Tithing

[MrDwaynsmith]

In His concern for humanity, God uses the 10% that is due Him to improve our lives spiritually and materially. The 90% He allows us to keep extends much further than the original 100%, considering the spiritual and material blessings that come from being in harmony with His laws.

[blueskunk12]

@MrDwaynsmith

Where do you get that from? Aren't we supposed to be stewards of God's property? If so, how can we keep what belongs to God, who owns the earth and all that is in it (Psalms 24:1)? And how can we expect material blessings, since God hates what is highly valued by man (Luke 16:15)?

[MrDwaynsmith]

Even the 10% He reserves for Himself comes back to us, as He uses it for the benefit of humanity—teaching mankind His truth, which will make it free (John 8:32). His truth frees us from financial worries and gives peace of mind, fulfillment and eventually eternal life.

Just as obeying the Ten Commandments brings us into harmony with God’s spiritual laws, leading to true fulfillment in all aspects of life, we likewise benefit from being in harmony with God’s financial laws.

[blueskunk12]

@MrDwaynsmith

How can the truth make us free if we're obligated to pay a Tithe and follow the Ten Commandments? That's not freedom, that's the exact opposite!

[MrDwaynsmith]

As Creator, God has set laws in motion for our own good. Obeying these laws brings stability in all facets of life—including financial stability. God created all human beings, and He holds prior claim over us and all that we possess (Psa. 89:11).God allows us to be in partnership with Him. Although He is Creator and sustainer of all that exists, He turns over to us not just 10% or even 50%, but rather 90% of what is entirely His.

[MrDwaynsmith]

At the heart of all Christian giving is the acknowledgement that God is the creator, the owner, and the giver of all things, and what we give back to God is only a part of what He has given to us in the first place (CP Gen 1:1; Ex 19:5; De 8:7-20; 1Chr 29:10-16; Psa 24:1; 50:10-12; Hag 2:8; Jn 1:1-3; Jas 1:17; 2Pe 1:3). Everything Christians have belongs to the Lord. No one has anything that they had not first received from God.The Tithe is part of God's heart of teaching us to give.

[MrDwaynsmith]

There are four things Christians must do in giving: they must give willingly from the heart, they must not give grudgingly; they must not give of compulsion; they must give cheerfully (CP 2Cor 8:12; 9:5, 7). Christians who give what they can to those in need will find that the grace of God furnishes a sufficiency for their own needs, and even more, in order that they may abound in good works for others (CP Psa 41:1-2; Pr 11:24-25; 19:17; 22:9; Ecc 11:1; Lu 6:38; 2Cor 9:6, 8-15).

[blueskunk12]

@MrDwaynsmith

You're right, Christians must give:

1) Willingly

2) Not Grudgingly

3) Not of compulsion

4) Cheerfully

But again, the Tithe is the exact opposite!

[MrDwaynsmith]

The thing is part of the fulfilled law is tithing.Christ spoke about it often.If we follow Christ,we fulfill the law,that means He expects us to give of our earthly increase,in whatever way it comes,the tithe is simply 10% of that increase in whatever form it may be,normally finances...but is also attributed to our time,material blessings etc...Another word for Love is Giving.By simply being obedient to the Word of God allows His Grace to flood over.I believe it is essential.

[NotFlaking]

@MrDwaynsmith You are quoting what has been pounded into your head, You are blind to the meaning of Paid in full it is finished.Diid you even read Romans 10:4, Jesus is the end of the law for all who believe? Gal. 2:16, Ga. 2:21 Gal. 3:13 & 14 Ga.3:24 & 25, Hebrews 8:6? You are trying to buy what Jesus came to give for free, His favor and daily grace is a free gift . Can you also name the other 612 laws you are breaking, if not why not? Let me guess... you R not a Jew in the Old Covenant law.

[NotFlaking]

Respond to this video...

Name the verses you say CHrist spoke about often I found two on tithing Matthew 23:23 and again Jesus was not talking to Gentiles but Jews and it as BEFORE he said Paid in full. Anyone that keeps paying a debt that has already been paid is welcome to it and if you want to accept the curse that Christ redeemed you from according to Gal. 3:13 have at it!

