Some say they were the greatest band of all time. Their music has a power that cannot be easily described - the liner notes on one of the JD compilations come closest.
if you like joy division,you must see a film called "control" i saw it last week and i was moved on the 12th of december im off to the melkweg in amsterdam to see the bass player in concert
bono's official statement should be, "i will give head to any head of state / major political power, as long as i get a good picture with that person"
Love the way ian is so inhabited by the spirit of Jim Morrison in this performance. Funny i never realised that connection until the movie "Ian Curtiss". Obvious really. But then these guys were contemporaries of a band i was in. In the same neck of the woods. Thought they were great but too close to realise until they were gone. Thank Alf this one ain't got Bono in it.
@keithngc891 there is another version of this song on youtube but bono pops up in the middle of it and starts talking about joy division. it's really annoying and thats probably what the other comments are referring to.
We can DAAAAAAAAAAANCE..... if we wanna; we can leave your friends behind! Because your friends don't dance, and if they don't dance, then they're no friends of mine!
@YouPubeist That is retarded. I think if you watch October era U2 Bono was heavily influenced by Ian Curtis. Regardless of how big they have become they had similar beginnings.
@YouPubeist That is retarded. I think if you watch October era U2 Bono was heavily influenced by Ian Curtis. Regardless of how big they have become they had similar beginnings.
@KazakageoftheSand probably but he isnt really hating him dude ^^ he just mentioned that bono is a cunt, who wants to get everywhere in.. he's so fckin commercial and then he appears in this awesome video.. thats just annoying.. so gaara i hope i got u out of darkness :D:D
@THug0001 calling the man a cunt is indeed hating on him. i admit bono ruined the song.. but an interview with anyone would have ruined the song. talking of any kind would have. i like bono, in fact. i like u2. that's just me. and fuck you, i made this username 3+ years ago :P when i was like 13
that really is awful that Bono magically appears towards the end of this video - he's one of the last people i would ever want to associate with joy division - let alone most anything i like
And,the fact that I couldn't "prove" how I'm right would unfortunately have nothing to do with being unable to logically progress, but because your whole view on things in life ptobably wouldn't allow you to draw the inference needed to see how my premises are useful. It's funny how people mock others for using their mind in a particular way while they aren't as proficient at it. If I'm flexing intellectual muscle in an uncool way, you're flexing an inferiority complex covered in savvy rhetoric.
@SpringSessionZen, I'd disagree completely. Musically, I think it takes a strong mind to accept what they're doing, but I'm certain most weak, fragile minds could relate to his writings. Curtis evidently was willing to give up. You feel that in the sound (more so in Closer. but, still, in UP). His writings were that of a weak-minded person.
@SpringSessionZen,...Over analyze? I would have called that bare-minimal analysis, but, fine. Again, their music definitely as you would describe. But I would say Curtis was weak-minded (not that's bad, musically. it always seems to make for more effective music) and that his lyrics were highly pre-determined, preferred views that he was too weak to not want to believe. You just wrote what you felt? That could be said about everything. I'm still going to analyze it, regardless.
@SpringSessionZen, if someone says something I disagree with that was very emotionally-induced, that has no affect on whether or not it's accurate. It's still a statement I find inaccurate...What was the point of posting if you aren't willing to deal with someone who responds to you? If you just wanted to say something or express yourself, I did, too, just in response to what you wrote. boohoo?
@fralust, I think what I do through causation. Besides, what part of my writings was immodest? Or, are you, as a stupid person, predetermined to try to bring down anyone who comes across as thinking they know something--regardless if they do or not--because they don't know how they even could make more sense of it, and, so, therefore, HE must be the one in the wrong?
Or, does the fact that it was "emotional" mean he's immune from something? If so, I wasn't aware...
It's merely a pop music video, dear boy. No more no less.
"Intelligent" debate is always welcome in many spheres, even that of the ersatz Socratic dilettante stripe. You are a either a video game playing, failed philosophy student, or a jobless graduated one who, pontificating, loves nothing more than the sound of his own voice.
Again, allow me to remind you - this is a pop music video. Can you not bore others senseless on perhaps a Marx or Nietzsche forum...?
@fralust, anything that exists in reality is under "intelligent" debate (Idk what you mean by intelligent debate, since, if it's not intelligent, it must be some moron fest for no clear purpose). Your personality guesses are pretty good, but not right. I was a professional gamer who later fropped out of college ( business admin). If you're not going to approach something "intelligently", why approach it at all? If you're looking for very shallow emotional satisfaction, then don't go public.
Also, I'm clearly not boring you as you have interest in me/ something of mine. I had no idea people couldn't talk about the mundane with any sort of philosophical questioning. Forgive me for wanting to and being a step ahead. Also, you and I both know that JD's music is more meaningful than "pop" music. That was an outright self-lie to justify combatting a reasonable response to someone. But bitter, emotional responses are expected when you assert yourself smartly. Boo hoo. ;(
And, yes, I like this song. I like almost everything of JD's.
I don't find this particular one to have distinct meaning. Like a lot of the songs which came from their early stages, their understanding of music while conceiving them wasn't as refined as in later work. But, because punk was their inspiration, a lot of their songs were just their attempt at audio energy and vibe. Transmission is just an anthem for uncontemplated expressive behavior. It just to make you have fun, really.
