Oh, also check out Exodus 25, when God is not only saying to make a graven image, but giving specific detail on how (2 golden cherubim)....truth in love ya'll.
Look up what a graven image is and you will see that any drawing, sculpture, even pictures of your family are graven images.So I guess we're all going against God, or maybe he just didn't want us to worship these things, which catholics don't. You like pictures of your family up in your house as a reminder, well we like pictures and art in God's house as a reminder of God's family.
I think there is just this huge disconect between catholics and other denominations in christianity. From the out side looking in, it really appears as if there is alot of idolatry in the catholic church. Why even make images of saints for people to turn to when God is all they need. Why pray to Mary or priests when it is Christ alone who paid the price for our sins and protects us in the day of judgement. How the church is structured is also confusing, it even seems as if the pope is worshiped.
hahahahaha i laughed like mad watching this video.. THis man can barely talk and doesnt even know what to say next..And says catholics are scared of his video lol..... you sound so scared in this video as if you are lieing. and im sure you know your lieing. look at the lack of confidence in your voice i think you need to first sought out your own mind and clear the issues you have in your self pray to Lord Jesus Christ to guide you and fill you with light...
@182RG Yes good point -prayer and worship are different.However when one sees people bowing before a picture or statue of mary or the saints its difficult believe that they are just praying to make requests.The angel in rev 19 v10 did not allow john to bow before him and neither did peter in acts 10v26.
Honestly, I've never seen anyone bow to a statue in the church. Not to say it doesn't happen, as I know some people seem to get a little carried away with Marian devotion. Nevertheless, it's not my (or your) place to judge their hearts.
I always heard that Lucifer's problem was that he didn't want to be subservient to man, so maybe John's angel knew better? :) As for Peter, remember that was a different age. Nowadays bows are meant as signs of respect rather than worship.
Marian devotion is just a phrase referring to a person's love for Mary. Sometimes people devote themselves to some extent to her. This in no way is equal to the love and devotion we have for Christ. There are many articles online telling why we revere her. This short article might be helpful - remove all spaces:
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I can't find the bible verse, but when the bible states "do not make graven images for idols" the key words there are "FOR IDOLS". Catholics or Orthodox do not worship the graven images or even what they represent (unless its Jesus). Another verse in the OT says to not make graven images of things in Heaven which you have not seen but an image has been given and His name is Jesus.
Ex 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth." NASB
Heavens above, on the earth... is referring to animals, which was common idol material in that age. Scripurally, "heavens above" generally means "skys"; "above the heavens" equates to heaven as we use the word.
They forget that exactly when God gave these commands to Moses, the Israelites were worshiping the golden calf. Ex 32:4
When these people who take that command out of context are to honor it in the fashion they claim it intends, if they have any sculpted or molded animal of any sort, they are sinning. I have a bunch of toad frog statues - sinful by their interpretation. Berenstein bears? Guilty again. And that fish on top of the kid's pen? Guilty. Can they really think, especially when Ex 32 to Ex 40 is read, that is what God meant???
And Soloman's temple built per God's instructions with carved lions?
The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the QUEEN OF HEAVEN, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.-Jeremiah 7:18
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
lol, who do you think you are to say to us dont do it if you don't want to accuse. Do you know what you are talking about? Are you god who can read the mind of each of catholic who kneel, and use the image of holy god when we meditating, who do you think you are to judge us that we are worshipping the statue or picture of holy image. Can you see the image in our brain, in our mind of who exactly we are adoring, and worshipping? You lie, you can not even proove it cos you can't read our mind
@lovencare62 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. -1 Timothy 4:1-3
@lovencare62 Furthermore I do not condemn you. The Bible condemns us all as sinners. I'm simply pointing out the heresy of the RCC. You had been better flee them. Salvation is without works.
Gee! I thought dinosaurs were extinct. Apparently you must be the(hopefully) last of that species! Really, I thought non-catholics had finally realized that we (catholics) do not and never have adored statues or pictures of the Virgin Mary or any of the saints. Go to some catholic site like that of Father Barron, a Catholic Theologian. We do adore Jesus in the Eucharist, because we Catholics believe in "The True Presence" of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament. After 1500 AD many ceased to believe!
“To be steeped in history is to cease being Protestant”, Cardinal John Henry Newman. Research the teachings of the early Church fathers... They are invariably Catholic.
Keep searching brother. You have grave misunderstandings about what the Catholic Church teaches. Do your homework before posting videos. You say you follow Holy Scripture. Did Jesus lie when He said that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church? I have faith that if you keep searching for the TRUTH, God will guide you to the Catholic faith.
@mhans4 The Catholic Church has adobted many things of pagan origin, would you consider the gates of hell to have prevailed against it? You've been deceived. Jesus was not talking about Peter, Jesus is the only rock. The Scriptures never say that Peter became pope and there is no proof of him ever being in Rome. Peter was married (Matthew 8:14), a violation of Catholicism's own rules on celibacy. Why does the Vatican prohibit marriage for their priests, when the Bible says Peter had a wife?
@Soldurius I don't have enough room here to address all of your points but I would recommend visiting catholic.com if you are a sincere seeker of the truth. Particularly the article "Origins of Peter as Pope". I would like to point out that the Catholic Church has nothing to do with pagan religions. Similarities in symbols do not prove your argument. The onus is on you to prove any claim of paganism. Good luck. It has been tried before.
@mhans4 Furthermore, the website that contains that information about paganism adopted by the RCC is Jesus is savior dot com, simply type 'catholic heresies and human tradition.' Such examples are the Rosary or prayer beads, introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090 AD copied from Hindus Mohammedans and even veneration of angels and dead saints which was started in 375 AD. Serve God in truth and flee the RCC. Jesus is your mediator, not Mary.
@Soldurius Again, check your sources. If you want to research a religion, learn the teachings of that religion from that religion. If I wanted to learn what Lutheran's believe I would read Martin Luther and other Lutheran authors. Why do you read anti-Catholic propaganda in order to learn what the Catholic Church teaches? Go to Catholic.com, you owe it to yourself.
@Soldurius haha you even proud of your statements here which shows how ignorant you are. How come you saying you are a christian but you have never learnt and experienced and even practiced the fullness of truth of faith, beliefs and tradition of being a true christian. I have found of many non catholics and protestants, they are many of them were bible scholars but were finally end up to become a catholic. Converted. they've found the truth faith only in the catholic church and no one else.
Nowhere in any of my statements did I say I was a Protestant nor on my channel. Why do you presuppose this idea? Is it common for you to simply call anyone who disagrees with you, a Protestant?
@Soldurius Oh... one more thing. "Jesus replied, Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." (Matt. 19:11–12).
@mhans4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (1 Timothy 4:1-3)
This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Catholic Bishops are not allowed to marry, I guess the RCC's word overrides the Bible.
@Soldurius The Catholic Church has already answered all of the arguments you are making but you fail to even look at them. Your hatred blinds you and your arguments are old. I will pray for you.
"His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry." Matt 19:10
1 Corinthians 7: 1-2
"Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." To not marry out of choice or condition is different than one who is 'forbidden' to marry because of some catholic dogma.
@Soldurius Your ignorance of Catholic teaching is astounding. Priestly celibacy is a discipline of the Church. It is not dogma nor doctrine. As a discipline it could be changed, however, NO Catholic priest has ever been "forbidden" to marry. They VOLUNTARILY took a vow of celibacy in order to better serve the Kingdom. I could post passages from Scripture to counter all of yours but, quite frankly, that would lead to a circular argument. Please check out catholic.com
There is an obvious misunderstanding of the definition of idolatry. It is not the physical statues that God has the problem with (otherwise why would He order their construction in the Temple and on the Ark) but rather the true root of what He hates is the false gods they represent. Although idols can be statues or other forms of art, Paul points out that idolatry is anything that derives our attention from God. When we focus too much on our own selfish intentions and desires, we commit idolatry
You know I have to laugh at you, You take great pleasure casting judgement against Catholics where you have no right to judge, just remember that when your time comes and you are at the judgement seat of CHRIST,how will you explain your choice for judging Catholics?
Not offended by the words of god but offended by a Bigots take on what he believes a catholic believes by the way a true christian doesn't lie and make up BS either with their simplistic notions and no proof
At 2:50 " A True Christian.. will try and follow God's word which he finds in the King James text"" So Mary & the Apostles weren't true Christians because the KJV wasn't written for another 1600 years and they couldn't follow it. That is WRONG! The Gospel was spoken before it was written down . The Apostles preached the gospel years before it was written down, and the Apostles built the Holy Church as ordered by Jesus Christ. you keep your 400 yo KJV , I will keep my 2000 yo Holy Church!
You need to know Jewish tradition and be fluent in Hebrew and Greek to interpret the Bible correctly. It gets frustrating when people read the Bible as if it were written yesterday. It is not that we "hate", but we do get frustrated.
Typical Calvinistic Protestant....They are the reason I became a catholic,all their prejudices and their 'right ways'.Im so glad Im a Catholic,and Yes it is the true church,Idols-Please give me a break
I think you misunderstand the role of statues in Catholic devotion.
Catholics don't idolise or worship statues, they are used to portray certain qualities of saints etc and to help us to relate to them. All prayer is ultimately directed to God.
After all God commanded that cherubim be engraved on the Ark of the Covenant, not so that the engravings would be worshipped, but that it would evoke heavenly sentiments.
