Oyama-karate vs. Taekwondo

[v9c9v]

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[vinnoirawan]

Great fighter Karate.... TOP

[BandakaKush]

Well to be fair, the karate practioner will ussually have the advantage in a karate rules match.

[yuowatcher]

TITLE FAIL.

it is bullshit to compare styles based on kids fight. Vote movie down and my comment up - or vise versa.

[showa30]

Tough guys don't talk who's tough.

[showa30]

Depend on fighters. Tough fighters are tough. Doesn't matter TKD or Kyokushin etc.. There are tough TKD people. There are tough Kyokushin people. There are tough many don't know martial art people. AND There are many many NOT tough TKD, Kyokushin,etc whatever people.

[khairuleven]

@showa30 well said."There are tough many don't know martial art people".gahahahaha

[Minsang1st]

Although it's always the person not the style. Kyokushin Karate's training methods probably would produce way tougher martial artists than taekwondo training methods. Comparing the philosophies of both martial arts, you can see that kyokushin karate is really about toughening the body and mind, not saying that Taekwondo doesn't.

[BeRAd427]

NO RHYTHM

[Maxetkd]

The wtf tkd is not the true tkd i'm doing tkd and I see a really big difference between ITF tkd and WTF tkd. Itf is way better. I don't say that wtf is bad it is just less better. Whatever the martial art it always depent of the fighter.

Peace

[papertiger7]

@Maxetkd WTF is more sport oriented, they use too much pads.

[brazilianspiritzz]

@papertiger7 "W" hat "T" he "F" uck is wrong with WTF? lol. I'm just joking. ur right.

[JaxxDaemon]

why people always hate on TKD ? Every video I see people diss it.

[michinco]

karate always defeats tkd.p:)

but, tkd gets jealous against karate!!!

thats the fact!

[hazza3]

Ok video. The quality sucks.

It looks like they're fighting in Full Contact Karate Rules Sport. Thats harsh lol. I never competed myself but i've seen matches and when those punches land, you can hear the impact from the nose bleed seats.

[RnnKT09]

karate encurta distancia contra o cara do tkd, dai eh soh chudan/shita dzuki e gedan mawashi... \o

[calito0010]

For all of you trying to find which is the best martial art discipline, there is not a better, it depends on the person

[TheDwichagi]

just  hard punching and kicking... no skills and speed... how poor they are...

[TheKetota]

The video picture is not clear other word not good how any one could enjoy to watch this figth?

[lovelessAlx]

they fight better than most adults >_>

[WeI1994]

there is no best style. only best fighter

[s0fw0n]

@WeI1994 I agree with you. A wise statement indeed.

[Jubanuba]

@WeI1994 fake

[psychedashell]

I love aggressive kids, so much enthusiasm.

[jwkungfu1]

This is a good match!

The smaller TKD fighter is a tough little nugget!!

[SuperBluepurple]

28 people do tkd

[ilikewasabe]

lol this is just kids fooling around i dont get it why people are arguing bcoz of this

[gundrag000]

TKD is not easy martial art. it needs good master and teacher.

[lilgrim131]

the smaller ones tough

[bruceqliao]

taekwondo is Sucker than karate, mmm but karate sucks too. Judo owns xD

[DemonTaki]

@bruceqliao WAAAAAAAAAAAAAT, judo is the suckiest of all ._.

karate wins.

[ryanmillerart]

these kids are fighting their asses off! Nice work!

[MSAlex23]

Oyama-Karate = Kyokushin?

[lovelessAlx]

i've fought karate martial artist and i have to say they are agrressive >.>;

and they haved good defence buuuut they are slow SO i beat them every time with my taekwondo skills haha

dumb black belts they just cuz im a lower belt in karate doesn't mean they should let their guard down buut people are like that =.=;

OSU!!!

[kobuden]

@lovelessAlx Ossu... I knocked out several blackbelts by the same reason, many of them are so cocky wearing their dans... haha... I won the first open tournament I entered as a 10th kyu, of course, they didn't know I did 7 years of muay thai before... haha... Ossu!

[AlexManGamer]

OSU

[AskKorean1]

Taekwondo Kid is strong. That kid becomes a teen. He would be dangerous.

