Christianity offers an accurate narrative of the realities of the human condition based on demonstrated human behaviors, thoughts and sentiments.... Some people have the ability to come to their own personal recognition of the Bible account to their own circumstances and social realities. Regrettably, there are loads of pple who choose their own delusions by insisting that thousands of generations of human experience (good and bad) are not factually represented in the Bible account.
Christianity offers an accurate narrative of the realities of the human condition based on demonstrated human behaviors, thoughts and sentiments.... Some people have the ability to come to their own personal recognition of the Bible account to their own circumstances and social realities. Regrettably, there are loads of pple who choose their own delusions by insisting that thousands of generations of human experience (good and bad) are not factually represented in the Bible account.
I've rationalized the idiocy that is "Hell" to Christians for far too long to care anymore. I've brought up valid points and contradictions in the concept, and they never seem to get it. I simply have neither the willpower, nor the desire to fight it anymore.
Now when they threaten me with eternal Hellfire, I just say "Sounds kinky" and leave it at that.
They pass on this supposed god's threat, and as such ARE threatening you (just on behalf of 'god').
It's the same as when they say being gay is a sin because the bible says so.
It's THEIR bigotry, masked as some god's divine judgement, because IF THEY DIDN'T AGREE or at least CONDONED it then they wouldn't be standing there saying it to our faces.
'just warning you' is the worst cop-out ever, and it doesn't work with anyone with more than a single functional braincell.
If nothing else, voicing such a disgusting threat and then trying to avoid the accountability that comes with stating that just pisses us off all the more.
How does jesus suffering for 3 days be an equal trade off for everyone's suffering, unless if the punishment was unimaginably minute in time?
How does it equate to an eternity per person? Wouldn't jesus suffering for our sins be him suffering in hell for eternity. I wouldn't wish that on him of course, but according to what god thinks we deserve, 3 days shouldn't cut it... am i right?
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need religion, hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important, qualitative differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption.
Homosexual activists, with complete support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims and martyrs; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
Mankind is due for moving to a higher consciousness plane. The same way the suffering of gazelles killed by lions make the species stronger, the suffering of mankind will help us move to the next consciousness level. A greater good comes for the species. The next level is the rejection of greed, materialism and selfishness. Our current capitalist system need to collapse in order to achieve this. If you're not ready spiritually, and doesn't move up, you'll suffer. This is happening now, seek God.
Hell was really created by Justinian at the Synoid COuncil in 567 AD. He decided that AION meant "forever" and that as far as he was concerned that was the end of the story. Hell is bullshit.
@Zentz29 I would like to direct you to Tentmaker's website There are a number of resources that trace the histiry of the development of the doctrine of eternal punishment. The concept all boils down to the word AION. Funny...so much all hinges on one word.
everyone deserves to go to hell you fucking idiot even other christians deserve to go to hell. but we are saved by the grace of God. if jeff dee gets butthurt so easily then why does he do this show?
if he's an athiest and he's so strong about his athiesm then why does he get insulted so easily? i think he wants to become a christian
@Vamp666 U sir, are an asshole if you think everybody deserves hell. If you think Hitler and the people he burned to cinders deserve to go to the same place, then your just a fucking asshole. Your the idiot if you don't get why he gets upset about this. If dumbasses like you go to heaven and Jeff Dee doesn't go, then there is no justice :D
@Vamp6661 He's trying to make you realize that you worship a God that created a hell. And that he would put perfectly good people in it just because he made them logical enough not to believe in him. If you can still worship him after all that, then you're, and I repeat, an asshole ;)
@shadowmoon55 you worship him to get out of it. all you have to do is believe and you are saved. i know it sounds weird but you gotta look passed that. you gotta have the mental strength to get off that. and its a fact that assholes like you slander our religion just because of how it makes you feel.
@Vamp6661 Think for yourself for one fucking second. God gave you the capability to sin and the wages of sin is apparently hell? Can't you see the flaw in that? If your dad tells you to believe he's your dad or he'll lock you up in a basement and torture you forever, would you consider him a good and loving dad? No, he's batshit crazy!!! Still you worship him like he's not..
@Vamp6661 I'm sorry I don't have the mental strength to get pass stupidity. Even though I have been vehement towards you, I know there's nothing you could have done that deserves death, let alone eternal torture and I think you know most of us don't deserve death or eternal torture either. Yet God is perfectly willing to send billions of people to hell under the rules he fucking made!! He's not a loving God, he's a dick.
@shadowmoon55 please just give him a chance. he's not that bad once you get to know him. he just seems that way because of the way some people make him out to be. im a christian and i have a great life. every time i ask god for something he ACTUALLY gives it to me. Ask and it shall be given unto you. Mathew 7:7. just try him. what have you got to lose?
@Vamp6661 I have. For twenty years I was under indoctrination. I am happier now and am living a much fuller life than when I was a Baptist and living a lie. Christians always look for a paradise up above, I'm telling you now it doesn't exist. This is the only world we got, why not make it the best possible world as we can instead of holding on to Bronze Age myths. I doubt God give u everything u've ever asked for. And i doubt if he's the one that actually gave you those things. Man, be free.
@Vamp6661 I can't tell you how liberating it is to break the bondage of religion. Religion is a cancer that promotes ignorance and intolerance. It is the denial of reality so that faith can be preserved. It curtails investigation because for every unknown, people would tend to insert God as an explanation and give up trying to find out. I also get things that I want. Not because I was in favour of some God, but because I worked for them. That's the power of humanity that religion disregards.
I suspect UR problem is because our Creator God must be revealed & cannot be "proven" to someone who seeks a narrow, modernist, skeptical, materialist proof (because this Creator is, by definition, Transcendent to His creation(not a finite entity in His own creation). According to what we believe about the LORD, He will NEVER make Himself known to anyone who is arrogant, proud & full of their own self-centered conceit. Have you read "Mere Christianity" ? God respects the free will
And where is the logic over being tortured forever and ever until the end of time if you are going to judged over a short period of time? I couple of years compared to forever? WTFIGO ?
These Videos debunk Man Made Religions, not the possible existence of a Creator. The comparison to Santa & the Easter bunny is correct in that case.
So how can you be so smug with yourself disproving the Easter Bunny?
Thats a No Brainer. Your IMPLICATION that this disproves a God however is dead wrong. You cannot show No Creator by showing there is not a Santa Claus.
Religion is Myth, the god they claim is an omnicient superman, an obvious projection of man.
The show how our Universe was created requires extraordinary evidence & the latest science says it has No Clue, only speculation. Multiverse, Bubble Universes, etc.
Who can say our Universe was not created by an intelligence?
What if we become intelligent enough to create a bubble universe?
But saying that intelligence created our universe is speculation as well. At this time, we don't know. And we might not find out in our lifetimes. But currently, the Big Bang is the best explaination.
And saying that everything is created by intelligence is no different than the fanatical fucktards who claim their way is the right way.
@wl0883 "But saying that intelligence created our universe is speculation as well"
Of Course it is but to these videos dismiss the concept based on incorrect Religions is crazy.
There are very fiew "fanatical fucktards" & no video will change their mind. There are fanatical Atheists also who want to legislate all Religion, public or private out of existence. Their Religion is as strong as the Theists.
Organized Atheism is as much a Religion as organized Theism.
@Texmurphy51 You are correct. i cannot prove beyond a doubt that something does not exist. Just as you cannot disprove that pink squirrels live on Jupiter. But once I claim that said squirrels exist and can provide no evidence they do, the burden of proof is on me to prove they do. The fact that you cannot prove they don't lends no credence to my claim. (perhaps the live in holes under the surface and are invisible)
@CapnHolic Pink Sqarls on Jupiter is a strawman argument. You are trying to take a know myth & equate that to an Unknown factor.
Since we cannot prove Dark Matter exists is it like a pink squirrel also?
The gods of man made Religions are Myth but to disprove them does not disprove the possibility that our Universe was Created by an intelligence. To Believe this beyond a doubt is itself a Religion.
This is why Atheist press their Belief System on others as Theists do.
@Texmurphy51 You miss the point. To make a claim and be believed I must have proof. if I have no evidence my claim has no bearing.
It is impossible to disprove anything exists. Hence my pink squirrel argument. It can not be dis proven, or proven. So the logical mind will not believe without proof.
For one to believe anything told without any evidence is to live foolishly.
@CapnHolic "For one to believe anything told without any evidence is to live foolishly"
There is no evidence of ET life, Dark Matter, Dark Energy, Multiverse, Parallel Universes, extra Dimensions (string theory),... many others including what conditions Existed before the Universe Existed.
These are all occam's razor ideas to explain an unknown.
Now, do you compare all these to pink squirrels too????
You are simply dismissing creation out of hand because you dont BELIEVE in it.
@Texmurphy51 alright man just listen this is the easiest way to put this........dark matter, energy PU theroy extra dimensions are only theroys and there not believed simply BASED on weather someone said its there or not there investigated.......same reason we dont teach about thouse things in school cause there not confermed facts at all........creation how ever has ABSOLUTELY NO evidence and NO amount of believe makes something true.....at all.....so man i will dismiss it very easily
@Xlivesforever Dark matter/energy are hypothesis to fit a current theory Mathmatical theory of how our Universe operates. They are the Occams Razor explanation.
This is all fancy terms for what some Believes to be true.
Theists Believe God to be True.
Athests Believe God is not True.
As for no evidence, NO amount of Evidence, no matter what, will convince you of a Creator.
