@fabaum22 The original sound track had some Jane's Addiction timed underneath. The sound of the engine was all well over it, but WB chose to force me to remove the sound track. Free internet music seemed better than silence. Idiotic use of their rights, but there you have it.
What is a "point"???? Looks to me like you weren't fast enough to overtake but since you added that awful music instead of engine sounds, it's hard to tell how hard either of you were trying.
I posted a video response of a bmw that was doing the same thing to me! It's ridiculous this was after 5 full laps at road atlanta without a point by.
@Calum643 Thanks, but not so much reactions as anticipation. Going into the bus stop, you'll note my head is turned left, not right into the corner. If I hadnt had my eye on them we would have come together. I did have a few polite words with the offender after calming down. They really didnt get it. For various reasons, it wasnt really possible to make the point more forcefully. Seemed better just to document what truly bad DE behavior looks like and move on.
You carried some serious speed on 6. That was awesome! I had similar experience with a guy in a AC Cobra who didn't even know what an apex was. I'm in a mini cooper s with 220 hp on his ass in all the corners and he would give me the point by down the straight, except he would just floor it and leave me in the dust. Once we got back into the tech part of the course I would have to just ride his bumper and wait. The flag men finally gave him the black flag.
@MrChristoferJohnson Thanks man! Sadly, we're not the only ones to suffer this kind of bad behavior. Pretty much why I put the vid up in the first place. Glad to hear in your case the corner workers where alert, felt your pain and sent the offender off to explain it to the stewards.
@Kubakpsv I dont like or dislike them, they are what they are. IMO the highest run groups should have open passing, but most organizers and their insurers disagree. DE might not be racing fun, but nor is it racing risk. If people are alert and aware, its a fine way to spend the day and a great, cheap way to get seat time, do testing and setup. There's no speed or G limit, just passing rules so you can drive just a corner just as hard at a DE as any race if your up to it.
I couldn't see Point By #1, but I agree that Point By #2 at T Last he should have lifted to let you by cleanly, instead of drag racing you down the start/finish straight.
@Duron13 I've explained this plenty of times in the comments on these pages. Heres one from wikipedia. "Driver's education programs involve multiple cars together on a racetrack, but they are not considered racing because they are not timed, winners are not declared, and drivers must wait to pass until the driver being passed gives permission with a hand signal." You stick your hand out the window and point, as the vid shows.
@Stig911 The following driver has no right to pass until the lead driver points arm out left or arm over the roof, signalling pass me on the left or right. At that point the driver in front is supposed to do what it takes to safely allow the overtaking car to pass, including lift off the throttle. They are obligated NOT to race to the next corner. Hope that helps explain thing and why this was very bad behavior on the art of the lead driver.
I've made some doofus moves (someone videoed one from me this past Saturday or Sunday), but I consider them hard-won learning experiences. Pointing in Green and Yellow groups can be tricky, and I've had it all but beaten into me that if someone is pointing and then not letting you complete the pass, you should pit in, talk to officials, get the offending driver black flagged. Corner workers, good ones at least, could back you up. Get the losers off the track, drive on. But great video anyway!
@davidbspalding We all make bone head moves fro time to time, but brain fade induced stupidity is temporary as opposed to the permanent effects of inbreeding on display here. :-) Best of luck in your track endeavors and may you never have such an encounter.
@oso711 No, he's a million times faster than the driver ahead. His car is slower in a straight line is all. The guy ahead acted like a douche in the context of a DE.
@Stig911, ditch the music in your videos, would you!?
Did you have a conversation after the race to ask him why he did that or to speak with an official present to address the events displayed in this video? It seems odd that no action was taken unless you took no action on your part, which is your option. lol
@darthnefas Not a race. Yes, we spoke, believe it or not, politely. They really didnt get it. In retrospect, I should have made then watch the video. Regardless, this vid really isnt about trashing the individual in question. It's simply visual evidence of how not to act at a DE. And given the number of views over the ensuing years my hope is that its served that purpose.
@Stig911 It's good to start off polite and move up based on reaction. lol I think that's the problem is that people don't get it some times. I can only imagine the atrocities I've done due to ignorance, but such is life.
I've done a few DE events, and that kind of behavior on track, especially the move where he cut you off after the 3rd (iirc) point by, should result in expulsion from the event. And this guy (or gal) is an instructor? I assume this was PCA? I would have expected higher standards from them...
@fc3sgtr Yep, PCA. This certainly is in no way typical. After 10 years of running the BS in the bus stop, given the context of multiple preceding points, is still by far the most brain dead behavior I've seen at a DE by anyone, male, female, instructor, unwashed masses. And yes the individual was, is still AFAIK, an instructor, though how and why is a mystery given an utter inability to hit an apex, let alone behave responsibly.
@Littlemac181 Not really. No one 'asks' to pass, you close on them, they are suppose to notice you and then point to indicate you are free to pass. If they don't point, you can not pass. When they do point, they are saying 'go ahead and pass me.' Once they point, they are responsible to slow, if necessary, to facilitate a safe pass. To point and then stay flat on the gas is bad behavior, particularly if its done multiple times and obvious that the passer does not have the power to drag race.
Stig, just watching that pisses me off, the asshats who are criticizing you have no clue what a DE is. The point by then drag race to the corner (esp at the bus stop and the toe in your vid) is inexcusable. For the record in a DE (not racing!) format when you give a point by then you should lift or even brake to let the overtaking car by.
@dickeyspeedmaster Thanks man. To be honest, even after three years, that behavior still pisses me off. I'm glad those that actually know whats going on here, recognize just how bad that behavior was.
pretty basic. at HPDE events like i assume this one you get point bys at designated areas, if cars are similar in power you need to lift to let the other person by. Two guys in the same car will never make it by each other.
Honestly, go back home, sell your car and stop racing. If you think that you go on a track and that faster car than your will just "open the way" to you, well you have no idea about what is racing at all! This is not about who the fuck is the most well educated, it's about being able to take a position by yourself like a big man! RACING FAIL ----
@ArnaudShanghai For the last fucking time. THIS ISNT RACING! Read the text and understand the rules of engagement for this type of event before commenting. At least I see by your page, you actually unlike that last idiot. So I race as well, I've won, I understand what racing is, this wasnt a race, it was bad behavior in a DE. If you dont understand the difference, just shut up and move along.
@Stig911 Sorry again but if it's not racing, why your expectations are so high? Why you push so much? Why you are so unhappy not to pass that car? If it's not racing then just slow down and give him space and don't be so upset.... I mean racing or not everyone knows once you're in a track with whatever sport car, you are not there to count the flowers on the side of the road.... The guy obviously wanted to play a little bit with you, there is nothing dangerous or so bad... chill out man!
