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  • Great video keep up the good work.

  • @NewAgeDirector Thanks New.  All encouragement is appreciated!

  • whats happening at 1:23 ??

  • i shoot people

  • the third dove & 1:14, i wanna be able to do them... tell me how

  • Hi Nicoyutub,

    I use a painting application called Studio Artist by Synthetik Software and a Wacom tablet. Some effects are hand painted and some are auto-rotoscoped.

    Thanks!

  • what is the name of that wonderful music? :)

  • The music is J.S. BACH's Prelude No.1 in C Minor, BWV 846. It's so fundamental/universal.

  • maya deren would love this one, i think ;)

  • thanks. an honor to have you say that. she is a major pivotal figure for me.

  • yeah i totally broke down today in art history talking about her and sarte. haha i feel like a tard.

  • can someone tell me please how you color in rotoscoping? I only know how to get the trace affect but I see that people actual have coloured their work and don't have a clue how? I mean if i coloured each frame as a traced wouldn't the colours all be different to the next frame?please help someone I really need to know this. thanks you experts!

  • Since I am not a "true" rotoscoper, in that I do not draw every frame by hand (I use an application called Studio Artist which is an assisted painting and image processing application) I may not be the best person to ask. But I simply use the colors of each source video frame as the colors I paint with on the canvas. To keep things smooth and consistent between frames I do some blending, blurring and "overdrawing" (painting the new frame on top of the previous frame) from frame to frame.

  • Thank you very much for the advise. I love your work!

    quick question: you said you paint over the previous frame in order to keep the colours similar right? well how can you see the previous frame when you move to the next?

  • what i sometimes do is paint right over the previous frame... so i add new "paint" on top of old... sometimes painting with a 50% blend so the color from the old frame shows through a bit. but understand though that this is all in the digital realm... so it's not exACTly like real paint on top of paint.

  • Right ok. by old paint u mean the colours on the video? and is there that blend option in flash and after effects?

    great :) your very kind to help thanks.

  • oh right! sorry i get u yes u paint over what u previously painted in the frame before! gotcha however didn't know about the blend tool? that sounds handy? does flash and AE have them too?:)

  • not sure about AE or Flash.. but i assume you could work with layers and transparency, etc. some folks use Photoshop. but not my area of "expertise".

  • I think this video is beautiful. I am boomarking this so I can remember when it comes time to make my film...

  • thanks again jonnyb.  glad it inspires!

  • I'm not a big fan of the "new" rotoscoping (A Scanner Darkly" and such. Disney animators knew that tracing everything line for line, frame for frame was not good animation. They found that exact tracing killed the artistic look, especially facial expressions. You have to make the eyes bigger, the mouth bigger, more expressive. It's like over-acting, you have to do it sometimes for it to look real even though in reality it would not look real at all. Disney and Ralph Bakshi were the masters.

  • so does this have any footage where frames were one by one traced over, as per the definition of "rotoscope"

  • very little to none. most of the abstract sequences were hand drawn... actually keyframed about every 3 or 4 frames and then tweened by the 'pewter. but you knew all this already since i assume you read every other rotoscope purist's comment who has whined about it here. maybe i should change the spelling of my process to "rotoscopish"? nahhh.

  • well thats a pretty neat idea what programs is this usually done with? any other than Synthetik's Studio Artist 3.5?

  • Studio Artist is my main (97%) tool. I particularly like it because it uses raster paint guided by vector/bezier paths. so you can have mathematically pure underpinnings, with a "roughed up" painted surface. That tension between the "skeleton" and the "skin" is what I love to play/mess with.

  • great work!

    oh, so you did film it with 24fps but just worked with every third frame? so you would have 8fps? or am i getting something wrong?

    at 1:20 - that looks like photoshop filter, isn't it?

  • Original was 29.97fps. I worked either every 2nd or 3rd frame; then I "tween"; replacing the skipped frames. I skip frames to reduce render times and to create a more "hand made" feel. For YouTube I re-export this at 15fps.

