HEY EVERYBODY. wow I commented on this video 5 years ago and flamed calling this lies. I wasn't a pilot then.
These salaries are true, but they apply to first year first officers at minimum monthly hrs. after a year you can expect another 2-10 thousand a year. once you become captain (doesn't take too long) you can expect double that at least. once you become a domestic airline captain, you make $60,000 starting and up to around $230,000.
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HEY EVERYBODY. wow I commented on this video 5 years ago and flamed calling this lies. I wasn't a pilot then.
These salaries are true, but they apply to first year first officers at minimum monthly hrs. after a year you can expect another 2-10 thousand a year. once you become captain (doesn't take too long) you can expect double that at least. once you become a domestic airline captain, you make $60,000 starting and up to around $230,000.
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I worked for great lakes and no one bought me a latte :(..... that woulda helped me get through the day. But this video is missing one really shitty airline PACIFIC WINGS please put it on there.
Well Sly, you're not who I thought you were based on your reply. If you were in the airlines you would know the trick is to Not stick out but blend in line and let seniority do what it will. Life on the line has nothing to do with abilities. Some of the worst pilots will always have a job in a union environment. I am doing well still after 3 major airline furloughs. I left the regionals 15 years ago as check airman and fly Hollywood & wealthy folks that make your video games you play so well.
Enough of the obvious...thanks for the therapy session ... "gear down! before landing checklist...and in English not Chinese this time damn it." Time to land this overseas, US ex-patriot flown, Chinese made bucket of bolts. I love this job.
Read "Flying The Line" for a reality check on how useless union labor has been in protecting a pilot's career. Labor induced bankruptcy is skilfully guided by managements greed. One ignorant senior captain with a high school education hired in the 60s at sge 23 told me "The airline has tons of money they can afford this pay raise." Yeah but why should they if they can bow out through bankrupcy or merger mania? If we had less union reps playing with their yokes & more reading Accounting 101...
Probationary pay is to allow for historically obscene 12 year captain pay (Union Negotiated) provided by the sweat and blood of the new-hires making <30k with 7 year+ commuter experience at the average major airline new hire age of 35....really. What other industry gives out probationry pay to employees with so many years of experience? We know management won't change but when did unions become so elitist? All this under the guise that you will someday be senior like us so suck it up until then.
Great Video! Junior Pilots will always be the victims of in-fighting of management vs. senior pilots sense of entitlement. Collateral damage caused by so called "Friendly fire" is the norm for the US top tier airlines. The Unions are controlled by the senior pilots and the contracts and pay scales give clear evidence to this sad fact. Probationary pay is so outdated yet is still around thanks to the Unions.
I don't think anyone wants to be a "regional airline pilot" it's not a goal anyone strives for it's like saying I want to be a "minor league ball player".
It's a step in the path to becoming the captain of the desired A380, 747, A340, 787, 777, and A330.
It's just part of pilots career path, which sadly, is becoming a final career topper for many.
I get paid so little as a right seat FO at my carrier that you shouldn't even survive the flight.
I would do it for free, well maybe not free. If you yanks get off your fat asses and purchase a "PASSPORT" there are many first officer/captain jobs in europe and asia that pay well.
I am an Argentine Airline pilot. I tell u man, here its not easy too. We dont even have enough airlines to work for. But we love flying. of course in thw union we also fight for our salary.
Sad but true .. Pilots in most cases really are their own worst enemies.
The salary's listed are for first year FO's (starting pay) .. I know that doesn't make things better .. but show first year Captain pay the next time .
@workingstiff76 it basically boils down to either pay high airfares and treat flying as a luxury or pay for a 90$ ticket from new York to Florida and roll the dice.
You will make just enough to buy gel to spike your hair, white Oakley snowboarding sunglasses, a uniform hat to carry in your hand through the terminal, a backpack to sling over one shoulder, an iPod to plug into your ears, and an attitude that you're REALLY something (though you're not). Oh, and make sure you say really cool, witty things to ATC on the radio too. We all LOVE it.
And to think I used to b!tch because my first job out of college in 2000 paid $28,265. A young pilot will basically have to live with their parents and probably have a second job (if they can work out the schedule) in order to even think about making student loan payments. This is some scary $hit. Some of the aircraft in this video didn't look all that small to me either. I always used to assume a newbie co-pilot of a 19 seater must make 30-40k. Woah!
@Slyguy185 Brilliant. Does it really "SlyGuy"...spoken like a true ignorant senior major airline pilot protected by the furloughs of 5000+ below him worried only that a merger might take away his weekends flying his Baron to his beachfront condo. I'm sharing my overseas Ex-Pat flight income with 2 furloughed classmates trying to keep their homes. Thanks for proving my point on living off the blood of those new-hires stuck to the bottom of your shoe..."slyguy" ... indeed.
@Windsong4Serenity Whats up with the mad comment? Obviously my comment pissed you off and you're mad. Also, why are you getting so defensive? Stuck at a regional? Getting shitty pay and shitty hours because YOU don't stick out from the rest of the pilots and as a result getting treated like shit at the bottom of a shoe? Sounds like it to me, pal.
I'm a commercial pilot. If anyone here has the ability to go into medicine, engineering, computers, or other skilled, NEEDED work, DO IT NOW!!!!! Do not start on this path to poverty!!! I have always loved flying! I could have been a RICH heart or brain surgeon, but my dumb ass picked aviation science! FUCK!! DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE I DID! Luckily, I have other skills to fall back on. I'll rent and join a partnership later to keep flying.....just for fun though!
u can not make a living with this low wage, training now cost over 100'000$, be a flight instructor for 3 years at 1000$ a month, and a regional at 1500$ then they lay u off, and start seniority from scratch...it s not working!
this job is for loosers...I am a pilot and i refuse to join these airline scams.stay with jet, part 135, cargo, light business jat , whatever.
dude dont fly for the money. if you have a passion to fly the salary shouldnt matter at all! im in training right now and can tell this guy is retarded
@f3nd13y salary shouldn't matter at all? Sure about that? If i'm dishing 100k for a job, I NEED a salary that will allow me to pay it off. You can romanticize it all you want, but money is a HUGE deciding factor.
@f3nd13y I'm not putting down what you're doing. To each their own. But 55k is still 55k. When you're done spending that much to get your licences and ratings, you'll probably have to get a CFI job to build hours and you don't even wanna know what they make. The longer you don't pay off loans, the more you will pay. It's a financial spiral that is hard to recover from.
@tomtom5418 i know roughly what them make and im going to college and majoring in aeronautics so my junior year i will get a job as a CFI for the university ( which hasthe biggest flight school at a private university other than embry) i will be getting paid to fly, getting hours, and getting tuition for free.
@f3nd13y You sound like I sounded 2 years ago. If you don't mind me asking, what school are you going to? I attend a state school with an aviation program and took part of it in my first semester freshman year, and got my PPL. Careful with saying "I WILL get a job as a CFI". At my school, they are extremely selective in who they hire, and as far as I know they didn't hire anyone last year. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Just make sure you look realistically into the future.
@f3nd13y I'm not putting down what you're doing. To each their own. But 55k is still 55k. When you're done spending that much to get your licences and ratings, you'll probably have to get a CFI job to build hours and you don't even wanna know what they make. The longer you don't pay off loans, the more you will pay. It's a financial spiral that is hard to recover from.
There are two types of people entering our industry today, those that want to fly planes and those that want to wear a pilots uniform, are happy to be paid crap and undercut others in the industry, wheel a flight bag through a terminal and sit in the RH seat for 9 years following the almighty SOPs and doing crosswords. Nowdays doing C206 time in Africa, Australia, South America, Canada etc is the only surefire way to gain any respect in this industry and still enjoy flying.
@gnarkillkicksass you are absolutely right. Young pilots nowadays are willing to fly for no money. You'll see kids with rich parents "buying" their kids a pilot job, and have no issues with it because they simply just want to "be cool" or "play airline pilot", they just want the attention, and they don't treat it as a profession. Airlines always like to take advantage of these pilots, which takes away the respect for the pilot profession.
@sweetsf4life Yeah that's very prominent in the USA and now Europe from what I hear. The best way to beat them would be to, as I said, grab some bush time which an employer would happily respect.
