While I find the use of period instruments fine in baroque music, I'm rather reluctant to it for the classical period such as Haydn. To my ears it gives it a slightly rough sound which contradicts its classicism.
ever lasting melody by Haydn. But there are also plenty of nice string quartets from Classical era, please see this blog recomendations : silentstring.blogspot.com
Haydn did not write the German national anthem, nor did he steal it to write this piece. Get your years in a row. Austria and Germany were not one country in Haydn's time, either. If you don't know your history any better than that, could you at least please refrain from writing comments as if you did? What's playing in this clip is a musical piece written by Haydn. More than 100 years later,someone used part of the melody for the national anthem of Nazi Germany-a state which no longer exists.
@epaburke But more than 100 years later adapted *exactly* this melody (the "main theme" heard as the first, "non-varation" variation here) and combined it with the lyrics. Besides, this melody was chosen as the national anthem before the nazis and it still, long after the fall of nazi Germany, the national hymn, no?
However I guess that you're trying to point out that this in no way is a nazi song, and with that I completely agree.
Does anyone know how the Haydn catalogue works? I understand the Hoboken-Verzeichnis but what about the Opus system? The last quartet, which was composed in 1803, was only opus 103, so clearly this is not the usual Opus system that the composer himself keeps in chronological order. Is it more like the BWV system?
@LudwigZhi BWV is a German system of cataloguing any work by Bach, and would translate to English as The Cited Works of Bach. For Haydn, in this same German system, it would be an HWV number. As far as Opus numbers are concerned, they're a poor indication of what to go by because even within an individual artist, there is no regularity. Some artists use them to classify type of work (everything Op 1 may be quartet for example), or an op number may refer to work for a specific person.
@trooubermensch Yes, this is right. Opus numbers are somewhat "publishing" numbers. Op. X may be just one quartet, it may also be a set of 6 quartets, whereas Kirkpatrick, Hoboken, BWV and Kochel catalogues provide a much detailed archive.
This piece is Op. 76 (referring to string quartet work for Hungarian Count Joseph Erdödy - there's six separate works that fall under this). This video is the second movement of the third one. By itself, outside of Haydn's own Op. cataloguing, it's "String Quartet 62 in C Major." This is what you'll want to go by for a more accurate look chronologically. As far as I know, Haydn doesn't have his own scientific (third-party) system like Bach (BWV).
A man who is "refined" Never uses the word For History has a Mind, And has horror shown us, and the croak of the black bird. To call classical music "beautiful" Is at one and the same time, True, and something of shit that is full. After the first death there is no other, mah brother. And after the Holocaust can we write a poem, home? Well, I'm doin' that, I guess, So as I seek to be forgiven, as I seek to be blessed, Y'all can talk that sugary talk. All the best.
Jungle Zeit! But I don't think Germany features such a Tropic vista. And when Germany tried to conquer such vistas, it was a disaster.
Oops, of course, Haydn was an Austrian. Germany and Austria never had einigkeit: too much bad feeling after the Thirty Years War, Britian would have had a FIT had Bismarck ingested Osterreich, about the Anschluss wovon Mann nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss Mann schweigen, and today, Germany's constitution forbids ANY expansion of its borders.
It's legally allowed to sing it, but you really shouldn't. Because people consider it to be National Socialist, though it isn't. It's just that we associate the worst period of our history with it, and we really don't like being reminded of it. Singing the first stanza comes close to social suicide.
Most people consider it offensive to sing the first or the second stanza. Only nationalists do, and their party (NPD) is known to be far right/Nazi. They've been banned a few times now, but it's against our constitution so at some point they always come back.
@ppolo12 At Haydn's time Austria was a part of Germany in the same way as Bavaria, Baden, Bohemia, or Saxony - as an independent state within a loose construction called "Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation".
Calmest music I've heard in years. Mainly listening to it because I got to study Haydn for my grade 3 history...maybe you music geeks could provide some more information!
