I love Penn, but how come he doesn't mention the thiomersal an the other additives in vaccines? His argument seems to be based more on drama than facts. Vaccination works in principle, but once you add in the extra shit going directly into your bloodstream, bypassing your body's natural defences I think most reasonable people would agree that the risks now outweigh the benefits. Whatever you think, the right for people to choose what goes in their bodies MUST be preserved at all costs.
I love Penn, but how come he doesn't mention the thiomersal an the other additives in vaccines? His argument seems to be based more on drama than facts. Vaccination works in principle, but once you add in the extra shit going directly into your bloodstream, bypassing your body's natural defences I think most reasonable people would agree that the risks now outweigh the benefits. Whatever you think, the right for people to choose what goes in their bodies MUST be preserved at all costs.
I love Penn, but how come he doesn't mention the thiomersal an the other additives in vaccines? His argument seems to be based more on drama than facts. Vaccination works in principle, but once you add in the extra shit going directly into your bloodstream, bypassing your body's natural defences I think most reasonable people would agree that the risks now outweigh the benefits. Whatever you think, the right for people to choose what goes in their bodies MUST be preserved at all costs.
I love Penn, but how come he doesn't mention the thiomersal an the other additives in vaccines? His argument seems to be based more on drama than facts. Vaccination works in principle, but once you add in the extra shit going directly into your bloodstream, bypassing your body's natural defences I think most reasonable people would agree that the risks now outweigh the benefits. Whatever you think, the right for people to choose what goes in their bodies MUST be preserved at all costs.
I love Penn, but how come he doesn't mention the thiomersal an the other additives in vaccines? His argument seems to be based more on drama than facts. Vaccination works in principle, but once you add in the extra shit going directly into your bloodstream, bypassing your body's natural defences I think most reasonable people would agree that the risks now outweigh the benefits. Whatever you think, the right for people to choose what goes in their bodies MUST be preserved at all costs.
I love Penn, but how come he doesn't mention the thiomersal an the other additives in vaccines? His argument seems to be based more on drama than facts. Vaccination works in principle, but once you add in the extra shit going directly into your bloodstream, bypassing your body's natural defences I think most reasonable people would agree that the risks now outweigh the benefits. Whatever you think, the right for people to choose what goes in their bodies MUST be preserved at all costs.
I love Penn, but how come he doesn't mention the thiomersal an the other additives in vaccines? His argument seems to be based more on drama than facts. Vaccination works in principle, but once you add in the extra shit going directly into your bloodstream, bypassing your body's natural defences I think most reasonable people would agree that the risks now outweigh the benefits. Whatever you think, the right for people to choose what goes in their bodies MUST be preserved at all costs.
One of the major problems in taking for granted the practice of vaccination as the reason for the massive decline in infectious disease, is that there was a massive decline in these diseases beginning decades before any vaccine was ever introduced to the populous. In many cases you have a 90% decline of these infectious diseases before the vaccine was even implemented. I have a hard time accepting the notion that I am a conspiracy theorist for pointing out this simple fact.
This was hilarious. Alex Jones from infowars, who I respect, thinks the vaccines today have mercury in them and are poinoning us. Just like flouride in the water. I'm skeptical but I think that would be something to look into.
Within the next 40 years, vaccination will be looked upon as a deranged practice. The same way we now look at those who tried to treat disease with mercury and frontal lobotomies.
They are good entertainers, and make plenty of money doing it. Sadly a lot of people can't and won't do the research and leave it to these clowns to tell them how it is.
The issue isn't the VACCINATIONS, it's the lethal or toxic ADULTERANTS that are PUT INTO the vaccinations.
I'm FOR the SCIENCE of VACCINATIONS, but they NEED TO BE MADE SAFELY AND CORRECTLY.
MERCURY is NOT a SAFE preservative, BUT IT'S BEING PUT INTO VACCINATIONS.
THINK ABOUT IT: THEY EVACUATE AN ENTIRE SCHOOL IF A KID DROPS A MERCURY THERMOMETER, BUT DON'T BLINK AN EYE BEFORE INJECTING MERCURY INTO INFANTS AND CHILDREN!
@DIVAD291 You DO realize that, unless you actually remove and SWALLOW the Americium-241 in fire alarms, you are posed a greater threat by your garbage disposal sucking you in by your necktie. Right?
@HaskelCausey any virus, bacteria, or other organism that causes illness in the human body that is taken in from a foreign source ( basically your not born with it) is considered an "Infectious Disease. theyre diseases bud.
they are right. The whole autism controversy started with 1 research, which turned out to be fraudulent. The findings have since then never been repeated.
@oOexarkunOo THE most important might be a stretch, certainly they helped a lot in the past. But just like anything there are good and bad ones, and nowadays there's a lot of money involved. Doing you're research is important, because not necessarily all of them are good for you. And some people are anti only because they follow the "natural" route, which isn't bad, just another way.
What Penn and Teller fail to mention is the evolution of the human immune system and how we built up defenses on our own, not due to vaccines. My Grandma's doctor made her get the flu vaccine and every time she got it, she got the flu and got seriously ill. Eventually due to her frail state she passed away. Why people would rather get meds injected into their bodies to be healthy rather than just being healthy and taking the natural route just blows my mind. Talk about sheeple.....geez.
@SakuraSaku013 you don't know what you're talking about. First off - your grandmother is in a different group of people than young children. You really should read about diseases like Rubella, small pox and diptheria or pertussis. these diseases were killing thousands of people, especially young kids not even 150 years ago. natural immunity is important to build up but there are diseases that affect very young children and neonates who haven't yet developed natural immunity.
@XerxesOmicron I do know actually...and my Grandmother was just a reference. I simple prefer the natural route. And giving vaccines, sometimes 9 vaccinations at a time, to young children whose body simply can't handle it, isn't the way to do it. Children have died from it, and there have been many adverse side effects. Now the pharmaceutical companies are encouraging mothers to vaccinate while pregnant, or vaccinate them young...it's just wrong...
@XerxesOmicron Besides, I'm talking about vaccines now. Vaccines 150 years ago were probably a whole lot more honest then they are now. They saved lives....but now a days... The Pharmacy companies are too much like a greedy corporation and are pushing this almost mandatory vaccine thing too hard for me to not be suspicious. Now a day a kid gets a vaccine and the next day they never talk again. Don't believe me, look it up. There are tons of families who faced this problem,
@SakuraSaku013 There were NO vaccines 150 years ago. Please look up the history of vaccines and the history of modern medicine. I agree with you 100% that pharmaceutical companies are greedy corporations. But vaccines for the most common childhood illnesses have saved MILLIONS of lives since they were first developed. Let me give you an example - before the vaccine for H. Influenzae - so many neonates (newborn babies) were getting meningitis caused by this bacteria. Now - you rarely see it.
@XerxesOmicron lol!! You're right there weren't, and I apologize. I was trying to reference your "Not even 150 years ago" and it came out wrong. I do agree with one thing, people should do research. Which I have been doing, sadly there seems to be just as much data for my side and for you side. But I would be happier in the end if people would just do actual research as to what they're giving their children instead of just assuming what doc says goes.
@SakuraSaku013 It's okay :) I am a medical student and have studied immunology so I understand the basis for vaccination. I totally agree with you that people should do their research; there is a LOT more data supporting the need for vaccination for certain illnesses - ESPECIALLY hepatitis, meningitis, measles, rubella - these diseases can be very very bad to have - and you can spread them to others.
@XerxesOmicron Well I honestly hope you're medical work goes well for you. I have several friends in that field who are disappointed in the financial focus (not being given enough time to finish research, tests, etc....) and things not getting done as safely as they should. I'm sure it depends on where you work, but there are good and bad just like in anything. Though it seems finding good doctors, etc... is harder nowadays.
@XerxesOmicron I'm sorry if I seem biased, but I've had so many bad experiences in the medical field that is' kind of turned me off, and I tend to stick with more herbal ways anymore. Not that I'm "ANTI" anything here....I'm not anti-science or anti-tech.....it just seems harder and harder to trust things these days. So best of luck to you!
@SakuraSaku013 Parents should take the time to understand why certain vaccines are really important. Now - it is definitely true that natural immunity obtained via breast milk is THE most important factor in keeping young children healthy and free of disease. But there are other situations - for example college kids needing a vaccine for meningitis - you don't get that in breast milk. Doctors are responsible for making healthy recommendations - certain vaccines are really important.