@ilikesultanas i dont think the message is put down catholics. infact, they are all different. just like christians are all different. but i think the real prob. here is , what is idolatry? what is honor? and what does the word say? the orthodox church honors saints but im pretty sure they dont bow down to them and think they need an intercession between christ and them. not part of the triniity we dont worship nor adore it, bottem line. wat is worship? can we ignorantly idolize something?
He said don't make any idols AND bow down to them. I have seen Roman Catholics bowing down to statues of saints (and especially Mary) frequently. The excuse is used that "Well, we have statues in this country honouring heroes like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln, but that doesn't mean we worship them does it." Granted, but do you bow down to said statues of these national heroes and/or kiss their feet? No, so that's irrelevant.
@rjky1986 its idolatry youre right. and they are so curropt in thier religous ways they are blind to it. just like most christians are blind to thier idolatry. less than half of self proclaimed catholics and prodestants are actually saved.
I agree with the message in this video, and I subscribed. I just want to say thought that the King James Version is not necessarily the only version that contains God's Word. I think numerous others have the same Word, though a different yet synonymous word is used here and there. However, you speak the truth, and as a former Romanist I love your work.
An idol does not mean "statue" or "painting". The Bible is referring to pagan gods. We Catholics simply honour images of Christ and His greatest followers, such as Mary.
I would suggest any anti-Catholics to do some honest research on the supernatural occurrences surrounding certain Catholic statues and paintings. For example, more than once, they have discovered Madonnas which had unexplainable tears of blood
@TonoFonseca hahah an idol is an idol. what is idolatry? no offense to catholic ppl as a whole . but its insane . the responses and excuses i hear to cover up the idolatry in the lives of the religious. persecution hurts but conviction is over bearing.
@TonoFonseca u know something . believers dont need to prove gods exsitance, because we know that god is inside everyone, hes just turned off, and he sends the ppl when they are ready. but satan does prove himself to be real because he knows that ppl are cardnal in their ways and they will believe it. tears of blood? u sure that was from God? or was it satans tactic to sustain idolatry. ABOMINATION AND IDOLATRY
Statues of Mary that cry blood are considered to be forms of Stigmata. Do you know what Stigmata is? The last person to have Stigmata was Padre Pio, who died in 1968. It is a revealing of God's Presence, and an epiphany from God helps to solidify the beliefs of even the most staunch Christians.
@TonoFonseca good. my point is that some of them do. not all catholics idolize saints and priests but more than half do it, thats not a lie. Not all prodestants are hypocrites, but more than half are. the only prob. i have is when a religion denies they do things they obviously do in the their church. thats the prob. with paganism. if you dont idolize saints and statues , then thats good.
@TonoFonseca wat i was saying about mary crying is that God said that statues do not have life. he stated that they dont speak, then i dont believe they would cry, otherwise that would contradict the word.
@TonoFonseca i understand. just as long as they are an icon and not an idol. in reality, its easy to idolize something. anything he habitualy use to become closer to God is an idol. and most of us wont admit it until grace lets us know wat we are doing. use the holy spirit to dicern , seek god to reach a holy life, then ask yourself if you are in the good. God bless you-
I never understood why people think they are doing the will of Jesus by opposing the church that he instituted while on Earth. I will pray for you man.
If merely praying before a heavenly represntn is wrong, then doing the same before a bible or an altar is also equally wrong for Ex 20 also says Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image(of anything in heaven) or that is IN THE EARTH BENEATH. If a Christian prays before something that spiritually brings them closer to God, be it a Motion Picture, or an image of Christ it is in the love of Christ not a false deity. Read Ex 25, God is not self contradicting; he would,per ur interpretation.
want to know someting you ave the most boring voice on all of you tube and i want to let you know tht unless you were onces a catholic you don't really know the religion and tht god also said never judge others and tht the one tht ever puts someone down on their faith sould beware and i want you to think about this what is it tht u are trying to do here huhhh?????? cause if you tink about it all you are doing is making people think twice about beliving in God
Interestingly, the Bible doesn't forbid the making of all images, just those fashioned as a substitute for the true God. The bronze serpent and the cherubim on the ark prove this conclusively. As a former protestant, I find the use of icons (statues, crosses, paintings, etc) to be a very holy and inspirational practice. It has been a Christian tradition since the earliest times. Archaeology confirms it.
Bowing is an act that says "YOU are GREATER than me"; in the Old Testament you read of people bowing down to other people without any accusations of idolotry, so the RCC does the same today, showing honor to those that have passed on. And they can only be called an idoloter if they believe that a person or stature itself is divine.
had you bothered to look up Catholic doctrine (teachings) then you'd realise that they are doing the equivelant of asking a friend to pray for whatever. they aren't bowing down and worshipping them
Before you go spreading misconceptions as a result of your lack of understanding of the church and scripture, please listen to this great explaination. This video explains in so much better than any words that could fit here.
watch?v=cpXnRbgOM74
Therefore here is my comment - yes this IS out of line.
I think GOD meant in making pictures of other gods like agustus , jupiter ,crishna etc. thats the one that should be destroyed than representation of Christ and the saints
Ha ha ha... How can someone feel insulted by this guy who is so afraid that his voice shakes and doesn't know what to say next?
He is so ignorant that he doesn't know that the Catholic Church, following the Scripture, forbids idolatry, for it is a sin against the 1st Commandment given by God himself.
In the Catholic Church only God is *adored* and this is called "latria". Saints are not adored, but rather *venerated* which is called "dulia".
Saints are venerated in a very specific way: by imitating their virtues in order to get to Christ, and by asking for their incercession. Don't our family and friends ask us to pray for them and our prayer is valid? Well, the same happens when someone asks a saint for his intercession.
So, don't listen to this poor *Ignorant of Hell* who cannot even talk in front of a camera without melting in panic.
@ladisae ha ha ha . then why do they do it?. why do christians idolize thier preacher? do you bow down to idols? if you knew anything about being holy and doctrine, you wouldnt insult someone because of his speech, youd listen to the message
To enter heaven one has to be holy. This is only possible with the Grace of God, through faith in Jesus. God knew that without his Grace we will never live in holiness and never enter heaven. So Jesus died on the cross to reconcile us to God. Once reconciled we are able to receive his Grace by the power of the Holy Spirit who will transform our heart of stone to hearts of flesh. Our hearts of flesh then allow us to live in holiness which will give us entrance into heaven.
Praise God you recognized the truth. Please the truth on youtube. Others may not understand this simple truth. Once you know this truth and read the bible all will fall into place like a jigsaw puzzle. God Bless You
In Isaiah God comdemn those who makes graven images and call them god or gods and therefore make it equal to HIM.
God did not ban graven images. Read Exodus 25 and you'll see that God commanded Moses and Aaron to make graven images of the Seraphim which BTW is 5 ft. tall. Images and statues on the Ark of the Covenant, which BTW is made out of Gold. The Jews bow down to these. Not to worship it but to venerate.
Dude you have no idea what you are talking about, go to library pick up a history book and learn more about Christian history. Hence there you will find the truth and only then can you pick up God's word and start reading. The only thing you do is use God's word to shoot out your hatred of His Church.
Lol another Anti-catholic who follows his emotion of hatres of the true faith. LOL, read history, the same people you hate are the ones who put together the bible. Oh I am sorry does that strike your nerve? Even the KJV has some Catholic in it, except its been distorted.
Why is the king james text the end all be all? Martin Luther took some of the text out of the bible because he didn't feel like teaching it.That is what the King James version of the bible. If you are going to use something as you proof at lest have all of the text for proof. There are 72 books in the bible not 68.
"A true christian will try to follow God's words which he finds in the King James text " Give me a break! You are pretentious and judgemental. Who gave you the authority to discern scripture and then attack the Body Of Christ? You are a bigoted ignorant hater disguised a follower of Jesus. I should not have to say this but I will- Jesus Christ is the reason the Catholic Church exists, He is First and Last in all things and obedience to Christ is how we Serve and Glorify God!
God, after commanding the Israelites not to make a graven image, commanded them to make cherubim sculptures and to put a bronze snake on a pole which would heal people when they gazed on it (are these graven images?). As long as they do not worship them (bowing down does not equal worship) it is fine. Someone may go to a church to pray specially rather than pray elsewhere- does this make the church a graven image as well?
TheAmazingImbecile-the difference is between looking at an image and praying "through" it; which is what Catholics readily admit they are doing-and it is exactly the same thing that pagans do -they pray through their images.
Looking at images or being in a church helps you focus on the prayer. Many Christians may pray with music in the background- is that idolatry? The Israelites were healed "through" a bronze snake although it was actually God's power doing the healing.
No, they were healed "through" the bronze snake. The fact is that all who looked at the bronze snake were healed, and thus it was "through" the bronze snake. (note: this does not mean the bronze snake had power of its own; all of the healing power came from God working "through" the bronze snake)
teeth of the lamb are you mocking Christ.Christ is just the only one called the Lamb of God.YOUR SAYING THAT YOUR A PREACHER OF GOD and Jesus .you dont even represent them .Your spreading hate not love!
Catholics do not worship anybody but God.'We venerate Mary and the saintst and regard icons and images in much the same way that onre would kiss your wife's or mother's photo. You love your mother or wife not th paper on which the photo is printed yet it's the paper you kiss.
Kissing is an outward act but it's different when you kiss your wife and when you kiss your mother. Catholics kneel before God and kneel before images but in their hearts they know worship is only for God.
Re-Vicar of Hell: God did not forbid the making of graven images, but the worship of such images.
Exodus 25:18 "Make two cherubims of beaten gold for the two ends of the propitiatory, fastening them so that one cherub springs direct from each end..."
