Canadian Black Watch .The Formation .Part 1 of 12

[rapartist43]

What are you guys arguing over? OF COURSE there are Canooks with kilts as a lot of their ancestors were Scottish. So what? Aren't there Irish Americans also? Why shouldn't there be a regiment called BLACK WATCH? Or SAS? MY GOODNESS!

[UpstairsMaid]

I have scottish, irish, welsh, english & french blood in my veins, (25% french) & I can tell you I'm not irish, or scottish or any of these things. I AM CANADIAN. And part of Canada is the Black Watch, Kilts, fife, drum & pipes. I celebrate that. To those idiots who are nitpicking & arguing I could care less what you think. There's no fucking hyphen in my ancestry, and no place is home other than Canada.

[UpstairsMaid]

@UpstairsMaid And I piss on anyone who disses the Black Watch, or the sacrifice they made for the freedoms of others, including pig headed sheep fucking scots.  BTW in Canada it's just called the Black Watch

'Although members of the Regiment served side by side with the Black Watch of Scotland in the Boer War, the formal alliance between Regiments did not occur until 1905.' dumb asses

[Wolgrub]

@akropiss That was very poetic. You might like to consider a career in the diplomatic corps. You seem to have a clear vision and a natural talent for that sort of thing.

[gaelicscots]

@akropiss Playing the bagpipes and wearing the kilt does not make you Scottish. I am not judging I am merely sharing the sentiments of the average Scot. I know for a fact that I do not know any Scots who would regard an American or a Canadian as fellow Scot.

To be part of an identity you must be percieved to be part of a group, we Scots do not percieve you as one of us, you are percieved as an outsider, a foreigner. Be proud to be what you are - a Canadian :)

[gaelicscots]

@akropiss Having read this thread with interest, I have to side with Kingdomofdal, I do not regard Canadians like yourself as Scots and I know that my fellow Scots would not either, it has nothing to do with nationalism, but simply diference in culture, society and perception of identity.

[kingdomofdalriada]

@akropiss Your culture is nothing like the Scots I have been to Canada and you are nothing like us, calling yourself a Scot in your Canuck accent is ridiculous.

You are the one that is deluded

[kingdomofdalriada]

@akropiss Alexander Graham Bell etc. were born and raised in Scotland, you were not.

It is not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination. I was born and raised in Scotland, therefore I am Scottish no matter where I am. You were not raised in Scotland therefore you are not Scottish. To be Scottish, you must have been assimilated and formed by Scottish- culture, people, language, dialect, common values, wolrd view, ideology etc etc.

you hav none of these trait because you are Canadian

[kingdomofdalriada]

@akropiss Ever heard of Walter Smitty ?

[kingdomofdalriada]

@akropiss They did not come from Scotland, their ancestors came from Scotland. They were born and raised in Canada, hence they are Canadian.

And Nova Scotia was British soil not Scottish soil. Nova Scotia was part of Britain, not part of Scotland.

[kingdomofdalriada]

@akropiss They are NOT highlanders because they dont come from the Scottish highlands, They are CANADIANS.

And shut the fuck about 'pulling a dirk on me' , your making yourself look like a fucking tit.

[VeritasTruthEmet]

this is so masonic ahahaha

wow

[kingdomofdalriada]

Candian Black watch = pseudo Black Watch

[rousseau5550]

piss off

[kingdomofdalriada]

Do Canadians say piss off.

Or are you copying us Brits again ?

[kerebaka]

It's the same regiment, it always been. It's a bit difficult to ceonceive since Canada have become a country in 60s, getting "independent" from UK. But there is still strong links to The Black Watch in Scotland.

[scottishnationalist]

Its the same regiment in name only.

The Balck Watch of Canada is not a Scottish regimnet. It is a Canadian regiment composed of Candians.

It is not a Scottish regiment if there are no Scots in it.

[kerebaka]

@scottishnationalist

my dear, it is not a question of person in it...

it is strongly affiliated to the home unit.

[pteJames]

@scottishnationalist what do you know Canada is filled with Scot's Your notion of who are Scottish is very narrow minded, My Ancesstors have made sure that we never forget that we are Scottish!!

[kingdomofdalriada]

@pteJames My view on what is Scottish is shared by the vast majority of Scots. You are Canadian you are not Scottish.

You are a foreigner brought up in a completely different environment, culture and society.

If you came to Scotland you would be seen as Canadian.

[pteJames]

@kingdomofdalriada True Canadians Are the Native's of Canada we are the Foreigner's Just like you would say the British who live in Scotland would be Foreigners.

[scottishnationalist]

@pteJames I am going to end this argument just now, I am not going to sit and listen to a Canadian lecture me on what makes a Scot. I have was born in this country, I have lived in it every second of my life. I am Scottish through my culture, society and community, which you are not.