@XerxesOmicron The trouble with today is I can't go into town without seeing "vaccination" marketing signs everywhere. I've listened to the interviews of the families who children were adversely effected by the vaccinations because the doc gave a 3 year old 9 shots in one visit. And the mother who didn't want to get her 3 year old vaccinated, so the doc called the police and child services on her. Now in Cal. they can do it in school without telling the parents.
@SakuraSaku013 Not to mention for all the meningitis we don't get, we seem to have plenty of cancer to fill the gap. I wont argue anymore though, it's my personal feelings and like I said if people would do the research at least it would be something. It just frustrates me when people look at things as "no that can never happen" instead of "ok, I don't necessarily agree but I'll keep it in mind" -.-'.....that's just me though..lol
@SakuraSaku013 Like what Xerxes said, what you missed is the fact that a vaccine is quite literally a dead virus. It's injected into the human body to give the white blood cells an idea of how to deal with a live virus, which is much more destructive. Your grandmother became ill every time she got the vaccine because it was quite literally the flu itself. And please don't say something stupid like "it's so dumb to put a virus in the system on purpose". It won't kill you, but live viruses will.
@TheIntelife I wouldn't say something so stupid. I know what a vaccine is, and I'm aware that she got sick because she was quite literally, being given the flu. But the pharmaceutical companies are making so much money of this, and anymore money is what it's all about. There are enough bad side effects out there, and I certainly don't put any trust in the pharmaceutical companies. Especially when the issue is all over the news, and parents have legit concerns....
@SakuraSaku013 The flu vaccine is a bit controversial, I agree. Maybe not everybody (especially elderly) should be getting flu vaccines. However, vaccines for N.meningitis (which can cause meningitis in young adults and basically KILL them), Hepatitis A, B (which can give you SERIOUS liver disease and eventually cause liver cancer) are absolute MUSTS. Look - please read about Meningitis, Diptheria, Hepatitis and TELL me that vaccines aren't necessary. KNOW what you're talking about.
@SakuraSaku013 Just don't be confusing the complex immoral obscenities with the value of vaccines. While it may be true that some vaccines are just money machines, that is a problem with the actions of the corporation, and says nothing about the value of vaccines. Don't fall for absurd conspiracy theories, but instead per vaccine do some research and understand why you should/shouldn't get it. It is the best we can do, and our children deserve it.
@sehakoziel Ah but the problem here is the pharmaceuticals basically are corporations now a days. Don't get me wrong, I don't just go falling for conspiracies theories because they sound fun. I do it because I hear the stories and the support and they make sense to me. And yeah, you're right...IF people did research. And funny thing is you can find support for either side. But since I hate debating really...and people are now supposedly insulting my family.... I'll end it here :)
@SakuraSaku013 why don't you tell me about the evolution of the human immune system since you're such an expert about it? Have you ever taken a course on immunology, or are you just magically enlightened?
pen teller you are so full of shit its amazing , alot of disease didnt exist before vaccination usatoday.com/news/health/2007-10-05-780181940_x.htm but they got a new vaccine for that too dont they you puss fu*cks
And what about the fact that vaccinated children compared to non vaccinated have: 400% more allergies, 240% more asthma, 428% more hay fever, 185% more neurodermatitis, 400-800% more ADHD, 2200% more ear infections, 3200% more sinusitis, and finally a whopping 19500% more autism
P&T: How do you explain vaccinated children a proven to have a 19500% higher risk of autism? Is that not significant to you? And what about the fact they only prevent disease at most in 1.5% of people vaccinated? Your silly plexiglass wall suggests vaccines are almost 100% effective, when they are 1.5% effective (that's if you believe the manufacturer, which I don't).
I pleased this is finally cleared up. Well done Penn & Teller once again :). I'm very tired of people confused on the vaccination issue. I'm even more tired of the conspiracy theories applied to them. It is insanity.
@sehakoziel What's really sad is that people just automatically assume that ALL conspiracy theories are bad and invented by crazy people in tin hats, instead of being open minded. That's the true insanity....
@SakuraSaku013 I agree, but with some caution. For some reason people want to believe in these things, almost like they are religions. In neither case can we assume they have any or no truth value in them. Instead, on a case by case basis, we need to research and get to the bottom of all the claims. It would be unwise to choose any side of a theory without at least understanding it. I subscribe to a special magazine called Skeptic, you should try it I suspect you'd like it :).
@TaleThatWasntRight I'm in total agreement with you...it's strange to see so many people afraid of science and technology using a computer. Evidently computers were invented by Jenny McCarthy or are made of some sort of natural Earth Magic.
I keep watching the comments for someone to claim that vaccines are an invention of the Reptilians, or that ther cured someone of AIDS and polio with orgainic tortillas and free-trade coffee grounds.
@sonas76 It's not fear of science and technology....it's a lack of trust of the people behind it. Be a little open minded for crying out loud, just because we think outside the box makes us weirdos in tin hats? At least I don't run around with blinders on.
@SakuraSaku013 I'm open minded, but not enough that my brain can fall off my head. Just reading the figures proves that vaccination saves lives and limbs. With all the proven stuff that the USA government and mega-companies have REALLY done, it's ridiculous for people to focus on the unproven.
@SakuraSaku013 The reason you can run around without blinders on is because you still have able limbs and you still have your eyesight. You should thank herd immunity for that, since rubella and polio are almost eradicated by sheeple who trusted the power of vaccinations. You reap the benefits of a fewer illnesses so your anti-scientific otaku ass can mock those who keep you healthy. Must be nice to have your disease-free cake and eat it too and still feel smug and superior.
@sonas76 Right, cause that's the point I was making....thank you for the otaku insult by the way, though I'm pretty sure I actually do have a life. Nice try though...besides, just because diseases like polio and rubella are gone doesn't mean others didn't take their place. I'm also not anti-scientific.... I'm aware there are a lot of great scientific discoveries medical and non that have come about. I was simply insulted by your tin hat comment...defensive much?
Privy council enquired into vaccination act of 1867 concluded that 97.5% of the people who died from smallpox were vaccinated for it. 1959 - 77.5% of paralytic polio victims had received 3 doses of IPV (injective polio vaccine) in Massachusetts.
There was a small paradigm shift in the diagnosis of autism. During the early 90s "Asperger's syndrome", "autism" and "autism spectrum disorder" were considered three separate diagnoses -- but a better understanding of autism made more and more doctors categorize those three under one term "autism spectrum disorder", so the statistical increase one might see of autism, is just a change in the labeling and diagnosis. Increase of autism and increased vaccinations correlate for a very diff. reason!
@iasedu Then why do vaccinated children have 19 500% more autism than unvaccinated children? And were's not talking about a 2-3% increase, it's a 19 500% increase, there can be little argument against that.
They create diseases to scare us into vaccination. Is it reasonable to suggest that if there is a concern that science is being used to deliberately sicken and kill the peasants that we can then trust the the same scientific bodies to prove that they are not?
@TheExpertCritique I also agree with you. They do this too with acne. Acne never existed untill the 20th century, I mean look at old painting of kings and stuff, all of them had perfect complexion. Now the acne products that supposedly cure acne cause it instead, so they can make money.
@TheExpertCritique this is the kind of rationale that is required. The medical industry is a profit driven industry and profit at any expense. Disease and medical problems are profitable. Just as crime, and the resulting increase in police force, look good in terms of job creation. War is profitable. If it's dark problem, you can make money out of it, if it's a remedy, no more wealth is created.
@cr0uchingtiger money is just a tool to corrupt the minions in the corporations. The real goal is power.The knights of malta run medicine. They want us dead, its that simple. But how to kill millions without us finding out? Make us all stupid from birth? Give us all viruses the day we're born?
@TheExpertCritique yeah, we just have to be a little careful in case we swing too wildly in the other direction. I pendulum every day between "are they trying to kill us all and make us slaves?" and "maybe it's all ok" and there's infinite proof both ways. Very frustrating.
The argument a lot of people seem to have - though they may not realise it - is 'I would rather my child was dead than autistic'. That's terrible. And as they said, THERE IS NO FUCKING LINK BETWEEN MMR AND AUTISM
These two athiest twats are full of shit. Go ahead dumb ass you and your little silent buddy, go ahead and get your dose of poison in your viens, these two tools make me sick!
"More people die from the disease than the vaccinations. "
World-wide, yes.
But in developed countries, most of these diseases are treatable and all of them carry a very low rate of fatality. On the other hand, the amount of infants who die because of an overdose of neurotoxins or other severe negative reactions caused by vaccinations is still unknown.
@rayhs1984 The Gardasil vaccine has already killed almost 100 girls and permanently injured over 10 000. Keep in mind the manufacturer themselves admit it is far less than 1% effective at preventing cervical cancer.