@ArnaudShanghai The rules of engagement, and this is well known in such events, that if you point you lift to let the slower car by. Cars are not classed here. Theoretically driver skill is. Thus you have people driving 150 hp 944s out with people driving 400HP GT3s. If a 944 catches a GT3 and it does happen, he can not pass in a drag race obviously, but then is invariably held up in the next corner. i.e faster driver, slower car agains slower driver faster car.
@Stig911 The rules and basic etiquette demand that when the lead drivers points they have ceded control to the driver behind. They are obligated to allow the trailing car to pass and, if need be to LIFT to do so. This is well understood. Here the offender was an event instructor. This makes the offense double egregious as they are the ones supposedly teaching both proper skills and etiquette. Given all this, having to drag race, not once, but 4x over 3.5 miles unacceptable.
@Stig911 One final thing. The lead driver is under NO 'rules' obligation to point. The lead driver could have simply ignored me. But once the do point, they have signaled intent. To signal and then reneg, is both annoying and dangerous. That is the point of the video. Its behavior, that both violates the rules and spirit of the event.
Not sure what you're on about... looks like you are down on power to that dude and he knew it. He gave you plenty of room to complete a pass, you just coulnd't get him. Seriously you're upset he didn't LET you pass? Sorry man, you're not a racer...
@arena2101. This was a DE fool, read the damn caption for the video before commenting. Since when are there instructors in a the middle of a race. I might not be a racer, but your certainly a retard. Learn to read.
Thanks for the kind words. Despite being pretty pissed in the case, I try to play by the rules, particularly if you're gonna complain about it to the stewards and show the video if necessary. In the end, it simply was a classic lay back and gather momentum to pass. Took full advantage of swinging all the way out of the toe while they were forced to pinch in. Carried that advantage down the inside of 8 to get by. We get them all in the end, right? :-)
After his point bye, he should have lifted to allow a pass. Obviously you are the better driver in the turns where it counts. Personally, I would have taken the inside on him after the point bye whether he wanted to go side by side or not. If one gives me a point bye, I'm taking the line! Usually one only tries to drag race me once after a point bye.
Both of you idiots should be schooled. Point For Pass is meant for safety, not a free pass. If you can navigate it safely, then that's UP TO YOU! Not an instructor to slow down. I admit he was acting like a jerk, but you have to have a proper line to finish the pass safely. It's not a free for all out there and free passes don't count. Both should have been Black flagged and had a good talking to from a martial!!!
@transam139 So just what would you have black flagged me for? Trying to pass when given a point? And where was the lack of safety here by the trailing driver. Did I hit them in the bus stop or , for umpteeth time, maybe you should look at where my head is pointed in the bus stop. Utterly under control, on a scale of 1 to 10, this was maybe a 3 for about 2 seconds. Schooling? If you think this was somehow out of control or black flag-able, you have nothing of interest to teach.
@transam139 Sorry, but it is up to the leading car to lift or slow down when giving a point-by to a less powerful car. Stig911 didn't do anything wrong, no need to lecture him or give him a black flag.
There are always going to be jerks and fools out there. Take a slow pass through the pits to get some separation. It's not worth letting a Bozo like that ding up your car, or worse.
I definitely wouldn't want to be on the track at the same time as the car cam was there!
Dude, there is a reason why these are called "D.E's," DRIVER'S EDUCATION EVENTS! The guy giving the point by obviously needs some schooling. But why in the hell would you risk damage or injury to others and yourself, by attempting to correct him at 100mph? The guy in the yellow car is endangering everyone out there, but why must you add fuel to the fire on the track and endanger everyone even more?
@PatrickBrass Dude there was one modestly dangerous moment in the whole thing. If you paid attention all attempts at a wreck were being done by the lead driver. Watch the last minute of vid from the carousel where I'm held up, spot the entire straight to the laces and catch up again going into the toe. Then ask yourself hows is that possible when I couldnt pass on the straights. Answer: the whole time I'm no where near maximum in the corners or braking. Lose the d. No danger, just anger.
@Stig911 I guess that's why I do POC Events, and rarely do others. We place safety top on the list. Prior to unleashing a new student to drive solo, they must first attend a Performance Driver's Series all day Clinic, then 4 more events with an instructor riding along all day. After this, they are THEN evaluated to see if they have the safety and skills necessary to join our driving event's. The driver of the Yellow car may have a moderate level of car control skill possibly learned from AX?
@PatrickBrass But clearly has little if any continuous lapping experience! You made your point Stig, that the yellow car driver was the dangerous one out there. All I was saying is why put your car at risk out there by his rude driving? If this happened at one of our events, he would have been black flagged immediately, and schooled on his behavior. If he did this again, he would be asked to leave, and not come back. I didn't see anywhere in these post if he had been talked to???
@PatrickBrass This wasnt a novice. This was in the top level run group. The lead driver is an instructor. Tons of days and my understanding has a race license to boot. I'm the one with multiple AX championships, hence the CC to play with morons like this safely. I've run with dozens of clubs, DE and race. At any event, regardless of organization, there can be boneheads and they are at all levels, from green to the top. BTW, what you cite for POC is <= what's required for PCA to solo.
@Stig911 More information helps... If this is the top level run group, was a point by still required, or is it open passing? If it was indeed open passing, his point by was probably just egging you on, and him being a douche bag. If the point by was a requirement of the run group to pass, then he was being a safety hazard, and needed a definite talking to. If the guy has a cup racing license, he's used to this type of cat and mouse action. A great skill to have, but not to really be
@PatrickBrass --- (Cont') used in a DE that requires a point by to pass? Even with all this said, the question I still have... - Was this guy talked to about this behavior, and if so, I'm curious as to his response! Flame the guy on the board all you want, but if he was never confronted about his behavior, nothing will likely change until he takes out another car at a similar type of event...
@PatrickBrass First, not an opening passing event. Again, you'll note, in the last minute of the vid, I did not go around the blocking car coming out of 6, as I had not gotten a point. Had this been a race or an open event, it would have happened in a flash. But more importantly, this vid isnt up to flame anyone. Its cautionary. It simply documents what is clearly bad etiquette, unacceptable and potentially dangerous behavior at a DE.
(cont) Its the first, most basic and simple rule in DE. If you point, your telling the guy behind your yielding, they can take the lead. This isnt someone NOT pointing, its pointing and repeatedly failing to yield. Had I be as oblivious when they cut me off into the bus stop, they would have wound up on their roof, hit sideways right in the rear. The vid is not up to flame the perp. It's here to help make our events better by showing what should never happen. @25K+ views, it has.
Seemed to me like it was some good racing. I like having to work hard to pass someone. That's racing idiot. If you want people to just move out of your way every time you get behind them then stick to Mario Kart. You can shoot turtle shells and stuff and the guys in front of you.
@kylekalivoda Speaking of idiots, Read. NOT a race. Not an open track day, a DE. Point to pass. Geawd. Amazing how many genuises comment on this vid that can tell the difference.