Thats why you dismiss it very easily. Any proof will be explained away.
@Texmurphy51 um dude i could list all different kinds of evidence that i would accept for the existance for a creator......you hear me all freakin day....just to name a few how about god coming down just simply saying hey i created this and then preform some creation ya know like make a rock or a tree pop out of thin air or something......how about a religion that is moral and not one based on applogizing for a god that sends people to hell for not loving him.....on and on and on i could go
@Xlivesforever "um dude i could list all different kinds of evidence"
Your evidence requires a Personal God, the kind of myth religion. You require a miracle because your paradigm is man made Religion & your obvious hate of them.
The universe could have simply been created by intelligent being(s) & simply that. Your comparison to mans Religions is non sequitur.
Again, you would explain away any evidence presented because of your Beliefs.
@Texmurphy51 no dude you just dont see to get it your logic is backwards on that last point with renders the hole thing moot.....i dont explain away evidence cause of my believes i explain away believes based on evidence presented to me that its all ive never seen
ANY evidence for a creator or god or heaven or hell or any of it and im and being mad......well being mad in santa claus would be a waste of time cause i dont think he exists so its a massive wast of time to be mad at god
@Texmurphy51 if you want to know what im mad at try this people who threaten me or bribe me.....hey believe in this or youll go to hell.....hey believe in this and ill give you eternal happiness in heaven....thats a threat and a bribe right there and both are wrong as for a creator....well what in your opinion does it have to be a who....the word who already assumes there a god or some higher being why shut out all the other explinations for the beingings of everything seriously dude
That happens at every level. Dems have been trying to scare seniors that their SS & Medicare will stop if they dont keep them in office. They bribe welfare saying they will keep them in cellphones & big screen tvs.
I dont shut out other creation senerios. I simply say to exclude creation is not Science. Pre Big Bang conditions are unknown. Only those with a Belief System will exclued ALL other possibilities. These are Theists & Atheists.
@Texmurphy51 just because other people are being bribed or threatened doesnt make religions bribe or threat any less rediculous....and seeing as there talking about money and tvs and what have you theres no way in hell (forgive the expression) that thats on the same level as eternal happiness or eternal torture.......seriously dude stop defending these people there complete assinine morons that think threatening and bribing people is ok
A) If your Really an Atheist then you Believe there are no absolute right/wrongs.
B) proof of point A
C) Violent crimes have gone up, look up the stats.
D) Not trying to prove it, YOU are trying to disprove itl. It is what it is, Possible. Just as ETs & Dark Matter/Energy are possible. Non have prove only a hypothesis.
@Texmurphy51 and seriously getting back to this original point of yours there not trying to (DISPROVE) as you say...a god or creator.....thay have seen no evidence to prove that theres a creator and the callers are the ones claiming thay can prove it....if thay get solid prove they will be the first to admit they were wrong seriously dude
A. My comparisons was to show you Religion is not the most important problem in the world.
B. Atheism has the threat of No Heaven, shocking to some believers.
C. Violent crime has increased in the past 20 yrs, not just percerption.
D. If it cant be proven why do Atheists insist that people Believe in No God.
All the videos I see are an attempt to DISPROVE man made Religions. The idea is extended to all ideas of Creation. Organized Belief in No God is a Religion.
@Texmurphy51 You obviously don't know enough about the show. The show exists to let other atheists know they are not alone in a world somewhat intolerant towards them. These clips on youtube are just uploads by fans of bits that amuse them or make them think.
Atheism is not a religion it is a single stance on a single issue: god, or no god? They have no shared dogma, rules, goals, opinions or teachings related directly to the atheism.
@gleehmee "the theists call THEM" They demand it by creating the challange of No God. "you don't know what dogma IS" Ok then define it. "it's logic you get from atheists" No I get their Beliefs, I challange them with logic. Most of what they use is Semantics like "disbelief in God" Atheist saying there is No Creation based on lack of evidence is like saying there are no ETs, or Darkmatter based on no evidence. Each is a hypothesis. Organized Non Belief is a Religion.
You are wrong on so many levels. Atheist simply means "Without belief in a God or Gods, or lack of belief in a God or Gods". That's it. The word Anti-theist means"One opposed to belief in the existence of god, and/or opposed to religion". Religion is defined as "The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods." By your logic, how does that make atheism a religion. That's an oxymoron.
Bald is a hairstyle is a strawman argument, just as most of those Atheist Semantic analogies.A a hairstyle is defined as .."A style in which hair is cut and arranged"
Have you ever heard of skinheads? They have their hair cut off as their Hairstyle.
@Texmurphy51 I'm going to try to make this as simple as possible.
You go around telling everyone you own a $300,000 Ferrari. People might believe you and they might not. Now, let's say you tell everyone that your annual household income after taxes is $70,000. Common sense would say you can't afford a Ferrari on your income. But you continue to tell people you have one in your garage. No one has seen it.
So the position that a rational person would assume is that your Ferrari (continued)
that you claim is in your garage probably isn't there. You might be involved in criminal activity or some other shady activities and might be able to afford a $300,000 car. Who knows? But based on available evidence, people will assume that your garage is missing the car you claim you own.
We like doing a video show where we argue with people about their Belief in an obvious man made myth, (Religion) in order to get them to Believe in our Religion.
One that says we Believe in No Creator.
We dont have information on how the Universe came in existence, but based on disproving man created myths, we Believe that there is No God. (WHAT?)
Thats like showing no Flying Saucers exists by no evidence, then saying that proves there is no life on other planets.
"We like doing a video show where we argue with people about their Belief in an obvious man made myth, (Religion) in order to get them to Believe in our Religion.
One that says we Believe in No Creator."
Atheism is not a religion. Atheism is not believing in deities due tot he lack of evidence. It is only a rational and logical state since there is not a single evidence for the existence of deities. It says nothing about how the universe came to be.
And as usual Tex you fail on basic comprehension of english.
Atheist means NOT believing due to the lack of evidence.
Anti-Theist means making the claim there is no deity.
The Atheist experience videos only debunks the fairy tales, that's all.
And again, a religion involves one or several deities, rituals, religious leaders and holy books. Atheism has none of those. If you can't understand something that simple then I guess it's normal you need to worship a fictional character.
"What difference does it make as to the reason to Believe in No God?"
Atheist do not make the claim there is no deities, anti-theist do. One has evidence of that, the other not.
"An organize Belief in No God is a Religion."
Nope, a religion involves deities, rituals, holy texts and leading figures. As such, atheism has nothing of those.
Heck, atheism is not even an organization, it's just a qualitative of one who do not believe in deities due to the lack of evidence. It's rational thinking.
Atheistalliance is a regroupment of people who think beyond the religious veil and try to remove the stigmas bigots like you have of those who do not worship a deity.
Why should they not unite when religious zealots get in position of power to impose their ban on science and education because it makes their fairy tales false? Until you prove your deity's existence, you have no right to judge those who do not worship it or pass that delusion to your children(which would be lying to them).
Also, you just made the claim there was evidence of creation. Now you have the burden of proof. Either prove your point by presenting these evidence or admit it's just your opinion and, as such, as nothing to do with reality.
yes the "you deserve to go to hell because you're not in our club" is chilidish, stupid and people are assholes for saying it, but really its no different to having a mild argument with a stranger in public and they insult u, u shouldnt get bothered by it, u'll never see them again, i hope he copes ok in situations like that
I think Jeff gets too hung up on this one point at times.
Just because someone believes something terrible will happen to someone doesn't mean they believe it SHOULD happen.
And as for the question "Why worship him?", most people would sacrifice their principles and worship someone if they believe that failure to do so will result in eternal torment.
It's just as ****ed up as Jeff thinks, but bringing the point up at every occasion won't convince many people.
@EmperorZ19 Yes, actually they DO believe it SHOULD happen. And if they DOn'T believe it should happen? Then they should stop being a part of a religion that says that. Christianity says we are ALL horrible, evil, dastardly people that deserve eternal torture purely for being humans. And not only that, but only christians can get into heaven.
If a poll says that christians think atheists can get into heaven, then the christians who said that aren't actually subcribing to the bible at all.
@BigLundi Membership in a religion is not necessarily liking its message, it's believing that its message is true. Christians have been taught to believe that non-believers are sent to Hell. They see that as an absolute, regardless of whether they like it to not.
If people always rejected beliefs because they didn't like the implications, then the fire and brimstone fear-based approach to recruitment wouldn't exist.
@EmperorZ19 Why call yourself something you don't completely subscribe to? As Ken Ham said, "If you're going to take out Genesis, why not take out the rest of the bible?"
Christians are taught that atheists DESERVE To go to hell(just like everyone else) and not only that, but we're just 'fools' who are 'blind' to the 'fact' of christianity. If they DON'T think we deserve to go to hell, then they have two options. Stop being christians, or accept that their god's a douchebag for doing it.
@BigLundi They're not denying that non-believers are damned, they just don't like that it happens.
Again, consider the fact that fear-based recruiting exists. It works BECAUSE it's unpleasant. Thus, religious belief is not always based on likability. They're unlikely to admit that God is a douchebag however. Maybe they think his good outweighs his bad, or their indoctrinated mind simply won't allow them to consider obviously blasphemous ideas.
@EmperorZ19 But WHY are we going to hell is the thing? The REASON we're going to hell, according to the bible, is because we're human. We think lustful thoughts, we don't like some people, blah blah blah, all these are sins against god, therefore, we DESERVE To go to hell.