Actually the text was written by Hoffmann von Fallersleben, who was a German poet in the 19th century. There stille reigned the Kaiser of the Heiligen Römischen Reichs DN, but this "Reich" was split in many princedoms, so it wasn't sure what Germany and his identity really is. The poets in this epoch tried to answer this question in their own, surely patriotic way. (Their is also a quite famous poem, which is called "Was ist des Deutschen Vaterland?)
Herr Lichtbroeder....Danke Sehr! or should I say "Tak"? But isn't it forbidden today in Germany to sing these lyrics, because of their "Nazi" association? If they predate the Nazis, why can't people sing them?
i'm not sure if it is forbidden, but also the Germans don't like this stanza. Its original sense isn't bad, as i explained, but because of its misemployment by the nazis it has to be considered other way. Singing it, is definetly forbidden in Germany.
@BO1R1S1 It is mainly because the text of the first stanza refers to the German cultural area in the 19th century (from Luxembourg "Maas" to the east of Prussia "Memel", from South Tyrol "Etsch" to the north of Schleswig "Belt").
Using that as a national anthem of the Federal Republic of Germany would be totally inappropriate because these geographic descriptions are located outside the FRG. Therefore only the 3rd stanza is the official national anthem: Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit...
Haydn wrote this as "Gott Erhalte Franz Den Kaiser" (God Preserve Our Gracious Emperor) in tribute to the emperor of Austria. It was only adopted later as "Deutschland Uber Alles" by Germany, and was not even the original German national anthem.
This melody, and not the Nazi words, of course, make the national anthem of Germany the world's most beautiful. Imagine if George Gershwin, or Aaron Coplemand has written the U.S. anthem...it would be much better.
The lyrics to this tune as Deutschland Uber Alles (used by the Nazis) are not Nazi lyrics. They existed before Hitler's rise to power. "Uber Alles" doesn't mean "over all". It means, Germany first in our hearts, before all others.
It is a pity this piece of classical music, and the ancient Sanskrit svastika dating from the Neolithic period in the Indus Valley Civilization of the Indian Subcontinent, were perverted by the Nazis.
@frogbuster20 Yeah! I believe that he himself considered this tune his masterpiece, and it was also the last piece he performed over and over again on his piano before he died (although it wasn't exactly these variations for a string quartet, but rather the original theme).
It's very interesting, because the melody (do ti ti la so la so so fa mi) appears note by note also in the famous Alleluia composed by W. A. Mozart. If anybody knows the answer to this, please write me a mail! Thanks! :-)
@Effluitio There's no significance to this similarity. That passage is just a common building block that you will find in many, many other pieces of that era, if you listen closely enough. That's the way they composed music back then (and still do today, actually). They used commonplace groups of notes and rearranged them in individual ways (afterall, that's what the word "compose" means).
Of course, that doesn't make them any less original. It's all about the way they arranged them.
@safa90safa Also the Austrian national anthem i think, or some other country just diff words but being german i only remember it as that national anthem for sure
why is it on the right the russian national anthem shows up???
yurianne07 1 week ago
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jpdavie123 1 month ago
German national anthem :)
JasmineJean89 1 month ago
While I find the use of period instruments fine in baroque music, I'm rather reluctant to it for the classical period such as Haydn. To my ears it gives it a slightly rough sound which contradicts its classicism.
MarcusHK1 1 month ago
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ever lasting melody by Haydn. But there are also plenty of nice string quartets from Classical era, please see this blog recomendations : silentstring.blogspot.com
silentstringquartet 3 months ago
this second movement is downright miraculous
jerryvalez 3 months ago
This is why he was called " The Father of String Quartet "
ReadMyName13 4 months ago
this is ok
bobddu1 4 months ago
@bobddu1 ok?? are you absolutely madd!!???
markusboyd3 3 months ago
Aside from the vast amounts of idiocy in these comments,
Can anyone tell me who the conductor was and what orchestra is performing this actual piece used in this video?
trooubermensch 6 months ago
Haydn did not write the German national anthem, nor did he steal it to write this piece. Get your years in a row. Austria and Germany were not one country in Haydn's time, either. If you don't know your history any better than that, could you at least please refrain from writing comments as if you did? What's playing in this clip is a musical piece written by Haydn. More than 100 years later,someone used part of the melody for the national anthem of Nazi Germany-a state which no longer exists.
epaburke 6 months ago
@epaburke But more than 100 years later adapted *exactly* this melody (the "main theme" heard as the first, "non-varation" variation here) and combined it with the lyrics. Besides, this melody was chosen as the national anthem before the nazis and it still, long after the fall of nazi Germany, the national hymn, no?