Also, Zen not wanting to have to deal with future responses because of fear of them being negative speaks to his weak-mindedness. I'm not arrogant/ unreasonable. He's clearly just far at the other end of the spectrum; so, if you're merely comparing assertiveness and not actually considering what's said, it can easily seem like I'm a big ole meany. But I'm not. He's just...fragile. And if anyone has an emoticon featuring someone scrunching their nose, that would be fantastic.
You are not unintelligent, yet appear to have the immutable, garrulous trappings of youth in thinking you're more intelligent than you are. Hopefully you'll grow out of it, as supercilious bitchiness is never becoming.
You flex your intellectual muscle on YT (no mean feat!) which is akin to shooting fish in a barrel or being a pearl amongst pigshit. I know. Trust me.
Or you're a brightish guy who has no outlet so posts myriad comments..??
@fralust, you're using language to come across as being at a higher level of some sort, despite that being your only display of it. using "dear" in your addressing is simply you only superficially being "above" in some way. I don't see why it matters where you post comments and to what extent you analyse. I know others do, but that's no reason for me to stop. Because it seems uncool is only because the majority believing that are mentally lazy and think not thinking is desirable...be my guest...
Also, it's only relative if you're not an intuitive person. Subjectivity doesn't mean the reality is whatever you want to believe it to be; it just means it takes inference. People who think otherwise will never draw deep enough inferences. This goes for anything about which you can sense something of any kind. Music is no different.
You're obviously trying to combat explanation with superficial appeal. You know it. Your whole rhetoric-oriented responses make it plain. If you had anything meaningful to say, you would say it. People who avoid logical consideration always convince themselves they're doing things right because of how well they do in the world of human construct and always combat explanation with rhetoric. You're not doing anything differently; so, I'll just stick with your inferiority-complex..
Myriad full posts in a short space; your loquaciousness matches both your ego, self-righteousness and self doubt. It is noteworthy that you forever tell yourself (no less) of your "superiority." Self praise, dear boy, is no praise.
It's a terrible shame when relatively intelligent people are more preoccupied with being "right" than anything else, don't you find?
No-one is asking you to stop your blah blah on a pop video. No doubt you could do it on a cookery/DIY video!
@fralust, it's only loquacious if you don't find music important to human psychology and analysis. I find good qualities of music to serve different positive purposes, if you're simply not closed to taking things from it. To those who explore musical ideas, it's essentially discussing philosophy through some avenue of distortion, for the fun challenge. I don't have a superiority complex; most others just have some form of an inferiority complex. They don't explore anything.
"Also, it's only relative if you're not an intuitive person. Subjectivity doesn't mean the reality is whatever you want to believe it to be; it just means it takes inference."
Please google "private eye pseuds corner." It should be the 4th link down.
I'll sent your entry in and we'll split the prize! Whaddya say?!
How do you and I "know" that Joy Division's music is more meaningful than "pop" music."? Could be a big ruse...?
@fralust, Idk what to make of PEPC. If you're trying to give me an illustration of myself, I simply can't agree that I'm being pretentious. I don't even believe in the idea of people or things "deserving" things. It's always pointless non sequiturs or uncontemplated impulse. It could be a ruse. Technically, anything can be anything. But if you're not open to the idea that everything you can sense is information working towards understanding our ultimate purpose, you won't see the premise.
@fralust, have you ever played a game? Have you ever read your opponent and knew what his decisions meant? It's the same process adapted to human psychology-and-sounds. Why do you infer things about my personality? Because you think you have information regarding it. You're not right. But, you're doing the process you're meant to.
Also, i don't know how to respond to yours on my analysis of this song. Clarify and I'll be able to.
Here you are again, using simply rhetoric. It's funny how dumb people think they're getting around questions by trying to turn the tables in a different way. It's not working, brah. You're clearly working hard to not have to at all.
Neo-nazis? I don't think much of them, honestly. I don't see them having any potential to grow into something remotely significant. As smart as they could be, everyone views Nazi Germany as the worst thing ever. There is no avenue to relevence now.
@fralust, also, I'm glad the real you came out. You're not a savvy person as you were trying to convey. You're just a dumb person who's bitter towards people who claim to know something you've been too cowardly and stupid to figure out. Again, cry me a river. You're the kind of person who lets himself get trampled. You're weak. That's why you wanted to stand by Zen earlier on. Just a weak, coward, low-level person who doesn't know how to figure anything out. ;(
Who or what the fuck is Zen? You're not going Buddhist on me, are you?
Anyway, never mind all the ranting, angry insults. Cast aside your rage and accept my friend invite. I have a genuine proposition you're certain to find interesting. If not, simply remove the friend status and I will not offer it again.
Whaddya say? Won't hurt to try. I assure you I'm perfectly serious.
@fralust, I've been rather unemotional since you came onto me. If anyone has shown raging fits, your last set of posts to me are what will fit. Also, I prefer having people who are dumber than me be my enemies in the online world. If YOU are genuinely interested in e-friending me, you need to crank up your leverage quite a bit. I know you're serious. Weak-minded people always want to ignore things and just be friends. I do them favors by putting my foot on their throat, instead.
You consider me your enemy?! Remarkable! All I did (in a genial fashion) was highlight your floral prose, garrulousness, and self appointed intellectual status.
In fact, the latter aspect cries uncertainty re your intellect as you are forever harping on unsolicited about it. Like some chest pounding ape who then gobbles up his own waste in a show of bravado. And who/what is Zen?
I will address your grievance re being up to your standards in a later post. I'm very nervous.
