He was geeking like hell at... nothing. I'm not so sure he doesnt smoke weed. But anywho. My kid can decide if he wants to be a christian, athiest, muslim, nazi, buddhist, hindu, or jewish.
I did not decide my kids belief in or lack of belief in any god (or goddess) As adults, one believes, one doesn't and one is undecided. As children, from the age of 8 to I6 I sent them with friends to every church or temple and to what every religious group, anti-religious groups and pagan groups that I could find. They have the right to decide for themselves what they believe based on what they know about all groups. To this day I have not told them my personal beliefs.
I'm an agnostic and I totally agree with Richard Dawkins. Calling a baby an atheist and saying you are going to raise her/him as an atheist is just silly and obnoxious. A small child shouldn't be saddled with your political baggage and causes. She's onto Oreos and Legos, not questions of religion and philosophy.
My house's main rule is "Their shall be no talk of god nor politics within this house and all shall respect what the others believe is right unless it's absolutely moronic or dangerous then you can interfere"
An atheist is simply someone who lacks a belief in a god or gods. Babies aren't born believing in a god and therefore are atheists. I have to disagree with Dawkins on this one.
but besides that i want to add that he goes way too off topic in these videos, talking about things that no one gives a fuck about and most of the video is wasted on his personal life which is absurd MOST viewers don't cllick on this to hear about your stupid shit that makes you laugh or your arrogant self writting a chapter in some bullshit book.
yeah i respect this guy and his opinions, and while i think he is definetly an intellectual i dont see how this guy has "never used a drug" in his life.
yeah his jitters and consant unnecessary facial movements could be caused by other "medication" or by energy drinks or caffeine. but from my perspective this guy has been into some sort of narcotic, no that dosent mean illegal substances but it could just be prescribed things like vicadin, oxycottin or some shit.
I dont understand how the government has the right to take overly obese children away from their parents but yet teaching religion to the extreme to child is ok.....case in point if youve see the westboro baptist church song at the end of one of the versions theres a very young baby singing.
Now tell me how can that BABY have an understanding of what it is doing.
If you've seen one of the documentaries done about them, the interviewer even talks to one of the children, not a baby, but probably a 6 year old child, and points to one of the hate mongering signs (like GOD HATES FAGS) and asks him if he understands what it means and he says "no"....children are extremely impressionable and will usually mirror their parents in order to gain acceptance, whatever the actions may be. It's just so sad that his parents chose to indoctrinate him with hatred.
Penn, since you are a "free-thinking" parent and you believe in civil rights, are you going to force your atheist beliefs on your innocent children? Would you condem them if they chose to be Christian? I'm not bashing you, I would just wonder how you would handle that.
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Penn, you're a bad ass mothafucka but
YOU ARE RELIGIOUS!!
I don't subscribe to any forum, or organization whatever, that may potentially breed ignorant fanatics--of which there are many, and we'd both agree? that most of them are religious groups.
However, you voice your "faith" in "No-God" just as adamantly and passionately as a Muslim voices his "faith" in "God".
"No-God-Ism" is a forum that MAY breed ignorant fanatics, although not as likely as Christianity.
Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
In that respect, Penn is not saying anything based on FAITH.
Fact
a truth known by actual experience or observation.
From Penn's point of view, he is looking at the facts and coming to a conclusion. Now, that is NOT to say that he is aware of ALL of the facts, just the fact of which he knows.
In conclusion, where is your proof that Christianity produces more Ignorance than Atheists? You are as blind as the fanatics
I think he doesn't have any "logical proof or material evidence", as does no one else, in regards to God, etc so forth bla bla, and that's why I call it faith (and your definition seems to be in line with my assertion).
My proof about Christianity producing more ignorance is those people I see standing out on my campus square, or outside my movie theater with signs condemning every one straight to hell who doesn't believe in Jesus. I don't feel that's very understanding, or loving: ignorant.
Atheist is someone who knows there is no god. Denial would be to suggest that there is something there and we are simply rejecting. As for your question there is a word for that baby. Atheist.
"Atheism has sometimes been defined to include the simple absence of belief that any deities exist. This broad definition would include newborns--"
Look up the word Atheist on wikipedia. Hopefully that will clear it up for you.
Ah. I have only heard the term be used in the sense of denial.
I've always been and have strived to be as far from religion as I can in my own lifestyle, and labeling myself as something that alludes to the belief systems I'm avoiding makes me feel a little counter-productive.
You don't have to be labeled anything you don't want to be. If you are not religious then that is good enough for me and should be good enough for everyone. Not every person that believes in the Christian god calls themselves "Christian". Don't worry too much about it.
A person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Atheism
The doctrine that there is no God or gods.
A child is not born Muslim, Christian, Buddist or Atheist. A child is born IGNORANT. A child does not have the KNOWLEDGE to decide whether he or she believes in a god, or whether there is enough EVIDENCE to conclude that God does not exist.
Well, there are two kinds of atheists. Those who don't believe in god, and those who believe there is no god. Agnostics would fall under the first type. Since "I don't know" amounts to "I don't believe in god." I'm not sure if there is another word.
Also, to your point at the end, yes there are religious people (me) who watch these. Most of us aren't as upset by such questions as it may seem. It seems to me that in many ways you are more interested in religion than most religious people.
If at some point your child comes home, before the age of 18, and has decided to become a Christian, will you still describe your child as free thinking?
This isn't hypothetical or meant to be a sly comment, its an honest question.
I would have to say, in regards to religion, no. Not unless he came up with some evidence that I'd never been privy to. I suppose he'd be free thinking in the sense that he hasn't simply carbon-copied my beliefs and made them his own, but I don't think that's what you meant by "free thinking".
I don't know if you're completely serious or not, but you may or may not be in for a disappointment when I tell you that I am not at all Penn. I thought it was an open question. Not to kick you while you're down, but I've never even been on TV!!! If you are serious, let me say that I'm flattered to be mistaken for Mr. Jillette.
kids aren't anything but kids, by labeling a religion, or non religion, you separate them from other children. this is what starts much religious fanaticism.
Wow fuck youtube. Why are they adding ratings?! This is one step closer to censoring the internet. Why do people get so pissed off at things like nudity? Its not like you wont see a dick or tits your whole life so why does it matter.
Children are born not believing in god - or anything, for that matter - so they aren't necessarily Atheists, but are definitely born as non-believers. As a person grows and learns they can understand, through critical thinking skills to analyze and interpret the available evidence and come to a conclusion based on said evidence. By taking this approach, it inevitably ALWAYS results in atheism. It's impossible to believe in god based on evidence and absent wishful thinking.
I just wanted to point out that it is a coincidence that everything that the Bible says is coming true. And this is the book that was in the making from over 2 thousand years ago. If parents killing their children and children killing their parents doesn't ring a bell...Then you really do have problems being atheist.
The reason why you live is because Jesus died...if you don't believe then you will see with your own eyes that the bible is real with its prophesies.
I wouldn't convince my children that God does/doesn't exist. I believe fully that people of all ages need to discover their version of the truth for themselves. I may, however, explain to my child what I as an individual believe, and emphasize that it is not set in stone, it's just how I view things. Indirectly, this would be influencing my child to believe what I believe, but that is inevitable. I would rather give him a base than let him go blind.
that in my opinion is one of the smartest things ive ever heard, i was raised catholic im in a jesuit high school hell i have been labeled one of the wise men by my theology teacher and a priest because i just bothered him the whole year trying to stump him and get him to denounce Catholicism but thats another story for another day. But being in a catholic system and being raised catholic just, makes me stronger in my belief of atheism. Ive seen the other side and I disagree.
