I think rubgy union has been ruined by professionalism anyway, the breakdown is a disaster, the rules keep changing, and quite frankly I could do just as good a job at reffing an IRB game as any ref. It's all just how the ref feels that day...
Go look at he Total Rugby clip that is the IRB endorsed clip about what constitutes a forward pass. Just put in forward pass in the search box and you will see it.
Rules are rules, people. You can't change the rules to try and win an argument. Law says it is a forward pass if the pass or throw is towards the opponent's dead-ball line. THE PASS, not the ball. It says nothing about the ball.
@pigslefats It's really not that difficult. You can see it by looking at the player's positioning of his body, more spesifically his shoulders, arms and hands. Go watch a few games, I'm sure you'll get it.
Also check out Wikipedias defenition of a forward pass (as given by the Australian Rugby League's governing body). Same thing, pass is forward if it is forward relative to the player's body, not the ground. Ironic that it is Aussies now arguing this point in trying to justify their win.
Bring on Usain Bolt as a wing. He runs at about 10 meters per second. Let's say the ball is in the air for 2 seconds. That's a 20 metre 'forward' pass. Great advantage! I'm sorry but this is impossible to ref. Simply, as long as a passer is running forward you can't rule a forward pass without everyone shouting that it wasn't because of forward momentum. The pass is forward if it moves in the direction of the opponents dead ball line-deal with it.
I'm not sure that that video is right saying you have to allow for momentum. I think the player has to adjust for momentum not the referees make allowances for it.
So if a player is running at 8m per second then if he throws a pass that is in the air for 1 second it is allowed to go 8m forward?
I don't think so. The direction the ball travels has to be towards your own goal line.
Can some one tell me where the hell to put my hands on the rugby ball? I am right handed and all the videos i see on here about passing the comments are like "THATS NO THOW YOU THROW IT"
As an RFU Referee in England the modern interpretation certainly does not agree with the content of this video. For example if a player is attacking the oppositin 22 and makes a pass before the 22m line and his support player receives the ball beyond the 22m line the pass is forward. Any referee who deemed that not to be forward, especially in an attacking situation like that would be down graded on assessment!! Leave the momentum law to Rugby League!!!
@Kirbz678 Sorry, but if you were right, you would be calling forward passes all day, since a very large percentage of passes actually go forward (the whole point of this video). The fact that you are only going to call it up when the pass happens to be over the 22m just makes you a bad referee, not right! The issue in Law is the direction the player passes the ball, not the direction the ball travels in.
@MKuwashima A bad referee who can pass assessments! It is logical to use pitch markings to your advantage as an official and given that many local pitches are striped from being cut that highlights the issue further. I think that the video is outdated, I understand the concept entirely however in the modern game officials are up for so much criticism anyway, especially with the advent of video replays etc that the to police the law as illustrated here would be silly.
@Kirbz678 Fine - but can you see how this is an illogical approach. As per the video - if you are consistent in your rulings that the ball can't travel forward, you will be calling up passes left right and centre and make a joke of the game - because so many passes actually go forward due to momentum.
@Kirbz678 If what you say is true kirbz, then why don't the IRB introduce player and ball tracking hardware and software that would be infallable? Rather than leaving it to refs who make subjective calls.
I'll tell you why - Because what you're saying is hogwash. It matters not where the ball travels, but only the direction it's thrown.
@Kirbz678 So why would you be down graded in an assessment if the ball 99% of the time physically goes forward. It is IMPOSSIBLE to throw a ball "backwards" while sprinting. So please, for the love of god tell me why you would be assessed like the way you explained
@Kirbz678 - During a match I was talking with an assessor this Saturday regarding this specific question. He stated that this was a 'common misconception' so in his opinion the video is correct. A referee would have been marked down for calling a forward pass.
The reason I mentioned it was that a ref called a forward pass in these circs when the passer stepped into touch after making the pass. This confused me no end.
@Kirbz678 I agree with you, I don't like this momentum rule in rugby league. IMO, a ball should be received behind the player that passed it. Simple. Unless it hits the ground and bounces off path of course.
@Kirbz678 You're wrong. I hope you're not refereeing with such a shaky knowledge of the laws. A forward pass is defined by how it leaves the passer's hands, not the overall distance travelled.
@Kirbz678 And it is fools like you that ruin the RWC due to illogical decisions based on faulty understandings of momentum and forward passes. You related to Lawrence at all?