@fralust, you're clearly my enemy. You're trying to break my back because you're a stupid little person who has nothing but reason to be modest and bitter. Self-appointed intellectual status? What are you talking about? Another thing you're making up. But, based on this conversation, I have, yes, been a bit more intellectuall-oriented. You've been going strictly on social-inferences. That's what one-dimensional people do. Also, I've not been inclined to "beat my chest". I've been emotionless.
I am not your "enemy", but merely trying to imbibe a smattering of humility and a sense of humor in you. It appears I'm failing.
You say I'm "trying to back your back." Naaah, I'm just busting your chops, and if I wanted to break your back, I would've done it a while ago. I'm being nice to you right now.
I have taken nothing you've said to me personally and trust you have also. How about you and I bury the hatchet and you hear me out.
@fralust, I don't even regard humility/ arrogance. They're both extraneous to my ultimate concerns. But, if you're going to try to get me to show a sense of humor, you'll have to do it in a much more clever way. You're playing ABC social interaction. It's generic, predictable, and transparent. Not interesting at all. Also, you were trying to break my back. Don't lie. You were really eager to break me down. Right now you've learned your ways can't do anything to me. That's the difference.
@fralust, also "Love will tear us apart" is clearly a minority in their catalog. If you can't come to see that, I don't know why you're interested in Joy Division in the first place. The vast majority of their songs weren't concieved as being pop songs, no matter how well they might have worked as one. Generally, pop songs are songs which seem exciting(on a dumb level), but have minimal emotional attachment to artist. Two properties indicating why they weren't designed as "pop" music.
@Sudoku68, Oh stop being such a pompous ass. I will not deign to argue with you re the merits of one song compared with another. Are you in high school? And you wonder why I call you my boy?
If Joy Division are not pop music, then what the Devil are they? Did they cure cancer, poverty and racism while I was taking a shower?
@fralust, pompous ass? No. I'm just not going to say I'm wrong when it's clearly not the case. Cry me a river for not knowing how to think on an easy level.
What is it? As a whole, JD is simply good punk ( as opposed to post-punk). It's quite different from "pop" music. Because if you listen to Curtis and listen to their arrangements, they're clearly usually trying to make vivid, soulful music. It's easy to see how it's not designed to be pop music. You can figure it out. Stop being a coward.
There you go again with your little collection of boxes, you silly tart. "Post punk, pre punk, ad hoc punk, existential punk, blah, blah, blah.
You claim JD are NOT "pop music", but are in fact "good punk."
Well, is punk (good or bad?) in fact not a genre of popular music? Or is it sculpture? Or brass rubbing?
It sounds as if you were still sloshing around in your ol' man's ball bag when punk first hit the scene. But now you're a self appointed expert on it.
@fralust, "Pop" music is generally meant to mean what's on the most mainstream radio stations. (ie the stations whose only concer is making money). I suppose punk is popular, but its consumer group isn't "mainstream". I don't claim to be an "expert", I'm just someone who knows a lot about the creative, psychological, and logistic areas of music. I don't see why I shouldn't think so when everyone else seems to not catch as much as I do.
So. It's established that punk IS a branch of pop (popular) music, and not some namelless entity beyond its borders. To get here, a full 180 was necessary, You waffled, bucked and pontificated (well, you still do!), but we did it! Well done!
But you're still digging your well worn heels in with extraordinary - and rather amusing - statements like: "I'm just someone who knows a lot." Priceless
All you need is a red nose and a flower that squirts water.
@fralust, ? I still contend punk is not "pop" music. it's a popular kind of music, but not "pop" I told you punk is not pop, because of its consumer group. Where does this enthusiasm come from? I'm not digging my heals. I'm just giving you my reason for not being modest on this particular issue. I love how people judge ability through personality inference...As if that even made sense. I'm not modest. And? What? All talented people are also modest in their area? Pfft.
Muhammad Ali was immodest, but boy did he have some talent and charisma! Regardless of whether you're a boxing fan, this is undeniable. Me? Neither modest or immodest. Merely "me." Besides, singing one's praises isn't my thing, particularly on such a simple topic as pop music. No different to food - some you like, some you don't. Just personal taste.
I'm only acting the goat. Trust me and hear me out. Your talent and immodesty (not without foundation!) will be a boon.
@fralust. Food is not comparable to music. Food preference is based off inherent, uncontrolled natural senses. Music preference can have (if you're actually smart) more dimension to it than however you naturall are. It's for the same reason some people are just better at life than others. They know to be different, expand, and take on more facets. It's the typical process of any willed evolution. I don't prefer a lot of music which is good. But my preference is different than what
We love Transmission and Joy Division
1914sVideo 1 week ago
the drummer............ O_O
KurtyCobaiNIRVANA 1 week ago
Some say they were the greatest band of all time. Their music has a power that cannot be easily described - the liner notes on one of the JD compilations come closest.
purpleraven888 1 month ago
i love how ian gets angry at the end of almost any of his songs :)
masterofchaosjulio 1 month ago
Damn.
lawyer231 1 month ago
A real drum machine guy
skatermdq 2 months ago
bono slut! get th fuck out here
aynotdeadinbsas 2 months ago
What did Bono do o.o ?
UberPwnage56 2 months ago
@UberPwnage56 In another joy division's transmission video, he came in the middle of the song and started to talk
ThePhilosopher1996 2 months ago
DAT HI-HAT
Boxcons 2 months ago
awesome
zetechats 2 months ago
That drummer is a champion...