[NotFlaking]

Respond to this video...Yes I believe in giving but Jesus already did my paying. I'm tried of OxyMORONS

[NotFlaking]

@MrDwaynsmith One last thing, we do not fulfill the law and the Jews did not fulfill the law under the Old Covenant either, all are law breakers born in sin shaped in iniquity, which is why Jesus came to freely give us all thing. Romans 8:32 "Since God did not Spare His Own Son but gave him up for us all surely, he also will with him FFFFFFREEEELLLLY GIVE US ALL THINGS!

[MrDwaynsmith]

The word of God "Christ Jesus" stated that if we love God with all of our being and then our neighbour with all of our heart,then we have fulfilled ALL the law and the prophets.This shows me that if we keep to what Christ commissioned us to do and that is to go and preach the GOSPEL OF SALVATION in Him,then as we go we are fulfilling those two basic yet greatest of commands & laws.When it says Christ is the end of law,it is correct,He is the end,aswell as the beginning.Alpha & Omega.

[blueskunk12]

@MrDwaynsmith

That's right. We don't do the work. All we do is submit ourselves to Christ, then let God work through us. God paid the penalty for our sins by giving up his perfect physical life. Then He rose again to give us spiritual life. The life we live is not ours, it is God living in us.

It is not love to tell people Salvation is free, but the Christian Walk requires lots of rules and hard work. Instead, all we do is accept God's love and share it with others. That is the Good News!

[NotFlaking]

I mean't it's not our own payments because without the payment Jesus made for us we would not be able to approach God or go boldly to his throne of Grace and obtain mercy (for any need). Gentiles were not given the Old Covenant of Law but were adopted in by Grace (Unmerited Favor). Unmerited means something you did not earn or deserve.

[NotFlaking]

Did you know the Mormons and other religions based on works are the biggest tithers?Christians rest in the work of Christ and our own payments for righteousness & justification.Daily grace is a free gift in Jesus name. I give but I don't foolishly believe I can pay God Jesus paid it all, all to him I owe. If you love him you will imitate his generosity but in all cases being lead by the Holy Spirit!

Some people are in Churches not preaching the word to support that is sin!

[NotFlaking]

We have the better Covenant because we have the Holy Spirit as our guide and teacher not the outward law written on tablets of stone. As an example when you see a sign on the speed limit it does not give you the power to stop speeding it only makes you aware of the law and how you are breaking it or desire to break it. Romans Gal. 3:11 says no one is justified by the law in the sight of God, the law makes us conscious of our sin.

In other words it points to our need for Chirst Jesus

[NotFlaking]

Many Christians need an understanding of Old Covenant and New Covenant, Grace vs. Law. What part of it is finished is not clear? Gal. 2:16 No one will be justified by keeping the law...... Galatians 3:24 The Law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, verse 25 but after that faith is come we are no longer under a school master.

How plain can that be? Beloved of God there were 613 laws under the Old Covenant ,rituals & Sacrifices were non-stop. Jesus is our justification & sacrifice.

[NotFlaking]

Many Christians need an understanding of Old Covenant and New Covenant, Grace vs. Law. What part of it is finished is not clear? Gal. 2:16 No one will be justified by keeping the law......

[boomtao]

Religion is a great racket! If I lacked any decency and sense of right and wrong I would start a religion myself and squeeze loads of money out of scared, gullible people!

[NotFlaking]

@boomtao

It was religious people that killed Christ. Religious Christians can also be dangerous, esp. when they only have the law and not the Holy Spirit. Christ came for us to have a personal relationship with Himself and God The Father. We have enough religions and religious people . What we need is a personal relationship with Jesus. Under the Old Covenant there was no mercy in the law, the law demanded justice for breaking God's moral laws now we have Grace and the Holy Spirit to keep us.

[Eddieguitarloebs]

Hey,if you go to a church and you believe everything they teach and you want to support that,then give them some money..if you think God requires you to give to any church your sadly off in left field with a bag over your head.It's free will giving man,stop letting people put you in bondage with their guilt trip,your heads in the sand man,pull it out for Christs sake.t.slap yourself and realize that you are in error in other aspects of the Bible also along with this one,have a beer,it's alright!

