How far can you walk into a forest? Halfway... after that you're walking out.
I was taught evolution at school but years later as my studies continued I realized I was walking out of the evolutionary forest. Haeckels drawings of embryos were found to be false in 1864 but were still used in school science books until 2001. I found countless examples of fake, false and biased science is taught as irrefutable fact. Schools should be prosecuted for calling the nonsense they teach 'Science'.
In a murder trial, don't innocent people try and prove something they didn't do? I think it makes sense that atheist have to prove how conscious beings can exist without a conscious creator. It is logical to believe in a creator, I mean it does make sense. Now whether its the christian God or not that's a different argument.
@ghost321000 A religion is something that has been through out history and prehistory used to control people and to unify a nation. It is often the case that nations and empires fall because the social structure is no longer strong enough to unify the people. Many empires have fallen simply because there has been a massive social change that takes away that power from leaders and in many cases it has happened because the old religion is no longer believed in. For example the Khmer.
@ghost321000 So basically the thing keeping up empires in the old days throughout ancient history has been religion. This is simply because it has given a means to control the people. Then again to unify a nation/empire with a strong social system without the use of religion would nullify effect that loss or a major change in belief system would have to the system since the system was never maintained with religion. So if you don't start with religion you don't end with its removal.
Both of you are full of shit! The belief or lack there of the Lord Jesus Christ and his Father is by FAITH and hat alone! You have to know your slavation lies within the belief of both and onoly through the Son shall you reach God the Father in Heaven. All this othe shit means nothing and never will! So those who don't have faith....hey knock yourselves out, those of us who do then see you on the other side of the promised! Oh FYI, I do not go to church every Sunday...I have faith and believe!
excellent video. Very well put. I did however cringe a little when you used the word belief in the same sense as the word faith. Also the air confirming experiments at the end were entertaining. The actual experiment proving the existence of air in ancient Greece used a device called a water thief. It was capped off and lowered into water where it failed to be filled with any like it normally is. Similar to the cup thing.
You people are really going to be picky about how the word "Atheism" is defined? It's not a faith, it is disbelief in a supreme being, due to an astounding lack of evidence. This MinistryMan or whatever it is, is clearly quite radical and tbh doesn't seem like he is very knowledgable on the topics he's trying to bait us with. Good vid though, +thumb.
you admit that everything is possible. but then you disregard the importance ofr what I call infinite possibilities. and you presume to know what is the "only rational thought" and how can you prove a lack of belief. there is a term known as agnostic this is typically a person that would really have a lack of belief in a God. but Atheism isn't about I don't know , it is I reject , or refuse to beleive in a god. or I say that there is none.
i love this stuff because there is one underlying point. its the word "supernatural" if something were supernatural in essence. then how can you in any natural means explain that which is supernatural. hence the term SUPERnatural
@wetlazer for the record the only thing the universe can come from is something infinite like God or from nothing. To me one of those sounds "infinitely" more likely.
@NathanielBarber1 This is called opinion, not fact, you cannot prove it. Some believe in reincarnation we life after life & become one with The Divine. Catholic Church used to say that. Some Believe that God is us, that we are the creators of The Universe there is no God as such it's us. Some believe in many God's. Some believe we are alien races, it's all opinion without proof, where is the proof? At least learn some real science before you try to disprove it.
@wetlazer I am not sure what your comment has to do with what I wrote. my so called opinion is based of logic which is the basis for all math and science. Evidence, we exist we and the other objects of the universe are limited and cannot create something from nothing. Nothing also cannot create something . Therefore the only opinion is something beyond limited physics of our universe. Because of those physics the universe itself cannot have created itself. I'm not ignorant to science.
@NathanielBarber1 You say nothing can be created from nothing so it had to be created by someone. Although difficult to comprehend the Universe was the thing that created our galaxy and other galaxies by big bang events. Science cannot yet see light-waves from before the bang so it cannot show what was before the bang. You say God did it. Which God, Zeus, Amen Ra, Joseph Smith, Buddha, Yahweh? Where is your proof? The lack of proof of God is the issue.
yes! I love the part where you prove that Air exists. Thanks God! I've been trying to prove that for years. well done. that was defiantly the main point from the christian guy's video and I'm glad you spent so much time on it. Take that Christian guy's analogy you got nothing on Atheist logic.
@NathanielBarber1 believing something does not exist not only isn't grammatically correct nor does it make sense. I can't believe ANYTHING about something I don't think exist. Therefore it is I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS GOD.
What i find most sad about this particular one is how he tries to dismantle the answer that pretty much screws him up (lack of belief doesn't need proof). Quite dishonest, if you ask me.
The fact that disbelief doesn't hold a burden of proof is enough to deal with him, regardless if he likes it or not. Arguments stand on their own, and his clearly don't, period.
Thank you for doing this video and doing it so well. This guy is intentionally misrepresenting philosophy, science and atheism to try to make his points.
Best job I've seen answering this question. Have you had any luck getting that (excuse me) pussy Shockofgod to respond to this? Let me guess, he said, "Troll fail, troll comment deleted without reading, etc" That's what he said to me - and lots of others. MMM at least accepts comments. I think he thinks his claim is good. SOG knows the bullshit he is pulling as evidenced by his refusal of comments.
@koplikop ...Continued Mrmysteryman did use these words - He said "We are not talking about evolution and we are not talking about science." But that is the point - People who believe there is not a God (In other words there is no proof) Believe in the lack of proof of any God based on science and evolution. That is what it is based on. Science asks for proof, verifiable proof that can be verified and, in many cases, re-produced.
@koplikop You said: "It's like saying the big bang theory is real. Now God believers discuss how this is wrong but you cant use God, Jesus or any other form of Christianity beliefs."
Your point is lost on me because no one said disprove The Big Bang but you can't use God, Jesus or Christianity. Who said that? You do need to show proof and create solid arguments. If you can do that using God, and God, Jesus, Buddha, Zeus, Isis, Ah Men Ra, L.Ron Hubbard, Joseph Smith, whomever. Feel free.
Presenter is not a true Atheist. The only true NON-belief is Agnosticism. By definition Atheists deny the existence of God. Since they have NO proof that God does not exist, their position can only be described as BELIEF, or faith without facts to back it up. Agnostics on the other hand simply say they don't know. But the affirmation or denial of God's existence, is by definition faith or belief. ~ Psycryst
I think what he meant when he said changing your perception of what the unicorn actually is, is that what he thought of unicorns tells him that it's impossible, but maybe they had a different definition or some different perspective and 15,000 people screaming the same thing shows that there might be a possiblity that he is interpreting it wrong...I think that's what he meant.
@Schism704 They control virtually ever aspect of peoples lives. Mormons tell you who to marry. You don't marry that person you will be kicked out of the flock. They take your money your family, if you a woman. So yes religions would have reason to say sex was a sin, or anything else they decided would keep you in line.