    I use Studio Artist by Synthetik Software. It is my absolutely favorite tool. At 1:20 is not a photoshop filter. The processes I used are less painted & more "filter-y". A series of steps where I smooth & simplify colors, add edge, increase contrast... that sort of thing.

  • thanks..

    so you did not use a filter but sill use photoshop, right?

    i dont get it. this video is 15 fps? doesnt really look like 15.. more like 24?

  • Not Photoshop... "Studo Artist" Though I imagine you could get a similar result in photoshop. The fps of this video (if i can remember which one I uploaded to YouTube) was 15fps. But that is because I didn't want to upload the 29.97fps uncompressed version... due to bandwidth issues and YouTubes file size limits. BTW you can see a better looking version on my website (google: victrolux), on the "reels" page. That one is 15fps too.

  • it looks just like AF filters

  • no filters.  no AE. Synthetik's Studio Artist 3.5

  • Wow Adobe After Effects filters. There isn't anything impressive about this.

  • Wow, a totally incorrect analysis... and spoken with total confidence. That IS impressive.

  • No seriously, can you do anything with this other than remake music videos from the 90s?

  • no. in fact, i am restricted to "doing things" from the early 90's exclusively, Unless you are referring to the 1890's.

  • The music is beautiful. Who is it from?

  • It's BACH's Prelude No.1 in C Minor, BWV 846. I love it because it is so very fundamental & universal.

  • Thank you very much. It so beautiful.

  • i adore the crosshatching on the model at 1:10...really wonderful effect!

  • does this plugin come with AE or third party plugin...? whats the name of the effect on 39 secs?

  • my apologies... I was being sarcastic in my comment below where I said "exactly" about this being AE plug-in. all this was made using an application called Studio Artist (by Synthetik Software)... but none of it is a plug-in. most of it was hand drawn or computer assisted drawn on the "canvas" frame by frame... more like a painting program than a filter. the effect @ 39 secs is made of brush strokes that are shaped like little region areas.

  • Ok, this stuff looks cool, but it's just a bunch of video filters in Adobe After Effects. To call it rotoscoping is like running a garden hose from your back yard to your kitchen sink and calling yourself a plummer.

  • exactly.

    now go read many similar discussions which occurred months ago on this page.

    at this point the discussion bores me.

  • You don't know what you're talking about, obviously. It's definitely not just some plug-in.

  • I dont care if this was easy or hard to do.

    This presentation is sublime and took me into a subconscious journey into dreams I thought I've forgotten. The choice of music only amplified the effects. I wish I had this on dvd. Great job vitrolux.

  • i appreciate your words. i love editing and audio as much as i love animation... i always try to bring all 3 together.

  • I made a track a while back when I was developing Euphoric Grounds albums. Trance, Electronica and Ambient tunes. This one particular track is called Innocense Lost and its an ambient track that was supposed to sink in your deepest, loneliest corner. Its 12 minutes long and Ive been wanting to make a video for it for some time now. But I never got myself involved in video editing. Your video is very close to what I would like have produced. Did this take you a long time to do?

  • Thanks for your nice observations. Well it depends on what you mean by "long". The animation bits were culled together from work done over a few years; the editing took maybe 2 or 3 days. Certainly the first assembly may have taken only half a day... but the tweaking and fine tuning (adjusting cuts & crossfades by 1 or 2 frames and altering music levels subtly here and there to reinforce the emotion of a specific moment) that takes the real time. I still need to adjust things more.

  • Ah I see. Man, I wish I could invest enough time to do something. All I can think of doing now, is flashing images that helps represent my songs. Well, I hope to see more from you. :) Take care!

  • beautiful!

  • Very nice work. Elegant. I'm not sure why there is such a fuss over how it was done.

  • i agree gildersniff... people get strange.  you can see how wars get started. tho i do undestand the fuss. in the original strict definition of the word, most of my techniques are not rotoscoping. Take that logic all the way & maybe not using paper or cel based animation could be considered cheating. Or maybe using store bought paint (and don't do your own mining and grinding pigments from oxides from soil and metal ores) you're cheating too. It depends on how far you want to take it!