[NotFlaking]

Matthew 23:23 Jesus placed mercy, faith and honesty over tithing and said to also tithe but he was speaking to Pharisee's and this was before he died on the Cross and said Paid in full, it is finished.. Keep the Sabbath from Frid to Sat night and teach circumcision on the 8 day or shut up about tithing. There were 613 laws and all of them were apart of the Covenant contract. Why do they hold one only the tithe law? Give voluntarily as stated in 2nd Corinth. 9:7 It's not a mandated law anymore

[MrDwaynsmith]

@NotFlaking Read Malachi chapter 3 in the old testament and use various versions inorder to explain it better to you.Keep in mind that Jesus came to the earth not to do away with the old testament law but rather to fulfill them.In Christ all the law is complete,trusting in Him means tithing is part of that process...Just a thought for you to consider.

[NotFlaking]

@MrDwaynsmith What is your take on Romans 10:4 "Christ is the end of the law for everyone who believes".?

Under the Old Covenant if they broke one law out of the 613 Mosaic laws they canceled the blessing because the whole law was a bundled and packaged deal and all of them had to be kept. See James 2:10 The problem is they could not keep those laws. Which is why Jesus had to come to keep them for us as our substitute. Are u keeping EVERY Sabbath Holy, No activity Frid night to Sat night ?

[NotFlaking]

Respond to this video...I am in favor of giving but I read my bible and know I cannot be cursed with a curse in Malachi 3 because this was said to a people and nation under the Old Covenant of Law not b4 Jesus said on the Cross Paid in full as in It is Finished. 

[blueskunk12]

@MrDwaynsmith

You're right, Jesus came to fulfill the law. Since Jesus has done so, why do you try to do what Jesus has already done?

And since the lawful Tithe was commanded of the Israelites while they inhabited the land (they did not Tithe while in exile), only Israelites living in Israel can Tithe.

And since the law says the Tithe is food produced in Israel, money cannot be Tithed.

And since the law says the Tithe goes to the Levite as his inheritance, no one can Tithe.

[NotFlaking]

Jesus born under the law, fulfilled the law for the redeemed. Galatians 3:13-"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law by being .

So quit lying that the redeemed can be cursed with a curse after Jesus died on the Cross. Galatians 3:24 The law was our tutor to bring us to Christ

Galatians 3:25 After Christ came we are no longer under a tutor.

Galatians 5:4 You who try to be justified by the law have been cut off and fallen from Grace! Enough said!

[blueskunk12]

One question to those who Tithe. What does the promise say?

Malachi 3:10

"Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it."

Now I ask you, has this ever happened to any Tither? Not just having enough to meet your needs and then some, but having so much that you don't have enough room for it?

[lasthalfhour]

@blueskunk12...yes..cos if i count my blessings everyday then there will be no room for me to store it! just being alive everyday is already a big blessing...isn't it? for just 10% of my earnings it is definitely worth it! i know God doesn't need my money cos He owns the whole universe but He looks at the heart of the person giving! :)

[blueskunk12]

@lasthalfhour

The Biblical Tithe was not 10% the first of one's gross income. The Tithe was part of the Law. Jesus said so Himself. The Tithe is not giving. The Tithe was *mandatory*.

God does not put a price tag on His blessings. Instead, "he causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." (Matthew 5:45).

We have a NEW Covenant, one that is not based on obedience to OLD laws, but in Jesus Christ. Do not deny Him to follow old traditions!

[NotFlaking]

@blueskunk12 Jesus said the tithe was mandatory but he said this to Jews under the law b4 the cross. By the way were you are males under your roof circumcised by a Priest on the 8th day after they were born. This was a law long b4 tithing and not doing it was a crime punishable by death, unlike tithing it was a weightier matter of the law.

[NotFlaking]

@blueskunk12 If people want to stay true to what tithing was paid in they would be tithing food. There was silver as in money.Joseph, Jacob's Son was sold for 20 pieces of silver by his brothers.

It's scary Xtians not reading their own bibles &  taking the word of someone else. . Don't take anyone's word, read for yourselves & you'll know when a counterfeit comes to your door trying to brainwash U. Get your own word from the Lord- quit running all over the place for a word from the Lord!

[blueskunk12]

@NotFlaking

Couldn't agree more. They call themselves Christians, then do not go to the Lord. They place a man over themselves. Then they sit in a pew or chair and let some man tell them what to think and believe. They claim to follow God, then turn around and try to do the Christian walk through their own effort.