Version of the truth, LOL, there is only one version of 2+2 =4, and there is no 2+2=5=Jesus dead then rising=space shuttles never getting into orbit. Tell me, why wouldn't you convince your son God doesn't exist, when you have no proof whatsoever that that three letter thing does. Sad, but the William James mentality still possesses many. Yikes
Because it is up to the individual to make their own assumptions. Who am I to convince someone of anything? I fully believe in presenting your version of the truth, however I do not believe in convincing someone in an absolute. I do believe in accepting fact over assuming, however I do not believe in shutting everything else out. That, my friend, breeds ignorance. If you build the proper base, the proper tower shall be built.
Proper base would be 2+2=4, NOT 2+2=5=Christianity, which I believe needs to be shut out. We eradicate or attempt to, breast cancer in the victim, likewise with Christianity ,it needs to be or attempted with the best reasoning, eradicated. It is vile and vulgar and would never be missed.
Just fulfilling scripture, if you prefer skigg patty, I can use that as your new nomer? Start with 1Peter 3:14 , then you will agree, I am just doing what St. Paul said Jesus said I would be doing in the future, which is now.
BrianJung, you just said that agnostic's can't think for themselves. What a load of shit. It is possible for an Agnostic to spend more time considering the topic than a religious person and still not reach a conclusion, and that is fine. Id even suggest some people are forced into religion without the chance for rational contemplation. If ppl show up at church and they say "you'll burn in hell unless you do what we say" not all people will think "thanks for that I just need to weigh up Buddhism"
Christianity is agnosticism also, they just claim they know with a word that means they really don't called Faith, which everybody knows equals or is the exact same thing as agnosticism. Brown is not chocolate and Faith isn't knowing, it's saying you don't.
I think you are trying to describe Agnostic Theism. People who believe in a deity but cannot prove it. Knowledge verses belief. I'm sure most christians (or any other religion) would agree that it comes down to a matter of faith and believing.
Wrong, I wasn't trying, I did describe Agnostic Theism it is called Christianity. I don't need faith to know I am right in my description of that vile and vulgar death and blood cult of superstition.
You're right, your description was much clearer than mine. Your chocolate analogy was spot on.
It's pretty obvious that you don't like christianity. That is fine. I am pleased for you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But what gives parents the right to force those views on the children regarding any religion?
Parents don't have a right, and I think you need to read from Hebrews to Revelations again, there is plenty of incredibly idiotic views amongst those scriptures.
I don't really think you can or should label kids like "Christian child" or even "atheist child", cause really does a 5-year old have an opinion on religion yet? Isn't he just a Child of Christian or Atheist parents untill he chooses his own beleifs when he has though about it?
free thinking parenting? so christians cant be free thinking? thats ridiculous and makes no sense. people need to quit downing the christian faith so much. free thinking is still a label so say what it is atheisim
Christians are not freethinking, you cant even admit that evolution is proven because your faith demands you believe that the earth was created in seven days six thousand yrs ago. And you believe in the unnatural fact of a virgin birth, and rising from the dead. And you claim Christians are freethinking? What a joke.
>"Do atheist parents teach their children that the one exception to atheism is Palestinians must be thrown off their land because European Jews have an Invisible Cloud Father who 1000s of years ago told their mythical ancestors that a certain big desert belonged to them? And that the US should support this belief with $5 billion a year in aid plus unlimited military support? And that any questioning the Palestinian genocide should be wrongly branded as anti-Jewish bigots?"
Sunday school is indoctrination, and parents have every right to do it. It strikes me as a hideous thing to do, but I'm an immoral, baby killing, puppy strangling heathen.
If atheism is taken as a negative position, as George H. Smith would have it, a lack of any positive belief, then, as he points out in his book, "Atheism, The Case Against God" babies ARE atheists, they cannot believe in what they don't know about, so, from that standpoint, even respecting Dawkins' position, I see nothing factually wrong with putting such a shirt on a baby. Other considerations are whether it makes them a target or constitutes a definition they might eventually rebel against.
a child should be educated on all religeons ,and i dont mean indocrinated..just told . as the child matures if he/she chooses ...then its up to them! i choose not to believe,believers just amuse me.but i want my kids to choose for themselves. by the way you rock dude : )
That's not practical though. There are over 10,000 religions in the world and of those there are thousands of potential sub-sects or denominations of the main religions. Christianity itself features over 30,000 denominations. So to study them all would take multiple lifetimes.. it just isn't practical.
Haha! That is a ridiculos comment. I'm sure danerousprimate isn't suggesting sitting a 10 year old down and begin explaining to them the subtle variations of 30,000 denominations. WTF. I'd suggest brushing over the major ones maybe a dozen. If the kid is interested in one, or hearing more, then take it further.
So you advocate shutting out 29,988 denominations -- all of which have an equally good chance of "being right" and striking a chord with an individual more-so than the pitiful dozen that you recommend the kid learn about -- in favor of simplicity?
The easiest solution is to let adults decide what they want to believe in. Don't teach the child *any* kind of religious teachings, allow them to grow up into an adult free from religion and then let them make a decision based on their own research.
When little Johnny comes home from school and asks why a school mate has to go to church, thats when you can give a simplified version of a few of the major religions. Why the major ones? So he has an awareness and some knowledge of the world. He'll probably lose interest pretty fucking quick which is cool, he's a kid. No "shutting out" at all, he may start filtering through those denominations if he wants, although he'll probably go play his xbox.
>"Do atheist parents teach their children that the one exception to atheism is Palestinians must be thrown off their land because European Jews have an Invisible Cloud Father who 1000s of years ago told their mythical ancestors that a certain big desert belonged to them? And that the US should support this belief with $5 billion a year in aid plus unlimited military support? And that any questioning the Palestinian genocide should be wrongly branded as anti-Jewish bigots?"
"Does anyone think that raising a child to be atheist is any different from the parents raising a child to be religious?"
yes. the main difference i see is that with religious indoctrination, you'd be teaching the child to believe things without evidence, whereas with being raised atheist it would be quite the opposite.
but yes, i can see your point that either way it is indoctrination. and im not sure if letting the kids decide would be the best idea. kids make some wacky choices.
Does anyone think that raising a child to be atheist is any different from the parents raising a child to be religious? Should parents take the time to let kids see all the options before them to make their own decisions? Granted, the younger the child the harder this task may be.
Its a hard question. Ultimately you can't make that decision for them, but I don't see anything wrong with doing your best to steer them in the right direction. Stress the importance of having reasons for your beliefs, this is a bedrock that even if they change their minds might enable civil conversation. Show them the problems with evidence for religion, acquaint them with the similarities, differences and histories of as many as you can. If they end up religious they'll be a liberal sort.
I think parents impressing their own religious beliefs on to their child is wrong, religious or atheist. A child's mind is more sensitive to this kind of persuasion. If a child grows up being told one thing by strong role models like their parents then as an adult believe something different from their own free thought, then they're going to have some guilt issues. Parents should take an agnostic standpoint, and maybe present the different options for their child
As much as I agree with you, I'm not seeing it. When I told my ma I wasn't a Christian anymore she said she would pray for me. I was angry at first, wondering if she had even heard what I told her, but realized later that she was only doing what she thought was the best thing for me. Her reality told her that I was going to hell where my reality does not.
Parents (usually) do what's best for their kids and keeping them out of hell is something at the top of their lists, I'm sure.
I think this is where our opinions differ, religion may or may not be valid, however mentally scarring a kid for life is certainly real. If a child spends the first 18 years of their life being told god is bullshit, then leaves home and decides (for example) that Mormons have got it right, then they're always going to have echoes of their parents opinion their interfering with their free thought. The reverse is also true, a christian kid is going to feel guily about fucking out of wedlock.