[pawer123456789]

hahah Tae Kwon Do boy is good in running :D

[Korean1Pride]

This is how you fight. Taekwondo put out good fight. The kid never gave distance. He kicked and punched. I give Taekwondo Kid 100 percent. He will grow up to be solid good fighter.

[Ratty3198]

@Korean1Pride I completely agree nice windmill kick from the karateka!

[cazaimex]

Nice move the kid pulls off around 0:43.

[fussellmuscle]

Mui Thai, and Boxing for your stand up. Wrestling, and BJJ for the ground.

[brenxxx]

@fussellmuscle

there are more then 500 different styles of martial arts in the world!!! Some you never heard of...and you suggest 4??? Yeah right!

[CarlitoJohnson]

exactly. ther are so many exotic styles. i think mma would be much more exciting to watch, but also deserved to call themselves mma, with more than just those 4 styles. like 90% of all mma fighters are like that. have u never heard of any other arts? or do u wanna tell me they are the best and all others suck? i seriously dont get whats up with that in mma..

[trzcinarowice]

@CarlitoJohnson One who strikes first wins no matter the style.

[ChiStriker]

@CarlitoJohnson mma is close minded

[CarlitoJohnson]

@ChiStriker mma is not close minded, it is well rounded.

it is the most effective fighting system there is (one vs one).

yet i think t here could be more styles in mma.

[ChiStriker]

@CarlitoJohnson mma is extremely close minded, theirs only certain individuals who stand out with different styles. MMA is boxing, bjj and muay thai. Nothing more. Occasional some people know other styles. MMA is NOT the best one vs one fighting system, its the best 1v1 SPORT fighting system (most of the time)

[jrod8496]

@CarlitoJohnson agreed, most of the 'fighters' in MMA lack respect and honor, some of the main chracteristics of a true martial artist. Respect is Key, along with Honor. How can one gain respect? Let alone Honor if he or she does represent themselves in a propper way when it comes martial arts in any form.

[ForDerrick]

@CarlitoJohnson I know this is rather late, but Tai Jitsu, nuff said

[CarlitoJohnson]

@ForDerrick you mean muay thai and brazilian jiu jitsu? yh i love them :D what about them?

[ImIwilliamImI]

@CarlitoJohnson

Mma is not an art.

[CarlitoJohnson]

@ImIwilliamImI no shit smartass :D

i just asked him what he meant with taij jitsu

but whatever man

[ImIwilliamImI]

@CarlitoJohnson

He's probably a ''smartass'' aswell xD

[hazza3]

@CarlitoJohnson Taijutsu. The unarmed form of Ninjutsu. I practiced it years ago til i got my first Blackened Belt and left for Sport Muay Thai :D.

[outsidepers]

@CarlitoJohnson Generally it's that 90% of other arts don't train as hard or realisticaly as certain karate groups, Muay Thai, BJJ, boxers, judoka and roman-greco fighters.

As a result the arts and their practitioners 99% of the time will eat most other fighters from the Ninjutsu and Wing chun camps alive.

[CarlitoJohnson]

@outsidepers sure, that is also what im trying to say usually (not here, but still). full contact is mandatory to build up a real fighter, i mean, how can you expect some traditional kung fu master who has trained like 30yrs to be a total ass kicker, when he has never been in a real fight his whole life? the answer is, he cant do jack, despite the fact that he do all sorts of 720 kicks and all...

thats why i prefer muay thai, boxing etc.

[moominpic]

@CarlitoJohnson When MMA first started out it in UFC it was called MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) because of the mix of different styles. Now it's just basically Muay Thai and JuJitsu "mixed".

[CarlitoJohnson]

@moominpic yh thats pretty much like it i have noticed. i personally dont have a permanent problem with it, but i just wondered, because as you also saw, lyoto machida uses karate very well, so it is not impossible, but the thing is that even "MMA"-gyms usually only teach those 4 arts, so that mma fighters from now on are not getting the opportunity offered to fight in mma with other arts. its just fashion right now, but what the hell, its cool anyways.

[moominpic]

@CarlitoJohnson Yep. I agree. There's an MMA guy in my town called mahmed Khalidov. he's pretty cool, so I ceretainly don't doubt MMA as a system. Just seems a shame that the original idea of seeing how different arts cope with each other has pretty much gone now.