I'm not against vaccinations. I'm against government telling me I must vaccinate my kids and when and how to do it. This is not healthy for a free society. These decisions should be made between parents and doctors. If left to the individual so many would choose vaccinations for their kids that the groups that wouldn't (Amish for example) would be cocooned by the vast majority. This should and would be a non issue if left to the individual. Government creates more resistance by using force imho
@conoba Why don't you ask all those 12 and 13 years old girls in Texas who were forced to get a Gardasol vac against STD by the tool Rick Perry, why don't you ask them. Maybe if they couldget out of bed and actually walk they would tell you and the others would have to come back to life to tell you. I am so sick of ignorant people who think ethyl mercury and adjuvants that contain life viruses doesn't harm the human body. I bet this fat tool thinks 911 was exactly as the government said!
One more sound bite, with accentuated, loud, foul language, for the unassuming, obviously in need of direction, uneducated, ostrich like approach of, lemming like response to, did you hear?, did you see?, hoping that someone else would, you don't need to look behind the curtain, just move along, ignore the real, induced pandemic, masses.
Idiots saying vaccines are dangerous have forgotten what it's like to have smallpox and other diseases around. Visit a 3rd world country where a few of these diseases still exist and then lets see if you still think the same way. Smallpox alone killed 300-500 MILLION people just this century, more than 6 times the number of people killed in World War 2.
@Supraux You're blindly assuming vaccines work, which they are not proven to, at the very most they prevent disease in 1.5% of those vaccinated, and most that get the diseases had been vaccinated "against" them. What erradicated these diseases in developed countries is better hygene and nutrition and especially the sewer system. The proof is these diseased had already been almost entirely wiped out before vaccines were ever invented.
the argument isnt that vaccinations in general cause autism. the argument is that giving newborn infants so many vaccines all at once that some experts say you would need to be a 200+lb man to absorb safely
@timjitsu714 Who are these experts? what evidence do they provide that these vaccines require a "200+lb" man to absorb safely? Would they be absorbed safely in a 170lb man? what about a 175lb woman? Why not? What does "absorb safely" mean? why is it based on weight? Why is giving many vaccines at the same time different (and worse) than giving them at different times?
There are questions in this "debate", but they should be answered honestly, and scientifically, not with fear-mongering.
@MisterDataJack Because the amount of mercury in a vaccine would only be "safe" in a 500+ pound man. That's why vaccines cause a 19 500% increase in autism compared to unvaccinated children.
@aabsc Again, you spout stats without any evidence whatsoever. These things you say are "proven" (a term never used in science) simply aren't. You are either lying, or repeating someone else's lies that you believe to be true.
The real truth, the truth backed by ALL the scientific evidence, is that vaccines, with or w/o mercury cause no lasting harm, diseases, of illnesses, and save hundred of millions of lives.
You need to do more research instead of just reading crank web sites.
@MisterDataJack The only evidence that ever supported what you claim is done and paid for by vaccine companies, are you really that gullible to think studies done by the manufacturer are more reliable than independent studies done by people that don't have a conflict of interest? People with such an extreme gullibility as yourself are rarer by the day, once all such gullible people have been killed by modern medicine, their conspiracy will fall like a deck of cards.
@aabsc Your claims are entirely untrue. All studies, including many independent and govt sponsored, clearly indicate no harm is caused by vaccines. None. No study, independent, govt, or manufacturer has found any evidence that vaccines cause harm. None.
What you are doing is called lying. It has no place in adult conversations. Grow up, and get educated. You ideas are dangerous and stupid.
@MisterDataJack Your head is so far deep in the sand you must see China from there. Why don't you site some of these studies? I can't wait for people liek you to be wiped off this planet, the pain, suffering and deaths your gullibility and arrogance cause makes wars look like child play. I just the last 10 years, modern medicine killed more people than all wars in american history, or 784 000 deaths per year. You're running full speed to your own death anyway by relying on such quackery.
@MisterDataJack It's actually quite re assuring that you'll gladly let modern medicine take your life for profit, go get another vaccine and make sure to take all the prescriptions your doctor tells you to. That will rid the earth of you quite rapidly, and you'll stupidly think they care about you. Why do you think pharma companies repeatedly get the biggest criminal charges for committing mass murders and they get away with it with fines so they keep doing it, and you'll be one of their victims
@MisterDataJack To prove you wrong beyond the shadow of a doubt, why do you think they have a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) that has paid billions to people injured by vaccines and to family members of those killed by vaccines? If your completely outrageous claim was even remotely true there would be no need for the VICP. Stop being so gullible (or lying for your financial gain if that's the case).
@MisterDataJack BTW, how about you site me a study proving your outrageous claims, one that isn't paid for by the company selling the vaccine. Maybe once you realize no such science exists you'll realize what a fool you are. How do you explain a $10 000 prize for the first ti find evidence vaccines prevent disease is still unclaimed? Or a $100 000+ offer for a doctor to consume a weight calibrated dose of vaccine ingredients has also gone unclaimed for years? Stop believing all the marketing.
Um, SIDS actually SIDS actually went down 40 percent even as vaccination rates went up. Also, the chances of dying of a vaccine is so rare that you have a greater risk of dying from the disease it's supposed to fight against.
@jasongbaird You can sue them all day long. However, to win, you hafta have a case that's built on systematic evidence of wrongdoing. I'm thinking you'll have a hard time with that one, since there's simply no evidence of wrongdoing or that vaccines are as harmful as you claim.
My suggestion is, next time you're listening to your favorite conspiracy theorist, ask them to provide evidence. Then, do the due diligence on the evidence to see if it holds up itself.
@aabsc "In 2009 Baxter Pharmaceuticals was caught red-handed shipping out vaccines with live avian flu viruses to 18 countries."
What, that old lie is still circulating around? Hey, I hate big pharma just like everyone else, but there is no evidence of intentional wrongdoing in that situation. I like how you conspiracy theorists try to paint the situation as if they intentionally sent out the virus for some sort of devious master plan.
In Europe, a cohort study of 467,450 Danish children found no association between TCVs and autism or autism spectrum disorders (ASDs), nor any dose-response relationship between thiomersal and ASDs that would be suggestive of toxic exposure. An ecological analysis that studied 956 Danish children diagnosed with autism likewise did not show an association between autism and thiomersal.
A retrospective cohort study on 109,863 children in the United Kingdom found no association between TCVs and autism, but a possible increased risk for tics. Analysis in this study also showed a possible protective effect with respect to general developmental disorders, attention-deficit disorder, and otherwise unspecified developmental delay.
Another UK study based on a prospective cohort of 13,617 children likewise found more associated benefits than risks from thiomersal exposure with respect to developmental disorders. Because the Danish and UK studies involved only diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTP) or diphtheria-tetanus (DT) vaccines, they are less relevant for the higher thiomersal exposure levels that occurred in the U.S.
Whose saying we can demonize the white race? No one. Not a single individuals says that. You're inventing this anti-white conspiracy in order to justify your own hostility towards Jews. There is no white genocide. Deal with it.
"that Goyim are slave races that exist only to serve the Jews."
Actually no Jews believe that. That's a myth spread by anti-semites like you to justify your own racism against Jews. do you even have proof that that's what Jews believe? Also, the supposed quote from the Talmud about Jesus is also fake as it was referring to the famous convert Onkelos.
Seriously where do you get this shit from? My actions? You don't even know me. And where in my speech have I demonstrated a pro-white genocide stance? I think you're having delusions. And where have Jews proven themselves to be universally racist or ethnocentric? Was it Jews who ran European imperialism during the 1800 and 1900s? Nope. That was European whites. I think you just hate Jews.
@LookingGlass78 You recieve the flu shot every year? Well, this explains just about everything... Who told you or where did you read the flu shot is effective and/or safe? Or did you surmise this yourself? Every year the CDC claims the shot contained the incorrect strain. The flu shot still contains mercury laden thimerosal.
Funny. Where were you when blacks were being enslaved. Also, Whites are free. Unless they're being shackled up some where and being prevented from voting because of their the color of their skin you're pretty much speaking out of your ass.
@LookingGlass78 It's wrong for anyone to wrongfully harm anyone...we're all on the same page here, right? Ok, we've moved on...now back to the original debate concerning this g-d aweful Penn and teller vid...Oye gavalt (said with hand to forehead).
So please point to me where in the Torah or the Talmud where it explicitly talks about killing white people. I don't think Jewish culture is anti-white. I just think you're anti-Jewish. Freud would say you're projecting. So please point out the mass killings of whites by Jews.