The reverse is not true,because the opposite side is not based on reason and truth as accepted by most humans. Atheism is 2+2=4 so learning that for 18 is good, 2+2=5=Mormons and believers in Jesus's divinity. Switching over to that math after 18 years is not recommended.
You argument is "Religion is not based on logic". Fair enough viewpoint. Stick to that rather than trying to use maths to prove correct religious teaching.
"Is not recommended" that is pretty loose language. Not recommended by who? The Vatican, the Surgeon General, 9 out of 10 nutritionists?!
Math has proven useful for NASA's space program, Religion raises people from the dead, sorry Mr. I should stick to, but Religious math keeps the space shuttle on the ground. I think I'll stick to proving how incorrect religious teaching can be with math.
You probably ban your kids from porn, well, Christianity is just as vile and vulgar. I don't ban women with breast cancer, I fight it with chemo, etc, wishing I could ban it, but nonetheless, I don't hate the woman, I hate the cancer. In other words I don't hate you, just the Christianity and would hate it also for poisoning my child's brain.
I'd ban my children from porn until they have past puberty, I'm sure I don't need to justify this reasoning. It is you opinion that religion is poison. What right does an adult have to force their opinion on a child? I hate Rugby, but if my child chose to play I would support him in that decision, out of love for my kid.
I don't think Rugby teaches you will go to hell if you lose, or if you believe you will. Big difference, come on even Jesus according to Matthew knew a mustard seed doesn't grow into an orange tree, stop comparing to different things. Don't forget all your talk about parenting is useless when the ultimate failure at parenting was Mr. universe creator in the garden with his children Adam and Eve, we never ever from the start had an example to live by.
It is fun talking to you. So far you have compared religion to maths, spaceships, breast cancer, mustard seeds, pornography, and chocolate. I mention Rugby and now I'm the one continually going off topic.
The issue is childrens freedom to religion, not christianity specifically. Do you think the human race should give up on parenting because of a story in a book? Why would you care about hell if you don't believe in it, and if you do believe why not give your child the freedom to decide?
Hell is vile, and the wings of angels don't need backing from God, to reveal his plan of salvation to nutjobs, baked with the tears of innocent children, it's just vulgar and vile. Let our bones rest in the grave, and the nutjobs that want to live forever, ok, let them live forever, I could care less.
Yeah you would be as bad a parent as Jehovah in the garden with Eve, let the child decide, oh let's see, do you want to learn 2+2=4, or do you want to believe and decide 2+2=5?
Dude, you're fucked in the head. I've given up on this conversation with you. I'm presenting logical agruments and you're stubborn and full of hate. You're in a completely different realm to me. I can't win against crazy.
You can't recognize crazy, anybody that believes in the supernatural can't. You have no proof of supernatural or that you understand what you define as crazy. Please wipe your mirror, because the grime has made you forget who you might be, and what you are becoming.
Lol, I can recognise crazy, and you are it. That last comment topped it off. Sorry it's not nice to laugh at those less fortunate, my bad. I've never said that I believe in the supernatural, where the hell did you get that from?! I'm starting to think that replying to you is just giving you permission to run your mouth about crazy shit.
The American Humanist Association has been promoting a Sunday School curriculum of sorts to so folks can instill kids with the Humanist/Freethinker philosophy. Not sure the kids would appreciate being put through that much though.
I am just glad that the atheist movement is growing in the U.S. and am pleased to know that intelligent, funny, men like Penn, Bill Maher, and Sam Harris are showing religion for what it is, a sad delusion and an acceptance of ignorance over truth.
NOTHING could be further from the truth, i find quite the opposite, more are turning to a belief in Jesus the son of God not Freemasonary or Atheism
>"Do atheist parents teach their children that the one exception to atheism is Palestinians must be thrown off their land because European Jews have an Invisible Cloud Father who 1000s of years ago told their mythical ancestors that a certain big desert belonged to them? And that the US should support this belief with $5 billion a year in aid plus unlimited military support? And that any questioning the Palestinian genocide should be wrongly branded as anti-Jewish bigots?"
4 days ago c6gunner said.. "No. Atheism is simply the LACK of a belief in god. The belief that there is no god is a completely different thing - it's called antitheism"
21 hrs ago I said "Atheism is the DISBELIEF in the existence of deity"
Merriam-Webster says..."atheism...disbelief in the existence of deity"
I'd also like to note that M-W does not have "antitheism" listed in it's online dictionary.
Saying that babies are born with religious beliefs is completely ludicious and downright bogus. This would be the mind of an extreme Christian Fundamentalist.
Babies are born atheist as if they lack beliefs. That is when their parents shove religious beliefs down their throats.
Do atheist parents teach their children that the one exception to atheism is Palestinians must be thrown off their land because European Jews have an Invisible Cloud Father who thousands of years ago told their mythical ancestors that a certain big desert belonged to them? And that the US should support this belief with $5 billion a year in aid plus unlimited military support? And that any questioning the Palestinian genocide should be wrongly branded as anti-Jewish bigots?
"Do atheist parents teach their children that ... Palestinians must be thrown off their land because European Jews have an Invisible Cloud Father ..."
No, you retarded troll, we don't.
"Just asking."
Oh, ok. Are you the product of an incestuous union between a microcephalic and a Asperger's sufferer? Just asking.
My girlfriend and I have talked about it, and I'd like to share my oppion...
Yes Penn, there IS a difference between raising a "free thinking" child and raising him/her atheist
Athiests belive theres no god, an athiest raised child belives theres no god.
A child raised "free thinking".... I belive, means that the child, at an age of maturity (not a fucking infant" decides if they belive in a god/s or not.
Hope that shares some insight, just my thoughts on the subject.
No. Atheism is simply the LACK of a belief in god. The belief that there is no god is a completely different thing - it's called antitheism. All antitheists are also atheists, but not all atheists are antitheists.
Atheism is the DISBELIEF in the existence of deity (that would be me, for one). Antithesis has nothing to do with religion, or lack there of. It has to do with contrasts of words
Antitheists I do believe is NOT a word for anything
Removing the words "Christards or" from your several page essay in the book _Parenting Beyond Belief_ changed the entire essay SO much that NONE of it is your own? Two words removed causes you to disown it entirely? Really? Wow. Those two words must completely sum up your thoughts on parenting. Intereresting.
I always thought that Dawkins ascribed a level of importance to this matter (Christian children) that it simply does not hold. Dawkins is technically right but.. so what? Is this a battle worth fighting? What do you gain? It just seems really petty and trivial.
in 1820 a man named fredrick osloft one day he was working in his lab until a ghost came by and killed him the next morning fredrick was nowhere to be seen 100 years later two boys went in the lab as a dare the boys where never seen again where aparently murdered now that u have read this comment tonight when u go to sleep the two boys and fredrick will come and murder you but you can stop this by posting this comment on 5 other videos by midnight
I am just glad that the atheist movement is growing in the U.S. and am pleased to know that intelligent, funny, men like Penn, Bill Maher, and Sam Harris are showing religion for what it is, a sad delusion and an acceptance of ignorance over truth.
who said we choose nothing? there is something- a most lovely reality. there is living in the now, and there is finding beauty in being your own master. that is a more spiritual experience than anything written in any holy book or preached by any priest.
ha.since when were we a 'together nation'?all through our history we have been separated.the revolution, the witch trials, the civil war, all the way up to the japanese concentration camps in world war two and the vietnam war, the segregation of blacks, the willingness to overlook plights of the minority. gays, blacks,japanese, irish,hispanic,native american,and more.we still are great.but we have never been truly together.one major reason why? two destructive little words: Holy Bible.
this guy is a repulsive kenite. if you think he has any points you are deceived. he is part of the deception. there is a seed line of cain. it lives to this day. don't know what i'm talking about? check out my vids on the subject. also, i like the illuminati pyramid he's wearing around his sorry neck. i'd love to debate this fool on national television. pathetic. out.