@Schism704 You said "would u make a religion that says Lust is a sin? No!..."
If you wanted a group of followers to go around and tell people to what you wanted them to say "Spread the word" and you wanted them to do things 'Become Priests and Nuns' you would want to control many, if not all, aspects of their lives. If you wanted people to focus only on your group and your purposes you probably would say "No sex unless we say it's okay." Look at the so called religions like Dianetics...
Religion is a man-made construct, as such I cannot trust it to be valid. How do I know it's man-made? Simple, ask yourself; "Why are so many beliefs?"
I'll tell you why, because those who want to control the masses (Religion) want their own, the other guys belief is invalid, because he wants you to belive his version, thus giving him control.
Yes, Science is a mad-made construct, but the difference is that it evolves, it proves and disproves itself to get to the truth. Religion does not.
From Steven Law: 'If you try using reason to convince adults the earth's core is made of cheese, you will struggle. But, take a group of kids, apply isolation, control, repitition, social manipulation: the tools of brainwashing and there is a good chance that many will eventually believe what you say.' That's believing bullshit.
Actually GravityFoxx, to be more specific, both of your air experiments were carbon dioxide. I think "air" is generally used to verbally represent oxygen.
Its a very redundant argument anyway, any question lies within what we are doing to work together to preserve this earth which is all we know does exist and is being destroyed within any and all growth in population, including the many animals we have herded within our cannibalism of other flesh, when it all runs out; Then what? materialism is what we know and what has become our addiction, to believe is to wish to know, but what we know is what we know, when we die we find out any truth?
Would also like to point out, the people that wrote the bible (which was written two generations after the actual event, so how accurate is it?) used to bury their children in the post holes for the foundation of their house so an invisible being didn't come knock it down. This was also back in a time when people died of the common cold, so it makes sense that they believed the things they did. But were currently 2 thousand years later and slightly more advanced, catch up.
lol, i stopped watching in the first 30 sec when he said atheism also requires 'faith'. Perfect example of why its hard to break these people of these illogical thoughts. He literally thinks that God is a given in the universe and it requires evidence to debunk this mythological being. This is what happens when your taught something at birth.
1. Atheists are not trying to legislate who can marry who. 2. Atheists are not trying to kill Theists based on their non belief in a particular theist system. 3. Atheists are not insisting that if you don't believe in what ever writings they have you will be tortured for eternity. 4 Atheists are not offering an eternal reward for believing any particular thing. Theists do all of the above. That is why the burden of proof lies on them. Not us.
The problem is this: 1 Atheists are not trying to legislate who can marry who. 2. Atheists are not trying to kill Theists based on their non belief in a particular theist system. 3. Atheists are not insisting that if you don't believe in what ever writings they have you will be tortured for eternity. 4 Atheists are not offering an eternal reward for believing any particular thing. Theists do all of the above. That is why the burden of proof lies on them. Not us.
WTF... Mr. mystery retard said "look out there's an invisible unicorn behind you!" then "I could turn around and say ok no... there is not an invisible unicorn behind me" ..... ummm no, not if it's fucking invisible.
@thedarkmodem I thought it was an analogy for an intangible supernatural entity such as something like a god. But I agree it is stupid because the analogy proves nothing.
@strengzy the problem with that point is that, in itself, Is another fallacy. You don't get to define what already has been define by those who represent their point of view. That's a straw man fallacy, because the definition is design to misrepresent atheism and be able to attack it. If you honestly don't see the difference, then it should not be of any concern to you; but there is a clear difference. Finally, if he was trying to get a dialog going, starting with a fallacy is not the way becau
What I love is that in his first video he says to atheists don't use evolution or science as arguments against the existence of god. WHAT??? That is s pretty stacked deck if you can't use evolution or science. It's a bit like saying go build a house but you can't use bricks, wood, nails, or glass.
@wetlazer many christians agree with evolution and science anyway, it in some respects helps to prove the existence of God, for we are ultimately all animals. All animals are bound by instinct, and yet Christianity is all about fighting against instinct. All humans naturally desire to follow their instinct so Christianity cannot be human made, would u make a religion that says Lust is a sin? No! Nobody would! which is the argument, it cannot be human made.
@wetlazer its like saying the big bang theory is real, now god believers discuss how this is wrong but you cant use god, jesus or any other form of christianity beliefs
@wetlazer not really evolution might disprove biblical passage, but not God and as far as science there is no proof there is no God. Science does not know for sure where the universe came from anything on that subject, the subject of source is as likely or unlikely as God. I think that is his point.
@NathanielBarber1 The bible is the word of God, and God is supposedly omniscient. If you acknowledge that science can disprove the Bible, wouldn't that mean God's word is wrong? How can an omniscient being be wrong?
So we know that either a) your god is not omniscient, a fact that several fundamental christian beliefs are based upon, or b) The bible was not inspired by God but made up by man. If the bible is completely made up by man, why should we believe that God is not?
@letsgocaps8 The bible is written by man not made up by man and there is a huge difference between those to things. Your right though I miss printed. I will inform you of how I think of evolution. I believe in evolution and God. The two are in no way mutually exclusive concepts. I don't know how long the debate has raged about metaphor vs literal 6 days of creation, but I am in the metaphor camp. finally even if the Bible is wrong on the specifics the question of source is still valid.
@NathanielBarber1 The only evidence of God is in the Bible. If you read the Bible as a metaphor, why do you take the God part literally?
Your other comment "the only thing the universe can come from is something infinite like God or from nothing" is misleading. The big bang theory states that the universe came from a singularity of infinite mass, I.E. it came from infinity.
If I claim that their is a God, I have a feeling that your response would be vehement disagreement. This reaction makes me think that you believe there is no God, rather than lack the belief of God. Most atheist in my experience however, don't simply lack a belief in God but actively believe their is no God. I really don't see the difference in your definitions except activeness or passivity in your belief. Since he is trying to get a dialog going he prefers the active stance, hence his def.
@GravityFoxx I like that you're spreading awareness - this is EXACTLY what's wrong with atheism: it's a belief. I believe in "I don't know", and my proof is easy -- all I have to do is show everyone else why their proof is BS.
When all your proof is reasoning why religion is made up, that STILL does nothing to prove God doesn't exist.
When your proof is 2000 year old witness accounts of magic tricks and stories, at least you're on the right track, even if that doesn't prove anything.
Also, sorry for the third post, but i disagree with your point regarding God placing a veil over your eyes, and damaging your perception. As a Christian I believe that God wants you to beleive in him despite all the seeming evidence against his existence. Our human minds are unable to understand everything in the universe, and as such it takes faith to believe in God. Not everyone wants to discover this faith within themselves, and because of this, the effectively dont want to see God.