[CarlitoJohnson]

that is like the usualy mixed martial artist what u just named. i love mma, but i dont get why so many refer to exactly these 4 styles. how about karate for standup, judo for clinching and throws and also submissions.

how about kungfu sanda for a standup and sambo for the grappling.

how about tkd for the stand up (adapted to mma) and aikido and ninjutsu for grappling...

i rly dont get it. and when machida walks in with karate, everybody doubts him...seriously mma loses my respect more and more

[fussellmuscle]

@CarlitoJohnson Karate is watered down Mui Thai. I've been looking at a lot of the workouts they do there days. They're copying Mui Thai. Deny it all you want, but it's true.

There's a reason Judo guys don't do well in MMA. HELLO

Look up Sambo vs. BJJ. The Sambo guys lose 10 out o10 matches for a reason.

Get over all the different names, and look at the techniques. The 4 I mentioned work the best.

[CarlitoJohnson]

im sorry, but that is some bullshit

mas oyama is from korea. he was influenced by goju ryu and shotokan karate before he created kyokushin. he never was to thailand. u would rather say that some kicks are from the korean tae kwon do. perhaps he has been also slightly inspired there, but only very little.

and judo doesnt do well in mma, cause their throws are way to gi-relying for that.

sambo has wrestling, judo and striking. on the ground they could pound them and lead to ko

submission not thou

[psychedashell]

@CarlitoJohnson actually he admits in This Is Karate that the thigh kick (Gedan Mawashigeri) comes from Muai Thai. He saw it, liked it, improved on it and now it's a Kyokushin staple. Top marks to the TKD bloke for standing up to that.

[hotpopcorncake]

@fussellmuscle goju ryu style focus on circle moments, in kypkushin kick different from muay thai.

i done both style MT and kyokushin, they just got very different aspect in fighting.

[ikcjjtt]

@fussellmuscle Karate is from Japan, Muay thai is from Thailand- neither master in either country have ever had contact with each other. your history has been watered down.

[aidan92m]

@ikcjjtt its from owkanowa

[QFizzV8Fizz]

@fussellmuscle

LOL

[Jeano777]

@fussellmuscle hahahaha

[ironwarrior77]

for you... not for everyone else though

[dudesrock2]

@fussellmuscle nah if you train in japanese ju jutsu you gain much skill in all areas of striking all areas of grappling , all areas of ground fighting plus the weapon fighting. plus if you took on a big guy with greco roman wrestling you would fail to throw the guy and use the BJJ if you took on a big guy and used his momentum againsnt him like in arts such as judo or ju jutsu you will most likley succeed in throwing them . you should reserch the arts it will benefit you trust me.

[khairuleven]

my friend that beat me in tkd tournament went to a karate tournament and knock the karateka out with a back kick

[Bassai]

@khairuleven Doesn't matter. The same technique is used in Kyokushin as well as Shotokan. Again, it depends on who is fighting, not what style.  Also, what rules are being used.

[khairuleven]

of course.u dont need to tell that.its common sense.just 4 some arrogant martial artist that make their m.a as their religion

[gucci202]

i do tae kwon do ITF and i also do the shukokai style of karate personally i find the karate more effective ... but its also like saying white style of karate is the most effective ? wado ryu ..goju ryu .. shukokai .shito ryu . shotokan ..kyokushin ? .. my shukokai instructor used too do shotokan many years ago and he said it was the worst effective style of karate he ever done and said the stances was too long and you was open too attack far too much !

[Bassai]

@gucci202 I do Shotokan and Kyokushin as well as BJJ. Your teacher most probably went to a bad Shotokan dojo. Like all arts, BJJ included, you have good teachers and bad ones. He most probably went to a bad one. Also, all traditional arts usually have their weaknesses. Its up to you to understand, and then adjust to complete your whole. If you think Shotokan is weak, look at Lyoto Machida, who is a product of both Shotokan and BJJ.

