Morality Part1: Morality and its hinderance to achieving anarchism

[Indigos8rboi]

and he told my mom that I was moral



[Indigos8rboi]

a guy placed a piece of paper of the answers to a test after two of my friends stole some jewelry from a store at the mall in little rock

[ZullGostnu2]

Objective moralists are cults members.

[Indigos8rboi]

o monkeys ok

[Ishbu101]

nothing?

[ModelAnarchist]

yep, nothing is good.

Or you could just use logic and reason if you value your own long term self benefit. "If i kill X than X will no longer be able to participate in the division of labor. Additionly, Y will not be too happy with me if I kill X."

[HopSingSex]

Actually, morality, defined as a universal code of behavior, would be absolutely essential to the success of anarchism. It's lack is precisely the reason, at least the social reason, why government is necessary. People must be governed, if not by a self-imposed moral code, then by laws imposed by the society.

[brainpolice2]

None of you people have actually transcended morality. You are a part of a fad in which one gains their sense of moral superiority by engaging in the denigration of "morality", while you yourself still implicitly engage with normative moral premises all the time.

[ModelAnarchist]

I say "god damnit" a lot to. I grew up in a moralistic society and an especially moralistic family. Pardon me if it takes a few years to restructure my language usage

[brainpolice2]

It isn't about language usage. It's about implicit moral premises in your philosophy that still linger, despite claims to oppose morality.

[ModelAnarchist]

Which premises are you speaking of?

[brainpolice2]

Pretty much any implied (or explicit) goal that you have constitutes a moral claim, as does the talk of self-interest and happiness imply a certain meta-ethical view.

[ModelAnarchist]

God exists if we call the universe"god"

[brainpolice2]

You're continueing to miss what I'm saying. It has nothing to do with linguistics, it has to do with concepts - it doesn't matter what words you use for it, the concepts are still there. You can shift your moralism to more "pragmatic" language, but it still is the same thing. If it smells like moralism, and talks like moralism, it's moralism.

[brainpolice2]

Basically, the trend that you're apart of is one in which people claim "morality doesn't exist!" as a cover for their own moralism so that they don't have to provide any rational argumentation for it. The fact remains that there is a moralism in there, it's just obscured by disingenous rants about morality "not existing" (which noone denies in physical terms).

[ModelAnarchist]

NO, morality is what is what is "right" and "wrong", "good" adn "bad what ever the fuck that is supposed to mean. You can be an amoralist and have prefrences and believe in factually "correct" and incorrect. You are starting to sound like the statists you argue against.... this dogma is embedded really deeply inside of you bp

[brainpolice2]

You're not above dogma, you're just a part of a condescending trend of kids who think that they are better then everyone else by putting on a facade of being amoralists. You're not amoralists, you're moralists engaging in sophistry.

[ModelAnarchist]

You're not an anarchist; your just an angry kid... you still use the state's roads don't you?

[brainpolice2]

Not even close to a valid analogy. The point is not that you still use certain words and therefore aren't an amoralist, the point is that you still are actually promoting a form of moralism and renaming it "amoralism" or "pragmatism".

[ModelAnarchist]

I am only promoting truth the same way I would promote evolution. I am only promoting it because I am a arrogant selfish asshole and I want people to think like I do

[brainpolice2]

Your belief in "truth" is no less dogmatic than people's belief in "morality".

[ModelAnarchist]

well I'll stop believing in "truth" and you stop believing in morality then. Pointing out my erroneous ways in a distinct subject does not save your sinking ship

[brainpolice2]

I have no "sinking ship". I see a bunch of people becoming apathetic to the point of absurdity, and I see a bunch of people being drawn in by propaganda by confederalsocialist, and plenty of other people see the problem as well. One day you will wake up and smell the bullshit too.

[ModelAnarchist]

Oh no, Apathy!!!!

...you just keep plugging away for anarchy buddy... ya that will chance things in your lifetime... because eventually a sizable portion of the population will wake up and realize the state is a farse..... hahahahhahhah! you watched too many sappy movies as kid

[brainpolice2]

Um, no. I'm refering to the tendency to simply not give a fuck about social consequences of ideas, and a retarded anti-social attitude that basically says "damn the world to hell". Fuck you people, you're ideology is more destructive than that of most statists.

[brainpolice2]

Your people's "anarchism" is little more than a rationalization for not giving a fuck about the world.

[ModelAnarchist]

You mean the same world that cut of a piece of my penis before I was even old enough to be asked?

You mean the same world that forces the state on my ass because they are willfully ignorant?

You mean the same world that traumatizes its children with religious dogma?

The interesting thing is that even though you are right... I don't give a shit about anything but me... I will do more to help the world then you ever will... I will be making advances in biomedicine while u whine a way on youtube

[brainpolice2]

Yea, a sea of rationalizations for your apathy, how nice. Half you people have the social concience of a fruit fly, and no, your apathy doesn't do jack to help the world.

[Indigos8rboi]

lol burn!!

go modelanarchist

[blackacidlizzard]

What social consequences of what ideas?

[junior00bacon00chee]

objectifying morality b/c they dont value their own stated preferences...that's pretty interesting. maybe objectifying b/c they in reality are a type of nihilist, ie, know deep down that there is no ultimate moral reason to value human life, and so they try to "prove" it.

[DeraJa]

nothing new, more definition games.

[Ishbu101]

okay you explained where morality came from but where's the solution...once we discard morality what are we to replace it with?