I am impressed with your reasoning Gravity fox. You are a very articulate atheist, and though I am Christian, you are the type of atheist that I respect
Great video. People who believe in God cannot, no matter how they might try, get away from the burden of proof argument. And I love all these insane videos with people claiming to have the question that kills Atheism. Then you watch them and some crock of crap that makes no sense at all! It's strange how insecure so called people of faith are about Atheism. If you have so much faith what are you worried about!?
3:22 Ok everyone, lets get a bunch of people, REALLY high on something. When we all see something behind him and tell him about it. We could totally get him to think there was an invisible unicorn behind him! We could intelligent design a whole new species if we do this to enough people!!
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality." -- Preface to Androcles and the Lion, George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
You want proof Atheist? I have seen things in my life that could only be explained by God. I have seen God speak through people and say specific things they would have no way of knowing. Your logic and your science can't explain that all away.You atheist's are all being deceived.
@sweetmovie07 Like what? Gravity? And so called exorcisms( where ppl roll around in the floor with some rare medical condition while some guy in a fancy coat try to heal them by screaming bloody murder at them?) THAT'S CALLED ACTING, YOU CAN SEE BETTER ON BROADWAY ( i can get you some tickets if you want they sell really cheap ones.) or is the acts of God kindness, when we humans actually don't kill each other for the sake of religion?
He also forgot to add in his example that 15,000 people are being told to tell you the unicorn exists by a select group of people who like to ask them all for money and tell them if they don't believe in the unicorn no one can see they'll spend an eternity in the fiery chasms of Hell.
Then when you ask for empirical evidence because logically it doesn't add up that you're just looking for reasons not to believe.
I love all the videos of Christians asking "prove God doesn't exist" as if atheists really care if Christians become atheist. Turns out we don't, no atheist will try and convert a Christian to atheism, they will state their opinion and the Christian will come to the conclusion that Satan is using the atheist to disway them from their beliefs.
This is my proof his faith is a joke. If you read the bible cover to cover, in full context you can make a very good argument the god is the evil one and Satan is the good one. Satan only kills a couple of people on the command of god, stands up to god,(rebel) and He GIVES MAN KNOLLAGE! (best gift ever) runs off with a 3rd of all Angels,(Stud) Satan is my kind of guy. God is a bloodthirsty killer of innocent people and the unborn. God/Jesus is a huge jerk. Read it in the bible for yourself.
With Science there is no book that tells you what to believe, in science we don't know everything (yet if we ever will) because we are still learning, so a lot of the questions (i shouldn't say a lot because the majority of the q's we are asked we can answer) we are asked we don't know because we haven't progressed that far yet, its not as simple as saying "God did it"
Thanks for posting the video from Mr. Ministry Man. I thought he was the one who made this video. I guess you are more like a "host" that broadcasts what others create, sort of like those puppets on Mystery Science Theatre 3000.
And this is why I have large disgust for religious videos on youtube, both sides want to burn each other to the ground.
Why can't we all just get along?
Nope, instead, continue acting like a bunch of brain-dead morons and continue your dirt slinging, while I go do something productive for this world like I don't know...SAVING THE DYING CHILDREN IN AFRICA AND MANY OTHER 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES...
You save the dying in Africa and Indonesia while I stop the pope from telling them condoms are of the devil.
You work in hurricane relief drives and I will keep our youth from being hopelessly indoctrinated and swayed by ignorance.
You and me are both doing something productive, but you want to see the effects of your actions instantly. Good for you, but don't think of the religious debacle as a waste of time. It honestly makes a difference.
The way you describe Atheism sounds more like an Agnostic's viewpoint since Agnostics lack belief, but are willing to look at evidence for the belief. Of course, this is just my experience when I've met Atheist and Agnostics. The Atheists I've met usually believe there is no God and refuse to entertain the idea or discuss the possibility.
@drumsticks57 agnosticism >< gnosticism are terms that deal with the degree of certainty you have in your belief/knowledge or lack thereof.
Thus you can be an agnostic atheist or a gnostic atheist, just as you can be an agnostic theist or agnostic theist... nobody is just an agnostic without at the same time also being either theistic or atheistic, because the term of gnosticism doesn't make any descriptive sense otherwise :)
Consider it like this; they are presented with a claim, they are unsure of the validity of the claim and therefore do not affirm the claim, ergo they are uncertain non-believers, or agnostic atheists :)
The same is true for a lot of people who still would rather call themselves religious/christian/muslim ect. just for the sake of not being an outcast on that one subject of conversation with their loved ones..
@707dontpanic It is a contraction of language to put it simply, like when the jury of a courthouse is in session, it is implied that they are undecided votes until the trial ends, and the defendant in the case of law is always innocent until proven guilty before the jury ; likewise in other matters a claim is disbelieved or questioned sceptically untill sufficient evidence is presented.
There are of course agnostic theists, don't get me wrong, but it is a very small grouping in comparison.
@GronTheMighty But if they were only reserving a decision on the issue because they felt they lacked enough evidence for both sides of the argument, then how could they be atheists?
And by that definition, that is what many agnostics describe themselves as. They're both open, but skeptical about God. By definition, you may be right, but that is what agnostic people that I've met call themselves and have given the term a meaning different from the one you presented.
@drumsticks57 In fact, they could of course also be agnostic theists if they do believe it with uncertainty, but since gnostic beliefs are what we strive towards if we appreciate truth, most tend to gravitate towards gnostic theism or agnostic atheism since gnostic atheism is a stance that needs justification in making the claim to knowledge just as gnostic theism does.
@GronTheMighty It sounds like you're describing a spiritual version of the Kinsey Scale. And while it does make sense and I would agree with you, based on what Agnostics have said, some would disagree.
Atheists are the minority because when religion was first popularized, we knew very little about the world. We wanted to believe that there was more to life than just existing. This led prophets to gain immense amounts of supporters. People were superstitious and fearful. If a prophet came about in today's world with a whole new religious philosophy, they would be ignored. Our intelligence now prevents us from believing in unsupported claims. The only reason religion is still around is tradition
@ReznorRage Very well said. I just wanted to add that for much of history, not believing in the state's religion could result in social discrimination (at best) but oftentimes resulted in criminal prosecution. Relgion, for hundreds (in many cases thousands) of years, was passed on due to state enforcement.
@ReznorRage That would be a nice way to dismiss all religion, except that theism still answers far more easily and adaquatly the larger questions in life, and gives life a purpose. Atheists have a higher suicide rate and its still a "minority", that makes a ghastly prediction for tomorrow. Beside the point tho, rationaly the God hypothesis or ID still makes more sense then what is essentialy a bunch of unfounded hypothesises that are ment to allure people in with the prospect of making them seem
@MagnusCattus just cause its coincidental that atheist are more likely 2 suicide doesn’t mean that they are wrong. Seriously ppl if you breath incorrectly that is some how a work of God! O wait, now your going to say that it is God's work that is doing this rite? I rest my case.