@kylekalivoda Speaking of idiots. Not a race. Not open an open track day. A DE. The definition of idiot is someone who opens their mouth when they haven't a clue as to what they're talking about. Sound like any one you know?
Yes thank god indeed. Maybe you should calm down? Did you beat his ass after the race or just drive home and lay on the floor in the fetal position crying and/or screaming yourself to sleeep? Looked like the guy in the red one didn't know WTF to do, maybe him and the dinkbag in the yellow one smoked the same stuff before the show?
Those are interesting racing rules. I've never heard of that sort of racing before. Seems like a lot of fun though. Strange thing is, he can obviously out brake and out accelerate you, so you getting a point by on one turn is only going to result in him overtaking you in the next turn isn't it?
@svfighter Not racing, which is somewhat the point. Google PCA drivers ed. Out brake, no. Out accel... yes*. *Every extra MPH you carry in a corner is worth 5MPH down the upcoming straight. If you hold up someone, as this person did, more HP wins. In this case, by the time the perp hit the front straight after being passed, I was braking for turn 1. So no, they never overtook, not even close. I was easily lapping 10 seconds faster despite the HP deficit... far higher cornering speeds.
That's what corner workers are for. He should have been black flagged, brought in and give a lecture. If he was an instructor then the lecture would have even worse. Does it again.... well I would send him home.
That's what corner workers are for. He should have been black flagged, brought in and give a lecture. If he was an instructor then the lecture would have even worse. Does it again.... well I would send him home.
As another PCA Instructor I have to say that albeit the 993 driver failing to lift after the many point-bys, if you get to the point where you are angry you probably could use a slow cruise through the pits to clear your mind. Owning 2 "HP" cars it hurts the 'ol ego to let a spec miata by @ NHMS but knowing it is the safe + responsible thing to do is most important at a DE. They do hurt your mojo for the next straight or two but then they are gone... there is a reason they are in your mirror
YUP! Head to the hot pit for some spacing, and go back out and have fun. After the session is over, THEN find the Chief D.I, and have a little pow wow with the offender! Don't risk ruining your day by trading paint with someone in a stupid DE! Save that for when you're racing for a $3 trophy! ;)
it's assholes like that, that signal you to pass them and don't let you, that should be hit and put in the fence to make them really learn to follow what they say. I would have dive bombed his door in a corner
He wasn't even faster on the straights. You point by, you let someone by. You don't keep your foot flat to the floor and make them earn every inch. It's dangerous because you give the guy behind the sense that he can just go past and he starts looking to his braking / turning in points...only to have some clown cut across your line and make you stab the brakes, lose momentum and make the guy think he's 'beating' you because it takes you another half lap to catch him again. Idiots!!
He wasn't even faster on the straights. You point by, you let someone by. You don't keep your foot flat to the floor and make them earn every inch. It's dangerous because you give the guy behind the sense that he can just go past and he starts looking to his braking / turning in points...only to have some clown cut across your line and make you stab the brakes, lose momentum and make the guy think he's 'beating' you because it takes you another half lap to catch him again. Clearly not alone!!
no. if he were faster, the camera car would not be catching up to him constantly. Just because the yellow car had more power down the straight does not mean it's a faster car on the track. It was slower in the turns and has slower lap times than the camera car.
Regardless, if you give a point-by, you are supposed to allow the car behind to pass. But some of those guys have egos that are even bigger than their wallets.
WOW Red mist setting in. I am a fellow PCA instructor, and see this all the time. There are plenty of moron instructors out there, the move on the BUS stop was horrid. As soon as I saw a move like that, I'd go straight into the pits, wait 30sec to 1 min and go back out. Maybe i'd report this behavior to the cheif, but there are plenty of egomaniac losers out there who just dont get it. Just remember, it a DE. You aren't out there to prove anything to anyone.
Dude in the yellow 993 apparently thinks his car is a lot wider than it is. At least that's my guess as to why he's never within 2 feet of the apex on right-handers.
@alexrex20 He WAS faster than him in the corners, about even on the straights. PCA is not straight racing, it's supposed to be safer the guy giving the point should let off the gas to let the guy behind by not dive bomb late brake him into the next corner (dangerous)
@hasbeengood Without question. And there is no doubt that this particular vid represents one of the top five most annoying things I've ever had to deal with on track and possibly off as well.
WGI is hallowed ground for sure. Perhaps not the most technical track around, but nothing pumps more blood than climbing that hill and cranking through the bus stop. I love it too.
@Stig911 Never been to the Glen, but I've encountered this behaviour many times at Mosport while piloting my pesky e30 M3. Kudos to you for staying (somewhat) calm. Per one of the other comments, the best bet is to chill out in pit lane for half a lap or so.
thats blatantly bc the 993 wasnt lifting, this is why i would much prefer to go to kojote, bc theres extended passing if if you pass going into the busstop, u dont get black flaged and bitched at for two hours, unfortunatly theyve been having really low turn outs
I hail from NER, but I run with most of the NE Porsche regions as well as NASA, SCCA and COM. Wont be there next week sadly, but I do run with CVR from time to time, great folks. Have a blast!
What are you driving in this video? BTW nice work on not ending up in the fence. Although you were totally in the right and I would have probably handled it similarly only with a more tragic ending maybe next time just pull into the pits.
Thanks! The car is a stripped out 1970 911 RSR Clone. Stock 911 3.2 motor, 211 RWHP. Fueled with driver, ~2300#. Fast, but not a rocket ship. There are faster cars (as the video shows), but few more fun or demanding.
Yeah,, I hear you, my friend. I hate being held up by people who don't want to let you pass on HPDEs. This guy gives you a point-by and drag race you?? He should've been kicked out of the track for that. Anyway,,, good driving.
I'm just bustin your balls dude... Good driving. I would pass without a point or slow EVERYONE down behind me for half a lap and then go like hell. Then blame the instructor for not waving you past.
Check. If you read the comments, I've taken a surprising amount of crap about this vid. With no smiley...thought it was more of the same. The vid is more about what a driver at a DE shouldnt do, than what you should, but I rarely pass without a point at a DE. Its just a DE. Which is why I expect that if someone points they mean it.
@miataget1 if the poster had the faster car then he would have been able to pass this douche in the straights... Where the fuck does youtube find these dumbass commenters?!?
The point of the video is that he is not allowed to pass at this event without a wave from the driver ahead. The driver waves him past but then doesn't let him pass. The in car cam is the one getting pissed because he is told to pass 3X but then challenged to a race. It should be titled "Asshole instructor tells me to pass then shuts the door on me" That would better illustrate the problem. The in car cam probably could pass if he didn't wait for the invite.
So go pit and get away from him who cares, are you a profession in the 24 hour watkings glen? The answer is no its a DE and your throwing your hands in the air hahaha
I mean dude you were all the fuck over him on every corner. Smothering that guy. It would have been child's play to put him out of commission. How can you resist?
