that did
The British sailors being captured made it wall to wall in the news, everyone knew about it, the recent acknowledgment they had been in fact inside Iranian waters didnt make it in the headline news hardly anyone knows the navy and media were lying to the public when saying they were in international waters.
She is right, some people is just being a hater, because they can't handle the truth about the their beloved country doing evil things. They think they are good Americans and that would make the people who governs them are also good people.
If you ask Rosie what she said five minutes after saying it. She wouldn't be able to tell you. Her mind is like a mindless abyss, she would make any lame ass comment just for the sake of getting attention.
All celebrities need to shut the fuck up and stay out of politics! Maybe try and make a decent movie or show once in a while but please don't insult people by trying to tell us what we need to think you jackasses.
well maybe i was a bit harsh bt at the end of the day one woman is not gonna be able to change the world if she has some good ideas then maybe she should be making frineds to support her instead of being an idiot and making enemies! i know not all americans r like that in fact its more of a minority that r the morons!
rosie is disgusting and ignorant. her extremist rant about being in iranian waters is based subjectively on information presented by the iranian government. she is a disgrace. please shut up.
Rosie Odonnel doesent even know what the hell shes talking about The irainians captured those sailors in international waters which is a violation of the geneva conventions but yet most people now or days give the benifit of the doubt to terrorists rather then supporting our troops god damn traitor liberals
i dont really care for rosie but its true it was a goverment thing they put bombs all over those buildings only two planes hit and they were not american arlines but u.s. military for a reason to go in those two countrys oil and are doller saddom said he will sale only in e.u. not dollers anymore o iran just said the same thing
Ingbnestn is an idiot himself. All she is saying is to not take everything your governments say at face value. They lied in the past about things just like the brit soldiers, they'll lie again. Do your research.
Fat, stupid, and insane is no way to go through life. Your 15 minutes is well up. The interview with O'Reilly were she was scared shitless was the best, she is a total coward when she can not manipulate or over-talk her opponent, just like most socialists.
Why do people bash the people who attack the terrorist more than the actually terrorist? I've yet to hear an answer to this question. People have the nerve to call Bush a Fascists when UBL, the Iranian regime, and the Taliban are the ones repressing rights of their people. In Iran, the press isn't even free to print what they want. There is clearly a double standard when it comes to international politics. The US=evil The terrorists=victims--to many people like fat Rosie.
Because we also fuel and fund more terrorism. It's called a double standard, and it's a part of our new "redirection" in foreign policy in fighting Iran, Syria and Hezbollah. While we fight al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, we fund Sunnis in Lebanon and aid Saudi Arabia who then put money into Sunni Extremists. Some of these have alleged ties with al-Qaeda (Sunni), does the Administration care? Hell no. But people like you don't realize this, logic and reason are two unknown keywords to you.
Do you believe that the terrorist are right to destroy their country? According to you, it's the US fault for everything. And you have the nerve to talk about double standard. The terrorist kidnap and behead civillians, post it on internet, and all you rant about is Zionists, Neocons, and AIPAC. In your biased mind, the terrorists are never at fault. Tell that to those eporters who get beheaded for overing the conflict. Tell that to the children who get kidnapped and used as human bombs. SMH
Our presence is evidently not doing any good as the civil war is bloodier than ever now, don't you read the papers? We've even got Shiite vs. Shiite violence, and that's very bad. What are we still doing there? The war was started on a propaganda campaign built on lies, it's totally gone out of our hands is costing is Billions of Dollars and the lives of our fellow Americans, yet our President insists we stay, and not only that, send more troops over, and get caught up in the civil war.
Also, of course I talk about the neoconservatives and AIPAC (or rather, the Israel Lobby) because they are two main components behind the Iraq-war. Nobody else wanted the war more than they did. Now they're pushing us into war with Iran, which explains our aggressive attitude towards them while entirely ignoring Israel, India and Pakistan, and also us doing covert operations in Iran. Bush won't leave office without having "dealt" with Iran, eg. a regime change, almost like in 1953.
I seriously doubt Bush will deal with Iran. He's exhausting all diplomatic measures, and is involved in 2 major wars. Again I ask, what do you think about savages who blow up police stations, marketplaces, and schools? What about the animals who kidnap reporters, civillian contractors, and rival religious sects only to behead them and post it on internet? And the fucked up thing is that they never get condemned by anyone. Why do they get a free pass to act like savages? Biased maybe?
Rosie is so full of shit, maybe that is why she is so big. She is so quick to criticize our goverment and embrace totalitarism, it is almost funny. Of course it is the US fault, no matter what happens in the world, people like her spin it so that we are responsible. It was the Goverment's fault that 9-11 happened, Bush is also responsbile for the 06 summer war in Lebanon, and Cheney is responsible for the Bird Flu epidemic.
She's not saying it's the government's fault... she's just saying that there's a possibility that it could be and to not do any research and march on like sheep the the slaughterhouse is just plain dumb. She's encouraging research.I HOPE she's proven wrong, but lets at least research it. This is america after all!
she is plainly implying that the Bush Government staged the 9-11 attacks, which is ludicrous. Conspirarcy theorist such as her can never be pacified by facts, which are always spun to their advantage. To even engage such theorists is dumb, sort of like challenging a mentally retarded child to a game of chess.
To question an idiot expecting to get a rational answer is quite dumb. People who have an agenda often spin the facts, that goes both for the neo-cons and the far left liberals. To entertain such people with a debate is futile because certain people treat facts as if they were meaningless bits of information that can be contorted toward whatever agenda.
she doesn't have an agenda.. why agenda would she have? what greater purpose is she serving? an agenda tends to be something where lots of people stand to gain lots of things... i don't see the connection.
She obviously has a anti-bush agenda. Have you not listen to her fat ass ramble? She is obviously a far-left liberal with a secular-progessive agenda. The media is full of these types whose sole purpose is to undermine the Bush Goverment. And no I am not an ardent Bush supporter--I am just not blind to what's going on.
Anyone with a little understanding of reality and the dangers of Bush's AIPAC'd and NeoConned foreign policy probably have an "anti-Bush" agenda according to you.
so you believe that Bush orchestrated 9-11? Bin laden admitted that he orchestrated attacks. I'm not saying that Bush is perfect (I didn't even vote for him), but to blame the man for everything wrong in the world is stupid. Get a grip people! You know its bad when more people criticize Bush for going after extremists, who kill civillians purposely, than the extremists themselves. When was the last time someone protested Al Queda who target schools, markets, and police?
I'm not saying Bush orchestrated 9-11, I'm saying it's fishy the Government don't care to address the critics, and then we've got cheering Israelis/Mossad agents on the day of 9-11, etc. There's lots of stuff to investigate, but just like the VERY fishy JFK assassination, the Government points at the 9-11 Commission Report as the ultimate proof. Bush himself is being pressured by Extremists, eg. the ones in AIPAC. He's no honest leader, he's a corrupted and bribed President.
well I can't deny that he is corrupt, but what US president wasn't? I think that Bush and Clinton were both incopentent when it came to confronting alqueda, and we paid for it. A lot of people comfuse incompetence with the term "inside job".
Many U.S. presidents in U.S. history has tried to defeat the corrupt and evil powers currently dictating the U.S. Why do you think all Lincoln was assassinated? Or Garfield? Or Kennedy? All these men had something in comnon - they fought the International Bankers and the FED.
lincoln was assasinated because many people looked at him like how you view Bush. History has proved that Lincoln's policies (which were similar to Bush's) were needed during a troubled period. People in the South hate Lincoln to this day. You are truly blind if you think that Bush is the only corrupt president. Absolute power (Dictators and Kings) breeds corruption, and even soft power (president) often leads to certain amounts of corruption.
Lincoln was assassinated because he was in a battle with the International bankers, those who strived for a privately owned Central Bank, which we today call FED. The assassinator had even admitted high powers in Europe would help him if he got caught, because he was acting for the benefit of their interests. The same applies to President Garfield.
Lincoln was assasinated because of the war in the South. People compare Bush to Lincoln because both were involved in unpopular wars and had unpopular policies. Lincoln also spied on Americans during those turbulent times, and many in South see him as a war criminal. You keep insuinating that Bush is this facist, when all he is doing is fighting terrorists who attacked us on 9-11 for no reason. Why don't you and people like you ever criticize the terrorist? hypocrisy maybe?
Hardly. The statement made by Booth about his European financiers speaks for itself. Just like in the case of Garfield, and possibly Kennedy, Lincoln was assassinated because the power and influence of European International bankers was at stake. Lincoln opposed their action. I've never thought of Bush as a "fascist", no, he's just a sell-out. He's acting on the behalf of AIPAC and Israel, that doesn't mean he's a fascist though. 9-11 has nothing with Iraq to do, nor Iran.
Lincoln was assasinated by a Confederate sympathizer who blamed Lincoln for the destruction of the south. Personally I like Lincoln because he was a strong leader during a difficult period. Bush is the same in that he refuses bow to terrorist like Europe. The terrorist have a free haven in Europe, who wont even allow there troops to engage Taliban in Afgansistan (France and Germany mainly). Iran supports Shia Terror groups and Iraq did kicked inspectors out and defied 17 UN resolutions.
We all know who assassinated Lincoln, the subject is why and who backed him. Presidential assassination was nothing new to the International Bankers, they would do it again later to Garfield and (possibly) Kennedy. They're a ruthless group of vampires. Bush's actions is only creating more terror, Iraq is a failure and attacking Iran would be even worse. Bush is just a puppet. That's what he is. He can't say shit to the people who control him and get him to advance the interests of their agenda.
Bush is not the best president, but he is far from the worst. At least he aggresively attacks terrorists unlike so many others. You are trying to make Lincoln's assasination bigger than what it was. Booth was mad because the South lost and nothing more. Iraq is a failure because of the terrorists who blow up schools and marketplaces indiscriminately. Why don't you bash them for a change?
Bush is one of the worst Presidents ever, in my and many others' opinion. No, he doesn't "attack terrorists", he's fueling more terrorism and hatred towards U.S. because of his shitty NeoConned pro-Israeli foreign policy, the Founding Fathers are probably turning in their graves out of madness when they see Bush's policy - they, unlike him, were real American Patriots with a real interest in Freedom, Democracy and Justice. And no, it doesn't explain Booth's comment about his backers.
So by attacking terrorists who attacked us is fueling terrorism? what should he do? Bow down do him? Why don't u ever condemn the terrorists? Maliki's government was voted in by the people of Iraq, and the Sunni insurgents are attempting to destroy that govermnet. Whether u like it or not, the US has liberated more people than all of the countries in the world combined. All the terrorist do is kill innocents because Allah will give them 72 virgins in heaven lol.
No, by getting the hell out of Iraq, for one thing, and stop bashing Iran, Syria and other nations the NeoCons and Israel would like to have attacked. This is no longer a question about terrorism, it's a question about serving another nation's national and security interests and also, securing the oil in the region. There's a civil war in Iraq ATM, U.S. soldiers have no reason to stay there and die or get maimed. It's not funny, you know, when our soldiers die. You don't seem to care though.
YOu do realize that Sadaam violated UN resolutions at least 17 times and kicked weapon inspectors out? Of course we thought he had WMD's. If our soldiers left Iraq now, the Sunni-Shite bloodletting would only get worse. Again I ask you, why don't you ever bash insurgents? If US troops blew up schools, markets, and beheaded people and posted it on the internet you would probably have a seizure.