@MagnusCattus sorry, my english isn't so good what I'm trying to say is even though atheists have a higher suicide rate, doesn't mean that it is wrong. It's just a coincident. And let people believe what they want to believe, if you believe there's a God, fine. But you must let us believe that. If you don't, well, that's how many genocides happen.
@dogdeball88 It has nothing to do with it being wrong (although that is my stance) its that atheists are largely unhappy. Nothing I said here came close to enciting genocide or anything violent. I can point out all the flaws with atheism if I want to, and if you don't like it don't read. SO far though, many atheists fly totally off the handle and resort to name calling, swearing, and mocking, when you so much as point out flaws with Evolution, abiogenesis or other such nonesense.
@MagnusCattus what is your purpose in pointing out all of atheisms flaws? To show ppl that there really is a God? Or to just be annoying? And let me ask you this do you believe in christ, God, or Allah?And the flying off the handles thing, more ppl who believe in God fly off the handles because they believe that we are the devil, and we r committing sins etc.
You are a legend, guy.
mrpandabites 2 days ago
How far can you walk into a forest? Halfway... after that you're walking out.
I was taught evolution at school but years later as my studies continued I realized I was walking out of the evolutionary forest. Haeckels drawings of embryos were found to be false in 1864 but were still used in school science books until 2001. I found countless examples of fake, false and biased science is taught as irrefutable fact. Schools should be prosecuted for calling the nonsense they teach 'Science'.
billymodo 1 week ago
In a murder trial, don't innocent people try and prove something they didn't do? I think it makes sense that atheist have to prove how conscious beings can exist without a conscious creator. It is logical to believe in a creator, I mean it does make sense. Now whether its the christian God or not that's a different argument.
rynsinnott1 2 weeks ago
Awesome video, man! Thank you!!!
krisruston 2 weeks ago
you tell me something how has religion benefited us in the world throughout history
ghost321000 3 weeks ago
@ghost321000 A religion is something that has been through out history and prehistory used to control people and to unify a nation. It is often the case that nations and empires fall because the social structure is no longer strong enough to unify the people. Many empires have fallen simply because there has been a massive social change that takes away that power from leaders and in many cases it has happened because the old religion is no longer believed in. For example the Khmer.
Guilthas 2 weeks ago
@ghost321000 So basically the thing keeping up empires in the old days throughout ancient history has been religion. This is simply because it has given a means to control the people. Then again to unify a nation/empire with a strong social system without the use of religion would nullify effect that loss or a major change in belief system would have to the system since the system was never maintained with religion. So if you don't start with religion you don't end with its removal.
Guilthas 2 weeks ago
Why did you flip the video? The letters are all backward.
CrimsonVoid 1 month ago
subed to you because of this video. Well done.
shedininja001 1 month ago
Most theists totally lack any understanding of what atheism even is, so their arguments are hopelessly flawed right from the start.
UncleFeedle 1 month ago
Both of you are full of shit! The belief or lack there of the Lord Jesus Christ and his Father is by FAITH and hat alone! You have to know your slavation lies within the belief of both and onoly through the Son shall you reach God the Father in Heaven. All this othe shit means nothing and never will! So those who don't have faith....hey knock yourselves out, those of us who do then see you on the other side of the promised! Oh FYI, I do not go to church every Sunday...I have faith and believe!
MrBRITBRIGHT 1 month ago
@MrBRITBRIGHT By faith and hat? Do fedoras count?
RevolverUnit 1 month ago
@RevolverUnit Baseball caps work well!
MrBRITBRIGHT 1 month ago
thunder is the sound of god bowling
coltsrule5150 1 month ago
Great video. Spot on argument
MrRewind86 1 month ago
"God can lick his ballsack."
SingJew 1 month ago
My chair has got lack of believe: Is it an atheist?
31Uriel 1 month ago
excellent video. Very well put. I did however cringe a little when you used the word belief in the same sense as the word faith. Also the air confirming experiments at the end were entertaining. The actual experiment proving the existence of air in ancient Greece used a device called a water thief. It was capped off and lowered into water where it failed to be filled with any like it normally is. Similar to the cup thing.
FormerThumper 1 month ago
You people are really going to be picky about how the word "Atheism" is defined? It's not a faith, it is disbelief in a supreme being, due to an astounding lack of evidence. This MinistryMan or whatever it is, is clearly quite radical and tbh doesn't seem like he is very knowledgable on the topics he's trying to bait us with. Good vid though, +thumb.
GRAWpcsucks216 1 month ago
you didn't use a balloon to prove air exists, you claim is invalid
NielsGade 2 months ago
you admit that everything is possible. but then you disregard the importance ofr what I call infinite possibilities. and you presume to know what is the "only rational thought" and how can you prove a lack of belief. there is a term known as agnostic this is typically a person that would really have a lack of belief in a God. but Atheism isn't about I don't know , it is I reject , or refuse to beleive in a god. or I say that there is none.
TheSleepingbandit 2 months ago
dictionary: 'The theory or belief that God does not exist.' its not about 'lacking'. If you are 'lacking belief' you are not atheist..
Pomegranat0 2 months ago
@Pomegranat0 lacking belief that god does exist means the same thing as believing that he does not.
cm3007235 1 month ago
Great Job!!
LanPhantom 2 months ago
wow I have to say wow please stop posting videos
Thomashandyman 2 months ago
And we can liquify air.
looseendsful 2 months ago
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looseendsful 2 months ago
nice job!
chasingimagination1 2 months ago
i love this stuff because there is one underlying point. its the word "supernatural" if something were supernatural in essence. then how can you in any natural means explain that which is supernatural. hence the term SUPERnatural
irishamerican8790 2 months ago
@jesuslamb if you hit the reply button it keeps the discussion in context.
You said "He NEVER said that. and science PROVES God."
So Who never said what precisely? Science proves God in what way?
Which part of science proves God and which God does it prove?
Does science prove Buddha, Yahweh, Vishnu, Amen Ra, Joseph Smith?
All of them, none of them, some of them and if so how?
wetlazer 2 months ago
@NathanielBarber1 You said
"Evolution might disprove biblical passage not God"
I think he would say if the Bible is disproven that does disprove God, how coudl it not?
"There is no proof there is no God" and
I think he would say there is no proof of God outside of The Bible.
If The Bible is disproven God is disproven. Show proof of God of Jesus outside of
The Bible.
"Science does not know for sure where the universe came from likely God."
Just as likely is The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
wetlazer 2 months ago
@wetlazer for the record the only thing the universe can come from is something infinite like God or from nothing. To me one of those sounds "infinitely" more likely.