You have probably never even been to Scotland and frankly if you came to a pub in Scotland and said you were Scottish and your Canadian accent, you would be laughed out the place.

[pteJames]

@scottishnationalist Go hifreann leat!

[scottishnationalist]

@pteJames "Your notion of who are Scottish is very narrow minded"

It is not narrow minded, it is only narrow minded to you, because you don't agree with it. You are not a Scottish, you dont come from Scotland and I dont care who your ancestors are.

My dad is irish that does not make me irish, because I was born and brought up in Scotland, you are Canadian, get over it.

[shamino1000]

@scottishnationalist I'm really happy that some guy from the cultural powerhouse of scotland thinks he has the right to tell me what is a part my culture and what is not... because apparently people who immigrate aren't allowed to keep their identity?? Please, give me a break! Here's the facts for you: Canada is multi-ethnic, people from Scotland immigrated here, and they left a lasting influence on my country. Do you understand that? Can that fit inside your head?

[MacMhicAlasdair]

@kingdomofdalriada You disgusting, ignorant "Scottish" pig. how dare you piss on the legacy of the thousands upon thousands of soldiers who died for the British Empire in this regiment. Fvck you, you vile, bovril-drinking, drunken, kebab-eating pile of dung. This is on behalf of my great-grandfather who was in the Somme in WW1 and my ancestors who were Gaels victimised by Edinburgh and London. We do not forget, even if you do. You have no respect.

[ScottishCaledonian]

@MacMhicAlasdair Well technically this regiment is not Scotish, nor are the soliers serving Scottish, they are Canadian.

[smoopers1994]

@MacMhicAlasdair Well said and well thought



[yukonnahanni]

watch this segment well all

[joeghioa]

had not been for Australia , New Zealand , South Africa , India and Canada pulling together with great Britain , we wouldn't be here arguing about such trivial things , don't forget this group of unprepared nations held off the Axis for fourteen months on their own.

[29Gixxer]

@joeghioa

No! USA won the war all on their own I tell you! John Wayne rode in on horseback...nutted Hitler then was back in France drinking wine and eating cheese. It must be true because I see it in a movie once.

[joeghioa]

@29Gixxer Hey, I guess you can't argue with the facts , I agree John Wayne was bigger than life , too bad he's gone. Thanks for the humor , we all need to take a step back once in a while.Did you know that when the war ended the US still had not reached it's full potential of war production, how much bigger would their armed forces have gotten.

[29Gixxer]

@joeghioa

I have heard that and many Americans forget that WW2 is what made them so rich. UK finished paying off WW1 around 10 years ago and we still have a little bit left for WW2. Don't get me wrong mate, I love American people as well as allot of people although when it comes to money (err...wealth to me more precise)...there is no such thing as friends :)

Our 'special relationship' is more like what friends are as an adult...convienience...

[joeghioa]

@29Gixxer Wow, I never imagined any country paying back the U.S., now that's quite the honorable thing to do, within ten years the UK will not owe the us for ww2,we're talking about enormous amounts of money. Well that proves it then, I had seen in a banker's magazine once which countries had the most money and to my surprise the UK was # 3 in the world, just slightly less than Japan, the US was 5 times Japan , but the next country after the UK was Germany and it was only one quarter of the UK.

[29Gixxer]

@joeghioa

It's not just that. We have backed the US in all wars where as they have turned their backs on as in the Falklands, Suez Canal etc. Or like this BP disaster...BP changed their name to reflect the fact that it's mainly owned by the US now but when there's a disaster...they then Call it British Petroleum and blame the UK LOL. They choose to ignore that they have fucked up the Niger Delta and have not lifted a finger to help!

Fair weather friends...This is our beef :0

[kentamitchell]

@29Gixxer Get real. I recommend you read the memoirs of the Royal Navy Admiral who commanded the Falkland Expedition. He stated in exactly so many words that they couldn't have done it w/o US aid.

PS try switching to decaf

[29Gixxer]

@kentamitchell

Here we go..another Yank who thinks US won the falklands...that is like me saying that the reaon why USA has lost the wars (the ones it has lost) has been because the UK has not been there to help :)

US provided us with a few stinger missiles and more crucially...the sidewinder.

The ground/naval fighting was 100% british and the argies died at the hands of the British bayonet....not American :)

[29Gixxer]

@kentamitchell

PS...USA/Russia/Germany etc all said we couldn't do it but we did. USA has not won a single war this century on it's own....

[29Gixxer]

@kentamitchell

Well last century...ya know what I mean.

[29Gixxer]

@kentamitchell

In fact...I recall there being US mercanaies at Mount Longon lmao. The ones that survived were paraded as tourists. LOL yeah right...tourists in the middle of a battle zone...in the middle of knowhere :0

[29Gixxer]

@kentamitchell

Please explain....