However I guess that you're trying to point out that this in no way is a nazi song, and with that I completely agree.
nyo267n 5 months ago
Germany anthem is a great song
TheCyruslau 7 months ago
In love :) That simple!
jadamink 7 months ago
haydn wrote this for the national anthem and it's a hymn now and I guess he used it for a string quartet too
etpenusee 8 months ago
Haydn stolen the German anthem to wrote this piece,thumbs up if you don't agree XDXDXD
duongngocvuminh 9 months ago
Does anyone know how the Haydn catalogue works? I understand the Hoboken-Verzeichnis but what about the Opus system? The last quartet, which was composed in 1803, was only opus 103, so clearly this is not the usual Opus system that the composer himself keeps in chronological order. Is it more like the BWV system?
LudwigZhi 10 months ago
@LudwigZhi BWV is a German system of cataloguing any work by Bach, and would translate to English as The Cited Works of Bach. For Haydn, in this same German system, it would be an HWV number. As far as Opus numbers are concerned, they're a poor indication of what to go by because even within an individual artist, there is no regularity. Some artists use them to classify type of work (everything Op 1 may be quartet for example), or an op number may refer to work for a specific person.
trooubermensch 6 months ago
@trooubermensch Yes, this is right. Opus numbers are somewhat "publishing" numbers. Op. X may be just one quartet, it may also be a set of 6 quartets, whereas Kirkpatrick, Hoboken, BWV and Kochel catalogues provide a much detailed archive.
tekinozbek 2 months ago
This piece is Op. 76 (referring to string quartet work for Hungarian Count Joseph Erdödy - there's six separate works that fall under this). This video is the second movement of the third one. By itself, outside of Haydn's own Op. cataloguing, it's "String Quartet 62 in C Major." This is what you'll want to go by for a more accurate look chronologically. As far as I know, Haydn doesn't have his own scientific (third-party) system like Bach (BWV).
trooubermensch 6 months ago
deustchland deustchland uber alles
Bytorand1 10 months ago
@Bytorand1 Deustchland? Deutschland!!
nonnopirro52 6 months ago
@nonnopirro52 sorry :P
Bytorand1 6 months ago
spinoza1111 11 months ago
Jungle Zeit! But I don't think Germany features such a Tropic vista. And when Germany tried to conquer such vistas, it was a disaster.
Oops, of course, Haydn was an Austrian. Germany and Austria never had einigkeit: too much bad feeling after the Thirty Years War, Britian would have had a FIT had Bismarck ingested Osterreich, about the Anschluss wovon Mann nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss Mann schweigen, and today, Germany's constitution forbids ANY expansion of its borders.
spinoza1111 11 months ago
Don't like the words? Change the words! Like the Sex Pistols did with the Brit. anthem: "God save the Queen, a fascist regime..."
mal4mac 1 year ago
beautiful song from the hearth of germany
knight890015 1 year ago
@knight890015 Heart of Austria, you mean....
juanmlleras 1 year ago
@juanmlleras Austria is as German as Taiwan is China. :)
parker77712 6 months ago
so peaceful...
jackycck2222 1 year ago
this is my favourite music,,, werry werry beautiful!!! nice
edertables 1 year ago
beautiful!!!!!!
caterina420 1 year ago
It is really sad, that due to the Nazis, the real meanings of the words August Heinrich Hoffmann von Fallersleben wrote got lost.
hohertamrat 1 year ago
It's legally allowed to sing it, but you really shouldn't. Because people consider it to be National Socialist, though it isn't. It's just that we associate the worst period of our history with it, and we really don't like being reminded of it. Singing the first stanza comes close to social suicide.