Juanpablo8559 3 months ago 6
sounds alot like interpol!!
NineInchNails25 3 months ago
@NineInchNails25 JD were a huge influence on Interpol
LolitaDeathMoon 2 months ago
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if you like joy division,you must see a film called "control" i saw it last week and i was moved on the 12th of december im off to the melkweg in amsterdam to see the bass player in concert
jonnyenglish1973 3 months ago
No Bono!
svagana 3 months ago
No Bono! \õ
Lucas0live1ra 3 months ago
Agree- fucking amazing :)
sitaindiechick 3 months ago
Utterly fucking amazing.
MadMan731 3 months ago
bono's official statement should be, "i will give head to any head of state / major political power, as long as i get a good picture with that person"
Jarmaggeddon 5 months ago
gwannn!
fajitaheater 5 months ago
stephen morris is an ace drummer
fajitaheater 5 months ago 7
32 years later, and it is still the best music I have ever listened to.
19618024 5 months ago 3
Love the way ian is so inhabited by the spirit of Jim Morrison in this performance. Funny i never realised that connection until the movie "Ian Curtiss". Obvious really. But then these guys were contemporaries of a band i was in. In the same neck of the woods. Thought they were great but too close to realise until they were gone. Thank Alf this one ain't got Bono in it.
taweakame 6 months ago 3
@taweakame what movie are you talking about?
Midnightpitbull2 5 months ago
Pardon shadowplay cover by the killers is on there lol
RyuUchiha17 6 months ago
buy "Control".this performance and i believe shadowplay as well in on there by the killers.Movie is amazing.
RyuUchiha17 6 months ago
no bono, aaaawww yeeeaaah
berserk2012xxx 6 months ago
i cant see it all ..........cant see bono again........... please put the song without him
esagil1996 6 months ago
muy pero muy buenisima rola
TheFifthElementTV 7 months ago
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makky123 7 months ago
Ian Curtis doesn't try to dance. Dance tries to Ian Curtis
(re-post)
SNESrocks 7 months ago 7
when ever i had to do creative writing in school, i'd listen to joy division to make sure it was really badass.
MrPeguin666 7 months ago
i came at 1:25
hazeWUT 7 months ago
fastest drummer in the world.
Salfordbluemoon 8 months ago
well, I never saw Bono, unless he's in the crowd(where he is entitled to be),
keithngc891 8 months ago
@keithngc891 there is another version of this song on youtube but bono pops up in the middle of it and starts talking about joy division. it's really annoying and thats probably what the other comments are referring to.
sleepwalker235 6 months ago
im waiting for this video to download -58 secs so far- is Bono going to appear and what is a pickle smoocher fortyozjared?
keithngc891 8 months ago
Just yes
StokeCityFC44 8 months ago
Makes me so proud to be from salford!
JIMMY61048 8 months ago
Goose bumps all over.
islommer 9 months ago 2
whenever i watch joy division i'm always waiting for ian to start dancing.
PhilJamesTaylor 9 months ago
Serbia LOVES JOY DIVISION!!!
Dharmakiirti 9 months ago 6
I love them. They were real, normal and amazing people... Poland Loves Joy Division;)
darka321321 9 months ago 4
Brilliant band!
Elnino09uk 10 months ago
We can DAAAAAAAAAAANCE..... if we wanna; we can leave your friends behind! Because your friends don't dance, and if they don't dance, then they're no friends of mine!
hencoleman 10 months ago
I didn't see Bono in this...I must've blinked.
pataphysician66 10 months ago 27
who cares about bono hes a pickle smoocher!
Fortyozjared 10 months ago
those three dislikes were make by bono's fans
sanlenispe 1 year ago
Dance, dance, dance, dance, dance, to the radio...
Mephistophilesss 1 year ago
this song is in the albums??
crassadict211 1 year ago
@crassadict211
Not on the two "regular" albums...you can find it on "Still" or on the "Substance" compilation or of course as a single.
TheWhiteShark100 1 year ago
2:10 <3
BreyWoww77 1 year ago 2
Kiiiinnnnnngggggggsssssssssssssssssss
medinformatika 1 year ago
Who the fuck is Bono?
brotherhood45 1 year ago 2
@brotherhood45 u dun wana no...
ri394 1 year ago
Rest In Paradesio IAN
VoodooUprising 1 year ago
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this band sucks
ARGANTUAN 1 year ago
cannot say it any louder than others - but fuck off bono you twat
pjmanancourt 1 year ago 2
seeing Ian is sad makes me want to cry
Xxalexis240 1 year ago
There isn't enough space on the Internet to express how much of a cunt Bono is.
YouPubeist 1 year ago 209
@YouPubeist agreed
cluenobody 1 year ago
@YouPubeist Yup, it would have to be the size of the largest thing known to man.. Bonos' ego lol
clancy2k 1 year ago
@YouPubeist ha well saidx friggin hate the tosser!
maladjustedmanc 1 year ago
@YouPubeist ..lol..your right there isnt..but spray paint it on every wall u see..i will cover midlands..BONO CUNT will be sufficient
mmpaulmm 1 year ago
@YouPubeist Amen sister!