NathanielBarber1 2 months ago
@NathanielBarber1 This is called opinion, not fact, you cannot prove it. Some believe in reincarnation we life after life & become one with The Divine. Catholic Church used to say that. Some Believe that God is us, that we are the creators of The Universe there is no God as such it's us. Some believe in many God's. Some believe we are alien races, it's all opinion without proof, where is the proof? At least learn some real science before you try to disprove it.
wetlazer 2 months ago
@wetlazer I am not sure what your comment has to do with what I wrote. my so called opinion is based of logic which is the basis for all math and science. Evidence, we exist we and the other objects of the universe are limited and cannot create something from nothing. Nothing also cannot create something . Therefore the only opinion is something beyond limited physics of our universe. Because of those physics the universe itself cannot have created itself. I'm not ignorant to science.
NathanielBarber1 2 months ago
@NathanielBarber1 You say nothing can be created from nothing so it had to be created by someone. Although difficult to comprehend the Universe was the thing that created our galaxy and other galaxies by big bang events. Science cannot yet see light-waves from before the bang so it cannot show what was before the bang. You say God did it. Which God, Zeus, Amen Ra, Joseph Smith, Buddha, Yahweh? Where is your proof? The lack of proof of God is the issue.
wetlazer 2 months ago
Very well said.
FosterZygote 2 months ago
If I wasn't engaged, I'd say I love you. LOL
LoveMyLibby 2 months ago
yes! I love the part where you prove that Air exists. Thanks God! I've been trying to prove that for years. well done. that was defiantly the main point from the christian guy's video and I'm glad you spent so much time on it. Take that Christian guy's analogy you got nothing on Atheist logic.
MarcHebertMusic 2 months ago
If you lack belief in God then I am pretty sure you believe there is no God. That's like 1 +1=2 its a very simple binary.
NathanielBarber1 2 months ago
@NathanielBarber1 its not i belive there is no god. its I DO NOT BELIVE THERE IS GOD.
itsraininglool 2 months ago
@itsraininglool I am not sure how those are different. If I don't believe in something that is definitely the same as believing it is not real.
NathanielBarber1 2 months ago
@NathanielBarber1 believing something does not exist not only isn't grammatically correct nor does it make sense. I can't believe ANYTHING about something I don't think exist. Therefore it is I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS GOD.
itsraininglool 2 months ago
well done my friend
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What i find most sad about this particular one is how he tries to dismantle the answer that pretty much screws him up (lack of belief doesn't need proof). Quite dishonest, if you ask me.
The fact that disbelief doesn't hold a burden of proof is enough to deal with him, regardless if he likes it or not. Arguments stand on their own, and his clearly don't, period.
hellhammerz666 2 months ago
Thank you for doing this video and doing it so well. This guy is intentionally misrepresenting philosophy, science and atheism to try to make his points.
insomniacbob381 2 months ago
Best job I've seen answering this question. Have you had any luck getting that (excuse me) pussy Shockofgod to respond to this? Let me guess, he said, "Troll fail, troll comment deleted without reading, etc" That's what he said to me - and lots of others. MMM at least accepts comments. I think he thinks his claim is good. SOG knows the bullshit he is pulling as evidenced by his refusal of comments.
jcisbell 2 months ago
God can lick my ball sack. So can the unicorn behind you.
sergeantrex 2 months ago
@sergeantrex
nice ,Ad hominem fallacy .moron
Andytheantiathiest 2 months ago
@koplikop ...Continued Mrmysteryman did use these words - He said "We are not talking about evolution and we are not talking about science." But that is the point - People who believe there is not a God (In other words there is no proof) Believe in the lack of proof of any God based on science and evolution. That is what it is based on. Science asks for proof, verifiable proof that can be verified and, in many cases, re-produced.
wetlazer 2 months ago
Well said Gravity. Albeit your not dealing with an epic genius here lol
mastertheillusion 2 months ago
@koplikop You said: "It's like saying the big bang theory is real. Now God believers discuss how this is wrong but you cant use God, Jesus or any other form of Christianity beliefs."
Your point is lost on me because no one said disprove The Big Bang but you can't use God, Jesus or Christianity. Who said that? You do need to show proof and create solid arguments. If you can do that using God, and God, Jesus, Buddha, Zeus, Isis, Ah Men Ra, L.Ron Hubbard, Joseph Smith, whomever. Feel free.
wetlazer 2 months ago
ministry man won't respond to this
Lizardvenom1 2 months ago
@Lizardvenom1
yeah cause he got told
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Presenter is not a true Atheist. The only true NON-belief is Agnosticism. By definition Atheists deny the existence of God. Since they have NO proof that God does not exist, their position can only be described as BELIEF, or faith without facts to back it up. Agnostics on the other hand simply say they don't know. But the affirmation or denial of God's existence, is by definition faith or belief. ~ Psycryst
Psycryst 2 months ago
Well done!
TheUkester69 2 months ago
I think what he meant when he said changing your perception of what the unicorn actually is, is that what he thought of unicorns tells him that it's impossible, but maybe they had a different definition or some different perspective and 15,000 people screaming the same thing shows that there might be a possiblity that he is interpreting it wrong...I think that's what he meant.
peepo9000 3 months ago
"Everything is possible... but that's not the point" ?????
Nongangstergangster 3 months ago
@Schism704 They control virtually ever aspect of peoples lives. Mormons tell you who to marry. You don't marry that person you will be kicked out of the flock. They take your money your family, if you a woman. So yes religions would have reason to say sex was a sin, or anything else they decided would keep you in line.
wetlazer 3 months ago
@Schism704 You said "would u make a religion that says Lust is a sin? No!..."
If you wanted a group of followers to go around and tell people to what you wanted them to say "Spread the word" and you wanted them to do things 'Become Priests and Nuns' you would want to control many, if not all, aspects of their lives. If you wanted people to focus only on your group and your purposes you probably would say "No sex unless we say it's okay." Look at the so called religions like Dianetics...
wetlazer 3 months ago
Damn spelling mistakes, arse!
TheDeadlyAvenger 3 months ago
Religion is a man-made construct, as such I cannot trust it to be valid. How do I know it's man-made? Simple, ask yourself; "Why are so many beliefs?"
I'll tell you why, because those who want to control the masses (Religion) want their own, the other guys belief is invalid, because he wants you to belive his version, thus giving him control.
Yes, Science is a mad-made construct, but the difference is that it evolves, it proves and disproves itself to get to the truth. Religion does not.
TheDeadlyAvenger 3 months ago
whoa! air! you speak well mr foxx
wge621 3 months ago
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wge621 3 months ago
Great job, my friend
maujo2009 3 months ago
From Steven Law: 'If you try using reason to convince adults the earth's core is made of cheese, you will struggle. But, take a group of kids, apply isolation, control, repitition, social manipulation: the tools of brainwashing and there is a good chance that many will eventually believe what you say.' That's believing bullshit.
spaarky13 3 months ago 8
THE EARTH IS FLAT!
kmk408ci 3 months ago 6
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RaoulJuke 3 months ago
Excellent, GravityFox!
ruthanastacia 3 months ago
A lack of belief is a belief kinda in this context. It's a paradox. If you really lacked the belief, then you wouldn't be aware of it to begin with.
zwillredeye 3 months ago
Actually GravityFoxx, to be more specific, both of your air experiments were carbon dioxide. I think "air" is generally used to verbally represent oxygen.