Concatenating the two lines in the Law gives: "A throw forward occurs when a player throws or passes the ball towards the opposing team's dead ball line." So, shouldn't that be read to mean that any pass which travels towards the opponent's dead ball line is a forward pass? If that isn't the intent of the Law then it is poorly written.
@crazychessman No, the law isn't poorly written, it is just your comprehension skills that are lacking. The ball being thrown forward refers to the initial direction out of the hand. If that is backwards, then the ball floating forwards due to the act of inertia does not constitute a forward pass.
I can't believe how many people struggle with the concept.
No, incorrect. The definition actually validates the video. Regardless of where the ball travels, this issue is the direction the player passes the ball. And as the video demonstrates, you can pass the ball backwards and have it travel forward due to momentum.
@Hidaka1223 Key is the words "throws or passes" the ball forward. In the video, the ball is "thrown or passed" backwards, even though it travels forward.
The law is worded like that because the important element is the throw or pass, not the travel of the ball. The rulemaker could have written the law differently if he'd intended the decisive factor to be the travel of the ball relative to the ground. Yet he didn't - which is why we start with examining the throw or pass when applying the law.
What nonsense. If this is truly how the laws are interpreted, then there's nothing to stop players deliberately throwing long forwards passes providing they then run on beyond where the ball is received. It's a joke.
It looks to me that the video is trying to persuade the viewer that the pass is not forward, when in fact, it clearly shows that it does in fact travel forward, not backward, relative to the velocity of the passer, regardless of the current IRB ruling on what constitutes a forward pass. To substantiate my assertion, lets say the passes are repeated WITHOUT a receiver. Would they be deemed forward passes? Off course the answer is YES.
So this is a legal pass in Rugby? In the NFL this would be considered an illegal forward pass. It states in the rules that if the player's momentum carries the pass to a forward point from where it was thrown, it's an illegal forward pass. I think it's always been that way in American football. Was this always legal in Rugby?
don't really understand, the vid starts by saying that the laws of the game rule the examples shown as forward, yet the vid is claiming they are not forward. surely if the rules say they are forward, then they are forward.
No because I have seen Rokocoko overun a pass and then reach backwards for the pass. A forward pass is defined by the angle of the ball relative to the passer, not the receiver.
Saying all that, The All Blacks lost because they put themselves in a situation where miss calls mattered and with 70% of the possession they shouldn't have been in that position, and that was due to the Frances amazing defense, the All Blacks lost composure and lacked game plan.
This board has turn from a few, and I say a few Kiwi's saying stupid things to a load of French trying to justify their win, you don't need to, you won, take it.
Fair enough. The AB team has been very gracious in accepting the defeat, showing true fair-play and sportmanship. Too bad a few kiwis give their country a bad name by whining endlessly and fingerpointing the referee.
All neutral observers are ok with the sending off. Neutral observers are OK with the referring. Kiwi observers are also OK with it (I mean the mature ones, not the sore losers)
Secondly the Video doesn't show anything about the forward pass, watch the actual game, the person passing the ball was being tackled from behind when he released the ball the person receiving the ball was in line with him, but the ball was actually passed forward as the receiving player reached out to take the ball. There's was no running on or motion or trick of the eye it was a clear ball going forward.
obviously, you didn't understand the point of this video. The point is that a ball going forward is not necessarily a forward pass. A pass is forward if the hands that release the ball are facing forward. We don't see the hands on the video. Traille -the passer- and Michalak are exactly in the situation described at the end of the video
Firstly the pass in the NZ V France game was forward; it has been watch and admitted to by the IRB and the Referee Manager Paddy O'Brien. So there is no argument.
Yes, you can still argue about the reality of the forward pass. O'Brien is right in acknowledging a possible forward pass. His point is not to deny it, but to make it clear that it is useless and not mature to complain about it, even if is was a forward pass.
traille's pass was still forward after i watch this. traille was running and tackled, his hands threw the ball forward because michalak's speed was much faster. This video showed that its difficult to make a forward pass IF you pass in the traditional spinning motion, but traille lobbed the ball in front of himself so it IS a forward pass.
Seems to me that action at 5:59 is exactly the controversial pass in the FR/NZ game.
So there's no forward.
Anyway, game was won by 2 points (had NZ been 20 points ahead with a better efficiency in the 1st period and a better play in the last 10 mins, the controversy would have no weight).
