@Ioganstone : the question about how does the power of will work, physically, is not a non-topic, however. What physics creates the subjective experience? That's important to me.
I don't agree with horror... you would learn to expect horror in life, normally I don't know how to act with horror, I just kind of wait till I know what to say, like if someone dies and you should be horrified, what do you say, best to say nothing till you have though about it or think of something to say like, if you need out let me know... when you get shock and horror, and your scared... you can argue no free will, but you still have free will, your just dealing with that experience badly.
@TheaDragonSpirit - with shock and horror... you would just put your self in a state of horror... films or what ever till you like anything learn to deal with that emotion. But as for survival, that's to do with awareness and instinct... I don't think that's to do with emotions.
@TheaDragonSpirit - I think you mean like dark horror... as in fear... fear is different to horror. You still have free will how you deal with that fear... whether your aware of your choices is another thing. But this is all to do with not if you have free will to choose in a point in time, but if your aware you made a choice. Will power to me is just action on that choice.
@TheaDragonSpirit - A example is making stupid choices when shock has over ridden your system. I have had psychotic episodes in the past. When you have had one you realise how much control you actually have as when you lose it you do crazy stuff when your trying to survive and your brain is constantly changing the rules of the situation. So when people say they have no choice I know they just lack control of them self & awareness. This is how I know that we have free will and then will power. :-
@TheaDragonSpirit - Or at least I do... maybe other people are just not even looking at themselves and not being aware of themselves at all in a deep sense. Maybe they just don't analysis and just move one piece at a time. I suppose that is possible.
I don't agree with horror... you would learn to expect horror in life, normally I don't know how to act with horror, I just kind of wait till I know what to say, like if someone dies and you should be horrified, what do you say, best to say nothing till you have though about it or think of something to say like, if you need out let me know... when you get shock and horror, and your scared... you can argue no free will, but you still have free will, your just dealing with that experience badly.
I saw the guys video you replied too - This is what I think: The one box is over powering the other 3 boxes... He reminds me of Jiddu Krishnamurti - a little but not really... hes trying to lump everything in to one... instead of saying their is different things happening all at the same time... and when one emotion becomes stronger than the rest for what ever triggered it... can force you to be over powered by a emotion.
@TheaDragonSpirit You can reconise when your out of control, when you are doing things that block the real things you want to be doing. When you have lost control you might not realise you spent a hour doing something you didn't really care about doing. :-
@TheaDragonSpirit - I do agree it is hard to make will to happen... but I do believe it is possible to control will and I have been working on this for a while, to figure out how to will what you really want to be doing when you notice that which you want to be doing, but instead procrastinate. So I believe you can go out of a bad flow, weak will power, and go in to strong focus, and use your free will, to choose to use will power to do what you wish. It's just working out how. :-
It's hard to follow your through's with your voice slightly out, when you watch someone's expressions you can work out a lot of what they mean.
I like to walk blind or just look up at the clouds as i walk it sort of feels like your floating along. It's nice.
SURPRISE! Ha! You can expect the unexpected. Like chess. Lots of different choices... but the more you play the less you think about those choices and it becomes habit and instant.
It's hard to follow your through's with your voice slightly out, when you watch someone's expressions you can work out a lot of what they mean.
I like to walk blind or just look up at the clouds as i walk it sort of feels like your floating along. It's nice.
SURPRISE! Ha! You can expect the unexpected. Like chess. Lots of different choices... but the more you play the less you think about those choices and it becomes habit and instant.
one part of your mind feels fear and another part rationalises that fear ,the rational part of your mind won that dark night but what you experienced was your minds interpretation of the the turmoil ,i don't think the conscious mind is the director of a play ,that's an illusion .I believe the conscious mind is a spectator .I could be wrong but what I've see on studies of the mind suggest that to me
@sausage4mash : the conscious mind is an organizer and facilitator... rather, that's the role I think it ought to play (spectating is a part of that, as is curiosity). I think a problem with our society is that people's conscious mind plays King of the Universe (of the Mind). It tries to push the other ideas around as if they do not have their own affect, their own will. This creates turmoil and prevents people having healthy large scale social structures.
@sausage4mash : I think any time you put information together in one place, that is an organizing feature of the network. The conscious mind is obviously a part of this network, and it's obviously that kind of feature. The illusion comes in terms of what we think that means (i.e. that it means "control") and how much influence it has. Much of the "conscious mind" merely justifies actions after the fact... but THAT affects the future.
Its impossible to know if you have free will. Basically a non-topic
Ioganstone 1 month ago
@Ioganstone : the question about how does the power of will work, physically, is not a non-topic, however. What physics creates the subjective experience? That's important to me.
pyrrho314 1 month ago
@pyrrho314 its probably just the evolution of the DNA molecule set to control its bacterial host through more complex addiction.