@Stig911 true, but he probably hasent seen this video. he needs to learn to have some manors on the track so he doesnt continue to do that, i would have hit him and then still have the video haha
Its not about the culprit seeing it. If they are dumb enough to drive that way, they're not likely to get it anyway. 'Hey look Beavis, theres a really cool vid of my car on the web...uh...huh..uh.'...
Nope, its about people that know the culprit, fellow instructors, DE chairs, etc. seeing it. And they have.
I'm an instructor in CA (Laguna, Infineon, etc). I just wanted to congratulate you for not physically harming this guy after the session. I would have been screaming my head off at him. Good job catching it on video.
You might want to check out a less restrictive org that doesn't require a point-by in the advanced sessions. They typically still don't like out-braking, but you can get away with it - especially if you're given a courtesy point-by.
Thanks for the kind words Joe! I've done plenty of open passing events. I posted this as the pinnacle of bad behavior at a DE and a warning on how badly even experienced drivers can behave. We've all been held up, but its
Just to make sure, what car (what 911, I presume) were you driving?
Quite a pity the obvious lack of a flat 6 soundtrack, if you allow me to say.
Nice video, though. I can't wait not to find this kind of bloke in track days.
fabaum22 1 month ago
@fabaum22 The original sound track had some Jane's Addiction timed underneath. The sound of the engine was all well over it, but WB chose to force me to remove the sound track. Free internet music seemed better than silence. Idiotic use of their rights, but there you have it.
Stig911 1 month ago
@Stig911 ...and yes 1970 tub, 911 RSR ducktail clone with 211 RWHP on R888s that day. Not slow, not fast, low 2:10s at WGI, done a :59 at LRP.
Stig911 1 month ago
What is a "point"???? Looks to me like you weren't fast enough to overtake but since you added that awful music instead of engine sounds, it's hard to tell how hard either of you were trying.
jspesh 1 month ago 2
why pass him when he´s doing the same speed? to me thats just weird
simcaP60fan 1 month ago
@simcaP60fan Really?! LOL! They are doing the same speed because the lead car is holding this car up under the rules relegated.
thekswervedirt 1 month ago
@simcaP60fan
The lead car has the same speed down the straight, but is holding up the following car in the corners.
sparkygl0s 1 month ago
I love when you said "it's amazing how fast you can take 6 when you're pissed off" lol
That was the best part of the video
SieTeppischfresser 2 months ago
at 3 min mark i was like "GET HIM,GET HIM" lol what a nuff nuff
russdanusanc 2 months ago
The third attempt when he slices back in right at the entry of the corner was just ridiculous! Half expected him to do it at the end, too.
Fuck that guy.
deegan463 2 months ago
Point and lift, for fuck sake. What a wanker.
4G63PWR 2 months ago
I posted a video response of a bmw that was doing the same thing to me! It's ridiculous this was after 5 full laps at road atlanta without a point by.
davidboring71 2 months ago
did you say anything to him after? good reactions btw :-)
Calum643 2 months ago
@Calum643 Thanks, but not so much reactions as anticipation. Going into the bus stop, you'll note my head is turned left, not right into the corner. If I hadnt had my eye on them we would have come together. I did have a few polite words with the offender after calming down. They really didnt get it. For various reasons, it wasnt really possible to make the point more forcefully. Seemed better just to document what truly bad DE behavior looks like and move on.
Stig911 2 months ago
How about you get a faster car...
JJCIV20 2 months ago
You carried some serious speed on 6. That was awesome! I had similar experience with a guy in a AC Cobra who didn't even know what an apex was. I'm in a mini cooper s with 220 hp on his ass in all the corners and he would give me the point by down the straight, except he would just floor it and leave me in the dust. Once we got back into the tech part of the course I would have to just ride his bumper and wait. The flag men finally gave him the black flag.
MrChristoferJohnson 2 months ago
@MrChristoferJohnson Thanks man! Sadly, we're not the only ones to suffer this kind of bad behavior. Pretty much why I put the vid up in the first place. Glad to hear in your case the corner workers where alert, felt your pain and sent the offender off to explain it to the stewards.
Stig911 2 months ago
just gotta say...nice lines!
bdt72 2 months ago
maybe his name is gandalf; YOU SHALL NOT PASS
derruf5 2 months ago
I hate to say it, but I did this once (gave someone the point-by and then drag raced them). I only made that mistake once though :D
DuckyDos 3 months ago
No passing without a point? No fun. Slowing down for safe pass? No fun at all. But rules are rules. Strange that you like them thought.
Kubakpsv 3 months ago
@Kubakpsv I dont like or dislike them, they are what they are. IMO the highest run groups should have open passing, but most organizers and their insurers disagree. DE might not be racing fun, but nor is it racing risk. If people are alert and aware, its a fine way to spend the day and a great, cheap way to get seat time, do testing and setup. There's no speed or G limit, just passing rules so you can drive just a corner just as hard at a DE as any race if your up to it.
Stig911 3 months ago 2
@Stig911 Is this the main problem? he called you to pass .. and he never even slow down?
jasonyeozhishen 1 month ago
dude your cars slower wtf lol
sharpshot411 3 months ago
yellow is an idiot
nismo300zr2 3 months ago
this videos is stupid and could do with editing. Did not need to be as long as it was.
1Novatrek 4 months ago
That's an instructor? What does he teach, "How to be a Wanker" Should have been fired from that job "yesterday".
You don't give a point-by, then keep your foot on the throttle. Juvenile jackass.
kickinbackinOC 4 months ago
I couldn't see Point By #1, but I agree that Point By #2 at T Last he should have lifted to let you by cleanly, instead of drag racing you down the start/finish straight.
GTRaycer 5 months ago
so in all basics its a trackday?
gozney1987 5 months ago
@gozney1987 Its structured, i.e its not an open track day where passing is allowed where ever when ever, but sure, its not a race, so yeah.
Stig911 5 months ago
@Stig911 i see, that sounds like a safer way to do things,
gozney1987 5 months ago
I'm sorry I'm not sure to understand, how do you "point" that you're gonna pass and why it gives you priority ?
Duron13 5 months ago
@Duron13 I've explained this plenty of times in the comments on these pages. Heres one from wikipedia. "Driver's education programs involve multiple cars together on a racetrack, but they are not considered racing because they are not timed, winners are not declared, and drivers must wait to pass until the driver being passed gives permission with a hand signal." You stick your hand out the window and point, as the vid shows.
Stig911 5 months ago 2
@Stig911 The following driver has no right to pass until the lead driver points arm out left or arm over the roof, signalling pass me on the left or right. At that point the driver in front is supposed to do what it takes to safely allow the overtaking car to pass, including lift off the throttle. They are obligated NOT to race to the next corner. Hope that helps explain thing and why this was very bad behavior on the art of the lead driver.