Saddam violating UN doesn't prove shit, we had supported him in the past, eg. against the Iranians when we provided him with woth weapons, money and most importantly moral support. At that time, he was pulling the same shit both towards the Iranians and the Kurds, yet we never complained about his dictatorship. If we left Iraq now, OUR troops would save their lives and us a lot of money, the Iraqis want to see us leave and the civil war with go on WITH or WITHOUT or presence.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The US also supported the Soviets in WW2 to defeat a common enemy. The people of Iraq has chosen their goverment. The insurgents never gets blamed for the destruction of their country. The Sunni minority are the ones destroying schools and places of commerce. If we abandoned Maliki's govermnet, the will of Iraq people will be broken by the determination of thugs, who kill, rape, and pillage without condemnation from likes of you who only bash the west.
The Iraqi people haven't really chosen any elected official, no, it's just a big showgame - the U.S. Government makes the decisions behind the scenes because they installed the puppet-regime. Many people, incl. ex-officials such as Brzezinski, have confirmed this as it's the truth. Iraq is already broken, they're in a goddamn civil war! Why should U.S. soldiers risk their lives when it's now a Iraqi-on-Iraqi battle? U.S. troops oughta come home to their families, Iraq has gone out of control.
What evidence is there to backup that outraegous claim? So are you denying that Iraqis voted Maliki in? You repeatedly deny Iran's involvement in Iraq, yet you make claim that Iraqis did not elect Maliki without any evidence. By abandoning Iraq, the terrorists would be enbolden because it shows that by killing innocent people and bullying the population, they can undermine a democratically elected goverment. Again I ask, why don't you ever condemn terrorists?
There's lots of evidence out there, eg. as Brzezinski said, the Iraqi "Government" is located in the Green Zone - which is an area dominated by U.S. and protected by U.S. forces. And you don't need to be a genius to realize U.S. installed the puppet-regime, they've done it before World-Wide (Iran, 1953 is an example), and the Iraqi war was certainly not for "spreading democracy and freedom" or any other bullshit brought up by the NeoCons. The terrorists ARE already killing innocent people.
Of course the goverment is located in green zone, if it wasnt, it would cease to exists. You do realize that the Iraqi people voted Maliki in. Are you insinuating that the vote was fixed? You finally admit that the terrorists are killing innocent people, and still you refuse to condemn them. What the US did in Iran in 1953 was a coup (and wrong, I admit), but this was an election, which was overseen by international community.
No, it wouldn't, we've worked so hard to create an Iraqi national army and stuff, so they would be able to protect it, or have we failed there as well? Face it: the Iraq war is a war started on lies, it's chaos (civil war) ATM and it will be chaos for a long time - there is NO point to stay there anylonger. What terrorists are you referring to? Oh and overthrowing Saddam was no coup, no? This election was most likely fixed, the men "in charge" in Iraq are handpicked by us.
The terrorists I am referring to is the Sunni insurgents who claim to be freedom fighteres, but kill more of their own people than US military. The Iraqi War was perfectly legal, Sadaam violated multiple UN resolutions and kicked weapons inspectors out, what were the world to think?
Where does U.S. come in? Since when did we become so obsessed with UN resolutions, and since when do we act militarily on the behalf of UN? I can tell you: what you said is bullshit. If we were SOOOOO keen on making countries following UN resolutions, WHY haven't we invaded Israel now then? That country has violated tons of UN resolutions, does NOT allow weapon or nuclear inspectors and have violated human rights many, many times, heck they even murdered UN personnel.
So whats the use of the UN if resolutions are not enforeced? The first Gulf War (which was started by Sadaam) ended only because of Cease-fire agreement which Sadaam agreed to himself, and then proceeded to violate. The Iraq War is not illegal on those grounds. YOu seemed to be obsessed with painted a picture with the US being wrong all of the time and Iran being totally innocent. Like they don't support terror. LOL
What's the use of selectively choosing which resolutions to be enforced as in the case of Israel? It's hypocricy and can simply be explained by one ord: AIPAC. Tell me, why haven't U.S. done anything about Israel and its violations of UN resolutions (amongst others)? No, I'm however highly critical of our Government as they don't act on the behalf of the American national or foreign interests. It's a sell-out. Show me some evidence that Iran supports terror, then we can talk.
I don't deny that the US is completely innocent. I admit that my country has done some fucked up shit in past (Native American genocide, slavery, etc) You on the other hand is in some serious denial if you don't believe that Iran supports terror. Iran sponsors Hezbollah, who are considered terrorists by most countries. What proof would satisfy you? Do you need to see Nasrallah shaking hands with Khomeini(probably spelled wrong)?
Well, first off, it all comes down to how one defines a terrorist. I don't consider Hezbollah to be a terrorist organization. I know Iran morally support Hezbollah because 1) they're the same Muslims 2) they share a common aggressor in the region: Israel. That doesn't, however, prove Iran is sponsoring either Hezbollah or groups in Iraq. Iran is openly talking about peace and freedom in Iraq, and apart from that, there's not much evidence to backup the outrageous claims made by the WH.
How is Israel a threat to Iran? Who has threatened who here? Iran is involved with the Mahdi Army, and elements of Sadr's militia are death squads that murder Sunni families in retaliation for attacks on Shia neighborhoods. Some elements of Sadr's militia even train with Hezbollah in Lebanon and in Iran. Iran is the connection between these Shite militias. Hezbollah blew up a jewish synagogue in Argentina. It is common knowledge that Iran sponsores Hezbollah, they don't deny it.
Israel's a threat to Iran because they're using their influence in Washington, through AIPAC, to push America to go to war with Iran. Iran don't deny it? I recall seeing an interview with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the question given to him was if they sponsor Hezbollah - he denied it. Of course, if you've got any evidence to prove they ARE sponsoring Hezbollah or that they've admitted it, submit it and we can talk.
Hezbollah was formed by Iran's supreme ayatollah Khomeni and receives arms training and financial support from Iran. That information is not a secret--look up Hezbollah's history. Israel doesn't even share a border with Iran and have yet fought a war with the islamic republic. Why would they use their influene in Washington to fight a proxy war against Iran? World domination?
As I've said before; I've yet to see any evidence to support the claims about financial aid and military training from Iran to Hezbollah. Why would Israel have U.S. going to war with Iran? Simple. 1) Iran is very critical towards Israel 2) Iran is the only country in the Mid East left with enough power to compete with Israel and be able to threaten her if they wanted to. A weakened Iran, or under U.S. control, benefits Israel's national interests to become the only superpower in Mid East.
Hezbollah was formed under the supervision of the IRGC in Iran. That is a fact. If it wasn't for Iran, there would be no Hezbollah. Iran is more than just critical of Israel, during the last few years I have heard Iran repeatedly threaten Israel. If Israel threatened to wipe Iran off the map, you would be screaming Death to the Zionists.
Hezbollah was formed as a result of the invaders of Israel, the IDF. Today, they're a paramilitary political and social organization. If IRGC was involved in their formation, I don't know and have not heard of it nor seen any evidence of it, but I assume you've got proof to backup your claim? Iran never directly threatened Israel, it threatened its radical and megalomaniac leadership, not the jewish people nor the country. The "wipe off the map"-babble is a deliberate misquote.
How is the "wipe off the map" a misqote. Hezbollah has a political and Social wings, but they are very much terrorists. They bombed the marine barracks in 82, resulting in the loss of life of over 200 US Marines who were there on a peacekeeping mission on behalf of the UN and they blew up synagogue in Argentina. Hezbollah has cells across the world involved in everything illegal from drugs, arms dealing, to political assasinations.
Those were never the words he said, in fact, he never even mentioned the words "wipe" or "map" in his speech. He was referring to the extreme, dishonest and megalomaniac leadership of Israel, that is the current Israeli regime - he indirectly (not even that) called for a regime change. He never threatened Israel's existence or the people living there. Hezbollah is not really a terrorist organization, no, even though they've got a militant wing.
What has the leadership of Israel ever done to Iran? Iran is simplying trying to become a superpower in the Middle East, and to do that they must stir up Anti-Israli sentiment. And if Hezbollah not a terrorist organization, who would you consider to be terrorist?
The leadership of Israel is a threat to the [little] peace in Mid East and are trying to cause a huge Sunni-Shia war (or rather, they're using their compadres in the White House such as Elliot Abrams and other NeoCons. U.S. is currently funding Sunni extremist groups in Iran, those we'd normally define as terrorists, just to stirr up the violence with Shia (Iran amongst others). Israel's trying to become a superpower in the region, and with the help of a corrupted U.S., they might do so.
How is Israel trying to become a superpower in the region? They continually make concessions with the palestinans, who elected terrorists to represent their goverment. What is the name of the Sunni terrorists you speak of in Iran, and what proof have you? Hezbollah is the most lethal terrorists organization in the world (even bigger than al Quaida). Their propoganda machine is huge and they currently have cells around the world. And this Sunni-Shia war has been going on for centuries.
1) By acquiring nuclear arms 2) By having U.S. fight wars for them, against countries which could pose a threat in the future - a threat to their hegemony and superpower plans. The idea for them is to control Mid East so they can redraw the borders even further according to the specs. in the Torah - they're religious Extremists, Zionists, so it's no surprise. Regarding Sunni in Iran, I'll refer to Seymour Hersh's paper entitled "The Redirection" - his sources are current and former WH officials.
Israel has won all kinds of land in its wars with its neighbors, if Israel wants to increase borders they could easily. You call Israelis extremists, but fail to say the same for leadership of Iran. Pres Ahmadimajad (spelled wrong probaby), is the most extremists nut in Middle East. He wants war with west and Israel to precipate the return of the Mahdi.
Israel has started lots of wars to gain more land, but only with limited success. They want a part of Southern Lebanon, but Hezbollah wouldn't let them. Israelis are Extremists, yes, and sure, the Iranian regime could also be considered Extremists, but there are even worse (Sunni Extremists) in ME - people WE support ATM (to overthrow the Shiite Iranian regime). And no, Iran doesn't want a war at all, Ahmadinejad constantly speaks of peace in the region and justice for the Palestinians.
Israel decisively won the six-day war, and even made gains on the African continent in yom kippur war. If they wanted, they could almost triple their size. They kept the Golan Heights for strategic reasons, and they only attacked southern lebanon in 06 to stop rockets from pounding Israel cities. Ahmadinejad couldn't care less for sunni palestinians, he only postures himself to be a man of peace and justice to suit his purpose of becoming the symbol of islam's struggle with the west.
No, they entered Lebanon prior to Hezbollah launching rockets into Israeli cities. The war didn't start the way the media and the Israeli government claims it did, as some journalists, eg. Seymour Hersh, have proved. The Bush Administration knew about the Lebanon-war before it started because the Israeli government briefed them about it. And no, Ahmadinejad has no intentions to start a war with the West, U.S. is on the other hand trying to start a war with Islam by provocing Iran.
what proof have you of this? Of course Hezbollah claims that they were inside Lebanon, and the IDF claims they were in Israel. Its the same with the Iran-British crises. How is the US provoking Iran? The US has practiced nothing but diplomacy when it comes to Iran's nuke program. Both sides do not want war--the US would only go to war with Iran if they obtain proof that Iran's nuke program is being used to produce weapon.
Read Seymour Hersh's paper on it. Once again (and as always when it comes to foreign policy issues), his sources are current and formed WH officials. Bush, Cheneny and the NeoCons were actually informed of an attack on Hezbollah - to weaken them and their fighting ability in case of a future war with Iran. It's all strategic. Ofc., the IDF failed miserably in doing any real harm to Hezbollah. Diplomacy? Goddamn it, the administration refuses to have a dialogue with Iran, how's that diplomacy?
Hezbollah is losing support among the lebanese people due to Nasrallah trying to undermine Sinora's goverment, and the fact that they were the cause of the deaths of over 1000 lebanese civillians. The IDF killed hezbollah at a ratio of 5 to 1. Whose fault that there is no dialougue. Diplomacy through a third party is still diplomacy. 1 on 1 talks with Iran and US will not work, the UN is the vehicle for all attempts at diplomacy with Iran.
