Actual ILS Cat-III Approach Rwy 36C Amsterdam

[jfprieur]

Please take off that horrible music

[crk1121]

One star... there's no need for this ridiculous background music

[FFTVAviation]

Good thing those lights are so bright otherwise it would make it a lot harder. Did my first night landing the other day, in fact its on our channel and that was hard enough on a clear night. Although that was in a PA28 at a small airfield.

[igneousrocklad]

whos the dummy who added music to the video. it killed the mood. but good video work besides that.

[alaqmar1992]

Does the "retard " comes only in ILS approaches ? Please reply friends !

[adamski895RS]

no it doesnt, it does it for visual etc

[Gamestar11]

no it always says retard

[floepie22]

on boeings not

[Gamestar11]

i was talking about airbus.

[artagus21]

It is a CAT III if the approach, the airplane, and the crew are qualified for that approach. I shoot CATIII approaches in the clear all the time (usually to update aircraft currency).

A CAT III is simply a very accurate coupled ILS approach. CATIIIB you don't have to 'see-to-land', but you have to have some minimun wx (300 RVR in my company).

[sebbie4life]

how can pilots taxi at night with no visibility, do they have some kind of gps in the cockpit??

[gcmbl]

sebbie4life - It's rather similar to driving in fog - only slower. The taxiway lights are quite bright, and are almost always sufficient to taxi by. If not, a 'follow me' truck is used.

[wdrean]

tom waits. awesome!

[LeonardRockstein]

what was special about that landing?? That was CAT BS !!

[Trijethero]

The retard is an CAWS call-out that the throttles are retarding/going to idle by the auto-throttle system

(E)GWPS (Enhanced) Ground Proximity Warning System is a different system which warns the pilots that they are too close to the ground, moving to quickly towards terrain or in an unsafe configuration of gear/flaps

[Trijethero]

On all aproaches there will be a callout "minimums" by the CAWS (centralised aural warning system) except on the a CATIIIB no decision height as there is no decison to make

This particular approach does not have a minimums call, that makes it a CATIIIB no decesion height.

Although the visibility is beter than the 75m minimum required for a CATIIIB

You can make an CATIIIB no decision height autoland in beter than the minimum conditions.

[Trijethero]

It is een CatIIB no decision height

There is different ILS aproaches:

CAT I minimum 200ft

CAT II minimum 100 ft

CAT IIIA minimum 50 ft

CAT IIIB minumum 20 ft

CAT IIIB 0 ft no decesion height

[graphic747]

How is that a CAT III? The pilots clearly had visual on the runway from at least a mile out.  Sure there was some mist on short final but not enough to lose visual on the runway environment.

[diogopuppo]

GPWS beatifull

[onelikeseabass]

Well, all this auto landing stuff really bothers me. I'm looking to become a commercial airline pilot and am now questioning if that's such a bright idea. *sigh*

[rageoff77]

Right... don't become one

[whiternoise2]

It's worth it for the views..

[glypo]

If you don't understand ILS and the conditions it's used don't become a pilot.

In fog like that, only aircraft with a Cat IIIC are allowed to land. If your aircraft doesn't have ILS you wouldn't get permission to land, and have to divert. It's not a "choice" to take away control from pilots. It's an essential safety system.

[mhallihan]

"If you don't understand ILS and the conditions it's used don't become a pilot."

That's what training's for... great advice...

[foamerville]

I flew one of these About 12 times now.

Great flying machine..............until my computer came unplugged. (LOL)

[ut000bs]

BTW, this was a full auto-land flown by the autopilots. The last noise you heard was the chirp of the autopilot being disengaged.

[theendcredits]

well dude thats what a CAT III is.. lol.. this looks to be a CAT IIIb..

[ut000bs]

Judging from the comments here not everyone knows/accepts that. ;)

[muffins140607]

what does retard means?

[vac4042]

throttle idle.

[ut000bs]

Well, "retard" is an Airbus feature which tells the pilot to pull the throttles back to idle. In Boeing aircraft, for example, the autothrottle actually has servos that move the throttles as the power settings change. Airbus AC do not have these servos so the throttle levers don't move on their own. Therefore, they have to pull the throttles to idle on touchdown. The plane reminds them. :)

[patrickcramer]

It's not even CAT II maybe. You can clearly see the runway about 200ft above.