Stig911 5 months ago 3
Would like to hear the helmet audio
04YJGTO 5 months ago
Yes at point by #2 he should have lifted .... the yellow porsche that is
DHJanos 5 months ago
i like the CORNER when he s pissed its like "FUCK THAT I DOTN CARE IF U HIT SOMEONE I JUST WANT TO KILL THAT PORSHE"
MsNosaj 5 months ago
I wish you had a machine gun installed on your hood so you can warn, or kill, those crappy drivers
jaex26 5 months ago
@jaex26 I think this one would have required a rocket launcher... :-)
Stig911 5 months ago
I've made some doofus moves (someone videoed one from me this past Saturday or Sunday), but I consider them hard-won learning experiences. Pointing in Green and Yellow groups can be tricky, and I've had it all but beaten into me that if someone is pointing and then not letting you complete the pass, you should pit in, talk to officials, get the offending driver black flagged. Corner workers, good ones at least, could back you up. Get the losers off the track, drive on. But great video anyway!
davidbspalding 5 months ago
@davidbspalding We all make bone head moves fro time to time, but brain fade induced stupidity is temporary as opposed to the permanent effects of inbreeding on display here. :-) Best of luck in your track endeavors and may you never have such an encounter.
Stig911 5 months ago
shuda just ran him hard into a corner and if he contested the fact that your going to pass him, get alittle rough and turn him
Cornalmullin 6 months ago
you are definetly too slow...captain
oso711 6 months ago
@oso711 Stig911 speaking of slow, private, you might want to learn to spell.
Stig911 6 months ago
@oso711 No, he's a million times faster than the driver ahead. His car is slower in a straight line is all. The guy ahead acted like a douche in the context of a DE.
@Stig911, ditch the music in your videos, would you!?
mhelie1234 6 months ago
Did you have a conversation after the race to ask him why he did that or to speak with an official present to address the events displayed in this video? It seems odd that no action was taken unless you took no action on your part, which is your option. lol
darthnefas 6 months ago
@darthnefas Not a race. Yes, we spoke, believe it or not, politely. They really didnt get it. In retrospect, I should have made then watch the video. Regardless, this vid really isnt about trashing the individual in question. It's simply visual evidence of how not to act at a DE. And given the number of views over the ensuing years my hope is that its served that purpose.
Stig911 6 months ago
@Stig911 It's good to start off polite and move up based on reaction. lol I think that's the problem is that people don't get it some times. I can only imagine the atrocities I've done due to ignorance, but such is life.
darthnefas 6 months ago
2:30's at WGI...I'd be pissed off too!
eastcoastbumps 6 months ago
I've done a few DE events, and that kind of behavior on track, especially the move where he cut you off after the 3rd (iirc) point by, should result in expulsion from the event. And this guy (or gal) is an instructor? I assume this was PCA? I would have expected higher standards from them...
fc3sgtr 7 months ago
@fc3sgtr Yep, PCA. This certainly is in no way typical. After 10 years of running the BS in the bus stop, given the context of multiple preceding points, is still by far the most brain dead behavior I've seen at a DE by anyone, male, female, instructor, unwashed masses. And yes the individual was, is still AFAIK, an instructor, though how and why is a mystery given an utter inability to hit an apex, let alone behave responsibly.
Stig911 7 months ago
ao basically you ask to pass and they cannot say no? well, should not?
Littlemac181 7 months ago
@Littlemac181 Not really. No one 'asks' to pass, you close on them, they are suppose to notice you and then point to indicate you are free to pass. If they don't point, you can not pass. When they do point, they are saying 'go ahead and pass me.' Once they point, they are responsible to slow, if necessary, to facilitate a safe pass. To point and then stay flat on the gas is bad behavior, particularly if its done multiple times and obvious that the passer does not have the power to drag race.
Stig911 7 months ago
Let me get this A-hole in the little yellow Porsche on a stock car track and we'll see how cute he'd be. On the trailer heading for the crusher! Ha
coni1964 7 months ago
Friggin ridiculous, I can see why you'd be really frustrated.
sundin57 7 months ago 4
@sundin57 Wow! Three guys in a row that actually get it. Appreciate the support!
Stig911 7 months ago
Stig, just watching that pisses me off, the asshats who are criticizing you have no clue what a DE is. The point by then drag race to the corner (esp at the bus stop and the toe in your vid) is inexcusable. For the record in a DE (not racing!) format when you give a point by then you should lift or even brake to let the overtaking car by.
dickeyspeedmaster 7 months ago
@dickeyspeedmaster Thanks man. To be honest, even after three years, that behavior still pisses me off. I'm glad those that actually know whats going on here, recognize just how bad that behavior was.
Stig911 7 months ago
pretty basic. at HPDE events like i assume this one you get point bys at designated areas, if cars are similar in power you need to lift to let the other person by. Two guys in the same car will never make it by each other.
44dempsy 7 months ago
@44dempsy Amen, there are a few out there that get it. Thanks.
Stig911 7 months ago
Honestly, go back home, sell your car and stop racing. If you think that you go on a track and that faster car than your will just "open the way" to you, well you have no idea about what is racing at all! This is not about who the fuck is the most well educated, it's about being able to take a position by yourself like a big man! RACING FAIL ----
ArnaudShanghai 7 months ago
@ArnaudShanghai For the last fucking time. THIS ISNT RACING! Read the text and understand the rules of engagement for this type of event before commenting. At least I see by your page, you actually unlike that last idiot. So I race as well, I've won, I understand what racing is, this wasnt a race, it was bad behavior in a DE. If you dont understand the difference, just shut up and move along.
Stig911 7 months ago
@Stig911 Sorry again but if it's not racing, why your expectations are so high? Why you push so much? Why you are so unhappy not to pass that car? If it's not racing then just slow down and give him space and don't be so upset.... I mean racing or not everyone knows once you're in a track with whatever sport car, you are not there to count the flowers on the side of the road.... The guy obviously wanted to play a little bit with you, there is nothing dangerous or so bad... chill out man!
ArnaudShanghai 7 months ago
@ArnaudShanghai The rules of engagement, and this is well known in such events, that if you point you lift to let the slower car by. Cars are not classed here. Theoretically driver skill is. Thus you have people driving 150 hp 944s out with people driving 400HP GT3s. If a 944 catches a GT3 and it does happen, he can not pass in a drag race obviously, but then is invariably held up in the next corner. i.e faster driver, slower car agains slower driver faster car.
Stig911 7 months ago
@Stig911 The rules and basic etiquette demand that when the lead drivers points they have ceded control to the driver behind. They are obligated to allow the trailing car to pass and, if need be to LIFT to do so. This is well understood. Here the offender was an event instructor. This makes the offense double egregious as they are the ones supposedly teaching both proper skills and etiquette. Given all this, having to drag race, not once, but 4x over 3.5 miles unacceptable.
