The Democratic Promise: Saul Alinsky & His Legacy

[jmoraill]

Call it like it is...The Communist Promise.

[finishstrongdoc]

So, if I wanted more power, and I'm poor, tell me why it's alright to take from my neighbor what's his so I can have "power". Tell me again why I can stop praying and start working for "power". Tell me again why I need a centralized power base to tell me where I can get more "power". Tell me again when I'll know when I'll have enough "power". And once I get "power", should I keep it, or share it ? Also, again, please, why do I have to kill my unborn child so I can keep getting more " power ".

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc You apparently don't understand the concept. A corporation is organized capital, you deal with organized institutions, either private or government. So what is wrong with people gathering together and pooling resources or "power" toward a common objective? Isn't that the exactly what happened when 13 colonies banded togethter to gain independence and home rule from the British? Who told you to "stop praying"? It didn't stop Martin Luther King, did it?

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc I take it that you object to abortions(shrugs), aren't these groups organized and vocal as well? Organized to the point that they are impacting in state legislatures, right? Have you read any of Alinsky's works or are you getting TOLD about Alinsky? Have you read Marx? Were you aware that Jesus of Nazareth was considered "radical" for his time? Do you know what "Libertation Theology" is? What are you afraid of?

[finishstrongdoc]

@DAngelo136 If people want to organize a commune, that's fine with me, but once the commune gets too large to be "family-friendly" and starts making bad choices for the families, it makes sense to disband the commune. A man's home is his castle;communists destroy family units to collectivize labor. Families sending individuals to help the group is fine, but I have a right to expect the group will not abuse my right to teach my values to my family. Why do communist hate God, prayer & families?

[finishstrongdoc]

@DAngelo136 Unions impact legislatures, too. If my son worked for a union that paid him to do nothing, it would impact me because the union would be destroying my wealth, which is an extension of my person. I have no vote in how the union ruins my son's values. Idle hands are the devil's workshop. Through guilt, the union will turn my son into a thug, using violence to intimidate workers to OK bad union rules. The union can destroy good consciences & good kids.

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc The union doesn't pay your son anything; the employer pays him. If they choose to pay him for no work, then that's on them. Your second sentence is a non-sequitur: how would a union "destroy your wealth"? Your wealth is not an extension of your person, it is a legal claim against the product of someone else's labor. If your son, belongs to a union, then you're right, YOU have no say at all, any more than you have any say in a voting booth for president or any other elected

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc official, unless you're saying your son is a complete tool. Now how does a union work "through guilt"?. Religions work through guilt, shame, and in the past, fire and torture, yet I'll bet you're still religious, aren't you? You must have a problem with the concept of collective bargaining. See, it works like this: offer, counter-offer, meeting of minds, then contract, you know just like in life. There are union members in many walks of life: nurses, firemen, police, even

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh belong to a union, even the technicians and other people who help him broadcast his misinformation to you belong to a union. They use those wages to pay for houses, put their kids through school and other things, and the majority of them are pretty neighborly and raise good kids, you might be a neighbor of one yourself. You need to get out more and stop listening to those guys who are misinforming you.

[finishstrongdoc]

@DAngelo136 Eventually, unions will turn violent, & start killing people to get their way. There are always men at the top of unions that enforce their own will on the collective & when someone objects to how the dues are spent through conscience, he will be told he has no individual conscience rights & will be either beaten , killed or sent to a labor camp to be a slave; he will be identified as being "crazy" when all he is is "religious.".

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc Whoa, whoa, whoa there pal. Where do you get this? I'll bet you watched "Reefer Madness" and think that it's the gateway drug to harder stuff, didn't you? If anyone ever used force, it was the employers. Look at American history: The Haymarket Riot in 1888, the attack on strikers by the militia on textile workers in Massachusetts in 1912, Frank Little, a union organizer was lynched in Montana in 1917, the Lattimer Massacre in 1897, the Columbine Mine Massacre in 1927,

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc The Ludlow Massacre in 1914, The Anaconda Road Massacre in 1920, The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire in 1911. Many of the victims were immigrants and poor people who were protesting for better wages and better working conditions. Now if you are as religious as you indicate you are, why would object to people banding together in commonality for bargaining power? Just as you go to church for fellowship, why do you begrudge people for the same right that you have?

[finishstrongdoc]

@DAngelo136 An example of how unions destroy wealth is Obama forcing Catholics to go against their consciences and pay for abortion and contraception (killing) thru collective insurance. Communism destroys the individual literally and spiritually that way. The individual is worth more than the collective; if the collective destroys the individual's life or his conscience rights, it has a negative value to the individual, & by logic, then, no value to anyone.

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc First of all, the Catholic Church doesn't have a great deal of credibility due to the fact that they harbored pedophiles for so many years and shielded them from criminal prosecution. Secondly, the policy has been in place since the Bush administration, I mean, the George W.Bush administration, and they didn't have objections then. Thirdly, as long as they take tax dollars they have to obey the law. If they have objections, don't take the money-simple.

[finishstrongdoc]

@DAngelo136 I admit that there are political prisoners in the US, but many fewer than are in communist countries; why so many political prisoners in Cuba? Don't Cubans have individual conscience rights? Why can't Cubans speak against Castro without being jailed, tortured or killed?

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc I might point you to a biblical quotation here, specifically Matthew 7:5 :"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye".

[finishstrongdoc]

@DAngelo136 Take a look at my home page; it's fake. I set it up to catch fool union tool trolls like you . Sorry to have to tell you all this, you've been zoomed. Idiot.