  • And you better not edit on a computer! You better use a traditional linear editing system, in fact, you better build it yourself! Wait, forget that, you better INVENT it! While I see a reason to respect a work based on the creators technical skill, at the end of the day the question is, is it good? In this particular instance I say yes!

  • I understand the fuss. It's because rotoscoping is a VERY labor intensive process of drawing every frame. These clips look cool, but it's easy to do with a few After Effects filters, and it is NOT rotoscoping. It's inaccurate to call it that.

  • I'll give it 5 stars. Of course I'll hand draw the stars. I'll be using my own painting program on my own handmade computer. I think that mining the silicon for the chips was the most exciting part.

    I wish all you sackless nit-picking whiners a very happy 2008! I'm sure that your non-existent friends haven't done so.

    Enjoy beauty when you see it. FIVE STARS!

  • Like it!

  • 1:14 THAT'S a lot of LSD

  • its ok but i didnt rly like it

  • Thats not real rotoscope its only a filter effect you dindnt draw every picture?????

  • You are partly correct... I've been through this before (see earlier debates). All of this is computer assisted. As you know "rotoscoping" can be defined very narrowly or quite broadly. There are, in fact, parts of this video which were hand painted (using a Wacom Tablet)... and many more that were painted by a human controlled mac. Only some of this stuff was made with, as you put it, "filters".

  • I enjoyed your film so much that I'm saving it in my favorites. It's beautiful work.

  • me too

  • Beautiful video, but remind me what piece that is playing...I feel silly, but I can't think of it.

  • Hi... It's BACH's Prelude No.1 in C Minor, BWV 846. I love it because it is so very fundamental and universal.

  • Wow, that was really cool. The music fit perfect for the video. Although it wasn't hip hop or rap, it still flowed, and that is the art of movies, if it flowed. And it did. Good job!!

  • thanks dekkonsmommy.. i love to edit. the relationship between image & sound is where I love to work.

  • so this is how the world would look if we were all on drugs yes? No wonder...

  • Some of it, ie. the kiss, just looks a little too much like a blurred, low quality video. However, some really good ideas here. Thanks.

  • Thanks, Iskendir, for the input. Yup, i agree. Part of the problem is the way UTube's compression has a way of flattening everything. "The Kiss" part actually has this nice "canvas-y" texture to the brush strokes. It looks better on my website (victrolux dotcom ), and way better at the full video resolution, uncompressed. I need to remember that when I select stuff for YouTube. Thanks for your constructive criticism.

  • Nice 0.o Anyway you should put a link of the original video. Without Youtube setting ;)

  • yes, AnonymeJester... there's a link to my website in the "more info" area. And to get to the higher res version of this video, just click the "New Showreels" link.

  • People... get over it! I didn't realize that YouTube was populated by masters of semantics. Look, "rotoscoping" can be defined very narrowly or quite broadly; you know that. There are in fact parts of this video which were hand painted... and many more that were painted by a human controlled mac. Only some of this stuff was made with, as you put it, "filters". Why don't you guys who are terribly upset just see what you might like of my work, and move along if you don't. Chill, OK?!

  • lol i was like wait this is rotoscoping? but after reading the other commenta haha...

  • great fx, but this is not rotoscope

  • I studied rotoscoping and film in school. this is NOT rotoscoping. Why lie?

  • Wow...my favorite is the one where a ghostly blur is left behind, one of the effects in the beginning. Hey, the music is lovely too. What's the name of the song?

  • Thanks! The music is J.S. BACH's Prelude No.1 in C Minor, BWV 846. I love it because it is so very fundamental and universal.

  • Sure is. ^-^ And very calming, good choice.

  • Oh yeah, and isn't the swirl effect one of the biggest no-no's, second only to the mirror effect?

  • I believe the 'wasting your life flaming badly on YouTube' effect is actually the biggest no-no, followed closely by the 'closed mind' effect. You know, in certain cultures, the swirl effect is considered the closest to god effect.