How many forward passes happen in a game? Lot's. NZ have had there share of refereing decisions. Get real they are just a bunch of chokers who throw all the toys out of the pram when they lose. World cup better withiut them and their arrogance.
I'm french and I thought (until I saw this video) that our second try was unfair because it was a forward pass from traille to michalak. But this video made me change my mind, it was not a forward pass at all because Michalak was standing behind traille at full speed. Therefore our try was legit and it makes me feel a whole lot better because that doubt didn't allow me to enjoy the victory as much as I do now.
Good video. I am a rugby league referee. What some people don't realise is that a forward pass is when the ball is "passed" forward. Some people don't think of this.
Simple physics (the law of inertia) state that a moving object will continue moving the same direction even if the angle of trajectory is backwards. Apparently the important thing is that the ball is thron backward relevant to the players direction.
wow. great video. i've sometimes hated myself for drawing my defender and being blown up for throwing a forward pass when i would have successfully released the receiver into space. now i know that if i had been able to keep running, some of those passes would have appeared completely normal. what does this mean for the rules?
that is a good point but what if the rule goes into affect some that the person throwing has to be infront of the ball just incase they have figured this
I like your video clip and have rated it as awesome. If you are interested in rugby history you maybe like my clip of some 1935 rugby cigarette cards.
hang on thats not the actual law is it? i thought its whether ur hands face backwards when u pass?i never really thought bout it before but i guess i just know if i threw a forward pass, its weird.
Very interesting. Even when I played rugby they never went into this in such good detail. Interesting how when a player is tackled just after passing, it makes the pass look forward.
No he doesn't, listen to the narrator, he doesn't mention rules (Laws), he mentions that if you used the criteria, that if a ball went forward from a pass, then they would be forward (illegal) passes.
It then goes on to explain, that the momentum carries the ball forward, but the criteria for a "forward pass" is the direction that the ball is thrown.
He doesn't. He states that they AREN'T forward according to the rules of the game, but ARE forward if the criteria for passing a ball is in relation to the ground (which it isn't).
It is a fairly good demonstration, but some of the science is way off, especially in the computer simulation. The ball would never travel in a straight line if momentum was involved. It would be curved due to acceleration from momentum (a line that starts backwards and then curves forwards due to momentum).
Momentum can be ignored for this action as the mass of the ball remains constant throughout the pass (obviously). Only relative velocities need to be considered: the velocity of the passer and velocoty given to the ball should be added.
Once the ball leaves the passers hand there is no further acceleration on it (ignoring air resistance and downward acceleration). Therefore Newtons first law states that it will continue in a STRAIGHT line.
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a0a0aful 3 months ago
I think rubgy union has been ruined by professionalism anyway, the breakdown is a disaster, the rules keep changing, and quite frankly I could do just as good a job at reffing an IRB game as any ref. It's all just how the ref feels that day...
bcfsl 4 months ago
Go look at he Total Rugby clip that is the IRB endorsed clip about what constitutes a forward pass. Just put in forward pass in the search box and you will see it.
Rules are rules, people. You can't change the rules to try and win an argument. Law says it is a forward pass if the pass or throw is towards the opponent's dead-ball line. THE PASS, not the ball. It says nothing about the ball.
Yolandi331 4 months ago
@Yolandi331 Yolandi rules are rules fine. How would you determine whether the pass is towards the dead ball line or not?
pigslefats 4 months ago
@pigslefats It's really not that difficult. You can see it by looking at the player's positioning of his body, more spesifically his shoulders, arms and hands. Go watch a few games, I'm sure you'll get it.
Also check out Wikipedias defenition of a forward pass (as given by the Australian Rugby League's governing body). Same thing, pass is forward if it is forward relative to the player's body, not the ground. Ironic that it is Aussies now arguing this point in trying to justify their win.
Yolandi331 4 months ago
Bring on Usain Bolt as a wing. He runs at about 10 meters per second. Let's say the ball is in the air for 2 seconds. That's a 20 metre 'forward' pass. Great advantage! I'm sorry but this is impossible to ref. Simply, as long as a passer is running forward you can't rule a forward pass without everyone shouting that it wasn't because of forward momentum. The pass is forward if it moves in the direction of the opponents dead ball line-deal with it.
pigslefats 4 months ago
I'm not sure that that video is right saying you have to allow for momentum. I think the player has to adjust for momentum not the referees make allowances for it.
So if a player is running at 8m per second then if he throws a pass that is in the air for 1 second it is allowed to go 8m forward?