Hezbollah isn't really losing support at all, I think people's realizing Sinora's a sell-out to U.S. They've put money into him, and he's then put money into Sunni radicals in Lebanon - Hezbollah and Sunni's even fight openly in the street. IDF won vs. the civilians, yes, not Hezbollah. Umm, it's the administrations fault, who else is there to blame for being arrogant? Diplomacy? Trying to force Iran giving up their [nuclear] rights, and punishing them through UN, you call that diplomacy?
Hezbollah fired rockets from civillian areas, so they are to blame for high civillian casualties. What about Hezbollah purposely targeting Israeli citizens? and if Sinora is a sellout to the US, Hezbollah sold out Lebanon's interest for the interests of their benefactor--the Iranian government. And stop acting like it's only the US who doesn't want Iran to get nuke, the world is behind us in stopping Ahmadinejad from getting nuclear weapon.
Yes, they did, so what? I never approve civilian killing, but IDF - a selfproclaimed "professional" and "World-class" army as they are - should know better than targeting civilians. No, U.S. is trying to escalate the sectarian war, Sunni vs Shia in the region, so they finance Saudi Arabia and other states who support extremist Sunni groups to fight Iran and Hezbollah. And what evidence is there to suggest Iran's trying to get a nuke? None. It's all propaganda. As in the Iraq-case.
So what? So it's okay for Hezbollah to target Israeli citizen? And you claim they are not terrorists? If Iran's nuclear program was truly peaceful, the world would have no problem. The lack of transparency in the program is enough to cause alarm. And in Iraq's case, the west had every right to go to war with Sadaam, who violated the cease-fire he agreed to several times. He foolishly kicked weapons inspectors out, thus sealing his own fate.
No, can't you read? I said I clearly oppose that. Iran's nuclear program is peaceful until proven otherwise - which's it not been, Government officials and even Mr. Bush himself keeps making these outrageous claims but he never points on any evidence or the fact that Iran's nuclear facilities are open for the public - it's just propaganda to sell another war to the American people. No, they didn't, I've already responded to your claims on that. The reason for the Iraq-war was Israel - and AIPAC.
So the fact that Sadaam blatantly violated the UN resolutions and the first Gulf War ceasefire had nothing to do with the Iraq war? I'm sick of people calling the Iraq war illegal when Bush had international law on his side when he invaded mesopotamia. Can you not read? Stop acting like it's only Bush and the US that opposes Iran nuclear program, the EU, China, and Russia all oppose the program because it's pretty obvious that oil rich Iran only neads nuclear power for one reason.
No, because it wasn't even the reason given why we went to war there. The American people wouldn't have given a shit if the things you mentioned were given to the public as a reason to go to war. What the neoconservatives and Bush Administration did was to feed the people the lies about Saddam's alleged nuclear arms, that he intended to use them against us, and also, that he was somehow connected to al-Qaeda. They were all, naturally, lies.
I don't ever remember Bush saying there was a 9-11--Sadaam connection. I heard the opposite. The big deal was that Sadaam kicked out weapon inspectors and defied international law. If anything, the UN should have did what the US did in 2003, but the UN is nothing more than a joke nowadays.. The American people are too ignorant to understand anything these days except for the rhetoric that you and the Rosie O'donnels spew everday--Bush is evil, Iran is good...Zionists...blah, blah, blah
No, what they (the Administration) did was to pack them all (al-Qaeda, Saddam, etc) into one package and call them terrorists, thus misleading the public into believing they had a connection. But I do also remember that they specifically said they had connections. You're an idiot if you still believe your BS about "international law" - that wasn't even the excuse at all, so why do you keep repeating it? It's just not relevant. They had to sell the war to the people and made up the WMD's lie.
So the UN stands for nothing? What's the point of having a UN if it's resolutions stand for nothing? Your are an idiot if you were mislead into thinking that Al-Queda and Sadaam have any connection. You are the one repeating bullshit about AIPAC and about how Hezbollah aint a terror group. You have an obvious anti-US bias.
Who said UN stands for nothing? I know what it stands for, although I disagree with having it acting as a World Government. Saddam violating UN resolutions was NOT the reason we went to war there nor was it the reason GIVEN to the people to go to war, so the question is; what are you on about? You're lost. AIPAC with the neoconservatives in the WH dictates the foreign policy to a large degree, anyone with a lil' knowledge knows that. Academics, politicians, researchers and observers knows it.
We assumed that he had WMD's because he kicked the weapon inspectors out. Why would he do that if he didn't have anything to hide? He had more than enough reason to oust him because after 9-11, the US would be foolish to allow Sadaam to defy the cease-fire without consequence. So what would you have done if you were in charge of 200 million people? Pray that Sadaam's regime would attempt to rearm in blatanly disregard to resolutions. It's this thinking that got France defeated in WW2.
That's not true, and if it was, it'd not justify an assumption that he had WMD's. Our officials said they knew where his WMD's were, they showed us their little images and made their claims - we believed them and went to war. Considering the fact that we fully supported Saddam, eg. in his war against the Iranians, it doesn't make sense that we turn our backs on him for simply ignoring UN resolutions - the oil and the Dollar-hegemony was one factor of going to war, Israel another.
We also supported Stalin goverment in WW2 and immediately got involved in Cold War after Hitler was defeated. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. It sucks, but at the time Iran was extremely hostile (enbassy hostages), and their shia revolution threatened to spill across the middle east. Imagine if N Korea violated the 1952 cease-fire with S Korea. There would be a continuation of that conflict. The first Gulf War never ended.
Yes, we did cooperate with Soviet to crush the Third Reich, which's quite weird considering the fact that the Germans wanted peace in the final years of war, and we, plus the British, ignored it.
Are you seriously retarded? The Germans launched a major offensive right before the end of the war, and do you seriously believe that the allies would have settled for anything less than unconditional surrender after what Nazis did to Soviets, Jews, and Western Europe? You truly are biased if you are insinuating that the Third Reich wanted peace. Let me guess, Bush started WW2 and is responsible for holocaust too. lol.
Your insults (typical pro-Zionists who probably never finished high-school) and your babble doesn't address the fact that Germany did want peace before the end of the war, which was denied by the Allied countries.
Where did you go to school? Jihad university? Germany launched the battle of the bulge (A major offensive, they threw everthing at allies) two months before end of war. Hitler was fanactical, and thought that he could still win, even as Soviet troops began pounding Berlin. This is the first time I have ever heard anything about Germany wanting peace during WW2. They did during WW1 though, maybe you got your wars mixed up or you are just spewing typical jihadis, revisionist propaganda.
Jihad University, good one, where did you go to school yourself, did you get schooled and educated by AIPAC or what? Do the research on WWII and not on the JVL, and you'll realize that Germany offered peace, which was denied. It's a historical fact.
I've looked for and found no evidence of such. The Japanese offered peace, but Allies would only accept unconditional surrender. You can't possibly believe that Germany offered peace during WW2. HItler was targeted for assasination several times because he believed that Germany could somehow still win war. He only committed suicide when Soviet troops were approaching his bunker. Hitler never entertained notion of surrendering to allies,espcially not to Soviets--who he considered sub-human.
None of the European countries want to see a war or any military action against Iran as there's no evidence to backup the "nuclear arms"-argument. No evidence. As in the Iraq-case. Iran need the oil for exporti and the oil won't last forever you know, they need nuclear energy just as any other civilized nation do, but you wouldn't know that. You believe the nuclear ghost-story told about Iran.
So are you saying that the US is trying to go to war with Iran? Bush is in a lose, lose. He invades Iraq, and gets labeled a war monger. The US diplomatically tries to resolve Iran nuke program issue, and gets labeled the same. Iran is playing the same game N. Korea played with the world. They deny that they are pusuing nukes until they actually have them, and then it is too late. You wouldn't know that, you believe the rhetoric that Ahmaddimejad and his extremists goverment tells you.
Not the U.S., the Bush Administration. Covert operations in Iran and funding of anti-Iran (anti-Shiite) Sunni Extremists are taking place right now, to heat things up, and maybe provoke an Iranian answer and then use that as a pretext for a military action. Imposing sanctions and refusing to have a direct dialogue with Iran isn't diplomacy, even a 5-year-old kid would know that, it's surprising you don't. Then there's also the covert operations, etc, that's certainly not gonna help.
Iran is the one acting warlike. If the US detained 15 IRGC members in Iranian waters you would have a seizure. Again I repeat, stop acting like it's the US vs Iran in nuke matter, not the world vs Iran. Even a 5 year old knows that. You are quick to place accusation without proof. What about Iran covert operations in Iraq? Are you going to deny Iran involvement in the insurgency, and keep saying that the US is doing the same in Iran? You are an idiot.
Iran is not acting warlike, no, any objective mind will tell you that. U.S. is preparing for war with Iran, and is doing covert operations inside Iran, come again - who's the aggressor? No, it's a U.S. vs. Iran issue, no other country in the World is so obsessed with having Iran abandoning its nuclear program which, by the way, is legitimate until proven otherwise. Where's the evidence of Iranian fiddling in Iraq? Is there any? No, it's just propaganda which you seem to have been flooded with.
I hate to repeat myself but you have a short memory. The fact that Iranian weapons were found in Iraq, and that members of the elite Quds force have been captured if more than enough evidence of Iran meddling in Iraq. So the EU isn't talking to Iran over issue? The UN, which represents the world, has demanded that Iran stop enrichment. How more plainly can I say this?
Once again, what does Iranian-made weapons prove? How do we know these were delivered recently just to be used to kill Americans? Who authorized it, have we solid proof of whoever "we" (Administration) accuse? Quds? Where did you learn that? Iranian diplomats were arrsted in Iraq and U.S. raided the Iranian embassy, that I know of. The UN can't demand that Iran give up something that they're entitled to according to NTP, and unless some proof of Iranian WMD-plans are shown, UN oughta STFU.
How else would insurgents get iranian made weapons. Hell the way you think, you probably blame that one on Bush too. IRGC agents were arrested in Northern Iraq by US soldiers, the diplomat was snatched by Iraqi Security Forces(something fishy about that one.) N.Korea played the same game with the west and they got nukes anyway. The UN isn't as stupid as they look
I think the Bush Administration is desperate to find something more legitimate than the old "WMDs" to blame on Iran, in order to sell another war to the people, so I don't consider faking evidence or making outrageous claims impossible. NK, just like Iran, wouldn't have any possibility to launch a nuclear attack at us even if they (assuming the Iranians have arms) wanted to. It's just like the Iraq-case, "Saddam has WMD's and he can attack us with them" - bullshit.
Bush won't go to war with Iran unless they strike first, or Iran flatly admit that they are developing nuclear weapons. And North Korea has the ability to hit nearly all of Asia including Japan (a strong ally), and most of the United States. The Taedephong(spelled wrong probably) missle still has some kinks, but it is a matter of time before they have ability to hit as far as Chicago.
Bush will go to war with Iran on a false pretext, just like Iraq. It'll either be, as Brzezinski said, a terrorist attack in the U.S. blamed on Iran, failure in Iraq blamed on Iran, or a deadly attack on American soldiers in Iraq blamed on Iran - that'll "justify" us bombing them. NK can't harm us with their nuclear arms, no, are you really that stupid? Neither will Iran, if they ever get nuclear arms as you say.
Do the research on the N Korean Missles. They can definately hit the west coast of US and even as far as Chicago. Not to mention that US bases and interests in S.Korea and Japan would be threatened. Are you retarded are just so biased that you have lost all logic and common sense? Where did you go to school?(for real, I'm not joking)
Our defense systems would knock any North Korean missiles down, do you know anything about our military at all? If N.K. attacked us, we'd be able to pound them in any ways possible. You're just too fanatical in your pro-Israeli, anti-Muslim and anti-Communist views that you fail to realize a few basic matters of the current international political situation.
our missle defense system isn't a sure thing. Kim Jong Il is insane and couldn't care less about launching a war in which he cannot win. You my friend are the fanactic. at least I admit that US has faults, you on the other hand can't even admit Hezollah are terrorists. you can't even condemn terrorist for committing heinous acts. I truly believe that you are an anti-semitic, al-queda wannabe. What country are you from? You must be from Canada. LOL.