Blowing the whistle doesn't mean shit unless you have evidence to back up your claims. You've yet to prove that such a genocide occurring despite the that most governments in the US and Europe are controlled predominately by white people. So let me get this strait: you're saying that 90% of white males agree with you? LOL!!! Talk about delusions of grandeur.
@LookingGlass78 I'm a proud jewish doctor, so I won't spread messages falsely implicate jews as agents of white genocide...even 70 years after 6 million jews were murdered during the holocaust.
What a piece of crap of a pro-vax vid...no substance except Penn's declaratory statements without scientific evidence. It's simple, childhood vaccines are a crap-shoot. 1 out of 90 children become brain damaged and/or ill following vaccination. Go on, take your chances...not me, my four breast fed unvaccinated children are the smartest and heathiest on the block.
Why do you always comment with the exact same ad-hominems are straw mans over and over again in a new comment box? It's clear that you're trying to avoid the fact that you've clearly lost and that I've royally owned you. 1 out of 90 children? According to who? Pulling numbers out of your ass again I see.
Sorry, but anti-racists don't spam every comment section or posting they come across like mindless tools. In fact the only reason why you spam like this is because you know that it's the only way people will notice those idiots like David Duke. You can't handle the fact that everyone knows how stupid and vehemently racist they are.
LOL!!! A Pro-white genocide agent?! Seriously that's some imagination you have there. It must be due to decades of inbreeding. I take it you ignored the part where I said I was white.
Also, what i really love is that everything you accuse anti-racists of doing you have sofar famous for. Like accusing Jews of being racists. You mean bigoted, deceptive, and unintelligent individuals voicing well known lies?
Let's just ignore the fact that virtually no well renowned historian agrees with you on that, but don't you find it inconsistent that you're denying something that you'd wouldn't mind if it actually happened in the first place?
So please list an institution or a human rights group that agrees with you on this supposedly global white genocide? There's a very good reason why there is not a single one and that's because such a genocide doesn't exist.
You know I just love the denial of racists. It's so fascinating this extreme example of cognitive dissonance in action. So I suppose that denying the holocaust and claiming Jews control control everything isn't anti-semitic to you?
I also love how racists like you are trying to play the victim in such a pitiful manner. White genocide? I am white you insignificant inbred piece of dopshit.
Ok Penn you dusche bag. What's causing 1 out of 90 children to become autistic following vaccination? Love to hear the Penn and Teller story on this...fuck yeah!
According to the vast majority of scientists it's certainly not vaccines. But I'd love you to answer me this: since thermarisol use in vaccines have significant decreased in vaccines why is the autism rate still growing?
Also, what is it like having all this blood on your hands due to the fact that your advocations have lead to hundreds of children becoming deathly ill because their parents didn't vaccinate them?
@TheAntiV Because aluminum, etc. is still in vaccines. It wasn't just mercury that killed and maimed millions of children, it's most of vaccine ingredients.
Again there is no evidence that aluminum has caused such problems. Aluminium compounds are used as immunologic adjuvants to increase the effectiveness of many vaccines. The quantities of aluminium ingested in this way are much smaller than the quantities ingested from other sources such as infant formula. In some cases these compounds have been associated with redness, itching, and low-grade fever, but its use in vaccines has not been associated with serious adverse events.
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I love Penn, but how come he doesn't mention the thiomersal an the other additives in vaccines? His argument seems to be based more on drama than facts. Vaccination works in principle, but once you add in the extra shit going directly into your bloodstream, bypassing your body's natural defences I think most reasonable people would agree that the risks now outweigh the benefits. Whatever you think, the right for people to choose what goes in their bodies MUST be preserved at all costs.
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I love Penn, but how come he doesn't mention the thiomersal an the other additives in vaccines? His argument seems to be based more on drama than facts. Vaccination works in principle, but once you add in the extra shit going directly into your bloodstream, bypassing your body's natural defences I think most reasonable people would agree that the risks now outweigh the benefits. Whatever you think, the right for people to choose what goes in their bodies MUST be preserved at all costs.
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I love Penn, but how come he doesn't mention the thiomersal an the other additives in vaccines? His argument seems to be based more on drama than facts. Vaccination works in principle, but once you add in the extra shit going directly into your bloodstream, bypassing your body's natural defences I think most reasonable people would agree that the risks now outweigh the benefits. Whatever you think, the right for people to choose what goes in their bodies MUST be preserved at all costs.
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I love Penn, but how come he doesn't mention the thiomersal an the other additives in vaccines? His argument seems to be based more on drama than facts. Vaccination works in principle, but once you add in the extra shit going directly into your bloodstream, bypassing your body's natural defences I think most reasonable people would agree that the risks now outweigh the benefits. Whatever you think, the right for people to choose what goes in their bodies MUST be preserved at all costs.
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I love Penn, but how come he doesn't mention the thiomersal an the other additives in vaccines? His argument seems to be based more on drama than facts. Vaccination works in principle, but once you add in the extra shit going directly into your bloodstream, bypassing your body's natural defences I think most reasonable people would agree that the risks now outweigh the benefits. Whatever you think, the right for people to choose what goes in their bodies MUST be preserved at all costs.
source1zero 1 day ago
I love Penn, but how come he doesn't mention the thiomersal an the other additives in vaccines? His argument seems to be based more on drama than facts. Vaccination works in principle, but once you add in the extra shit going directly into your bloodstream, bypassing your body's natural defences I think most reasonable people would agree that the risks now outweigh the benefits. Whatever you think, the right for people to choose what goes in their bodies MUST be preserved at all costs.
source1zero 1 day ago
Nevermind the Tuskegee Experiments. HA! That could NEVER happen again.
scottleeBCT 2 days ago
One of the major problems in taking for granted the practice of vaccination as the reason for the massive decline in infectious disease, is that there was a massive decline in these diseases beginning decades before any vaccine was ever introduced to the populous. In many cases you have a 90% decline of these infectious diseases before the vaccine was even implemented. I have a hard time accepting the notion that I am a conspiracy theorist for pointing out this simple fact.
PattyGilMo 3 days ago
@PattyGilMo Your source?
azbed129 12 hours ago
This was hilarious. Alex Jones from infowars, who I respect, thinks the vaccines today have mercury in them and are poinoning us. Just like flouride in the water. I'm skeptical but I think that would be something to look into.
jneil2007 3 days ago
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Within the next 40 years, vaccination will be looked upon as a deranged practice. The same way we now look at those who tried to treat disease with mercury and frontal lobotomies.
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PattyGilMo 4 days ago
They are good entertainers, and make plenty of money doing it. Sadly a lot of people can't and won't do the research and leave it to these clowns to tell them how it is.
jonwolken 4 days ago
I agree with Penn on a lot of things, but this was just plain ignorant.
NIMHFS 6 days ago
@NIMHFS Being educated is plain ignorant? Talk about stupidity.
robotizm 5 days ago
@robotizm Absolutely amazing. Truly.
NIMHFS 5 days ago
We Watched this in Science class....
TheBanana4brains 6 days ago 3
Whoops, too much "caps lock", lol
InevitableDecline 1 week ago
The issue isn't the VACCINATIONS, it's the lethal or toxic ADULTERANTS that are PUT INTO the vaccinations.
I'm FOR the SCIENCE of VACCINATIONS, but they NEED TO BE MADE SAFELY AND CORRECTLY.
MERCURY is NOT a SAFE preservative, BUT IT'S BEING PUT INTO VACCINATIONS.
THINK ABOUT IT: THEY EVACUATE AN ENTIRE SCHOOL IF A KID DROPS A MERCURY THERMOMETER, BUT DON'T BLINK AN EYE BEFORE INJECTING MERCURY INTO INFANTS AND CHILDREN!
WHAT THE FUCK?!
InevitableDecline 1 week ago
@InevitableDecline they evacuate cities because of radiation!but dont blink an eye before putting radioactive matter into fire alarms!!!!!!
WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!??!!
DIVAD291 1 week ago
@DIVAD291 You DO realize that, unless you actually remove and SWALLOW the Americium-241 in fire alarms, you are posed a greater threat by your garbage disposal sucking you in by your necktie. Right?
TheImposer 2 days ago
@TheImposer you DO realize that i was making fun of inevitableDecline.right?
i was just making a paralel between...ohhh your a troll...i just realised that...i hate feeding the trolls but im still gonna post this.