The REASON we go to hell is because we're horrible despicable people. That's what the christian religion says.
Yeah, they can not like the reason, but they still believe the reason.
If you go to Hell, you're trapped forever in never ending torment. If you go to Heaven, you'll be bound to worship someone forever. And someone you fear and despise at that. Who would want to go through something like that? How is that bliss? And even if that was one's preference, what about if you were the one in Heaven, but the rest of your friends and family were in Hell? Would you still enjoy paradise?
@Vexille1983 its like the on TV when you see a bully with only like 3 friends that hate him and only hang out with him to avoid bringing down his torment on them. they have to sit there and agree with everything he says. THAT is god :P
I attended catholic school as a child and when I was in second grade the nuns taught us that any child who was not catholic would go to hell. That ment all my friends who wern't catholic were going to hell. I could not believe that and at 7 years old I began to question and reject many of their teachings. Of course I could not speak up because I was too afraid of the angry penquins with the rulers.
@breaneainn What better way to scare them into submission? I mean, depending on age, the threat of thought crimes from santa will wear off eventually. Have to lay the ground work early.
Use a hell threat on Jeff Dee and he'll come at you like a pit bull. I can't say I blame him as "hell" is far and away the most evil idea ever conceived. That it is an integral part of Christianity perfectly illustrates how fucked up that religion is.
I agree with, & support Jeff on his views about these Xians who use the hell threats, and agree with how he deals with such people. But what really bothers me about these people who believe that hell is real & use it as a threat against those who simply don't believe, is that virtually none of them has ever given any serious thought as to what kind of being would inflict such a horror on other sentient beings! These Xians just accept it & approve, never questioning the evilness of such an act.
this show proves the state that America is in. now, over here in England things are far from perfect, but we have got over religion. its not that there is no religion, but that people don't care about your beliefs. you can be anything you want and avoid prejudice. when i went on a work trip to America and stated i was atheist, i was very surprised at the response i got. something that would never happen in England.
No, I don't care enough about what random strangers say to get offended about someone saying I should be in-prisoned on a moon in jupiter, only truly insecure people would be offended over that....
hell isnt a threat its the truth. cold hard truth. theyre probably just trying to get u back for making a show all about bashing christians who have done nothing to u, just because u have nothing better to do with your life. funny how u can say things about us but we cant say anything about u. serves u right for lying to the public.
@nikitty020 your just really dumb. Its the cold hard truth? prove it ...just prove it...prove that you know that! Go ahead show me and the rest of the world your proof! Thats right you cant,,,so just shut the fuck up
this is why i am not a christian . i just can not believe that my neighbor, although he is one of the most generous self giving people i know and would give up his life for the people he loves will burn forever just because he honestly didn't believe there was a god. i'd rather burn with him then believe that
Love how jeff always gets upset when someone threatens hell,and hes right these people are fantasizing about enjoying watching unbelievers being tortured.
'do you think he has a point or not??', no, I think he is an overgrown child who's outbursts only serve to reveal his bloated pigheaded ego and his small petty mind.
@pompousprick No he's reacting to the absurdity of your belief system. Why can't you just admit your threats of hell are an immoral abomination? Grow some guts coward and tell all the decent, intelligent atheists and non-Christians out there that they deserve to burn FOREVER unless we believe your preposterous claims...
@bwconklin Firstly I am not a Christian, secondly I do not believe in hell where people burn FOREVER. So get your head out of your presumptuous, decent?, intelligent? ass.
@pompousprick You sound just as much as an asshole as the Christians do. You wish death upon him because you disagree? The point is, it is insulting that they walk around threatening people, and honestly believing that if people don't agree, they're fucked in the end. YOU sound like a overgrown child bitching and moaning about the way he presents himself, rather than actually being relevant to the point.
Simple recommendation to those who believe that science is wrong... QUIT USING OUR STUFF!!! Go back to praying to rid yourself of diseases and such so that we can share the fruits of science with those who might appreciate it more.
@dhide14 -Umm...if Jeff Dees is what an 'ugly cunt" looks like, then what ( in your psychological domain and perception), does a pretty or not-so-ugly cunt look like?
My own experience has shown that all cunts are practically identical to one another, with exceptions allowed for hair differences or maybe variant labia masses.
Militant atheism and christianity wont EVER! convince the other your way of thought is more correct.
THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT is to sit down...shut up and listen- and KINDLY!!! (cant stress kindly enough) KINDLY! share your view. then and only then if you dont see eye to eye...go your separate ways
@dumbcube69 That's not true. I deconverted through reading and hearing lots of belligerent atheists attacking me. I have doubts that people that get easily offended against attacks on their religion will ever deconvert.
With that said, I don't think personally attacking or speculating at other people's intentions or calling people mentally poisoned does any good at all. The Rational Response Squad atheism only reaches those who are on the fence.
@RuinSonic there are always the exceptions i suppose...but for the most part kindly talking about it over lunch or somethin is the best way to go...no one gets mad and your both still friends at the end of the day
@dumbcube69 I agree. But sometimes it takes a little bit of harshness to get a point across. But TAA is a different format than friends having a cup of tea together. There is a limited amount of time and a lot of bullshit callers and there is an audience. But one on one I definitely agree that's a better way to go. I don't go around and yell at theists, nor would I even if I could. Online is a different format as well. People are more willing to speak their mind and aren't as offended.
@dumbcube69 "..also the internet breeds hostility in a way..."
It does, but it also can breed other things that aren't possible if you aren't born in a particular environment. I get pretty hostile sometimes, but not towards people. I don't hate people. I just hate stupid. It's really hard to say if people are just hostile or if it is really breading hostility because I notice myself being a lot more hostile towards religion after watching stuff, but not towards people.
@RuinSonic first here we must define stupid...if stupid is everything you believe to be a waste of time...then there are alot of things/people who are stupid...
but if stupid is left to "lacking or marked by lack of intellectual acuity" then that narrows it alot
@dumbcube69 "but if stupid is left to "lacking or marked by lack of intellectual acuity" then that narrows it alot"
I don't mean just stupid as in ignorant. I'd be a fool to hate ignorance in people since I am one myself with respect to many things. It's the ignorance where people already have the answer in mind before considering the evidence for or against something or the rejection to learn or evaluate a claim that could contradict their dear held beliefs.
@RuinSonic ok, alright. so i guess that excludes me. because never have i gotten angry over anything scientific...after all the efforts of science have brought me my computer,xbox, and lets not mention calculators! =P
the only problem i have with science...is when they start tryingg to "play god" examples range from the cloning of animals to the recycling of dead pre-babies on stem cell research
@dumbcube69 "because never have i gotten angry over anything scientific"
Where did I say I got angry over something scientific? I sometimes get angry at psuedoscience claiming to be scientific, but I don't remember saying I get angry over science.
"they start tryingg to "play god""
And we killing animals, using up the earths resources, doing surgeries and prolonging people's lives are not "playing god"?
Don't you realize a lot of your food is genetically engineered? We've been playing God for a long time. I'm not sure how controlling parts of nature is a bad thing.
"to the recycling of dead pre-babies on stem cell research""
Putting the abortion issue aside, what's wrong with using our manipulation of nature and already dead material to use to give people life and body parts back?
@dumbcube69 "i know about it...i just cant stop nor do i know which is which..but i know its happening"
Not sure what part your responding too.
"well it would be a different story if it was your almost son/daughter. wouldnt it?"
If my child was dead it would be no different than organ doners. I specifically avoided the abortion rabbit trail because it's irrelevant if dead people/fetuses or whatever can be used for human benefit. I'm not sure on the science thus far.
@dumbcube69 But for the sake of argument lets say fetuses have to be alive for research which implies they will die because of it and that abortion is wrong in all cases. If a woman who is dead set on aborting a baby has an option to donate the fetus that is like a month or less old or just kill it would would be the worse evil or greater good out of the two? Should we destroy some good by rejecting all evil (of course assuming abortion is always wrong)?
@dumbcube69 "well 1 its good to know you care so little for the body of your son/daughter..."
It's not ok to be a fucken douche just because your passionate about abortion. I was talking about the baby being already dead just as if I was already dead and my organs were donated to others. I never said killing my own children for science was ok.
"2nd killing it and giving it to science is still KILLING IT!"
Yes it is. But why vote against how it's going to die if it is still going to die?
@RuinSonic yeah, and all i did was put that same rules on your son/daughter. now you wanna get mad? see. i told ya it was wrong lol
and why vote against how its going to die if its going to die?....thats MADNESS BRO! just have the kid, let it grow up and have a chance first. dont kill a living human being because u had a 1 night stand with someone now u dont want responsbility
@dumbcube69 "ah, and all i did was put that same rules on your son/daughter. now you wanna get mad?"
No, you misrepresented what I said and then made a claim that I wouldn't care about my son/daughter which btw i don't have any. I don't understand why you would respond in this manner after I just explained what I meant by donating dead babies.
"dont kill a living human being because u had a 1 night stand"
This tells me everything about yourself and how you don't want to understand.
@dumbcube69 Until you can grasp what my argument is there is no reason for me to continue arguing with you. What you just said to me had NOTHING to do with what I was arguing about. I granted that abortion was always wrong, even though i don't think so, and I didn't ever say that developed or born babies should be sent to slaughter or be donated to science and that seems to be what everything your saying is based upon. I said why not choose the lesser evil if the fetus is going to die?
