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  • Jesus said His Life was as the Seed of the Promised Tree, being planted in the earth. As God sees things, that the obedience by His Son to be the Seed that then is planted, God is Justified then to send the latter rains and assure by His Name the Tree grows in the appointed times and bears fruit for all Nations. Jesus is then by Divine Measure the fulfillment of all Messianic Prophecy being then the Seed, as the Seed is equal to the Tree, the Times being the Providence of God to do.

  • THE Law was given to moses through God to show the world that we

    are all sinners and that we need a savior, we cant do it on are own

    any more, but in the Book of romans 8:3 For What the Law could not do in that

    it was weak through the flesh, God sending down his own son

    in the likeness of sinful flesh,for sin,condemned sin in the

    flesh...

  • My friend, the Law of Moses was only supposed to last a short time. Yeshua fulfilled the Law. The Pharisee's rejected Him because they were a corrupt band of vipers, who were subjugating their own people, at the request of Caesar and his authorities in the region. So the Pharisees werent even just arbiter's of the Law but were rather a mechanism used in the occupation. "Christian" Messiah? There is no such thing. We were grafted into the tree of Israel through the blood of the Living God.

  • @particle58, you are clearly wrong! The Law of Moses was supposed to be permanent or unchanging, which is why the N. T. is inconsistent with the O. T. (Tanakh), and should be rejected as the fraud it is. Show me where in the Tanakh the Mosaic law is to change in any way, or that the Old Covenant was to be replaced!

    Note the following:

    "The word of our God will stand forever" (Isaiah 40:8; 1 Peter: 1.24)

    "The Law of the Lord is perfect" (Psalm 19:7). So, the Law is perfect and stands forever!

  • @psandbergnz So why do you think that the N.T. is inconsistent with the O.T.?? You should read it yourself and not let the world tell you what it says. Jesus (Yeshua) said " Think not that I came to change the Law , but to Fulfill it", There is no law of Mosses but the commandments of GOD, So take that and reject it for it was the word of GOD and that stands forever. Remember as you meter unto others it shall be metered unto you.

  • @sweetpea16969, I'm very familiar with the Bible, including the New Testament (N.T.), which is why I can debate you on any aspect of it. Tell me, if the N.T and O.T are in harmony, do Christians breach scripture when they eat pork or shellfish? Should Christians circumcise their sons to comply with O.T. scripture?

    Does God require Christians to obey the Torah?

  • @psandbergnz I , being what you would call a "Christian" do not eat pork or shell fish , they are unclean food for you body, However, the Noah covenant does still stand for salvation. If you are asking me that the N.T. changes the Law of God, then No.! The statements in the N.T. if study closely. will not do that either. The Sabbath is the Sabbath and does not change any were in the N.T. , however, many professed "Christians" think that it does,Circumcision must be of the heart. that is all.

  • @sweetpea16969 , Christians (or followers of God) are no longer supposed to be under the Law. Torah observance is complex - very few Jews comply! And I don´t want to see stonings to death for adultery and breaching the Sababth! Do you?

    NB. Dietary laws comprize only a fraction of the 613 Mitzvote.

    Circumcision: European Christians don´t circumcise. Are we bing disobedient? There is no such thing as a "Christian circumcision". Read Paul´s epistle to the Galatians: circumcision has no value,

  • @psandbergnz First you would have to know what the Oral Law was to say that, It is the Rabbinical Law not the word of GOD as given to Mosses. The Sabbath is still the Sabbath and that is the mark that Identify us as Worshiping El Shaddai. Remember Isaiah 56;1-3 and the rest of chapter 56 which give salvation to all who seek him. When you teach that the word of GOD is done away with Yeshua you are teaching the way of the master of perdition. You understand not the word I see.

  • @sweetpea16969, yes true Sabbath is Saturday (Sunday was imposed by the Roman church). Your implication that St. Paul is the "son of perdition" is hard to sustain. The Dead Sea Scrolls do rebuke a "son of perdition", I know, but there is no indication Paul is the target. He didn´t change Sabbath to Sunday.

    The Word should not be annulled, but its deeper spiritual meaning pondered. Do you maintain circumcision is mandatory? Do you approve death by stoning for adultery, as Torah stipulates?

  • @sweetpea16969 , yes, circumcision must be of the heart (only). Physical circumcision is irrelevant, and is even "unchristian" if parents subject their boys to circumcision as a means to find favour with God. Pork is not necessarily more unhealthy than other meats (depends on conditions). Personally, I choose to be vegetarian. But if Christians eschew pork, than that is a personal dietary choice, having nothing to do with obedience to God. For Christians, all foods are on principle acceptable.

  • To the messianic Christians... he is not speaking of "J" man....

    Please read your bibles from the begining of the book and stop "Assuming" read with out pre-conceived ideas.!

    OHY!

    God can NOT be human.. you are making the Infanite to finite. If the Temple could only hold the "NAME" of G-d.. then surely a puny human body can NEVER be G-d.

  • @MLSuriano Why do you limit God saying God can not be human?I know Rabbi Jacobson would agree with me.I heard him speak about not limiting God.

  • materialism is killing everyone!