Our missile defence system would take down North Korean missiles, even nuclear-ones. You oughta be a clueless fool if you disbelieve that. Hezbollah hardly fall under the category "terrorists" just because they've got a militant wing and are anti-Israeli. And I do condemn suicide bombers and terrorists, eg. the ones in Iraq, what made you think anything else? LOL! Here we go again, the good old "anti-Semite"-bullshit, I expected it to come earlier though. It's pathetic anyway, just like you are.
Our missle defense system isn't a sure thing, and our country isn't the only one at risk dumbass. Our military advisor would be foolish to allow N. korea to devolop nukes and terrorize East Asia (Japan and S. Korea). If that happens, S.Korean and Japan goes nuclear and the world would be on the brink of nuclear destruction. And your are an idiot if you think that Hezollah isn't a terrorist organization. In Iran they celebrate a death to America day: they are clearly a terrorist regime.
If Iran had nukes, you know for sure they'd let Hezbollah have some. Then, Hezbollah can do whatever they want, like last summer, except it won't be a rocket attack.
That is what the West fears the most, that Iran will develop nukes and let terrorists use in proxy conflict with either Israel or US troops in Middle East. That is the reason why the West is weary of Iran nuclear program.
thats that problem. she's spewing all of this out of hatred for Bush without researching it... unless she did research it and still came up with whatever she believes in. that's something nobody can do anything about. we can only question her intelligence or believe in her ignorance
The facts support my belief that 9-11 was a terrorist attack. Of course this is a democracy and everyone is entitled to their opinion; but to respect the opinion of an idiot is very futile. People like Rosie paint a picture that Bush is Hitler reborn without neither facts nor merit. Of course she has an agenda, how else could she believe that Bush ordered the 9-11 attacks?
The fact is that there are tons of questions and criticism left to address, something the U.S. Government hasn't done. Everyone's entitled to their opinion? Sure, as long as you STFU about it, especially if Israel or the catastrophic pro-Israeli U.S. foreign policy is concerned, you're entitled to your opinion. If you raise your voice, you're immediately subjected to bashing, slandering and smearing, mainly by the never-ending propaganda machine, oh I mean the media.
I agree with you, but certain opinions hold more weight than others. For example, do you take Scientologists seriously? Or people who claim to have seen Bigfoot? Peopole like Rosie offer not one shred of evidence to support their claim, yet they have legions of idiots who will follow because bashing Bush is the country's new hobby. Wake up children! Don't be an idiot!
Well, the Britain-Iran incident is fishy too. The Government should encourage a debate, not have media stirring up hate towards so the public will support an eventual invasion/attack on Iran, because believe me, U.S. is preparing for war with Iran at this very moment thanks to the Extremists in AIPAC and the NeoCons in the Bush Administration.
The US is preparing for war in Iran because of Iran's warlike posturing. Many believe that the brits were in Iraqi territory when snatched. In fact, I believe that Iran targeted the Brits because there were a soft target (US rules of engagement would have allowed commanders to defend themselves in the Persian Gulf), and the captured Brits were used as a decoy for their nuke program.
What "warlike posturing" are you referring to? Iran's enrichment of Uranium is something that lies in their national right to do, also according to the NPT. U.S. has no reason to go to war with Iran, Iran doesn't threaten anybody and hasn't, unlike U.S., attacked any nation in modern times. No, a war with Iran would one serve one nation's interests and that nation is Israel. U.S. is aggressive towards Iran because of AIPAC.
The world is behind the US policy of trying to stop Iran from developing nuke. Iran has repeatedly threatened Israel, and is the leading sponsor of terrorism. Hezbollah kidnapped those hebrew soldiers at Iran's bidding, as a decoy because of international pressure against Iran. Have you not listened to Iran's politicians? Iran doesen't attack anyone directly, only by using proxies (Mahdi army, Hezbollah, Hamas...)
Huh?! Come again? The World is behind U.S.? You're an idiot and clearly clueless if you stand by that claim. No European countries support the U.S. Government and their imaginary Iranian nuclear-bomb, neither China/Russia support U.S., in fact, they criticize us harshly. Even Pakistan and India have stated that they do NOT support an attack on Iran, and until the NeoCons show some proof, I think they'll find it hard both home and abroad to get support for another pointless war, with Iran.
The EU, Russia, and China supports the US in wanted to deny Iran Nuke weapons idiot. The US doesn't want to attack Iran, but will if they continue on the path they are own. Have you not been keeping up with UN sanctions on Iran idiot? Every two or three months the UN orders more harsher sanctions against Iran idiot.
No country in the World supports a U.S. attack on Iran. The only reason EU is condemning Iran is because U.S. put pressure on them. There's no intelligence to back-up U.S. claims about a nuclear bomb. Sure I have followed, retard, but UN sanctions don't mean shit - it's easy for U.S. to put pressure on UN as well, just like U.S. and Israel don't give a fuck about UN "condemning" their military actions. Neither China or Russia will support any harsher UN sanctions on Iran.
If there was no intelligence to back up US claims, why the EU, Russia, and China are backing UN sanctions against Iran's nuke program retard? Russia and China aren't even US allies. Perhaps they fear the same thing, that Iran is developing a bomb retard. The fact that Iran is a state sponsor of terror probably have something to do with the world not wanting Iran to have a bomb.
Because doing otherwise would be politically incorrect. Where's the intelligence if it's so obvious? Where's the proof to suggest Iran is secretly building a nuclear bomb when their nuclear facilities is open for public view? Retard. Iran - state sponsor of terror? Where's the "evidence" to support that claim? What about U.S. supporting Kurdish rebels in Iran? The U.S. quick bashing others, but hardly review its own actions. If Iran is a "state sponsor of terror", then so is U.S. Period.
Sadr and his militia receive training from the IRGC in Iran retard, and they are involved in death squads. Hezbollah and to a certain degree Hamas also receive financial and military backing from Iran. And when has Russia and China ever supported anything the US has to be poltically correct? I am not saying that the US is completely clean in world affairs but to deny Iran is sponsoring terror is idiotic. You obviously have an anti-US bias.
What evidence have you got to backup that claim about IRGC? Why would IRGC fund Sunni Muslims such as Hamas, and if they do, what evidence is there to support that? U.S. is not, in anyway, clean in world affairs, ever since WWII, the U.S. has become worse. I know Iran is supporting Freedom Fighters in the Mid East, but I've yet to see evidence they're DIRECTLY involved in U.S. casualties, as some people have alleged they are. There is just no evidence, it's just lies for a pretext for war.
iranian made IED's are being funneled into Iraq by the quuds force. Freedom Fighters? The french resistance during ww2 were freedom fighters, General Washington was a freedom fighteres, the insurgents in Iraq blow up schools, marketplaces, and any reconstruction efforts in Iraq. How the fuck are they freedom fighters? They are terrorists plain and simple. Get your facts straight. Iran is a terror sponsor plain and simple, how can u not see that?
Again, what evidence is there to suggest Iran fiddling in Iraq? None. It's just words taken out of the thin air to stirr up hatred towards Iran and blame them for U.S. failure and casualties in Iraq. In other words, it's just propaganda. Iran's leadership or the IRGC haven't assumed responsibility for any of the charges, and the evidence, as usual, is minimal and probably fabricated.
Iranian made weapons are being found in Iraq. Is the IRGC is not responsible for funneling weapaons into Iraq, who is? Iran does not want to see a stable Iraq, they have been attacked by Sadaam in past, so it is in there interest to keep Iraq weak and unstable.
What does Iranian made weapons prove? It's like saying U.S. should be blamed for Palestinian casualties because U.S. is supplying Israel with the arms needed to kill Muslims. Iran does want a stable and secure Iraq, Saddam is since long dead in case you didn't know.
Iran want'a another Shite revolution in Iraq to become the regional power. They are the ones benefiting the most from the Iraqi insurgency. If the US does not supply Israel with arms, Israel would get swallowed in Islamic tide and washed into the sea of history.
What evidence is there to backup that outrageous claim? Iran has repeatdly stated they want peace in the region, especially Iraq, but also underlining the fact that peace will not come as long as AIPAC and the NeoCons are ready to push U.S. in another pointless war on the behalf of Israel. U.S. has no responsibility to give Israel arms, isn't it said that Israel has one of the best armies in the world? Without our taxmoney and our weapons, they'd not be shit. Israel doesn't deserve our support.
So you believe Iran wants peace in the region? If that is true, why are they the number one state-sponsor of terror? You have the audacity to imply that Bush and his administration are liars, but believe the Iranian goverment. Israel defeated five muslims armies in 1948 without any US help, they can defend themselves. In fact, Israel has repeatedly made concessions for peace, yet the palestinian people voted in Hamas and continue to pursue a policy that will only lead to more violence.
I laugh every time I hear the "google it" soundbyte
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vendetta1066 2 years ago
What do you call a Pakistani lesbian?
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TheMainEvent321 2 years ago
Some one should get her some shampoo and a bar of soap.
bnjones28 3 years ago 2
does she realize she would be put to death in Iran for being gay?
ahoegh 3 years ago
OK Rosie the geopolitical genius..........I googled "Gulf of Tonkin"..........what's next?
I don't get it? That was back in March and there still has been NO Iran invasion.
911happenedforreal 3 years ago 5
I think Rosie stopped another "Gulf of Tonkin" by shedding a light on LIES that were told to us in the past. We can't be fooled again.
The Bush family have been profiting from wars since WWI. Oil is nothing to the Bushes compared to their defense and investment banking interests.
JustplainKathy 3 years ago
The Gulf Of Tonkin was the event that started the Vietnam war, where 58,000 American Soldiers were killed.
In a major revision of US military history in 1995, former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara said he believed the Gulf of Tonkin torpedo attack never occurred.
We call that a false flag attack, A staged event as a pretext to invade another country.
Many Americans believed the event was staged and were called conspiracy theorist and laughed at.
SOSnUSA 3 years ago 3
if you should get anything about the gulf of tonkin incident, it should be that the US government has LIED about things to push us into a war. they definately did lie about the gulf of tonkin incident, and over 50,000 american troops and over 4 million vietnamese were killed, over a lie. if they lied to you once, they will lie again, and guess what? we are fighting a war that the vast majority of americans are against now. they will keep lying
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cutechick160 3 years ago
I googled gulf of tonkin - Oh my gosh I did not know that. Scary!!!! Our country so desperately needs to wake up and start researching for ourselves. "Knowledge is power" and "The truth will set you free".
faithinliberty 3 years ago 2
In times of change, the Patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot.
Rosie ODonnel is brave, hated and scorned, shes a Patriot. If you hate her and beleive the official 911 story, write the date down on paper and write you beleive the official story and scorn those that stand up. Years from now look at it, and dont claim you knew it was and inside job but say you scorned those that did
Rickdeckard2020 3 years ago
The British sailors being captured made it wall to wall in the news, everyone knew about it, the recent acknowledgment they had been in fact inside Iranian waters didnt make it in the headline news hardly anyone knows the navy and media were lying to the public when saying they were in international waters.
Rickdeckard2020 3 years ago
She is right, some people is just being a hater, because they can't handle the truth about the their beloved country doing evil things. They think they are good Americans and that would make the people who governs them are also good people.
sjvietboy408 3 years ago
consider the source....rosie has a rep as being an astute observer of world affairs..yeah!!!!!!! what a dumb cunt
3Philosophy 3 years ago
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shes so stupid. fucking fat lesbian bitch.