The thing I hate about today is those types that don't care what they earn undercut those that do. It brings us all down and is destructive for the industry.
@gnarkillkicksass I like how they do it in Hong Kong, where they are willing to hire guys with low time and little experience, but they will have to first pass many difficult tests, interviews, and go through extensive training, so most of the "wannabe" pilots will be washed out during the process. And at the end, only the qualified guys get hired, and still get paid a very decent salary. They don't want to degrade the airline industry by hiring cheap pilots who just want to look cool.
@sweetsf4life Haha that's where I work, and no it isn't as rosy as it sounds. Read up on a thing called the "49ers" and that explains what life is like in HK for a pilot. The cadetship is being canned as well due to guys not being right hand seat ready and difficulties qualifying for an ATPL. Very few cadets will make it to the LHS and I am saying that as a former cadet.
@gnarkillkicksass wow what a bingo, haha. I know it's expensive in HK, but at the same time, I'm sure a lot of HK kids would still want to be an airline pilot for less money than that, and hopefully HK will not let that happen. The airlines of HK are almost on top of the list when it comes to safety, and I hope it stays that way. So are you an HK local? who are you flying for now?
@sweetsf4life No am I Australian but I was born in HK to Aussies though I joined as an expatriate (to get the benefits). Most of the locals get degrees before wanting to join the airlines then realise they will make a fortune elsewhere with their degrees and scrap the flying idea. The accident record is low but the incident record for here is just a bit better then everywhere else but don't worry - Hong Kong Airlines and Hong Kong Express will change that soon. I fly RHS A320/321 at KA.
What do you call two well paid drunks and three well paid sluts?...... a flight crew for a big airline. What do you call two low paid drunk scum bags and one smelly wrinkled suit wearing, low paid, purple crayon swallowing slut?..... a regional jet flight crew.
DO NOT SIGN UP FOR ATP FLIGHT ACADEMY. IT IS A RIP OFF. THEY DON'T DO GROUND SCHOOL AND DON'T CARE ABOUT HOW THEIR STUDENTS DO. THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT MONEY BUT THEY ARE GOING BANKRUPT AND WILL CLOSE LOCATIONS AND NOT REFUND YOUR MONEY.
I just don't get it,the airline owners should tighten their own belts and invest most of their salary into the very airline they're suppose to be running. I'm not putting full blame on the CEO's either,air and ground crews need to grow some balls and stop working less then they're worth. I'd so pay extra to any airline that not only treats their workers,but also customers the best. I'm tired of this walmart society.
Thank you for posting this. I spent 4 years in the regionals flying a Dornier Jet. It was fucking awful. I made $17K the first year, and about $24K after that. The schedules were awful, you're always away from home, you live in hotels, and it just sucked. People going into the industry, think twice. Sorry to burst your bubble. Don't say I didn't warn you. I fly an A320 now, and my company is shutting down in Jan 2013. I'm over it. Good luck everyone :)
Who cares about the money? If you have a passion for aviation, money doesn't come first. It's about the thrill and excitement you get from it. You feel like you're on top of the world. (You kinda are, lol) Who's with me?
We have to ask congress to change some of the rules to the commercial rating. Currently commercial pilots in the United States are not allowed to print up business cards and advertise themselves. This should change and will give the regionals a run for their money. Keep in mind your pilot log book belongs to you when you signed the promissary note who was responsible for the loan! That loan has no tax breaks!
Wall Street has no business looking at your log books, if fact you can go out and purchase a log full it up with phoney entrees and use that for your job but not use that log book for your rating! Walls Street gets a plastic card ASEL, AMEL, types are their responsibility, medical Wall Street has no say they don’t pay for them and they are not entitled to see them, and they can stop using medicals on the basis of discrimination, other wise they are breaking Federal Law.
I am grateful to be here in New Zealand, as I am a budding airline pilot and pilots here get good pay. I have heard that the pay is pretty crap in the states
Well look at it this way you make very little first starting out but you can get a tone of hours flying regionals and when the spot opens you can become a CPT. If you have a passion for flying then stick with it....
Listen, this is a really simple concept. If you hate flying, then why the hell are you doing it??? If you love flying, then continue to fly. It has always seemed to me that the pilots who complain and moan are the ones who didn't really have a passion for flying to begin with. If you want to be rich, go be a doctor or a lawyer. If you want to be a pilot, fly airplanes.
Listen, this is a really simple concept. If you hate flying, then why the hell are you doing it??? If you you love flying, then continue to fly. It has always seemed to me that the pilots who complain and moan are the ones who didn't really have a passion for flying to begin with. If you want to be rich, go be a doctor or a lawyer. If you want to be a pilot, fly airplanes.
Well because its something called an "investment". Learning to fly IS NOT CHEAP, infact today I manage its almost impossible to really afford. It takes money and YEARS!
You want a return on that investment. Also, many of the pilots who in in their late 20's and ealy 30s believed that what they saw growing up, the money, the respect was part of the job. Due to the explosion of the regional airlines they found out that the job isnt what they expected. Many feel cheated.
@woneddieton Exactly. All pilots should walk off the job and not work for those wages. Maybe the greedy CEO's will be able to fly the passengers around? Or maybe they should charge as much as a passenger would pay in gas if he drove his own car, and give the pilots a living wage? Nah, keep them on food stamps and give me my free flights! The CEO needs to export the maintenance to China to get a bigger bonus, and that's expensive.
@duesenpilots This CANT happen due to a little piece of legislation called the Railway Labor Act that us pilots are controlled by. It is ILLEGAL for pilots to strike unless they go through a lengthy mediation process that usually ends with the pilot group dropping the issue due to red tape. In Theory it would be nice, but striking RARELY happens... It has been effective in the past when the pilots are actually released to strike though...
@duesenpilots sense a little bitterness and a little lack of biz savvy. CEO's r what they r. Some good, some not. The value of the co. is based on all of us greedy shareholders who risk OUR salaries to invest in a profit positive enterprise. No profit, no company. The next round of technology will likely reduce reliance on high skilled workers such as pilots and shift the cost burden to fuel tech and security. I just don't see how the regional pilots survive on such shitty wages.
@KL437 I've got a little bit more long term biz savvy. For example, the compensation has shifted radically to the top of the company over the past 20 years, during the same time "keep and hold" stockholders who actually hold execs liable for their performance have become extinct, replaced by day traders. Anyone who would hold an airline stock long term is bankrupt (of money or common sense, if you don't believe me check the performance of any of the majors over the past 20 years).
@KL437 They survive because Daddy has a real job and supports them, and they are trying to "build their hours" to get a real job. (which doesn't exist anymore because they chose to work for free.) Catch 22. Bitter. Not so much as feeling like an idiot for choosing this profession. At American, top pay is the same now as in '92. Buying power is cut in half. Meanwhile AA CEO $10,000,000 "performance bonus" in year company loses almost a billion$. Problem? You tell me...
@woneddieton What if you went to Med school and you worked as a Doctor, but earned $14,000 a year and were on food stamps. Would that mean you hate practicing medicine, or perhaps that you hate what has happened to your profession because everyone else is willing to work for nothing? You logic is simplistic and deeply flawed. No offense. Guess you have to be in the water to feel the heat.
@woneddieton But by the same token I agree with you. Nobody should take a job that pays these wages. Obviously if the market will bear it, they will pay it. So you are correct. Forget the years and hundred grand you spent on this career, realize you made a mistake, refuse to work for free and do something else. That is the only thing that could save the profession. Passion doesn't pay the rent!
@woneddieton man, you rock! That was the best ever comment in the entire youtube history! Here in Brazil the exact same thing is happening, due to the pilot shortage, which has became extreme here, airline pilots earn Over R$100,000 per year easy so people are using that argument to became pilots which is a pity cause they never go far enough. The fact of matter is they'll never be real pilots they're just people after money and status.
@woneddieton Did you listen to what Captain Chesley Sullenberger said before the Senate Subhouse Committee on Aviation in 2009, or are you completely deaf? Pilots who have lived careers in the aviation industry and love what they do dearly are telling their children not to follow in their footsteps. Just because someone loves what they do for a living doesn't mean they should be preyed upon by airline management.
