The lesson to be learned is to not engage in a debate with a master debater. A debate is usually won by the better debater. Whether or not they are right or wrong is irrelevant. In fact, a fundamental skill practiced by debaters is to debate one side of an issue, and later debate the other side of the issue. The goal is to win the debate without regard to their actual beliefes or the facts. It's better to present your own ideas rather than debate it. Debating involves too much deception.
Yeah, CRoadwarrior is a very good example of this. My hopes with this series is to show people these dishonest tactics in the hopes that they will be able to recognize them offhand.
The thing I see with them is that they are a little more than just a simple fallacy, they are a construct of fallacies that they try to make appear as logically valid.
Exactly right, some creationist nut job states "no one has ever seen a fish give birth to a dog" then an intelligent person (e.g., not a creationist) has to spend the first 5 mins of an answer explaining that "evolution isn't like that"
Yeah, not only do they have to waste time correcting the error, they make it seem like an honest misunderstanding despite the dishonest nature behind it.
Sometimes after the correction is done they say something like, "see, no scientist agrees on exactly what evolution is!"
Even though almost every scientist agrees on what evolution is.
Unfortunately this is not isolated to creationists, others also do this too often. I just see it more with creationists because I watch a lot of their videos.
The lesson to be learned is to not engage in a debate with a master debater. A debate is usually won by the better debater. Whether or not they are right or wrong is irrelevant. In fact, a fundamental skill practiced by debaters is to debate one side of an issue, and later debate the other side of the issue. The goal is to win the debate without regard to their actual beliefes or the facts. It's better to present your own ideas rather than debate it. Debating involves too much deception.
jdohe 2 years ago
Croadwarrior...cough cough...........
Cr8zyCanuck 2 years ago
Yeah, CRoadwarrior is a very good example of this. My hopes with this series is to show people these dishonest tactics in the hopes that they will be able to recognize them offhand.
The thing I see with them is that they are a little more than just a simple fallacy, they are a construct of fallacies that they try to make appear as logically valid.
DavinCreed 2 years ago
Exactly right, some creationist nut job states "no one has ever seen a fish give birth to a dog" then an intelligent person (e.g., not a creationist) has to spend the first 5 mins of an answer explaining that "evolution isn't like that"
itsChristonabike 2 years ago
Yeah, not only do they have to waste time correcting the error, they make it seem like an honest misunderstanding despite the dishonest nature behind it.
Sometimes after the correction is done they say something like, "see, no scientist agrees on exactly what evolution is!"
Even though almost every scientist agrees on what evolution is.
Unfortunately this is not isolated to creationists, others also do this too often. I just see it more with creationists because I watch a lot of their videos.
DavinCreed 2 years ago