123duffbeerrules 3 years ago
google gulf of tonkin
DrunkMonk1 3 years ago
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DrunkMonk1 3 years ago
google gulf of tonkin
DrunkMonk1 3 years ago
If you ask Rosie what she said five minutes after saying it. She wouldn't be able to tell you. Her mind is like a mindless abyss, she would make any lame ass comment just for the sake of getting attention.
getbacktobasics 4 years ago
wow she is right
J0nChang 4 years ago 2
All celebrities need to shut the fuck up and stay out of politics! Maybe try and make a decent movie or show once in a while but please don't insult people by trying to tell us what we need to think you jackasses.
jarvis1211 4 years ago
fucking fat bitch if she ever came to the UK she would be slaughtered n her fat wuld go into making free soap for all the 3rd world countries!!
DodgyJusByName 4 years ago
I am from the U.S., and I couldn't agree with you more about the fat bitch.
getbacktobasics 4 years ago 2
well maybe i was a bit harsh bt at the end of the day one woman is not gonna be able to change the world if she has some good ideas then maybe she should be making frineds to support her instead of being an idiot and making enemies! i know not all americans r like that in fact its more of a minority that r the morons!
DodgyJusByName 4 years ago
she's got so many issues I think it's safe to say her opinions are invalid! I hope she seeks help!
charliebad 4 years ago
Fat whore, DIE!
jerryspriinger 4 years ago
i don't like Rosie but, i admire her courage for talking truth. i guess it cost her job.
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gypsyroselyh 4 years ago
A Gift For Rosie
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SpamySpamerson 4 years ago
Rosie Rocks.
ahmadoo60 4 years ago
stupid yank!
DodgyJusByName 4 years ago
rosie is disgusting and ignorant. her extremist rant about being in iranian waters is based subjectively on information presented by the iranian government. she is a disgrace. please shut up.
jozbite24 4 years ago 2
Why are you here watching a person that is disgusting you...
i think you secretly love her and want to believe her but your afarid of the truth your emabrressed that you a "brilliant american" was hoodwinked ;P
SpamySpamerson 4 years ago
Rosie Odonnel doesent even know what the hell shes talking about The irainians captured those sailors in international waters which is a violation of the geneva conventions but yet most people now or days give the benifit of the doubt to terrorists rather then supporting our troops god damn traitor liberals
Motherfucker5000 4 years ago
PROPOSAL
For any future skyscrapers to be demolished.
LET'S EXPERIMENT
Lets fill these building with jet fuel and see if it will MELT the STEEL BEAMS and see how far this bullshit lasts
Im sure Vegas still has a few casinos to be tore down
SpamySpamerson 4 years ago
Wow, rosie has got some brains... Very sharp!
adamOFredcliffeTOWN 4 years ago
she doesent have any fucking brains shes a traitor liberal id smack her any day of the week
Motherfucker5000 4 years ago
i dont really care for rosie but its true it was a goverment thing they put bombs all over those buildings only two planes hit and they were not american arlines but u.s. military for a reason to go in those two countrys oil and are doller saddom said he will sale only in e.u. not dollers anymore o iran just said the same thing
stevenhenson 4 years ago
elfboy go get a job ya fud
Candy1690 4 years ago
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elfb0y98312 4 years ago
Ingbnestn is an idiot himself. All she is saying is to not take everything your governments say at face value. They lied in the past about things just like the brit soldiers, they'll lie again. Do your research.
alivonal 4 years ago
Fat, stupid, and insane is no way to go through life. Your 15 minutes is well up. The interview with O'Reilly were she was scared shitless was the best, she is a total coward when she can not manipulate or over-talk her opponent, just like most socialists.
lngbnestn 4 years ago 2
Why do people bash the people who attack the terrorist more than the actually terrorist? I've yet to hear an answer to this question. People have the nerve to call Bush a Fascists when UBL, the Iranian regime, and the Taliban are the ones repressing rights of their people. In Iran, the press isn't even free to print what they want. There is clearly a double standard when it comes to international politics. The US=evil The terrorists=victims--to many people like fat Rosie.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Because we also fuel and fund more terrorism. It's called a double standard, and it's a part of our new "redirection" in foreign policy in fighting Iran, Syria and Hezbollah. While we fight al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, we fund Sunnis in Lebanon and aid Saudi Arabia who then put money into Sunni Extremists. Some of these have alleged ties with al-Qaeda (Sunni), does the Administration care? Hell no. But people like you don't realize this, logic and reason are two unknown keywords to you.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Do you believe that the terrorist are right to destroy their country? According to you, it's the US fault for everything. And you have the nerve to talk about double standard. The terrorist kidnap and behead civillians, post it on internet, and all you rant about is Zionists, Neocons, and AIPAC. In your biased mind, the terrorists are never at fault. Tell that to those eporters who get beheaded for overing the conflict. Tell that to the children who get kidnapped and used as human bombs. SMH
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Our presence is evidently not doing any good as the civil war is bloodier than ever now, don't you read the papers? We've even got Shiite vs. Shiite violence, and that's very bad. What are we still doing there? The war was started on a propaganda campaign built on lies, it's totally gone out of our hands is costing is Billions of Dollars and the lives of our fellow Americans, yet our President insists we stay, and not only that, send more troops over, and get caught up in the civil war.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Also, of course I talk about the neoconservatives and AIPAC (or rather, the Israel Lobby) because they are two main components behind the Iraq-war. Nobody else wanted the war more than they did. Now they're pushing us into war with Iran, which explains our aggressive attitude towards them while entirely ignoring Israel, India and Pakistan, and also us doing covert operations in Iran. Bush won't leave office without having "dealt" with Iran, eg. a regime change, almost like in 1953.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
I seriously doubt Bush will deal with Iran. He's exhausting all diplomatic measures, and is involved in 2 major wars. Again I ask, what do you think about savages who blow up police stations, marketplaces, and schools? What about the animals who kidnap reporters, civillian contractors, and rival religious sects only to behead them and post it on internet? And the fucked up thing is that they never get condemned by anyone. Why do they get a free pass to act like savages? Biased maybe?
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Rosie is so full of shit, maybe that is why she is so big. She is so quick to criticize our goverment and embrace totalitarism, it is almost funny. Of course it is the US fault, no matter what happens in the world, people like her spin it so that we are responsible. It was the Goverment's fault that 9-11 happened, Bush is also responsbile for the 06 summer war in Lebanon, and Cheney is responsible for the Bird Flu epidemic.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
She's not saying it's the government's fault... she's just saying that there's a possibility that it could be and to not do any research and march on like sheep the the slaughterhouse is just plain dumb. She's encouraging research.I HOPE she's proven wrong, but lets at least research it. This is america after all!
buckybadger9876 4 years ago
she is plainly implying that the Bush Government staged the 9-11 attacks, which is ludicrous. Conspirarcy theorist such as her can never be pacified by facts, which are always spun to their advantage. To even engage such theorists is dumb, sort of like challenging a mentally retarded child to a game of chess.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Why is it dumb? why is it dumb to QUESTION? To just follow blindly is the crazy idea. WE ARE MEANT TO BE FREE TO QUESTION.
buckybadger9876 4 years ago
To question an idiot expecting to get a rational answer is quite dumb. People who have an agenda often spin the facts, that goes both for the neo-cons and the far left liberals. To entertain such people with a debate is futile because certain people treat facts as if they were meaningless bits of information that can be contorted toward whatever agenda.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
she doesn't have an agenda.. why agenda would she have? what greater purpose is she serving? an agenda tends to be something where lots of people stand to gain lots of things... i don't see the connection.
buckybadger9876 4 years ago
She obviously has a anti-bush agenda. Have you not listen to her fat ass ramble? She is obviously a far-left liberal with a secular-progessive agenda. The media is full of these types whose sole purpose is to undermine the Bush Goverment. And no I am not an ardent Bush supporter--I am just not blind to what's going on.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Anyone with a little understanding of reality and the dangers of Bush's AIPAC'd and NeoConned foreign policy probably have an "anti-Bush" agenda according to you.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
so you believe that Bush orchestrated 9-11? Bin laden admitted that he orchestrated attacks. I'm not saying that Bush is perfect (I didn't even vote for him), but to blame the man for everything wrong in the world is stupid. Get a grip people! You know its bad when more people criticize Bush for going after extremists, who kill civillians purposely, than the extremists themselves. When was the last time someone protested Al Queda who target schools, markets, and police?
mrbronze13 4 years ago
I'm not saying Bush orchestrated 9-11, I'm saying it's fishy the Government don't care to address the critics, and then we've got cheering Israelis/Mossad agents on the day of 9-11, etc. There's lots of stuff to investigate, but just like the VERY fishy JFK assassination, the Government points at the 9-11 Commission Report as the ultimate proof. Bush himself is being pressured by Extremists, eg. the ones in AIPAC. He's no honest leader, he's a corrupted and bribed President.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
well I can't deny that he is corrupt, but what US president wasn't? I think that Bush and Clinton were both incopentent when it came to confronting alqueda, and we paid for it. A lot of people comfuse incompetence with the term "inside job".
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Many U.S. presidents in U.S. history has tried to defeat the corrupt and evil powers currently dictating the U.S. Why do you think all Lincoln was assassinated? Or Garfield? Or Kennedy? All these men had something in comnon - they fought the International Bankers and the FED.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
lincoln was assasinated because many people looked at him like how you view Bush. History has proved that Lincoln's policies (which were similar to Bush's) were needed during a troubled period. People in the South hate Lincoln to this day. You are truly blind if you think that Bush is the only corrupt president. Absolute power (Dictators and Kings) breeds corruption, and even soft power (president) often leads to certain amounts of corruption.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Lincoln was assassinated because he was in a battle with the International bankers, those who strived for a privately owned Central Bank, which we today call FED. The assassinator had even admitted high powers in Europe would help him if he got caught, because he was acting for the benefit of their interests. The same applies to President Garfield.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Lincoln was assasinated because of the war in the South. People compare Bush to Lincoln because both were involved in unpopular wars and had unpopular policies. Lincoln also spied on Americans during those turbulent times, and many in South see him as a war criminal. You keep insuinating that Bush is this facist, when all he is doing is fighting terrorists who attacked us on 9-11 for no reason. Why don't you and people like you ever criticize the terrorist? hypocrisy maybe?
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Hardly. The statement made by Booth about his European financiers speaks for itself. Just like in the case of Garfield, and possibly Kennedy, Lincoln was assassinated because the power and influence of European International bankers was at stake. Lincoln opposed their action. I've never thought of Bush as a "fascist", no, he's just a sell-out. He's acting on the behalf of AIPAC and Israel, that doesn't mean he's a fascist though. 9-11 has nothing with Iraq to do, nor Iran.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Lincoln was assasinated by a Confederate sympathizer who blamed Lincoln for the destruction of the south. Personally I like Lincoln because he was a strong leader during a difficult period. Bush is the same in that he refuses bow to terrorist like Europe. The terrorist have a free haven in Europe, who wont even allow there troops to engage Taliban in Afgansistan (France and Germany mainly). Iran supports Shia Terror groups and Iraq did kicked inspectors out and defied 17 UN resolutions.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
We all know who assassinated Lincoln, the subject is why and who backed him. Presidential assassination was nothing new to the International Bankers, they would do it again later to Garfield and (possibly) Kennedy. They're a ruthless group of vampires. Bush's actions is only creating more terror, Iraq is a failure and attacking Iran would be even worse. Bush is just a puppet. That's what he is. He can't say shit to the people who control him and get him to advance the interests of their agenda.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Bush is not the best president, but he is far from the worst. At least he aggresively attacks terrorists unlike so many others. You are trying to make Lincoln's assasination bigger than what it was. Booth was mad because the South lost and nothing more. Iraq is a failure because of the terrorists who blow up schools and marketplaces indiscriminately. Why don't you bash them for a change?