DIVAD291 2 days ago
@DIVAD291 Whoops, sorry 'bout that. Didn't catch that bit of internet sarcasm. :S
TheImposer 2 hours ago
@InevitableDecline The amount of mercury in one shot of vaccine is less than what you get from eating sushi.
isakoqv 21 hours ago
JUST TAKE THE FUCKNG MERCURY AND FORMALDAHYDE OUT. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK?
mule1969 1 week ago
your actually wrong on this one penn
blackheartsbirth 1 week ago
@blackheartsbirth Simply saying "You are wrong" doesn't mean anything. What is he wrong about?
CoolhaProductions 1 week ago
@CoolhaProductions Type in flu vaccine causes epidemic and do some research, he's wrong, autism is the only thing made worse by vaccines
blackheartsbirth 1 week ago
@blackheartsbirth I mean isn't the only thing made worse, lol
blackheartsbirth 1 week ago
First of all they're are viruses not diseases... morons
HaskelCausey 1 week ago
@HaskelCausey I....uh.... I don't even want to try anymore.
thefistheserpent 1 week ago
@HaskelCausey any virus, bacteria, or other organism that causes illness in the human body that is taken in from a foreign source ( basically your not born with it) is considered an "Infectious Disease. theyre diseases bud.
grungemonster93 1 week ago
they are right. The whole autism controversy started with 1 research, which turned out to be fraudulent. The findings have since then never been repeated.
23magicme 1 week ago
Vaccinations are THE MOST IMPORTANT advancement in medical science and public health so far throughout all of history.
People who are scared of vaccines and who are ANTI-VACCINE are absolute morons.
oOexarkunOo 1 week ago 13
@oOexarkunOo THE most important might be a stretch, certainly they helped a lot in the past. But just like anything there are good and bad ones, and nowadays there's a lot of money involved. Doing you're research is important, because not necessarily all of them are good for you. And some people are anti only because they follow the "natural" route, which isn't bad, just another way.
SakuraSaku013 1 week ago
These two people are among the most stupid in Hollywood. Who would ever listen to them?
tboyd1542 2 weeks ago
Whatever.
tboyd1542 2 weeks ago
seriously creepy and certainly not worth reasoning with...they are just too far down the rabbit hole!
gndrand 2 weeks ago
What Penn and Teller fail to mention is the evolution of the human immune system and how we built up defenses on our own, not due to vaccines. My Grandma's doctor made her get the flu vaccine and every time she got it, she got the flu and got seriously ill. Eventually due to her frail state she passed away. Why people would rather get meds injected into their bodies to be healthy rather than just being healthy and taking the natural route just blows my mind. Talk about sheeple.....geez.
SakuraSaku013 2 weeks ago
@SakuraSaku013 you don't know what you're talking about. First off - your grandmother is in a different group of people than young children. You really should read about diseases like Rubella, small pox and diptheria or pertussis. these diseases were killing thousands of people, especially young kids not even 150 years ago. natural immunity is important to build up but there are diseases that affect very young children and neonates who haven't yet developed natural immunity.
XerxesOmicron 1 week ago
@XerxesOmicron I do know actually...and my Grandmother was just a reference. I simple prefer the natural route. And giving vaccines, sometimes 9 vaccinations at a time, to young children whose body simply can't handle it, isn't the way to do it. Children have died from it, and there have been many adverse side effects. Now the pharmaceutical companies are encouraging mothers to vaccinate while pregnant, or vaccinate them young...it's just wrong...
SakuraSaku013 1 week ago
@SakuraSaku013 Where's your evidence? Show me evidence that vaccines have killed more young children than they have saved.
XerxesOmicron 1 week ago
@XerxesOmicron Besides, I'm talking about vaccines now. Vaccines 150 years ago were probably a whole lot more honest then they are now. They saved lives....but now a days... The Pharmacy companies are too much like a greedy corporation and are pushing this almost mandatory vaccine thing too hard for me to not be suspicious. Now a day a kid gets a vaccine and the next day they never talk again. Don't believe me, look it up. There are tons of families who faced this problem,
SakuraSaku013 1 week ago
@SakuraSaku013 There were NO vaccines 150 years ago. Please look up the history of vaccines and the history of modern medicine. I agree with you 100% that pharmaceutical companies are greedy corporations. But vaccines for the most common childhood illnesses have saved MILLIONS of lives since they were first developed. Let me give you an example - before the vaccine for H. Influenzae - so many neonates (newborn babies) were getting meningitis caused by this bacteria. Now - you rarely see it.
XerxesOmicron 1 week ago
@XerxesOmicron lol!! You're right there weren't, and I apologize. I was trying to reference your "Not even 150 years ago" and it came out wrong. I do agree with one thing, people should do research. Which I have been doing, sadly there seems to be just as much data for my side and for you side. But I would be happier in the end if people would just do actual research as to what they're giving their children instead of just assuming what doc says goes.
SakuraSaku013 1 week ago
@SakuraSaku013 It's okay :) I am a medical student and have studied immunology so I understand the basis for vaccination. I totally agree with you that people should do their research; there is a LOT more data supporting the need for vaccination for certain illnesses - ESPECIALLY hepatitis, meningitis, measles, rubella - these diseases can be very very bad to have - and you can spread them to others.
XerxesOmicron 1 week ago
@XerxesOmicron Well I honestly hope you're medical work goes well for you. I have several friends in that field who are disappointed in the financial focus (not being given enough time to finish research, tests, etc....) and things not getting done as safely as they should. I'm sure it depends on where you work, but there are good and bad just like in anything. Though it seems finding good doctors, etc... is harder nowadays.
SakuraSaku013 1 week ago
@XerxesOmicron I'm sorry if I seem biased, but I've had so many bad experiences in the medical field that is' kind of turned me off, and I tend to stick with more herbal ways anymore. Not that I'm "ANTI" anything here....I'm not anti-science or anti-tech.....it just seems harder and harder to trust things these days. So best of luck to you!
SakuraSaku013 1 week ago
@SakuraSaku013 Parents should take the time to understand why certain vaccines are really important. Now - it is definitely true that natural immunity obtained via breast milk is THE most important factor in keeping young children healthy and free of disease. But there are other situations - for example college kids needing a vaccine for meningitis - you don't get that in breast milk. Doctors are responsible for making healthy recommendations - certain vaccines are really important.
XerxesOmicron 1 week ago
@XerxesOmicron The trouble with today is I can't go into town without seeing "vaccination" marketing signs everywhere. I've listened to the interviews of the families who children were adversely effected by the vaccinations because the doc gave a 3 year old 9 shots in one visit. And the mother who didn't want to get her 3 year old vaccinated, so the doc called the police and child services on her. Now in Cal. they can do it in school without telling the parents.
SakuraSaku013 1 week ago
@SakuraSaku013 Not to mention for all the meningitis we don't get, we seem to have plenty of cancer to fill the gap. I wont argue anymore though, it's my personal feelings and like I said if people would do the research at least it would be something. It just frustrates me when people look at things as "no that can never happen" instead of "ok, I don't necessarily agree but I'll keep it in mind" -.-'.....that's just me though..lol
SakuraSaku013 1 week ago
@SakuraSaku013 Like what Xerxes said, what you missed is the fact that a vaccine is quite literally a dead virus. It's injected into the human body to give the white blood cells an idea of how to deal with a live virus, which is much more destructive. Your grandmother became ill every time she got the vaccine because it was quite literally the flu itself. And please don't say something stupid like "it's so dumb to put a virus in the system on purpose". It won't kill you, but live viruses will.
TheIntelife 1 week ago
@TheIntelife I wouldn't say something so stupid. I know what a vaccine is, and I'm aware that she got sick because she was quite literally, being given the flu. But the pharmaceutical companies are making so much money of this, and anymore money is what it's all about. There are enough bad side effects out there, and I certainly don't put any trust in the pharmaceutical companies. Especially when the issue is all over the news, and parents have legit concerns....
SakuraSaku013 1 week ago
@SakuraSaku013 The flu vaccine is a bit controversial, I agree. Maybe not everybody (especially elderly) should be getting flu vaccines. However, vaccines for N.meningitis (which can cause meningitis in young adults and basically KILL them), Hepatitis A, B (which can give you SERIOUS liver disease and eventually cause liver cancer) are absolute MUSTS. Look - please read about Meningitis, Diptheria, Hepatitis and TELL me that vaccines aren't necessary. KNOW what you're talking about.
