This design looks nice, but could be improved by flush-mounting the tweeter and using a fully customized crossover design that takes into account the specific drivers being used. It is possible to get most of the way to a true custom crossover using the manufacturer's FR curves, which are reliable enough for design. For my own most recent project I used the Excel-based design tools by Jeff Bagby to simulate everything possible and only needed to tweak one resistor (HF pad) by ear after that.
they look really nice good job. i love hivi myself i have the two b4n for a center channel and two hivi m12's for subs. im thinking about getting the m6a's for surrounds next with the same tweeters you have
@wilsonsann I haven't used any ribbon tweeters personally but I have a friend who was a professional installer/builder years ago and he is a big fan of them. If he likes them, I'm sure they're really good. I've just always liked domes.
The M6N that I use here would be good in a 3 way. I'm actually hoping to make a tower speaker using M8N's for the bass and maybe M5N's for the mids but the M6N's would work there too, they just won't go quite as high. Check out partsexpress's website
neat job, now be wize, cross em at about 90hz and wack tapped horn (google) into the mix, this type of horn is large but easly is designed to really complete the low end, 20hz to 70hz for example
I see 2500hz as a good crossover point as the woofer's Fr Diagram is smoothed and still you can see that the driver freaks out after 2khz,that's on either free air or measurements cabinet but whatever.
I don't really like listening to the tweeter from that low and specially when there's a huge cone driver but those will be just fine.
Did you took any measurements before put the crossover to tweak it,make a notch filter,and put it back,or you gone by the ear?
@truebassB Thanks man! I love em! I didn't do any tweaking or measuring, mainly because I don't have any measuring equipment. I just looked at the frequency responses of the tweeter and woofer and chose a logical crossover point. If it had sounded off I would have changed it but they sound awesome! The tweeters don't seem to mind being crossed over that low. I had the same thoughts as you in that area.
@truebassB I wish I could have taken measurements but I don't have any equipment to do that. I just put it in and had to go with it basically. After doing a whole lot of research I figured out that they should work fine though, which they did.
@7minkeyman Aw trust me,screw it,there is a whole lot improvement you can do,but if those are working fine to you any effort for improvement will be waste of time unless you are continuously working on DIY Speakers like me so you will need the equipment which will be at the start a measurements microphone,sound card and a bunch of resistors and cables to measure the drivers' Thiele/Small properties inside the case,those excluding the "testing" material you should use on the speakers.
hi im building a similar set and wondeing if you have the tweeter in reverse or normal polarity. the crossover dont take into acount the phase shift of 180 degrees at the crossover point for a 2nd order filter. but with the acoustic ofset between drivers taken into acount i found that it was better leaving them as labled by the crossover. not inverted. any comment on this???
@smoking2k I have the tweets wired in normal polarity. For the simplicitly of this project I didn't mess with the acoustic offset (what I usually call time alignment) and set the tweeter back in the baffle, which would improve sound. It is better to take the acoustic offset into account and I will do that on my future projects. I would recommend wiring the tweeters in normal polarity and keeping the time alignment. Sounds like a good project! Good luck! Let me know if you have more questions
@TupacsSouljah Thanks man! I love em! I thought about doing that but haven't yet simply because it'd be hard to hear how they sound by recording it and having the sound played through other speakers. Do you still think it'd be a good idea?
@7minkeyman Oh riiight. I didn't think of that. Well maybe if you've got some spare time on your hands you could probably do a little recording, but it's your choice. I personally would really like to hear them, because they look just plain amazing.They don't even look homemade, it's as if you went to a store and purchased them for a good amount of money! They're just so nice.
@TupacsSouljah Ok sounds good. Hopefully I'll be able to do that sometime soon. Thanks for the compliments! I'm really pleased with them and am planning on making a center channel next, then a set of MTM's to make a voice and tambre matched 5.1 system. Hopefully I'll get a video made soon.
Also if you'll notice in the second picture of the finished pair, you can see some AcoustaStuf in the way of the port. I thought I had left enough room for the port but ended up having to go back and make room for the port and rearrange some of the AcoustaStuf. It made a big difference in bass response. They went deeper after clearing the port
Awesome! Let me know how it goes! Right now I have them hooked up to an old Onkyo 5.1 receiver as part of a surround sound system. I'm planning on making a center channel next and then some MTM's that will all use the same series drivers and be voice matched. These sound amazing and have good bass and exceptionally clear highs. These handle 80 Watts RMS and I think the receiver I use is putting out a little less than that. They would sound even better with around 80 or so going in.
I am literally doing the exact same as projet as you! I bought a three way crossover for a mid woofer, general loudspeaker and a tweeter. I couldnt help but ask what amplifier you got for these? What was the wattage?
This design looks nice, but could be improved by flush-mounting the tweeter and using a fully customized crossover design that takes into account the specific drivers being used. It is possible to get most of the way to a true custom crossover using the manufacturer's FR curves, which are reliable enough for design. For my own most recent project I used the Excel-based design tools by Jeff Bagby to simulate everything possible and only needed to tweak one resistor (HF pad) by ear after that.
rorybz 6 days ago
they look really nice good job. i love hivi myself i have the two b4n for a center channel and two hivi m12's for subs. im thinking about getting the m6a's for surrounds next with the same tweeters you have
hiviman 3 weeks ago
wow, didn't know that brand, nice!
would you mind telling me how do you feel about the isodynemic ribbon tweeters?
and also, which 6.5" midrange would be suitable for throwing in a 3-way system?
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@wilsonsann I haven't used any ribbon tweeters personally but I have a friend who was a professional installer/builder years ago and he is a big fan of them. If he likes them, I'm sure they're really good. I've just always liked domes.