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Bush is one of the worst Presidents ever, in my and many others' opinion. No, he doesn't "attack terrorists", he's fueling more terrorism and hatred towards U.S. because of his shitty NeoConned pro-Israeli foreign policy, the Founding Fathers are probably turning in their graves out of madness when they see Bush's policy - they, unlike him, were real American Patriots with a real interest in Freedom, Democracy and Justice. And no, it doesn't explain Booth's comment about his backers.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
So by attacking terrorists who attacked us is fueling terrorism? what should he do? Bow down do him? Why don't u ever condemn the terrorists? Maliki's government was voted in by the people of Iraq, and the Sunni insurgents are attempting to destroy that govermnet. Whether u like it or not, the US has liberated more people than all of the countries in the world combined. All the terrorist do is kill innocents because Allah will give them 72 virgins in heaven lol.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
No, by getting the hell out of Iraq, for one thing, and stop bashing Iran, Syria and other nations the NeoCons and Israel would like to have attacked. This is no longer a question about terrorism, it's a question about serving another nation's national and security interests and also, securing the oil in the region. There's a civil war in Iraq ATM, U.S. soldiers have no reason to stay there and die or get maimed. It's not funny, you know, when our soldiers die. You don't seem to care though.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
YOu do realize that Sadaam violated UN resolutions at least 17 times and kicked weapon inspectors out? Of course we thought he had WMD's. If our soldiers left Iraq now, the Sunni-Shite bloodletting would only get worse. Again I ask you, why don't you ever bash insurgents? If US troops blew up schools, markets, and beheaded people and posted it on the internet you would probably have a seizure.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Saddam violating UN doesn't prove shit, we had supported him in the past, eg. against the Iranians when we provided him with woth weapons, money and most importantly moral support. At that time, he was pulling the same shit both towards the Iranians and the Kurds, yet we never complained about his dictatorship. If we left Iraq now, OUR troops would save their lives and us a lot of money, the Iraqis want to see us leave and the civil war with go on WITH or WITHOUT or presence.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The US also supported the Soviets in WW2 to defeat a common enemy. The people of Iraq has chosen their goverment. The insurgents never gets blamed for the destruction of their country. The Sunni minority are the ones destroying schools and places of commerce. If we abandoned Maliki's govermnet, the will of Iraq people will be broken by the determination of thugs, who kill, rape, and pillage without condemnation from likes of you who only bash the west.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
The Iraqi people haven't really chosen any elected official, no, it's just a big showgame - the U.S. Government makes the decisions behind the scenes because they installed the puppet-regime. Many people, incl. ex-officials such as Brzezinski, have confirmed this as it's the truth. Iraq is already broken, they're in a goddamn civil war! Why should U.S. soldiers risk their lives when it's now a Iraqi-on-Iraqi battle? U.S. troops oughta come home to their families, Iraq has gone out of control.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
What evidence is there to backup that outraegous claim? So are you denying that Iraqis voted Maliki in? You repeatedly deny Iran's involvement in Iraq, yet you make claim that Iraqis did not elect Maliki without any evidence. By abandoning Iraq, the terrorists would be enbolden because it shows that by killing innocent people and bullying the population, they can undermine a democratically elected goverment. Again I ask, why don't you ever condemn terrorists?
mrbronze13 4 years ago
There's lots of evidence out there, eg. as Brzezinski said, the Iraqi "Government" is located in the Green Zone - which is an area dominated by U.S. and protected by U.S. forces. And you don't need to be a genius to realize U.S. installed the puppet-regime, they've done it before World-Wide (Iran, 1953 is an example), and the Iraqi war was certainly not for "spreading democracy and freedom" or any other bullshit brought up by the NeoCons. The terrorists ARE already killing innocent people.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Of course the goverment is located in green zone, if it wasnt, it would cease to exists. You do realize that the Iraqi people voted Maliki in. Are you insinuating that the vote was fixed? You finally admit that the terrorists are killing innocent people, and still you refuse to condemn them. What the US did in Iran in 1953 was a coup (and wrong, I admit), but this was an election, which was overseen by international community.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
No, it wouldn't, we've worked so hard to create an Iraqi national army and stuff, so they would be able to protect it, or have we failed there as well? Face it: the Iraq war is a war started on lies, it's chaos (civil war) ATM and it will be chaos for a long time - there is NO point to stay there anylonger. What terrorists are you referring to? Oh and overthrowing Saddam was no coup, no? This election was most likely fixed, the men "in charge" in Iraq are handpicked by us.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
The terrorists I am referring to is the Sunni insurgents who claim to be freedom fighteres, but kill more of their own people than US military. The Iraqi War was perfectly legal, Sadaam violated multiple UN resolutions and kicked weapons inspectors out, what were the world to think?
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Where does U.S. come in? Since when did we become so obsessed with UN resolutions, and since when do we act militarily on the behalf of UN? I can tell you: what you said is bullshit. If we were SOOOOO keen on making countries following UN resolutions, WHY haven't we invaded Israel now then? That country has violated tons of UN resolutions, does NOT allow weapon or nuclear inspectors and have violated human rights many, many times, heck they even murdered UN personnel.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
So whats the use of the UN if resolutions are not enforeced? The first Gulf War (which was started by Sadaam) ended only because of Cease-fire agreement which Sadaam agreed to himself, and then proceeded to violate. The Iraq War is not illegal on those grounds. YOu seemed to be obsessed with painted a picture with the US being wrong all of the time and Iran being totally innocent. Like they don't support terror. LOL
mrbronze13 4 years ago
What's the use of selectively choosing which resolutions to be enforced as in the case of Israel? It's hypocricy and can simply be explained by one ord: AIPAC. Tell me, why haven't U.S. done anything about Israel and its violations of UN resolutions (amongst others)? No, I'm however highly critical of our Government as they don't act on the behalf of the American national or foreign interests. It's a sell-out. Show me some evidence that Iran supports terror, then we can talk.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
I don't deny that the US is completely innocent. I admit that my country has done some fucked up shit in past (Native American genocide, slavery, etc) You on the other hand is in some serious denial if you don't believe that Iran supports terror. Iran sponsors Hezbollah, who are considered terrorists by most countries. What proof would satisfy you? Do you need to see Nasrallah shaking hands with Khomeini(probably spelled wrong)?
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Well, first off, it all comes down to how one defines a terrorist. I don't consider Hezbollah to be a terrorist organization. I know Iran morally support Hezbollah because 1) they're the same Muslims 2) they share a common aggressor in the region: Israel. That doesn't, however, prove Iran is sponsoring either Hezbollah or groups in Iraq. Iran is openly talking about peace and freedom in Iraq, and apart from that, there's not much evidence to backup the outrageous claims made by the WH.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
How is Israel a threat to Iran? Who has threatened who here? Iran is involved with the Mahdi Army, and elements of Sadr's militia are death squads that murder Sunni families in retaliation for attacks on Shia neighborhoods. Some elements of Sadr's militia even train with Hezbollah in Lebanon and in Iran. Iran is the connection between these Shite militias. Hezbollah blew up a jewish synagogue in Argentina. It is common knowledge that Iran sponsores Hezbollah, they don't deny it.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Israel's a threat to Iran because they're using their influence in Washington, through AIPAC, to push America to go to war with Iran. Iran don't deny it? I recall seeing an interview with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the question given to him was if they sponsor Hezbollah - he denied it. Of course, if you've got any evidence to prove they ARE sponsoring Hezbollah or that they've admitted it, submit it and we can talk.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Hezbollah was formed by Iran's supreme ayatollah Khomeni and receives arms training and financial support from Iran. That information is not a secret--look up Hezbollah's history. Israel doesn't even share a border with Iran and have yet fought a war with the islamic republic. Why would they use their influene in Washington to fight a proxy war against Iran? World domination?
mrbronze13 4 years ago
As I've said before; I've yet to see any evidence to support the claims about financial aid and military training from Iran to Hezbollah. Why would Israel have U.S. going to war with Iran? Simple. 1) Iran is very critical towards Israel 2) Iran is the only country in the Mid East left with enough power to compete with Israel and be able to threaten her if they wanted to. A weakened Iran, or under U.S. control, benefits Israel's national interests to become the only superpower in Mid East.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Hezbollah was formed under the supervision of the IRGC in Iran. That is a fact. If it wasn't for Iran, there would be no Hezbollah. Iran is more than just critical of Israel, during the last few years I have heard Iran repeatedly threaten Israel. If Israel threatened to wipe Iran off the map, you would be screaming Death to the Zionists.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Hezbollah was formed as a result of the invaders of Israel, the IDF. Today, they're a paramilitary political and social organization. If IRGC was involved in their formation, I don't know and have not heard of it nor seen any evidence of it, but I assume you've got proof to backup your claim? Iran never directly threatened Israel, it threatened its radical and megalomaniac leadership, not the jewish people nor the country. The "wipe off the map"-babble is a deliberate misquote.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
How is the "wipe off the map" a misqote. Hezbollah has a political and Social wings, but they are very much terrorists. They bombed the marine barracks in 82, resulting in the loss of life of over 200 US Marines who were there on a peacekeeping mission on behalf of the UN and they blew up synagogue in Argentina. Hezbollah has cells across the world involved in everything illegal from drugs, arms dealing, to political assasinations.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Those were never the words he said, in fact, he never even mentioned the words "wipe" or "map" in his speech. He was referring to the extreme, dishonest and megalomaniac leadership of Israel, that is the current Israeli regime - he indirectly (not even that) called for a regime change. He never threatened Israel's existence or the people living there. Hezbollah is not really a terrorist organization, no, even though they've got a militant wing.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
What has the leadership of Israel ever done to Iran? Iran is simplying trying to become a superpower in the Middle East, and to do that they must stir up Anti-Israli sentiment. And if Hezbollah not a terrorist organization, who would you consider to be terrorist?
mrbronze13 4 years ago
The leadership of Israel is a threat to the [little] peace in Mid East and are trying to cause a huge Sunni-Shia war (or rather, they're using their compadres in the White House such as Elliot Abrams and other NeoCons. U.S. is currently funding Sunni extremist groups in Iran, those we'd normally define as terrorists, just to stirr up the violence with Shia (Iran amongst others). Israel's trying to become a superpower in the region, and with the help of a corrupted U.S., they might do so.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
How is Israel trying to become a superpower in the region? They continually make concessions with the palestinans, who elected terrorists to represent their goverment. What is the name of the Sunni terrorists you speak of in Iran, and what proof have you? Hezbollah is the most lethal terrorists organization in the world (even bigger than al Quaida). Their propoganda machine is huge and they currently have cells around the world. And this Sunni-Shia war has been going on for centuries.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
1) By acquiring nuclear arms 2) By having U.S. fight wars for them, against countries which could pose a threat in the future - a threat to their hegemony and superpower plans. The idea for them is to control Mid East so they can redraw the borders even further according to the specs. in the Torah - they're religious Extremists, Zionists, so it's no surprise. Regarding Sunni in Iran, I'll refer to Seymour Hersh's paper entitled "The Redirection" - his sources are current and former WH officials.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Israel has won all kinds of land in its wars with its neighbors, if Israel wants to increase borders they could easily. You call Israelis extremists, but fail to say the same for leadership of Iran. Pres Ahmadimajad (spelled wrong probaby), is the most extremists nut in Middle East. He wants war with west and Israel to precipate the return of the Mahdi.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Israel has started lots of wars to gain more land, but only with limited success. They want a part of Southern Lebanon, but Hezbollah wouldn't let them. Israelis are Extremists, yes, and sure, the Iranian regime could also be considered Extremists, but there are even worse (Sunni Extremists) in ME - people WE support ATM (to overthrow the Shiite Iranian regime). And no, Iran doesn't want a war at all, Ahmadinejad constantly speaks of peace in the region and justice for the Palestinians.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Israel decisively won the six-day war, and even made gains on the African continent in yom kippur war. If they wanted, they could almost triple their size. They kept the Golan Heights for strategic reasons, and they only attacked southern lebanon in 06 to stop rockets from pounding Israel cities. Ahmadinejad couldn't care less for sunni palestinians, he only postures himself to be a man of peace and justice to suit his purpose of becoming the symbol of islam's struggle with the west.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
No, they entered Lebanon prior to Hezbollah launching rockets into Israeli cities. The war didn't start the way the media and the Israeli government claims it did, as some journalists, eg. Seymour Hersh, have proved. The Bush Administration knew about the Lebanon-war before it started because the Israeli government briefed them about it. And no, Ahmadinejad has no intentions to start a war with the West, U.S. is on the other hand trying to start a war with Islam by provocing Iran.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
what proof have you of this? Of course Hezbollah claims that they were inside Lebanon, and the IDF claims they were in Israel. Its the same with the Iran-British crises. How is the US provoking Iran? The US has practiced nothing but diplomacy when it comes to Iran's nuke program. Both sides do not want war--the US would only go to war with Iran if they obtain proof that Iran's nuke program is being used to produce weapon.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Read Seymour Hersh's paper on it. Once again (and as always when it comes to foreign policy issues), his sources are current and formed WH officials. Bush, Cheneny and the NeoCons were actually informed of an attack on Hezbollah - to weaken them and their fighting ability in case of a future war with Iran. It's all strategic. Ofc., the IDF failed miserably in doing any real harm to Hezbollah. Diplomacy? Goddamn it, the administration refuses to have a dialogue with Iran, how's that diplomacy?