XerxesOmicron 1 week ago
@SakuraSaku013 Just don't be confusing the complex immoral obscenities with the value of vaccines. While it may be true that some vaccines are just money machines, that is a problem with the actions of the corporation, and says nothing about the value of vaccines. Don't fall for absurd conspiracy theories, but instead per vaccine do some research and understand why you should/shouldn't get it. It is the best we can do, and our children deserve it.
sehakoziel 1 week ago
@sehakoziel Ah but the problem here is the pharmaceuticals basically are corporations now a days. Don't get me wrong, I don't just go falling for conspiracies theories because they sound fun. I do it because I hear the stories and the support and they make sense to me. And yeah, you're right...IF people did research. And funny thing is you can find support for either side. But since I hate debating really...and people are now supposedly insulting my family.... I'll end it here :)
SakuraSaku013 1 week ago
@SakuraSaku013 why don't you tell me about the evolution of the human immune system since you're such an expert about it? Have you ever taken a course on immunology, or are you just magically enlightened?
XerxesOmicron 1 week ago
@XerxesOmicron Maybe I am magically enlightened :p
SakuraSaku013 1 week ago
pen teller you are so full of shit its amazing , alot of disease didnt exist before vaccination usatoday.com/news/health/2007-10-05-780181940_x.htm but they got a new vaccine for that too dont they you puss fu*cks
goombafreak 2 weeks ago
Does penn want Government imposed vaccinations?
therugburnz 2 weeks ago
Inane youtube arguments are infinitely entertaining.
nobutur 2 weeks ago 12
And what about the fact that vaccinated children compared to non vaccinated have: 400% more allergies, 240% more asthma, 428% more hay fever, 185% more neurodermatitis, 400-800% more ADHD, 2200% more ear infections, 3200% more sinusitis, and finally a whopping 19500% more autism
aabsc 2 weeks ago
@aabsc Source?
iasedu 2 weeks ago 2
P&T: How do you explain vaccinated children a proven to have a 19500% higher risk of autism? Is that not significant to you? And what about the fact they only prevent disease at most in 1.5% of people vaccinated? Your silly plexiglass wall suggests vaccines are almost 100% effective, when they are 1.5% effective (that's if you believe the manufacturer, which I don't).
aabsc 2 weeks ago
@aabsc Source?
iasedu 2 weeks ago 2
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I pleased this is finally cleared up. Well done Penn & Teller once again :). I'm very tired of people confused on the vaccination issue. I'm even more tired of the conspiracy theories applied to them. It is insanity.
sehakoziel 2 weeks ago
@sehakoziel What's really sad is that people just automatically assume that ALL conspiracy theories are bad and invented by crazy people in tin hats, instead of being open minded. That's the true insanity....
SakuraSaku013 1 week ago
@SakuraSaku013 I agree, but with some caution. For some reason people want to believe in these things, almost like they are religions. In neither case can we assume they have any or no truth value in them. Instead, on a case by case basis, we need to research and get to the bottom of all the claims. It would be unwise to choose any side of a theory without at least understanding it. I subscribe to a special magazine called Skeptic, you should try it I suspect you'd like it :).
sehakoziel 1 week ago
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sehakoziel 2 weeks ago
no your not an idiot hateful bitch yes idiot no
jsmith0433 2 weeks ago
Lol some fucked up comments. Foil hats clearly aren't protecting from those brain smelting rays...
TaleThatWasntRight 3 weeks ago
@TaleThatWasntRight I'm in total agreement with you...it's strange to see so many people afraid of science and technology using a computer. Evidently computers were invented by Jenny McCarthy or are made of some sort of natural Earth Magic.
I keep watching the comments for someone to claim that vaccines are an invention of the Reptilians, or that ther cured someone of AIDS and polio with orgainic tortillas and free-trade coffee grounds.
sonas76 2 weeks ago
@sonas76 It's not fear of science and technology....it's a lack of trust of the people behind it. Be a little open minded for crying out loud, just because we think outside the box makes us weirdos in tin hats? At least I don't run around with blinders on.
SakuraSaku013 1 week ago
@SakuraSaku013 I'm open minded, but not enough that my brain can fall off my head. Just reading the figures proves that vaccination saves lives and limbs. With all the proven stuff that the USA government and mega-companies have REALLY done, it's ridiculous for people to focus on the unproven.
EscuchaYcalla 1 week ago
@SakuraSaku013 The reason you can run around without blinders on is because you still have able limbs and you still have your eyesight. You should thank herd immunity for that, since rubella and polio are almost eradicated by sheeple who trusted the power of vaccinations. You reap the benefits of a fewer illnesses so your anti-scientific otaku ass can mock those who keep you healthy. Must be nice to have your disease-free cake and eat it too and still feel smug and superior.
sonas76 1 week ago
@sonas76 Right, cause that's the point I was making....thank you for the otaku insult by the way, though I'm pretty sure I actually do have a life. Nice try though...besides, just because diseases like polio and rubella are gone doesn't mean others didn't take their place. I'm also not anti-scientific.... I'm aware there are a lot of great scientific discoveries medical and non that have come about. I was simply insulted by your tin hat comment...defensive much?
SakuraSaku013 1 week ago
@SakuraSaku013 I fucked your dad.
skegpit 1 week ago
@skegpit just why....-.-' ........
SakuraSaku013 1 week ago
Privy council enquired into vaccination act of 1867 concluded that 97.5% of the people who died from smallpox were vaccinated for it. 1959 - 77.5% of paralytic polio victims had received 3 doses of IPV (injective polio vaccine) in Massachusetts.
cr0uchingtiger 3 weeks ago
holy shit! vaccinations defends against bins!!!
AwsomestKill 3 weeks ago
There was a small paradigm shift in the diagnosis of autism. During the early 90s "Asperger's syndrome", "autism" and "autism spectrum disorder" were considered three separate diagnoses -- but a better understanding of autism made more and more doctors categorize those three under one term "autism spectrum disorder", so the statistical increase one might see of autism, is just a change in the labeling and diagnosis. Increase of autism and increased vaccinations correlate for a very diff. reason!
iasedu 3 weeks ago
@iasedu Then why do vaccinated children have 19 500% more autism than unvaccinated children? And were's not talking about a 2-3% increase, it's a 19 500% increase, there can be little argument against that.
aabsc 2 weeks ago
@aabsc Source?
iasedu 2 weeks ago 5
WHICH IT FUCKIN DOESNT
LOL gotta love Penn
antikoerper256 3 weeks ago
Well his Libertarian buddies do not want kids to have to be vaccinated - which SPREAD illness and increases medical costs to society ===
rjpcambridge 3 weeks ago
I'm autistic and I agree with him! :)
GrainghisKhan12 4 weeks ago
They create diseases to scare us into vaccination. Is it reasonable to suggest that if there is a concern that science is being used to deliberately sicken and kill the peasants that we can then trust the the same scientific bodies to prove that they are not?
TheExpertCritique 4 weeks ago
@TheExpertCritique I also agree with you. They do this too with acne. Acne never existed untill the 20th century, I mean look at old painting of kings and stuff, all of them had perfect complexion. Now the acne products that supposedly cure acne cause it instead, so they can make money.
akaPierce 3 weeks ago
@TheExpertCritique this is the kind of rationale that is required. The medical industry is a profit driven industry and profit at any expense. Disease and medical problems are profitable. Just as crime, and the resulting increase in police force, look good in terms of job creation. War is profitable. If it's dark problem, you can make money out of it, if it's a remedy, no more wealth is created.
cr0uchingtiger 3 weeks ago
@cr0uchingtiger money is just a tool to corrupt the minions in the corporations. The real goal is power.The knights of malta run medicine. They want us dead, its that simple. But how to kill millions without us finding out? Make us all stupid from birth? Give us all viruses the day we're born?
TheExpertCritique 3 weeks ago
@TheExpertCritique yeah, we just have to be a little careful in case we swing too wildly in the other direction. I pendulum every day between "are they trying to kill us all and make us slaves?" and "maybe it's all ok" and there's infinite proof both ways. Very frustrating.
cr0uchingtiger 3 weeks ago
Penn & Teller are simply sellouts & liars, too bad
michael0156 1 month ago
There is conspiracy to deny the autism/vaccine link. Is all govt involved? No-just certain officials
Corporations bribe govt & others daily
BP used cocaine & prostitutes to circumvent regs
Abramoff, sports tickets & contributions for financial regs
Searle CEO Donald Rumsfeld used Reagan to get Arthur Hayes to be FDA head in 1981. He approved Aspartame after 10 years of tumor-related disapprovals
Corrupt CDC head Gerberding pushed Gardasil & other vax, now she leads Merck's Vaccine Division
michael0156 1 month ago
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TheChameleonClub 1 month ago
The argument a lot of people seem to have - though they may not realise it - is 'I would rather my child was dead than autistic'. That's terrible. And as they said, THERE IS NO FUCKING LINK BETWEEN MMR AND AUTISM
CloudOfBefuddlement 1 month ago
These two athiest twats are full of shit. Go ahead dumb ass you and your little silent buddy, go ahead and get your dose of poison in your viens, these two tools make me sick!