Regardless, great video -- wrong, perfect video.
5/5
Nemesis0300 3 months ago
mr.ministry man has watched this 27 times
wearethemusicyoumake 3 months ago
Thanks for this video, that ministry dork is such a dishonest brainwashed douche bag.
proofandevidence 3 months ago
Its a very redundant argument anyway, any question lies within what we are doing to work together to preserve this earth which is all we know does exist and is being destroyed within any and all growth in population, including the many animals we have herded within our cannibalism of other flesh, when it all runs out; Then what? materialism is what we know and what has become our addiction, to believe is to wish to know, but what we know is what we know, when we die we find out any truth?
DrFruedienslip 3 months ago
Would also like to point out, the people that wrote the bible (which was written two generations after the actual event, so how accurate is it?) used to bury their children in the post holes for the foundation of their house so an invisible being didn't come knock it down. This was also back in a time when people died of the common cold, so it makes sense that they believed the things they did. But were currently 2 thousand years later and slightly more advanced, catch up.
lazychimp123 3 months ago
lol, i stopped watching in the first 30 sec when he said atheism also requires 'faith'. Perfect example of why its hard to break these people of these illogical thoughts. He literally thinks that God is a given in the universe and it requires evidence to debunk this mythological being. This is what happens when your taught something at birth.
lazychimp123 3 months ago
bravo my friend
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1. Atheists are not trying to legislate who can marry who. 2. Atheists are not trying to kill Theists based on their non belief in a particular theist system. 3. Atheists are not insisting that if you don't believe in what ever writings they have you will be tortured for eternity. 4 Atheists are not offering an eternal reward for believing any particular thing. Theists do all of the above. That is why the burden of proof lies on them. Not us.
discolemonade66 3 months ago
The problem is this: 1 Atheists are not trying to legislate who can marry who. 2. Atheists are not trying to kill Theists based on their non belief in a particular theist system. 3. Atheists are not insisting that if you don't believe in what ever writings they have you will be tortured for eternity. 4 Atheists are not offering an eternal reward for believing any particular thing. Theists do all of the above. That is why the burden of proof lies on them. Not us.
discolemonade66 3 months ago
WTF... Mr. mystery retard said "look out there's an invisible unicorn behind you!" then "I could turn around and say ok no... there is not an invisible unicorn behind me" ..... ummm no, not if it's fucking invisible.
thedarkmodem 3 months ago 8
@thedarkmodem If invisibility existed amongst this universe, that would be a valid statement.
TylerTakacsIsAwesome 2 months ago
@thedarkmodem I thought it was an analogy for an intangible supernatural entity such as something like a god. But I agree it is stupid because the analogy proves nothing.
poopsmith890 2 months ago
God watches you bathe.
Strangerinasland 3 months ago
absence of belief, not the lack of belief
FMAiscool 3 months ago
@strengzy the problem with that point is that, in itself, Is another fallacy. You don't get to define what already has been define by those who represent their point of view. That's a straw man fallacy, because the definition is design to misrepresent atheism and be able to attack it. If you honestly don't see the difference, then it should not be of any concern to you; but there is a clear difference. Finally, if he was trying to get a dialog going, starting with a fallacy is not the way becau
paradoxfate 3 months ago
What I love is that in his first video he says to atheists don't use evolution or science as arguments against the existence of god. WHAT??? That is s pretty stacked deck if you can't use evolution or science. It's a bit like saying go build a house but you can't use bricks, wood, nails, or glass.
wetlazer 3 months ago 35
@wetlazer many christians agree with evolution and science anyway, it in some respects helps to prove the existence of God, for we are ultimately all animals. All animals are bound by instinct, and yet Christianity is all about fighting against instinct. All humans naturally desire to follow their instinct so Christianity cannot be human made, would u make a religion that says Lust is a sin? No! Nobody would! which is the argument, it cannot be human made.
Schism704 3 months ago
@wetlazer its like saying the big bang theory is real, now god believers discuss how this is wrong but you cant use god, jesus or any other form of christianity beliefs
koplikop 2 months ago
@wetlazer not really evolution might disprove biblical passage, but not God and as far as science there is no proof there is no God. Science does not know for sure where the universe came from anything on that subject, the subject of source is as likely or unlikely as God. I think that is his point.
NathanielBarber1 2 months ago
@NathanielBarber1 The bible is the word of God, and God is supposedly omniscient. If you acknowledge that science can disprove the Bible, wouldn't that mean God's word is wrong? How can an omniscient being be wrong?
So we know that either a) your god is not omniscient, a fact that several fundamental christian beliefs are based upon, or b) The bible was not inspired by God but made up by man. If the bible is completely made up by man, why should we believe that God is not?
letsgocaps8 2 months ago
@letsgocaps8 The bible is written by man not made up by man and there is a huge difference between those to things. Your right though I miss printed. I will inform you of how I think of evolution. I believe in evolution and God. The two are in no way mutually exclusive concepts. I don't know how long the debate has raged about metaphor vs literal 6 days of creation, but I am in the metaphor camp. finally even if the Bible is wrong on the specifics the question of source is still valid.
NathanielBarber1 2 months ago
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@NathanielBarber1 The only evidence of God is in the Bible. If you read the Bible as a metaphor, why do you take the God part literally?
Your other comment "the only thing the universe can come from is something infinite like God or from nothing" is misleading. The big bang theory states that the universe came from a singularity of infinite mass, I.E. it came from infinity.
letsgocaps8 2 months ago
@NathanielBarber1 "Your right though I miss printed."
That's absolutely hilarious. Oh the irony!
sybite 2 months ago
@wetlazer he NEVER said that. and science PROVES God
jesuslamb 2 months ago
@jesuslamb Who never said what and how does science prove god?
sybite 2 months ago
Nicely done, sir. Glad you're on my side!
ticktockman007 3 months ago
AIR!!!
Taephit 3 months ago
This is so great. Very well spoken, articulate, objective, and clarifying on all points. I applaud thee good sir.
morganfreemanwannabe 3 months ago 32
well done
gauravpandeyamu 3 months ago
If I claim that their is a God, I have a feeling that your response would be vehement disagreement. This reaction makes me think that you believe there is no God, rather than lack the belief of God. Most atheist in my experience however, don't simply lack a belief in God but actively believe their is no God. I really don't see the difference in your definitions except activeness or passivity in your belief. Since he is trying to get a dialog going he prefers the active stance, hence his def.
strengzy 3 months ago
Very well done. Thanks.