I'd rather have my kids (when I have kids) as freethinkers, as opposed to atheists. That is, my children will not be necessarily atheists; they will be freethinkers who are allowed to believe whatever they want.
I'm an atheist, but if my children want to be church-going Christians, I will happily drive them their every Sunday morning.
I do have small children and I agree with this...to a point. My 6 and 8 yr. old daughters have gone to church after staying over a friends house, I have a problem with that because they are too young to be considered free thinkers. My 13 yr old daughter recently asked me if she could go to church, at first I said no but I know she's a smart kid so I changed my mind and just told her I was not encouraging it. I'm still not sure that was the right decision but parenting is not an exact science.
Being an atheist parent and atheist parenting are two totally different things. Atheists are notorious for making their unbelief all about virtue replete with codified morals. That's just another form of religion. One doesn't need a god to be in a religion, one needs zeal and a purpose stemming from it.
Making positive affirmations about God's NON-existent, to children no less, is irrational, which runs counter to the "rationalist" claim they're so apt to espouse.
yea really simple. humorous though the debate about what to call children one or the other. i would understand either to be the same. both still lead the person to ask why things happen, and know that not all things need an answer right now. critical thinking.
About what Mr. Dawkins said, I think I agree with that most of the time. But in my opinion, you could say that a child is atheist, because, if you think about it, the only one thing required for someone to be an atheist is = not beleiving. It doesn´t matter if you don´t belevie because you´ve rejected it, or because you have no knowledge about it. You still don´t believe. And children are not born believing in anything, so you could say that they´re atheists at some point.
Dawkins is really big on not labeling kids with a religion, but saying their a child of ____ parents (insert beliefs in the blank.) He makes a point of it in "The God Delusion" (I love the book.)
Is it me or is Penn's voice abnormally deep in this video.
1stindianonthemoon 2 years ago 3
him and that laugh
atjohnson5 2 years ago
Actually, there is scientific proof that babies are born solipsist.
DarkApple47 2 years ago
He was geeking like hell at... nothing. I'm not so sure he doesnt smoke weed. But anywho. My kid can decide if he wants to be a christian, athiest, muslim, nazi, buddhist, hindu, or jewish.
MrMaggot420 2 years ago
I did not decide my kids belief in or lack of belief in any god (or goddess) As adults, one believes, one doesn't and one is undecided. As children, from the age of 8 to I6 I sent them with friends to every church or temple and to what every religious group, anti-religious groups and pagan groups that I could find. They have the right to decide for themselves what they believe based on what they know about all groups. To this day I have not told them my personal beliefs.
patteel 2 years ago
nice expiriment
andresblazeit420 2 years ago
your fucking retarded
ws363139videomakerZ 2 years ago
I'm an agnostic and I totally agree with Richard Dawkins. Calling a baby an atheist and saying you are going to raise her/him as an atheist is just silly and obnoxious. A small child shouldn't be saddled with your political baggage and causes. She's onto Oreos and Legos, not questions of religion and philosophy.
MissNobodyful 2 years ago 2
My house's main rule is "Their shall be no talk of god nor politics within this house and all shall respect what the others believe is right unless it's absolutely moronic or dangerous then you can interfere"
Raxer21 2 years ago 2
An atheist is simply someone who lacks a belief in a god or gods. Babies aren't born believing in a god and therefore are atheists. I have to disagree with Dawkins on this one.
gamingguy90 2 years ago 2
but besides that i want to add that he goes way too off topic in these videos, talking about things that no one gives a fuck about and most of the video is wasted on his personal life which is absurd MOST viewers don't cllick on this to hear about your stupid shit that makes you laugh or your arrogant self writting a chapter in some bullshit book.
LesLegionsNoires 2 years ago
yeah i respect this guy and his opinions, and while i think he is definetly an intellectual i dont see how this guy has "never used a drug" in his life.
yeah his jitters and consant unnecessary facial movements could be caused by other "medication" or by energy drinks or caffeine. but from my perspective this guy has been into some sort of narcotic, no that dosent mean illegal substances but it could just be prescribed things like vicadin, oxycottin or some shit.
LesLegionsNoires 2 years ago
I enjoy Penn's laugh. It makes me smile. I'm happy now.
mgreen4224 2 years ago
I dont understand how the government has the right to take overly obese children away from their parents but yet teaching religion to the extreme to child is ok.....case in point if youve see the westboro baptist church song at the end of one of the versions theres a very young baby singing.
Now tell me how can that BABY have an understanding of what it is doing.
TheMechAlchemist 2 years ago
If you've seen one of the documentaries done about them, the interviewer even talks to one of the children, not a baby, but probably a 6 year old child, and points to one of the hate mongering signs (like GOD HATES FAGS) and asks him if he understands what it means and he says "no"....children are extremely impressionable and will usually mirror their parents in order to gain acceptance, whatever the actions may be. It's just so sad that his parents chose to indoctrinate him with hatred.
murphydexter311 2 years ago
Penn, since you are a "free-thinking" parent and you believe in civil rights, are you going to force your atheist beliefs on your innocent children? Would you condem them if they chose to be Christian? I'm not bashing you, I would just wonder how you would handle that.
TonyHawkInASock 2 years ago
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Penn, you're a bad ass mothafucka but
YOU ARE RELIGIOUS!!
I don't subscribe to any forum, or organization whatever, that may potentially breed ignorant fanatics--of which there are many, and we'd both agree? that most of them are religious groups.
However, you voice your "faith" in "No-God" just as adamantly and passionately as a Muslim voices his "faith" in "God".
"No-God-Ism" is a forum that MAY breed ignorant fanatics, although not as likely as Christianity.
Try to prove me wrong :) ...
frooshante 2 years ago
Faith
Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
In that respect, Penn is not saying anything based on FAITH.
Fact
a truth known by actual experience or observation.
From Penn's point of view, he is looking at the facts and coming to a conclusion. Now, that is NOT to say that he is aware of ALL of the facts, just the fact of which he knows.
In conclusion, where is your proof that Christianity produces more Ignorance than Atheists? You are as blind as the fanatics
chrisdsanders 2 years ago
I think he doesn't have any "logical proof or material evidence", as does no one else, in regards to God, etc so forth bla bla, and that's why I call it faith (and your definition seems to be in line with my assertion).
My proof about Christianity producing more ignorance is those people I see standing out on my campus square, or outside my movie theater with signs condemning every one straight to hell who doesn't believe in Jesus. I don't feel that's very understanding, or loving: ignorant.
frooshante 2 years ago
All children are begin as atheists... never met a child who was never taught to believe in god who did
Davebierman 2 years ago 2
Perhaps I don't understand the definition of atheist, but I was under the impression that it was the actual denial of an existence.
Is there a separate word to describe someone, for instance a newborn, who hasn't even considered or is completely unknowing of God(s)?
alecjahn 2 years ago
Atheist is someone who knows there is no god. Denial would be to suggest that there is something there and we are simply rejecting. As for your question there is a word for that baby. Atheist.
"Atheism has sometimes been defined to include the simple absence of belief that any deities exist. This broad definition would include newborns--"
Look up the word Atheist on wikipedia. Hopefully that will clear it up for you.
thelordmemnoch 2 years ago
Ah. I have only heard the term be used in the sense of denial.