Numbers 21:7 The Lord said to Moses, "Make a saraph and mount it on a pole...Moses accordingly made a bronze serpent..and whenever anyone...looked at the bronze serpent, he recovered."
Yes, God's word itself is not offensive, its YOUR interpretation that is! You claim to be a Christian yet you do not follow Jesus' last command... to love your neighbors, you and your fellow protestants keep attacking other, perpetuating HATE! HATE sir is the opposite of LOVE. If GOD is LOVE what are you who promote HATE?
Seems obvious that the deaths in Ireland fighting between Catholics and Protestants is not enough for you! You perpetuate the hate between the two. YOU SIR CONDONE HATE! JESUS SAID LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS I HAVE LOVE YOU. A TRUE Christian will not attack fellow CHRISTIANS! As a matter of fact Fellow HUMANS!
From the responses below, you can see that the Catholic takes a defensive attitude!! I know it, because, up to some ten years ago, I was there!
Of course, until then, other than the here-and-there out-of context verses read, the Bible was not a book to which I ever referred!! Why should I have? The Catholic Church having taught that the Bible is not "necessary reading"!! Cathechism was!
So, I raised my son a Catholic, altar boy and all!! It took his death on July 9, 2009, for me to open my eyes to the truth of God's Word!
I never understood being Born Again,... until it happened to me!! Cannot tell you exactly when it happened, but, it is a knowledged that floods my soul with the certainty I am saved!! NOTHING WILL TAKE ME AWAY FROM HIM!!
Whereas the Catholic's hope is to "serve" the fewest years possible in a non-existent "purgatory," provided enough people pray for them, I KNOW I AM GOING TO HEAVEN!!
Hebrews 9:26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now ONCE at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
28 so Christ also, having been offered ONCE to bear the sins of MANY, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
The "sacrifice" of Mass is an outright offense against Christ's offering of Himself for the sin of MANY!! HE DIED ONCE FOR ALL, NEVER TO HAVE TO DIE AGAIN!! HE COMPLETED THE REQUIREMENT!
"VICAR OF HELL" IS a truthful video!!
Thank you for posting it!! The truth hurts only if it is that one is not blameless!
Idol implies a false God does it not? The statues that Catholics revere are anything but false. To call an image of Christ or His holy mother an idol is a sacrilidge and offensive to the very God you are attempting to honor. God gave us the gift of reason and this argument is simply unreasonable. You are in my prayers. Someday you will understand.
I find it very comforting to have a "picture", so to speak, of Jesus. It helps me feel that He is closer. As for the statues of the saints, they are also "picture reminders" of how we as christians(no matter what denomination)are to conduct ourselves. With boundless love and respect for all-of the faith or not. Whether we disagree or not.
I don't think that teethofthelamb is judging Catholics. This is one of the many things that Protestants and Catholics cannot agree on. And may never. The only thing that matters is the Holy Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. And honestly, when Jesus comes back to earth I don't even think I'll care enough to ask Him who is wrong or right. But I know as a Catholic I do not worship the statues in my church.
"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" Matt 7: 1-5
You cited Exodus 20:5...You made a video of yourself-A GRAVEN IMAGE..Brewhahaha you sinisterly laughed as you MADE YOURSELF A GOD TO JUDGE THE LEADER OF THE OLDEST, TRUEST CHRISTIAN ESTABLISHMENT ON EARTH THAT TRACES IT ROOTS BACK TO THE APOSTLES!!!!!!! What a shame.
This excerpt was taken from the NAB bible and is the response to the question "For what purpose do Catholic churches have statues of saints?" Here are some biblical references(Ps 34:7; Ps 91:11; Tb 12:12,15; Mt 18:10; Lk 15:10; Acts 12:15; 1 Cor 4:9; Heb 1:14; Rv 1:4; Rv 3:1; Rv 4:5; Rv 5:6-8; Rv 8:3-4.)
Statues(or icons in the Eastern Christian tradition)are an aid to veneration of the saints and a means of rememberance of the heroes of the faith. None of this is in opposition to God. St. Jerome said that "we show veneration to the servants so that it might radiate back from them to the Lord." No Catholic who knows anything about the Catholic faith has ever worshipped a statue of plaster(as in pagan idolatry).
Devotion to saints no more interferes with or corrupts the unique adoration due to God than does love for our friends and relatives. If we cherish the memory of mere political heroes such as Thomas Jefferson with statues, and war heroes with monuments, and even great sports figures, then what can be the objection to honoring saints and righteous men and women(Rom 12:10; Heb 12:22-23; 1Pt 2:17)?
The bible says we are "surrounded" by "so great a cloud of witnesses"(Heb 12:1). These are the saints in heaven. Many commentators think this vivid metaphor is describing the saints in heaven watching us and cheering us on, like spectators in a sports arena. Catholics also believe in angels, and guardian angels for each person.
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."
Exodus 25 - God asks Moses to construct an idol.
What's the point? Moses didn't bow down to the idols. But funny how the Ark was so revered.
Yes, Catholics make statues and idols, but they DO NOT bow down to them. They are used in prayer and meditation, as a window to revere; in veneration.
What I would like to know is how does the author of this video know that the people kneeling before a statue are Catholic? He is implying that they are, but how does he know they aren't some non denominal Christian? How many Catholics(that he knows are definitely Catholics) bow down and WORSHIP(like it is a God) a statue? Basically he is assuming facts that are not in evidence in this particular case.
i think you make good points, which most seems to be missing....do not bow to idols.whether you think it is worship or not in your mind, bowing down and praying in other names then our father who made us is wrong. i think we all have left him out a little long, dont you think?
I don't need a statue, picture or anything else other than the bible. I can go any where and pray. Statues ( also man made) are a worldly thing, and just loving God with heart and mind is spiritual. And, being spiritual is something not of the world.
sometimes it doesn't make sense when someone says that they are catholic because their grand grand parents are catholic and they will fight till death of what they believe. I just pray that we should research and study the bible and do some background check..because salvation is here and now..it's too late when we are dead. I just pray that we should know what were believing...is it really what God's want or because we are comfortable in our religion...Please read the bible...it's all there.
The images of The LORD and the Holy Mother are not themselves ever worshiped. They are a focus for prayer for the faithful and a way to honor what The LORD and Holy Mother did.
My honest warning to you and everyone else who does not realize it yet, focus getting into a personal REAL relationship with The LORD instead of continuing the denomination fighting. He will tell many Christians away with you, I never knew you. Brother Jan sums it best with this video:
Please refer to the original scripture in Greek and Hebrew and see that the reference is to PAGAN Idols. Denominations stop with the division of the Body of Christ. Images that honor the Holy Mother and The LORD are NOT pagan idols.
Martin Luther and other Protestant leaders who broke away from the flock of Peter removed many books from the original Bible. They had no divine authority to break the Body of Christ. They are not the line of Peter and never will be.
At the end of the day since the original bible of 73 books was composed by Catholics, ask a Catholic to interpret it not someone who is following a bible with 66 books because that there alone shows lack of knowledge. The only shock to the brain of the Catholic in this matter is knowing how many protestants are being dragged into protestant heresy. We are all trying to follow one Lord but Jesus Christ came to establish one church and that church is the one he left Peter in charge of, not 35k.
I hope the day when Catholics and other Christians will get along and agree with each other will come soon. We are all children of the Lord, yet we bash and insult each other.
In God's omnicience, He explains everything thru the writings in Exodus about graven images if one would just use logic and common sense.
At the very same time God gave Moses the false god / idol commandment, He commanded 2 cheribim be made ("graven images ..heaven above") for the Ark. Again at this exact time, Aaron was making the golden calf idol - which infuriated Moses.
In His wisdom, here He explicitly demonstrated statues/decorations are pleasing ; idols & their worship are not.
This Exodus teaching is another example of where anti- Catholics take one verse out of the bible without comprehending the bible as a whole - or maybe not even reading it completely.
People need more than a single pastor and/or internet websites to grasp the whole truth. Pray for them.
They are exactly like the atheists who try to use selective quotes from the bible to debuke the divinity of our Lord and Christianity.
Protestants are not Pagan. They are followers of Jesus Christ. You say Protestants are Pagans, Protestants say other Christians (Catholic) are Pagan, yet we are all followers of the Lord.
Funny how protestants call Catholica pagans, yet we have all 46 books of the OT and all of the 27 books of the NT. You look at a bible that a protestant uses (the Martin Luther version) a bible lacking 7 books. The Catholic mass has been the same mass for ever. You go into 30 protestant services, you have 30 different interpretations. Protestants read Ex. 32: 2-6, where Aaron asks the people to give him all of the earrings to construct a calf of gold to worship...
...you say that the holy sculptures that we honor (as you would honor a picture of your grandmother or ancestor) we idolize! We do not idolize no one or anything but God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit that are all one and without one you can't have he other. When in the OT did anyone see JC, the Virgin Mother of JC? The Word became man in the NT, where do protestants come to the conclusion that JC is a false idol?
Rv: 22-18,19 don't add or take from the words in the book. Food for thought.
I understand that, however I commented in general to all of the protestant commentators. The only way we all will become one as Jesus intended for all to become one church as Jesus and the Father are one, would be by, leading one Communal life...(Acts 2:42-44) They devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles and to the communal life, to the breaking of the bread (the cracker protestants say we eat) and to the prayers. All who believed were together and had all things in common.