[gucci202]

bassai agree with what your saying but looking at shotokan,s low stances that still makes you open too attack still ..but yet again its true what you say depends how good your instructor is at the style

[Bassai]

Maybe you are thinking of Shotokan basic stance. Shotokan basic stances are very low, but that is for training to strengthen the leg and making sure you are comfortable with a low center of gravity so that you cannot easily be taken to the ground. The Muay Thai stance, is very unstable, especially against grapplers. However, Shotokan fighters are not supposed to fight in basic stances, but in a slightly higher fighting stance. Again, see Lyoto Machida. He uses a Shotokan fighting stance.

[hazard2000]

Lyoto Machida isnt shotokan and BJJ, the shotokan he uses is modified, he is a black belt in BJJ has practiced Judo, Muay Thai and boxing. Shotokan alone can be weak, all karate can be unless you train correctly, alot of karateka practice katas to much and neglect things like focus pads and heavy bag work, which help your conditioning and overall fighting skill much more then Katas, if Lyoto Machidas only striking was karate he wouldnt be in the UFC, well maybe he would but he wouldnt be champ

[Bassai]

@hazard2000 The Shotokan he uses is not modified, its modern. I watch his Karate footwork and training its nothing new. There's Shotokan of the 40's and 50's (pre-tournament style) where everyone was heavy into conditioning and practiced a lot of applications (throws and ground fighting), then 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's sports style Karate altered it and made it weaker (but improved footwork). Thank God for UFC, now many are going back to the original style of practicing real combat Karate.

[hazard2000]

If anything the UFC has made Karate less popular, theres only a few karateka in the UFC and Lyoto Machida is basicaly the only one you can tell that is a Karateka, Karate is basicaly kickboxing when its used in the ring except that it wastes time on stuff like katas the UFC is making karate less and less popular because more people are starting to choose things like Muay Thai and boxing

[Bassai]

@hazard2000 Sorry, I disagree. UFC hasn't made it less popular really, if you could count how many people around the world continue to practice it, as compared to how many people around the world practice MMA. I practice MMA too (Shotokan, Kyokushin and BJJ) and there are still more people in my former Shotokan and Kyokushin dojos, as compared to my current BJJ gym (Matt Serra's, Long Island). UFC isn't a popular competition for Karateka to join, but they are re-exploring kata application.

[Bassai]

@hazard2000 Another reason why I think Boxing and Muay Thai aren't as popular as traditional Karate is because many people don't want to go to the extreme point of full contact fighting, yet want to learn self defense. For example, there are more people who quit in my former Kykoushin dojo (because of hard, full contact) as compared to my former Shotokan dojo (more controlled fighting). I agree that Shotokan and Kyokushin alone aren't enough for UFC, but neither is Boxing or Muay Thai.

[Bassai]

@hazard2000 I would have to disagree with you. There are still more practitioners around the world who practice Shotokan and BJJ if compared to the number MMA practitioners. There were even more people dropping out of my former Kyokushin dojo as compared to my former Shotokan dojo. Its because most people don't want to go to the extremes of full contact fighting, but still want to learn a form of self defense.

[Bassai]

@Bassai Whoops, I mean the number of Shotokan and Kyokushin practitioners around the world as compared to the number of BJJ and MMA practioners. Example: My former Shotokan dojo (JKA, NY) has more members as compared to my current BJJ gym (Matt Serra's Long Island). I don't think Shotokan is weak at all, as it was the only martial art I ever used effectively on the street (and school), before I took Kykushin or BJJ. But I do agree that its not enough for UFC. Neither is Muay Thai / Boxing.

[CarlitoJohnson]

i cannot rly agree with u about karate looking like kickboxing. kyokushin is related to kickboxing, but no other karate style is.

but i agree with ur second point. it does lose popularity. its mma though, so no art should be more popularized or less. or at least not how it is happening in mma of today. the roundhouse kick in karate is described by many many pro mma fighters with the power only coming out of the leg. complete bs, of course u rotate ur hip and put a lot more that just that into it

[ROD006]

@CarlitoJohnson

All Karate styles are related to each other, that's why they're Karate styles. If Kyokushin related to kickboxing, so do the other styles.

Kickboxing (not Muay Thai) derived from Full Contact Karate. Watch those kickboxing matches from the 70's, with guys like Joe Lewis or Bill Wallace. These guys practiced karate (you can see them fighting in karate matches in the 60's!), then Kickboxing.