Dumb ass don't hate on regional airline pilots, for one they love what there doing and will take any job they can get, and two its hard to get all the requirements to be a major airline pilot and regional airlines will help get you hours in so you can eventually get your ATP, and then you can talk about workin for Delta, U.S. Airways, etc. A senior pilot can make 2-3 hundred thousand dollars! And thats pretty well off lol
this is made by people who want to be pilots but cant and are pissed and want to make other people join them and not be pilots... GROW UP. if you have the passion go for it! MONEY will get better as u get more experience!
@MrClayton174 I agree with the more money comes with experience concept, but lets get real. Becoming a pilot requires years of rigorous training and education, not to mention a shit ton of money. They are passionate and highly skilled, and they are also responsible for the lives of others. The bottom line is the airlines are shamelessly exploiting their most important employees and they should be ashamed of themselves. At least start their pay at $35-40K so they can pay their bills.
Please refer to the Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 aircraft accident at Buffalo. Another watershed incident that should prove Pilots need more respect in the industry.
The problem is that it costs so much money to live in cities such as new york like where jet blue is based that a few thousand wont cut it. This is because new york has very high taxes and people cannot afford it.
Commuter airlines pay as little as possible and can get away with it because they know young pilots need to build up more flying hours before they can get a better job.
All I can say is, get the required experience and apply for other companies.. The US is not the only country that hires airline pilots. Cathay Pacific, Singapore Airlines, Emirates, Malaysian, Korean, Air Pacific. These are not career companies, just gain experience companies..
omg people shut the fuck up this is first year pay! after that it can go up 2-3K per year
its like that because for the airline to make a profit they have to start you off low. Training a group of newly hired pilots is not cheap on the airline!! if you don't like the starting salaries then go to school for something else!
Yeah, 2-3k per year on 19k-25k when one may have 40K-100K in student loans to pay off to the tune of $500-$1000 a month payment. F--- that and f--- the idea of "paying dues" by being paid a penitence wage for the job. The good news is that there are better starting jobs in aviation than a regional airline that can be obtained without having to luck into them.
rates will never get that high unless your credit is shot... but if you want it bad enough go for it. pay will not be like that forever. when you make it higher in the seniority list you will be glad you chose this career and stuck to it! it can only get better from there... im not here for the money i love it!
Not true: Most people I know have rates like that with the few exceptions whom had family cover it or had a previous career which they could save up for flightschool. As the song in this video says, "Your love gives me such a thrill. But your love won't pay my bills". Fortunately, from a personal standpoint I have the love of the job met and the bills met but it would not be the case had I went the regional route.
come fly with air canada,the private company funded by public money i hear air canada pilots are the highest paid on the planet $150000-200000 a year.Good thing our crooked government steals our money to fund private business.
As a pilot myself these are all first year annual pay, but yes it's a shame a janitor makes more then most regional pilots. You are in charge of lives and the responibilty you have. Some regional pilots there first two years have to live on food stamps or a crash pad with 7 pilots.
@Airsoftdevil666 give it up little boy and go play with your airsoft guns youre too stupid to fly an airplane,maybe you can be choo choo train driver,go ask your mommy if its ok ill wait.
@Airsoftdevil666 Anyone correct me on any of these if you think I'm wrong
1. Depends on the airline, but usually 35k for a 5 yr captain I'd say. The big money right now is in major airlines, but the industry looks good in about 4 years if the economy and the airline industry recovers.
2. For a regional/major, flight requirments: FAA first class medical, Commercial and ATP certificate, as well as everything below those. No college required, 2 yrs recommended, 4 yrs (bachelor's degree)competitive
you are wrong airsoftdevil there is more money at the major i agree with that, but there is no 5 year captian making 35k . and i can promise you will not get hired without a degree it is so competitive now some pilots have 4 year at regionals. You can't just get hired with rating either mosr pilots build hrs for a year or two you usually need about 1000 to get on now and 100 multi Ask a pilot who loves his job will say it's worth it and more. You can upgrade to captian in 9months
3. Only he can really answer that, but I'd say the plane is one of the smaller Boeings.
4. When he has some free time, I'm sure he jumps on one every once in a while. I know I would. As far as realistic, well, nothing can quiet prepare you for flying. I played MS FSFX for a long time flying the trial planes, but when I took my intro flight in a RV 10 and then a Piper Sport, it was way better than the sim.
Characteristics of the sim are somewhat realistic though.
It depends and is always changing, but the max for a captain at a regional is probable close six figures although the average is probably under that . As a first officer the first year you might as well be on food stamps because the average is bout 21k gross a year and about prob 45k average and 70k for a captian i know right. There is a excellent video out called frontline flying cheap you can watch it for free it pretty much describes the regional airline industry.
And I suspect the economy being what it is, most of them are just barely hanging on to their jobs too. I guess if you do it, you do it because you love flying. Really really love flying back the point of sanity.
They charter people so they wont have to drive there and this is what they get back????? You might as well be working in fire mill. The airlines need to give them money, not so to get more airplanes, because most of these airline services are doing fine. They get there on time and there always there when you need them. I want to be a pilot for Hawaiian Airlines but if I will get paid this money, Im going as an attendant.
How soon before we import cheap labor from Mexico to operate and maintain airliners. Just look to the trucking industry and N.A.F.T.A. for the (bleak) future. It will not get any better. Soon they won't even want english speaking pilots for free.
@CathayGuy Watch. The FAA will give "waivers" to Mexican pilots. They (Mexicans) are allowed to drive and operate substandard commercial vehicles in the U.S. and flaunt hours of service rules. There is probably going to be bloodshed in the trucking industry over this. I expect pilots to go more quietly.
@faffaflunkie Yeah but, the FAA is strict. They're not going to simply just say "hey hop in this CRJ and fly this route". They very strict on how many hours a pilot has.
@CathayGuy The N.T.S.B. is far tougher than the "dual purpose" FAA. And yet substandard Mexican trucks and drivers are still on our roads. Watch how fast the FAA buckles to political pressure from the President and N.A.F.T.A.
@faffaflunkie no need to do so you stupid ignorant piece of shit. I got my ratings done in the us and let me tell you, all the international students did better than american students you know why? cause americans are lazy, you want evrything given to you in a silver platter. I chose to be a pilot in mexico because believe it or not, we get paid more than pilots in the united states, dont worry you dont have to worry about us taking your low pay flying jobs, we have much better salary in mexico.
@sted4380 You may get more (in pesos) than a U.S. pilot but probably not for long. Making a profit in the Airline business is about cutting costs (and corners). If you are satisfied with your salary in Mexico I would advise that you stay there.
@guitarz04 i risk my life everyday alot more than any pilot,im working in a sour gas oilfield,driving around in a vehicle,since flying is considered safer than driving so actually you are wrong and you fail,have a good day...peace.
@guitarz04 dats nothing compared to wat these pilots do and i sure u dont have to pay 10's of thousands of dollars for training and in d end get a bullshit salary
@Flightmode747 dats? wat? im sorry i speak english but i think i understand what you are saying,pilots are underpaid i get it,but they know what they are going to make before going into that field of work so they cant complain about it.I would like to be a musician but there is no money in it so i chose to get a technical trade,3 of them actually,peace.
Here in Germany young pilots have to invest into themselves. Approx 70.000 EUROS for pilot training and further 20.000 for their Type Rating. After that you make approx 44.000 EUROS in a Year after tax deduction you will have approx: 30.000 EUROS.
HAVE FUN BY ERASE YOUR DEBT
But i start also my pilot training in a few months:-)))
Pilots do care how much they make! its the airlines that cut paychecks and know theyll get away with it because most pilots do love what they do enough to keep doing it for shit money.
The aviation industry has changed so much~It's quite sad! Great job on the video, loved it! ( just left my job as a flight attendant due to so many new conditions & pay changes)
Look when you first start off in any job you always start in the bottom working the shit hours and getting shit pay...as time goes on you move up in the list...please name one job thats different
@landmark425 ok but add in furloughs and medical problems and you are screwed and in order to get the real high salaries, you must put 5 years minimum making that in the regionals. add in the CFI time to get there. Then if by luck you get hired by a major, you still only make 40k a year tops. Its only till you make it to the 10 year captain point where you make real money. ATC, dispatchers etc get to stay on the ground and pay less for their training and start out at 40K a year salary base pay.