BryonyAdams 11 months ago
@YouPubeist That is retarded. I think if you watch October era U2 Bono was heavily influenced by Ian Curtis. Regardless of how big they have become they had similar beginnings.
nwaytowich 11 months ago
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@YouPubeist That is retarded. I think if you watch October era U2 Bono was heavily influenced by Ian Curtis. Regardless of how big they have become they had similar beginnings.
nwaytowich 11 months ago
@YouPubeist i think there are better people to hate than bono, lighten up on the guy.
KazakageoftheSand 10 months ago
@KazakageoftheSand probably but he isnt really hating him dude ^^ he just mentioned that bono is a cunt, who wants to get everywhere in.. he's so fckin commercial and then he appears in this awesome video.. thats just annoying.. so gaara i hope i got u out of darkness :D:D
THug0001 10 months ago
@THug0001 calling the man a cunt is indeed hating on him. i admit bono ruined the song.. but an interview with anyone would have ruined the song. talking of any kind would have. i like bono, in fact. i like u2. that's just me. and fuck you, i made this username 3+ years ago :P when i was like 13
KazakageoftheSand 10 months ago
@YouPubeist amen
dermotoblong 10 months ago
@YouPubeist is it bono's fault that somebody put this in this video? i ges not!
papapupunana 8 months ago
@YouPubeist
lol. really a brilliant comment.
DiMiTripz 6 months ago
@YouPubeist Save what space there is for praise of Joy Division!
NihilNullumZefirum 1 month ago 2
You can see the poain & sadness in Ians face behind the agro. So sad.
jackrichardtate 1 year ago
Whoever said Interpol ripoff is either the dumbest person ever to comment on this video or a big troll. I'm placing my bet on the former.
jslbrt 1 year ago
fucking aye...dance ian...i love this song
boredwithcoldfeet 1 year ago
Excuse me... An interpol ripoff?? Joy division came first buddy.
Papadupulous 1 year ago 2
who ever pushed that like button needs to get my fist driven through their head.
mmasonhauser 1 year ago
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this is such a cheap interpol rip off
diekontrolleure 1 year ago
Fucking Bono. Ian would never have turned out to be the self-absorbed celebrity sell-out piece of trash that you became. He was pure.
lala22k2 1 year ago 3
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check out my channel for a cool cover of Transmission.
----peace.
pinkjesus214 1 year ago
we have only record shops left.
thejim789mac 1 year ago
Namu Amida Budsu for Ian Curtis.
unexpectedbirth 1 year ago
Drummer is KILLIN it, great performance!!
n0wave 1 year ago 3
why are yous all saying fuck off bono this vid doesnt have him on it.try watching this one right through.
geordiejen 1 year ago
@geordiejen He was in another vid for this song. Fucking ruined the experience! Had to hunt for this one without his ugly mug and stupid opinions!
TheSonicchick 1 year ago 2
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I take it that when this was transmitted on TV, U2 were promoting another one of their over rated shitty fucking albums!!
lambchop71 1 year ago
I take it that when this was transmitted on TV, U2 were promoting another one of their over rated shitty fucking albums!
lambchop71 1 year ago
I mean *IN* fucking everything.
pirateXsatellite 1 year ago
bono is fucking everything.
pirateXsatellite 1 year ago
that really is awful that Bono magically appears towards the end of this video - he's one of the last people i would ever want to associate with joy division - let alone most anything i like
twohamburgers 1 year ago
Can't someone fucking edit out fucking bono from these vids I don't want to his face or hear about him when I want to listen to real fucking music.
heretherenothing 1 year ago 3
What performance is this?
thrillerman83 1 year ago
Just listen en see.
Who the fuck are we to judge?
Be glad you have ear
joghyjobie 1 year ago
shivers an shivers
maasai123456789 1 year ago 2
and we can... DANNNNNNNNNccccce !
Hankandthetanktops 1 year ago 87
@everyone dont talk dance to the radio
Carbonmonoxyde 1 year ago
adore such waffle it`s more fun than the vids, pomposity is an epidemic on this `site lol
tranmer3 1 year ago
Shut the fuck up and enjoy the music. How about that?
skimask11 1 year ago
And,the fact that I couldn't "prove" how I'm right would unfortunately have nothing to do with being unable to logically progress, but because your whole view on things in life ptobably wouldn't allow you to draw the inference needed to see how my premises are useful. It's funny how people mock others for using their mind in a particular way while they aren't as proficient at it. If I'm flexing intellectual muscle in an uncool way, you're flexing an inferiority complex covered in savvy rhetoric.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
i ♥joy divison
thefemiuzboy 1 year ago
why is bono in this?
markwalsh24 1 year ago
Very cool...This song was first written before they were joy division...they were known as Warsaw...
thefourarts 1 year ago
thank god Bono never popped up in the middle of this one.......thanks lelocomotion. Good vid.
teamleader1234 1 year ago 5
who the fuck is bono?
lyla40s 1 year ago 9
i fucking hate bono! where can i find a video of this that doesnt have that fagget in it?
metalstoner666 1 year ago
j'adore !ca me rapelle ma jeunesse lol
putain cool
olga270815 1 year ago
Keep Bono away from Joy Division pleeeeease!
killerjones77 2 years ago 8
funny,..but true...
carlos7217 1 year ago
ok---let's be rational here. U2 are a decent band. but with all due respect, they don't touch joy division.
sonicbuzzard 2 years ago 5
who's bono? xD
rocktotally0wns 2 years ago 4
ever heard of google?