Allanlegacy43 1 month ago
@Allanlegacy43
You are a fucking dumbass.
soadpwnsyou 1 month ago
A sum up: More people die from the disease than the vaccinations.
RBKluuzGH 1 month ago
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@RBKluuzGH
"More people die from the disease than the vaccinations. "
World-wide, yes.
But in developed countries, most of these diseases are treatable and all of them carry a very low rate of fatality. On the other hand, the amount of infants who die because of an overdose of neurotoxins or other severe negative reactions caused by vaccinations is still unknown.
mitukats 1 month ago
@RBKluuzGH well 0 people die from the vaccinations so even if only 1 died that'd be more than 0.
rayhs1984 1 month ago
@rayhs1984 The Gardasil vaccine has already killed almost 100 girls and permanently injured over 10 000. Keep in mind the manufacturer themselves admit it is far less than 1% effective at preventing cervical cancer.
aabsc 2 weeks ago
I'm not against vaccinations. I'm against government telling me I must vaccinate my kids and when and how to do it. This is not healthy for a free society. These decisions should be made between parents and doctors. If left to the individual so many would choose vaccinations for their kids that the groups that wouldn't (Amish for example) would be cocooned by the vast majority. This should and would be a non issue if left to the individual. Government creates more resistance by using force imho
26whitesox 1 month ago
How on earth would a vaccine cause autism?
I can not even think of a remotely feasable mechanism.
conoba 1 month ago
@conoba
Brain swelling of an infant is a known symptom of negative reaction to a vaccine.
mitukats 1 month ago
@conoba Why don't you ask all those 12 and 13 years old girls in Texas who were forced to get a Gardasol vac against STD by the tool Rick Perry, why don't you ask them. Maybe if they couldget out of bed and actually walk they would tell you and the others would have to come back to life to tell you. I am so sick of ignorant people who think ethyl mercury and adjuvants that contain life viruses doesn't harm the human body. I bet this fat tool thinks 911 was exactly as the government said!
Allanlegacy43 1 month ago
@Allanlegacy43 9/11 happened exactly as our government told us it'd happened.
mapparu 1 month ago
One more sound bite, with accentuated, loud, foul language, for the unassuming, obviously in need of direction, uneducated, ostrich like approach of, lemming like response to, did you hear?, did you see?, hoping that someone else would, you don't need to look behind the curtain, just move along, ignore the real, induced pandemic, masses.
mrcabasa 1 month ago
DAMN, I got schooled
Axiodox 1 month ago
Idiots saying vaccines are dangerous have forgotten what it's like to have smallpox and other diseases around. Visit a 3rd world country where a few of these diseases still exist and then lets see if you still think the same way. Smallpox alone killed 300-500 MILLION people just this century, more than 6 times the number of people killed in World War 2.
Supraux 1 month ago
@Supraux You're blindly assuming vaccines work, which they are not proven to, at the very most they prevent disease in 1.5% of those vaccinated, and most that get the diseases had been vaccinated "against" them. What erradicated these diseases in developed countries is better hygene and nutrition and especially the sewer system. The proof is these diseased had already been almost entirely wiped out before vaccines were ever invented.
aabsc 2 weeks ago
the argument isnt that vaccinations in general cause autism. the argument is that giving newborn infants so many vaccines all at once that some experts say you would need to be a 200+lb man to absorb safely
timjitsu714 1 month ago
@timjitsu714 Who are these experts? what evidence do they provide that these vaccines require a "200+lb" man to absorb safely? Would they be absorbed safely in a 170lb man? what about a 175lb woman? Why not? What does "absorb safely" mean? why is it based on weight? Why is giving many vaccines at the same time different (and worse) than giving them at different times?
There are questions in this "debate", but they should be answered honestly, and scientifically, not with fear-mongering.
MisterDataJack 1 month ago
@MisterDataJack Because the amount of mercury in a vaccine would only be "safe" in a 500+ pound man. That's why vaccines cause a 19 500% increase in autism compared to unvaccinated children.
aabsc 2 weeks ago
@aabsc Again, you spout stats without any evidence whatsoever. These things you say are "proven" (a term never used in science) simply aren't. You are either lying, or repeating someone else's lies that you believe to be true.
The real truth, the truth backed by ALL the scientific evidence, is that vaccines, with or w/o mercury cause no lasting harm, diseases, of illnesses, and save hundred of millions of lives.
You need to do more research instead of just reading crank web sites.
MisterDataJack 2 weeks ago
@MisterDataJack The only evidence that ever supported what you claim is done and paid for by vaccine companies, are you really that gullible to think studies done by the manufacturer are more reliable than independent studies done by people that don't have a conflict of interest? People with such an extreme gullibility as yourself are rarer by the day, once all such gullible people have been killed by modern medicine, their conspiracy will fall like a deck of cards.
aabsc 2 weeks ago
@aabsc Your claims are entirely untrue. All studies, including many independent and govt sponsored, clearly indicate no harm is caused by vaccines. None. No study, independent, govt, or manufacturer has found any evidence that vaccines cause harm. None.
What you are doing is called lying. It has no place in adult conversations. Grow up, and get educated. You ideas are dangerous and stupid.
MisterDataJack 2 weeks ago
@MisterDataJack Your head is so far deep in the sand you must see China from there. Why don't you site some of these studies? I can't wait for people liek you to be wiped off this planet, the pain, suffering and deaths your gullibility and arrogance cause makes wars look like child play. I just the last 10 years, modern medicine killed more people than all wars in american history, or 784 000 deaths per year. You're running full speed to your own death anyway by relying on such quackery.
aabsc 2 weeks ago
@aabsc [citation needed]
Boredman567 2 weeks ago
@aabsc Thank you for talking sense! *thumbs up*
SakuraSaku013 2 weeks ago
@SakuraSaku013 At least there's a few of us who haven't had every last one of our brain cells destroyed by vaccines lol
aabsc 2 weeks ago
@MisterDataJack It's actually quite re assuring that you'll gladly let modern medicine take your life for profit, go get another vaccine and make sure to take all the prescriptions your doctor tells you to. That will rid the earth of you quite rapidly, and you'll stupidly think they care about you. Why do you think pharma companies repeatedly get the biggest criminal charges for committing mass murders and they get away with it with fines so they keep doing it, and you'll be one of their victims
aabsc 2 weeks ago
@aabsc what the fuck am I reading
Boredman567 2 weeks ago
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aabsc 2 weeks ago
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@MisterDataJack To prove you wrong beyond the shadow of a doubt, why do you think they have a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) that has paid billions to people injured by vaccines and to family members of those killed by vaccines? If your completely outrageous claim was even remotely true there would be no need for the VICP. Stop being so gullible (or lying for your financial gain if that's the case).
aabsc 2 weeks ago
@MisterDataJack BTW, how about you site me a study proving your outrageous claims, one that isn't paid for by the company selling the vaccine. Maybe once you realize no such science exists you'll realize what a fool you are. How do you explain a $10 000 prize for the first ti find evidence vaccines prevent disease is still unclaimed? Or a $100 000+ offer for a doctor to consume a weight calibrated dose of vaccine ingredients has also gone unclaimed for years? Stop believing all the marketing.
aabsc 2 weeks ago
I guess you guys forgot to mention vaccine deaths, SIDS and auto immune diseases. Why can't you sue vaccine manufacturers?
jasongbaird 1 month ago
@jasongbaird
Um, SIDS actually SIDS actually went down 40 percent even as vaccination rates went up. Also, the chances of dying of a vaccine is so rare that you have a greater risk of dying from the disease it's supposed to fight against.
TheAntiV 1 month ago 17
@jasongbaird You can sue them all day long. However, to win, you hafta have a case that's built on systematic evidence of wrongdoing. I'm thinking you'll have a hard time with that one, since there's simply no evidence of wrongdoing or that vaccines are as harmful as you claim.
My suggestion is, next time you're listening to your favorite conspiracy theorist, ask them to provide evidence. Then, do the due diligence on the evidence to see if it holds up itself.
resistnzisfutl 1 month ago 9
@resistnzisfutl In 2009 Baxter Pharmaceuticals was caught red-handed shipping out vaccines with live avian flu viruses to 18 countries.
aabsc 2 weeks ago
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@aabsc "In 2009 Baxter Pharmaceuticals was caught red-handed shipping out vaccines with live avian flu viruses to 18 countries."