@rev4life03 wow you really have no idea what you are talking about sir, and should not be posting comments. Regionals that are hiring right now such as Air Wisconsin ASA Skywest are paying their FO's 38k 35k and 38k 2nd year. Making 40k a year tops lmao?? At all the above regionals I listed above 1st year Capt pay is more than 60k a year. You have to be a 10year capt in the majors to make real money? 1st year Capt pay Jetblue Southwest Airtran 138k 185k 106k ... Once again that is 1st year pay.
@xXGETR0CKEDxX ok PLEASE post where you got that information because its obviously a lie. Go to any pilot forum like APC and ask those airline pilots what they earned as regional/major pilot. Also, you should watch the FRONTLINE on colgan. Those pilots only made 19K a year. The captains at those airlines DO NOT earn that their first year.
I think I'll stay in Canada where as a First Officer on a King Air 200 I'm making 40K a year, and it only goes up from there, you can actually afford to be a pilot in Canada.
I find it scary that guys straight out of flight school are flying regional jets and turboprops. Here in Canada you're not flying for a regional or even a Tier 3 unless you've got at least 1000+ hours fight time with turbine experince. Plus most of these rookies have next to no PIC time. Things won't change until hiring practices change.
I love reading posts from people who aren't in the industry. It seems the propaganda works....everyone believes pilots make a lot of money. Suckers! No one at Netjets makes $250K a year, and they are all required to work minimum 17 days a month. As for only flying 100 hours a month...that's FLIGHT TIME. For every hour in the air that equates to an hour on the ground. Factor in the miscellaneous crap, and pilots work 60 hours a week.
@BusDriver36 You are very misled - I've see the direct deposit receipt!!!! He has been with NetJets since they started and there is no posible way that he works 17 days a month - just not there!!!! And 100 hours in the air plus 100 hours on the ground is 200 hours - per month - and with 4 weeks per month that is 50 hours a week - and you can boast all you want - but NO PILOT can work 50 hours a week!!!!!!!! You're just making this up!!!!!
i jus wana become a pilot to fukk bitches man all over da world n especially da fukin flight attendents ,,i jus got in to aviation bachelor progrram ,,who gives a fuk about money ,,its all about da bitches man,,
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HEY EVERYBODY. wow I commented on this video 5 years ago and flamed calling this lies. I wasn't a pilot then.
These salaries are true, but they apply to first year first officers at minimum monthly hrs. after a year you can expect another 2-10 thousand a year. once you become captain (doesn't take too long) you can expect double that at least. once you become a domestic airline captain, you make $60,000 starting and up to around $230,000.
Hope this helped! Thumbs up so more people see it?:)
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HEY EVERYBODY. wow I commented on this video 5 years ago and flamed calling this lies. I wasn't a pilot then.
These salaries are true, but they apply to first year first officers at minimum monthly hrs. after a year you can expect another 2-10 thousand a year. once you become captain (doesn't take too long) you can expect double that at least. once you become a domestic airline captain, you make $60,000 starting and up to around $230,000.
Hope this helped! Thumbs up so more people see it?:)
DiamondPilotDan 3 days ago
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DiamondPilotDan 3 days ago
You should only fly because you love it. For me, personally, money is not a factor. I would fly for free.
LQ2DARESQ 1 week ago
I worked for great lakes and no one bought me a latte :(..... that woulda helped me get through the day. But this video is missing one really shitty airline PACIFIC WINGS please put it on there.
flyguyry5 1 month ago
Why do I find this so funny? I'm one sick bastard.
pbodytakesmewayback 1 month ago
i dont care what it takes i just wanna fly
Southwestairlines737 1 month ago
Well Sly, you're not who I thought you were based on your reply. If you were in the airlines you would know the trick is to Not stick out but blend in line and let seniority do what it will. Life on the line has nothing to do with abilities. Some of the worst pilots will always have a job in a union environment. I am doing well still after 3 major airline furloughs. I left the regionals 15 years ago as check airman and fly Hollywood & wealthy folks that make your video games you play so well.
Windsong4Serenity 1 month ago
Enough of the obvious...thanks for the therapy session ... "gear down! before landing checklist...and in English not Chinese this time damn it." Time to land this overseas, US ex-patriot flown, Chinese made bucket of bolts. I love this job.
Windsong4Serenity 1 month ago
Read "Flying The Line" for a reality check on how useless union labor has been in protecting a pilot's career. Labor induced bankruptcy is skilfully guided by managements greed. One ignorant senior captain with a high school education hired in the 60s at sge 23 told me "The airline has tons of money they can afford this pay raise." Yeah but why should they if they can bow out through bankrupcy or merger mania? If we had less union reps playing with their yokes & more reading Accounting 101...
Windsong4Serenity 1 month ago
Probationary pay is to allow for historically obscene 12 year captain pay (Union Negotiated) provided by the sweat and blood of the new-hires making <30k with 7 year+ commuter experience at the average major airline new hire age of 35....really. What other industry gives out probationry pay to employees with so many years of experience? We know management won't change but when did unions become so elitist? All this under the guise that you will someday be senior like us so suck it up until then.
Windsong4Serenity 1 month ago
Great Video! Junior Pilots will always be the victims of in-fighting of management vs. senior pilots sense of entitlement. Collateral damage caused by so called "Friendly fire" is the norm for the US top tier airlines. The Unions are controlled by the senior pilots and the contracts and pay scales give clear evidence to this sad fact. Probationary pay is so outdated yet is still around thanks to the Unions.
Windsong4Serenity 1 month ago
another important thing to remember is that only a certain number of comercial aircraft were ever built.
210482fmj 2 months ago
sarcasm?
RunAwayFromObesity 2 months ago
I don't think anyone wants to be a "regional airline pilot" it's not a goal anyone strives for it's like saying I want to be a "minor league ball player".
It's a step in the path to becoming the captain of the desired A380, 747, A340, 787, 777, and A330.
It's just part of pilots career path, which sadly, is becoming a final career topper for many.
I get paid so little as a right seat FO at my carrier that you shouldn't even survive the flight.
PIlotrcm 2 months ago
@PIlotrcm damn that sucks you get paid a little but ill give your comment a thumbs up, hopefully that cheers you up mate :D
Vulture808 2 months ago
I would do it for free, well maybe not free. If you yanks get off your fat asses and purchase a "PASSPORT" there are many first officer/captain jobs in europe and asia that pay well.
wingman662 3 months ago
I am an Argentine Airline pilot. I tell u man, here its not easy too. We dont even have enough airlines to work for. But we love flying. of course in thw union we also fight for our salary.
hernandasso 3 months ago
Sad but true .. Pilots in most cases really are their own worst enemies.
The salary's listed are for first year FO's (starting pay) .. I know that doesn't make things better .. but show first year Captain pay the next time .
u27driver 3 months ago
@workingstiff76 it basically boils down to either pay high airfares and treat flying as a luxury or pay for a 90$ ticket from new York to Florida and roll the dice.
rev4life03 3 months ago
You will make just enough to buy gel to spike your hair, white Oakley snowboarding sunglasses, a uniform hat to carry in your hand through the terminal, a backpack to sling over one shoulder, an iPod to plug into your ears, and an attitude that you're REALLY something (though you're not). Oh, and make sure you say really cool, witty things to ATC on the radio too. We all LOVE it.
5xls 3 months ago
And to think I used to b!tch because my first job out of college in 2000 paid $28,265. A young pilot will basically have to live with their parents and probably have a second job (if they can work out the schedule) in order to even think about making student loan payments. This is some scary $hit. Some of the aircraft in this video didn't look all that small to me either. I always used to assume a newbie co-pilot of a 19 seater must make 30-40k. Woah!
workingstiff76 3 months ago
Na. If you have the love and passion for flying, this shouldn't matter. I hope you know that pay also increases with seniority
Slyguy185 4 months ago
@Slyguy185 Brilliant. Does it really "SlyGuy"...spoken like a true ignorant senior major airline pilot protected by the furloughs of 5000+ below him worried only that a merger might take away his weekends flying his Baron to his beachfront condo. I'm sharing my overseas Ex-Pat flight income with 2 furloughed classmates trying to keep their homes. Thanks for proving my point on living off the blood of those new-hires stuck to the bottom of your shoe..."slyguy" ... indeed.