I've always been and have strived to be as far from religion as I can in my own lifestyle, and labeling myself as something that alludes to the belief systems I'm avoiding makes me feel a little counter-productive.
Cheers
alecjahn 2 years ago
You don't have to be labeled anything you don't want to be. If you are not religious then that is good enough for me and should be good enough for everyone. Not every person that believes in the Christian god calls themselves "Christian". Don't worry too much about it.
thelordmemnoch 2 years ago
Atheist
A person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Atheism
The doctrine that there is no God or gods.
A child is not born Muslim, Christian, Buddist or Atheist. A child is born IGNORANT. A child does not have the KNOWLEDGE to decide whether he or she believes in a god, or whether there is enough EVIDENCE to conclude that God does not exist.
chrisdsanders 2 years ago
Well, there are two kinds of atheists. Those who don't believe in god, and those who believe there is no god. Agnostics would fall under the first type. Since "I don't know" amounts to "I don't believe in god." I'm not sure if there is another word.
Davebierman 2 years ago
I don't believe I quite understand the difference between someone who "doesn't believe in god" and someone who "believes there is no god".
And agnostic? I've always thought the word Atheist was not supposed to be some blanket term, nor do I want it to be.
alecjahn 2 years ago
Penn's laugh is very odd. o.o It's funny ,tho.
Tatsuyoujo 2 years ago
Lighten up, Penn, even Richard Dawkins celebrates Christmas, as he puts it I am a cultural Christian.
RichardDawkinsdotcom 2 years ago
raised as atheist?
hazydayz988 2 years ago
I love his laugh.
DarkoMessiah 2 years ago
Also, to your point at the end, yes there are religious people (me) who watch these. Most of us aren't as upset by such questions as it may seem. It seems to me that in many ways you are more interested in religion than most religious people.
mrupert22 2 years ago
If at some point your child comes home, before the age of 18, and has decided to become a Christian, will you still describe your child as free thinking?
This isn't hypothetical or meant to be a sly comment, its an honest question.
mrupert22 2 years ago
I would have to say, in regards to religion, no. Not unless he came up with some evidence that I'd never been privy to. I suppose he'd be free thinking in the sense that he hasn't simply carbon-copied my beliefs and made them his own, but I don't think that's what you meant by "free thinking".
sybo59 2 years ago
No, that's what I meant. Thanks for the answer. It was an honest question and not an attempt at some kind of "gotcha" question.
Freakin' cool thing about Youtube--Here I am chatting with someone I have watched on TV since I was a child!
mrupert22 2 years ago
I don't know if you're completely serious or not, but you may or may not be in for a disappointment when I tell you that I am not at all Penn. I thought it was an open question. Not to kick you while you're down, but I've never even been on TV!!! If you are serious, let me say that I'm flattered to be mistaken for Mr. Jillette.
sybo59 2 years ago
kids aren't anything but kids, by labeling a religion, or non religion, you separate them from other children. this is what starts much religious fanaticism.
DiceWarwick 2 years ago 4
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I cant wait till Penn becomes a born again christian.
giddyhaha 2 years ago
That will definitely happen. There is a lot of evidence of that. Yep.
wikired 2 years ago
Wow fuck youtube. Why are they adding ratings?! This is one step closer to censoring the internet. Why do people get so pissed off at things like nudity? Its not like you wont see a dick or tits your whole life so why does it matter.
suckithardnfast 2 years ago 7
You can so tell Penn adores his kids.
Quackerjack44 2 years ago 4
I'd say that children who cannot understand the concept of god can't believe in one. And so, by default, are atheists.
unquenchablefire 2 years ago 4
Children are born not believing in god - or anything, for that matter - so they aren't necessarily Atheists, but are definitely born as non-believers. As a person grows and learns they can understand, through critical thinking skills to analyze and interpret the available evidence and come to a conclusion based on said evidence. By taking this approach, it inevitably ALWAYS results in atheism. It's impossible to believe in god based on evidence and absent wishful thinking.
matucon312 2 years ago 3
People learn to have religion because their parents make them.
suckithardnfast 2 years ago 4
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your videos won't play you ass fuck!!
tehserver 2 years ago
I just wanted to point out that it is a coincidence that everything that the Bible says is coming true. And this is the book that was in the making from over 2 thousand years ago. If parents killing their children and children killing their parents doesn't ring a bell...Then you really do have problems being atheist.
The reason why you live is because Jesus died...if you don't believe then you will see with your own eyes that the bible is real with its prophesies.
nefra1017 2 years ago
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You are sick and vile, nefra, enjoy you death and blood cult of superstition.
elvismilk 2 years ago
I wouldn't convince my children that God does/doesn't exist. I believe fully that people of all ages need to discover their version of the truth for themselves. I may, however, explain to my child what I as an individual believe, and emphasize that it is not set in stone, it's just how I view things. Indirectly, this would be influencing my child to believe what I believe, but that is inevitable. I would rather give him a base than let him go blind.
moarng05 2 years ago
that in my opinion is one of the smartest things ive ever heard, i was raised catholic im in a jesuit high school hell i have been labeled one of the wise men by my theology teacher and a priest because i just bothered him the whole year trying to stump him and get him to denounce Catholicism but thats another story for another day. But being in a catholic system and being raised catholic just, makes me stronger in my belief of atheism. Ive seen the other side and I disagree.
mplayer1021 2 years ago
Thank you. You can message me if you would like to talk more.
moarng05 2 years ago
Version of the truth, LOL, there is only one version of 2+2 =4, and there is no 2+2=5=Jesus dead then rising=space shuttles never getting into orbit. Tell me, why wouldn't you convince your son God doesn't exist, when you have no proof whatsoever that that three letter thing does. Sad, but the William James mentality still possesses many. Yikes
elvismilk 2 years ago
Because it is up to the individual to make their own assumptions. Who am I to convince someone of anything? I fully believe in presenting your version of the truth, however I do not believe in convincing someone in an absolute. I do believe in accepting fact over assuming, however I do not believe in shutting everything else out. That, my friend, breeds ignorance. If you build the proper base, the proper tower shall be built.
moarng05 2 years ago
Proper base would be 2+2=4, NOT 2+2=5=Christianity, which I believe needs to be shut out. We eradicate or attempt to, breast cancer in the victim, likewise with Christianity ,it needs to be or attempted with the best reasoning, eradicated. It is vile and vulgar and would never be missed.
elvismilk 2 years ago
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w00t nu Age holocaust sounds awesome bro, U gonna gas the rest of the Jews. U sir are a hero.
SuperTrooper107 2 years ago
Elaborate on what I wrote, I would never want the gassing of anybody.
elvismilk 2 years ago
@elvismilk: who's are the nutjobs? Get help, man.
speedsk8r27 2 years ago
Just fulfilling scripture, if you prefer skigg patty, I can use that as your new nomer? Start with 1Peter 3:14 , then you will agree, I am just doing what St. Paul said Jesus said I would be doing in the future, which is now.
elvismilk 2 years ago
He doesn't seem like he's old enough to sit through a lecture on Atheist Parenting or any subject really.