  • thats not what the book of Revelation outlines....

  • @Pitttdog

    Jews dont care what the book of Revelations outlines---different religion. Do you care what the Shiite texts outline for the messianic period? Why not? Well, thats the same answer a jew would give you for Revelations.

  • @18Atilla Judaism and Christianity are far removed from Islam, which is the religion of an ishmaelite pagan. Anyone who has not read the New Testament needs to. Especially Revelations.

  • @particle58

    You missed the point.  Jews do not care about the contents of the "New Testament" because it is not a part of their religion. It would be like a Baptist or Catholic worrying about what the Mormon Bible speaks about.

  • @18Atilla I understand what you are saying my friend, but all I am saying is that Yeshua was MEANT for the Jews and Gentiles alike. He was the prophet that God told Moses would come after him, speaking in God's name. So 'Christianity' is really a sect of Judaism, not a totally different religion. The New Testament is a text that was compiled and written by 1st century Jews who were either apostles of Christ, or interviewed those who were.

  • @particle58

    Once someone deifies a person, it is no longer a sect of Judaism and becomes a different religion. Jewish law considers this a form of idol worship. The Trinity is not Mono-Theism. A man cannot be G-d. Jesus did not complete all the requirements necessary to fulfill the requirements of the jewish messiah.

    Maybe He was the Christian Messiah---but not the jewish one.

    In any case, christians are a part of the creator's plan and have improved the world by spreading the word.

  • We are one.

  • The Jewish Law accepted that Joseph, the husband of Mary , accepted the child Jesus as his own. Even though Joseph knew that Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit of Yahweh God, thus had been spoken out of the mouth of God to be and so was. So Jesus is descended from David's House by the Legal Tradition, because a Jewish man declared for the sake of Law, Jesus was his son, and the son was in fact born of a Jewish Mother. But this is God's Way of using the Law for our Salvation. Be Blessed

  • @whateverujoke Yeshua is God's Name . We who speak Anglo-Saxon English, etc. translated this name as Jesus Christ. The Anointed One, the Messiah, the Lord our Savior. God once gave Adam the rule of the Garden of Eden, and Adam sinned. Why should we ever look to some other son of Adam for salvation ? That is the mystery of the Image of God, as appearing as Yeshua, Jesus, but he is not a son of Adam or even of David's male gender seed. God took the seed of the Woman, Eve, and appeared

  • The fatal destiny of the Jews who deny God can appear as Messiah, is they look for another, any other, a man, a politician , a worldly king. This did God inform the prophet Samuel in 1Samuel 8:7 was the flaw that came of the Israelites who rejected Yahweh as King of Israel , King of Jeshurun, and wanted what the Pagan nations had, ordinary men as kings using gods of wood and stone, which are military weapons, not stupid idols. The Jews will be caught up in a one world anti-Christ.

  • the Messianic Jews are the real Jews. The false Jews argue from an Islamic tradition that God cannot at all appear to us, in any form, particularly in the form of a man. But the Bible says in Genesis One, chapter 26, "And God said, "Let Us make man in Our Image, after our likeness." So the image we bear, as humans, belongs first to God. But the false prophet Balaam, whom Moses killed because Balaam cursed Israel, gave the impression that man owns his own image and God cannot appear.

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  • @LeandroCMaia

    Sorry Leandro, what you are outlining is polytheism. There cannot be two divines under the jewish concept of divinity. Just one. The example of the spouses is an example of two working together, but that is still two. There also cannot be a G-d Man, nor can any man be divine. (By the way, many early Christian sects in the early church did not think the J man was divine.) 

  • @18Atilla You mean the Arians? Thats not exactly 'many' sects. As far as Yeshua being the Messiah, Im not worried whether you accept Him now or not, but when He descends from Heaven to Israel, to save the remnant of Israel and the Christians from the forces of the false prophet and antichrist, God willing I will be there to lovingly tell you "i told you so".

  • @whateverujoke Yes I understand the statement. God Himself is the Messiah, and always was the only One, our Jealous God, who does not give His Title and Throne to another. Abraham saw God come as the Lord, appearing as a man. We say Jesus Christ, because he was not conceived by a man's seed, was Himself the Good Shepherd, God Yahweh, appearing to us, from inside the skins of man. As the Good Shepherd wore the skins and wool of the sheep, so God is Wise, in Jesus Christ to appear

  • There are all kinds of Jews today, I get confused, because they must all be confused first, that the world cannot even see a uniform Jew. There are Jews who only have a religion and deny ancestral origins, maybe because they are not real Jews. And they have anti-Zionist , and anti-Israeli Jews. So to stand between the Jews is to be in a serious crossfire. That is why Jesus said they were the blind leading the blind. Torah gave no man to rise from the dead. Torah left Adam as dust.