Windsong4Serenity 1 month ago
@Windsong4Serenity Whats up with the mad comment? Obviously my comment pissed you off and you're mad. Also, why are you getting so defensive? Stuck at a regional? Getting shitty pay and shitty hours because YOU don't stick out from the rest of the pilots and as a result getting treated like shit at the bottom of a shoe? Sounds like it to me, pal.
Slyguy185 1 month ago
If you still think you can make it as a civilian pilot, three words HIGH SPEED RAIL.
Bill1275w 4 months ago
I'm a commercial pilot. If anyone here has the ability to go into medicine, engineering, computers, or other skilled, NEEDED work, DO IT NOW!!!!! Do not start on this path to poverty!!! I have always loved flying! I could have been a RICH heart or brain surgeon, but my dumb ass picked aviation science! FUCK!! DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE I DID! Luckily, I have other skills to fall back on. I'll rent and join a partnership later to keep flying.....just for fun though!
Bill1275w 4 months ago
@Bill1275w bill i agree with u but,i am gonna fly 4 ETHIOPIAN soon left seat B757 when able type Ethiopian cockpit view and enjoy it!
solomonpilot767 3 months ago
u can not make a living with this low wage, training now cost over 100'000$, be a flight instructor for 3 years at 1000$ a month, and a regional at 1500$ then they lay u off, and start seniority from scratch...it s not working!
this job is for loosers...I am a pilot and i refuse to join these airline scams.stay with jet, part 135, cargo, light business jat , whatever.
swisspilot2000 4 months ago in playlist Airplane stuff
If regional airline pilots go through school and ATP training, how do they pay for all that with suck low salaries.
kidcaptian 4 months ago
dude dont fly for the money. if you have a passion to fly the salary shouldnt matter at all! im in training right now and can tell this guy is retarded
f3nd13y 4 months ago
@f3nd13y salary shouldn't matter at all? Sure about that? If i'm dishing 100k for a job, I NEED a salary that will allow me to pay it off. You can romanticize it all you want, but money is a HUGE deciding factor.
tomtom5418 4 months ago
@tomtom5418 you will eventually pay it off. and my training is going to cost signficantly less overall. prob 55,000
f3nd13y 4 months ago
@f3nd13y I'm not putting down what you're doing. To each their own. But 55k is still 55k. When you're done spending that much to get your licences and ratings, you'll probably have to get a CFI job to build hours and you don't even wanna know what they make. The longer you don't pay off loans, the more you will pay. It's a financial spiral that is hard to recover from.
tomtom5418 4 months ago
@tomtom5418 i know roughly what them make and im going to college and majoring in aeronautics so my junior year i will get a job as a CFI for the university ( which hasthe biggest flight school at a private university other than embry) i will be getting paid to fly, getting hours, and getting tuition for free.
f3nd13y 4 months ago
@f3nd13y they not them...
f3nd13y 4 months ago
@f3nd13y they not them...
f3nd13y 4 months ago
@f3nd13y You sound like I sounded 2 years ago. If you don't mind me asking, what school are you going to? I attend a state school with an aviation program and took part of it in my first semester freshman year, and got my PPL. Careful with saying "I WILL get a job as a CFI". At my school, they are extremely selective in who they hire, and as far as I know they didn't hire anyone last year. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Just make sure you look realistically into the future.
tomtom5418 4 months ago
@f3nd13y I'm not putting down what you're doing. To each their own. But 55k is still 55k. When you're done spending that much to get your licences and ratings, you'll probably have to get a CFI job to build hours and you don't even wanna know what they make. The longer you don't pay off loans, the more you will pay. It's a financial spiral that is hard to recover from.
tomtom5418 4 months ago
I don't know wtf any of this means.
greentea1494 4 months ago
Stop gripping about the wages and organize the pilots.
Giving every pilot a $10,000.00 raise would be a good starting point.
But with more pay means more training etc.
ohgoddamn 5 months ago
this video is a disgrace and destroys all hope for future pilots, such as my self.
jjownsall 5 months ago
This video was dumb. You don't just one day become a pilot, smart people know they have to go through this. But you have to start some were.
RoHoAirsoft 5 months ago
i dont understand this video^^
ColtOneColt 5 months ago
Thats why I got my A&P...
micropope 5 months ago
There are two types of people entering our industry today, those that want to fly planes and those that want to wear a pilots uniform, are happy to be paid crap and undercut others in the industry, wheel a flight bag through a terminal and sit in the RH seat for 9 years following the almighty SOPs and doing crosswords. Nowdays doing C206 time in Africa, Australia, South America, Canada etc is the only surefire way to gain any respect in this industry and still enjoy flying.
gnarkillkicksass 5 months ago 7
@gnarkillkicksass you are absolutely right. Young pilots nowadays are willing to fly for no money. You'll see kids with rich parents "buying" their kids a pilot job, and have no issues with it because they simply just want to "be cool" or "play airline pilot", they just want the attention, and they don't treat it as a profession. Airlines always like to take advantage of these pilots, which takes away the respect for the pilot profession.
sweetsf4life 3 months ago
@sweetsf4life Yeah that's very prominent in the USA and now Europe from what I hear. The best way to beat them would be to, as I said, grab some bush time which an employer would happily respect.
The thing I hate about today is those types that don't care what they earn undercut those that do. It brings us all down and is destructive for the industry.
gnarkillkicksass 3 months ago
@gnarkillkicksass I like how they do it in Hong Kong, where they are willing to hire guys with low time and little experience, but they will have to first pass many difficult tests, interviews, and go through extensive training, so most of the "wannabe" pilots will be washed out during the process. And at the end, only the qualified guys get hired, and still get paid a very decent salary. They don't want to degrade the airline industry by hiring cheap pilots who just want to look cool.
sweetsf4life 3 months ago
@sweetsf4life Haha that's where I work, and no it isn't as rosy as it sounds. Read up on a thing called the "49ers" and that explains what life is like in HK for a pilot. The cadetship is being canned as well due to guys not being right hand seat ready and difficulties qualifying for an ATPL. Very few cadets will make it to the LHS and I am saying that as a former cadet.
gnarkillkicksass 3 months ago
@gnarkillkicksass wow what a bingo, haha. I know it's expensive in HK, but at the same time, I'm sure a lot of HK kids would still want to be an airline pilot for less money than that, and hopefully HK will not let that happen. The airlines of HK are almost on top of the list when it comes to safety, and I hope it stays that way. So are you an HK local? who are you flying for now?
sweetsf4life 3 months ago
@sweetsf4life No am I Australian but I was born in HK to Aussies though I joined as an expatriate (to get the benefits). Most of the locals get degrees before wanting to join the airlines then realise they will make a fortune elsewhere with their degrees and scrap the flying idea. The accident record is low but the incident record for here is just a bit better then everywhere else but don't worry - Hong Kong Airlines and Hong Kong Express will change that soon. I fly RHS A320/321 at KA.
gnarkillkicksass 3 months ago
some of the lucky people get hired as they have families who work in powerful positions in the airline they apply for. those people are lucky
210482fmj 6 months ago
you could make 40k or more as a truck drivers. very sad. pilots these days mean nothing.
carthian1 6 months ago
What do you call two well paid drunks and three well paid sluts?...... a flight crew for a big airline. What do you call two low paid drunk scum bags and one smelly wrinkled suit wearing, low paid, purple crayon swallowing slut?..... a regional jet flight crew.
jelloshooter82 6 months ago
1:41 SO CHEAP AIRLINE
1055939 6 months ago
@1055939 But Great Lakes sucks. Flew with them a couple months ago from Denver to Dodge City, then to Kansas City, and I had the worst flights ever.
airportfreak747 6 months ago
DO NOT SIGN UP FOR ATP FLIGHT ACADEMY. IT IS A RIP OFF. THEY DON'T DO GROUND SCHOOL AND DON'T CARE ABOUT HOW THEIR STUDENTS DO. THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT MONEY BUT THEY ARE GOING BANKRUPT AND WILL CLOSE LOCATIONS AND NOT REFUND YOUR MONEY.