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bgiv2010 3 months ago
9:02 = witchcraft
Goat777Face 3 months ago
@Goat777Face
christians would have burned him to a stake if they were to rule the world
rickiex 3 months ago
It Works, Bitches! LMFAO!!!
atheistphilosopher 3 months ago 2
Theist: Blindly believers. Atheist: Blindly unbelievers. The Real Answer is : I don't know.
GreatDukeGorgon 3 months ago
@GreatDukeGorgon
I don't know is a position of blind unbelief :/
WitchHunter93 3 months ago
@WitchHunter93 How can I say: "There's God" if I don't have proofs? And how can I say: "There's not God", if I don't have proofs as well?
GreatDukeGorgon 3 months ago
@GreatDukeGorgon
You don't
You simply say "I don't know, but I don't have a reason to believe you until you provide evidence for the claim" That's unbelief.
WitchHunter93 3 months ago
@WitchHunter93 That's not my case, but I see yuor P.O.V.
GreatDukeGorgon 3 months ago
@GravityFoxx I like that you're spreading awareness - this is EXACTLY what's wrong with atheism: it's a belief. I believe in "I don't know", and my proof is easy -- all I have to do is show everyone else why their proof is BS.
When all your proof is reasoning why religion is made up, that STILL does nothing to prove God doesn't exist.
When your proof is 2000 year old witness accounts of magic tricks and stories, at least you're on the right track, even if that doesn't prove anything.
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Also, sorry for the third post, but i disagree with your point regarding God placing a veil over your eyes, and damaging your perception. As a Christian I believe that God wants you to beleive in him despite all the seeming evidence against his existence. Our human minds are unable to understand everything in the universe, and as such it takes faith to believe in God. Not everyone wants to discover this faith within themselves, and because of this, the effectively dont want to see God.
trololhunter 3 months ago
I am impressed with your reasoning Gravity fox. You are a very articulate atheist, and though I am Christian, you are the type of atheist that I respect
trololhunter 3 months ago
Great video. People who believe in God cannot, no matter how they might try, get away from the burden of proof argument. And I love all these insane videos with people claiming to have the question that kills Atheism. Then you watch them and some crock of crap that makes no sense at all! It's strange how insecure so called people of faith are about Atheism. If you have so much faith what are you worried about!?
s0nny69 3 months ago
3:22 Ok everyone, lets get a bunch of people, REALLY high on something. When we all see something behind him and tell him about it. We could totally get him to think there was an invisible unicorn behind him! We could intelligent design a whole new species if we do this to enough people!!
Firistar 3 months ago
@ReznorRage
There's the more recent movement Scientology. That's gained followers, though their use of manipulation and such. But it's gained a lot of notoriety.
Firistar 3 months ago
Great job.
And to MagnusCattus:
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality." -- Preface to Androcles and the Lion, George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
Syncopator 3 months ago
You want proof Atheist? I have seen things in my life that could only be explained by God. I have seen God speak through people and say specific things they would have no way of knowing. Your logic and your science can't explain that all away.You atheist's are all being deceived.
sweetmovie07 3 months ago
@sweetmovie07 Like what? Gravity? And so called exorcisms( where ppl roll around in the floor with some rare medical condition while some guy in a fancy coat try to heal them by screaming bloody murder at them?) THAT'S CALLED ACTING, YOU CAN SEE BETTER ON BROADWAY ( i can get you some tickets if you want they sell really cheap ones.) or is the acts of God kindness, when we humans actually don't kill each other for the sake of religion?
dogdeball88 3 months ago
Why did anyone make a response to this video? That really speaks ill of atheists if you actualy felt the need to respond to this idiot.
MagnusCattus 3 months ago
AWESOME answer to an ignorant question.
heatherdog1 3 months ago
He also forgot to add in his example that 15,000 people are being told to tell you the unicorn exists by a select group of people who like to ask them all for money and tell them if they don't believe in the unicorn no one can see they'll spend an eternity in the fiery chasms of Hell.
Then when you ask for empirical evidence because logically it doesn't add up that you're just looking for reasons not to believe.
KaiRoland8 3 months ago
I love all the videos of Christians asking "prove God doesn't exist" as if atheists really care if Christians become atheist. Turns out we don't, no atheist will try and convert a Christian to atheism, they will state their opinion and the Christian will come to the conclusion that Satan is using the atheist to disway them from their beliefs.
TheBarroomHero 3 months ago
beautifully articulated answer, thank you!
canuckartist 3 months ago
Smart video , I was left with some questions when I saw ministry man's video and I'm glad you dissected it perfectly, keep it up man.
Brattonio 3 months ago
I don't care what anybody says. This video is clear and irrefutable proof that air exists.
DrDeathpwnsu 3 months ago
This is my proof his faith is a joke. If you read the bible cover to cover, in full context you can make a very good argument the god is the evil one and Satan is the good one. Satan only kills a couple of people on the command of god, stands up to god,(rebel) and He GIVES MAN KNOLLAGE! (best gift ever) runs off with a 3rd of all Angels,(Stud) Satan is my kind of guy. God is a bloodthirsty killer of innocent people and the unborn. God/Jesus is a huge jerk. Read it in the bible for yourself.
itsasin1969 3 months ago
We should never click on any shockofgod videos. He's an attention whore and should be ignored.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago 2
You sir, are an awesome man! I wanna shake your hand. Shit, I want to take you out for a beer.
jeremiahdotsorbera 3 months ago
This is an awesome video.
gen240791 3 months ago
sorry i was distract by that cute look girl on the right.
xxLilJXxX 3 months ago
I love this response video. But I love it even more that you are wearing a Texas Christian University t-shirt, lol.
jwlaureano 3 months ago
Bravo!
Asparkedfire 3 months ago
PWND
BallsMcgrubber 3 months ago
With Science there is no book that tells you what to believe, in science we don't know everything (yet if we ever will) because we are still learning, so a lot of the questions (i shouldn't say a lot because the majority of the q's we are asked we can answer) we are asked we don't know because we haven't progressed that far yet, its not as simple as saying "God did it"
USscience1776 3 months ago
This is awesome.
jeffloss18 3 months ago
you sir....are my hero! but seriously, very good response.
tbjas 3 months ago
Wow. An individual who can clear descriptions and wording while being casual. I almost forgot I'm Youtube.
cuteandfurry69 3 months ago
Nike, Air ;)
lavoll 3 months ago
Thanks for posting the video from Mr. Ministry Man. I thought he was the one who made this video. I guess you are more like a "host" that broadcasts what others create, sort of like those puppets on Mystery Science Theatre 3000.
stratoleft 3 months ago
win
Flappyization 3 months ago
Subbed. I'm impressed. Make more videos dammit!