The Christian Tithe is not found in the Bible, but Christians don't know it. They let themselves be deceived, then they wonder why the Church has no power.

[NotFlaking]

@blueskunk12 God was not speaking to Gentiles in the Old Covenant. We came into Covenant after Jesus died Gentiles were even called uncircumcised dogs. Gentiles knew this. Remember the woman who wanted Jesus to heal her demon possessed daughter. Jesus said he came to the lost sheep of Israel (Jews). This woman said even the dogs ate the crumbs from their masters table. Non-Jews were aliens outside the Covenant of God until Jesus our bridge to God paid for us to come in by his own blood.

[blueskunk12]

@NotFlaking

I agree that God was not speaking to Gentiles. The command to Tithe was specifically for the Israelites (Lev 27:34).

The BIBLICAL Tithe was food, produced in Israel by wealthy land-owners, given to Levites, and distributed to the poor. The whole 10% did NOT go into the Storehouse, but only 1% (Num 18:26).

Gentiles could not Tithe. People who did not own land could not Tithe. Those who received the Tithe could not own land.

Everything the Church teaches about the Tithe is WRONG!

[Shortsheep1967]

Jesus said, concerning the tithe in Matthew 23:23..

"You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things." So Jesus, even though he was correcting the pharisees here... stood up for the tithe.

[blueskunk12]

@Shortsheep1967

You quote what you like and neglect that which contradicts you. So let's quote it.

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important MATTERS OF THE LAW—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former."

Do you see that? Jesus was talking of "matters of the law". When was the law fulfilled? At his DEATH.

[NotFlaking]

Shortsheep1967 To repeat for what seems like a thousand times, Jesus was speaking to Jews under the Old Covenant because the Old Covenant of Law-keeping was still in place until he fulfilled the law! Learn the differences in the Old Covenant of laws and no Gentiles vs the New Covenant of Grace Gentiles included after the cross.

[muzzleflash59]

Yes ..... Yes ...... Yes

Bring your wallet

Thats the only reason they want you there

GUILT and FEAR now thats controle

[Imaginefree69]

Actually, the Bible commands that once a year the Hebrews use their tithes to have a hell of a party, and to use these holy tithes to buy strong drink! Or whatever they lust for! "Then shalt thou turn it into money... And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice" Deuteronomy 14 22-26 Party on, brother!

[DivineRevelator]

@Imaginefree69 Yes, THE HEBREWS. This has nothing to do with the Church. Giving is for the Church, and it is mediated through Faith, according to the will of the Spirit moving in each person's heart, not out of necessity, but AS EACH PERSON HAS PURPOSED IN HIS OWN HEART, SO LET HIM GIVE. Now, you're going to have a very difficult time attempting to undo God's word in NT teachings to try and prove your point. Also, never look to OT for greater revelation on NT.

[Imaginefree69]

@DivineRevelator "Yes, THE HEBREWS."

True enough.

There is NO tithe taught in the NT.

I hope you're consistent in never using OT law

to beat up gays and others.

[gpbakalov]

@Imaginefree69 OK, did you read the following verse? DON'T FORGET TO TAKE CARE OF THE LEVITES WHO LIVE IN YOUR TOWNS Deut. 14:27 There always was and there always be those who will need to separate themselves to the ministry and this will cost money. Or is this too much of a thinking process for you to handle?

[Imaginefree69]

@gpbakalov

"DON'T FORGET..."

So what?

In what way is this relevant to anything I have posted?

If you have nothing to say, George,

it's often best to say nothing.

At least read enough to determine the topic

before attempting to argue.

[blueskunk12]

@gpbakalov

You keep taking Scripture out of context, then adding things that are not in the Bible to back yourself up.

If you'd like to talk with me, please send a Private Message. Otherwise, we'll be limited to using 500 characters per message, which gets very tedious very quickly.

[TOMAN4EVER]

If HE own's the cattle on a thousand hill's, why does HE need my 10%? THIS IS A TEST, THIS IS ONLY A TEST! After all, how many of us would sacrifice our only son? NOT ME!!!!

[StephanJG]

Novacry... your language is bad. Even a German can see that. And Tithing is not in the New Covernant!!!!!!!!! Read Acts!