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc Hey moron, you're the one that spent all that time making that website. I'm just typing. BTW, I am also a web designer, I speak 2 languages, have a degree in Economics and have been a union member for 31 years making an excellent salary, oh and one more thing...I'M BLACK! Yup, I'm planning to take my abilities and skills and not only keep developing myself, but also teaching skills to OTHER BLACK PEOPLE. You see, dummy, we're in competition, and you're that slow footed guy with

[finishstrongdoc]

@DAngelo136 OK, I confess; I lied. See how this works?

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc So not only are you unintelligent and disreputable, you're dishonest too. Trouble is: I WASN'T lying. You see, I've run into guys like you all my life, and all it's done is to confirm my deeply held beliefs about you as a group. You're bred to be led, you're sheeple; part sheep, part people. Every time I hear the conservatives rail against Obama, the unions, Saul Alinsky, whatever scares you, I know just what I can use to my advantage. (scoffs) You'e all so predictable.

[finishstrongdoc]

@DAngelo136 My philosophy: "You can't learn to love hate, because hate can't love you back."

Hate on, hater; you're trapped in your own failed project.

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc I don't hate you, not at all. I love my people too much to spend energy hating. What you are is irrelevant. You see, you are unable, unwilling or both to be of any assistance to me or my people. With that, you don't come up in conversation. I'd rather accentuate the positive. But white people have to always make it about THEM, and like i said before, you're so predictable. Like the African proverb says: "It's not what YOU call me, it's what I ANSWER to".

[finishstrongdoc]

@DAngelo136 I've saved black babies from the genocide of abortion perpetrated by white racist Margaret Sanger on your race of people. See Maafa 21 on YouTube. One of them was named "Zion"

"When you save one life, you've saved the world entire."

~Jewish Proverb~

"Imagination governs the world."

~Napoleon Bonaparte~

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc YOU have saved nobody; that woman decided what her actions would be and when you go home, she has to live with the consequences. That's what choice is all about. You choose according your beliefs and values and other people theirs, you nor I get to be the final harbinger of morality. Whatever you may assign to Margaret Sanger, she did make an impact, Women have the right to contraception, and if need be, abortions. You are not an agent for a heavenly

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc celestial spirit on earth, people make their own choices regardless of you may feel about it. You have a religious view, I'm sure you would protest if a government decided that it was contrary to the good of the people and decided unilaterally to ban it's practice, would'nt you?

"Over one's mind and over one's body the individual is sovereign"

-John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty"-

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc BTW, you illustrate my point; it always has to be about YOU. What YOU have done, what YOU feel, what affects YOU.  It just irks you that YOU don't have any impact whatsoever on ME. I did not stutter; YOU are irrelevant to my struggle, you cannot or will not help me, therefore I take action into my own hands and the hands of my people. One people, one aim, one destiny.

[finishstrongdoc]

@DAngelo136 I won't apologize for thinking and acting on my belief that I am uniquely and wonderfully made, individually, with an immortal soul, destined to love and serve God in this life and be happy with Him in the next. It's why all are made. It's why my life made a difference the day Zion was spared from the suction tube. I look at him today and I see Jesus. Putting others above myself is how I serve the God of the individual, the God of all.

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc And who asked YOU for assistance? Again, it's about YOU. :You attempt to justify being self serving by appealing to a "higher purpose". As if YOU are the only one who has a direct line to the almighty. Your morality counts no more than anyone elses. Your refusal to "apologize"postulates that I care about YOUR lack of feeling, I don't. Remember, you're irrelevant.

[finishstrongdoc]

@DAngelo136 As a communist, you're relevant , how?

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc Who said I was a "communist"? I said that YOU are not relevant to MY struggle. You see, you keep confirming my belief that white people, even the racists, can't stand to be ignored. In several posts, my position was clear. On the other hand, you have tried to impress upon me that you are relevant by actions that when on examination was neither requested or required but only because YOU felt it necessary by YOUR values, not mine, not anyone elses, but YOURS.

[finishstrongdoc]

@DAngelo136 Alinsky was a communist; you follow Alinsky; you're a communist. All power goes to the collective, none for the individual. I am an individual, you are not. As a communist, you are no more relevant than a garden rake in the grand materialist scheme of things. Communism is a scheme, a scam, a flim-flam and a bamboozle; you've been hoodwinked. Move to Cuba.

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc Alinsky was not a "communist", in fact he found most ideolgy to be dogmatic and never joined any party. Why don't you read "Revelle For Radicals" so you can at least have an intellegent discussion? Your ignorance about communism and Alinsky is very telling. Why can't you get over not being relevant? It must really wound your ego that your existence is not the center of mine. You continously keep proving my point.You don't see that your insistence makes you

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc makes you blind to what I or Black people want or need. It will always be about what YOU want, what YOU feel, what YOU desire. If my wishes or needs contradict yours, you will not act. So you can't help in sincerity or wish to help if it conflicts with your agenda. Thus you are and must be irrelevant.

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc failing that, you attempt to use a tactic that is the old standby: and ad hominem attack,calling me a "communist". The fact that you use that term tells me that you have no idea of what that term means and that you have run out of intellectual gas.

[DAngelo136]

@finishstrongdoc no game going against Kobe Bryant. You may hate me, but I've got the skills. Sweet dreams, sweet meat.

[XXXREDROOMXXX]

Reverse psychology to make the dominant of the masses actually more like the elite and the willingly submissive less like the elite. Unfortunately for those submissives who buy into the reverse psychology of the media to support communism and socialism they will be crushed by the huge wave of covert capitalism by the dominant and the elite, which is what they really believe in. Only those who rebel, the radicals will survive, or so it seems.