Stig911 7 months ago
@Stig911 One final thing. The lead driver is under NO 'rules' obligation to point. The lead driver could have simply ignored me. But once the do point, they have signaled intent. To signal and then reneg, is both annoying and dangerous. That is the point of the video. Its behavior, that both violates the rules and spirit of the event.
Stig911 7 months ago
Not sure what you're on about... looks like you are down on power to that dude and he knew it. He gave you plenty of room to complete a pass, you just coulnd't get him. Seriously you're upset he didn't LET you pass? Sorry man, you're not a racer...
arena2101 7 months ago
@arena2101. This was a DE fool, read the damn caption for the video before commenting. Since when are there instructors in a the middle of a race. I might not be a racer, but your certainly a retard. Learn to read.
Stig911 7 months ago
@Stig911: It's "you're". Get over yourself.
arena2101 7 months ago
@arena2101 Wow, brilliant comeback worthy of some one of your, not you're, intelligence. Piss off.
Stig911 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
You've been whining about this video since May of '08?
MrUltraworld 8 months ago
WOW, Both of you were just making a simple situation very bad.
garychios 8 months ago
Thanks for the kind words. Despite being pretty pissed in the case, I try to play by the rules, particularly if you're gonna complain about it to the stewards and show the video if necessary. In the end, it simply was a classic lay back and gather momentum to pass. Took full advantage of swinging all the way out of the toe while they were forced to pinch in. Carried that advantage down the inside of 8 to get by. We get them all in the end, right? :-)
Stig911 9 months ago
After his point bye, he should have lifted to allow a pass. Obviously you are the better driver in the turns where it counts. Personally, I would have taken the inside on him after the point bye whether he wanted to go side by side or not. If one gives me a point bye, I'm taking the line! Usually one only tries to drag race me once after a point bye.
RollyPolly10 9 months ago
Lol "ok you can pass..... JK!"
lovesara850 9 months ago
Both of you idiots should be schooled. Point For Pass is meant for safety, not a free pass. If you can navigate it safely, then that's UP TO YOU! Not an instructor to slow down. I admit he was acting like a jerk, but you have to have a proper line to finish the pass safely. It's not a free for all out there and free passes don't count. Both should have been Black flagged and had a good talking to from a martial!!!
transam139 9 months ago
@transam139 So just what would you have black flagged me for? Trying to pass when given a point? And where was the lack of safety here by the trailing driver. Did I hit them in the bus stop or , for umpteeth time, maybe you should look at where my head is pointed in the bus stop. Utterly under control, on a scale of 1 to 10, this was maybe a 3 for about 2 seconds. Schooling? If you think this was somehow out of control or black flag-able, you have nothing of interest to teach.
Stig911 9 months ago
@transam139 Says the guy with the trans-am...
floridagator1722 9 months ago
@transam139 Sorry, but it is up to the leading car to lift or slow down when giving a point-by to a less powerful car. Stig911 didn't do anything wrong, no need to lecture him or give him a black flag.
eastcoastbumps 6 months ago
Haha this instructor seems like fun!
nigete 9 months ago
That guy should've been black flagged... for good... These people should never return to track. Very dangerous for everyone.
toy4jay 10 months ago
There are always going to be jerks and fools out there. Take a slow pass through the pits to get some separation. It's not worth letting a Bozo like that ding up your car, or worse.
Miata822 10 months ago
I just would've nudged him in a corner where I close the gap. That'd make him come to life.
Baskentli 11 months ago
I definitely wouldn't want to be on the track at the same time as the car cam was there!
Dude, there is a reason why these are called "D.E's," DRIVER'S EDUCATION EVENTS! The guy giving the point by obviously needs some schooling. But why in the hell would you risk damage or injury to others and yourself, by attempting to correct him at 100mph? The guy in the yellow car is endangering everyone out there, but why must you add fuel to the fire on the track and endanger everyone even more?
PatrickBrass 11 months ago
@PatrickBrass Dude there was one modestly dangerous moment in the whole thing. If you paid attention all attempts at a wreck were being done by the lead driver. Watch the last minute of vid from the carousel where I'm held up, spot the entire straight to the laces and catch up again going into the toe. Then ask yourself hows is that possible when I couldnt pass on the straights. Answer: the whole time I'm no where near maximum in the corners or braking. Lose the d. No danger, just anger.
Stig911 11 months ago
@Stig911 I guess that's why I do POC Events, and rarely do others. We place safety top on the list. Prior to unleashing a new student to drive solo, they must first attend a Performance Driver's Series all day Clinic, then 4 more events with an instructor riding along all day. After this, they are THEN evaluated to see if they have the safety and skills necessary to join our driving event's. The driver of the Yellow car may have a moderate level of car control skill possibly learned from AX?
PatrickBrass 11 months ago
@PatrickBrass But clearly has little if any continuous lapping experience! You made your point Stig, that the yellow car driver was the dangerous one out there. All I was saying is why put your car at risk out there by his rude driving? If this happened at one of our events, he would have been black flagged immediately, and schooled on his behavior. If he did this again, he would be asked to leave, and not come back. I didn't see anywhere in these post if he had been talked to???
PatrickBrass 11 months ago
@PatrickBrass This wasnt a novice. This was in the top level run group. The lead driver is an instructor. Tons of days and my understanding has a race license to boot. I'm the one with multiple AX championships, hence the CC to play with morons like this safely. I've run with dozens of clubs, DE and race. At any event, regardless of organization, there can be boneheads and they are at all levels, from green to the top. BTW, what you cite for POC is <= what's required for PCA to solo.
Stig911 11 months ago
@Stig911 More information helps... If this is the top level run group, was a point by still required, or is it open passing? If it was indeed open passing, his point by was probably just egging you on, and him being a douche bag. If the point by was a requirement of the run group to pass, then he was being a safety hazard, and needed a definite talking to. If the guy has a cup racing license, he's used to this type of cat and mouse action. A great skill to have, but not to really be
PatrickBrass 11 months ago
@PatrickBrass --- (Cont') used in a DE that requires a point by to pass? Even with all this said, the question I still have... - Was this guy talked to about this behavior, and if so, I'm curious as to his response! Flame the guy on the board all you want, but if he was never confronted about his behavior, nothing will likely change until he takes out another car at a similar type of event...
PatrickBrass 11 months ago
@PatrickBrass First, not an opening passing event. Again, you'll note, in the last minute of the vid, I did not go around the blocking car coming out of 6, as I had not gotten a point. Had this been a race or an open event, it would have happened in a flash. But more importantly, this vid isnt up to flame anyone. Its cautionary. It simply documents what is clearly bad etiquette, unacceptable and potentially dangerous behavior at a DE.