LexMan82 2 years ago
BrianJung, you just said that agnostic's can't think for themselves. What a load of shit. It is possible for an Agnostic to spend more time considering the topic than a religious person and still not reach a conclusion, and that is fine. Id even suggest some people are forced into religion without the chance for rational contemplation. If ppl show up at church and they say "you'll burn in hell unless you do what we say" not all people will think "thanks for that I just need to weigh up Buddhism"
poidial 2 years ago
Christianity is agnosticism also, they just claim they know with a word that means they really don't called Faith, which everybody knows equals or is the exact same thing as agnosticism. Brown is not chocolate and Faith isn't knowing, it's saying you don't.
elvismilk 2 years ago
I think you are trying to describe Agnostic Theism. People who believe in a deity but cannot prove it. Knowledge verses belief. I'm sure most christians (or any other religion) would agree that it comes down to a matter of faith and believing.
poidial 2 years ago
Wrong, I wasn't trying, I did describe Agnostic Theism it is called Christianity. I don't need faith to know I am right in my description of that vile and vulgar death and blood cult of superstition.
elvismilk 2 years ago
You're right, your description was much clearer than mine. Your chocolate analogy was spot on.
It's pretty obvious that you don't like christianity. That is fine. I am pleased for you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But what gives parents the right to force those views on the children regarding any religion?
poidial 2 years ago
Parents don't have a right, and I think you need to read from Hebrews to Revelations again, there is plenty of incredibly idiotic views amongst those scriptures.
elvismilk 2 years ago
have i seen you in a movie?
hairyknuckles1000 2 years ago
It's Penn, from the performing duo 'Penn and Teller.'
csurrel 2 years ago
Maybe you can say a kid is an atheist. Maybe all kids are atheists until somebody gets them to believe in a sky-daddy.
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pbdrums001 2 years ago
Dude, "Sky Daddy" is a freakin' awesome term!!!!!!
2gordybc 2 years ago
I don't really think you can or should label kids like "Christian child" or even "atheist child", cause really does a 5-year old have an opinion on religion yet? Isn't he just a Child of Christian or Atheist parents untill he chooses his own beleifs when he has though about it?
kurtrulez 2 years ago 2
I feel that indoctrinating children in a religious belief is child abuse.........ok its only mental but still.
wb8594 2 years ago
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pbdrums001 2 years ago
free thinking parenting? so christians cant be free thinking? thats ridiculous and makes no sense. people need to quit downing the christian faith so much. free thinking is still a label so say what it is atheisim
BDT8 2 years ago
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pbdrums001 2 years ago
Christians are not freethinking, you cant even admit that evolution is proven because your faith demands you believe that the earth was created in seven days six thousand yrs ago. And you believe in the unnatural fact of a virgin birth, and rising from the dead. And you claim Christians are freethinking? What a joke.
Inupiatun 2 years ago 2
He looks like gene simmons
phoenix1333 2 years ago
I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in Him, bears much fruit.
Akulahous 2 years ago
Word.
>"Do atheist parents teach their children that the one exception to atheism is Palestinians must be thrown off their land because European Jews have an Invisible Cloud Father who 1000s of years ago told their mythical ancestors that a certain big desert belonged to them? And that the US should support this belief with $5 billion a year in aid plus unlimited military support? And that any questioning the Palestinian genocide should be wrongly branded as anti-Jewish bigots?"
walterglanz 2 years ago
Why bring it into question? If you don't want to teach religion, then just don't do it. The mere mention of atheist becomes a subtext to religion.
Samsgarden 2 years ago
I like the way you laugh after saying he's too young to sit through the lecture
TadRaunch 2 years ago
Sunday school is indoctrination, and parents have every right to do it. It strikes me as a hideous thing to do, but I'm an immoral, baby killing, puppy strangling heathen.
pitbull103 2 years ago 2
I love his laugh. It's so contagious!!
lunaehmaz 2 years ago
If atheism is taken as a negative position, as George H. Smith would have it, a lack of any positive belief, then, as he points out in his book, "Atheism, The Case Against God" babies ARE atheists, they cannot believe in what they don't know about, so, from that standpoint, even respecting Dawkins' position, I see nothing factually wrong with putting such a shirt on a baby. Other considerations are whether it makes them a target or constitutes a definition they might eventually rebel against.
GBanville 2 years ago 4
a child should be educated on all religeons ,and i dont mean indocrinated..just told . as the child matures if he/she chooses ...then its up to them! i choose not to believe,believers just amuse me.but i want my kids to choose for themselves. by the way you rock dude : )
dangerousprimate 2 years ago
That's not practical though. There are over 10,000 religions in the world and of those there are thousands of potential sub-sects or denominations of the main religions. Christianity itself features over 30,000 denominations. So to study them all would take multiple lifetimes.. it just isn't practical.
notabook 2 years ago
Haha! That is a ridiculos comment. I'm sure danerousprimate isn't suggesting sitting a 10 year old down and begin explaining to them the subtle variations of 30,000 denominations. WTF. I'd suggest brushing over the major ones maybe a dozen. If the kid is interested in one, or hearing more, then take it further.
poidial 2 years ago
So you advocate shutting out 29,988 denominations -- all of which have an equally good chance of "being right" and striking a chord with an individual more-so than the pitiful dozen that you recommend the kid learn about -- in favor of simplicity?
The easiest solution is to let adults decide what they want to believe in. Don't teach the child *any* kind of religious teachings, allow them to grow up into an adult free from religion and then let them make a decision based on their own research.
notabook 2 years ago
When little Johnny comes home from school and asks why a school mate has to go to church, thats when you can give a simplified version of a few of the major religions. Why the major ones? So he has an awareness and some knowledge of the world. He'll probably lose interest pretty fucking quick which is cool, he's a kid. No "shutting out" at all, he may start filtering through those denominations if he wants, although he'll probably go play his xbox.
poidial 2 years ago
AIPAC shill.
>"Do atheist parents teach their children that the one exception to atheism is Palestinians must be thrown off their land because European Jews have an Invisible Cloud Father who 1000s of years ago told their mythical ancestors that a certain big desert belonged to them? And that the US should support this belief with $5 billion a year in aid plus unlimited military support? And that any questioning the Palestinian genocide should be wrongly branded as anti-Jewish bigots?"
funboy7979 2 years ago 3
Your laugh is great.
riopieboy 2 years ago
You are the joker
riopieboy 2 years ago
Atheist are in general more intelligent than magical religious individuals.
bighrabovsky 2 years ago 2
"Does anyone think that raising a child to be atheist is any different from the parents raising a child to be religious?"
yes. the main difference i see is that with religious indoctrination, you'd be teaching the child to believe things without evidence, whereas with being raised atheist it would be quite the opposite.
but yes, i can see your point that either way it is indoctrination. and im not sure if letting the kids decide would be the best idea. kids make some wacky choices.
jiminipimini 2 years ago
Does anyone think that raising a child to be atheist is any different from the parents raising a child to be religious? Should parents take the time to let kids see all the options before them to make their own decisions? Granted, the younger the child the harder this task may be.
pennsays 2 years ago
Its a hard question. Ultimately you can't make that decision for them, but I don't see anything wrong with doing your best to steer them in the right direction. Stress the importance of having reasons for your beliefs, this is a bedrock that even if they change their minds might enable civil conversation. Show them the problems with evidence for religion, acquaint them with the similarities, differences and histories of as many as you can. If they end up religious they'll be a liberal sort.
GBanville 2 years ago
I think parents impressing their own religious beliefs on to their child is wrong, religious or atheist. A child's mind is more sensitive to this kind of persuasion. If a child grows up being told one thing by strong role models like their parents then as an adult believe something different from their own free thought, then they're going to have some guilt issues. Parents should take an agnostic standpoint, and maybe present the different options for their child
poidial 2 years ago
As much as I agree with you, I'm not seeing it. When I told my ma I wasn't a Christian anymore she said she would pray for me. I was angry at first, wondering if she had even heard what I told her, but realized later that she was only doing what she thought was the best thing for me. Her reality told her that I was going to hell where my reality does not.