  • Yeah sorry dude, I've gotta agree with everyone else that this is not rotoscoping, but video processing with some FX program.

  • lol this is NOT rotoscoping, this is some FX from editing video programs like After Effects. Enough said.

  • although youtube somehow decreases the resolution of even you videos somehow (though they are excellent in other ways) if they only knew how you are worshipped in the studio artist community and how people, myself included, bought the software after seeing your films.

  • A good video. You deserve 5 red stars. I gave you 5 red stars.

  • dude, you've just added a blurry efect over a film.

    very cliche indeed.

    ;)

  • dude, uh, no i didn't. according to "Syzygologist" (below), what I did was "done with effects on my low end cell phone that has video capabilities.".

  • Yeah, get it right, germanMasterroach.

    Hahaha ;-p

  • praise rotoscopy

  • Don't you actually have to rotoscope something for it to be called rotoscoping?

  • the swimming thing is cool.

  • that's some sweet cell phone you got there.

  • New developments from the future of 1975 !

  • I don't see the rotoscoping in this. Looks more like a bunch of filters to me...hmmm

  • I use Studio Artist which "incorporates research results from cognitive neuroscience investigations into the nature of visual perception in the brain. It employs a unique hybrid imaging model allowing individual paint strokes to have the visual richness of raster paint with the editability of vector paths. Users can either paint and draw manually or interactively direct Studio Artist's automatic Intelligent-Assisted™ painting actions."

  • Unfortunately, most of what I just saw can be done with effects on my low end* cell phone that has video capabilities.

    * denotes "like, seriously - it came free with my plan and I couldn't pay someone to take it from me"

    Sorry, man. I hope you didn't PAY for that Studio Artist thing.

  • shut up.

  • how wonderfull, i loved it. and the music fit sp well

  • beautiful

  • that's soo cool. it's beautiful!

  • This is one of those vids where you appreciate life a little more. That was really cool... you just felt relaxed and happy. Thanks for the vid.

  • lol GbZeta just what i thought when watching

  • Ok.. im only 13 but i bet thats what u see when ur high.

  • High on LSD maybe... or possibly even mushrooms if you eat a full eigth or more. But WEED? Hell no, unless you make butter... Butter is the devil, and it's a place I don't wish anyone to go to. Dark and scary, chaos looming all about. And nothing can save you except time itself. Don't fuck with the unknown.

  • depends on what drug you use though. "high" is the correct term to use since the other "low" wont get you near this shit

  • Cool film, if you get a chance take a look at my film I used a similar style in on here. It's called Pumpkin Knight.

  • Some images are very very nice!

  • absolutely beautiful

  • nice composition

  • Amazing!

  • Mac.

  • very nice work

    thanks for the tip about Studio Artist, check out my film ingenues garden

  • this is reallty something, im just venturing into the world of rotoscoping, only basic pen and paper frame by frame stuff, thoug i wanna learn to do it digitally, my college technician told us we could use adobe after effects,

    what would you recomend to start with? as this is my first real foray (other than a flipbook) into the world of animation?

  • I use Studio Artist by Synthetik Software. An amazing, deep and powerful program that only costs less than $400. It allows you to both draw by hand and create rotoscope via na automated process.

    My only general advice about rotoscoping and animation is that you need to love working on detail... and need to be fairly obsessive... if you think you might have been a monk in an earlier life?... then go for animation in this life... it's ther same devotional energy... like hand copying the bible!

  • are the twin towers in there??? can anyone spot them like i did???? or am i just crazzy??

  • yup... the towers and a few thousand souls. (tho I cannot attest to your sanity!).

    thanks for noticing...

    ~vi

  • That's very cool, but what is Rotoscope animation?

  • Rotoscoping is a general term for a very old process of taking footage (film or video) and hand drawing (or these days sometimes computer assisted) animated frames which are then re-filmed (or converted to QuickTime files) as an animaton. You have tremendous creative control of the paint or image processing style... but you also use the foundation or guidance of the original motion footage. I have many more examples of this on my website: www.victrolux.com

    Thanks,Victor

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