DenSnuskigaFilmen 2 years ago
@rocktotally0wns
hahahaha :D :D
well said
OnclePop 2 years ago
FUCK BONO!!!
that little Wank!!
FAKING TWAT!
Ian curtis
i hope one day u throw a shoe at bonos face!
BTKJON213 2 years ago 75
@BTKJON213
Idiot
Vogeldod 1 year ago
@BTKJON213 Ian Curtis is dead.
JonoWeekes 1 year ago
@JonoWeekes May 18! (Today) <3
VondasRipper 1 year ago
joy division yeahh
thefemiuzboy 1 year ago
@BTKJON213 Hopefully that shoe will be full of concrete!
TheSonicchick 1 year ago
I hope Bono dies in an earthquake.
LeLimeLine 2 years ago 10
Maclesfield Ya fuckin twats
BandwagonJumper007 2 years ago
fuck bono with a splintered two by four...
long may the dead body of Ian Curtis hang in our thoughts and minds...
bigpanthis 2 years ago
@bigpanthis
lol...hang
Terrorizzzm 2 years ago
bono sucks!
mobiusengage 2 years ago 9
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SpringSessionZen 2 years ago 29
@SpringSessionZen what a great and very true thing to say, thank you
TalkingDevoB52 1 year ago
@SpringSessionZen, I'd disagree completely. Musically, I think it takes a strong mind to accept what they're doing, but I'm certain most weak, fragile minds could relate to his writings. Curtis evidently was willing to give up. You feel that in the sound (more so in Closer. but, still, in UP). His writings were that of a weak-minded person.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
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SpringSessionZen 1 year ago
@SpringSessionZen,...Over analyze? I would have called that bare-minimal analysis, but, fine. Again, their music definitely as you would describe. But I would say Curtis was weak-minded (not that's bad, musically. it always seems to make for more effective music) and that his lyrics were highly pre-determined, preferred views that he was too weak to not want to believe. You just wrote what you felt? That could be said about everything. I'm still going to analyze it, regardless.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@Sudhish86 Yup, you summed up yourself perfectly.......''regardless''.
SpringSessionZen 1 year ago
@SpringSessionZen, if someone says something I disagree with that was very emotionally-induced, that has no affect on whether or not it's accurate. It's still a statement I find inaccurate...What was the point of posting if you aren't willing to deal with someone who responds to you? If you just wanted to say something or express yourself, I did, too, just in response to what you wrote. boohoo?
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@Sudhish86,
Oh dear, a babbling nerd with a well polished soap box whose modesty is second to none.......
fralust 1 year ago
@fralust, I think what I do through causation. Besides, what part of my writings was immodest? Or, are you, as a stupid person, predetermined to try to bring down anyone who comes across as thinking they know something--regardless if they do or not--because they don't know how they even could make more sense of it, and, so, therefore, HE must be the one in the wrong?
Or, does the fact that it was "emotional" mean he's immune from something? If so, I wasn't aware...
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@Sudhish86,
It's merely a pop music video, dear boy. No more no less.
"Intelligent" debate is always welcome in many spheres, even that of the ersatz Socratic dilettante stripe. You are a either a video game playing, failed philosophy student, or a jobless graduated one who, pontificating, loves nothing more than the sound of his own voice.
Again, allow me to remind you - this is a pop music video. Can you not bore others senseless on perhaps a Marx or Nietzsche forum...?
Many thanks.
fralust 1 year ago
@fralust, anything that exists in reality is under "intelligent" debate (Idk what you mean by intelligent debate, since, if it's not intelligent, it must be some moron fest for no clear purpose). Your personality guesses are pretty good, but not right. I was a professional gamer who later fropped out of college ( business admin). If you're not going to approach something "intelligently", why approach it at all? If you're looking for very shallow emotional satisfaction, then don't go public.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
Also, I'm clearly not boring you as you have interest in me/ something of mine. I had no idea people couldn't talk about the mundane with any sort of philosophical questioning. Forgive me for wanting to and being a step ahead. Also, you and I both know that JD's music is more meaningful than "pop" music. That was an outright self-lie to justify combatting a reasonable response to someone. But bitter, emotional responses are expected when you assert yourself smartly. Boo hoo. ;(
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@Sudhish86,
Forgot to ask you a few questions.
Do you like this Joy Division song? If so, what meaning did you glean from it? And if you don't like it, what meaning do you get from that?
Remember......it's only pop music.......
Cheers!
fralust 1 year ago
And, yes, I like this song. I like almost everything of JD's.
I don't find this particular one to have distinct meaning. Like a lot of the songs which came from their early stages, their understanding of music while conceiving them wasn't as refined as in later work. But, because punk was their inspiration, a lot of their songs were just their attempt at audio energy and vibe. Transmission is just an anthem for uncontemplated expressive behavior. It just to make you have fun, really.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
Also, Zen not wanting to have to deal with future responses because of fear of them being negative speaks to his weak-mindedness. I'm not arrogant/ unreasonable. He's clearly just far at the other end of the spectrum; so, if you're merely comparing assertiveness and not actually considering what's said, it can easily seem like I'm a big ole meany. But I'm not. He's just...fragile. And if anyone has an emoticon featuring someone scrunching their nose, that would be fantastic.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@mydearSudhish86,
You are not unintelligent, yet appear to have the immutable, garrulous trappings of youth in thinking you're more intelligent than you are. Hopefully you'll grow out of it, as supercilious bitchiness is never becoming.