The M6N that I use here would be good in a 3 way. I'm actually hoping to make a tower speaker using M8N's for the bass and maybe M5N's for the mids but the M6N's would work there too, they just won't go quite as high. Check out partsexpress's website
7minkeyman 1 month ago
you donet stuff a box if your going to port it sealed only
Jamespenkowski1991 3 months ago
looks sweet
Tubestiina 3 months ago
neat job, now be wize, cross em at about 90hz and wack tapped horn (google) into the mix, this type of horn is large but easly is designed to really complete the low end, 20hz to 70hz for example
rainbowave777 4 months ago
Very very nice. Congrats on your build. I'm still tinkering with mine but its almost done...
svtcontour 4 months ago
very nice!! i wish i had the patience and knew how to finish them so good!!
nickihermosilla 10 months ago
very nice!!!
nickihermosilla 10 months ago
hy , in my country I can find only the M6A , is that good enough for a 3 way speaker ? or would a Dayton SD215 give better bass ?
MrPulamea 1 year ago
@MrPulamea The M6A is actually slightly better than the M6N so I would highly recommend it.
7minkeyman 1 year ago
These are looking awesome!
I see 2500hz as a good crossover point as the woofer's Fr Diagram is smoothed and still you can see that the driver freaks out after 2khz,that's on either free air or measurements cabinet but whatever.
I don't really like listening to the tweeter from that low and specially when there's a huge cone driver but those will be just fine.
Did you took any measurements before put the crossover to tweak it,make a notch filter,and put it back,or you gone by the ear?
truebassB 1 year ago
@truebassB Thanks man! I love em! I didn't do any tweaking or measuring, mainly because I don't have any measuring equipment. I just looked at the frequency responses of the tweeter and woofer and chose a logical crossover point. If it had sounded off I would have changed it but they sound awesome! The tweeters don't seem to mind being crossed over that low. I had the same thoughts as you in that area.
7minkeyman 1 year ago
@truebassB I wish I could have taken measurements but I don't have any equipment to do that. I just put it in and had to go with it basically. After doing a whole lot of research I figured out that they should work fine though, which they did.
7minkeyman 1 month ago
@7minkeyman Aw trust me,screw it,there is a whole lot improvement you can do,but if those are working fine to you any effort for improvement will be waste of time unless you are continuously working on DIY Speakers like me so you will need the equipment which will be at the start a measurements microphone,sound card and a bunch of resistors and cables to measure the drivers' Thiele/Small properties inside the case,those excluding the "testing" material you should use on the speakers.
truebassB 1 month ago
hi im building a similar set and wondeing if you have the tweeter in reverse or normal polarity. the crossover dont take into acount the phase shift of 180 degrees at the crossover point for a 2nd order filter. but with the acoustic ofset between drivers taken into acount i found that it was better leaving them as labled by the crossover. not inverted. any comment on this???
smoking2k 1 year ago
@smoking2k I have the tweets wired in normal polarity. For the simplicitly of this project I didn't mess with the acoustic offset (what I usually call time alignment) and set the tweeter back in the baffle, which would improve sound. It is better to take the acoustic offset into account and I will do that on my future projects. I would recommend wiring the tweeters in normal polarity and keeping the time alignment. Sounds like a good project! Good luck! Let me know if you have more questions
7minkeyman 1 year ago
Those are beautiful man! amazing quality in your work and designs. Do you have a sound test video of some sort?
TupacsSouljah 1 year ago
@TupacsSouljah Thanks man! I love em! I thought about doing that but haven't yet simply because it'd be hard to hear how they sound by recording it and having the sound played through other speakers. Do you still think it'd be a good idea?
7minkeyman 1 year ago
@7minkeyman Oh riiight. I didn't think of that. Well maybe if you've got some spare time on your hands you could probably do a little recording, but it's your choice. I personally would really like to hear them, because they look just plain amazing.They don't even look homemade, it's as if you went to a store and purchased them for a good amount of money! They're just so nice.
TupacsSouljah 1 year ago
@TupacsSouljah Ok sounds good. Hopefully I'll be able to do that sometime soon. Thanks for the compliments! I'm really pleased with them and am planning on making a center channel next, then a set of MTM's to make a voice and tambre matched 5.1 system. Hopefully I'll get a video made soon.
7minkeyman 1 year ago
@7minkeyman
Sweet, hope it all goes good for you man.
TupacsSouljah 1 year ago
@TupacsSouljah Thanks man. Subscribe if ya can and I'll try to post a sound demo video sometime soon.
7minkeyman 1 year ago
@7minkeyman
Will do my friend.
TupacsSouljah 1 year ago
Thanks!
7minkeyman 1 year ago
Looks Like a Very Fine Set of speakers....nice job.
form109 1 year ago
Also if you'll notice in the second picture of the finished pair, you can see some AcoustaStuf in the way of the port. I thought I had left enough room for the port but ended up having to go back and make room for the port and rearrange some of the AcoustaStuf. It made a big difference in bass response. They went deeper after clearing the port
7minkeyman 1 year ago
Awesome! Let me know how it goes! Right now I have them hooked up to an old Onkyo 5.1 receiver as part of a surround sound system. I'm planning on making a center channel next and then some MTM's that will all use the same series drivers and be voice matched. These sound amazing and have good bass and exceptionally clear highs. These handle 80 Watts RMS and I think the receiver I use is putting out a little less than that. They would sound even better with around 80 or so going in.
7minkeyman 1 year ago
I am literally doing the exact same as projet as you! I bought a three way crossover for a mid woofer, general loudspeaker and a tweeter. I couldnt help but ask what amplifier you got for these? What was the wattage?
95perkins 1 year ago
Good Job (Y)
DjGlennm95 1 year ago