[uploader1010]

when the weather is below CAT I conditions, KLM always go for a CATIIIB autoland.., and for KLM, the minimums are 20' then, and this weather was not on the CATIIIB limits.. that's obvious.

[ronco46tyson]

I don't know what kind of approach they were shooting. But one thing I'm shure: in a "no shit" CAT III landing you don't see the runway sooner than the last 5 seconds before touchdown!

Believe me!

[alvinabejuro]

a very experienced pilot we have here!20 , 10 , retard.what he means by retard?this is a very nice runway.

[dk245]

The numbers are the radar altitude over the ground in feet. Retard = retard the throttles, i.e. bring the power to idle.

[alvinabejuro]

dk245 , thanks a lot , i got the meaning that im asking.now i know some of what the pilots are doing during landing , next time i fly , joke  . alvin

[masterpilot94]

only airbus have retard

boeing goes

50, 40, 30, 20, 10...

no retard

greetz

[alvinabejuro]

thanks for the information. it brings me to another question though.why only airbus have retard?does it mean that boeings have more sophisticated engines than the airbus?thanks again. alvin

[masterpilot94]

no airbus is just an unfriendly plane.. thats why he calls the pilot a retard.. lol just kidding

no it's because boeing have an other voice pack installed

no it has nothing to do with the engines but the cockpit voice.

greetz

[alvinabejuro]

ah..ok. now its clear to me that theres a packed voice installed in boeing , nice information.boeings are my favorites.hope i could fly with QATAR 777 soon.thanks for the reply.

[masterpilot94]

yea i like boeing way more than airbus..

i hope you can fly tje quatar 777

greetz

[alvinabejuro]

me too , only one time i fly with airbus , i did not like it.hope i can fly with 777 so i can have the experience , but on the economy seat only as always , lol.THANKS AGAIN.  alvin

[masterpilot94]

yea me too.. i flew airbus once.. a340-300 cathay pacific, boieng is way better.. love the sound of the 777

greetz masterpilot

[Swissflier101]

i prefer fokker 100 and airbus A340-313. really nice and smooth flight with airbus. fokker 100 have REALLY COMFTERBLE SEATS.

[masterpilot94]

did you ever fly the 777? they are great, so smooth and stable. i flew the Cathay Pacific a340-300, it was a nice stable aircraft

[Swissflier101]

ive always wanted to. actually its a nice plane from what i hear. also the A380 is nice. it had some small problems but now its all good. but ive got to admit that the fokkers have nice leather seats and the economy in swiss intl A340 are comfy too.

[masterpilot94]

wow than you're lucky.. klm doesn't have leather seats. i would like to fly emirates one day..

[Swissflier101]

well, Contact Air ( behalf of Swiss intl air/Lufthansa Cityline) has leather seats, they also fly very good! its the fokker 100. helvetic does too.

[Yashminator]

I wonder why did you put "Nude" in tags ;)

[MattJhsn]

I only saw pretty lights. I'm just glad there was also concrete there for them.

[scjozpzx]

but is just MIFG

[flippes3]

Nice video

[skycrab99]

Runway in sight before 500 feet? Not even a cat 1 landing.

[AirDude1213]

The actual approach or landing can be setup as a CAT III, just because its a CAT III approach doesn't mean the weather are below the minimums.

[tomc0507]

Ok dude check it out. Any ILS approach flown to 200 ft. IS A CAT I APPROACH. Make sure you know what you're talking about before you talk shit. Thanks.

[stickyjeans69]

Maybe you should STFU because Airdude is right, the landing was a CAT III because it was autopilot flown WITH a Rollout.......Listen to the Pilot's "Rollout....Check" only CAT III Landings have the rollout function on Airbus aircraft and that means even though the weather was CAT I minimum the autopilot flew the landing and started the rollout making it a CAT III Gah.

[tomc0507]

dear idiot (stickyjeans69),

i was not replying to airdude. instead i was replying to skycrab99 on his dumb remark about it not being a CAT I landing. So I guess you can STFU now. :-)

[FlightSimProductions]

Dude (tom) it was a CAT III. Face it, you were wrong.

