Dangerous Music 2-Bus: How it Works and How to Use It

[rubentirado09]

how do you set up print? Aux?

[rubentirado09]

Where i'm confused is PRINT..??

[DangerousMusicAudio]

@rubentirado09 what might be confusing about it is that in the video, he renamed his paths. So what would have been "bus 1-2" in a standard protools i/o setup, has been renamed "print". So your stereo aux channel would take input from whatever line ins you use to record the mix, and then its output would be bus 1-2 (or any stereo pair you're not using). Then your Print track would have bus 1-2 as an input, and digital out as your output.

[ytropets]

Whats wrong with some vocal phrases, especialy the very first one, sounds like autotune went wrong!

[bradtwo]

It sounds amazing. I am curiuos on how i can put this to use for me. What sort of Audio interface set up do you recommend to use with this product. I'm guessing I'm going to need something with DB25 connectors.

[keepthefireburning]

So,i do the mix inbox first, and them i pass all the channel into the 2bus , can i do this passing throuh a patch bay withot losing quality ?

[DangerousMusicAudio]

@keepthefireburning you can use a patch bay without losing quality, that's how most people use it. You would do the mix in the 2-Bus the whole time. You split out your tracks so that they are all going through the 2-Bus and getting recorded back in, and then you mix with everything running.

[DangerousMusicAudio]

@DangerousMusicAudio there are lots of different good audio interfaces, it depends on what kind of system you are running on. I really like the Lynx Aurora. RME makes great stuff, apogee is good, it's all a matter of preference.

[keepthefireburning]

Hi,great video! I just brought the bus lt it comes to me in 2 week, so im a litlle confuse about conecting my equiptment ,i have a digidesing c24 two interfaces 192 avid and i have two avalon 747 sp which is the best way to conect them ,i really apreciate your help, sorry for my english im from venezuela ....

[DangerousMusicAudio]

@keepthefireburning hi, what you are going to do is hook up the outputs of your 192 to the inputs of the 2-Bus using dsub cables. Then you will take the outputs of your 2-Bus and plug them into a pair of line inputs on your 192. This is so you can record the summed mix back into your DAW. As far as the pres and control surface, those just get hooked up normally to your 192s, they won't really have much to do with the 2-Bus.

[videoeditors]

Headroom & Fader position points: I use trim plugin in PT to match most tracks to 0VU=-18dBFS. Sound quality point: Avid's white paper suggests that its digital summing ought to be more precise than most analogue. IMHO what is missing from digital is actual tape compression that absorbs peaks and saturation.

[MikaalSulaiman]

@DangerousMusicAudio is there a way to bypass the 2 Bus if i want to listen to the mix out of the box w/o having to unplug the 2 Bus?

[MikaalSulaiman]

@DangerousMusicAudio i was thinking about using the SSL X-Patch. How would i integrate the two (2BUS x SSL XPatch)

[DangerousMusicAudio]

@MikaalSulaiman well it depends on how many outputs you have on your interface. If you have more than 16 outputs you can use 1-16 for the 2Bus and the rest can be dedicated to the x-patch for hardware inserts.

[DangerousMusicAudio]

@MikaalSulaiman The 2-Bus has no bypass switch, but I'm not clear as to why you would need that? If you want to mix in the box you just have to change the outputs of you DAW and it will only run out of 1 pair of channels on the 2-Bus.

[kipblackshire]

How do I set up the Dangerous 2-Bus and Monitor St with the Digi 002? I'm trying to use the Remote but I don't get any sound from my speakers. I'm having issues with signal path from the Monitor St to the 2 Bus using the D cables..what do i do? I don't know how to get the signal path right.

[Ra66itBone]

@dangerousmusicaudio

hello, thank you for the great products & support. i have a question. i'm using 2 adda converters. a FF800( 8 analog outs) connected to another converter through ADAT. now i have 16 analog outs to my Dangerous 2bus. the problem is monitoring. i have a presonus central station. i'd usually start a mix with an ssl plugin or Glue on the mix bus. whats the best way to monitor and be able to use all my 16 outs, without sacrificing outs 1/2 for monitoring. thank you

[DangerousMusicAudio]

@Ra66itBone There are a couple of ways to do this. The best way is to get an additional two channel d/a converter and utilize one of your digital outputs on your RME to send the output of your print track through to the d/a and then to the central station. The easier, but less accurate way is to just plug the MON output of the 2Bus into the central station and monitor off of that, the only problem being that you can't hear the final step. Another great solution to all of this would be a D-Box ;)

[mtracy19]

I'm curious as to how you go about running 16 channel outputs from the D/A converter that ur using? Is it possible to do so daisy-chaining 2 digi 003 racks together? Is there a converter/interface out there w/ 16 channels out? How much of a difference does it make to sum 8 separate channels in analog v 16? Thanks

[DangerousMusicAudio]

@mtracy19 I don't believe it is possible to chain two 003s. What you can do is utilize the optical output of the 003 to gain some more digital outs, you would just need to buy an additional d/a converter that accepts optical. There are converters that have 16 outs, it just depends on what exactly you are looking for. There aren't many firewire interfaces that have 16 line outs. Summing with 16 channels is definitely better than 8. The more channels the better when it comes to summing.

