How to melt up scrap gold and make two wedding rings - By Mobeus Jewellers

[leegenix]

I like the music. Is is smooth jazz or porn?

Just kidding. I love it as much as the video.

[wayne290]

Use two torches. Faster.

[Elastane]

"hmmmmm, you know what this gold needs? a marshmallow" @ 1:11

[WTFp0s]

I can do that w/ just MAPPP gas ya pussy

[UltimateTrollFace]

But how do I get the equipment to actually DO this?

[dubphat]

nice equipment 

[mounlasy]

How pure was the gold?

[PrinceZerker]

a family member of mine has mined his own gold in his backyard literally he has about 43 grams total of pure gold. he wants to make that into a 14kt gold ring or two. and he want's to do it his self, are there any tips u can give he just want's simple band rings. he needs to know how to mix it down to 14kt as well so any tips on the alloys and mixing process?

[m0n5t3r8ac0n]

your a fucking boss. took scrap and forged it into 2 great rings. good job :)

[MrMoaz12341]

hi!! i have platinum ring pt900/pd100. is that good alloye? or pt950 is better?

[8mobeus8]

@MrMoaz12341 PT950 is a higher purity thats all it means.

[MrMoaz12341]

@8mobeus8 thats mean my ring is not good?!

[westeh]

This music is great !

[8mobeus8]

@westeh Cheers ;-}



[cincinatus90]

Did you use a 56 pivnel or 38 bikmaw for the design? Also, was the gold first entrenched and basted, or did use use a simple plawd?

[oconano]

Do you ever encounter such a beautiful gold item that you can't bring yourself to melt it down?

[gingerbread185]

2:31 i thought it was the end of your show

[nolanjuice84]

I WISH MY WHOLE BODY TO PLATED IN GOLD

[ZdenekJindra]

@nolanjuice84 You clearly don't know fairy tales much. :)))

[fabioeoch]

@pogpogcasino

Oh boy, you just won the world prize on alchemy.

[jjohnson20102011]

wouldnt it have been easier to put the smelted gold into ring molds in the first place???????

[8mobeus8]

@jjohnson20102011 No not really there are too many sizes and shapes of rings to have countless molds, much easier to melt into a block and roll it out however needed.

[sellgoldanddiamonds]

Sell gold to hot chicks! view Sell Gold & Diamonds .CO

[silver760]

Nice job,though I did notice a certain amount of cracking where the gold had been rolled into a ring there was also small inclusions and gas pockets in the material.What were the scrap items that were melted?one looked like a coin but the other item looked like some either thin gold or foil,was the scrap 18K?The lower the K the harder and less ductile the "gold" will be.Before being rolled did you anneal the gold?It's likely you did but you still had cracking.They turned out well in the end.

[8mobeus8]

@silver760 Yes cracking nearly always occurs you just keep melting the little cracks back in when annealing that usually works ;-}

[Fivetoone215]

Do you save all the gold shavings coming off the ring?

[8mobeus8]

Everything is saved and refined no waste in a goldsmiths workshop ;-}

[CaliforniaXlivin]

@8mobeus8 where can people buy just like a gold bar? i wanted to buy one now because i have some money saved up, i wanted to get a bar so i can make my girls ring when the time comes and because i trust gold over a dollar lol.

awesome video dude. Is this something a noob can just try doing? i have zero experience in making anything like this and i really wanna make my girls ring myself. Its as easy as remelting it and starting over if i mess up rite?

thanks.

[wilsmanpeterexcess]

Nice job. Most of us don't have a cnc mill lathe though.

[8mobeus8]

After twenty years of working without one I thought investing in one was a good idea, very time consuming to program though so pros and cons like most things in life I think ;-}

[UnReAlLoBbYz]

lil big huh

[randyfromm]

@UnReAlLoBbYz Big, yes. I'm thinking "gay wedding" of two men. Yes?

[me68206]

@randyfromm The insides of both rings were engraved with the names "John" and "Dianne."

[8mobeus8]

@me68206 Well spotted yes they were made for a man and a woman ;-}

[32937isready]

Wrong air and gas mix. Taking way too long.

[8mobeus8]

@32937isready Yes a hotter flame would have melted it quicker but a slower melting time is better for the video, and we use soldering torches for everyday work which have small nozzles.

[XjhonnieX]

nice engineering

[banerjee53]

what is colour of 9k? the ring you show, I think it not true colour of 9k gold

[8mobeus8]

9ct is only 375 parts to a 1000 gold so the other 625 parts can effect the colour massively.

[8mobeus8]

all the borax cools on the surface and is removed in an acid bath.