O please what the bible means by stating don't worship false idols was the creations of statues such as cows, leopards, elephants and such false idols...not things like statues of Jesus, Mary and angels that would give a person a sense of peace or tranquility. My question would become...if u se a statue of Jesus and the above mentioned christian figures do you feel at peace or demonzed? If one does not feel at peace, you need to ask yourself, who is it that you serve.
"'You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that IS IN HEAVEN ABOVE, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them...
Cows, elephants and leopards in heaven???
This is the second commandment, which is conveniently missing from the Catholic version of the 10 Commandments.
I am an ex-catholic and a happy "pagan" serving the Lord with gladness.
The second commandment is not missing from the Catholic teachings. There are different interpretations and placing of each individual commandment of God. The commandment oppossing the possession and worshipping of idols in the Catholic Church is commandment one. Remember that the commandments are numbered differently.
The commandments of God were not numbered. Some say there are 10. There are different interpretations. In the Catholic belief, the first commandment is the first and second commandment in Protestantism.
You shall not make for yourself a carved image ... any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 9 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me... Deuteronomy 5:8-9
Dt. 5:8, You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything meaning what i stated above and in the sky above, meaning The MOON, the SUN, the STARS (the greeks made gods of all of the above and the god of water etc. Are our images of buddah, a moon, a cow, an ox? nooooo they are of our only God Jesus Christ, Mary, angels, and saints, where he says to honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor. (1 Pet. 2:17)
Acts 15 is the obvious place where Peter would have been identified as the "rock" or the head of the church or some title to identify his role, but the absence of any such reference is itself strong evidence that no one during the New Testament period, including Peter himself, never held such a view.
Sorry my friend, the faith of our fathers was Catholic/Orthodox/Coptic in form for nearly 1500-1600 years before the so-called Reformation. Did Christ's Church "disappear" somewhere along the way in order to need "restoring" or "reforming"?? (for the record, I am not Catholic). If so, when did it happen? And where's the evidence of it?
and yet Peter denies knowing Christ 3 times. Why do you put him on such a pedestal? it's ridiculous how you all don't give the more than deserving praise to Jesus Christ, the one who is actually going to save you from hell. Purgatory is not mentioned in the bible, however there is a verse that explains there cannot be such a thing, Hebrews 1:3.
Please respect the faithful and truley upgright disciples of Jesus. Peter was also relieved three times there after. Please do not offend me as you would a Catholic because I am not of that Church. It's a shame that the brothers and sisters of the Lord can't agree or make peace.
Rev. (20:13) The sea gave up it's dead; then Death and Hades gave up their dead. All the dead were judged according to their deeds. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the pool of fire. Isn't it by fire that you become purified before going into heaven? Whoever is in hell remains in hell and you will not come back to be judged, because your destiny has been seeled. And this is mentioned at the end of times (Revelations). Why, if it does not exist?
Seinfan, we do give the more than deserving praise to Christ, believe me our masses tradition goes back 2k years. We ask him for the clarification and wisdom of our seperated protestant brothers, to understand what scriptures meanings really are for their salvation from heretics. You try to follow word for word on the bible but yet you follow a bible that is missing seven books.
Christ gave Pope Peter alone the "keys of the kingdom" (Matt. 16:19) and promised that Peter's decisions would be binding in heaven. He also gave similar power to the other apostles (Catholic Bishops) (Matt. 18:18), but only Pope Peter was given the keys, symbols of his authority to rule the Church on earth in Jesus' absence.
JESUS SEALED PETER'S AUTHORITY with THESE VERSES - John 21:15, 16 & 17
Oh, also check out Exodus 25, when God is not only saying to make a graven image, but giving specific detail on how (2 golden cherubim)....truth in love ya'll.
dreamer6064 3 days ago
Look up what a graven image is and you will see that any drawing, sculpture, even pictures of your family are graven images.So I guess we're all going against God, or maybe he just didn't want us to worship these things, which catholics don't. You like pictures of your family up in your house as a reminder, well we like pictures and art in God's house as a reminder of God's family.
dreamer6064 3 days ago
I think there is just this huge disconect between catholics and other denominations in christianity. From the out side looking in, it really appears as if there is alot of idolatry in the catholic church. Why even make images of saints for people to turn to when God is all they need. Why pray to Mary or priests when it is Christ alone who paid the price for our sins and protects us in the day of judgement. How the church is structured is also confusing, it even seems as if the pope is worshiped.
centaurwarior 6 months ago
hahahahaha i laughed like mad watching this video.. THis man can barely talk and doesnt even know what to say next..And says catholics are scared of his video lol..... you sound so scared in this video as if you are lieing. and im sure you know your lieing. look at the lack of confidence in your voice i think you need to first sought out your own mind and clear the issues you have in your self pray to Lord Jesus Christ to guide you and fill you with light...
s4ms0nr 6 months ago
If catholics dont worship mary and the saints one is given to wondering how one would go about it if that isent the way its done?.
saladdogger 6 months ago
@saladdogger
<<<If catholics dont worship mary and the saints one is given to wondering how one would go about it if that isent the way its done?."
Not sure what you meant, but realize that praying to someone is different than worshiping them.
When you ask Christ to help you with something, you don't really think that's worship, do you?
I could give you the etymology of the word "pray", but hopefully you get the idea, no?
182RG 6 months ago
@182RG Yes good point -prayer and worship are different.However when one sees people bowing before a picture or statue of mary or the saints its difficult believe that they are just praying to make requests.The angel in rev 19 v10 did not allow john to bow before him and neither did peter in acts 10v26.
saladdogger 6 months ago
@saladdogger
Honestly, I've never seen anyone bow to a statue in the church. Not to say it doesn't happen, as I know some people seem to get a little carried away with Marian devotion. Nevertheless, it's not my (or your) place to judge their hearts.
I always heard that Lucifer's problem was that he didn't want to be subservient to man, so maybe John's angel knew better? :) As for Peter, remember that was a different age. Nowadays bows are meant as signs of respect rather than worship.
182RG 6 months ago
@182RG Can you help me with "marian devotion" What is meant by that?
saladdogger 6 months ago
@saladdogger
Marian devotion is just a phrase referring to a person's love for Mary. Sometimes people devote themselves to some extent to her. This in no way is equal to the love and devotion we have for Christ. There are many articles online telling why we revere her. This short article might be helpful - remove all spaces:
ht tp:/ /rcspiritualdirection. c om/blog/tags/marian-devotions
182RG 6 months ago
@saladdogger Ah. Prayer and worship are the same. You must pray in order to worship God, however to hold in high value is also called worship.
williamholsey 2 months ago
In addition, I belive Saint Luke himself made icons that are currently being held in Russia.
bob21294 6 months ago
I can't find the bible verse, but when the bible states "do not make graven images for idols" the key words there are "FOR IDOLS". Catholics or Orthodox do not worship the graven images or even what they represent (unless its Jesus). Another verse in the OT says to not make graven images of things in Heaven which you have not seen but an image has been given and His name is Jesus.
bob21294 6 months ago
@bob
Ex 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth." NASB
Heavens above, on the earth... is referring to animals, which was common idol material in that age. Scripurally, "heavens above" generally means "skys"; "above the heavens" equates to heaven as we use the word.
They forget that exactly when God gave these commands to Moses, the Israelites were worshiping the golden calf. Ex 32:4
182RG 6 months ago
@bob
When these people who take that command out of context are to honor it in the fashion they claim it intends, if they have any sculpted or molded animal of any sort, they are sinning. I have a bunch of toad frog statues - sinful by their interpretation. Berenstein bears? Guilty again. And that fish on top of the kid's pen? Guilty. Can they really think, especially when Ex 32 to Ex 40 is read, that is what God meant???
And Soloman's temple built per God's instructions with carved lions?
182RG 6 months ago
The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the QUEEN OF HEAVEN, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.-Jeremiah 7:18
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
-Romans 10:3-5
Soldurius 11 months ago
lol, who do you think you are to say to us dont do it if you don't want to accuse. Do you know what you are talking about? Are you god who can read the mind of each of catholic who kneel, and use the image of holy god when we meditating, who do you think you are to judge us that we are worshipping the statue or picture of holy image. Can you see the image in our brain, in our mind of who exactly we are adoring, and worshipping? You lie, you can not even proove it cos you can't read our mind
lovencare62 11 months ago
@lovencare62 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. -John 7:24
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to GRAVEN images. -Isaiah 42:8
Soldurius 11 months ago
@lovencare62 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. -1 Timothy 4:1-3
Soldurius 11 months ago
@lovencare62 Furthermore I do not condemn you. The Bible condemns us all as sinners. I'm simply pointing out the heresy of the RCC. You had been better flee them. Salvation is without works.
Soldurius 11 months ago
Gee! I thought dinosaurs were extinct. Apparently you must be the(hopefully) last of that species! Really, I thought non-catholics had finally realized that we (catholics) do not and never have adored statues or pictures of the Virgin Mary or any of the saints. Go to some catholic site like that of Father Barron, a Catholic Theologian. We do adore Jesus in the Eucharist, because we Catholics believe in "The True Presence" of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament. After 1500 AD many ceased to believe!
watchful38 11 months ago
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Soldurius 11 months ago
“To be steeped in history is to cease being Protestant”, Cardinal John Henry Newman. Research the teachings of the early Church fathers... They are invariably Catholic.
mhans4 11 months ago
Keep searching brother. You have grave misunderstandings about what the Catholic Church teaches. Do your homework before posting videos. You say you follow Holy Scripture. Did Jesus lie when He said that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church? I have faith that if you keep searching for the TRUTH, God will guide you to the Catholic faith.
mhans4 11 months ago
@mhans4 The Catholic Church has adobted many things of pagan origin, would you consider the gates of hell to have prevailed against it? You've been deceived. Jesus was not talking about Peter, Jesus is the only rock. The Scriptures never say that Peter became pope and there is no proof of him ever being in Rome. Peter was married (Matthew 8:14), a violation of Catholicism's own rules on celibacy. Why does the Vatican prohibit marriage for their priests, when the Bible says Peter had a wife?