[mtracy19]

@DangerousMusicAudio I'm looking to upgrade my entire setup to allow me 16 channels out to a Dangerous Music 2 Bus for summing during mixdown. It seems that will require a different/better interface (I have an M-Audio Fast Track Ultra) as well as an additional D/A A/D converter. I'd like the interface to have good pre-amps, sound quality and conversion. But like I said I also want 16 channels out, which may require buying a separate interface and separate D/A A/D converter...any suggestions?

[DangerousMusicAudio]

@mtracy19 I recommend looking into RME stuff. For what you are trying to do, I think that would get you the best quality without breaking the bank. You might have to buy a couple different pieces to achieve your full setup, but I think it would be worth it. Talk to your local gear dealer, I recommend Sweetwater.

[tyek59]

Very very good video and explanation. I have the d box as well running with an apogee Rosetta for output and a 16x ad. Convertor setup, my sound improved drastically with the analog summing the sounds all seemed to spread out much wider and much richer in depth thanks to the extra headroom all jokes aside I wish I had the to have had all 16 channels now, or would had layed it away until I did oh well it still sounds great also never skimp on your converters they make a world of difference in yo

[DangerousMusicAudio]

@tyek59 awesome, glad to hear you are enjoying it!

[lancelotdulacful]

...I just gotta ask this now.

I purchased the 2-bus .."use" it, I don't know if I use it right.

:: what's the deal with the 2 converters? A/D D/A ?

When using a RME Fireface400, do I need 2 of them??

Sorry, as you see you need to explain that to me.

I most definitely got something wrong..

THANKS!

[DangerousMusicAudio]

@lancelotdulacful If you have a Fireface400 you shouldn't need to buy anything else, it has both A/D and D/A converters built in. Watch our video on D-Box integration- it shows how to setup your system when using a 003, which has similar features as the 400. Just know while watching is that it is going to be slightly different because the 2-Bus doesn't have some of the features that the D-Box has.

[marcobucci]

I, for one, would like to hear an A/B of a mix summed totally in the box, vs the same mix summed through the 2bus!

[DangerousMusicAudio]

@marcobucci farmelo[DOT]com/blog/?p=37

Go to this link, but replace the [DOT] with an actual period. In this example, he is using a D-Box, which only has 8 channels of summing, so with the 2-Bus, which has 16, there would be even more of a noticeable difference.

[marcobucci]

@DangerousMusicAudio Great, thank you!

[skittb89]

dumb question maybe (i'm totally new to analog summing) but what kind of DA converters & audio interface would you recommend to connect this to your PC?

[DangerousMusicAudio]

@skittb89 That is completely a matter of preference. Obviously some people like certain converters and interfaces better than others, but really any of them will work well with the 2-Bus. I personally like Lynx converters a lot. I am also hearing good things about the new Avid HD i/o, but haven't use it myself yet.

[TheSoyuken]

could u plz tell me what daw/interface u use?? any suggestions about ad/da converters??

[DangerousMusicAudio]

@TheSoyuken in this video we are using protools with Lynx Aurora ad/da converters. Personally, that is my setup of choice, but there are plenty of good converters out there. It all depends on what you want to spend.

[TheSoyuken]

@DangerousMusicAudio thank you,great videos!! : )

[gutterrecords]

should the dbox have same results as 2buss an lt ? 

[DangerousMusicAudio]

@gutterrecords yes the summing section of a D-Box is identical to a 2-Bus

[gutterrecords]

good videos and sounds like a good idea but my question is after separating all the groubs isnt it just geting sqaushed back together when you print back to 2 track in your daw ?

[DangerousMusicAudio]

@gutterrecords It is being summed back together in an analog piece of gear, instead of inside the computer, which makes a huge difference.

[gutterrecords]

@DangerousMusicAudio thanks for responding, so you get more head room with this hardware but what about when recording back into the daw aint you going to have to loose some head room? you no protools loves to hit red. i think im going to get a dbox

[DangerousMusicAudio]

@gutterrecords yes you get more headroom in the 2-Bus. It is true that you are limited by the headroom of the converter on the way back into the daw, but this will have no effect on the sound of your mix so long as you don't print too hot. In other words, whatever benefits you have obtained from summing outside of the box are maintained so long as you don't smash the converter on the way back in, which is true for any method of mixing.