[abzosairis]

i see borax helps lowers the melting point of gold, but one question. What will happen to the substance of borax will it mix with the gold? Do it affect its purity? Well like adding a powdered borax to melting gold will it simply vanish along the process?

[kebacor]

does borax remove impurities from gold

[8mobeus8]

@kebacor no not at all it just facilitates the melting

[Dailybabble]

@8mobeus8 Hey I'm thinking chains, know how to make them? One looks like spiral and the other is just regular chains.

[zeldasonicfan]

@8mobeus8 I thought the borax was used to prevent the purity of the metal from dropping?

[MrGmanFreeman]

whats that white ball you put in it every now and then for??

[8mobeus8]

@MrGmanFreeman Borax flux also comes as powder but I prefer the block..

[realKingJay]

can i melt it with home equipment?

[IWOP1]

awesome, I wish I had that much gold to melt. Got a question...what does fools gold look and smell like when you melt it?

[8mobeus8]

@IWOP1 fools gold is not gold so I wouldnt know what it melts or smells like?

[criticaboutvids]

@IWOP1 Fools gold is a rock, It's iron-pirate and doesn't really look like gold.

[IWOP1]

@criticaboutvids --So why are so many people fooled by it? lol

[13FTW13]

nice job



[kevinng100]

i remember the old days when it was done all by hand

[8mobeus8]

@kevinng100 times change and we have to move with them embrace new technologies and still use them to be creative ;-}

[gplating]

@8mobeus8 i do it by hand and it isnt that much work I can do by hand what you do with the machine however it takes some time, the machine looks really helpful and precise, i called a company that makes them in AZ and they sell it for $18k, how much u paid for yours and where did u buy it?

[8mobeus8]

@gplating the machine itself is about £7000 in the uk, there are different software packages which can add a lot to the final price so it depends how far you want to go with it? I will say though the machine and software is very time consuming to reach its full potential, its not a hobby machine thats for for sure I employ someone full-time to run it.. Gravograph was the company I purchased from.

[chuckbyf1]

So, the engraving is done by computer now? What happened to old world craftsmanship?

[8mobeus8]

@chuckbyf1 hand engraving is a dying trade, I am a goldsmith not an engraver so I use a machine as do most jewellers, successive governments have chosen to not support engraving / watch repairs / gold and silver smiths etc... they are not recognized apprenticeships so therefore get no help in taking on young people... if you want to be a plumber or electrician or bricky... all paid for and supported learning courses... minority highly skilled trades are obviously not something worth investment ?

[9DragonMaster]

lemme pan the dust =)

[sweettooth80]

nice rings :)

[massivemak]

nice :)

[omglmao12345]

so that ball looking thing is to suck out all the other metals in the gold to make it more pure?

[8mobeus8]

@omglmao12345... No its Borax flux used to facilitate the melting process, without it the metal doesnt melt smoothly.

[rskern]

What is the name of the device that you're holding and melting the gold in?

[8mobeus8]

@rskern its a crucible with attached tongs.. and an ingot mold to pour it into.

[5k3ll3t0n45h]

~Nice set up & tools, sure beats casting & hand tooling. [although that is fun sometimes] :P

[express375]

the first melt looked like a fail? where's take two ;)

[8mobeus8]

Yes well spotted, it can sometimes take 2 or 3 pours to get the ingot right, but as the melt up footage looks better when all the original pieces are being melted we stuck with that for the video, melting up an already melted block just doesnt look as good.

:-}

[express375]

@8mobeus8

just teasing,I've done exactly the same myself,bad melts and faked a video because I couldn't be bothered to go through the whole process again.

I faked pulling wire down,because I couldn't pull hard and hold the camera at the same time.

Great videos



[georgetti73]

Very well done presentation. How much does something like this cost? Minus all the detailing that went into it.

I have a lot of old gold that I don't use. My fiance and I are looking for rings and I like the idea of melting all that unused gold for our rings. I'm very particular about the color and karat of the gold (red 18K from peru) and I did grow up with it.

[8mobeus8]

@georgetti73

Hi... For a melt up and make a plain wedding ring we would charge approximately £150 for 1 ring or £250 to make a pair.

[vatgrown]

Nice work. Is the cutting and carving computerized? What's the machine?

I did like the music. I could chill to more of that, if you're published...

[kyahtjuana330]

very nice ! love it

[liquidfreedom88]

the gold dust keep rolls down *droolll*

how can u make the rectangle tip joined together perfectly? did u add another melted gold or somethin?

can i have 1 corned beef pie? nice vid *5 stars*

[8mobeus8]

Haha... the gold is joined using the same grade gold solder once filed and polished.. invisible... your supposed to pay me with pie.. haha

[phatboy1300]

hi what kind of tool is used to make diamond cuts in gold jewerly or silver jewerly is it a special bit that goes on a dremel ?? love the band smooth

[8mobeus8]

Not sure what you mean by diamond cuts..? Proper diamond cut is done by expensive machines that major manufactures have... something similar can be achieved using various bits that fit into a dremel and lots of patience and a steady hand but it will never look as good as a machined diamond cut unfortunately..!