I don't think so. The direction the ball travels has to be towards your own goal line.
deandurbin 1 year ago
See 1:12 of this clip, tell me if it's forward?
search " OYCuB1AE6HQ " in youtube
bloubulboer 1 year ago
Damn, there are some thick folks commenting here.
Do yourselves a favor and slow-mo a rugby game. You will see most passes are "thrown" backward and travel "forward". That's how it works.
bloubulboer 1 year ago
Can some one tell me where the hell to put my hands on the rugby ball? I am right handed and all the videos i see on here about passing the comments are like "THATS NO THOW YOU THROW IT"
Lufios 1 year ago
As an RFU Referee in England the modern interpretation certainly does not agree with the content of this video. For example if a player is attacking the oppositin 22 and makes a pass before the 22m line and his support player receives the ball beyond the 22m line the pass is forward. Any referee who deemed that not to be forward, especially in an attacking situation like that would be down graded on assessment!! Leave the momentum law to Rugby League!!!
Kirbz678 1 year ago
@Kirbz678 Sorry, but if you were right, you would be calling forward passes all day, since a very large percentage of passes actually go forward (the whole point of this video). The fact that you are only going to call it up when the pass happens to be over the 22m just makes you a bad referee, not right! The issue in Law is the direction the player passes the ball, not the direction the ball travels in.
MKuwashima 1 year ago 10
@MKuwashima A bad referee who can pass assessments! It is logical to use pitch markings to your advantage as an official and given that many local pitches are striped from being cut that highlights the issue further. I think that the video is outdated, I understand the concept entirely however in the modern game officials are up for so much criticism anyway, especially with the advent of video replays etc that the to police the law as illustrated here would be silly.
Kirbz678 1 year ago
@Kirbz678 Fine - but can you see how this is an illogical approach. As per the video - if you are consistent in your rulings that the ball can't travel forward, you will be calling up passes left right and centre and make a joke of the game - because so many passes actually go forward due to momentum.
MKuwashima 1 year ago 2
@Kirbz678 If what you say is true kirbz, then why don't the IRB introduce player and ball tracking hardware and software that would be infallable? Rather than leaving it to refs who make subjective calls.
I'll tell you why - Because what you're saying is hogwash. It matters not where the ball travels, but only the direction it's thrown.
z0mgrugbyreturns 7 months ago
@Kirbz678 the laws of physics are outdated? good to know
tommyhall12 4 months ago
@Kirbz678 - I doubt you're a referee. This material is standard ref training, even in England. Ask a real ref.
oztubes 1 year ago
@Kirbz678
Christ your a thick-head.
did you even watch the video you hopeless tosser?
Most Legal passes moves backwards relative to the passer, but move "forward relative to the pitch.
Hence all passes are forward passed according to your backwards ass logic.
you would be blowing for forward passed all day.
deadlygnome 1 year ago
@Kirbz678 So why would you be down graded in an assessment if the ball 99% of the time physically goes forward. It is IMPOSSIBLE to throw a ball "backwards" while sprinting. So please, for the love of god tell me why you would be assessed like the way you explained
hakametal 1 year ago
@Kirbz678 - During a match I was talking with an assessor this Saturday regarding this specific question. He stated that this was a 'common misconception' so in his opinion the video is correct. A referee would have been marked down for calling a forward pass.
The reason I mentioned it was that a ref called a forward pass in these circs when the passer stepped into touch after making the pass. This confused me no end.
WorthingRFU 1 year ago
@Kirbz678 I agree with you, I don't like this momentum rule in rugby league. IMO, a ball should be received behind the player that passed it. Simple. Unless it hits the ground and bounces off path of course.
attilathegorilla 7 months ago
@Kirbz678 You're wrong. I hope you're not refereeing with such a shaky knowledge of the laws. A forward pass is defined by how it leaves the passer's hands, not the overall distance travelled.
royallen0 5 months ago
@Kirbz678 And it is fools like you that ruin the RWC due to illogical decisions based on faulty understandings of momentum and forward passes. You related to Lawrence at all?
xMooxCowsx 4 months ago
Concatenating the two lines in the Law gives: "A throw forward occurs when a player throws or passes the ball towards the opposing team's dead ball line." So, shouldn't that be read to mean that any pass which travels towards the opponent's dead ball line is a forward pass? If that isn't the intent of the Law then it is poorly written.
crazychessman 1 year ago
@crazychessman No, the law isn't poorly written, it is just your comprehension skills that are lacking. The ball being thrown forward refers to the initial direction out of the hand. If that is backwards, then the ball floating forwards due to the act of inertia does not constitute a forward pass.