@RuinSonic In other words you aren't going to kill the fetus but if someone else is going to do it and you can't stop it by law why argue against using it for science if it is going to help someone? Why make a law that says don't use fetus's for embryological research when 100% of those fetus's that wouldn't die by science would have been thrown away? If 2 options are bad but one has to occur why not pick the less of the bad option? All your fighting against is who is doing the "wrong."
@dumbcube69 I realize this is a sensitive topic which is why I prefaced this discussion with the fact that I wasn't going to talk about whether or not abortion is wrong and that I wanted to break it down logically by giving you an example of the choice between voting for 2 bad politicians. I am not going to get off topic and go down a long rabbit trail about abortion and what is life and ethics until you answer this my question of should you choose a lesser evil if evil is going to occur.
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Christianity offers an accurate narrative of the realities of the human condition based on demonstrated human behaviors, thoughts and sentiments.... Some people have the ability to come to their own personal recognition of the Bible account to their own circumstances and social realities. Regrettably, there are loads of pple who choose their own delusions by insisting that thousands of generations of human experience (good and bad) are not factually represented in the Bible account.
shieldsff 1 day ago
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Christianity offers an accurate narrative of the realities of the human condition based on demonstrated human behaviors, thoughts and sentiments.... Some people have the ability to come to their own personal recognition of the Bible account to their own circumstances and social realities. Regrettably, there are loads of pple who choose their own delusions by insisting that thousands of generations of human experience (good and bad) are not factually represented in the Bible account.
shieldsff 1 day ago
I've rationalized the idiocy that is "Hell" to Christians for far too long to care anymore. I've brought up valid points and contradictions in the concept, and they never seem to get it. I simply have neither the willpower, nor the desire to fight it anymore.
Now when they threaten me with eternal Hellfire, I just say "Sounds kinky" and leave it at that.
SeedsOfHatred 1 week ago
@SeedsOfHatred ""threaten me with eternal Hellfire""
To threaten you would imply that:
1.They had the power to send u to hell
2. They thought that fear alone would motivate u towards heaven
3. They are telling you this for u sake ALONE when this is a public forum.
None of this is true and therefore at best the alert of hell is a warning for you and at least it is a warning for others.
j919or 1 week ago
@j919or
Same difference.
They pass on this supposed god's threat, and as such ARE threatening you (just on behalf of 'god').
It's the same as when they say being gay is a sin because the bible says so.
It's THEIR bigotry, masked as some god's divine judgement, because IF THEY DIDN'T AGREE or at least CONDONED it then they wouldn't be standing there saying it to our faces.
'just warning you' is the worst cop-out ever, and it doesn't work with anyone with more than a single functional braincell.
Seymour13 4 days ago
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@j919or
If nothing else, voicing such a disgusting threat and then trying to avoid the accountability that comes with stating that just pisses us off all the more.
Some food for thought on hell:
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watch?v=uHWPq8BZauE, watch?v=p0_7vKFAx6Q, watch?v=YDESnQ8VsOQ, watch?v=bjamLaTuQWQ.
watch?v=aIqWMn-8nGY & watch?v=9Rb-vsdrfUQ.
watch?v=cpbwN_4pYnA & watch?v=7A1SxKEronw & watch?v=VmLB8JkisG4.
Seymour13 4 days ago
@j919or
No moral person can swallow the doctrine of hell, let alone telling anyone (especially good people) that they'll burn there for ALL ETERNITY.
Seymour13 4 days ago
How does jesus suffering for 3 days be an equal trade off for everyone's suffering, unless if the punishment was unimaginably minute in time?
How does it equate to an eternity per person? Wouldn't jesus suffering for our sins be him suffering in hell for eternity. I wouldn't wish that on him of course, but according to what god thinks we deserve, 3 days shouldn't cut it... am i right?
jerrypz 1 week ago
Any ideaology that requires threats to those that won't adhere to it's doctrines, is a failed ideaology from the start! =Religion
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lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
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Mankind is due for moving to a higher consciousness plane. The same way the suffering of gazelles killed by lions make the species stronger, the suffering of mankind will help us move to the next consciousness level. A greater good comes for the species. The next level is the rejection of greed, materialism and selfishness. Our current capitalist system need to collapse in order to achieve this. If you're not ready spiritually, and doesn't move up, you'll suffer. This is happening now, seek God.
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
Hell was really created by Justinian at the Synoid COuncil in 567 AD. He decided that AION meant "forever" and that as far as he was concerned that was the end of the story. Hell is bullshit.
chefshitpiece 5 months ago
@chefshitpiece I don't know if what you said is true.
Zentz29 5 months ago
@Zentz29 I would like to direct you to Tentmaker's website There are a number of resources that trace the histiry of the development of the doctrine of eternal punishment. The concept all boils down to the word AION. Funny...so much all hinges on one word.
chefshitpiece 5 months ago
@FUCKSTICK645 He's sort of the Simon of the show
BravoP085 5 months ago
Jeff Dee deserves to burn in hell... lol
AzizRaeesi 5 months ago
lol, I've never before heard the concept of accepting the punishment of hell because that would be the honorable thing to do. Such a good point
magustx 5 months ago
BABEL= Buying A Belief Etched in Lunacy
JuanchoMan 5 months ago
3:47 to 4:26 is the best bit
jhibbitt1 6 months ago
everyone deserves to go to hell you fucking idiot even other christians deserve to go to hell. but we are saved by the grace of God. if jeff dee gets butthurt so easily then why does he do this show?
if he's an athiest and he's so strong about his athiesm then why does he get insulted so easily? i think he wants to become a christian
Vamp6661 6 months ago
@Vamp666 U sir, are an asshole if you think everybody deserves hell. If you think Hitler and the people he burned to cinders deserve to go to the same place, then your just a fucking asshole. Your the idiot if you don't get why he gets upset about this. If dumbasses like you go to heaven and Jeff Dee doesn't go, then there is no justice :D
shadowmoon55 6 months ago
@Vamp6661 He's trying to make you realize that you worship a God that created a hell. And that he would put perfectly good people in it just because he made them logical enough not to believe in him. If you can still worship him after all that, then you're, and I repeat, an asshole ;)
shadowmoon55 6 months ago 4
@shadowmoon55 you worship him to get out of it. all you have to do is believe and you are saved. i know it sounds weird but you gotta look passed that. you gotta have the mental strength to get off that. and its a fact that assholes like you slander our religion just because of how it makes you feel.
Vamp6661 6 months ago
@Vamp6661 Think for yourself for one fucking second. God gave you the capability to sin and the wages of sin is apparently hell? Can't you see the flaw in that? If your dad tells you to believe he's your dad or he'll lock you up in a basement and torture you forever, would you consider him a good and loving dad? No, he's batshit crazy!!! Still you worship him like he's not..
shadowmoon55 6 months ago
@Vamp6661 I'm sorry I don't have the mental strength to get pass stupidity. Even though I have been vehement towards you, I know there's nothing you could have done that deserves death, let alone eternal torture and I think you know most of us don't deserve death or eternal torture either. Yet God is perfectly willing to send billions of people to hell under the rules he fucking made!! He's not a loving God, he's a dick.
shadowmoon55 6 months ago
@shadowmoon55 please just give him a chance. he's not that bad once you get to know him. he just seems that way because of the way some people make him out to be. im a christian and i have a great life. every time i ask god for something he ACTUALLY gives it to me. Ask and it shall be given unto you. Mathew 7:7. just try him. what have you got to lose?
Vamp6661 6 months ago
@Vamp6661 I have. For twenty years I was under indoctrination. I am happier now and am living a much fuller life than when I was a Baptist and living a lie. Christians always look for a paradise up above, I'm telling you now it doesn't exist. This is the only world we got, why not make it the best possible world as we can instead of holding on to Bronze Age myths. I doubt God give u everything u've ever asked for. And i doubt if he's the one that actually gave you those things. Man, be free.
shadowmoon55 6 months ago
@Vamp6661 I can't tell you how liberating it is to break the bondage of religion. Religion is a cancer that promotes ignorance and intolerance. It is the denial of reality so that faith can be preserved. It curtails investigation because for every unknown, people would tend to insert God as an explanation and give up trying to find out. I also get things that I want. Not because I was in favour of some God, but because I worked for them. That's the power of humanity that religion disregards.
shadowmoon55 6 months ago 13
@shadowmoon55 I had to check to see if I had written that! lol Very well said. I totally agree with every word.
Brenda2OOO 5 months ago
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I suspect UR problem is because our Creator God must be revealed & cannot be "proven" to someone who seeks a narrow, modernist, skeptical, materialist proof (because this Creator is, by definition, Transcendent to His creation(not a finite entity in His own creation). According to what we believe about the LORD, He will NEVER make Himself known to anyone who is arrogant, proud & full of their own self-centered conceit. Have you read "Mere Christianity" ? God respects the free will
shieldsff 1 day ago
And where is the logic over being tortured forever and ever until the end of time if you are going to judged over a short period of time? I couple of years compared to forever? WTFIGO ?
Crave88evarC 6 months ago
These Videos debunk Man Made Religions, not the possible existence of a Creator. The comparison to Santa & the Easter bunny is correct in that case.
So how can you be so smug with yourself disproving the Easter Bunny?
Thats a No Brainer. Your IMPLICATION that this disproves a God however is dead wrong. You cannot show No Creator by showing there is not a Santa Claus.
Texmurphy51 7 months ago
@Texmurphy51
You're right. God's existence can't be proven. Nor can it be disproven. However, an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence.