Eventually KB lost popularity to MT and died. Now they call everything Muay Thai.

[Bassai]

BTW, the a lot of the Kihon of Kyokushin was taken from Shotokan. Especially the Naihanchi (Tekki) katas, as well as the Pinan (Heian) katas. Oyama sensei understood the value of having low stances for training as well.

[iStoleYourPC]

Taekwondo can beat karate. it's not the martial art that matters, it's the martial ARTIST. i've been to countless open karate tournaments from Atlanta to Dallas. i have seen tkd black belts that have knocked out some karate martial artists but also have seen karate students kick the crap out of taekwondo students.... it's not realy the martial art.. any martial is good it's just how it's used. i personally take more than 3 marital arts to mix them up, makes it more reliable in a real situation.

[d34dl34f]

taekwondo is another form of karate. thanks China.

[brownsound1]

tae kwon do was developed from Okinawan Karate...

[KillerCheebo]

fyi oyama is korean

look up Masutatsu oyama in wikipedia

[360kid]

wow everyone is soo critical they are just kids (and not even close to the same weight class)

[FaridYM]

i love how the tkd kid is getting his ass kicked

[v1adimir75eas]

=))

[eatbiscuits1]

these kids aren't even in the same weight class.

TKD shits on Karate any day of the week.

[MrRickyalanis]

haha no fucking way tkd pussies r no match for sum fuckin kyokoshin karate or shotkan karate

[hotpopcorncake]

dude there probably the same age ,and you are not martial artist talking like that....OSU!

[keemurah]

tkd is for fags

[dss103]

ur pretty homosexual if u think TKD can beat OYAMA's karate. other karate, maybe but kyokushinkai? get out my house!

[FaNaTiC91344]

110% agree

[masamune702]

their just kids.. geez give em a break

[vetzuneguisuperestar]

is not a good idea mix mmaa

[GGILSR]

Both awful fighters

[XXsorinXX]

both kids...

[dragons3600]

Taekon-do WTF and ITF FOREVER!!!

[Ruben1994OL]

WTF is shit. I don't give much respect to TaekWonDo either way, but a ITF fighter might in fact be somewhat a threat!

WTF TaekWonDo is just a parodi, and consists mostly of what we call "MC-Dojo's". Only after making money.

[knightguardking2]

girl fight

[iheartyooh777]

who is who?

[DippShits]

The TKD fighter has the dark stripe down his trouser legs...

...and a yellow one down his back!

[edlo123]

tkd bounces aroud to much so they dont get hit

[Mocktezuma111]

Tae Kwon Do honestly & usually gets owned when they go against other styles other than their own..

[hopala007]

thats because TaeKwonDo is semi-contact.

Thaiboxing, kickboxing kyokushin is full contact.

Its not allowed to give lowkicks, no elbow etc.

[psychedashell]

It's mostly because they don't train in hurting each other and haven't been bruised enough.

At its core TKD is for kicking people off horses, not actually fighting

[intromix]

OSU,,well said

[psychedashell]

What was ?

[DrSandoKhan]

If size doesn't matter why are there weight classes in almost every competition?? Of course in the street there are no weight classes, but there are bottles, knives, guns, friends, chairs and an infitnitive list of things you can find to compensate the weight diference...

[Stil16]

They both need a really hard punch into their faces...maybe they would raise their hands and try to at least pretend, that they are using them to deflect the punches and kicks...I mean it really, I got a few and wow how my hands were immedietaly up...

[KentaroOswa]

I like karate much more tha tkd. But they need to use more the puches

[melonbarmonster]

The Kyokushin kid is bigger and heavier and this is fight under karate rules... LOL.

[jazzyslip]

melonbarmonster, in a martial art, size should not matter: otherwise just do body building... And what do you mean by "karate rules"?

[lagook]

wat the heck size doesnt matter? why do they have weight classes?

[jazzyslip]

lagook, they have weight classes when it is a SPORT ;) I dont think they had weight classes on battlefields before... or in the old days, when martial arts were used to defend one's life...

[lagook]

i understand this

but it does show that size does still matter, the speed of smaller people doesnt often counter the power and ablility to take damge of larger people

[jazzyslip]

I agree lagook, but that is what martial arts are all about: being able to survive regardless of your opponent size. Now the way each martial art teaches how to do that is different (although not that much lol)...