TylerOmega 3 months ago
And this is why I have large disgust for religious videos on youtube, both sides want to burn each other to the ground.
Why can't we all just get along?
Nope, instead, continue acting like a bunch of brain-dead morons and continue your dirt slinging, while I go do something productive for this world like I don't know...SAVING THE DYING CHILDREN IN AFRICA AND MANY OTHER 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES...
That would be a good start...
Akantorz 3 months ago
@Akantorz
You save the dying in Africa and Indonesia while I stop the pope from telling them condoms are of the devil.
You work in hurricane relief drives and I will keep our youth from being hopelessly indoctrinated and swayed by ignorance.
You and me are both doing something productive, but you want to see the effects of your actions instantly. Good for you, but don't think of the religious debacle as a waste of time. It honestly makes a difference.
YetAnotherInfidel 3 months ago
what's his evidence that allah dosen't exisit then?
Disc0d 3 months ago
So are you trying to tell me there isn't an invisible pink unicorn!?!?!?
TheBitternightmare 3 months ago
ROFLLLLLLLLLL
surgeyX 3 months ago
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GravityFoxx, you are an intelligent dude.
ugotpwnzored 3 months ago
Agreed with drumstick
Medicman2117 3 months ago
The way you describe Atheism sounds more like an Agnostic's viewpoint since Agnostics lack belief, but are willing to look at evidence for the belief. Of course, this is just my experience when I've met Atheist and Agnostics. The Atheists I've met usually believe there is no God and refuse to entertain the idea or discuss the possibility.
drumsticks57 3 months ago
@drumsticks57 agnosticism >< gnosticism are terms that deal with the degree of certainty you have in your belief/knowledge or lack thereof.
Thus you can be an agnostic atheist or a gnostic atheist, just as you can be an agnostic theist or agnostic theist... nobody is just an agnostic without at the same time also being either theistic or atheistic, because the term of gnosticism doesn't make any descriptive sense otherwise :)
GronTheMighty 3 months ago
@GronTheMighty It can if you look at agnostic as being "no/not enough knowledge" about a particular subject. In this case, God.
But by your explanation, then tell that to the agnostics I've met. They swear they're neutral and have no feelings one way or the other.
drumsticks57 3 months ago
@drumsticks57 then they are agnostic atheists..
Consider it like this; they are presented with a claim, they are unsure of the validity of the claim and therefore do not affirm the claim, ergo they are uncertain non-believers, or agnostic atheists :)
The same is true for a lot of people who still would rather call themselves religious/christian/muslim ect. just for the sake of not being an outcast on that one subject of conversation with their loved ones..
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707dontpanic 3 months ago
@707dontpanic It is a contraction of language to put it simply, like when the jury of a courthouse is in session, it is implied that they are undecided votes until the trial ends, and the defendant in the case of law is always innocent until proven guilty before the jury ; likewise in other matters a claim is disbelieved or questioned sceptically untill sufficient evidence is presented.
There are of course agnostic theists, don't get me wrong, but it is a very small grouping in comparison.
GronTheMighty 3 months ago
@GronTheMighty But if they were only reserving a decision on the issue because they felt they lacked enough evidence for both sides of the argument, then how could they be atheists?
And by that definition, that is what many agnostics describe themselves as. They're both open, but skeptical about God. By definition, you may be right, but that is what agnostic people that I've met call themselves and have given the term a meaning different from the one you presented.
drumsticks57 3 months ago
@drumsticks57 In fact, they could of course also be agnostic theists if they do believe it with uncertainty, but since gnostic beliefs are what we strive towards if we appreciate truth, most tend to gravitate towards gnostic theism or agnostic atheism since gnostic atheism is a stance that needs justification in making the claim to knowledge just as gnostic theism does.
GronTheMighty 3 months ago
@GronTheMighty It sounds like you're describing a spiritual version of the Kinsey Scale. And while it does make sense and I would agree with you, based on what Agnostics have said, some would disagree.
drumsticks57 3 months ago
@drumsticks57 Hehe, well, i suppose that is not the worst analogy you could have arrived at ;)
GronTheMighty 3 months ago
@GronTheMighty Yeah. About the only thing I can recall fully from my Sociology class.
drumsticks57 3 months ago
Atheists are the minority because when religion was first popularized, we knew very little about the world. We wanted to believe that there was more to life than just existing. This led prophets to gain immense amounts of supporters. People were superstitious and fearful. If a prophet came about in today's world with a whole new religious philosophy, they would be ignored. Our intelligence now prevents us from believing in unsupported claims. The only reason religion is still around is tradition
ReznorRage 3 months ago 25
@ReznorRage Very well said. I just wanted to add that for much of history, not believing in the state's religion could result in social discrimination (at best) but oftentimes resulted in criminal prosecution. Relgion, for hundreds (in many cases thousands) of years, was passed on due to state enforcement.
dime138 3 months ago
@ReznorRage That would be a nice way to dismiss all religion, except that theism still answers far more easily and adaquatly the larger questions in life, and gives life a purpose. Atheists have a higher suicide rate and its still a "minority", that makes a ghastly prediction for tomorrow. Beside the point tho, rationaly the God hypothesis or ID still makes more sense then what is essentialy a bunch of unfounded hypothesises that are ment to allure people in with the prospect of making them seem
MagnusCattus 3 months ago
@MagnusCattus just cause its coincidental that atheist are more likely 2 suicide doesn’t mean that they are wrong. Seriously ppl if you breath incorrectly that is some how a work of God! O wait, now your going to say that it is God's work that is doing this rite? I rest my case.
dogdeball88 3 months ago
@dogdeball88 no idea what you are talking about, please try to articulate better.
MagnusCattus 3 months ago
@MagnusCattus sorry, my english isn't so good what I'm trying to say is even though atheists have a higher suicide rate, doesn't mean that it is wrong. It's just a coincident. And let people believe what they want to believe, if you believe there's a God, fine. But you must let us believe that. If you don't, well, that's how many genocides happen.
dogdeball88 3 months ago
@dogdeball88 It has nothing to do with it being wrong (although that is my stance) its that atheists are largely unhappy. Nothing I said here came close to enciting genocide or anything violent. I can point out all the flaws with atheism if I want to, and if you don't like it don't read. SO far though, many atheists fly totally off the handle and resort to name calling, swearing, and mocking, when you so much as point out flaws with Evolution, abiogenesis or other such nonesense.
MagnusCattus 3 months ago
@MagnusCattus what is your purpose in pointing out all of atheisms flaws? To show ppl that there really is a God? Or to just be annoying? And let me ask you this do you believe in christ, God, or Allah?And the flying off the handles thing, more ppl who believe in God fly off the handles because they believe that we are the devil, and we r committing sins etc.
dogdeball88 3 months ago
@dogdeball88 If you say so. Ive never once discussed something with an atheist without them going irrate by the time you get to something sc