Also, I've always believed that if there was a god like being... He/She/It is nothing like what any of the world's religions hypothesize.
wl0883 7 months ago
@wl0883 "extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence."
Religion is Myth, the god they claim is an omnicient superman, an obvious projection of man.
The show how our Universe was created requires extraordinary evidence & the latest science says it has No Clue, only speculation. Multiverse, Bubble Universes, etc.
Who can say our Universe was not created by an intelligence?
What if we become intelligent enough to create a bubble universe?
Would Atheists there deny it was Created?
Texmurphy51 7 months ago
@Texmurphy51
But saying that intelligence created our universe is speculation as well. At this time, we don't know. And we might not find out in our lifetimes. But currently, the Big Bang is the best explaination.
And saying that everything is created by intelligence is no different than the fanatical fucktards who claim their way is the right way.
wl0883 7 months ago
@wl0883 "But saying that intelligence created our universe is speculation as well"
Of Course it is but to these videos dismiss the concept based on incorrect Religions is crazy.
There are very fiew "fanatical fucktards" & no video will change their mind. There are fanatical Atheists also who want to legislate all Religion, public or private out of existence. Their Religion is as strong as the Theists.
Organized Atheism is as much a Religion as organized Theism.
Texmurphy51 7 months ago
@Texmurphy51 You are correct. i cannot prove beyond a doubt that something does not exist. Just as you cannot disprove that pink squirrels live on Jupiter. But once I claim that said squirrels exist and can provide no evidence they do, the burden of proof is on me to prove they do. The fact that you cannot prove they don't lends no credence to my claim. (perhaps the live in holes under the surface and are invisible)
CapnHolic 6 months ago
@CapnHolic Pink Sqarls on Jupiter is a strawman argument. You are trying to take a know myth & equate that to an Unknown factor.
Since we cannot prove Dark Matter exists is it like a pink squirrel also?
The gods of man made Religions are Myth but to disprove them does not disprove the possibility that our Universe was Created by an intelligence. To Believe this beyond a doubt is itself a Religion.
This is why Atheist press their Belief System on others as Theists do.
Texmurphy51 6 months ago
@Texmurphy51 You miss the point. To make a claim and be believed I must have proof. if I have no evidence my claim has no bearing.
It is impossible to disprove anything exists. Hence my pink squirrel argument. It can not be dis proven, or proven. So the logical mind will not believe without proof.
For one to believe anything told without any evidence is to live foolishly.
CapnHolic 6 months ago
@CapnHolic "For one to believe anything told without any evidence is to live foolishly"
There is no evidence of ET life, Dark Matter, Dark Energy, Multiverse, Parallel Universes, extra Dimensions (string theory),... many others including what conditions Existed before the Universe Existed.
These are all occam's razor ideas to explain an unknown.
Now, do you compare all these to pink squirrels too????
You are simply dismissing creation out of hand because you dont BELIEVE in it.
Texmurphy51 6 months ago
@Texmurphy51 alright man just listen this is the easiest way to put this........dark matter, energy PU theroy extra dimensions are only theroys and there not believed simply BASED on weather someone said its there or not there investigated.......same reason we dont teach about thouse things in school cause there not confermed facts at all........creation how ever has ABSOLUTELY NO evidence and NO amount of believe makes something true.....at all.....so man i will dismiss it very easily
Xlivesforever 5 months ago
@Xlivesforever Dark matter/energy are hypothesis to fit a current theory Mathmatical theory of how our Universe operates. They are the Occams Razor explanation.
This is all fancy terms for what some Believes to be true.
Theists Believe God to be True.
Athests Believe God is not True.
As for no evidence, NO amount of Evidence, no matter what, will convince you of a Creator.
Thats why you dismiss it very easily. Any proof will be explained away.
That does not make your correct.
Texmurphy51 5 months ago
@Texmurphy51 um dude i could list all different kinds of evidence that i would accept for the existance for a creator......you hear me all freakin day....just to name a few how about god coming down just simply saying hey i created this and then preform some creation ya know like make a rock or a tree pop out of thin air or something......how about a religion that is moral and not one based on applogizing for a god that sends people to hell for not loving him.....on and on and on i could go
Xlivesforever 5 months ago
@Xlivesforever "um dude i could list all different kinds of evidence"
Your evidence requires a Personal God, the kind of myth religion. You require a miracle because your paradigm is man made Religion & your obvious hate of them.
The universe could have simply been created by intelligent being(s) & simply that. Your comparison to mans Religions is non sequitur.
Again, you would explain away any evidence presented because of your Beliefs.
Texmurphy51 5 months ago
@Texmurphy51 no dude you just dont see to get it your logic is backwards on that last point with renders the hole thing moot.....i dont explain away evidence cause of my believes i explain away believes based on evidence presented to me that its all ive never seen
ANY evidence for a creator or god or heaven or hell or any of it and im and being mad......well being mad in santa claus would be a waste of time cause i dont think he exists so its a massive wast of time to be mad at god
Xlivesforever 5 months ago
@Texmurphy51 if you want to know what im mad at try this people who threaten me or bribe me.....hey believe in this or youll go to hell.....hey believe in this and ill give you eternal happiness in heaven....thats a threat and a bribe right there and both are wrong as for a creator....well what in your opinion does it have to be a who....the word who already assumes there a god or some higher being why shut out all the other explinations for the beingings of everything seriously dude
Xlivesforever 5 months ago
@Xlivesforever "people who threaten me or bribe me"
That happens at every level. Dems have been trying to scare seniors that their SS & Medicare will stop if they dont keep them in office. They bribe welfare saying they will keep them in cellphones & big screen tvs.
I dont shut out other creation senerios. I simply say to exclude creation is not Science. Pre Big Bang conditions are unknown. Only those with a Belief System will exclued ALL other possibilities. These are Theists & Atheists.
Texmurphy51 5 months ago
@Texmurphy51 just because other people are being bribed or threatened doesnt make religions bribe or threat any less rediculous....and seeing as there talking about money and tvs and what have you theres no way in hell (forgive the expression) that thats on the same level as eternal happiness or eternal torture.......seriously dude stop defending these people there complete assinine morons that think threatening and bribing people is ok
Xlivesforever 5 months ago
@Xlivesforever "just because other people are being bribed"
I am not defending Religion, just saying its not a problem on the level of current Politics.
Your average church goer is not intimdated by the idea of hell.(exceptions of bible thumpers)
The fire & brimstone days are over for the most part.
Do you think the sharp increase of crime & murder in the US is because of the fear of Hell?
Besides, my original point is that mans Religion has no connection with a possible creator.
Texmurphy51 5 months ago
@Texmurphy51 A) just because its not a problem on the current level of politics doesnt make it right
B) just because your not intimidated by the idea of hell doesnt mean its wrong to thing someone is going to go there
C) there has been no sharp increase of crime theres been a sharp increase of what we consiter crime over the last 100 years or so.....
and D) it really doesnt matter weather mans religion has any connection with a creator you still cant prove in anyway that he exists
Xlivesforever 5 months ago
@Xlivesforever
A) If your Really an Atheist then you Believe there are no absolute right/wrongs.
B) proof of point A
C) Violent crimes have gone up, look up the stats.
D) Not trying to prove it, YOU are trying to disprove itl. It is what it is, Possible. Just as ETs & Dark Matter/Energy are possible. Non have prove only a hypothesis.
Texmurphy51 4 months ago
@Texmurphy51 and seriously getting back to this original point of yours there not trying to (DISPROVE) as you say...a god or creator.....thay have seen no evidence to prove that theres a creator and the callers are the ones claiming thay can prove it....if thay get solid prove they will be the first to admit they were wrong seriously dude
Xlivesforever 5 months ago
@Xlivesforever
A. My comparisons was to show you Religion is not the most important problem in the world.
B. Atheism has the threat of No Heaven, shocking to some believers.
C. Violent crime has increased in the past 20 yrs, not just percerption.
D. If it cant be proven why do Atheists insist that people Believe in No God.
All the videos I see are an attempt to DISPROVE man made Religions. The idea is extended to all ideas of Creation. Organized Belief in No God is a Religion.
Texmurphy51 5 months ago
@Texmurphy51 how do any of the 4 points relate to each other?
Atheists have no need to disprove anything, it's up to believers to prove their god or gods existance.
gleehmee 4 months ago
@gleehmee "Atheists have no need to disprove anything"
Then why all the videos & lectures? Why is Jeff Dee trying so hard to disprove God?
Theists have no need to prove or disprove anything either.
They do so to spread their Religion as do Atheists.
Atheists do so using Youtube, organizations like Atheists International. Secular World magazine.
The 4 points were to answer other posts accusations.
This is
Texmurphy51 4 months ago
@Texmurphy51 You obviously don't know enough about the show. The show exists to let other atheists know they are not alone in a world somewhat intolerant towards them. These clips on youtube are just uploads by fans of bits that amuse them or make them think.
Atheism is not a religion it is a single stance on a single issue: god, or no god? They have no shared dogma, rules, goals, opinions or teachings related directly to the atheism.
I'm a christian, but I enjoy this show!
gleehmee 4 months ago
@gleehmee "The show exists to let other atheists"
If that were true than they would not take calls from Theists trying to show they are wrong
The format is the same as the 700 Club on TV
"no shared dogma, rules, goals, opinions"
Really, I get the same argument, logic, analogies from every Atheist I post
Your dogma is Belief in No God
Goals is to remove all Religion from public view & replace with Secularism.