Soldurius 11 months ago
@Soldurius I don't have enough room here to address all of your points but I would recommend visiting catholic.com if you are a sincere seeker of the truth. Particularly the article "Origins of Peter as Pope". I would like to point out that the Catholic Church has nothing to do with pagan religions. Similarities in symbols do not prove your argument. The onus is on you to prove any claim of paganism. Good luck. It has been tried before.
mhans4 11 months ago
@mhans4 Furthermore, the website that contains that information about paganism adopted by the RCC is Jesus is savior dot com, simply type 'catholic heresies and human tradition.' Such examples are the Rosary or prayer beads, introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090 AD copied from Hindus Mohammedans and even veneration of angels and dead saints which was started in 375 AD. Serve God in truth and flee the RCC. Jesus is your mediator, not Mary.
Soldurius 11 months ago
@Soldurius Again, check your sources. If you want to research a religion, learn the teachings of that religion from that religion. If I wanted to learn what Lutheran's believe I would read Martin Luther and other Lutheran authors. Why do you read anti-Catholic propaganda in order to learn what the Catholic Church teaches? Go to Catholic.com, you owe it to yourself.
mhans4 11 months ago
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Soldurius 11 months ago
@Soldurius haha you even proud of your statements here which shows how ignorant you are. How come you saying you are a christian but you have never learnt and experienced and even practiced the fullness of truth of faith, beliefs and tradition of being a true christian. I have found of many non catholics and protestants, they are many of them were bible scholars but were finally end up to become a catholic. Converted. they've found the truth faith only in the catholic church and no one else.
lovencare62 11 months ago
@lovencare62 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
-Ephesians 5:11
Nowhere in any of my statements did I say I was a Protestant nor on my channel. Why do you presuppose this idea? Is it common for you to simply call anyone who disagrees with you, a Protestant?
Soldurius 11 months ago
@Soldurius Oh... one more thing. "Jesus replied, Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." (Matt. 19:11–12).
mhans4 11 months ago
@mhans4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (1 Timothy 4:1-3)
Soldurius 11 months ago
@mhans4 1 Timothy 3:1-2
This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Catholic Bishops are not allowed to marry, I guess the RCC's word overrides the Bible.
Soldurius 11 months ago
@Soldurius The Catholic Church has already answered all of the arguments you are making but you fail to even look at them. Your hatred blinds you and your arguments are old. I will pray for you.
mhans4 11 months ago
@mhans4
"His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry." Matt 19:10
1 Corinthians 7: 1-2
"Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." To not marry out of choice or condition is different than one who is 'forbidden' to marry because of some catholic dogma.
Soldurius 11 months ago
@Soldurius Your ignorance of Catholic teaching is astounding. Priestly celibacy is a discipline of the Church. It is not dogma nor doctrine. As a discipline it could be changed, however, NO Catholic priest has ever been "forbidden" to marry. They VOLUNTARILY took a vow of celibacy in order to better serve the Kingdom. I could post passages from Scripture to counter all of yours but, quite frankly, that would lead to a circular argument. Please check out catholic.com
mhans4 11 months ago
@mhans4 I posted Matthew 19:10 in response to Matthew 19:11-12 you posted to be clear.
Soldurius 11 months ago
There is an obvious misunderstanding of the definition of idolatry. It is not the physical statues that God has the problem with (otherwise why would He order their construction in the Temple and on the Ark) but rather the true root of what He hates is the false gods they represent. Although idols can be statues or other forms of art, Paul points out that idolatry is anything that derives our attention from God. When we focus too much on our own selfish intentions and desires, we commit idolatry
FoundationofTruth 1 year ago
You know I have to laugh at you, You take great pleasure casting judgement against Catholics where you have no right to judge, just remember that when your time comes and you are at the judgement seat of CHRIST,how will you explain your choice for judging Catholics?
Grow up
4everjesusrules 1 year ago
Not offended by the words of god but offended by a Bigots take on what he believes a catholic believes by the way a true christian doesn't lie and make up BS either with their simplistic notions and no proof
martlut 1 year ago
LONG LIVE THE POPE. and no i am not insulted by your ignorance of the catholic truth
PInk77W1 1 year ago
"Why, do Catholics Hate it when a Bible believing Christian points to Scripture and says Idol worship is forbidden by God?"
Objection #1: Your statement implies that Catholics do not believe in the Bible.
Objection #2: Your statement implies that Catholics worship images.
Falsehoods coupled with the old, lingering Anti-Catholic bigotry.
jokerphinn1 1 year ago
@ 1:33 they should be cause there guilty -lol
who help the Nazi murderer scape Germany?
thats right the catholic Church
catholic you have blood in your hand
and if thats the kind of religion you wanna follow then your as guilty as your so called priest
lakayna 1 year ago
At 2:50 " A True Christian.. will try and follow God's word which he finds in the King James text"" So Mary & the Apostles weren't true Christians because the KJV wasn't written for another 1600 years and they couldn't follow it. That is WRONG! The Gospel was spoken before it was written down . The Apostles preached the gospel years before it was written down, and the Apostles built the Holy Church as ordered by Jesus Christ. you keep your 400 yo KJV , I will keep my 2000 yo Holy Church!
monkigun 1 year ago
You need to know Jewish tradition and be fluent in Hebrew and Greek to interpret the Bible correctly. It gets frustrating when people read the Bible as if it were written yesterday. It is not that we "hate", but we do get frustrated.
kajammers 1 year ago
Typical Calvinistic Protestant....They are the reason I became a catholic,all their prejudices and their 'right ways'.Im so glad Im a Catholic,and Yes it is the true church,Idols-Please give me a break
MENDELSSOHNish 1 year ago
I think you misunderstand the role of statues in Catholic devotion.
Catholics don't idolise or worship statues, they are used to portray certain qualities of saints etc and to help us to relate to them. All prayer is ultimately directed to God.
After all God commanded that cherubim be engraved on the Ark of the Covenant, not so that the engravings would be worshipped, but that it would evoke heavenly sentiments.
God bless :)
ilikesultanas 1 year ago
@ilikesultanas i dont think the message is put down catholics. infact, they are all different. just like christians are all different. but i think the real prob. here is , what is idolatry? what is honor? and what does the word say? the orthodox church honors saints but im pretty sure they dont bow down to them and think they need an intercession between christ and them. not part of the triniity we dont worship nor adore it, bottem line. wat is worship? can we ignorantly idolize something?
corinalj 1 year ago
He said don't make any idols AND bow down to them. I have seen Roman Catholics bowing down to statues of saints (and especially Mary) frequently. The excuse is used that "Well, we have statues in this country honouring heroes like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln, but that doesn't mean we worship them does it." Granted, but do you bow down to said statues of these national heroes and/or kiss their feet? No, so that's irrelevant.
rjky1986 1 year ago
@rjky1986 its idolatry youre right. and they are so curropt in thier religous ways they are blind to it. just like most christians are blind to thier idolatry. less than half of self proclaimed catholics and prodestants are actually saved.
corinalj 1 year ago
I agree with the message in this video, and I subscribed. I just want to say thought that the King James Version is not necessarily the only version that contains God's Word. I think numerous others have the same Word, though a different yet synonymous word is used here and there. However, you speak the truth, and as a former Romanist I love your work.
rjky1986 1 year ago
An idol does not mean "statue" or "painting". The Bible is referring to pagan gods. We Catholics simply honour images of Christ and His greatest followers, such as Mary.
I would suggest any anti-Catholics to do some honest research on the supernatural occurrences surrounding certain Catholic statues and paintings. For example, more than once, they have discovered Madonnas which had unexplainable tears of blood
TonoFonseca 1 year ago
@TonoFonseca hahah an idol is an idol. what is idolatry? no offense to catholic ppl as a whole . but its insane . the responses and excuses i hear to cover up the idolatry in the lives of the religious. persecution hurts but conviction is over bearing.
corinalj 1 year ago
@TonoFonseca u know something . believers dont need to prove gods exsitance, because we know that god is inside everyone, hes just turned off, and he sends the ppl when they are ready. but satan does prove himself to be real because he knows that ppl are cardnal in their ways and they will believe it. tears of blood? u sure that was from God? or was it satans tactic to sustain idolatry. ABOMINATION AND IDOLATRY
corinalj 1 year ago
@corinalj
Statues of Mary that cry blood are considered to be forms of Stigmata. Do you know what Stigmata is? The last person to have Stigmata was Padre Pio, who died in 1968. It is a revealing of God's Presence, and an epiphany from God helps to solidify the beliefs of even the most staunch Christians.
TonoFonseca 1 year ago
@TonoFonseca
2 Corinthians 11:14 "No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light."
2 Thessalonians 2:9 "that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,"
Revelation 12:9 (NASB) "And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world;"
corinalj 1 year ago
@TonoFonseca not against honor, im against idolatry
corinalj 1 year ago
@corinalj
Good. My point is that Catholics do not worship statues, or false Gods.