What, that old lie is still circulating around? Hey, I hate big pharma just like everyone else, but there is no evidence of intentional wrongdoing in that situation. I like how you conspiracy theorists try to paint the situation as if they intentionally sent out the virus for some sort of devious master plan.
resistnzisfutl 2 weeks ago
In Europe, a cohort study of 467,450 Danish children found no association between TCVs and autism or autism spectrum disorders (ASDs), nor any dose-response relationship between thiomersal and ASDs that would be suggestive of toxic exposure. An ecological analysis that studied 956 Danish children diagnosed with autism likewise did not show an association between autism and thiomersal.
TheAntiV 1 month ago
A retrospective cohort study on 109,863 children in the United Kingdom found no association between TCVs and autism, but a possible increased risk for tics. Analysis in this study also showed a possible protective effect with respect to general developmental disorders, attention-deficit disorder, and otherwise unspecified developmental delay.
TheAntiV 1 month ago
Another UK study based on a prospective cohort of 13,617 children likewise found more associated benefits than risks from thiomersal exposure with respect to developmental disorders. Because the Danish and UK studies involved only diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTP) or diphtheria-tetanus (DT) vaccines, they are less relevant for the higher thiomersal exposure levels that occurred in the U.S.
TheAntiV 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78
Whose saying we can demonize the white race? No one. Not a single individuals says that. You're inventing this anti-white conspiracy in order to justify your own hostility towards Jews. There is no white genocide. Deal with it.
TheAntiV 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78
"that Goyim are slave races that exist only to serve the Jews."
Actually no Jews believe that. That's a myth spread by anti-semites like you to justify your own racism against Jews. do you even have proof that that's what Jews believe? Also, the supposed quote from the Talmud about Jesus is also fake as it was referring to the famous convert Onkelos.
TheAntiV 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78
Seriously where do you get this shit from? My actions? You don't even know me. And where in my speech have I demonstrated a pro-white genocide stance? I think you're having delusions. And where have Jews proven themselves to be universally racist or ethnocentric? Was it Jews who ran European imperialism during the 1800 and 1900s? Nope. That was European whites. I think you just hate Jews.
TheAntiV 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78 You recieve the flu shot every year? Well, this explains just about everything... Who told you or where did you read the flu shot is effective and/or safe? Or did you surmise this yourself? Every year the CDC claims the shot contained the incorrect strain. The flu shot still contains mercury laden thimerosal.
chiropractic47 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78
Funny. Where were you when blacks were being enslaved. Also, Whites are free. Unless they're being shackled up some where and being prevented from voting because of their the color of their skin you're pretty much speaking out of your ass.
TheAntiV 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78 It's wrong for anyone to wrongfully harm anyone...we're all on the same page here, right? Ok, we've moved on...now back to the original debate concerning this g-d aweful Penn and teller vid...Oye gavalt (said with hand to forehead).
chiropractic47 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78 Like a TV network trumping up its profits and ratings by hosting pharmaceutical commercials?
chiropractic47 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78 Ok you two, let's break hs up! LOL! This is both too funny and scary. LOL!
chiropractic47 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78 Ok now! This is going too far... LOL!
chiropractic47 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78 Have you tried a rabbi? LOL!
chiropractic47 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78 Ohh,,Wow!
chiropractic47 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78 Good g-d! I don't know what to say to you, except...get well soon?
chiropractic47 1 month ago
I'm betting Penn would have a field day with a vid of LookingGlass78's anti-jew contentions.
chiropractic47 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78 Ughh...dude, this is a lot more serious than I originally thought. Do you have clergy to tell your thoughts?
chiropractic47 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78
So please point to me where in the Torah or the Talmud where it explicitly talks about killing white people. I don't think Jewish culture is anti-white. I just think you're anti-Jewish. Freud would say you're projecting. So please point out the mass killings of whites by Jews.
TheAntiV 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78 By any chance are you in anyway related to Adolph Hitler?
chiropractic47 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78
Blowing the whistle doesn't mean shit unless you have evidence to back up your claims. You've yet to prove that such a genocide occurring despite the that most governments in the US and Europe are controlled predominately by white people. So let me get this strait: you're saying that 90% of white males agree with you? LOL!!! Talk about delusions of grandeur.
TheAntiV 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78 Yikes...please seek mental health counseling fella.
chiropractic47 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78 I'm a proud jewish doctor, so I won't spread messages falsely implicate jews as agents of white genocide...even 70 years after 6 million jews were murdered during the holocaust.
chiropractic47 1 month ago
@chiropractic47
I take back calling you an anti-semite.
TheAntiV 1 month ago
What a piece of crap of a pro-vax vid...no substance except Penn's declaratory statements without scientific evidence. It's simple, childhood vaccines are a crap-shoot. 1 out of 90 children become brain damaged and/or ill following vaccination. Go on, take your chances...not me, my four breast fed unvaccinated children are the smartest and heathiest on the block.
chiropractic47 1 month ago
@chiropractic47
Why do you always comment with the exact same ad-hominems are straw mans over and over again in a new comment box? It's clear that you're trying to avoid the fact that you've clearly lost and that I've royally owned you. 1 out of 90 children? According to who? Pulling numbers out of your ass again I see.
TheAntiV 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78
Sorry, but anti-racists don't spam every comment section or posting they come across like mindless tools. In fact the only reason why you spam like this is because you know that it's the only way people will notice those idiots like David Duke. You can't handle the fact that everyone knows how stupid and vehemently racist they are.
TheAntiV 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78
LOL!!! A Pro-white genocide agent?! Seriously that's some imagination you have there. It must be due to decades of inbreeding. I take it you ignored the part where I said I was white.
Also, what i really love is that everything you accuse anti-racists of doing you have sofar famous for. Like accusing Jews of being racists. You mean bigoted, deceptive, and unintelligent individuals voicing well known lies?
TheAntiV 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78 You Rock LookinGlass!
chiropractic47 1 month ago
@chiropractic47
Yeah, because sucking dick makes you sound so much more credentialed.
TheAntiV 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78
Let's just ignore the fact that virtually no well renowned historian agrees with you on that, but don't you find it inconsistent that you're denying something that you'd wouldn't mind if it actually happened in the first place?
So please list an institution or a human rights group that agrees with you on this supposedly global white genocide? There's a very good reason why there is not a single one and that's because such a genocide doesn't exist.
TheAntiV 1 month ago
@chiropractic47
Let me guess, you also think vaccines are part of a Joo conspiracy right?
TheAntiV 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78
You know I just love the denial of racists. It's so fascinating this extreme example of cognitive dissonance in action. So I suppose that denying the holocaust and claiming Jews control control everything isn't anti-semitic to you?
I also love how racists like you are trying to play the victim in such a pitiful manner. White genocide? I am white you insignificant inbred piece of dopshit.
TheAntiV 1 month ago
@LookingGlass78
And what do these anti-semitic racists have to do with vaccines? Or is it the fact that you can't help being a puppet?
TheAntiV 1 month ago
Ok Penn you dusche bag. What's causing 1 out of 90 children to become autistic following vaccination? Love to hear the Penn and Teller story on this...fuck yeah!
chiropractic47 1 month ago
@chiropractic47
According to the vast majority of scientists it's certainly not vaccines. But I'd love you to answer me this: since thermarisol use in vaccines have significant decreased in vaccines why is the autism rate still growing?
Also, what is it like having all this blood on your hands due to the fact that your advocations have lead to hundreds of children becoming deathly ill because their parents didn't vaccinate them?
TheAntiV 1 month ago
@TheAntiV Because aluminum, etc. is still in vaccines. It wasn't just mercury that killed and maimed millions of children, it's most of vaccine ingredients.
chiropractic47 1 month ago
@chiropractic47
Again there is no evidence that aluminum has caused such problems. Aluminium compounds are used as immunologic adjuvants to increase the effectiveness of many vaccines. The quantities of aluminium ingested in this way are much smaller than the quantities ingested from other sources such as infant formula. In some cases these compounds have been associated with redness, itching, and low-grade fever, but its use in vaccines has not been associated with serious adverse events.
TheAntiV 1 month ago
@TheAntiV So who is to say how much aluminum is toxic to one person versus the next? Dude, you self-cancelled your own post.
chiropractic47 1 month ago
@chiropractic47
They're called scientists shithead. Here's an abstract:
pediatrics(dot)aappublications(dot)org/content/123/1/e164
TheAntiV 1 month ago