Parents (usually) do what's best for their kids and keeping them out of hell is something at the top of their lists, I'm sure.
Sstellethyss 2 years ago
I think this is where our opinions differ, religion may or may not be valid, however mentally scarring a kid for life is certainly real. If a child spends the first 18 years of their life being told god is bullshit, then leaves home and decides (for example) that Mormons have got it right, then they're always going to have echoes of their parents opinion their interfering with their free thought. The reverse is also true, a christian kid is going to feel guily about fucking out of wedlock.
poidial 2 years ago
The reverse is not true,because the opposite side is not based on reason and truth as accepted by most humans. Atheism is 2+2=4 so learning that for 18 is good, 2+2=5=Mormons and believers in Jesus's divinity. Switching over to that math after 18 years is not recommended.
elvismilk 2 years ago
You argument is "Religion is not based on logic". Fair enough viewpoint. Stick to that rather than trying to use maths to prove correct religious teaching.
"Is not recommended" that is pretty loose language. Not recommended by who? The Vatican, the Surgeon General, 9 out of 10 nutritionists?!
poidial 2 years ago
Math has proven useful for NASA's space program, Religion raises people from the dead, sorry Mr. I should stick to, but Religious math keeps the space shuttle on the ground. I think I'll stick to proving how incorrect religious teaching can be with math.
elvismilk 2 years ago
Right... So you would ban your children from having faith in any religion because of spaceships. Gotcha.
poidial 2 years ago
You probably ban your kids from porn, well, Christianity is just as vile and vulgar. I don't ban women with breast cancer, I fight it with chemo, etc, wishing I could ban it, but nonetheless, I don't hate the woman, I hate the cancer. In other words I don't hate you, just the Christianity and would hate it also for poisoning my child's brain.
elvismilk 2 years ago
I'd ban my children from porn until they have past puberty, I'm sure I don't need to justify this reasoning. It is you opinion that religion is poison. What right does an adult have to force their opinion on a child? I hate Rugby, but if my child chose to play I would support him in that decision, out of love for my kid.
poidial 2 years ago
I don't think Rugby teaches you will go to hell if you lose, or if you believe you will. Big difference, come on even Jesus according to Matthew knew a mustard seed doesn't grow into an orange tree, stop comparing to different things. Don't forget all your talk about parenting is useless when the ultimate failure at parenting was Mr. universe creator in the garden with his children Adam and Eve, we never ever from the start had an example to live by.
elvismilk 2 years ago
It is fun talking to you. So far you have compared religion to maths, spaceships, breast cancer, mustard seeds, pornography, and chocolate. I mention Rugby and now I'm the one continually going off topic.
The issue is childrens freedom to religion, not christianity specifically. Do you think the human race should give up on parenting because of a story in a book? Why would you care about hell if you don't believe in it, and if you do believe why not give your child the freedom to decide?
poidial 2 years ago
Hell is vile, and the wings of angels don't need backing from God, to reveal his plan of salvation to nutjobs, baked with the tears of innocent children, it's just vulgar and vile. Let our bones rest in the grave, and the nutjobs that want to live forever, ok, let them live forever, I could care less.
elvismilk 2 years ago
Yeah you would be as bad a parent as Jehovah in the garden with Eve, let the child decide, oh let's see, do you want to learn 2+2=4, or do you want to believe and decide 2+2=5?
elvismilk 2 years ago
Dude, you're fucked in the head. I've given up on this conversation with you. I'm presenting logical agruments and you're stubborn and full of hate. You're in a completely different realm to me. I can't win against crazy.
poidial 2 years ago
You can't recognize crazy, anybody that believes in the supernatural can't. You have no proof of supernatural or that you understand what you define as crazy. Please wipe your mirror, because the grime has made you forget who you might be, and what you are becoming.
elvismilk 2 years ago
Lol, I can recognise crazy, and you are it. That last comment topped it off. Sorry it's not nice to laugh at those less fortunate, my bad. I've never said that I believe in the supernatural, where the hell did you get that from?! I'm starting to think that replying to you is just giving you permission to run your mouth about crazy shit.
poidial 2 years ago
Sorry about the supernatural comment, I thought you were a nutjob Christian.
elvismilk 2 years ago
The American Humanist Association has been promoting a Sunday School curriculum of sorts to so folks can instill kids with the Humanist/Freethinker philosophy. Not sure the kids would appreciate being put through that much though.
cinndave 2 years ago
i love how he's really bitter about a single word - "christard" - being removed from his essay
TRMac50 2 years ago
I am just glad that the atheist movement is growing in the U.S. and am pleased to know that intelligent, funny, men like Penn, Bill Maher, and Sam Harris are showing religion for what it is, a sad delusion and an acceptance of ignorance over truth.
NOTHING could be further from the truth, i find quite the opposite, more are turning to a belief in Jesus the son of God not Freemasonary or Atheism
ninammam 2 years ago
ummm... i just cant keep track of the rambeling, he's just so all over the place. I wonder if he understand's what he is actually saying
ninammam 2 years ago
Jewish atheists do.
>"Do atheist parents teach their children that the one exception to atheism is Palestinians must be thrown off their land because European Jews have an Invisible Cloud Father who 1000s of years ago told their mythical ancestors that a certain big desert belonged to them? And that the US should support this belief with $5 billion a year in aid plus unlimited military support? And that any questioning the Palestinian genocide should be wrongly branded as anti-Jewish bigots?"
bumpyjjeans 2 years ago 2
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Can the rest of the class help us out here?
4 days ago c6gunner said.. "No. Atheism is simply the LACK of a belief in god. The belief that there is no god is a completely different thing - it's called antitheism"
21 hrs ago I said "Atheism is the DISBELIEF in the existence of deity"
Merriam-Webster says..."atheism...disbelief in the existence of deity"
I'd also like to note that M-W does not have "antitheism" listed in it's online dictionary.
If I'm wrong I can't see it. character count..0
ZepMan63 2 years ago
WTF that laugh
Kekzor1337 2 years ago
It's ok to disagree.
:)
TheLogicalTheist 2 years ago 3
Saying that babies are born with religious beliefs is completely ludicious and downright bogus. This would be the mind of an extreme Christian Fundamentalist.
Babies are born atheist as if they lack beliefs. That is when their parents shove religious beliefs down their throats.
calvin09232009t 2 years ago
Do atheist parents teach their children that the one exception to atheism is Palestinians must be thrown off their land because European Jews have an Invisible Cloud Father who thousands of years ago told their mythical ancestors that a certain big desert belonged to them? And that the US should support this belief with $5 billion a year in aid plus unlimited military support? And that any questioning the Palestinian genocide should be wrongly branded as anti-Jewish bigots?
Just asking.
bumpyjjeans 2 years ago 2
"Do atheist parents teach their children that ... Palestinians must be thrown off their land because European Jews have an Invisible Cloud Father ..."
No, you retarded troll, we don't.
"Just asking."
Oh, ok. Are you the product of an incestuous union between a microcephalic and a Asperger's sufferer? Just asking.
c6gunner 2 years ago
My girlfriend and I have talked about it, and I'd like to share my oppion...
Yes Penn, there IS a difference between raising a "free thinking" child and raising him/her atheist
Athiests belive theres no god, an athiest raised child belives theres no god.
A child raised "free thinking".... I belive, means that the child, at an age of maturity (not a fucking infant" decides if they belive in a god/s or not.