I can't believe how many people struggle with the concept.
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@sprinkleOtea "the ball floating forwards due to the act of inertia" ROFL!!
brupey 9 months ago
Well said Hidaka - the videos are great - but the voiceover is rubbish - he's got it wrong (sadly like most refs) - your defintion is correct
123hash4 2 years ago
From the 2010 rulebook:
"Definition: Throw Forward
A throw forward occurs when a player throws or passes the ball forward. 'Forward' means towards the opposing team's dead ball line."
Thus a forward pass is dependent on the field of play not the passer or receiver. Which directly contradicts this video.
Hidaka1223 2 years ago
No, incorrect. The definition actually validates the video. Regardless of where the ball travels, this issue is the direction the player passes the ball. And as the video demonstrates, you can pass the ball backwards and have it travel forward due to momentum.
MKuwashima 2 years ago 9
@Hidaka1223 Key is the words "throws or passes" the ball forward. In the video, the ball is "thrown or passed" backwards, even though it travels forward.
The law is worded like that because the important element is the throw or pass, not the travel of the ball. The rulemaker could have written the law differently if he'd intended the decisive factor to be the travel of the ball relative to the ground. Yet he didn't - which is why we start with examining the throw or pass when applying the law.
thisisstupidtoo 3 months ago
@thisisstupidtoo okay so someone else wrote this first... bah.
thisisstupidtoo 3 months ago
same old aussies, always making excuses ;-)
UserOfCommonSense 2 years ago
What nonsense. If this is truly how the laws are interpreted, then there's nothing to stop players deliberately throwing long forwards passes providing they then run on beyond where the ball is received. It's a joke.
TomosANTIGUATomos 2 years ago
@TomosANTIGUATomos The player running on beyond the ball isn't the guideline, it is the direction of the hands.
Did you even watch the video?
sprinkleOtea 1 year ago
It looks to me that the video is trying to persuade the viewer that the pass is not forward, when in fact, it clearly shows that it does in fact travel forward, not backward, relative to the velocity of the passer, regardless of the current IRB ruling on what constitutes a forward pass. To substantiate my assertion, lets say the passes are repeated WITHOUT a receiver. Would they be deemed forward passes? Off course the answer is YES.
TeMaania 2 years ago
@TeMaania *facepalm* Forward does not refer to the direction the ball ends up travelling but the initial vector upon release from the players hands.
sprinkleOtea 1 year ago
@sprinkleOtea i don't remember writing that comment.
TeMaania 1 year ago
Maybe Quade Cooper should have watched this video before the Scotland match!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GLove39 2 years ago
You dont do pass backwards, you pass ball to player which is back. which nerd created this video?
realIBeliX 2 years ago
So this is a legal pass in Rugby? In the NFL this would be considered an illegal forward pass. It states in the rules that if the player's momentum carries the pass to a forward point from where it was thrown, it's an illegal forward pass. I think it's always been that way in American football. Was this always legal in Rugby?
langbry 2 years ago
Some pretty amazing passes btw.
welshy238 2 years ago
thanks for uploading!
leobloomvideo 2 years ago
haha my friends keep telling me its forward when i do this, now i tell them to watch this lmfao.. thanks for uploading
mp509r 2 years ago
This is a really simple idea guys - THE PASS MUST BE BACKWARDS RELATIVE TO THE MOVEMENT OF THE PASSER AND THE RECEIVER. It's not rocket science ffs.
gavinwims 2 years ago
so is it illegal to do this or not
CrosJg 3 years ago
don't really understand, the vid starts by saying that the laws of the game rule the examples shown as forward, yet the vid is claiming they are not forward. surely if the rules say they are forward, then they are forward.
ollyrukes 3 years ago
As long as the ball is 90 or more degrees to the tryline, its not forward.
NoCopywrite 3 years ago
well basically i wud say a forward passs is when the reciever of the pass is clearly infront.
utuberlol 3 years ago 4
No because I have seen Rokocoko overun a pass and then reach backwards for the pass. A forward pass is defined by the angle of the ball relative to the passer, not the receiver.
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all black rugby.
lose when it matters.
blame ref.
blame linesman.
whinge.
go down in rest of world's estimation.