Stig911 11 months ago
(cont) Its the first, most basic and simple rule in DE. If you point, your telling the guy behind your yielding, they can take the lead. This isnt someone NOT pointing, its pointing and repeatedly failing to yield. Had I be as oblivious when they cut me off into the bus stop, they would have wound up on their roof, hit sideways right in the rear. The vid is not up to flame the perp. It's here to help make our events better by showing what should never happen. @25K+ views, it has.
Stig911 11 months ago
Seemed to me like it was some good racing. I like having to work hard to pass someone. That's racing idiot. If you want people to just move out of your way every time you get behind them then stick to Mario Kart. You can shoot turtle shells and stuff and the guys in front of you.
kylekalivoda 9 months ago
@kylekalivoda Open track days ARENT for racing, they are for FUN. Usually nothing more than 6or7 /10th
scottiethebody0 9 months ago
@kylekalivoda Speaking of idiots, Read. NOT a race. Not an open track day, a DE. Point to pass. Geawd. Amazing how many genuises comment on this vid that can tell the difference.
Stig911 9 months ago
@kylekalivoda Speaking of idiots. Not a race. Not open an open track day. A DE. The definition of idiot is someone who opens their mouth when they haven't a clue as to what they're talking about. Sound like any one you know?
Stig911 9 months ago
Wow, is this guy serious? and he is an instructor?
rlawlsgh 11 months ago
I would have honked. Just make him realise that he is a retard and unfit to drive.
reavrr 11 months ago
Wow, that guy obviously missed the drivers meeting. Once you give a point by you don't drag race the passing car down the straights.
rhythmnsmoke 11 months ago
heheh :P
frz3d 11 months ago
Yes thank god indeed. Maybe you should calm down? Did you beat his ass after the race or just drive home and lay on the floor in the fetal position crying and/or screaming yourself to sleeep? Looked like the guy in the red one didn't know WTF to do, maybe him and the dinkbag in the yellow one smoked the same stuff before the show?
alloutofdonuts 1 year ago
Those are interesting racing rules. I've never heard of that sort of racing before. Seems like a lot of fun though. Strange thing is, he can obviously out brake and out accelerate you, so you getting a point by on one turn is only going to result in him overtaking you in the next turn isn't it?
svfighter 1 year ago
@svfighter Not racing, which is somewhat the point. Google PCA drivers ed. Out brake, no. Out accel... yes*. *Every extra MPH you carry in a corner is worth 5MPH down the upcoming straight. If you hold up someone, as this person did, more HP wins. In this case, by the time the perp hit the front straight after being passed, I was braking for turn 1. So no, they never overtook, not even close. I was easily lapping 10 seconds faster despite the HP deficit... far higher cornering speeds.
Stig911 1 year ago
That's what corner workers are for. He should have been black flagged, brought in and give a lecture. If he was an instructor then the lecture would have even worse. Does it again.... well I would send him home.
DSRracingdad 11 months ago
@DSRracingdad Amen.
Stig911 11 months ago
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That's what corner workers are for. He should have been black flagged, brought in and give a lecture. If he was an instructor then the lecture would have even worse. Does it again.... well I would send him home.
DSRracingdad 11 months ago
What a douchbag he was. Anyway, what were you driving? 964?
ApexIXMR 1 year ago
@ApexIXMR 1970 911 with stock 3.2
Stig911 1 year ago
@Stig911
Very nice!
ApexIXMR 1 year ago
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musgt46l 1 year ago
As another PCA Instructor I have to say that albeit the 993 driver failing to lift after the many point-bys, if you get to the point where you are angry you probably could use a slow cruise through the pits to clear your mind. Owning 2 "HP" cars it hurts the 'ol ego to let a spec miata by @ NHMS but knowing it is the safe + responsible thing to do is most important at a DE. They do hurt your mojo for the next straight or two but then they are gone... there is a reason they are in your mirror
musgt46l 1 year ago
@musgt46l
YUP! Head to the hot pit for some spacing, and go back out and have fun. After the session is over, THEN find the Chief D.I, and have a little pow wow with the offender! Don't risk ruining your day by trading paint with someone in a stupid DE! Save that for when you're racing for a $3 trophy! ;)
PatrickBrass 11 months ago
MUTE
lemansz 1 year ago
Bump the bastard lol :3
alfonsoskid 1 year ago
it's assholes like that, that signal you to pass them and don't let you, that should be hit and put in the fence to make them really learn to follow what they say. I would have dive bombed his door in a corner
carboneclipse3g 1 year ago
@Vyssockdude Only if the driver enjoys singing soprano.
Stig911 1 year ago
i would think if your car doesnt have the balls to pass the car that your riding, back off
Vyssockdude1 1 year ago
I woulda been ripshit at that guy in yellow 911. I have momentum car, when they do this shit it just makes me red.
bostonaudi 1 year ago
i like the video better, now that its muted
lagundafire 1 year ago
He wasn't even faster on the straights. You point by, you let someone by. You don't keep your foot flat to the floor and make them earn every inch. It's dangerous because you give the guy behind the sense that he can just go past and he starts looking to his braking / turning in points...only to have some clown cut across your line and make you stab the brakes, lose momentum and make the guy think he's 'beating' you because it takes you another half lap to catch him again. Idiots!!
333pg333 1 year ago
He wasn't even faster on the straights. You point by, you let someone by. You don't keep your foot flat to the floor and make them earn every inch. It's dangerous because you give the guy behind the sense that he can just go past and he starts looking to his braking / turning in points...only to have some clown cut across your line and make you stab the brakes, lose momentum and make the guy think he's 'beating' you because it takes you another half lap to catch him again. Clearly not alone!!
333pg333 1 year ago
Looks like he was faster.
thingk89 1 year ago
@thingk89
no. if he were faster, the camera car would not be catching up to him constantly. Just because the yellow car had more power down the straight does not mean it's a faster car on the track. It was slower in the turns and has slower lap times than the camera car.
Regardless, if you give a point-by, you are supposed to allow the car behind to pass. But some of those guys have egos that are even bigger than their wallets.
mikey631 1 year ago
i dont wuite get it. why should he let u pass if ure not even faster than him?
GTfreak88 1 year ago
@GTfreak88 read the comments.