[henrooo]

Nice Video, enjoyed watching.

But wouldn't it have been easier to cast the rings as supposed to rolling, machine cutting, hammering and filling?

The interior of the rings show it was really worked.

Anyway, great video, and good insight into the process you used.

[8mobeus8]

Hi, I dont have casting facilities and in my experience of trying basic versions of it you can have reasonable success with new gold but using old gold can cause lots of problems, and we would have had to make two molds for the different sizes in the rings which is more time consuming than melting and rolling one single piece. Using old gold usually does result in lines and cracks no matter which way you try it but as long as customers understand that, it is not a problem. Thanks. Mark

[henrooo]

Thanks for explaining, it makes more sense now.

[gxcope]

What type of torch did you use to melt it and how did you make that ingot mold?

Amazing video..5strs

[8mobeus8]

Hi, the torch was bought from BOC and is basically a mini welding torch suitable for oxygen and propane. The ingot mold is available to buy from jewellery tool manufacturers and can be bought in different sizes. :-)

[dumbhotguy]

nice looking rings, I could have done with just the rings, sans engraving.

[8mobeus8]

We do a lot of just melting up and making plain rings the engraving was a special request with the customers initials incorporated and a little diamond set in the centre. The hard part is stopping the gold cracking under the strain of being reworked.

[mikallang]

was curious about the white substance you kept dropping in the gold. could you please tell me what that was and what its for? thnx :)

[8mobeus8]

Its borax... flux that allows the metal to melt up... very needed.. :)

[ebony2700]

hey how much was the labor to create both of the rings?

[8mobeus8]

2 corned beef pies and a bottle of wine.. lol

[8mobeus8]

Hey TopGear... making a mold to pour into is not something we have the equipment for to do it correctly one day I hope to get a small casting machine.. until then we roll it out..:)

[TopGear6666]

Nice Job btw!!

[TopGear6666]

Why didn't you just make a mould for the rings?

[c0wcommander]

Out of curiosity, how much was that gold bar you melted at the start worth?

[8mobeus8]

The bar came from melting all the customers gold up and then we just made the rings.. there was approx 40grams of gold melted up... its worth is different depending on if its just the scrap value or the value of the finished rings. :)

[abbgtpogipkiupog]

That is suprisingly cool :)

[8mobeus8]

Thanks for the comment ~ Mr Golden Ozuro... its just practice practice practice :)

[Decoy8]

hey this video is very cool! what kind of torch are you using?

[8mobeus8]

Hey, I am using an oxygen/propane torch, it's a miniature welding torch.

[GoldenOzuro]

Wow ur real good men ;),

ill try hard to become so good as you are =D

[Newmicon]

Cool, very informative!!

[ProudTV]

what's the BP of gold?

[8mobeus8]

What do you mean by BP ?

[PivotWorlds]

Boiling point, but i meant melting point

[8mobeus8]

Melting point:

(1064.18 °C, 1947.52 °F)

Boiling point:

(2856 °C, 5173 °F)

hope this helps

[PivotWorlds]

Yeah, thanks :D

[8mobeus8]

Aha roughly 700 degrees for 9ct gold but you dont really take much notice of the temperature you just keep turning the torch up until it melts... :)

[TVAExtreme]

You were just lucky or was the part where u heated the ingot cut out?

Because if I dont heat that one up aswell the melted gold/silver wouldnt make it all the way to the bottom of the ingot.

[8mobeus8]

melt the gold and run it into the ingot mold as quick as you can and it should work you can heat the ingot mold up too which helps..

[PivotFactoryNC]

more interesting the sxe phil

[Randyspanky88]

Nice !!!

[GuitarHerokill]

WOAH!!!!!!!!

[sparklinsun]

Like a Redox reaction?

[8mobeus8]

Hi I will try to give a brief explanation for you. When the metal is soldered the propane in the flame oxidises onto the metal making it black then the rings are left in an acid bath which eats the oxidisation then they are highly polished with different polishing compounds on mops to get the high shine :-)

[CrustofCreation]

Thanks for posting this! I had a question about the color of the gold after it's welded into the rings though. Why does is look so dark at that point, and how do you get it to shine again? I only ask because it started out so shiny as a watch, then looked very dull, only to come out shiny again at the end. Thanks!