These videos are like teaching from a preachers pupit.
These guys tour also, right?
Texmurphy51 4 months ago
@Texmurphy51 the theists call THEM, they don't demand it.
I AM NOT AN ATHEIST so that is in no way "my" dogma. besides, you don't know what dogma IS. dogma is not simple statment of belief.
also, no, the show itself doesn't tour.
If it's logic you get from atheists WHY do you expect any other answer? you can't beat proper logic XD
Are you honestly claiming you think logic is bad?
gleehmee 4 months ago
Texmurphy51 4 months ago
@Texmurphy51 you can't create an image of nothing. as the image of that nothing is the image of every other nothing in non-existance.
Look up the details of dogma yourself, this is the internwet, wikipedia and google are just clicks away.
What you have posted here is not logic so you don;'t "challenge them with logic" at least not a pure form of it.
Disbelief is not belief in the opposite, how's that semantics?
what have darkmatter or ETs got to do with creation? wouldn't they exist in creation?
gleehmee 4 months ago
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@gleehmee "you can't create an image of nothing"
Why would I? Whats that got to do with anything?
"Look up the details of dogma "
Dogma - "A principle or belief or a group of them"
Atheist Believe in No God, their Dogma
"Disbelief is not belief" - Thank you for that admission, most Atheists tell me they are NOT the same.
I compare ETs & Dark Matter to Creation because all are in our imagination with NO PROOF.
Do you reject ET & D.M. as you do Creation?
Texmurphy51 4 months ago
Athiests don't deserve to go to hell, but if you reject Jesus Christ you'll go there.
Believe and repent. Be blessed.
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@teddybeartoe
Fuck Jesus Christ.
wl0883 7 months ago
@qbe9584 The formal gathering to discuss ones Religion is a Ritual or Mass, see atheistalliance(dot)org or firstchurchofatheism(dot)com, this video.
If there are Anti-Theists then there are Anti-Atheists who make claim there is a God, (both minorities)
Then the Theists Believe in a God but dont or seldom practice the religion.
HOWEVER both Atheists & Theists are part of & promote their respective Religions.
The difference is Theists are not trying to legislate Atheism out of existence.
Texmurphy51 7 months ago
@Texmurphy51
You are wrong on so many levels. Atheist simply means "Without belief in a God or Gods, or lack of belief in a God or Gods". That's it. The word Anti-theist means"One opposed to belief in the existence of god, and/or opposed to religion". Religion is defined as "The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods." By your logic, how does that make atheism a religion. That's an oxymoron.
666mamakoala 7 months ago
@666mamakoala sez "Atheist simply means "Without belief in a God or Gods"
One cannot be without Belief.
A stone can be without Belief.
You have 2 choices, Believe in a God, Belief in NO God.
"Religion is defined as "The belief in and worship of a superhuman"
Incorrect, Religion does not need a God or superhuman power, It is simply a Belief System on how the Universe was created & functions.
Are we going to stick to dictionary definitions of made up ones like Anti-Theism?
Texmurphy51 7 months ago
@Texmurphy51
No, fucktard.
Atheism is a lack of belief in god. Is bald a hairstyle?
wl0883 7 months ago
@wl0883
Bald is a hairstyle is a strawman argument, just as most of those Atheist Semantic analogies.A a hairstyle is defined as .."A style in which hair is cut and arranged"
Have you ever heard of skinheads? They have their hair cut off as their Hairstyle.
So YES bald is a hairstyle.
Texmurphy51 7 months ago
@Texmurphy51
Did I say skinheads? You think dudes who go bald because they got dealt a bad genetic hand choose to?
That's what I'm trying to get across.
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Texmurphy51 7 months ago
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@wl0883 You said bald, nothing about genetics. This is the problem with these vague analogies, they dont fit.
How does a genetically bald man to a hairstyle, show an analogy of a person who Believes in No God to Atheism valid?
Your Belief System is a choice, not an inheritence.
Texmurphy51 7 months ago
@Texmurphy51 I'm going to try to make this as simple as possible.
You go around telling everyone you own a $300,000 Ferrari. People might believe you and they might not. Now, let's say you tell everyone that your annual household income after taxes is $70,000. Common sense would say you can't afford a Ferrari on your income. But you continue to tell people you have one in your garage. No one has seen it.
So the position that a rational person would assume is that your Ferrari (continued)
wl0883 7 months ago
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wl0883 7 months ago
@Texmurphy51
that you claim is in your garage probably isn't there. You might be involved in criminal activity or some other shady activities and might be able to afford a $300,000 car. Who knows? But based on available evidence, people will assume that your garage is missing the car you claim you own.
wl0883 7 months ago
@wl0883 Cute story but your analogy is a crude comparison to man made Religion.
All man made Religions are MYTHS. Their personal gods are superhero creations.
This however has NOTHING to do with how our Universe was created.
What happend pre Big Bang is Unknow to Science or any Scientific theory. (its all guesses with no math)
This means a theory of Creation is as valid as No Creation
This means an organized Belief for either side is a Religion.
Is that simple enough for you?
Texmurphy51 7 months ago
We like doing a video show where we argue with people about their Belief in an obvious man made myth, (Religion) in order to get them to Believe in our Religion.
One that says we Believe in No Creator.
We dont have information on how the Universe came in existence, but based on disproving man created myths, we Believe that there is No God. (WHAT?)
Thats like showing no Flying Saucers exists by no evidence, then saying that proves there is no life on other planets.
There is no connection.
Texmurphy51 8 months ago
@Texmurphy51
"We like doing a video show where we argue with people about their Belief in an obvious man made myth, (Religion) in order to get them to Believe in our Religion.
One that says we Believe in No Creator."
Atheism is not a religion. Atheism is not believing in deities due tot he lack of evidence. It is only a rational and logical state since there is not a single evidence for the existence of deities. It says nothing about how the universe came to be.
Atharkas 7 months ago
@Atharkas "Atheism is not believing in deities due tot he lack of evidence"
Atheism is Believing in No Creator based on disproving man made Myth Religion.
"not a single evidence for the existence of deities"
There is not a shread of evidence for ET life but we dont discount that offhand.
The evidence is in the eye of the BELIEVER.
Atheist Religion has its own Belief System, so evidence is ignored just as Theists do.
Pre Big Bang is unknown so you cant assume no creation.
Texmurphy51 7 months ago
No, atheism is not believing in deities due to the lack of evidence. That's the definition.
"There is not a shread of evidence for ET life but we dont discount that offhand."
It is irrelevant to the question of the existence of deities.
"The evidence is in the eye of the BELIEVER."
A believer has faith in things. Faith implies believing without evidence, ergo, evidence is the enemy of the believer.
"Atheist Religion has its own Belief System,"
Nope, just not believing without evidence.
Atharkas 7 months ago
@Texmurphy51
"Pre Big Bang is unknown "
So you can't assume creation either.
Atharkas 7 months ago
@Atharkas I am not assuming creation. I simply say it is possible dispite all the rants of this & other websites.
Those Atheists who Believe in No God, organize & prostilize their Belief System belong to a Religion.
It is the same as Theism, Belief with no Proof
Texmurphy51 7 months ago
@Texmurphy51
What you describe is anti-theism, not atheist.
Learn your definition.
Anti-theism : Against religions, makes the claim there is no deities.
Atheism : Do not believe in deities due to the lack of evidence.
And yes, you assume creation because you can't accept the answer "we don't know yet"..
Atharkas 7 months ago
@Atharkas "What you describe is anti-theism, not atheist"
Ha Ha another semantic trick.
All the Atheists tell me that Atheism is A-Theism, or anti Theism, now you tell me different.
By your definition all these vids are Anti-Theist.
"Atheism : Do not believe in deities due to the lack of evidence"
Thats a Belief System just as Theism, They Believe creation because the FIND evidence.
Each is in the eye of the beholder. Atheist Religion is similar to Theist Religions
Texmurphy51 7 months ago
@Texmurphy51
And as usual Tex you fail on basic comprehension of english.
Atheist means NOT believing due to the lack of evidence.
Anti-Theist means making the claim there is no deity.
The Atheist experience videos only debunks the fairy tales, that's all.
And again, a religion involves one or several deities, rituals, religious leaders and holy books. Atheism has none of those. If you can't understand something that simple then I guess it's normal you need to worship a fictional character.
Atharkas 7 months ago
@Atharkas "Atheist means NOT believing due to the lack of evidence"
Really?
What difference does it make as to the reason to Believe in No God?
Neither Atheist nor your so called Anti-Theist Believe in a God.
I have already stated that Man Mad Religion that AE debunks is a Myth.
This however has no connection with how the Universe was created.
The implication is that since Religion is incorrect, there is No Creator.
An organize Belief in No God is a Religion.
Organize Atheism=Religion
Texmurphy51 7 months ago
"What difference does it make as to the reason to Believe in No God?"
Atheist do not make the claim there is no deities, anti-theist do. One has evidence of that, the other not.
"An organize Belief in No God is a Religion."
Nope, a religion involves deities, rituals, holy texts and leading figures. As such, atheism has nothing of those.
Heck, atheism is not even an organization, it's just a qualitative of one who do not believe in deities due to the lack of evidence. It's rational thinking.
Atharkas 7 months ago
@Atharkas Your Anti-Theist catagory is a new creation to try & wall up the Religion aspect of Atheism.