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worldsbestperson 4 years ago
wat the fuck???
BostonmAn08 4 years ago
retort:
1)every game matters and we lose less than everyone else.
2)you cant seriously deny that Barnes did a poor job that day
3)dont ever recall anyone blaming the linesman
4)who's whinging? most NZers would rather forget it and move on
5)given the unrealistic estimation given by everyone prior to the RWC it was quite inevitable
6)just like everyone else
EvKrusty 3 years ago
Saying all that, The All Blacks lost because they put themselves in a situation where miss calls mattered and with 70% of the possession they shouldn't have been in that position, and that was due to the Frances amazing defense, the All Blacks lost composure and lacked game plan.
This board has turn from a few, and I say a few Kiwi's saying stupid things to a load of French trying to justify their win, you don't need to, you won, take it.
sports2766 4 years ago 8
Fair enough. The AB team has been very gracious in accepting the defeat, showing true fair-play and sportmanship. Too bad a few kiwis give their country a bad name by whining endlessly and fingerpointing the referee.
tocquevil 4 years ago 8
Anyway there was also the sending off and the France illegally racking the ball on the attacking scrums numerous times, to go against the Ref.
sports2766 4 years ago 3
All neutral observers are ok with the sending off. Neutral observers are OK with the referring. Kiwi observers are also OK with it (I mean the mature ones, not the sore losers)
tocquevil 4 years ago
Secondly the Video doesn't show anything about the forward pass, watch the actual game, the person passing the ball was being tackled from behind when he released the ball the person receiving the ball was in line with him, but the ball was actually passed forward as the receiving player reached out to take the ball. There's was no running on or motion or trick of the eye it was a clear ball going forward.
sports2766 4 years ago
obviously, you didn't understand the point of this video. The point is that a ball going forward is not necessarily a forward pass. A pass is forward if the hands that release the ball are facing forward. We don't see the hands on the video. Traille -the passer- and Michalak are exactly in the situation described at the end of the video
tocquevil 4 years ago 2
Firstly the pass in the NZ V France game was forward; it has been watch and admitted to by the IRB and the Referee Manager Paddy O'Brien. So there is no argument.
sports2766 4 years ago
Yes, you can still argue about the reality of the forward pass. O'Brien is right in acknowledging a possible forward pass. His point is not to deny it, but to make it clear that it is useless and not mature to complain about it, even if is was a forward pass.
tocquevil 4 years ago
traille's pass was still forward after i watch this. traille was running and tackled, his hands threw the ball forward because michalak's speed was much faster. This video showed that its difficult to make a forward pass IF you pass in the traditional spinning motion, but traille lobbed the ball in front of himself so it IS a forward pass.
624035008 4 years ago
Seems to me that action at 5:59 is exactly the controversial pass in the FR/NZ game.
So there's no forward.
Anyway, game was won by 2 points (had NZ been 20 points ahead with a better efficiency in the 1st period and a better play in the last 10 mins, the controversy would have no weight).
antoinedargentine 4 years ago
All Black's fans should watch this.
There was no forward pass.
lilivier 4 years ago
How many forward passes happen in a game? Lot's. NZ have had there share of refereing decisions. Get real they are just a bunch of chokers who throw all the toys out of the pram when they lose. World cup better withiut them and their arrogance.
dmurphy2k5 4 years ago
nice try. there is a huge difference between the examples here and the pass that lead to frances second match winning illegal try.
cart25 4 years ago
ITV should have watched this. The 1st pass to michalak was forward but his wasn't. Doesnt matter how far the ball travels forward on the pitch.
buddygunz 4 years ago
Passed it FACING backwards!
timcmit 4 years ago
Watch again. Michalak passed it backwards!
timcmit 4 years ago
france should watch this video
allstar1010 4 years ago
hahaha I was just thinking that
garrymack 4 years ago
Yes the pass to Michalak is definitely a forward pass (at least that's what I saw).
And to be fair, the 1st All Blacks's try is also made on a forward pass.
Tfpsly 4 years ago
I'm french and I thought (until I saw this video) that our second try was unfair because it was a forward pass from traille to michalak. But this video made me change my mind, it was not a forward pass at all because Michalak was standing behind traille at full speed. Therefore our try was legit and it makes me feel a whole lot better because that doubt didn't allow me to enjoy the victory as much as I do now.