Hope that shares some insight, just my thoughts on the subject.
jsvitak 2 years ago
"Athiests belive theres no god"
No. Atheism is simply the LACK of a belief in god. The belief that there is no god is a completely different thing - it's called antitheism. All antitheists are also atheists, but not all atheists are antitheists.
c6gunner 2 years ago
Nice explanation.
tubeman2010 2 years ago
[brain explodes] LOOK WHAT YOU DID!!
storytellerjack22 2 years ago
dont forget the nihilists!
"I DONT BELIEVE IN SHIT!"
realdoogie 2 years ago
No. Antitheists are those who take a strong stance against religion in general.
Apollyon007 2 years ago
Atheism is the DISBELIEF in the existence of deity (that would be me, for one). Antithesis has nothing to do with religion, or lack there of. It has to do with contrasts of words
Antitheists I do believe is NOT a word for anything
ZepMan63 2 years ago
"Atheism is the DISBELIEF in the existence of deity ... Antitheists I do believe is NOT a word for anything"
I give you the same advice I gave "Apollyon" - check a dictionary before spouting off. You're wrong on both points.
c6gunner 2 years ago
According to Merriam-Webster, I'm not wrong on either point. If you gentlemen have a better source, please share it with the rest of us.
ZepMan63 2 years ago
Miriam webster defines atheism as:
2 a: a disbelief in the existence of deity
So ... what exactly is the problem? Do you need me to clarify that meaning further? Provide you with the definition of "disbelief", perhaps?
When your own source contradicts you ... it's time to fold up the tent and go home.
c6gunner 2 years ago
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ZepMan63 2 years ago
Anti-theism is indeed a word, my friend. It means you actively believe that theism is bad and should be avoided. Or something like that.
mjhacker 2 years ago
Removing the words "Christards or" from your several page essay in the book _Parenting Beyond Belief_ changed the entire essay SO much that NONE of it is your own? Two words removed causes you to disown it entirely? Really? Wow. Those two words must completely sum up your thoughts on parenting. Intereresting.
pdxamy 2 years ago 5
I always thought that Dawkins ascribed a level of importance to this matter (Christian children) that it simply does not hold. Dawkins is technically right but.. so what? Is this a battle worth fighting? What do you gain? It just seems really petty and trivial.
templarart 2 years ago
i want your book
hdbass 2 years ago
i hate atheists and religious scrubs
Bloodybodyskater 2 years ago
you shouldn't "hate" anyone
hdbass 2 years ago 2
good stuff.
Shorle 2 years ago
i seen this fucker in vegas getting shit faced at Treasures strip club.
Flerg3 2 years ago
You look like a klingon
RandomPoorGuy 2 years ago 2
what happend to his forehead? or is it just old age
evilfuzz86 2 years ago
I'll be praying for you, Penn.
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lol just kidding prayer does nothing. suck it religionfags
ninjamatic5000 2 years ago 3
lol nice one.
MichaelBradus 2 years ago
athiestm
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arroweye11 2 years ago
This guy will be in for quite a shock when he dies.Lord have mercy on this man and others like him.
EddySwass 2 years ago
shock? what shock? when he dies, he'll be.... wait for it.... dead.
jmaysen 2 years ago 4
I like Penn, too. But he doesn't really say anything at all in this video.
freddypickle 2 years ago
I am just glad that the atheist movement is growing in the U.S. and am pleased to know that intelligent, funny, men like Penn, Bill Maher, and Sam Harris are showing religion for what it is, a sad delusion and an acceptance of ignorance over truth.
ween71 2 years ago 4
as oppose to what?
atheism offers the view of Nothing as an option, so you replace something with nothing and call it evolutionary?
zoddie 2 years ago
who said we choose nothing? there is something- a most lovely reality. there is living in the now, and there is finding beauty in being your own master. that is a more spiritual experience than anything written in any holy book or preached by any priest.
Amadierunfast 2 years ago
I think the election of Barack Obama is the acceptance and exultation of ignorance over truth.
fatmanpedaling 2 years ago
I think that was a pointless comment with little merit,
it makes you look ignorant by falling victim to the giant cleavage that has ruptured a once great & together nation.
sample45 2 years ago
ha.since when were we a 'together nation'?all through our history we have been separated.the revolution, the witch trials, the civil war, all the way up to the japanese concentration camps in world war two and the vietnam war, the segregation of blacks, the willingness to overlook plights of the minority. gays, blacks,japanese, irish,hispanic,native american,and more.we still are great.but we have never been truly together.one major reason why? two destructive little words: Holy Bible.
Amadierunfast 2 years ago
Did someone say cleavage? ...
redcore85 2 years ago
i agree....
and blah...
jovilalala 2 years ago
You have an odd laugh :/
bloodrunsclear 2 years ago
I like Penn and I am an atheist, buuut, in this case I feel strongly that :
1. Penn says nothing of any substance here.
2. Penn is talking about himself here. He has a rather arrogant and overblown slant on the importance of what comes out of his mouth or keboard.
3. I was able to blow dry my wet hair this morning with this nice hot air.
mlcoo17 2 years ago
So you decided to say nothing of substance too? You haven't made any point against anything Penn said.
Pilkie101 2 years ago
hey an atheist with a point!!!
that makes one of you in this post.
zoddie 2 years ago
this guy is a repulsive kenite. if you think he has any points you are deceived. he is part of the deception. there is a seed line of cain. it lives to this day. don't know what i'm talking about? check out my vids on the subject. also, i like the illuminati pyramid he's wearing around his sorry neck. i'd love to debate this fool on national television. pathetic. out.
ddamico3 2 years ago
I'd rather have my kids (when I have kids) as freethinkers, as opposed to atheists. That is, my children will not be necessarily atheists; they will be freethinkers who are allowed to believe whatever they want.
I'm an atheist, but if my children want to be church-going Christians, I will happily drive them their every Sunday morning.
mwtillotson 2 years ago 3
I do have small children and I agree with this...to a point. My 6 and 8 yr. old daughters have gone to church after staying over a friends house, I have a problem with that because they are too young to be considered free thinkers. My 13 yr old daughter recently asked me if she could go to church, at first I said no but I know she's a smart kid so I changed my mind and just told her I was not encouraging it. I'm still not sure that was the right decision but parenting is not an exact science.
ZepMan63 2 years ago
Being an atheist parent and atheist parenting are two totally different things. Atheists are notorious for making their unbelief all about virtue replete with codified morals. That's just another form of religion. One doesn't need a god to be in a religion, one needs zeal and a purpose stemming from it.
Making positive affirmations about God's NON-existent, to children no less, is irrational, which runs counter to the "rationalist" claim they're so apt to espouse.
It's nonesense.
hyroglyphx 2 years ago
actually atheist parenting would just be parenting w/o ever mentioning god.
valeman0 2 years ago 4
yea really simple. humorous though the debate about what to call children one or the other. i would understand either to be the same. both still lead the person to ask why things happen, and know that not all things need an answer right now. critical thinking.
wholysnapple 2 years ago
About what Mr. Dawkins said, I think I agree with that most of the time. But in my opinion, you could say that a child is atheist, because, if you think about it, the only one thing required for someone to be an atheist is = not beleiving. It doesn´t matter if you don´t belevie because you´ve rejected it, or because you have no knowledge about it. You still don´t believe. And children are not born believing in anything, so you could say that they´re atheists at some point.
HunterLovell 2 years ago
Dawkins is really big on not labeling kids with a religion, but saying their a child of ____ parents (insert beliefs in the blank.) He makes a point of it in "The God Delusion" (I love the book.)
Artemisgoldfish 2 years ago
All babies are Atheists as they do not believe in a god, it's not labeling.
theatheistguy 2 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
This man is a boring, opinionated, blowhard.
Mercuryrules 2 years ago