[koreanwutard]

wow comon.. one back kick... he's done for...

[ayuzak666]

no me gusto la pelea pero en fin

el karate tuvo mas potencial ^^"!

saludos

[tuflogger]

mm... karate rules, taekwondo guy desventage

[rifleman0007]

agreed.

[michinco]

karate kid rules!

viva karate!

[Korean1Kick]

You call it " Taekwondo" spirit.

[victortaekwon]

that's ITF TKD

[kenseisato1989]

just my opinion guys.. if there are rules it is a sports fight... making everything in cluding kyokushin karate a sport, (at least how they compete)

anyways nice clip i like it 4/5(bad quality)

[gragrn]

TKD kid did real good against a much bigger opponent. Both boys did well, don't knock them, at least they both have the guts to get in the ring.

[roryisgoed]

the karate guy isnt even that bad, tkd dude is a wimp

[DonalPhelan]

Wimp?

The guy stood his ground and fought a bigger, stronger opponent the full distance. How's that a wimp? Because he lost on points?

[roryisgoed]

no becaus he didnt threw a single well placed or well executed punch, his spinning back kick made me cry, he has the defence of a wet napkin, and he doesnt seem that powerfull either...

[Deetroiter]

That's funny. I saw an early teen before that does Filipino (Kali, Eskrima, etc) martials and would wipe the floor with these two.

[ToG3Pi]

BJJ SUCKS kyokushin RULES !!! BJJ will not win against multiple attackers that's the truth!! BJJ will only run

[Aersus]

I agree. With the kyokushin as a sport is usual to lose.. Remember how Masutatsu Oyama used to train against bulls.

[wowns8451]

no man karate is not a sport.... judo and WTF taekwondo is the only sport ... get it right

[richard0cheese]

There are karate competitions at the local, state, regional, national and world levels.

There are judo and WTF TKD competitions at the local, state regional, national, world and Olympic levels, so the only thing that designates a wimpy sport that can't defend anyone from anything and a TOTALLY LEGIT AND DEADLY KILLING SYSTEM is one more step up competition-wise?

[steev5]

ANY competition = sport

[chiconspiricy]

One on one is the only real test of an unarmed martial art. If the karate guy is taken down, he's even WORSE off than the BJJ guy against multiple opponents. Only a weapon or running works in that scenario, and if I got taken down, I sure as hell would want to know BJJ to get back up, because Kyokushin would be WORTHLESS in that situation.

[Cuenca20]

Shotokan owns, way more tsuki's :p

[BlueJazzyClassic]

some serious fight between kids. bigger guy karate smaller guy takwondo

[glock70]

Here we go again I have the up most respect for all the arts BJJ is no better then judo ,karate ,taekwondo or Washu or any other style I just started taking Judo and have the up most respect for my sensei in judo as well as my Karate master just let it go !

[zacowako5]

will you GAYS stop sayin that karate sucks ass, you wanna know what karate meens in japanese? well i'll tell you...

open hand#

so that meens it is every fightin technique without the use of a weapon

so HA

[VegaRose]

Also, these style vs. style videos, shouldn't weaken either style, everyone always says "BJJ RULES, KARATE SUCKS!" and crap like that, it's not the style, it's the person. I study ninjutsu, I have been for 13yrs, I fought some BJJ fighters, and beat them (yes it is possible) but I'am not getting in anyones face about it..

[rsobrien]

Video of beating BJJ fighter please!

[farorin]

Come off it man! BJJ sucks ass. Like severely.

[rsobrien]

No you misunderstood, you suck the ass of BJJ, after it puts you in a triangle choke.

[VegaRose]

I agree, most Oyama/koyokoshin(excuse the spelling) fighters, punch and kick non-stop without having any type of form. They basically walk into the ring, and punch until someone drops, not a bad tactic, but I'd rather have a strong form

[doystkd]

Before you post any Taekwondo player fight WATCH how do TKD competitors fights, basicly good level, Just any yellow belt can kick the other guy of what you call them Oyamas!! not a kid like the one you posted he doesn't know Taekwondo, good luck....