[bikrtc]

i am not arguing about what type of approach it was... i don't care... the only point i was trying to make is that any ILS approach to 200 feet is a CAT I approach. God damn!

[pineappleboy1]

cat 3

[AirDude1213]

To reply to you (tomc0507), not "ANY" ILs can be flown to 200ft, even if that was true you never mentioned MSL or AGL. Each ILS has its own MDA and DH (Decision Height), at which the runway must be in sight or a go around should defiantly be initiated. Hence, the height at which you make the decision of "landing".

Stickjeans69, totally agree with you, about the callout too.

[ShortyTXL]

As far as I know this has been a CATIIIb approach. Only the IIIb allows to perform a full autoland procedure.

[marcelofig93]

Wrong, the CAT II allows too

[yaslovr]

nice but def. not a cat 3

[Omid45]

wow i like how the comments are informative, and unlike other comments on in clips, people fucking eachother out, and fighting with eacher about who's race is better.

[FoXakaFoX]

so true!!

[Omid45]

i gues you've seen it too hun lol. I mean it's like a clip about planes, and people start getting talking about whose country would win a war.

[FoXakaFoX]

yes, absolutly!! i'm with you!!

[goingtobeapilot]

Haha, I know just what your saying, and I agree! lol

[ccoraxfan]

That autopilot sure has an attitude! He insults the pilot: "10, retard!"

[kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE]

Excuse me, what 'retard' means, in this case, is reverse thrust to help slow the plane down...I hope I'm right. The autopilot on Airbus aircraft use some different terminology than on Boeing jets.

[ccoraxfan]

The AP says "Retard" while the plane is still in the air, which is not the time for reverse thrust. I believe it means the same as what we in the US call flare - lift the nose in preparation for main gear touchdown. It's funny because to Americans it's an insult referring to mental slowness.

[Intrepidity]

Actually it's telling you to retard the throttles (=to idle). Retard actually means to move slower, so the meaning is kinda the same, but in a different context :)

[hazell682]

Retard = Late in french...

[ThepowerofGE90]

The AP says nothing, Its the GPWS (Ground Proximatey Warning System) which will call out altitudes on landing so the pilot doesent have to keep refering to his instruments when landing.

[ccoraxfan]

Well I've always heard it called a radio altimeter, but then I've never flown a plane with such fancy systems as AP or GPWS. With an old Piper Cherokee trainer you're lucky if the radios all work!

[ThepowerofGE90]

Wrong, the retard callout which is called out after 20 ft, actully means retard the throttles, inother words idle the throttles.

[Intrepidity]

And since Airbus is part french, i guess the autopilot is warning the pilots that they fucked up the schedule again, hehe :P

[vancouverpilot]

Yup it means to pull the throttles to idle. I recently had an opportunity to fly in the 320 simulator with an AC pilot.

[ccoraxfan]

The autopilot is handicapped. He can't pull the throttles himself. Shucks, when will we ever have self-piloting planes?  Probably about the time we get flying cars, eh?

[NLBooger]

yup in that case the AP is a little handicapped, thats why it maybe says "Retard" refering to itself XD.

[ccoraxfan]

Notice the changing colors of the lights - centerline lights change to red and white when there are 3000 feet of runway left. At 2000 feet the edge lights change to yellow. At 1000 feet the centerline lights go all red. Centerline lights are 50 feet apart.

[otwillywonka]

whats with the music

[gperalta02]

excellent! whats the CAT III though? I know about ILS not about CAT III

[laterthnyouthink]

The ILS has three categories, I, II, and IIIa, IIIb, and IIIc. The major difference being lower weather minimums for the cat II and III approaches. The CAT III approach ranges from a ceiling of 50 ft and 700 RVR to IIIc with no ceiling and a zero RVR. Special certification for the plane and crew is required beyond a Cat I ILS.

[ccoraxfan]

And RVR, for the uninitiated, means Runway Visual Range in feet. Basically horizontal visibility along the runway.

[slipknotsoadown]

excellent view... thanks for the up

[Abdelhakiem]

ben je zelf piloot op de a330-200 ?

[atenco01]

Airbus Plane.....Awesome....Great skills...

[Abdelhakiem]

hoi dit is toch een airbus maar welke?

[acemaccool]

A330-200