FlyWisconsin 6 months ago
I just don't get it,the airline owners should tighten their own belts and invest most of their salary into the very airline they're suppose to be running. I'm not putting full blame on the CEO's either,air and ground crews need to grow some balls and stop working less then they're worth. I'd so pay extra to any airline that not only treats their workers,but also customers the best. I'm tired of this walmart society.
TheWarbirdPhoenix 6 months ago
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mikeplane 6 months ago
im sure there are truck drivers that make more than this...
Arsenal23TR 6 months ago
Thank you for posting this. I spent 4 years in the regionals flying a Dornier Jet. It was fucking awful. I made $17K the first year, and about $24K after that. The schedules were awful, you're always away from home, you live in hotels, and it just sucked. People going into the industry, think twice. Sorry to burst your bubble. Don't say I didn't warn you. I fly an A320 now, and my company is shutting down in Jan 2013. I'm over it. Good luck everyone :)
greenfruitface 6 months ago
@greenfruitface Its all crap now, any career, whole world going to pizdec
TonyFirelli 6 months ago
121 people LIKE Michael o Leary
juyg7h8yh 7 months ago
Frank? You mean Doss? LOL
duesenpilots 7 months ago
Frank? You mean Doss? LOL
duesenpilots 7 months ago
Who cares about the money? If you have a passion for aviation, money doesn't come first. It's about the thrill and excitement you get from it. You feel like you're on top of the world. (You kinda are, lol) Who's with me?
NuneZzzzzz 7 months ago 2
@NuneZzzzzz If only I was a millionaire, I'd agree but something's gotta pay the 100-200K training you need to get to that point.
bravo45 7 months ago
@NuneZzzzzz It's people like you that are willing to do a highly skilled job for peanuts that has ruined aviation for the rest of us.
MitchH452 6 months ago
holy crap
xspit0200 7 months ago
We have to ask congress to change some of the rules to the commercial rating. Currently commercial pilots in the United States are not allowed to print up business cards and advertise themselves. This should change and will give the regionals a run for their money. Keep in mind your pilot log book belongs to you when you signed the promissary note who was responsible for the loan! That loan has no tax breaks!
cmritchie04 7 months ago
Wall Street has no business looking at your log books, if fact you can go out and purchase a log full it up with phoney entrees and use that for your job but not use that log book for your rating! Walls Street gets a plastic card ASEL, AMEL, types are their responsibility, medical Wall Street has no say they don’t pay for them and they are not entitled to see them, and they can stop using medicals on the basis of discrimination, other wise they are breaking Federal Law.
cmritchie04 7 months ago
I am grateful to be here in New Zealand, as I am a budding airline pilot and pilots here get good pay. I have heard that the pay is pretty crap in the states
ridicucrunkulous1 7 months ago
what does paul foley do and who is the man at the end of the video
Flightmode747 7 months ago
Well look at it this way you make very little first starting out but you can get a tone of hours flying regionals and when the spot opens you can become a CPT. If you have a passion for flying then stick with it....
pianomanmaestro 8 months ago
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Listen, this is a really simple concept. If you hate flying, then why the hell are you doing it??? If you love flying, then continue to fly. It has always seemed to me that the pilots who complain and moan are the ones who didn't really have a passion for flying to begin with. If you want to be rich, go be a doctor or a lawyer. If you want to be a pilot, fly airplanes.
woneddieton 8 months ago
Listen, this is a really simple concept. If you hate flying, then why the hell are you doing it??? If you you love flying, then continue to fly. It has always seemed to me that the pilots who complain and moan are the ones who didn't really have a passion for flying to begin with. If you want to be rich, go be a doctor or a lawyer. If you want to be a pilot, fly airplanes.
woneddieton 8 months ago 5
@woneddieton
Well because its something called an "investment". Learning to fly IS NOT CHEAP, infact today I manage its almost impossible to really afford. It takes money and YEARS!
You want a return on that investment. Also, many of the pilots who in in their late 20's and ealy 30s believed that what they saw growing up, the money, the respect was part of the job. Due to the explosion of the regional airlines they found out that the job isnt what they expected. Many feel cheated.
PIlotrcm 5 months ago
@woneddieton Exactly. All pilots should walk off the job and not work for those wages. Maybe the greedy CEO's will be able to fly the passengers around? Or maybe they should charge as much as a passenger would pay in gas if he drove his own car, and give the pilots a living wage? Nah, keep them on food stamps and give me my free flights! The CEO needs to export the maintenance to China to get a bigger bonus, and that's expensive.
duesenpilots 5 months ago
@duesenpilots This CANT happen due to a little piece of legislation called the Railway Labor Act that us pilots are controlled by. It is ILLEGAL for pilots to strike unless they go through a lengthy mediation process that usually ends with the pilot group dropping the issue due to red tape. In Theory it would be nice, but striking RARELY happens... It has been effective in the past when the pilots are actually released to strike though...
srportmann 5 months ago
@duesenpilots sense a little bitterness and a little lack of biz savvy. CEO's r what they r. Some good, some not. The value of the co. is based on all of us greedy shareholders who risk OUR salaries to invest in a profit positive enterprise. No profit, no company. The next round of technology will likely reduce reliance on high skilled workers such as pilots and shift the cost burden to fuel tech and security. I just don't see how the regional pilots survive on such shitty wages.
KL437 4 months ago
@KL437 I've got a little bit more long term biz savvy. For example, the compensation has shifted radically to the top of the company over the past 20 years, during the same time "keep and hold" stockholders who actually hold execs liable for their performance have become extinct, replaced by day traders. Anyone who would hold an airline stock long term is bankrupt (of money or common sense, if you don't believe me check the performance of any of the majors over the past 20 years).
duesenpilots 4 months ago
@KL437 They survive because Daddy has a real job and supports them, and they are trying to "build their hours" to get a real job. (which doesn't exist anymore because they chose to work for free.) Catch 22. Bitter. Not so much as feeling like an idiot for choosing this profession. At American, top pay is the same now as in '92. Buying power is cut in half. Meanwhile AA CEO $10,000,000 "performance bonus" in year company loses almost a billion$. Problem? You tell me...
duesenpilots 4 months ago
@woneddieton What if you went to Med school and you worked as a Doctor, but earned $14,000 a year and were on food stamps. Would that mean you hate practicing medicine, or perhaps that you hate what has happened to your profession because everyone else is willing to work for nothing? You logic is simplistic and deeply flawed. No offense. Guess you have to be in the water to feel the heat.
duesenpilots 4 months ago
@woneddieton But by the same token I agree with you. Nobody should take a job that pays these wages. Obviously if the market will bear it, they will pay it. So you are correct. Forget the years and hundred grand you spent on this career, realize you made a mistake, refuse to work for free and do something else. That is the only thing that could save the profession. Passion doesn't pay the rent!
duesenpilots 4 months ago
@woneddieton man, you rock! That was the best ever comment in the entire youtube history! Here in Brazil the exact same thing is happening, due to the pilot shortage, which has became extreme here, airline pilots earn Over R$100,000 per year easy so people are using that argument to became pilots which is a pity cause they never go far enough. The fact of matter is they'll never be real pilots they're just people after money and status.
MercedesKawasaki 3 months ago
@woneddieton Did you listen to what Captain Chesley Sullenberger said before the Senate Subhouse Committee on Aviation in 2009, or are you completely deaf? Pilots who have lived careers in the aviation industry and love what they do dearly are telling their children not to follow in their footsteps. Just because someone loves what they do for a living doesn't mean they should be preyed upon by airline management.