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jameh5o 4 years ago
thet are deemed forward passes in the modern game!!! the ball must travel backwards at all time!
ciarankav1 4 years ago
Unions feild should be done like leauges 10m lines
jayzaa69 4 years ago
this is interesting...i reckon a forward pass should have exceptions...stop being so technical rubgy is a game if it looks fine then it is fine
purepwnage007 4 years ago 2
honestly a brilliant video
GreggoGreggo 4 years ago
how boring as if a referee is going to learn any thing off htis and how old is this
8mahonym 4 years ago
A referee should already know this, but evidently some of them don't seem to. Clearly a lot of people have learnt a lot from it.
pointy69yo 4 years ago
Ye I always hated that. Like a hand ball in Football. The whole game is based on it.
Stephendenham 4 years ago
this is really interesting.BOKKE
westcap 4 years ago
wow that computer animation looked so realistic i felt like i was really there.
161Daniel161 4 years ago
Good video. I am a rugby league referee. What some people don't realise is that a forward pass is when the ball is "passed" forward. Some people don't think of this.
jay1989uk 4 years ago
Simple physics (the law of inertia) state that a moving object will continue moving the same direction even if the angle of trajectory is backwards. Apparently the important thing is that the ball is thron backward relevant to the players direction.
jimbothefirst 4 years ago
good video!! thumbs up!
bubbasquish 4 years ago
wow. great video. i've sometimes hated myself for drawing my defender and being blown up for throwing a forward pass when i would have successfully released the receiver into space. now i know that if i had been able to keep running, some of those passes would have appeared completely normal. what does this mean for the rules?
mdoo742 4 years ago
wow I didnt know that was a forward pass.
webber1991 4 years ago
Thought that was a really great and informative clip
jazzyjeff19 5 years ago
that is a good point but what if the rule goes into affect some that the person throwing has to be infront of the ball just incase they have figured this
pauld894 5 years ago
I like your video clip and have rated it as awesome. If you are interested in rugby history you maybe like my clip of some 1935 rugby cigarette cards.
creamofcardstv 5 years ago
hang on thats not the actual law is it? i thought its whether ur hands face backwards when u pass?i never really thought bout it before but i guess i just know if i threw a forward pass, its weird.
123123123me 5 years ago
Very interesting. Even when I played rugby they never went into this in such good detail. Interesting how when a player is tackled just after passing, it makes the pass look forward.
14allandall41 5 years ago
this proves that in rugby league sky sports talk shit. momentum rule my arse
pantherbadman 5 years ago 2
that was good i neva realised how easy it was to forward pass im a good passer but im sure ive threw a forward pass
rtownrugger4life 5 years ago
yeah i know sorry i meant that would be shit if this rule was put in the game
HTrainprop 5 years ago
good vid but that means most of the passes that ive seen would be foward pass this is a stupid thing 2 say
HTrainprop 5 years ago
Watch the video closer - it's saying that such passes do NOT constitute a forward pass.
MKuwashima 5 years ago
True, but the narractor admits right at the start that according to the rules, they ARE forward.
ollyrukes 3 years ago
No he doesn't, listen to the narrator, he doesn't mention rules (Laws), he mentions that if you used the criteria, that if a ball went forward from a pass, then they would be forward (illegal) passes.
It then goes on to explain, that the momentum carries the ball forward, but the criteria for a "forward pass" is the direction that the ball is thrown.
RoadHogGB 3 years ago 2
He doesn't. He states that they AREN'T forward according to the rules of the game, but ARE forward if the criteria for passing a ball is in relation to the ground (which it isn't).
It is a fairly good demonstration, but some of the science is way off, especially in the computer simulation. The ball would never travel in a straight line if momentum was involved. It would be curved due to acceleration from momentum (a line that starts backwards and then curves forwards due to momentum).
HTH.
mikewells13 2 years ago
An objct cannot accelerate due to its momentum.
Momentum can be ignored for this action as the mass of the ball remains constant throughout the pass (obviously). Only relative velocities need to be considered: the velocity of the passer and velocoty given to the ball should be added.
Once the ball leaves the passers hand there is no further acceleration on it (ignoring air resistance and downward acceleration). Therefore Newtons first law states that it will continue in a STRAIGHT line.
dinkey04 2 years ago
This is something every rugby referee should watch. Great video!
justin6626 5 years ago
Excellent example that a forward pass is relative to the motion of the passer, not relative to the ground.
canamrugby 5 years ago
Thats quite good
6ft7RugbyPlayer 5 years ago