[kentamitchell]

@29Gixxer I recommend you read Max Hastings' & Simon Jenkins' excellent history. Fine display of fighting by HM forces. However, without US logistical help ( Stingers, Sidewinders, Intel) it never would've happened. I'll defer to Admiral Woodards opinion on that matter.

Of course, without US *political* support, the fleet never would have left harbor- much less gotten past Gibraltar.

I guess you never heard of Suez. ROTFLMFAO!

[29Gixxer]

@kentamitchell

Thx for the reccomendation...I shall be sure to look it up to see what he said. What is certain is that we would of struggled without US help although the same can be said in places like Afghanistan I guess. Seeing as you brought this up and as a matter of interests (be honest mate...no offence will be taken)...what are your thoughts on the situation today? I mean, do you think the Argies could take over the Falklnds now?

I ask because they are kicking up a stink...

[kentamitchell]

@29Gixxer I am very hopeful that there will be no more blood shed over the Falklands. I think the key question is how long does the UK intend to spend 75 million quid a year, to allow 3k natives stay British? I once told a British friend would've been much better advised to demand, a free election, and then offer each FI a check. Then either spend some of the money on Spanish lessons or relocate somewhere north of John O'Groats. Mightnt've worked, but MUCH more senseable than happened in '82

[29Gixxer]

@kentamitchell

Oil mate...that's the only reason why we are there. They have estimated (now confirmed) ther to be 60 billion barrells worth of the blcak gold there. That's enough to clear our national debt although it will take another 5 years before we a re punping out the stuff consistantly. Oil is the reason for all these wars. i can explain in detail although it will need to be done in a PM.

I will send soon.

[29Gixxer]

@joeghioa

You sure about that mate? I know we are in the top 10 although I can't see us being wealthier than China?

[29Gixxer]

@joeghioa

You must be talking about real wealth (Gold reserves) because our GDP is 6th I believe.

[joeghioa]

Listen people , you don't have to be born in Scotland to be in a Highland regiment.During the second world war , almost every Scottish regiment had an affiliated regiment in Canada, a great majority of the men in these regiments were not born in Scotland.Don't kid yourselves , there is a great Scottish influence in Canada , in fact today many members of the Black Watch are actually French Canadian.We must not think we are better than the other parts of what used to be the British Empire , if it-

[duncancallum]

gaelicscots is a proper aresole,and the rest of the pricks who who talk shit in these comments.ive lived in australia for 45 years , so i guess i am a non scotsman now get nicked you dumb arseholes.duncan,

[kingdomofdalriada]

I agree with gaelicscots, if you are not at the very least, raised in scotland from a young age you are NOT scottish.

stop embarressing yourself b y pretending to be and basquing in our reflected glory

[paseggiato]

define what being canadian is and american? Being born in America definently makes me American even if i live soemwhere else !!!!

[gaelicscots]

The scots are not a race of people. The scots are not defined as a race through anthropology.

[falconer54]

People with Canadian accents wearing kilts has a long history.

[kingdomofdalriada]

people with canadian accents wearing kilts is ridiculous.

[pteJames]

what do you know! part of the black watch stayed in Canada after fighting in the American revolution plus canada was full of Scottish Immigration like my family!

[gaelicscots]

"Canada after fighting in the American revolution plus canada was full of Scottish Immigration like my family! "

So ?

your ancestors might have been scottish but you are not. I doubt there is any scottish people at all in the canadian black watch

[pteJames]

there are people of scottish decent in the black watch! and what is being Scottish or Canadian or any outher nationality! We are the Immigrant 's If you are not of Native blood you to are a Immigrant by Family tree leads to scotland there for i am proud Scottish/Canadian

[gaelicscots]

Being born in Scotland does not make you scottish, nor does having scottish parents make you scottish. You can only be scottish if you were raised in scotland from an early age to adulthood. This allows scotland to change, form and mould your personality and charcter by scottish; culture, people, ideology, beliefs, sense of inward and outward perceptions, attitudes, worldview, kinship, community, behavioural traits, politics, as well as all of our weaknesses and such.

[scottishnationalist]

you are not a scottish canadian, you are simply a canadian.

For I know plenty of scottish with english and irish parents. they never give themselvs ridiculous titles such as an english scot or irish scot.

you are not scottish by any stretch. you couldnt even set foot in scotland without a visa

[pteJames]

being scottish does not realy mean you were born there as a lot of Scottish were chased out of Scotland but never let there Children forget where they came from!!

[scottishnationalist]

ptejames you are NOT scottish. You are canadian. The scots in scotland would never consider you scottish, so stop these fantasies.

You dont know how ridiculous you sound.

[paseggiato]

scottish in america is a sub-culture

[UpstairsMaid]

@gaelicscots so you're saying you're from scotfuck? that wasted piece of shit? good on you .