TheWashingtonEagle 3 months ago 16
aah man I know some guys and girls who went of to fly for MESA, wonder how they are doing, Colby, Shannon, Courtney, Ted ? are you watching this?
youngfart40 9 months ago
Dumb ass don't hate on regional airline pilots, for one they love what there doing and will take any job they can get, and two its hard to get all the requirements to be a major airline pilot and regional airlines will help get you hours in so you can eventually get your ATP, and then you can talk about workin for Delta, U.S. Airways, etc. A senior pilot can make 2-3 hundred thousand dollars! And thats pretty well off lol
JBoY2214 9 months ago
how many hours do they work?
spiritualbully 9 months ago
I'm assuming that these salary figures are for starting and not someone with 5 years of seniority?
bnther36 9 months ago
this is made by people who want to be pilots but cant and are pissed and want to make other people join them and not be pilots... GROW UP. if you have the passion go for it! MONEY will get better as u get more experience!
MrClayton174 9 months ago
@MrClayton174
WELL SAID MY MAN!
woneddieton 9 months ago 2
@MrClayton174 I agree with the more money comes with experience concept, but lets get real. Becoming a pilot requires years of rigorous training and education, not to mention a shit ton of money. They are passionate and highly skilled, and they are also responsible for the lives of others. The bottom line is the airlines are shamelessly exploiting their most important employees and they should be ashamed of themselves. At least start their pay at $35-40K so they can pay their bills.
fresaw1 8 months ago
NO passion if u quit because of money.. *tisk tisk*
MrClayton174 9 months ago
This is why I quit flying!
shooter348 9 months ago
This video used to make me so mad. I havent watched this video in years. What a classic.
KSTLPILOT 9 months ago
Please refer to the Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 aircraft accident at Buffalo. Another watershed incident that should prove Pilots need more respect in the industry.
EpicMc1 9 months ago
holy shit my mom makes more money than most of these guys and she HELPS teach special ed. kids
TimsterDar 9 months ago
The problem is that it costs so much money to live in cities such as new york like where jet blue is based that a few thousand wont cut it. This is because new york has very high taxes and people cannot afford it.
dukee155 10 months ago
Commuter airlines pay as little as possible and can get away with it because they know young pilots need to build up more flying hours before they can get a better job.
br76892 10 months ago
I'm a former regional jet pilot and, my friend your numbers are off.
paulsheme123 10 months ago
All I can say is, get the required experience and apply for other companies.. The US is not the only country that hires airline pilots. Cathay Pacific, Singapore Airlines, Emirates, Malaysian, Korean, Air Pacific. These are not career companies, just gain experience companies..
wincera 10 months ago
this video is only funny because it's true! ///////one way ticket in to poverty!!
FOTONOVELLA1978 10 months ago
omg people shut the fuck up this is first year pay! after that it can go up 2-3K per year
its like that because for the airline to make a profit they have to start you off low. Training a group of newly hired pilots is not cheap on the airline!! if you don't like the starting salaries then go to school for something else!
ronaldbuffalo2 10 months ago 3
@ronaldbuffalo2
Yeah, 2-3k per year on 19k-25k when one may have 40K-100K in student loans to pay off to the tune of $500-$1000 a month payment. F--- that and f--- the idea of "paying dues" by being paid a penitence wage for the job. The good news is that there are better starting jobs in aviation than a regional airline that can be obtained without having to luck into them.
xgsft 10 months ago
@xgsft
rates will never get that high unless your credit is shot... but if you want it bad enough go for it. pay will not be like that forever. when you make it higher in the seniority list you will be glad you chose this career and stuck to it! it can only get better from there... im not here for the money i love it!
ronaldbuffalo2 10 months ago
@ronaldbuffalo2
Not true: Most people I know have rates like that with the few exceptions whom had family cover it or had a previous career which they could save up for flightschool. As the song in this video says, "Your love gives me such a thrill. But your love won't pay my bills". Fortunately, from a personal standpoint I have the love of the job met and the bills met but it would not be the case had I went the regional route.
xgsft 10 months ago
@xgsft
so i take it you took the air force/marines/coast guard route?
ronaldbuffalo2 10 months ago
I made more than that flying jumpers at Eloy.
Writer5591 10 months ago
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highfly84 10 months ago
come fly with air canada,the private company funded by public money i hear air canada pilots are the highest paid on the planet $150000-200000 a year.Good thing our crooked government steals our money to fund private business.
guitarz04 10 months ago
@guitarz04 Ups pilots got paid for 220,000
K3nnyize 10 months ago
@guitarz04 I work for Air Canada and it is no more a private company since 1989! 100% private!
toule911 10 months ago
@toule911 what? it is or it isnt?
guitarz04 10 months ago
frontline flying cheap watch it
caleb20091 11 months ago
@caleb20091 More people need to watch that video. I had no idea the airline industry worked with that
HipHopHatesRap 10 months ago
its a job you do because you love it, not for the money
skier4life27 11 months ago
its a kind jew induced infection,fuck ceo's and fuck jews
TheJimbo4123 11 months ago
ill give up having nice cars and useless electronics.....just to be able to fly
Gibson2471 11 months ago
As a pilot myself these are all first year annual pay, but yes it's a shame a janitor makes more then most regional pilots. You are in charge of lives and the responibilty you have. Some regional pilots there first two years have to live on food stamps or a crash pad with 7 pilots.
caleb20091 11 months ago
@caleb20091 hey im intrested in becoming an airline pilot so if you dont min i would like to ask a few questions.
1. whats the max sallary of a regional airline pilot and how long does it take to get their
2. what education and requirements does it take to become one
3. what airline do you fly for and what plane do you fly
4. Do you play any computer flight sims and are they realistic to the real thing?
Airsoftdevil666 11 months ago
@Airsoftdevil666 give it up little boy and go play with your airsoft guns youre too stupid to fly an airplane,maybe you can be choo choo train driver,go ask your mommy if its ok ill wait.
guitarz04 11 months ago
@guitarz04 i did she said its ok
Airsoftdevil666 11 months ago
@guitarz04 go troll a Bieber video and STFU.
I'll make sure to say you had a bomb on board when you're on my plane. I hope you'll have fun in Guantanamo Bay.
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thenewpunkrockkid 11 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid childish little boy,i dont fight with children run along home your mommy is calling
guitarz04 11 months ago
@guitarz0 its ok if you feel bad about yourself, just dont take it out on others
Airsoftdevil666 10 months ago
@Airsoftdevil666 im good thanks.
guitarz04 10 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid agreed
Airsoftdevil666 10 months ago
@Airsoftdevil666 Anyone correct me on any of these if you think I'm wrong
1. Depends on the airline, but usually 35k for a 5 yr captain I'd say. The big money right now is in major airlines, but the industry looks good in about 4 years if the economy and the airline industry recovers.
2. For a regional/major, flight requirments: FAA first class medical, Commercial and ATP certificate, as well as everything below those. No college required, 2 yrs recommended, 4 yrs (bachelor's degree)competitive
thenewpunkrockkid 11 months ago
you are wrong airsoftdevil there is more money at the major i agree with that, but there is no 5 year captian making 35k . and i can promise you will not get hired without a degree it is so competitive now some pilots have 4 year at regionals. You can't just get hired with rating either mosr pilots build hrs for a year or two you usually need about 1000 to get on now and 100 multi Ask a pilot who loves his job will say it's worth it and more. You can upgrade to captian in 9months
caleb20091 11 months ago
@thenewpunkrockkid totally right
MrClayton174 6 months ago
3. Only he can really answer that, but I'd say the plane is one of the smaller Boeings.
4. When he has some free time, I'm sure he jumps on one every once in a while. I know I would. As far as realistic, well, nothing can quiet prepare you for flying. I played MS FSFX for a long time flying the trial planes, but when I took my intro flight in a RV 10 and then a Piper Sport, it was way better than the sim.
Characteristics of the sim are somewhat realistic though.