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Hezbollah is losing support among the lebanese people due to Nasrallah trying to undermine Sinora's goverment, and the fact that they were the cause of the deaths of over 1000 lebanese civillians. The IDF killed hezbollah at a ratio of 5 to 1. Whose fault that there is no dialougue. Diplomacy through a third party is still diplomacy. 1 on 1 talks with Iran and US will not work, the UN is the vehicle for all attempts at diplomacy with Iran.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Hezbollah isn't really losing support at all, I think people's realizing Sinora's a sell-out to U.S. They've put money into him, and he's then put money into Sunni radicals in Lebanon - Hezbollah and Sunni's even fight openly in the street. IDF won vs. the civilians, yes, not Hezbollah. Umm, it's the administrations fault, who else is there to blame for being arrogant? Diplomacy? Trying to force Iran giving up their [nuclear] rights, and punishing them through UN, you call that diplomacy?
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Hezbollah fired rockets from civillian areas, so they are to blame for high civillian casualties. What about Hezbollah purposely targeting Israeli citizens? and if Sinora is a sellout to the US, Hezbollah sold out Lebanon's interest for the interests of their benefactor--the Iranian government. And stop acting like it's only the US who doesn't want Iran to get nuke, the world is behind us in stopping Ahmadinejad from getting nuclear weapon.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Yes, they did, so what? I never approve civilian killing, but IDF - a selfproclaimed "professional" and "World-class" army as they are - should know better than targeting civilians. No, U.S. is trying to escalate the sectarian war, Sunni vs Shia in the region, so they finance Saudi Arabia and other states who support extremist Sunni groups to fight Iran and Hezbollah. And what evidence is there to suggest Iran's trying to get a nuke? None. It's all propaganda. As in the Iraq-case.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
So what? So it's okay for Hezbollah to target Israeli citizen? And you claim they are not terrorists? If Iran's nuclear program was truly peaceful, the world would have no problem. The lack of transparency in the program is enough to cause alarm. And in Iraq's case, the west had every right to go to war with Sadaam, who violated the cease-fire he agreed to several times. He foolishly kicked weapons inspectors out, thus sealing his own fate.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
No, can't you read? I said I clearly oppose that. Iran's nuclear program is peaceful until proven otherwise - which's it not been, Government officials and even Mr. Bush himself keeps making these outrageous claims but he never points on any evidence or the fact that Iran's nuclear facilities are open for the public - it's just propaganda to sell another war to the American people. No, they didn't, I've already responded to your claims on that. The reason for the Iraq-war was Israel - and AIPAC.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
So the fact that Sadaam blatantly violated the UN resolutions and the first Gulf War ceasefire had nothing to do with the Iraq war? I'm sick of people calling the Iraq war illegal when Bush had international law on his side when he invaded mesopotamia. Can you not read? Stop acting like it's only Bush and the US that opposes Iran nuclear program, the EU, China, and Russia all oppose the program because it's pretty obvious that oil rich Iran only neads nuclear power for one reason.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
No, because it wasn't even the reason given why we went to war there. The American people wouldn't have given a shit if the things you mentioned were given to the public as a reason to go to war. What the neoconservatives and Bush Administration did was to feed the people the lies about Saddam's alleged nuclear arms, that he intended to use them against us, and also, that he was somehow connected to al-Qaeda. They were all, naturally, lies.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
I don't ever remember Bush saying there was a 9-11--Sadaam connection. I heard the opposite. The big deal was that Sadaam kicked out weapon inspectors and defied international law. If anything, the UN should have did what the US did in 2003, but the UN is nothing more than a joke nowadays.. The American people are too ignorant to understand anything these days except for the rhetoric that you and the Rosie O'donnels spew everday--Bush is evil, Iran is good...Zionists...blah, blah, blah
mrbronze13 4 years ago
No, what they (the Administration) did was to pack them all (al-Qaeda, Saddam, etc) into one package and call them terrorists, thus misleading the public into believing they had a connection. But I do also remember that they specifically said they had connections. You're an idiot if you still believe your BS about "international law" - that wasn't even the excuse at all, so why do you keep repeating it? It's just not relevant. They had to sell the war to the people and made up the WMD's lie.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
So the UN stands for nothing? What's the point of having a UN if it's resolutions stand for nothing? Your are an idiot if you were mislead into thinking that Al-Queda and Sadaam have any connection. You are the one repeating bullshit about AIPAC and about how Hezbollah aint a terror group. You have an obvious anti-US bias.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Who said UN stands for nothing? I know what it stands for, although I disagree with having it acting as a World Government. Saddam violating UN resolutions was NOT the reason we went to war there nor was it the reason GIVEN to the people to go to war, so the question is; what are you on about? You're lost. AIPAC with the neoconservatives in the WH dictates the foreign policy to a large degree, anyone with a lil' knowledge knows that. Academics, politicians, researchers and observers knows it.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
We assumed that he had WMD's because he kicked the weapon inspectors out. Why would he do that if he didn't have anything to hide? He had more than enough reason to oust him because after 9-11, the US would be foolish to allow Sadaam to defy the cease-fire without consequence. So what would you have done if you were in charge of 200 million people? Pray that Sadaam's regime would attempt to rearm in blatanly disregard to resolutions. It's this thinking that got France defeated in WW2.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
That's not true, and if it was, it'd not justify an assumption that he had WMD's. Our officials said they knew where his WMD's were, they showed us their little images and made their claims - we believed them and went to war. Considering the fact that we fully supported Saddam, eg. in his war against the Iranians, it doesn't make sense that we turn our backs on him for simply ignoring UN resolutions - the oil and the Dollar-hegemony was one factor of going to war, Israel another.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
We also supported Stalin goverment in WW2 and immediately got involved in Cold War after Hitler was defeated. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. It sucks, but at the time Iran was extremely hostile (enbassy hostages), and their shia revolution threatened to spill across the middle east. Imagine if N Korea violated the 1952 cease-fire with S Korea. There would be a continuation of that conflict. The first Gulf War never ended.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Yes, we did cooperate with Soviet to crush the Third Reich, which's quite weird considering the fact that the Germans wanted peace in the final years of war, and we, plus the British, ignored it.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Are you seriously retarded? The Germans launched a major offensive right before the end of the war, and do you seriously believe that the allies would have settled for anything less than unconditional surrender after what Nazis did to Soviets, Jews, and Western Europe? You truly are biased if you are insinuating that the Third Reich wanted peace. Let me guess, Bush started WW2 and is responsible for holocaust too. lol.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Your insults (typical pro-Zionists who probably never finished high-school) and your babble doesn't address the fact that Germany did want peace before the end of the war, which was denied by the Allied countries.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Where did you go to school? Jihad university? Germany launched the battle of the bulge (A major offensive, they threw everthing at allies) two months before end of war. Hitler was fanactical, and thought that he could still win, even as Soviet troops began pounding Berlin. This is the first time I have ever heard anything about Germany wanting peace during WW2. They did during WW1 though, maybe you got your wars mixed up or you are just spewing typical jihadis, revisionist propaganda.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Jihad University, good one, where did you go to school yourself, did you get schooled and educated by AIPAC or what? Do the research on WWII and not on the JVL, and you'll realize that Germany offered peace, which was denied. It's a historical fact.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
I've looked for and found no evidence of such. The Japanese offered peace, but Allies would only accept unconditional surrender. You can't possibly believe that Germany offered peace during WW2. HItler was targeted for assasination several times because he believed that Germany could somehow still win war. He only committed suicide when Soviet troops were approaching his bunker. Hitler never entertained notion of surrendering to allies,espcially not to Soviets--who he considered sub-human.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
None of the European countries want to see a war or any military action against Iran as there's no evidence to backup the "nuclear arms"-argument. No evidence. As in the Iraq-case. Iran need the oil for exporti and the oil won't last forever you know, they need nuclear energy just as any other civilized nation do, but you wouldn't know that. You believe the nuclear ghost-story told about Iran.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
So are you saying that the US is trying to go to war with Iran? Bush is in a lose, lose. He invades Iraq, and gets labeled a war monger. The US diplomatically tries to resolve Iran nuke program issue, and gets labeled the same. Iran is playing the same game N. Korea played with the world. They deny that they are pusuing nukes until they actually have them, and then it is too late. You wouldn't know that, you believe the rhetoric that Ahmaddimejad and his extremists goverment tells you.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Not the U.S., the Bush Administration. Covert operations in Iran and funding of anti-Iran (anti-Shiite) Sunni Extremists are taking place right now, to heat things up, and maybe provoke an Iranian answer and then use that as a pretext for a military action. Imposing sanctions and refusing to have a direct dialogue with Iran isn't diplomacy, even a 5-year-old kid would know that, it's surprising you don't. Then there's also the covert operations, etc, that's certainly not gonna help.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Iran is the one acting warlike. If the US detained 15 IRGC members in Iranian waters you would have a seizure. Again I repeat, stop acting like it's the US vs Iran in nuke matter, not the world vs Iran. Even a 5 year old knows that. You are quick to place accusation without proof. What about Iran covert operations in Iraq? Are you going to deny Iran involvement in the insurgency, and keep saying that the US is doing the same in Iran? You are an idiot.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Iran is not acting warlike, no, any objective mind will tell you that. U.S. is preparing for war with Iran, and is doing covert operations inside Iran, come again - who's the aggressor? No, it's a U.S. vs. Iran issue, no other country in the World is so obsessed with having Iran abandoning its nuclear program which, by the way, is legitimate until proven otherwise. Where's the evidence of Iranian fiddling in Iraq? Is there any? No, it's just propaganda which you seem to have been flooded with.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
I hate to repeat myself but you have a short memory. The fact that Iranian weapons were found in Iraq, and that members of the elite Quds force have been captured if more than enough evidence of Iran meddling in Iraq. So the EU isn't talking to Iran over issue? The UN, which represents the world, has demanded that Iran stop enrichment. How more plainly can I say this?