You flex your intellectual muscle on YT (no mean feat!) which is akin to shooting fish in a barrel or being a pearl amongst pigshit. I know. Trust me.
Or you're a brightish guy who has no outlet so posts myriad comments..??
I may have a side job for you.
fralust 1 year ago
@fralust, you're using language to come across as being at a higher level of some sort, despite that being your only display of it. using "dear" in your addressing is simply you only superficially being "above" in some way. I don't see why it matters where you post comments and to what extent you analyse. I know others do, but that's no reason for me to stop. Because it seems uncool is only because the majority believing that are mentally lazy and think not thinking is desirable...be my guest...
Sudhish86 1 year ago
Also, it's only relative if you're not an intuitive person. Subjectivity doesn't mean the reality is whatever you want to believe it to be; it just means it takes inference. People who think otherwise will never draw deep enough inferences. This goes for anything about which you can sense something of any kind. Music is no different.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
You're obviously trying to combat explanation with superficial appeal. You know it. Your whole rhetoric-oriented responses make it plain. If you had anything meaningful to say, you would say it. People who avoid logical consideration always convince themselves they're doing things right because of how well they do in the world of human construct and always combat explanation with rhetoric. You're not doing anything differently; so, I'll just stick with your inferiority-complex..
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@dearestSudhish86,
Myriad full posts in a short space; your loquaciousness matches both your ego, self-righteousness and self doubt. It is noteworthy that you forever tell yourself (no less) of your "superiority." Self praise, dear boy, is no praise.
It's a terrible shame when relatively intelligent people are more preoccupied with being "right" than anything else, don't you find?
No-one is asking you to stop your blah blah on a pop video. No doubt you could do it on a cookery/DIY video!
fralust 1 year ago
@fralust, it's only loquacious if you don't find music important to human psychology and analysis. I find good qualities of music to serve different positive purposes, if you're simply not closed to taking things from it. To those who explore musical ideas, it's essentially discussing philosophy through some avenue of distortion, for the fun challenge. I don't have a superiority complex; most others just have some form of an inferiority complex. They don't explore anything.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@goodSudhish86, you say:
"Also, it's only relative if you're not an intuitive person. Subjectivity doesn't mean the reality is whatever you want to believe it to be; it just means it takes inference."
Please google "private eye pseuds corner." It should be the 4th link down.
I'll sent your entry in and we'll split the prize! Whaddya say?!
How do you and I "know" that Joy Division's music is more meaningful than "pop" music."? Could be a big ruse...?
Don't take yourself too seriously....
fralust 1 year ago
@fralust, Idk what to make of PEPC. If you're trying to give me an illustration of myself, I simply can't agree that I'm being pretentious. I don't even believe in the idea of people or things "deserving" things. It's always pointless non sequiturs or uncontemplated impulse. It could be a ruse. Technically, anything can be anything. But if you're not open to the idea that everything you can sense is information working towards understanding our ultimate purpose, you won't see the premise.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@fralust, have you ever played a game? Have you ever read your opponent and knew what his decisions meant? It's the same process adapted to human psychology-and-sounds. Why do you infer things about my personality? Because you think you have information regarding it. You're not right. But, you're doing the process you're meant to.
Also, i don't know how to respond to yours on my analysis of this song. Clarify and I'll be able to.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@Sudhish86, have I ever played a game, ask you?
Does chutes and ladders count.....? Man, was I good! Some say the best.
Mind if I ask you a completely unrelated question? What's your take on The Third Reich and Neo-Nazis today? Humor me.
And in all seriousness, Joy Division's "Love Will Tear Us Apart" may well be just about the greatest pop song ever created. In my humble opinion.
fralust 1 year ago
Here you are again, using simply rhetoric. It's funny how dumb people think they're getting around questions by trying to turn the tables in a different way. It's not working, brah. You're clearly working hard to not have to at all.
Neo-nazis? I don't think much of them, honestly. I don't see them having any potential to grow into something remotely significant. As smart as they could be, everyone views Nazi Germany as the worst thing ever. There is no avenue to relevence now.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@suduko,
Of course I've played a game. What do you think I'm doing now, ya daft mare?!
The Nazis were a shower of cunts. As are their latter day admirers.
fralust 1 year ago
@fralust, also, I'm glad the real you came out. You're not a savvy person as you were trying to convey. You're just a dumb person who's bitter towards people who claim to know something you've been too cowardly and stupid to figure out. Again, cry me a river. You're the kind of person who lets himself get trampled. You're weak. That's why you wanted to stand by Zen earlier on. Just a weak, coward, low-level person who doesn't know how to figure anything out. ;(
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@sudukotheboy,
Who or what the fuck is Zen? You're not going Buddhist on me, are you?
Anyway, never mind all the ranting, angry insults. Cast aside your rage and accept my friend invite. I have a genuine proposition you're certain to find interesting. If not, simply remove the friend status and I will not offer it again.
Whaddya say? Won't hurt to try. I assure you I'm perfectly serious.
fralust 1 year ago
@fralust, I've been rather unemotional since you came onto me. If anyone has shown raging fits, your last set of posts to me are what will fit. Also, I prefer having people who are dumber than me be my enemies in the online world. If YOU are genuinely interested in e-friending me, you need to crank up your leverage quite a bit. I know you're serious. Weak-minded people always want to ignore things and just be friends. I do them favors by putting my foot on their throat, instead.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@suduko,
You consider me your enemy?! Remarkable! All I did (in a genial fashion) was highlight your floral prose, garrulousness, and self appointed intellectual status.