  • Genesis chapter one, verse 26 , "And God said, "Let Us make man in our Image, in the likeness of ourselves." What is this ? This is Yahweh God as Elohim, the Father and the Son Jesus, Yeshua, existing before God made Adam and Eve, and God had the Divine Image of the man Jesus, as God's own appearance, His personal Being, and His choice of what God appears as. So the Jews rebelled in 1Samuel 8:7, not wanting Yahweh to appear as the Messiah, and they wanted a pagan style warrior king

  • In Hosea 11, verse 9 , God say " for I Am God, not man." God had the Image and Likeness of the Messiah King, that is Jesus, as God's own Image and likeness, before God gave the image of the human being to Adam and Eve. God saying he is not man, means God is not of Adam's seed.  Adam was a ghost image of God, God is the real man, the real appearance of Messiah Yeshua. God in Jesus was not conceived by Adam's seed, and so Jesus is the First Man who was before Adam and Eve. Jesus is God

  • The Jews erred upon Balaam's Oracle in Numbers chapter 23. Balaam was a false prophet who cursed Israel and Moses slew that Arab Prophet. Now, Jews made a false tradition of accepting Balaam's claim that God could not appear as a man. But Abraham saw God appear as a man and bowed before Him. God , in Genesis one, verse 26, made us, the human being, in God's own Image and Likeness. Thus God had the image of Jesus, Yeshua, even before God made Adam and Eve, in that same Divine Image.

  • @whateverujoke I love all the Jews , but God's Messiah is a serious business. God left Eden to Adam and he failed. God does not make the same mistake twice. God did not send a political kingly messiah into the world as God's messenger, etc. Only God Himself can be the Messiah. And for me, Jesus came in God's Name, Yeshua, or Jesus. Thus God is the Good Shepherd, who came wearing the skins of the man, as they had worn the skins and wool of the Sheep. God came as a man, His Image

  • Only God can redeem the world in Himself. The Messianic Jews may feel that man is evolving to some higher consciousness, but I would not bet on that. The current state of political manipulations in the world is the worst ever seen in history. Where are the Ciceros of the world ? Are they in the press, or in office, or heads of universities. Just look at the Global Warming farce. Liars have never been so productive as well as progressive. There is no such awakening , God only is awake.

  • The "idea" is the awareness of a real reunification of all 12 tribes into a restored Israel as it existed at the time of King David. The 10 "Lost Tribes" or zera of Abraham dispersed "as fish in the sea" (hence the "fish" symbol - which has nothing to do with feeding a crowd). This will be achieved when "Christians/lost tribes" accept Torah as God's Law and abandon idolotry. And conversely, when Judah claims their rejected Messiah as their own.

  • Oldproji or Oldfrogy is preaching his Christian god, Jesus, here because apparently he thinks Rabbi Simon Jacobson is Christian. This is what happens when old Jesus freaks forget to take their anti-dementia medications!

  • Jesus tried hard to explain to the Jewish Priesthood of his day that the true nature of man was not of flesh and bone, but spiritual. Flesh and bones are not the essence of man, or true nature of God. God is Spirit and he made us in His likeness. Our time on earth should be one of reflection and correction to our thoughts, so that our mind and soul can become one with the Spirit and eventually one with the Spirit of God.

  • I am looking for a video from Rabbi Jacobson where he talks about the soul and makes an analogy of a refrigerator and electricity. If anyone can point me to this, I would appreciate it. thanks.

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  • In my view Rabbi Simon has explained in few seconds a whole life of teachings. It is interesting how a negative persuasion can blind a great number of people to distort the idea of Moschiach. If people could understand for instance, that the Haggadah Shel Pessach only barely mentions Moshe Rabbenu in the story so every reader do not get the wrong idea and thus forget the importance of the lesson. The system of our thoughts is divergent from those who believe negatively.

  • Amein. Was Memonides thé Messiach? I think not! Look to Torah, to scripture, the whole house of Israel shall first return. Where are all the other tribes? A tribulation never seen before shall cause the whole house of Jacob, Ephrahim and Israel to return before haMessiach returns. The rider on the white horse has started to ride and many Spiritual eyes are opening to the real truth.

    Rather die for Israel than cursed S.A. (cannot prove ancestral)Thanks Rav for interestn observatns. Shalom, Aaron

  • Where is the "white horse" talked about?

  • The book of Revelation in the Brit Hagadash (New Testament). There is first a rider on a white horse who will bring war and conquer many. (Revelation 6:2)

    But that is not the Mashiach...you can see from the surrounding text that it talks about a world leader. When the Mashiach comes, He is also mentioned riding a white horse with the Heavenly Army, and He has been given a Name that only He can pronounce...(Revelation 19:11-16)

    G-d bless!

  • Why do you believe in the New Testament? Are you a Messianic Jew? Is Aaron one, who posted the original post? I'm asking if it's in the Tanakh.

  • Yes I am a Messianic Jew....

    Aaron certainly seems to have knowledge of the Brit Hagadash...

    And I believe the white horse he speaks about is the first one...

    G-d bless you!

  • White horse? reminds me about grandma's stories. Simply non sense, those that pretend to know the future are fools. Star Wars is fiction as much as the rider on the white horse, who in some people's imagination is also depicted as a rider on a white donkey. Fantasy doesn't need foundation to be accepted as "fact" by some people.

  • The future has arrived, and it won't be much longer before you can test your theory... I hope you listened well to your grandma's stories...

    G-d bless!

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