What you term Atheist by your definition are Agnostics, why dont you call yourself that?
I can tell you that I have posted a lot of Atheists & NON before you claim to be Anti-Theists.
Religion does not have to have a god or diety, Buddism, Taouism, etc.
Atheism Does have rituals, texts (philosophy), leading figures, prostilizism etc.
Atheism is world organize, .atheistalliance(dot)org
Texmurphy51 7 months ago
"What you term Atheist by your definition are Agnostics, why dont you call yourself that?"
Nope, agnostics just don't know if there are deities or not.
Taoists worship of the great immortals, in bhuddism there is still the "eternal buddhas" and a sense of worship toward them.
"Atheism Does have rituals, texts (philosophy), leading figures, prostilizism etc."
Prove it. Remember, atheism is only not believing in deities due to the lack of evidence, anything outside of that is NOT part of atheism.
Atharkas 7 months ago
Atheistalliance is a regroupment of people who think beyond the religious veil and try to remove the stigmas bigots like you have of those who do not worship a deity.
Why should they not unite when religious zealots get in position of power to impose their ban on science and education because it makes their fairy tales false? Until you prove your deity's existence, you have no right to judge those who do not worship it or pass that delusion to your children(which would be lying to them).
Atharkas 7 months ago
@Texmurphy51
Also, you just made the claim there was evidence of creation. Now you have the burden of proof. Either prove your point by presenting these evidence or admit it's just your opinion and, as such, as nothing to do with reality.
Atharkas 7 months ago
yes the "you deserve to go to hell because you're not in our club" is chilidish, stupid and people are assholes for saying it, but really its no different to having a mild argument with a stranger in public and they insult u, u shouldnt get bothered by it, u'll never see them again, i hope he copes ok in situations like that
jhibbitt1 8 months ago
I think Jeff gets too hung up on this one point at times.
Just because someone believes something terrible will happen to someone doesn't mean they believe it SHOULD happen.
And as for the question "Why worship him?", most people would sacrifice their principles and worship someone if they believe that failure to do so will result in eternal torment.
It's just as ****ed up as Jeff thinks, but bringing the point up at every occasion won't convince many people.
EmperorZ19 8 months ago
@EmperorZ19 Yes, actually they DO believe it SHOULD happen. And if they DOn'T believe it should happen? Then they should stop being a part of a religion that says that. Christianity says we are ALL horrible, evil, dastardly people that deserve eternal torture purely for being humans. And not only that, but only christians can get into heaven.
If a poll says that christians think atheists can get into heaven, then the christians who said that aren't actually subcribing to the bible at all.
BigLundi 8 months ago
@BigLundi Membership in a religion is not necessarily liking its message, it's believing that its message is true. Christians have been taught to believe that non-believers are sent to Hell. They see that as an absolute, regardless of whether they like it to not.
If people always rejected beliefs because they didn't like the implications, then the fire and brimstone fear-based approach to recruitment wouldn't exist.
EmperorZ19 8 months ago
@EmperorZ19 Why call yourself something you don't completely subscribe to? As Ken Ham said, "If you're going to take out Genesis, why not take out the rest of the bible?"
Christians are taught that atheists DESERVE To go to hell(just like everyone else) and not only that, but we're just 'fools' who are 'blind' to the 'fact' of christianity. If they DON'T think we deserve to go to hell, then they have two options. Stop being christians, or accept that their god's a douchebag for doing it.
BigLundi 8 months ago
@BigLundi They're not denying that non-believers are damned, they just don't like that it happens.
Again, consider the fact that fear-based recruiting exists. It works BECAUSE it's unpleasant. Thus, religious belief is not always based on likability. They're unlikely to admit that God is a douchebag however. Maybe they think his good outweighs his bad, or their indoctrinated mind simply won't allow them to consider obviously blasphemous ideas.
EmperorZ19 8 months ago
@EmperorZ19 But WHY are we going to hell is the thing? The REASON we're going to hell, according to the bible, is because we're human. We think lustful thoughts, we don't like some people, blah blah blah, all these are sins against god, therefore, we DESERVE To go to hell.
The REASON we go to hell is because we're horrible despicable people. That's what the christian religion says.
Yeah, they can not like the reason, but they still believe the reason.
BigLundi 8 months ago
Jeff is awesome. His eyebrows make him look like a cartoon character though.
chantervz 8 months ago
Jeff Dee is so gangster! I love the guy! Let others 'kill em with kindness' while you continue to kill em with logic, Jeff!
314Aurelius 8 months ago
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xKoruunx 9 months ago
B.I.B.L.E. = Buying Into Brutal Lies and Egotism
Brenda2OOO 9 months ago 34
@Brenda2OOO
Substitute "Bullshit" for "Brutal". :D
wl0883 7 months ago
@Brenda2OOO I prefer Kingheathen's phrase of Buy Bull.
CapnHolic 6 months ago
@Brenda2OOO: B.I.B.L.E. = Beelzebub Induces Blasphemy, Leave Eden
CntrBrdr 5 months ago
If you go to Hell, you're trapped forever in never ending torment. If you go to Heaven, you'll be bound to worship someone forever. And someone you fear and despise at that. Who would want to go through something like that? How is that bliss? And even if that was one's preference, what about if you were the one in Heaven, but the rest of your friends and family were in Hell? Would you still enjoy paradise?
Vexille1983 9 months ago
@Vexille1983 its like the on TV when you see a bully with only like 3 friends that hate him and only hang out with him to avoid bringing down his torment on them. they have to sit there and agree with everything he says. THAT is god :P
itsuyo211 9 months ago
I love this guy. Know why? Because he kind of scares me. Look at his face! Now put it with his voice! He could be the joker for a batman movie!
HooDFoX2021 9 months ago
I attended catholic school as a child and when I was in second grade the nuns taught us that any child who was not catholic would go to hell. That ment all my friends who wern't catholic were going to hell. I could not believe that and at 7 years old I began to question and reject many of their teachings. Of course I could not speak up because I was too afraid of the angry penquins with the rulers.
crystalheart9 9 months ago
They tell children about hell, what a shitty thing to do.
breaneainn 10 months ago
@breaneainn What better way to scare them into submission? I mean, depending on age, the threat of thought crimes from santa will wear off eventually. Have to lay the ground work early.
mistereveready 10 months ago
@mistereveready lol!
breaneainn 10 months ago
Use a hell threat on Jeff Dee and he'll come at you like a pit bull. I can't say I blame him as "hell" is far and away the most evil idea ever conceived. That it is an integral part of Christianity perfectly illustrates how fucked up that religion is.
sweetsweatyfeet 10 months ago 5
I agree with, & support Jeff on his views about these Xians who use the hell threats, and agree with how he deals with such people. But what really bothers me about these people who believe that hell is real & use it as a threat against those who simply don't believe, is that virtually none of them has ever given any serious thought as to what kind of being would inflict such a horror on other sentient beings! These Xians just accept it & approve, never questioning the evilness of such an act.
Cootabux 10 months ago
this show proves the state that America is in. now, over here in England things are far from perfect, but we have got over religion. its not that there is no religion, but that people don't care about your beliefs. you can be anything you want and avoid prejudice. when i went on a work trip to America and stated i was atheist, i was very surprised at the response i got. something that would never happen in England.
KatTheFrog 10 months ago
No, I don't care enough about what random strangers say to get offended about someone saying I should be in-prisoned on a moon in jupiter, only truly insecure people would be offended over that....
musevash 10 months ago
hell isnt a threat its the truth. cold hard truth. theyre probably just trying to get u back for making a show all about bashing christians who have done nothing to u, just because u have nothing better to do with your life. funny how u can say things about us but we cant say anything about u. serves u right for lying to the public.
nikitty020 10 months ago
@nikitty020
Aww, so hell is real and true? Great, so lets enter it into the academic peer review arena, please cite your sources sir. Bible is not proof of hell.
Have fun.
JamesCizuz 10 months ago 16
@nikitty020 your just really dumb. Its the cold hard truth? prove it ...just prove it...prove that you know that! Go ahead show me and the rest of the world your proof! Thats right you cant,,,so just shut the fuck up
fermos11111 10 months ago
this is why i am not a christian . i just can not believe that my neighbor, although he is one of the most generous self giving people i know and would give up his life for the people he loves will burn forever just because he honestly didn't believe there was a god. i'd rather burn with him then believe that
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pompousprick 11 months ago
Love how jeff always gets upset when someone threatens hell,and hes right these people are fantasizing about enjoying watching unbelievers being tortured.
Whatever4690 11 months ago
I love God.
I touch myself when I think of him.
Is that bad?
erushbass 1 year ago
'the hell thing' Jeff's words 0:56...lol
'do you think he has a point or not??', no, I think he is an overgrown child who's outbursts only serve to reveal his bloated pigheaded ego and his small petty mind.
pompousprick 1 year ago
@pompousprick No he's reacting to the absurdity of your belief system. Why can't you just admit your threats of hell are an immoral abomination? Grow some guts coward and tell all the decent, intelligent atheists and non-Christians out there that they deserve to burn FOREVER unless we believe your preposterous claims...
bwconklin 11 months ago
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pompousprick 11 months ago
@bwconklin Firstly I am not a Christian, secondly I do not believe in hell where people burn FOREVER. So get your head out of your presumptuous, decent?, intelligent? ass.
pompousprick 11 months ago
@pompousprick
OK I apologize. It seems I may have you confused. Sorry
bwconklin 11 months ago
@pompousprick You sound just as much as an asshole as the Christians do. You wish death upon him because you disagree? The point is, it is insulting that they walk around threatening people, and honestly believing that if people don't agree, they're fucked in the end. YOU sound like a overgrown child bitching and moaning about the way he presents himself, rather than actually being relevant to the point.