Hope to see you in the skies!
thenewpunkrockkid 11 months ago
It depends and is always changing, but the max for a captain at a regional is probable close six figures although the average is probably under that . As a first officer the first year you might as well be on food stamps because the average is bout 21k gross a year and about prob 45k average and 70k for a captian i know right. There is a excellent video out called frontline flying cheap you can watch it for free it pretty much describes the regional airline industry.
caleb20091 11 months ago
@Airsoftdevil666 hey thanks. i really apriciate it lol i spelt that wrong i knw ... ill definantly ceck that video out.
thanks again
Airsoftdevil666 10 months ago
@caleb20091 but im sure you love what u do right? :)
MrClayton174 6 months ago
And I suspect the economy being what it is, most of them are just barely hanging on to their jobs too. I guess if you do it, you do it because you love flying. Really really love flying back the point of sanity.
opl500 11 months ago
They charter people so they wont have to drive there and this is what they get back????? You might as well be working in fire mill. The airlines need to give them money, not so to get more airplanes, because most of these airline services are doing fine. They get there on time and there always there when you need them. I want to be a pilot for Hawaiian Airlines but if I will get paid this money, Im going as an attendant.
airportfreak747 11 months ago
It's not right that pilots are paid these pitiful wages! Give them raises NOW!!
staffelkapitan2000 11 months ago
B S
barkode2 11 months ago
Looks like the person who made this video, made it only to decrease peoples desire to be a pilot, thereby eliminating job competition.
KiDFRANKKK 11 months ago
@KiDFRANKKK well said :)
Airsoftdevil666 11 months ago
How soon before we import cheap labor from Mexico to operate and maintain airliners. Just look to the trucking industry and N.A.F.T.A. for the (bleak) future. It will not get any better. Soon they won't even want english speaking pilots for free.
faffaflunkie 1 year ago 11
@faffaflunkie Can't happen. Mexican's can't afford to get the hours.
CathayGuy 9 months ago
@CathayGuy Watch. The FAA will give "waivers" to Mexican pilots. They (Mexicans) are allowed to drive and operate substandard commercial vehicles in the U.S. and flaunt hours of service rules. There is probably going to be bloodshed in the trucking industry over this. I expect pilots to go more quietly.
faffaflunkie 9 months ago
@faffaflunkie Yeah but, the FAA is strict. They're not going to simply just say "hey hop in this CRJ and fly this route". They very strict on how many hours a pilot has.
CathayGuy 9 months ago
@CathayGuy The N.T.S.B. is far tougher than the "dual purpose" FAA. And yet substandard Mexican trucks and drivers are still on our roads. Watch how fast the FAA buckles to political pressure from the President and N.A.F.T.A.
faffaflunkie 9 months ago
@faffaflunkie person in croud: What does nafta stand for?
Clinton: Nother Afternoon F**kin That ass;P
k2477456 5 months ago
@faffaflunkie no need to do so you stupid ignorant piece of shit. I got my ratings done in the us and let me tell you, all the international students did better than american students you know why? cause americans are lazy, you want evrything given to you in a silver platter. I chose to be a pilot in mexico because believe it or not, we get paid more than pilots in the united states, dont worry you dont have to worry about us taking your low pay flying jobs, we have much better salary in mexico.
sted4380 5 months ago
@sted4380 You may get more (in pesos) than a U.S. pilot but probably not for long. Making a profit in the Airline business is about cutting costs (and corners). If you are satisfied with your salary in Mexico I would advise that you stay there.
faffaflunkie 5 months ago
i make just over $200 000 per year in albertas oil sands..hahahahahaha i win.
guitarz04 1 year ago
@guitarz04 no actually u fail cuz pilots risk their live every single day and dey get paid shit so there is no winning wen it comes to ppl lives
Flightmode747 1 year ago
@Flightmode747 hahaha,ok if you say so but i help produce the fuel that runs your car,runs these airplanes,heats your house and so on
guitarz04 1 year ago
@guitarz04 i risk my life everyday alot more than any pilot,im working in a sour gas oilfield,driving around in a vehicle,since flying is considered safer than driving so actually you are wrong and you fail,have a good day...peace.
guitarz04 1 year ago
@guitarz04 go fuck yourself
Airsoftdevil666 11 months ago
@guitarz04 dats nothing compared to wat these pilots do and i sure u dont have to pay 10's of thousands of dollars for training and in d end get a bullshit salary
Flightmode747 1 year ago
@Flightmode747 dats? wat? im sorry i speak english but i think i understand what you are saying,pilots are underpaid i get it,but they know what they are going to make before going into that field of work so they cant complain about it.I would like to be a musician but there is no money in it so i chose to get a technical trade,3 of them actually,peace.
guitarz04 1 year ago
Nice idea! I agree with u.
Here in Germany young pilots have to invest into themselves. Approx 70.000 EUROS for pilot training and further 20.000 for their Type Rating. After that you make approx 44.000 EUROS in a Year after tax deduction you will have approx: 30.000 EUROS.
HAVE FUN BY ERASE YOUR DEBT
But i start also my pilot training in a few months:-)))
ATPL1111 1 year ago
Pilots do care how much they make! its the airlines that cut paychecks and know theyll get away with it because most pilots do love what they do enough to keep doing it for shit money.
905605 1 year ago 27
The aviation industry has changed so much~It's quite sad! Great job on the video, loved it! ( just left my job as a flight attendant due to so many new conditions & pay changes)
twobeavers 1 year ago
Look when you first start off in any job you always start in the bottom working the shit hours and getting shit pay...as time goes on you move up in the list...please name one job thats different
landmark425 1 year ago
@landmark425 ok but add in furloughs and medical problems and you are screwed and in order to get the real high salaries, you must put 5 years minimum making that in the regionals. add in the CFI time to get there. Then if by luck you get hired by a major, you still only make 40k a year tops. Its only till you make it to the 10 year captain point where you make real money. ATC, dispatchers etc get to stay on the ground and pay less for their training and start out at 40K a year salary base pay.
rev4life03 1 year ago
@rev4life03 wow you really have no idea what you are talking about sir, and should not be posting comments. Regionals that are hiring right now such as Air Wisconsin ASA Skywest are paying their FO's 38k 35k and 38k 2nd year. Making 40k a year tops lmao?? At all the above regionals I listed above 1st year Capt pay is more than 60k a year. You have to be a 10year capt in the majors to make real money? 1st year Capt pay Jetblue Southwest Airtran 138k 185k 106k ... Once again that is 1st year pay.
xXGETR0CKEDxX 1 year ago
@xXGETR0CKEDxX ok PLEASE post where you got that information because its obviously a lie. Go to any pilot forum like APC and ask those airline pilots what they earned as regional/major pilot. Also, you should watch the FRONTLINE on colgan. Those pilots only made 19K a year. The captains at those airlines DO NOT earn that their first year.
rev4life03 1 year ago
Fedex and UPS pay the best. Why? Because the regulations for hauling people are onerous (and congress is trying to make it worse!).
wadams19 1 year ago
I think I'll stay in Canada where as a First Officer on a King Air 200 I'm making 40K a year, and it only goes up from there, you can actually afford to be a pilot in Canada.
ryno200 1 year ago
I find it scary that guys straight out of flight school are flying regional jets and turboprops. Here in Canada you're not flying for a regional or even a Tier 3 unless you've got at least 1000+ hours fight time with turbine experince. Plus most of these rookies have next to no PIC time. Things won't change until hiring practices change.
ryno200 1 year ago
"Don't complain my pention and retirement went to your $38 ticket."
DVA5212 1 year ago
nobody wants to be a regional airline pilot xD
bajesus666 1 year ago
I love reading posts from people who aren't in the industry. It seems the propaganda works....everyone believes pilots make a lot of money. Suckers! No one at Netjets makes $250K a year, and they are all required to work minimum 17 days a month. As for only flying 100 hours a month...that's FLIGHT TIME. For every hour in the air that equates to an hour on the ground. Factor in the miscellaneous crap, and pilots work 60 hours a week.
BusDriver36 1 year ago
@BusDriver36 You are very misled - I've see the direct deposit receipt!!!! He has been with NetJets since they started and there is no posible way that he works 17 days a month - just not there!!!! And 100 hours in the air plus 100 hours on the ground is 200 hours - per month - and with 4 weeks per month that is 50 hours a week - and you can boast all you want - but NO PILOT can work 50 hours a week!!!!!!!! You're just making this up!!!!!
Earthlinked 1 year ago
@BusDriver36 eexxaaacctttlllyy
DVA5212 1 year ago
i jus wana become a pilot to fukk bitches man all over da world n especially da fukin flight attendents ,,i jus got in to aviation bachelor progrram ,,who gives a fuk about money ,,its all about da bitches man,,
5783456 1 year ago