TonoFonseca 1 year ago
@TonoFonseca good. my point is that some of them do. not all catholics idolize saints and priests but more than half do it, thats not a lie. Not all prodestants are hypocrites, but more than half are. the only prob. i have is when a religion denies they do things they obviously do in the their church. thats the prob. with paganism. if you dont idolize saints and statues , then thats good.
corinalj 1 year ago
@corinalj sorry if i offended you. i guess youre upset because this guy made a generaliztion for catholic. is that right?
corinalj 1 year ago
@TonoFonseca wat i was saying about mary crying is that God said that statues do not have life. he stated that they dont speak, then i dont believe they would cry, otherwise that would contradict the word.
corinalj 1 year ago
@TonoFonseca sorry if i offended you. i guess youre upset because this guy made a generaliztion of catholics. is that right?
corinalj 1 year ago
@corinalj
This guy cannot seem to distinguish the difference between worshipping statues and between revering who the statues are depicting.
TonoFonseca 1 year ago
@TonoFonseca i understand. just as long as they are an icon and not an idol. in reality, its easy to idolize something. anything he habitualy use to become closer to God is an idol. and most of us wont admit it until grace lets us know wat we are doing. use the holy spirit to dicern , seek god to reach a holy life, then ask yourself if you are in the good. God bless you-
corinalj 1 year ago
@TonoFonseca ...That is NOT from God.
bella50008 1 year ago
Mabe you don't know what we all say to mary so here goes.
"Hail Mary full of grace" Yes she was or god wouldn't have picked her
The lord is with you" Yes Jesus is with her
Blessed are you among women" She has been especially blessed by god.
and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus" Yes Jesus is blessed.
Holy mary mother of god" Yes she was mother to Jesus who is god.
Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death." We're asking her for help.
AMEN
chopppacalamari 1 year ago
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corinalj 1 year ago
I never understood why people think they are doing the will of Jesus by opposing the church that he instituted while on Earth. I will pray for you man.
100PercentCatholic 1 year ago
If merely praying before a heavenly represntn is wrong, then doing the same before a bible or an altar is also equally wrong for Ex 20 also says Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image(of anything in heaven) or that is IN THE EARTH BENEATH. If a Christian prays before something that spiritually brings them closer to God, be it a Motion Picture, or an image of Christ it is in the love of Christ not a false deity. Read Ex 25, God is not self contradicting; he would,per ur interpretation.
DJM2197 1 year ago
yawn yawn
x3grenadier 1 year ago
want to know someting you ave the most boring voice on all of you tube and i want to let you know tht unless you were onces a catholic you don't really know the religion and tht god also said never judge others and tht the one tht ever puts someone down on their faith sould beware and i want you to think about this what is it tht u are trying to do here huhhh?????? cause if you tink about it all you are doing is making people think twice about beliving in God
jessicababy909 1 year ago 2
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You really need to understand scripture, which from the many videos of your's I have viewed you dont (Mat 13:19 )
God doesnt say we cant have statues, in fact he commanded some be built. Idols are very different.
Exod 25:18Thou shalt make also two cherubims of beaten gold, on the two sides of the oracle.
Num 21:9Moses therefore made a brazen serpent, and set it up for a sign: which when they that were bitten looked upon, they were healed.
By your reasoning gravestones are idols too.
jumbaljoe 1 year ago
You really need to understand scripture, which from the many videos of your's I have viewed you dont (Mat 13:19 )
God doesnt say we cant have statues, in fact he commanded some be built. Idols are very different.
Exod 25:18Thou shalt make also two cherubims of beaten gold, on the two sides of the oracle.
Num 21:9Moses therefore made a brazen serpent, and set it up for a sign: which when they that were bitten looked upon, they were healed.
By your reasoning gravestones are idols too.
jumbaljoe 1 year ago
You really need to understand scripture, which from the many videos of your's I have viewed you dont (Mat 13:19 )
God doesnt say we cant have statues, in fact he commanded some be built. Idols are very different.
Exod 25:18Thou shalt make also two cherubims of beaten gold, on the two sides of the oracle.
Num 21:9Moses therefore made a brazen serpent, and set it up for a sign: which when they that were bitten looked upon, they were healed.
By your reasoning gravestones are idols too.
jumbaljoe 1 year ago
Interestingly, the Bible doesn't forbid the making of all images, just those fashioned as a substitute for the true God. The bronze serpent and the cherubim on the ark prove this conclusively. As a former protestant, I find the use of icons (statues, crosses, paintings, etc) to be a very holy and inspirational practice. It has been a Christian tradition since the earliest times. Archaeology confirms it.
Pacisdiligo 1 year ago
Typical anti-Catholic bigotry.
froberts7 1 year ago
Bowing is an act that says "YOU are GREATER than me"; in the Old Testament you read of people bowing down to other people without any accusations of idolotry, so the RCC does the same today, showing honor to those that have passed on. And they can only be called an idoloter if they believe that a person or stature itself is divine.
AtomicMonster454 2 years ago
had you bothered to look up Catholic doctrine (teachings) then you'd realise that they are doing the equivelant of asking a friend to pray for whatever. they aren't bowing down and worshipping them
scottishlowoflow 2 years ago
Good for you Steve. Keep up the good work you are doing in Christ's name.
johnthreesixteen316 2 years ago
IDOL WORSHIP IS FORBIDDEN. its written many times in the bible. kneeling before idols is sin.
kingmcbrian 2 years ago
Before you go spreading misconceptions as a result of your lack of understanding of the church and scripture, please listen to this great explaination. This video explains in so much better than any words that could fit here.
watch?v=cpXnRbgOM74
Therefore here is my comment - yes this IS out of line.
catchzz 2 years ago
I think GOD meant in making pictures of other gods like agustus , jupiter ,crishna etc. thats the one that should be destroyed than representation of Christ and the saints
cebuano1997 2 years ago
Ha ha ha... How can someone feel insulted by this guy who is so afraid that his voice shakes and doesn't know what to say next?
He is so ignorant that he doesn't know that the Catholic Church, following the Scripture, forbids idolatry, for it is a sin against the 1st Commandment given by God himself.
In the Catholic Church only God is *adored* and this is called "latria". Saints are not adored, but rather *venerated* which is called "dulia".
ladisae 2 years ago 13
Saints are venerated in a very specific way: by imitating their virtues in order to get to Christ, and by asking for their incercession. Don't our family and friends ask us to pray for them and our prayer is valid? Well, the same happens when someone asks a saint for his intercession.
So, don't listen to this poor *Ignorant of Hell* who cannot even talk in front of a camera without melting in panic.
ladisae 2 years ago 10
@ladisae ha ha ha . then why do they do it?. why do christians idolize thier preacher? do you bow down to idols? if you knew anything about being holy and doctrine, you wouldnt insult someone because of his speech, youd listen to the message
corinalj 1 year ago
@ladisae lies
the Bible said not to bow down to any graven images
you may not worship idols but you have no excuse to have them in your church because its not in the Bible
oh i get it the idols are not God to you so technically its not idolatry right?
lier
there should be NO other man made images in the house of God - lier
lakayna 1 year ago
@ladisae The Roman Catholic Church totally removes the 2nd Commandment (which forbids the making and worshipping of graven images) in their catechism
ministercreek 6 months ago in playlist A Corrupt Tree - The Roman Catholic Church
To enter heaven one has to be holy. This is only possible with the Grace of God, through faith in Jesus. God knew that without his Grace we will never live in holiness and never enter heaven. So Jesus died on the cross to reconcile us to God. Once reconciled we are able to receive his Grace by the power of the Holy Spirit who will transform our heart of stone to hearts of flesh. Our hearts of flesh then allow us to live in holiness which will give us entrance into heaven.
Heb59 2 years ago
Heb59 you are exactly correct, praise to our Lord, God and Saviour Jesus Christ.
teethofthelamb 2 years ago
Praise God you recognized the truth. Please the truth on youtube. Others may not understand this simple truth. Once you know this truth and read the bible all will fall into place like a jigsaw puzzle. God Bless You
Heb59 2 years ago
@teethofthelamb steve, do yourself a favor and stay behind the screen and not in front of it.
leftprotected 1 year ago
In Isaiah God comdemn those who makes graven images and call them god or gods and therefore make it equal to HIM.
God did not ban graven images. Read Exodus 25 and you'll see that God commanded Moses and Aaron to make graven images of the Seraphim which BTW is 5 ft. tall. Images and statues on the Ark of the Covenant, which BTW is made out of Gold. The Jews bow down to these. Not to worship it but to venerate.
Naturalhit 2 years ago
Dude you have no idea what you are talking about, go to library pick up a history book and learn more about Christian history. Hence there you will find the truth and only then can you pick up God's word and start reading. The only thing you do is use God's word to shoot out your hatred of His Church.
evilfreddy2006 2 years ago
Lol another Anti-catholic who follows his emotion of hatres of the true faith. LOL, read history, the same people you hate are the ones who put together the bible. Oh I am sorry does that strike your nerve? Even the KJV has some Catholic in it, except its been distorted.
evilfreddy2006 2 years ago
ayy Ocho does not think catholics worship idols. Ocho thinks it's like have a picture of a loved one. The picture just represents a loved one.