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Once again, what does Iranian-made weapons prove? How do we know these were delivered recently just to be used to kill Americans? Who authorized it, have we solid proof of whoever "we" (Administration) accuse? Quds? Where did you learn that? Iranian diplomats were arrsted in Iraq and U.S. raided the Iranian embassy, that I know of. The UN can't demand that Iran give up something that they're entitled to according to NTP, and unless some proof of Iranian WMD-plans are shown, UN oughta STFU.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
How else would insurgents get iranian made weapons. Hell the way you think, you probably blame that one on Bush too. IRGC agents were arrested in Northern Iraq by US soldiers, the diplomat was snatched by Iraqi Security Forces(something fishy about that one.) N.Korea played the same game with the west and they got nukes anyway. The UN isn't as stupid as they look
mrbronze13 4 years ago
I think the Bush Administration is desperate to find something more legitimate than the old "WMDs" to blame on Iran, in order to sell another war to the people, so I don't consider faking evidence or making outrageous claims impossible. NK, just like Iran, wouldn't have any possibility to launch a nuclear attack at us even if they (assuming the Iranians have arms) wanted to. It's just like the Iraq-case, "Saddam has WMD's and he can attack us with them" - bullshit.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Bush won't go to war with Iran unless they strike first, or Iran flatly admit that they are developing nuclear weapons. And North Korea has the ability to hit nearly all of Asia including Japan (a strong ally), and most of the United States. The Taedephong(spelled wrong probably) missle still has some kinks, but it is a matter of time before they have ability to hit as far as Chicago.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Bush will go to war with Iran on a false pretext, just like Iraq. It'll either be, as Brzezinski said, a terrorist attack in the U.S. blamed on Iran, failure in Iraq blamed on Iran, or a deadly attack on American soldiers in Iraq blamed on Iran - that'll "justify" us bombing them. NK can't harm us with their nuclear arms, no, are you really that stupid? Neither will Iran, if they ever get nuclear arms as you say.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Do the research on the N Korean Missles. They can definately hit the west coast of US and even as far as Chicago. Not to mention that US bases and interests in S.Korea and Japan would be threatened. Are you retarded are just so biased that you have lost all logic and common sense? Where did you go to school?(for real, I'm not joking)
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Our defense systems would knock any North Korean missiles down, do you know anything about our military at all? If N.K. attacked us, we'd be able to pound them in any ways possible. You're just too fanatical in your pro-Israeli, anti-Muslim and anti-Communist views that you fail to realize a few basic matters of the current international political situation.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
our missle defense system isn't a sure thing. Kim Jong Il is insane and couldn't care less about launching a war in which he cannot win. You my friend are the fanactic. at least I admit that US has faults, you on the other hand can't even admit Hezollah are terrorists. you can't even condemn terrorist for committing heinous acts. I truly believe that you are an anti-semitic, al-queda wannabe. What country are you from? You must be from Canada. LOL.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Our missile defence system would take down North Korean missiles, even nuclear-ones. You oughta be a clueless fool if you disbelieve that. Hezbollah hardly fall under the category "terrorists" just because they've got a militant wing and are anti-Israeli. And I do condemn suicide bombers and terrorists, eg. the ones in Iraq, what made you think anything else? LOL! Here we go again, the good old "anti-Semite"-bullshit, I expected it to come earlier though. It's pathetic anyway, just like you are.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Our missle defense system isn't a sure thing, and our country isn't the only one at risk dumbass. Our military advisor would be foolish to allow N. korea to devolop nukes and terrorize East Asia (Japan and S. Korea). If that happens, S.Korean and Japan goes nuclear and the world would be on the brink of nuclear destruction. And your are an idiot if you think that Hezollah isn't a terrorist organization. In Iran they celebrate a death to America day: they are clearly a terrorist regime.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
If Iran had nukes, you know for sure they'd let Hezbollah have some. Then, Hezbollah can do whatever they want, like last summer, except it won't be a rocket attack.
aquinasss 4 years ago
That is what the West fears the most, that Iran will develop nukes and let terrorists use in proxy conflict with either Israel or US troops in Middle East. That is the reason why the West is weary of Iran nuclear program.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
thats that problem. she's spewing all of this out of hatred for Bush without researching it... unless she did research it and still came up with whatever she believes in. that's something nobody can do anything about. we can only question her intelligence or believe in her ignorance
domoi222 4 years ago
May I ask where you conducted your research?
aCobraBitMe 4 years ago
or you can look at the facts.
buckybadger9876 4 years ago
The facts support my belief that 9-11 was a terrorist attack. Of course this is a democracy and everyone is entitled to their opinion; but to respect the opinion of an idiot is very futile. People like Rosie paint a picture that Bush is Hitler reborn without neither facts nor merit. Of course she has an agenda, how else could she believe that Bush ordered the 9-11 attacks?
mrbronze13 4 years ago
The fact is that there are tons of questions and criticism left to address, something the U.S. Government hasn't done. Everyone's entitled to their opinion? Sure, as long as you STFU about it, especially if Israel or the catastrophic pro-Israeli U.S. foreign policy is concerned, you're entitled to your opinion. If you raise your voice, you're immediately subjected to bashing, slandering and smearing, mainly by the never-ending propaganda machine, oh I mean the media.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
I agree with you, but certain opinions hold more weight than others. For example, do you take Scientologists seriously? Or people who claim to have seen Bigfoot? Peopole like Rosie offer not one shred of evidence to support their claim, yet they have legions of idiots who will follow because bashing Bush is the country's new hobby. Wake up children! Don't be an idiot!
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Well, the Britain-Iran incident is fishy too. The Government should encourage a debate, not have media stirring up hate towards so the public will support an eventual invasion/attack on Iran, because believe me, U.S. is preparing for war with Iran at this very moment thanks to the Extremists in AIPAC and the NeoCons in the Bush Administration.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
The US is preparing for war in Iran because of Iran's warlike posturing. Many believe that the brits were in Iraqi territory when snatched. In fact, I believe that Iran targeted the Brits because there were a soft target (US rules of engagement would have allowed commanders to defend themselves in the Persian Gulf), and the captured Brits were used as a decoy for their nuke program.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
What "warlike posturing" are you referring to? Iran's enrichment of Uranium is something that lies in their national right to do, also according to the NPT. U.S. has no reason to go to war with Iran, Iran doesn't threaten anybody and hasn't, unlike U.S., attacked any nation in modern times. No, a war with Iran would one serve one nation's interests and that nation is Israel. U.S. is aggressive towards Iran because of AIPAC.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
The world is behind the US policy of trying to stop Iran from developing nuke. Iran has repeatedly threatened Israel, and is the leading sponsor of terrorism. Hezbollah kidnapped those hebrew soldiers at Iran's bidding, as a decoy because of international pressure against Iran. Have you not listened to Iran's politicians? Iran doesen't attack anyone directly, only by using proxies (Mahdi army, Hezbollah, Hamas...)
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Huh?! Come again? The World is behind U.S.? You're an idiot and clearly clueless if you stand by that claim. No European countries support the U.S. Government and their imaginary Iranian nuclear-bomb, neither China/Russia support U.S., in fact, they criticize us harshly. Even Pakistan and India have stated that they do NOT support an attack on Iran, and until the NeoCons show some proof, I think they'll find it hard both home and abroad to get support for another pointless war, with Iran.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
The EU, Russia, and China supports the US in wanted to deny Iran Nuke weapons idiot. The US doesn't want to attack Iran, but will if they continue on the path they are own. Have you not been keeping up with UN sanctions on Iran idiot? Every two or three months the UN orders more harsher sanctions against Iran idiot.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
No country in the World supports a U.S. attack on Iran. The only reason EU is condemning Iran is because U.S. put pressure on them. There's no intelligence to back-up U.S. claims about a nuclear bomb. Sure I have followed, retard, but UN sanctions don't mean shit - it's easy for U.S. to put pressure on UN as well, just like U.S. and Israel don't give a fuck about UN "condemning" their military actions. Neither China or Russia will support any harsher UN sanctions on Iran.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
If there was no intelligence to back up US claims, why the EU, Russia, and China are backing UN sanctions against Iran's nuke program retard? Russia and China aren't even US allies. Perhaps they fear the same thing, that Iran is developing a bomb retard. The fact that Iran is a state sponsor of terror probably have something to do with the world not wanting Iran to have a bomb.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Because doing otherwise would be politically incorrect. Where's the intelligence if it's so obvious? Where's the proof to suggest Iran is secretly building a nuclear bomb when their nuclear facilities is open for public view? Retard. Iran - state sponsor of terror? Where's the "evidence" to support that claim? What about U.S. supporting Kurdish rebels in Iran? The U.S. quick bashing others, but hardly review its own actions. If Iran is a "state sponsor of terror", then so is U.S. Period.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Sadr and his militia receive training from the IRGC in Iran retard, and they are involved in death squads. Hezbollah and to a certain degree Hamas also receive financial and military backing from Iran. And when has Russia and China ever supported anything the US has to be poltically correct? I am not saying that the US is completely clean in world affairs but to deny Iran is sponsoring terror is idiotic. You obviously have an anti-US bias.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
What evidence have you got to backup that claim about IRGC? Why would IRGC fund Sunni Muslims such as Hamas, and if they do, what evidence is there to support that? U.S. is not, in anyway, clean in world affairs, ever since WWII, the U.S. has become worse. I know Iran is supporting Freedom Fighters in the Mid East, but I've yet to see evidence they're DIRECTLY involved in U.S. casualties, as some people have alleged they are. There is just no evidence, it's just lies for a pretext for war.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
iranian made IED's are being funneled into Iraq by the quuds force. Freedom Fighters? The french resistance during ww2 were freedom fighters, General Washington was a freedom fighteres, the insurgents in Iraq blow up schools, marketplaces, and any reconstruction efforts in Iraq. How the fuck are they freedom fighters? They are terrorists plain and simple. Get your facts straight. Iran is a terror sponsor plain and simple, how can u not see that?
mrbronze13 4 years ago
Again, what evidence is there to suggest Iran fiddling in Iraq? None. It's just words taken out of the thin air to stirr up hatred towards Iran and blame them for U.S. failure and casualties in Iraq. In other words, it's just propaganda. Iran's leadership or the IRGC haven't assumed responsibility for any of the charges, and the evidence, as usual, is minimal and probably fabricated.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Iranian made weapons are being found in Iraq. Is the IRGC is not responsible for funneling weapaons into Iraq, who is? Iran does not want to see a stable Iraq, they have been attacked by Sadaam in past, so it is in there interest to keep Iraq weak and unstable.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
What does Iranian made weapons prove? It's like saying U.S. should be blamed for Palestinian casualties because U.S. is supplying Israel with the arms needed to kill Muslims. Iran does want a stable and secure Iraq, Saddam is since long dead in case you didn't know.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
Iran want'a another Shite revolution in Iraq to become the regional power. They are the ones benefiting the most from the Iraqi insurgency. If the US does not supply Israel with arms, Israel would get swallowed in Islamic tide and washed into the sea of history.
mrbronze13 4 years ago
What evidence is there to backup that outrageous claim? Iran has repeatdly stated they want peace in the region, especially Iraq, but also underlining the fact that peace will not come as long as AIPAC and the NeoCons are ready to push U.S. in another pointless war on the behalf of Israel. U.S. has no responsibility to give Israel arms, isn't it said that Israel has one of the best armies in the world? Without our taxmoney and our weapons, they'd not be shit. Israel doesn't deserve our support.
Trev1er01 4 years ago
So you believe Iran wants peace in the region? If that is true, why are they the number one state-sponsor of terror? You have the audacity to imply that Bush and his administration are liars, but believe the Iranian goverment. Israel defeated five muslims armies in 1948 without any US help, they can defend themselves. In fact, Israel has repeatedly made concessions for peace, yet the palestinian people voted in Hamas and continue to pursue a policy that will only lead to more violence.
mrbronze13 4 years ago