Ioganstone 1 month ago
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I don't agree with horror... you would learn to expect horror in life, normally I don't know how to act with horror, I just kind of wait till I know what to say, like if someone dies and you should be horrified, what do you say, best to say nothing till you have though about it or think of something to say like, if you need out let me know... when you get shock and horror, and your scared... you can argue no free will, but you still have free will, your just dealing with that experience badly.
TheaDragonSpirit 1 month ago
@TheaDragonSpirit - with shock and horror... you would just put your self in a state of horror... films or what ever till you like anything learn to deal with that emotion. But as for survival, that's to do with awareness and instinct... I don't think that's to do with emotions.
TheaDragonSpirit 1 month ago
@TheaDragonSpirit - I think you mean like dark horror... as in fear... fear is different to horror. You still have free will how you deal with that fear... whether your aware of your choices is another thing. But this is all to do with not if you have free will to choose in a point in time, but if your aware you made a choice. Will power to me is just action on that choice.
TheaDragonSpirit 1 month ago
@TheaDragonSpirit - A example is making stupid choices when shock has over ridden your system. I have had psychotic episodes in the past. When you have had one you realise how much control you actually have as when you lose it you do crazy stuff when your trying to survive and your brain is constantly changing the rules of the situation. So when people say they have no choice I know they just lack control of them self & awareness. This is how I know that we have free will and then will power. :-
TheaDragonSpirit 1 month ago
@TheaDragonSpirit - Or at least I do... maybe other people are just not even looking at themselves and not being aware of themselves at all in a deep sense. Maybe they just don't analysis and just move one piece at a time. I suppose that is possible.
TheaDragonSpirit 1 month ago
I don't agree with horror... you would learn to expect horror in life, normally I don't know how to act with horror, I just kind of wait till I know what to say, like if someone dies and you should be horrified, what do you say, best to say nothing till you have though about it or think of something to say like, if you need out let me know... when you get shock and horror, and your scared... you can argue no free will, but you still have free will, your just dealing with that experience badly.
TheaDragonSpirit 1 month ago
I saw the guys video you replied too - This is what I think: The one box is over powering the other 3 boxes... He reminds me of Jiddu Krishnamurti - a little but not really... hes trying to lump everything in to one... instead of saying their is different things happening all at the same time... and when one emotion becomes stronger than the rest for what ever triggered it... can force you to be over powered by a emotion.
TheaDragonSpirit 1 month ago
@TheaDragonSpirit You can reconise when your out of control, when you are doing things that block the real things you want to be doing. When you have lost control you might not realise you spent a hour doing something you didn't really care about doing. :-
TheaDragonSpirit 1 month ago
@TheaDragonSpirit - I do agree it is hard to make will to happen... but I do believe it is possible to control will and I have been working on this for a while, to figure out how to will what you really want to be doing when you notice that which you want to be doing, but instead procrastinate. So I believe you can go out of a bad flow, weak will power, and go in to strong focus, and use your free will, to choose to use will power to do what you wish. It's just working out how. :-
TheaDragonSpirit 1 month ago
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It's hard to follow your through's with your voice slightly out, when you watch someone's expressions you can work out a lot of what they mean.
I like to walk blind or just look up at the clouds as i walk it sort of feels like your floating along. It's nice.
SURPRISE! Ha! You can expect the unexpected. Like chess. Lots of different choices... but the more you play the less you think about those choices and it becomes habit and instant.
TheaDragonSpirit 1 month ago
It's hard to follow your through's with your voice slightly out, when you watch someone's expressions you can work out a lot of what they mean.
I like to walk blind or just look up at the clouds as i walk it sort of feels like your floating along. It's nice.
SURPRISE! Ha! You can expect the unexpected. Like chess. Lots of different choices... but the more you play the less you think about those choices and it becomes habit and instant.
TheaDragonSpirit 1 month ago
one part of your mind feels fear and another part rationalises that fear ,the rational part of your mind won that dark night but what you experienced was your minds interpretation of the the turmoil ,i don't think the conscious mind is the director of a play ,that's an illusion .I believe the conscious mind is a spectator .I could be wrong but what I've see on studies of the mind suggest that to me
sausage4mash 1 month ago
@sausage4mash : the conscious mind is an organizer and facilitator... rather, that's the role I think it ought to play (spectating is a part of that, as is curiosity). I think a problem with our society is that people's conscious mind plays King of the Universe (of the Mind). It tries to push the other ideas around as if they do not have their own affect, their own will. This creates turmoil and prevents people having healthy large scale social structures.
pyrrho314 1 month ago
@pyrrho314 "the conscious mind is an organizer and facilitator." I don't think it is ,as I said I think that's an illusion ,it just seems that way .
sausage4mash 1 month ago
@sausage4mash : I think any time you put information together in one place, that is an organizing feature of the network. The conscious mind is obviously a part of this network, and it's obviously that kind of feature. The illusion comes in terms of what we think that means (i.e. that it means "control") and how much influence it has. Much of the "conscious mind" merely justifies actions after the fact... but THAT affects the future.
pyrrho314 1 month ago