OchoSeenco 2 years ago
Why is the king james text the end all be all? Martin Luther took some of the text out of the bible because he didn't feel like teaching it.That is what the King James version of the bible. If you are going to use something as you proof at lest have all of the text for proof. There are 72 books in the bible not 68.
swatson1190 2 years ago
protestants should not worship the bible; that is bibliolatry. God is not the bible.
credo33ad 2 years ago 2
"A true christian will try to follow God's words which he finds in the King James text " Give me a break! You are pretentious and judgemental. Who gave you the authority to discern scripture and then attack the Body Of Christ? You are a bigoted ignorant hater disguised a follower of Jesus. I should not have to say this but I will- Jesus Christ is the reason the Catholic Church exists, He is First and Last in all things and obedience to Christ is how we Serve and Glorify God!
monkigun 2 years ago
How to make a Plastercast for religious purposes.
first get some modelling plaster add water stir and mould it into a human figure
Subject to intense heat and allow to harden
Now paint it with modelling paint and allow to dry
Move it to a grotto or church and mount it on a pedestal get it blessed by a priest
Garnish it with flower and light candles to it
Now encourage people to come and pray to it and petition it
Now you have another mediator to help you
Surely this is not IdolatryOR IS IT ?
glizag 2 years ago
God, after commanding the Israelites not to make a graven image, commanded them to make cherubim sculptures and to put a bronze snake on a pole which would heal people when they gazed on it (are these graven images?). As long as they do not worship them (bowing down does not equal worship) it is fine. Someone may go to a church to pray specially rather than pray elsewhere- does this make the church a graven image as well?
TheAmazingImbecile 2 years ago
TheAmazingImbecile-the difference is between looking at an image and praying "through" it; which is what Catholics readily admit they are doing-and it is exactly the same thing that pagans do -they pray through their images.
nanhei 2 years ago
Looking at images or being in a church helps you focus on the prayer. Many Christians may pray with music in the background- is that idolatry? The Israelites were healed "through" a bronze snake although it was actually God's power doing the healing.
TheAmazingImbecile 2 years ago
The Israelites were not healed "through" a bronze snake; they were healed because due to their obedience to what God told them to do.
nanhei 2 years ago
No, they were healed "through" the bronze snake. The fact is that all who looked at the bronze snake were healed, and thus it was "through" the bronze snake. (note: this does not mean the bronze snake had power of its own; all of the healing power came from God working "through" the bronze snake)
TheAmazingImbecile 2 years ago
teeth of the lamb are you mocking Christ.Christ is just the only one called the Lamb of God.YOUR SAYING THAT YOUR A PREACHER OF GOD and Jesus .you dont even represent them .Your spreading hate not love!
cebuano1997 2 years ago
Catholics do not worship anybody but God.'We venerate Mary and the saintst and regard icons and images in much the same way that onre would kiss your wife's or mother's photo. You love your mother or wife not th paper on which the photo is printed yet it's the paper you kiss.
Kissing is an outward act but it's different when you kiss your wife and when you kiss your mother. Catholics kneel before God and kneel before images but in their hearts they know worship is only for God.
enrieangeles 2 years ago
Dear Brother in Christ,
Re-Vicar of Hell: God did not forbid the making of graven images, but the worship of such images.
Exodus 25:18 "Make two cherubims of beaten gold for the two ends of the propitiatory, fastening them so that one cherub springs direct from each end..."
Numbers 21:7 The Lord said to Moses, "Make a saraph and mount it on a pole...Moses accordingly made a bronze serpent..and whenever anyone...looked at the bronze serpent, he recovered."
enrieangeles 2 years ago
Yes, God's word itself is not offensive, its YOUR interpretation that is! You claim to be a Christian yet you do not follow Jesus' last command... to love your neighbors, you and your fellow protestants keep attacking other, perpetuating HATE! HATE sir is the opposite of LOVE. If GOD is LOVE what are you who promote HATE?
Nofanatics 2 years ago
Seems obvious that the deaths in Ireland fighting between Catholics and Protestants is not enough for you! You perpetuate the hate between the two. YOU SIR CONDONE HATE! JESUS SAID LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS I HAVE LOVE YOU. A TRUE Christian will not attack fellow CHRISTIANS! As a matter of fact Fellow HUMANS!
Nofanatics 2 years ago
How funny!! I have now viewed this 5 times, and the viewing counter has not moved!!
RainhadoCanto10 2 years ago
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From the responses below, you can see that the Catholic takes a defensive attitude!! I know it, because, up to some ten years ago, I was there!
Of course, until then, other than the here-and-there out-of context verses read, the Bible was not a book to which I ever referred!! Why should I have? The Catholic Church having taught that the Bible is not "necessary reading"!! Cathechism was!
RainhadoCanto10 2 years ago
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So, I raised my son a Catholic, altar boy and all!! It took his death on July 9, 2009, for me to open my eyes to the truth of God's Word!
I never understood being Born Again,... until it happened to me!! Cannot tell you exactly when it happened, but, it is a knowledged that floods my soul with the certainty I am saved!! NOTHING WILL TAKE ME AWAY FROM HIM!!
RainhadoCanto10 2 years ago
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Whereas the Catholic's hope is to "serve" the fewest years possible in a non-existent "purgatory," provided enough people pray for them, I KNOW I AM GOING TO HEAVEN!!
Hebrews 9:26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now ONCE at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
RainhadoCanto10 2 years ago
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28 so Christ also, having been offered ONCE to bear the sins of MANY, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
The "sacrifice" of Mass is an outright offense against Christ's offering of Himself for the sin of MANY!! HE DIED ONCE FOR ALL, NEVER TO HAVE TO DIE AGAIN!! HE COMPLETED THE REQUIREMENT!
"VICAR OF HELL" IS a truthful video!!
Thank you for posting it!! The truth hurts only if it is that one is not blameless!
RainhadoCanto10 2 years ago
Idol implies a false God does it not? The statues that Catholics revere are anything but false. To call an image of Christ or His holy mother an idol is a sacrilidge and offensive to the very God you are attempting to honor. God gave us the gift of reason and this argument is simply unreasonable. You are in my prayers. Someday you will understand.
cowsfoevs 2 years ago
I find it very comforting to have a "picture", so to speak, of Jesus. It helps me feel that He is closer. As for the statues of the saints, they are also "picture reminders" of how we as christians(no matter what denomination)are to conduct ourselves. With boundless love and respect for all-of the faith or not. Whether we disagree or not.
mom4life2009 2 years ago
I don't think that teethofthelamb is judging Catholics. This is one of the many things that Protestants and Catholics cannot agree on. And may never. The only thing that matters is the Holy Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. And honestly, when Jesus comes back to earth I don't even think I'll care enough to ask Him who is wrong or right. But I know as a Catholic I do not worship the statues in my church.
mom4life2009 2 years ago
"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" Matt 7: 1-5
pitstopbarney 2 years ago
You cited Exodus 20:5...You made a video of yourself-A GRAVEN IMAGE..Brewhahaha you sinisterly laughed as you MADE YOURSELF A GOD TO JUDGE THE LEADER OF THE OLDEST, TRUEST CHRISTIAN ESTABLISHMENT ON EARTH THAT TRACES IT ROOTS BACK TO THE APOSTLES!!!!!!! What a shame.
pitstopbarney 2 years ago
This excerpt was taken from the NAB bible and is the response to the question "For what purpose do Catholic churches have statues of saints?" Here are some biblical references(Ps 34:7; Ps 91:11; Tb 12:12,15; Mt 18:10; Lk 15:10; Acts 12:15; 1 Cor 4:9; Heb 1:14; Rv 1:4; Rv 3:1; Rv 4:5; Rv 5:6-8; Rv 8:3-4.)
mom4life2009 2 years ago
Statues(or icons in the Eastern Christian tradition)are an aid to veneration of the saints and a means of rememberance of the heroes of the faith. None of this is in opposition to God. St. Jerome said that "we show veneration to the servants so that it might radiate back from them to the Lord." No Catholic who knows anything about the Catholic faith has ever worshipped a statue of plaster(as in pagan idolatry).
mom4life2009 2 years ago
Devotion to saints no more interferes with or corrupts the unique adoration due to God than does love for our friends and relatives. If we cherish the memory of mere political heroes such as Thomas Jefferson with statues, and war heroes with monuments, and even great sports figures, then what can be the objection to honoring saints and righteous men and women(Rom 12:10; Heb 12:22-23; 1Pt 2:17)?
mom4life2009 2 years ago
The bible says we are "surrounded" by "so great a cloud of witnesses"(Heb 12:1). These are the saints in heaven. Many commentators think this vivid metaphor is describing the saints in heaven watching us and cheering us on, like spectators in a sports arena. Catholics also believe in angels, and guardian angels for each person.
mom4life2009 2 years ago
Exodus 20:4
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."
Exodus 25 - God asks Moses to construct an idol.
What's the point? Moses didn't bow down to the idols. But funny how the Ark was so revered.
Yes, Catholics make statues and idols, but they DO NOT bow down to them. They are used in prayer and meditation, as a window to revere; in veneration.
SteveSpitz1981 2 years ago
What I would like to know is how does the author of this video know that the people kneeling before a statue are Catholic? He is implying that they are, but how does he know they aren't some non denominal Christian? How many Catholics(that he knows are definitely Catholics) bow down and WORSHIP(like it is a God) a statue? Basically he is assuming facts that are not in evidence in this particular case.
bobbyke31 2 years ago
i think you make good points, which most seems to be missing....do not bow to idols.whether you think it is worship or not in your mind, bowing down and praying in other names then our father who made us is wrong. i think we all have left him out a little long, dont you think?
MisterRemeat 2 years ago
Catholics do not, in any way, worship idols.
Stuntman3576 2 years ago
good for you
brad2bad 2 years ago
I don't need a statue, picture or anything else other than the bible. I can go any where and pray. Statues ( also man made) are a worldly thing, and just loving God with heart and mind is spiritual. And, being spiritual is something not of the world.
spiderlark 2 years ago
What you said is awesome, yet it seems a little new agey to me..