Nascaram 1 year ago
@EvanC0912
Most people consider it offensive to sing the first or the second stanza. Only nationalists do, and their party (NPD) is known to be far right/Nazi. They've been banned a few times now, but it's against our constitution so at some point they always come back.
Nascaram 1 year ago
@Nascaram @EvanC0912 -QU'EST CE QUE DISAIT SES STROPHES ,???
anevia770 1 year ago
the first variation is so damn beautiful
MagicDolphinGO 1 year ago
@ChEr09Socials
It's still the same melody. We just stopped singing "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles" and now sing only the 3rd stanza.
Nascaram 1 year ago
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TbyOnLive 1 year ago
@Nascaram
is it offensive to sing the first stanza?? or it can be sung anytime along with the last stanza.?
EvanC0912 1 year ago
@EvanC0912 -QU'EST CE QUE DISAIT SES STROPHES ,???
anevia770 1 year ago
What a marvelous melody!! Cheers for Haydn! This is certainly an elegant piece and the playing is masterful
seattleladt 1 year ago 6
bleh the cello isnt playing the real part. Cmon mate.
jointedlimb 1 year ago
Excellent !
Wonderul definition of genesis of this quartet and german anthem.
Thank you for uploading.
harpsichordRB 1 year ago
Joseph Haydn String is Austrian and composed this this was the melody of the Austrian Anthem
"Gott erhalte, Gott beschütze"
ppolo12 1 year ago
@ppolo12 At Haydn's time Austria was a part of Germany in the same way as Bavaria, Baden, Bohemia, or Saxony - as an independent state within a loose construction called "Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation".
jcpressac 6 months ago
Calmest music I've heard in years. Mainly listening to it because I got to study Haydn for my grade 3 history...maybe you music geeks could provide some more information!
DIGIMONJK 1 year ago
Actually the text was written by Hoffmann von Fallersleben, who was a German poet in the 19th century. There stille reigned the Kaiser of the Heiligen Römischen Reichs DN, but this "Reich" was split in many princedoms, so it wasn't sure what Germany and his identity really is. The poets in this epoch tried to answer this question in their own, surely patriotic way. (Their is also a quite famous poem, which is called "Was ist des Deutschen Vaterland?)
BO1R1S1 1 year ago
Herr Lichtbroeder....Danke Sehr! or should I say "Tak"? But isn't it forbidden today in Germany to sing these lyrics, because of their "Nazi" association? If they predate the Nazis, why can't people sing them?
nicodagger 1 year ago
@nicodagger
i'm not sure if it is forbidden, but also the Germans don't like this stanza. Its original sense isn't bad, as i explained, but because of its misemployment by the nazis it has to be considered other way. Singing it, is definetly forbidden in Germany.
BO1R1S1 1 year ago
@BO1R1S1 It is mainly because the text of the first stanza refers to the German cultural area in the 19th century (from Luxembourg "Maas" to the east of Prussia "Memel", from South Tyrol "Etsch" to the north of Schleswig "Belt").
Using that as a national anthem of the Federal Republic of Germany would be totally inappropriate because these geographic descriptions are located outside the FRG. Therefore only the 3rd stanza is the official national anthem: Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit...
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SpritesRawesome 2 years ago
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mrs. silberman if you're reading this..hi
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Thsi song sucks
SpritesRawesome 2 years ago
@SpritesRawesome It's not a song, you illiterate buffoon.
Timrath 1 year ago
@Timrath it is a song if you think about it being a national anthem so think about how other may see it before you call people illiterate
LazyGermanKid 1 year ago
@LazyGermanKid Oh, but he is illiterate all right. Just read his comments and you'll understand why I said so.
Timrath 1 year ago
@LazyGermanKid I think a song is where the music is accompanied by singing.
pwkid 1 year ago
I thought that was German's national anthem?
gjc82071 2 years ago 2
Haydn wrote this as "Gott Erhalte Franz Den Kaiser" (God Preserve Our Gracious Emperor) in tribute to the emperor of Austria. It was only adopted later as "Deutschland Uber Alles" by Germany, and was not even the original German national anthem.
lichtbroeder 1 year ago
i love it
abcdefghijkl9898 2 years ago
Die Melodie ist so wunderschön :)
MakaberesKind 2 years ago 3
Melodia deliziosa! Bravissimi gli esecutori!