In fact, the latter aspect cries uncertainty re your intellect as you are forever harping on unsolicited about it. Like some chest pounding ape who then gobbles up his own waste in a show of bravado. And who/what is Zen?
I will address your grievance re being up to your standards in a later post. I'm very nervous.
fralust 1 year ago
@fralust, you're clearly my enemy. You're trying to break my back because you're a stupid little person who has nothing but reason to be modest and bitter. Self-appointed intellectual status? What are you talking about? Another thing you're making up. But, based on this conversation, I have, yes, been a bit more intellectuall-oriented. You've been going strictly on social-inferences. That's what one-dimensional people do. Also, I've not been inclined to "beat my chest". I've been emotionless.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@Sudhish86,
I am not your "enemy", but merely trying to imbibe a smattering of humility and a sense of humor in you. It appears I'm failing.
You say I'm "trying to back your back." Naaah, I'm just busting your chops, and if I wanted to break your back, I would've done it a while ago. I'm being nice to you right now.
I have taken nothing you've said to me personally and trust you have also. How about you and I bury the hatchet and you hear me out.
Don't like it? Tell me to fuck off.
fralust 1 year ago
@fralust, I don't even regard humility/ arrogance. They're both extraneous to my ultimate concerns. But, if you're going to try to get me to show a sense of humor, you'll have to do it in a much more clever way. You're playing ABC social interaction. It's generic, predictable, and transparent. Not interesting at all. Also, you were trying to break my back. Don't lie. You were really eager to break me down. Right now you've learned your ways can't do anything to me. That's the difference.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@fralust, also "Love will tear us apart" is clearly a minority in their catalog. If you can't come to see that, I don't know why you're interested in Joy Division in the first place. The vast majority of their songs weren't concieved as being pop songs, no matter how well they might have worked as one. Generally, pop songs are songs which seem exciting(on a dumb level), but have minimal emotional attachment to artist. Two properties indicating why they weren't designed as "pop" music.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@Sudoku68, Oh stop being such a pompous ass. I will not deign to argue with you re the merits of one song compared with another. Are you in high school? And you wonder why I call you my boy?
If Joy Division are not pop music, then what the Devil are they? Did they cure cancer, poverty and racism while I was taking a shower?
Who said: they weren't designed as "pop" music."
You.....?
Apparently.
fralust 1 year ago
@fralust, pompous ass? No. I'm just not going to say I'm wrong when it's clearly not the case. Cry me a river for not knowing how to think on an easy level.
What is it? As a whole, JD is simply good punk ( as opposed to post-punk). It's quite different from "pop" music. Because if you listen to Curtis and listen to their arrangements, they're clearly usually trying to make vivid, soulful music. It's easy to see how it's not designed to be pop music. You can figure it out. Stop being a coward.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@Sudukowhoispuzzled,
There you go again with your little collection of boxes, you silly tart. "Post punk, pre punk, ad hoc punk, existential punk, blah, blah, blah.
You claim JD are NOT "pop music", but are in fact "good punk."
Well, is punk (good or bad?) in fact not a genre of popular music? Or is it sculpture? Or brass rubbing?
It sounds as if you were still sloshing around in your ol' man's ball bag when punk first hit the scene. But now you're a self appointed expert on it.
Ha!
fralust 1 year ago
@fralust, "Pop" music is generally meant to mean what's on the most mainstream radio stations. (ie the stations whose only concer is making money). I suppose punk is popular, but its consumer group isn't "mainstream". I don't claim to be an "expert", I'm just someone who knows a lot about the creative, psychological, and logistic areas of music. I don't see why I shouldn't think so when everyone else seems to not catch as much as I do.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@suduko,
So. It's established that punk IS a branch of pop (popular) music, and not some namelless entity beyond its borders. To get here, a full 180 was necessary, You waffled, bucked and pontificated (well, you still do!), but we did it! Well done!
But you're still digging your well worn heels in with extraordinary - and rather amusing - statements like: "I'm just someone who knows a lot." Priceless
All you need is a red nose and a flower that squirts water.
Fool of a boy.
fralust 1 year ago
@fralust, ? I still contend punk is not "pop" music. it's a popular kind of music, but not "pop" I told you punk is not pop, because of its consumer group. Where does this enthusiasm come from? I'm not digging my heals. I'm just giving you my reason for not being modest on this particular issue. I love how people judge ability through personality inference...As if that even made sense. I'm not modest. And? What? All talented people are also modest in their area? Pfft.
Sudhish86 1 year ago
@Sudhish86,
Muhammad Ali was immodest, but boy did he have some talent and charisma! Regardless of whether you're a boxing fan, this is undeniable. Me? Neither modest or immodest. Merely "me." Besides, singing one's praises isn't my thing, particularly on such a simple topic as pop music. No different to food - some you like, some you don't. Just personal taste.
I'm only acting the goat. Trust me and hear me out. Your talent and immodesty (not without foundation!) will be a boon.
fralust 1 year ago
@fralust. Food is not comparable to music. Food preference is based off inherent, uncontrolled natural senses. Music preference can have (if you're actually smart) more dimension to it than however you naturall are. It's for the same reason some people are just better at life than others. They know to be different, expand, and take on more facets. It's the typical process of any willed evolution. I don't prefer a lot of music which is good. But my preference is different than what