RockyBalboa211 2 years ago
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sometimes it doesn't make sense when someone says that they are catholic because their grand grand parents are catholic and they will fight till death of what they believe. I just pray that we should research and study the bible and do some background check..because salvation is here and now..it's too late when we are dead. I just pray that we should know what were believing...is it really what God's want or because we are comfortable in our religion...Please read the bible...it's all there.
godsent30 2 years ago
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godsent30 2 years ago
Continued,
The images of The LORD and the Holy Mother are not themselves ever worshiped. They are a focus for prayer for the faithful and a way to honor what The LORD and Holy Mother did.
My honest warning to you and everyone else who does not realize it yet, focus getting into a personal REAL relationship with The LORD instead of continuing the denomination fighting. He will tell many Christians away with you, I never knew you. Brother Jan sums it best with this video:
watch?v=QGf0VxqlZ48
Centaur67 2 years ago 2
Peace and love teethofthelamb,
Please refer to the original scripture in Greek and Hebrew and see that the reference is to PAGAN Idols. Denominations stop with the division of the Body of Christ. Images that honor the Holy Mother and The LORD are NOT pagan idols.
Martin Luther and other Protestant leaders who broke away from the flock of Peter removed many books from the original Bible. They had no divine authority to break the Body of Christ. They are not the line of Peter and never will be.
Centaur67 2 years ago 2
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At the end of the day since the original bible of 73 books was composed by Catholics, ask a Catholic to interpret it not someone who is following a bible with 66 books because that there alone shows lack of knowledge. The only shock to the brain of the Catholic in this matter is knowing how many protestants are being dragged into protestant heresy. We are all trying to follow one Lord but Jesus Christ came to establish one church and that church is the one he left Peter in charge of, not 35k.
JoiSterOne 2 years ago
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JoiSterOne 2 years ago
I hope the day when Catholics and other Christians will get along and agree with each other will come soon. We are all children of the Lord, yet we bash and insult each other.
WordAmongWords 2 years ago
In God's omnicience, He explains everything thru the writings in Exodus about graven images if one would just use logic and common sense.
At the very same time God gave Moses the false god / idol commandment, He commanded 2 cheribim be made ("graven images ..heaven above") for the Ark. Again at this exact time, Aaron was making the golden calf idol - which infuriated Moses.
In His wisdom, here He explicitly demonstrated statues/decorations are pleasing ; idols & their worship are not.
182RG 3 years ago
Graven images, cont:
This Exodus teaching is another example of where anti- Catholics take one verse out of the bible without comprehending the bible as a whole - or maybe not even reading it completely.
People need more than a single pastor and/or internet websites to grasp the whole truth. Pray for them.
They are exactly like the atheists who try to use selective quotes from the bible to debuke the divinity of our Lord and Christianity.
You will know them by their fruits.
182RG 3 years ago
Protesants were pagans then and are pagans today.
JoiSterOne 3 years ago
Protestants are not Pagan. They are followers of Jesus Christ. You say Protestants are Pagans, Protestants say other Christians (Catholic) are Pagan, yet we are all followers of the Lord.
WordAmongWords 2 years ago
Funny how protestants call Catholica pagans, yet we have all 46 books of the OT and all of the 27 books of the NT. You look at a bible that a protestant uses (the Martin Luther version) a bible lacking 7 books. The Catholic mass has been the same mass for ever. You go into 30 protestant services, you have 30 different interpretations. Protestants read Ex. 32: 2-6, where Aaron asks the people to give him all of the earrings to construct a calf of gold to worship...
JoiSterOne 2 years ago
...you say that the holy sculptures that we honor (as you would honor a picture of your grandmother or ancestor) we idolize! We do not idolize no one or anything but God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit that are all one and without one you can't have he other. When in the OT did anyone see JC, the Virgin Mother of JC? The Word became man in the NT, where do protestants come to the conclusion that JC is a false idol?
Rv: 22-18,19 don't add or take from the words in the book. Food for thought.
JoiSterOne 2 years ago
I never said you and whoever "we" may be, idolize the Holy Scriptures. I know that you idolize only one God, the only God.
WordAmongWords 2 years ago
I understand that, however I commented in general to all of the protestant commentators. The only way we all will become one as Jesus intended for all to become one church as Jesus and the Father are one, would be by, leading one Communal life...(Acts 2:42-44) They devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles and to the communal life, to the breaking of the bread (the cracker protestants say we eat) and to the prayers. All who believed were together and had all things in common.
JoiSterOne 2 years ago
O please what the bible means by stating don't worship false idols was the creations of statues such as cows, leopards, elephants and such false idols...not things like statues of Jesus, Mary and angels that would give a person a sense of peace or tranquility. My question would become...if u se a statue of Jesus and the above mentioned christian figures do you feel at peace or demonzed? If one does not feel at peace, you need to ask yourself, who is it that you serve.
JoiSterOne 3 years ago
Deuteronomy 5:8-9 says:
"'You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that IS IN HEAVEN ABOVE, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them...
Cows, elephants and leopards in heaven???
This is the second commandment, which is conveniently missing from the Catholic version of the 10 Commandments.
I am an ex-catholic and a happy "pagan" serving the Lord with gladness.
Afrikitty 2 years ago
The second commandment is not missing from the Catholic teachings. There are different interpretations and placing of each individual commandment of God. The commandment oppossing the possession and worshipping of idols in the Catholic Church is commandment one. Remember that the commandments are numbered differently.
WordAmongWords 2 years ago
The commandments of God were not numbered. Some say there are 10. There are different interpretations. In the Catholic belief, the first commandment is the first and second commandment in Protestantism.
WordAmongWords 2 years ago
You shall not make for yourself a carved image ... any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 9 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me... Deuteronomy 5:8-9
WordAmongWords 2 years ago
Dt. 5:8, You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything meaning what i stated above and in the sky above, meaning The MOON, the SUN, the STARS (the greeks made gods of all of the above and the god of water etc. Are our images of buddah, a moon, a cow, an ox? nooooo they are of our only God Jesus Christ, Mary, angels, and saints, where he says to honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor. (1 Pet. 2:17)
They are alot closer to God than we are.
JoiSterOne 2 years ago
Acts 15 is the obvious place where Peter would have been identified as the "rock" or the head of the church or some title to identify his role, but the absence of any such reference is itself strong evidence that no one during the New Testament period, including Peter himself, never held such a view.
NadNareek 3 years ago
Sorry my friend, the faith of our fathers was Catholic/Orthodox/Coptic in form for nearly 1500-1600 years before the so-called Reformation. Did Christ's Church "disappear" somewhere along the way in order to need "restoring" or "reforming"?? (for the record, I am not Catholic). If so, when did it happen? And where's the evidence of it?
Pacisdiligo 3 years ago
Catholics don't worship idols.
phil8888 3 years ago 2
VERSES FOR PRIMACY OF ST. PETER
Mt. 16:18-19, Is. 22:22, Lk. 22:32, Jn. 21:17, Mk. 16:17, Lk. 24:34, Acts 1:13-26, Acts 2:14, Acts 3:6-7, Acts 5:1-11, Acts 8:21, Acts 10:44-46, Acts 15:7, Acts15:19, Gal 1:18, Gal 2:11-14, Mt 10:1-4; Mk 3:16-19; Lk 6:14-16; Acts 1:13 - Peter's name always heads list of Apostles. Lk 9:32; Mk 16:7 - "Peter and his companions" Mt 18:21; Mk 8:29; Lk 8:45, 12:41; Jn 6:69 spoke for Apostles.
Peter's name occurs 195 more times than the other Apostles put together
junmeskie 3 years ago 2
and yet Peter denies knowing Christ 3 times. Why do you put him on such a pedestal? it's ridiculous how you all don't give the more than deserving praise to Jesus Christ, the one who is actually going to save you from hell. Purgatory is not mentioned in the bible, however there is a verse that explains there cannot be such a thing, Hebrews 1:3.
seinfan9 3 years ago
Please respect the faithful and truley upgright disciples of Jesus. Peter was also relieved three times there after. Please do not offend me as you would a Catholic because I am not of that Church. It's a shame that the brothers and sisters of the Lord can't agree or make peace.
WordAmongWords 2 years ago
Rev. (20:13) The sea gave up it's dead; then Death and Hades gave up their dead. All the dead were judged according to their deeds. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the pool of fire. Isn't it by fire that you become purified before going into heaven? Whoever is in hell remains in hell and you will not come back to be judged, because your destiny has been seeled. And this is mentioned at the end of times (Revelations). Why, if it does not exist?
About Peter: Our God is a forgiving Father!
JoiSterOne 2 years ago
Seinfan, we do give the more than deserving praise to Christ, believe me our masses tradition goes back 2k years. We ask him for the clarification and wisdom of our seperated protestant brothers, to understand what scriptures meanings really are for their salvation from heretics. You try to follow word for word on the bible but yet you follow a bible that is missing seven books.
JoiSterOne 2 years ago
POPE AND AUTHORITY
Christ gave Pope Peter alone the "keys of the kingdom" (Matt. 16:19) and promised that Peter's decisions would be binding in heaven. He also gave similar power to the other apostles (Catholic Bishops) (Matt. 18:18), but only Pope Peter was given the keys, symbols of his authority to rule the Church on earth in Jesus' absence.
JESUS SEALED PETER'S AUTHORITY with THESE VERSES - John 21:15, 16 & 17
junmeskie 3 years ago