Grande genio!
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I nazisti non sono passati alla storia non solo per la loro efferata ferocia e inumanità, ma anche per
far razzia di ogni opera d'arte, compresa la musica di Haydn.
gianpaga11 2 years ago
This melody, and not the Nazi words, of course, make the national anthem of Germany the world's most beautiful. Imagine if George Gershwin, or Aaron Coplemand has written the U.S. anthem...it would be much better.
nicodagger 2 years ago
@nicodagger
The lyrics to this tune as Deutschland Uber Alles (used by the Nazis) are not Nazi lyrics. They existed before Hitler's rise to power. "Uber Alles" doesn't mean "over all". It means, Germany first in our hearts, before all others.
lichtbroeder 1 year ago
It is a pity this piece of classical music, and the ancient Sanskrit svastika dating from the Neolithic period in the Indus Valley Civilization of the Indian Subcontinent, were perverted by the Nazis.
jimbarin 2 years ago 3
Haydn is not my favorite composer but i belive his string quartets are one of the most unbelievable and refined pieces ever written
frogbuster20 2 years ago 31
@frogbuster20 I agree 100% with you, it's definitely beautiful and refined. Long live good taste.
MrTakatero 1 year ago
@frogbuster20 Yeah! I believe that he himself considered this tune his masterpiece, and it was also the last piece he performed over and over again on his piano before he died (although it wasn't exactly these variations for a string quartet, but rather the original theme).
nyo267n 5 months ago
@frogbuster20 Haydn is known as the father of the string quartet for a reason
mushanzhou 2 months ago
German overalls?
I had no idea I was wearing "Denim, denim, uber alles, uberalles" -- do they have death's head buttons?
Stuckenmacht 2 years ago
It is the national Anthem of Germany. I like it! It is so melodic! But I guess almost all national nathems are ;-)
MagnaCassandra 2 years ago
could be the best song
unclemonty89 2 years ago
The titanic sinking... ____/____
crazymoffo 2 years ago
that don look like germany...
Rocky1990 2 years ago 3
Wherever it is, the probably invaded it at some point in history. Perhaps even twice.
hognoxious 2 years ago 3
It's very interesting, because the melody (do ti ti la so la so so fa mi) appears note by note also in the famous Alleluia composed by W. A. Mozart. If anybody knows the answer to this, please write me a mail! Thanks! :-)
Effluitio 2 years ago
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atheistbeing 2 years ago
@Effluitio There's no significance to this similarity. That passage is just a common building block that you will find in many, many other pieces of that era, if you listen closely enough. That's the way they composed music back then (and still do today, actually). They used commonplace groups of notes and rearranged them in individual ways (afterall, that's what the word "compose" means).
Of course, that doesn't make them any less original. It's all about the way they arranged them.
Timrath 1 year ago
好聽
weichi6206 2 years ago
this is quite easy on violin...but the violin alone sounds strange... it's the best string quartet...vibrated and a bit melancholic...
EliytresSkogUlv 2 years ago
the German national anthem
safa90safa 3 years ago 40
Austria's
BluezBro604 2 years ago
Is that: German, German overalls?
617martingale 2 years ago 2
@safa90safa Also the Austrian national anthem i think, or some other country just diff words but being german i only remember it as that national anthem for sure
LazyGermanKid 1 year ago
@safa90safa
the previous German national anthem actually
ChEr09Socials 1 year ago
@ChEr09Socials Whats the new one?
leporello56 1 year ago
@leporello56
i actually don't have a clue LOL... i only know this fact because we are forced to learn this piece for Harmony 3 ^^
ChEr09Socials 1 year ago
my personal favorite of Haydn's works
thanks for posting!
ondesmartenot3 3 years ago
Of all Haydn's works? :P
sonata1992 3 years ago