Stig911 1 year ago
WOW Red mist setting in. I am a fellow PCA instructor, and see this all the time. There are plenty of moron instructors out there, the move on the BUS stop was horrid. As soon as I saw a move like that, I'd go straight into the pits, wait 30sec to 1 min and go back out. Maybe i'd report this behavior to the cheif, but there are plenty of egomaniac losers out there who just dont get it. Just remember, it a DE. You aren't out there to prove anything to anyone.
pcar93tt 1 year ago
Dude in the yellow 993 apparently thinks his car is a lot wider than it is. At least that's my guess as to why he's never within 2 feet of the apex on right-handers.
americanAlienBoy 1 year ago
What an ass, he should be banned from PCA events
aojolaifjoa 1 year ago
obviously you were NOT faster than him. lol @ getting butt hurt that you could not pass when given the wave by
alexrex20 1 year ago
@alexrex20 He WAS faster than him in the corners, about even on the straights. PCA is not straight racing, it's supposed to be safer the guy giving the point should let off the gas to let the guy behind by not dive bomb late brake him into the next corner (dangerous)
aojolaifjoa 1 year ago
Whats a tailwagger?
m0eme 1 year ago
@m0eme You've obviously never driven a 911 in earnest. ;-)
Stig911 1 year ago
@Stig911 Err no, im affraid my bank acount wont stretch to a Porsche..
m0eme 1 year ago
@m0eme motor in back = tail likes to come around
rufusvonstorm 1 year ago
what an idiot
CRXSI1987 1 year ago
Just pass him dude...sheesh.
GRelated420 1 year ago
IT BUYS A FASTER TRACK DAY MACHINE
gregisnumerouno 1 year ago
that guy needs a kick in the dick and his keys taken away
Vyssockdude1 1 year ago 2
Your seriously funny.
buddhahoffa 1 year ago
LOL.... my point exaclty. I'm sure there were a few spots you could have shifted this guy into last week but had to endure his display of more HP....
I love that track!
hasbeengood 1 year ago
@hasbeengood Without question. And there is no doubt that this particular vid represents one of the top five most annoying things I've ever had to deal with on track and possibly off as well.
WGI is hallowed ground for sure. Perhaps not the most technical track around, but nothing pumps more blood than climbing that hill and cranking through the bus stop. I love it too.
Stig911 1 year ago
@Stig911 Never been to the Glen, but I've encountered this behaviour many times at Mosport while piloting my pesky e30 M3. Kudos to you for staying (somewhat) calm. Per one of the other comments, the best bet is to chill out in pit lane for half a lap or so.
s0dhi 1 year ago
It's a track day moron. Simply pit. Make a gap. Go back out. The other driver is stupid but come on dude, it's fun and games.
laughsatposers 1 year ago
I've done Kojote a few times, good friends with those guys... schedules and cost are a bit of a factor, but they are great events.
Stig911 1 year ago
thats blatantly bc the 993 wasnt lifting, this is why i would much prefer to go to kojote, bc theres extended passing if if you pass going into the busstop, u dont get black flaged and bitched at for two hours, unfortunatly theyve been having really low turn outs
Elder376442 1 year ago
what region do u run with? will u be at limerock next week with the cvr boys? if so look for my slow 924s haha.
Ej205scoob 1 year ago
I hail from NER, but I run with most of the NE Porsche regions as well as NASA, SCCA and COM. Wont be there next week sadly, but I do run with CVR from time to time, great folks. Have a blast!
Stig911 1 year ago
What are you driving in this video? BTW nice work on not ending up in the fence. Although you were totally in the right and I would have probably handled it similarly only with a more tragic ending maybe next time just pull into the pits.
apd169 1 year ago
Thanks! The car is a stripped out 1970 911 RSR Clone. Stock 911 3.2 motor, 211 RWHP. Fueled with driver, ~2300#. Fast, but not a rocket ship. There are faster cars (as the video shows), but few more fun or demanding.
Stig911 1 year ago
Yeah,, I hear you, my friend. I hate being held up by people who don't want to let you pass on HPDEs. This guy gives you a point-by and drag race you?? He should've been kicked out of the track for that. Anyway,,, good driving.
toy4jay 2 years ago
Ha. Good one?
Why are you so pist? It's a track day with instruction isn't it?
miataget1 2 years ago
You obviously have a faster car, but he outdrove the shit out of you.
miataget1 2 years ago
Let me know your track schedule, I want to make sure I'm not even in the same state with you. You're obviously blind.
Stig911 2 years ago
I'm just bustin your balls dude... Good driving. I would pass without a point or slow EVERYONE down behind me for half a lap and then go like hell. Then blame the instructor for not waving you past.
miataget1 2 years ago
Check. If you read the comments, I've taken a surprising amount of crap about this vid. With no smiley...thought it was more of the same. The vid is more about what a driver at a DE shouldnt do, than what you should, but I rarely pass without a point at a DE. Its just a DE. Which is why I expect that if someone points they mean it.
Stig911 2 years ago
@miataget1 if the poster had the faster car then he would have been able to pass this douche in the straights... Where the fuck does youtube find these dumbass commenters?!?
foobarturkey 2 years ago
Foobar... U R incorrect.
The point of the video is that he is not allowed to pass at this event without a wave from the driver ahead. The driver waves him past but then doesn't let him pass. The in car cam is the one getting pissed because he is told to pass 3X but then challenged to a race. It should be titled "Asshole instructor tells me to pass then shuts the door on me" That would better illustrate the problem. The in car cam probably could pass if he didn't wait for the invite.
miataget1 2 years ago 6
exactly
SpaceCookie69 11 months ago
That's a negative, watch the yellow vehicle pull ahead during the straights, also watch the yellow vehicle take the wrong line through most turns
rufusvonstorm 2 years ago
So go pit and get away from him who cares, are you a profession in the 24 hour watkings glen? The answer is no its a DE and your throwing your hands in the air hahaha
kyledman987 2 years ago
I mean dude you were all the fuck over him on every corner. Smothering that guy. It would have been child's play to put him out of commission. How can you resist?
JaderVason2 2 years ago
Man I don't know. I think I would have put some paint on him sooner or later...Once? Twice? but three times? Don't know if I could restrain myself.
JaderVason2 2 years ago
What a dick. I would have hit him after the event.
christiandel93 2 years ago
Taking a swing is only a moments pleasure... video is forever. :-)
Stig911 2 years ago
@Stig911 true, but he probably hasent seen this video. he needs to learn to have some manors on the track so he doesnt continue to do that, i would have hit him and then still have the video haha
christiandel93 2 years ago
Its not about the culprit seeing it. If they are dumb enough to drive that way, they're not likely to get it anyway. 'Hey look Beavis, theres a really cool vid of my car on the web...uh...huh..uh.'...
Nope, its about people that know the culprit, fellow instructors, DE chairs, etc. seeing it. And they have.
Stig911 2 years ago
hahah good point
christiandel93 2 years ago
I'm an instructor in CA (Laguna, Infineon, etc). I just wanted to congratulate you for not physically harming this guy after the session. I would have been screaming my head off at him. Good job catching it on video.
You might want to check out a less restrictive org that doesn't require a point-by in the advanced sessions. They typically still don't like out-braking, but you can get away with it - especially if you're given a courtesy point-by.
I hope this only happened the one time! - Joe
jnuxoll 2 years ago
Thanks for the kind words Joe! I've done plenty of open passing events. I posted this as the pinnacle of bad behavior at a DE and a warning on how badly even experienced drivers can behave. We've all been held up, but its