KittyzKatterz 11 months ago
@KittyzKatterz Blah, blah, blah,....hypocrite.
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pompousprick 1 year ago
What a load of bullshit Jeff, you coerce callers towards the hell thing so you can put on your little tough boy show and feel big about yourself.
Hell or no hell, the world will be a better place the day you drop dead.
pompousprick 1 year ago
@pompousprick 'the hell thing' ...lol. do you think he has a point or not??
andthereisntone 1 year ago
Fear is the Mind Killer, its the little death that brings total obliteration
bringonthewrath 1 year ago
believe in Jesus or burn forever in hell
fuckmania07 1 year ago
@fuckmania07 I'll keep your seat warm for you.
TheTomtompiper 1 year ago
Simple recommendation to those who believe that science is wrong... QUIT USING OUR STUFF!!! Go back to praying to rid yourself of diseases and such so that we can share the fruits of science with those who might appreciate it more.
yourjunk420 1 year ago 2
Pack your SPF Jeff......you are the type of person Hell was designed for. Hope you enjoy it you ugly cunt
dhide14 1 year ago
@dhide14 -Umm...if Jeff Dees is what an 'ugly cunt" looks like, then what ( in your psychological domain and perception), does a pretty or not-so-ugly cunt look like?
My own experience has shown that all cunts are practically identical to one another, with exceptions allowed for hair differences or maybe variant labia masses.
tracer740 1 year ago 3
Book Insists Boy Love Evil...
TungstenV 1 year ago
@brj0207 Nice! Thumbs up! Here is my take on your comment.
B.I.B.L.E. - Batshit Insane Book Legendarily Erroneous
Or
B.I.B.L.E. - Best Inspirational Book Loved Eternally
You be the judge.
dcr10391 1 year ago
@dcr10391 ya, I just like my because it sounds like an actual sentence.
brj0207 1 year ago
Hell=Hades=Valhalla=Candy Land.
CommanderC4 1 year ago
Militant atheism and christianity wont EVER! convince the other your way of thought is more correct.
THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT is to sit down...shut up and listen- and KINDLY!!! (cant stress kindly enough) KINDLY! share your view. then and only then if you dont see eye to eye...go your separate ways
dumbcube69 1 year ago
@dumbcube69 That's not true. I deconverted through reading and hearing lots of belligerent atheists attacking me. I have doubts that people that get easily offended against attacks on their religion will ever deconvert.
With that said, I don't think personally attacking or speculating at other people's intentions or calling people mentally poisoned does any good at all. The Rational Response Squad atheism only reaches those who are on the fence.
RuinSonic 1 year ago
@RuinSonic there are always the exceptions i suppose...but for the most part kindly talking about it over lunch or somethin is the best way to go...no one gets mad and your both still friends at the end of the day
dumbcube69 1 year ago
@dumbcube69 I agree. But sometimes it takes a little bit of harshness to get a point across. But TAA is a different format than friends having a cup of tea together. There is a limited amount of time and a lot of bullshit callers and there is an audience. But one on one I definitely agree that's a better way to go. I don't go around and yell at theists, nor would I even if I could. Online is a different format as well. People are more willing to speak their mind and aren't as offended.
RuinSonic 1 year ago
@RuinSonic agreed...also the internet breeds hostility in a way...which is way i try to avoid topics like this
dumbcube69 1 year ago
@dumbcube69 "..also the internet breeds hostility in a way..."
It does, but it also can breed other things that aren't possible if you aren't born in a particular environment. I get pretty hostile sometimes, but not towards people. I don't hate people. I just hate stupid. It's really hard to say if people are just hostile or if it is really breading hostility because I notice myself being a lot more hostile towards religion after watching stuff, but not towards people.
RuinSonic 1 year ago
@RuinSonic first here we must define stupid...if stupid is everything you believe to be a waste of time...then there are alot of things/people who are stupid...
but if stupid is left to "lacking or marked by lack of intellectual acuity" then that narrows it alot
dumbcube69 1 year ago
@dumbcube69 "but if stupid is left to "lacking or marked by lack of intellectual acuity" then that narrows it alot"
I don't mean just stupid as in ignorant. I'd be a fool to hate ignorance in people since I am one myself with respect to many things. It's the ignorance where people already have the answer in mind before considering the evidence for or against something or the rejection to learn or evaluate a claim that could contradict their dear held beliefs.
RuinSonic 1 year ago
@RuinSonic ok, alright. so i guess that excludes me. because never have i gotten angry over anything scientific...after all the efforts of science have brought me my computer,xbox, and lets not mention calculators! =P
the only problem i have with science...is when they start tryingg to "play god" examples range from the cloning of animals to the recycling of dead pre-babies on stem cell research
but thats just me
dumbcube69 1 year ago
@dumbcube69 "because never have i gotten angry over anything scientific"
Where did I say I got angry over something scientific? I sometimes get angry at psuedoscience claiming to be scientific, but I don't remember saying I get angry over science.
"they start tryingg to "play god""
And we killing animals, using up the earths resources, doing surgeries and prolonging people's lives are not "playing god"?
RuinSonic 1 year ago
@dumbcube69 "cloning of animals"
Don't you realize a lot of your food is genetically engineered? We've been playing God for a long time. I'm not sure how controlling parts of nature is a bad thing.
"to the recycling of dead pre-babies on stem cell research""
Putting the abortion issue aside, what's wrong with using our manipulation of nature and already dead material to use to give people life and body parts back?
RuinSonic 1 year ago
@RuinSonic i know about it...i just cant stop nor do i know which is which..but i know its happening
and as far as the sliceing and dicing of dead babies issue...well it would be a different story if it was your almost son/daughter. wouldnt it?
dumbcube69 1 year ago
@dumbcube69 "i know about it...i just cant stop nor do i know which is which..but i know its happening"
Not sure what part your responding too.
"well it would be a different story if it was your almost son/daughter. wouldnt it?"
If my child was dead it would be no different than organ doners. I specifically avoided the abortion rabbit trail because it's irrelevant if dead people/fetuses or whatever can be used for human benefit. I'm not sure on the science thus far.
RuinSonic 1 year ago
@dumbcube69 But for the sake of argument lets say fetuses have to be alive for research which implies they will die because of it and that abortion is wrong in all cases. If a woman who is dead set on aborting a baby has an option to donate the fetus that is like a month or less old or just kill it would would be the worse evil or greater good out of the two? Should we destroy some good by rejecting all evil (of course assuming abortion is always wrong)?
RuinSonic 1 year ago
@RuinSonic well 1 its good to know you care so little for the body of your son/daughter...
2nd killing it and giving it to science is still KILLING IT!
dumbcube69 1 year ago
@dumbcube69 "well 1 its good to know you care so little for the body of your son/daughter..."
It's not ok to be a fucken douche just because your passionate about abortion. I was talking about the baby being already dead just as if I was already dead and my organs were donated to others. I never said killing my own children for science was ok.
"2nd killing it and giving it to science is still KILLING IT!"
Yes it is. But why vote against how it's going to die if it is still going to die?
RuinSonic 1 year ago
@RuinSonic yeah, and all i did was put that same rules on your son/daughter. now you wanna get mad? see. i told ya it was wrong lol
and why vote against how its going to die if its going to die?....thats MADNESS BRO! just have the kid, let it grow up and have a chance first. dont kill a living human being because u had a 1 night stand with someone now u dont want responsbility
dumbcube69 1 year ago
@dumbcube69 "ah, and all i did was put that same rules on your son/daughter. now you wanna get mad?"
No, you misrepresented what I said and then made a claim that I wouldn't care about my son/daughter which btw i don't have any. I don't understand why you would respond in this manner after I just explained what I meant by donating dead babies.
"dont kill a living human being because u had a 1 night stand"
This tells me everything about yourself and how you don't want to understand.
RuinSonic 1 year ago
@dumbcube69 Until you can grasp what my argument is there is no reason for me to continue arguing with you. What you just said to me had NOTHING to do with what I was arguing about. I granted that abortion was always wrong, even though i don't think so, and I didn't ever say that developed or born babies should be sent to slaughter or be donated to science and that seems to be what everything your saying is based upon. I said why not choose the lesser evil if the fetus is going to die?
RuinSonic 1 year ago
@RuinSonic In other words you aren't going to kill the fetus but if someone else is going to do it and you can't stop it by law why argue against using it for science if it is going to help someone? Why make a law that says don't use fetus's for embryological research when 100% of those fetus's that wouldn't die by science would have been thrown away? If 2 options are bad but one has to occur why not pick the less of the bad option? All your fighting against is who is doing the "wrong."
RuinSonic 1 year ago
@dumbcube69 I realize this is a sensitive topic which is why I prefaced this discussion with the fact that I wasn't going to talk about whether or not abortion is wrong and that I wanted to break it down logically by giving you an example of the choice between voting for 2 bad politicians. I am not going to get off topic and go down a long rabbit trail about abortion and what is life and ethics until you answer this my question of should you choose a lesser evil if evil is going to occur.
RuinSonic 1 year ago
@RuinSonic good lol. then dont.
if i have a choice between 2 evils...just walk away. i do it all the time lol
dumbcube69 1 year ago