[24Bwin]

read james, and mathew, and mark, and luck, and john, Jesus said "render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's and render unto God what is God's"

[gpbakalov]

@StephanJG Tithing was established BEFORE the law of Moses. Read your Bible! Hebrews 7 may help you understand. But again, it may not...especially if you have closed mind.

[blueskunk12]

@gpbakalov

Hebrews 7 was meant to show that even the LEVITES, who received the tithe, also paid the Tithe. Which proves that Jesus is a Priest, a higher and better Priest than they are.

It does not carry the tithe (all alone out of 613 laws) into the New Covenant.

[macgyver341]

5 stars!

[novacrystalas]

This is what I think about tithing. There is greed. Giving to God is good and I believe I get it all back. I gave $10 and within 1 hour of the end of Church I got called to my Grandma's who gave me $10 for being a hard worker. That was the only time I ever tithed. lol So there is basically a 100% chance of getting my money back. However, make sure that the money goes to God. My church of like 20 people use the tithes for the building rent on Sundays. Good people of God deserve tithes.

[thelamb777]

Satanic greedy catholic church...(I know...I get the gist of the video...I just wanted to make that side comment to go along)...

[novacrystalas]

If you don't give eagerly and willingly I believe God said why give at all? Or he said something like "that isn't the way to do it." I say your missing the point of giving. Greedy churches disgust me. I've ripped up money in front of my family to show them how greed consumed they are. They just turn into monsters and look at you with hateful eyes. While ripping up the money I say, "this is how much money means to me compared to our relationship. I only want love not greed." People freak out.

[thelamb777]

Nice =]...

[novacrystalas]

Yeah people freak out. lol Now my mom's sucking up to me because she knows she was wrong to bother my Grandma, but I'm disciplining my mom to care about the feeling of others and I won't take any of her suck up crp. She either says sorry to my Grandma and realizes how greedy and selfish she is or I won't talk to her. I kicked her out of Grandma's house and I won't talk to her until she says sorry. I already forgive her though, but she doesn't get it... Go TITHES

[ChristianIM]

That's not to say these things can't have value. Only to say that doing these things, and in this way, is not essential as far as the Bible is concerned.

Giving is certainly important to God, but not neccessarily in a particular form such as dues to an organization.

[novacrystalas]

I agree. I've heard of someone tithing by giving to charity or homeless not necessarily churches. The redemption of a person to God is magnificent and if you use your tithe money to give to the poor or homeless to glorify God's great mercy and grace I say that is a damn good tithe. Church is for believers, but it says in the bible that redemption of sinners is far more joyous then 99 believers so bringing people to God by introducing them to his grace would be money well spent. You know it!

[ChristianIM]

Nor is Worship essentially singing songs, let alone singing them in a large group. Worship is a way of life... present your body as a "living sacrifice"... all that.

The distortion of Scripture by the "Traditions of Men" is really astounding.

[novacrystalas]

Do everything to the glory of God. I believe in genesis the creation of man was to glorify God. Think about that. Two things that probably both are 1 we are to praise him and bring glory through our works to the creator 2 By making us has God done something incredible? To fashion man in body and soul. To give us agency or freewill to be like him the creator who has freewill. We are truly glorious creations. If a being brought us existence the feat itself is glorious proclaiming him all mighty.

[novacrystalas]

His intelligence, his ability, his skill, and his grace to give us the ultimate gift of freewill that he the lord my God has. Fucking awesome.

[ChristianIM]

No where does it say that their is a need for a weekly event.

The weekly religious occasion in the Old Testament was the Sabbath, a Day of Rest.

Compare that to a day of Religious/Spiritual Activity.

And there's nothing in the Bible about going through a series of spiritual activities like the local Christian organizations we call "churches" today take people through.

So that's neither the Sabbath nor is it "doing things BY THE BOOK."

[ChristianIM]

Church is when Christ and his people come together. Period.

Any size, even 2 or 3 "in his name" (his nature, character, spirit) will do.

Live generously as a way of life, and take the journey of life with other believers seeking after his Heart.

It's all there in the Word.

[novacrystalas]

I agree. Sometimes there's only 6 people at my church and we are there to learn and better ourselves in the name of God.

[ChristianIM]

And we're all in "full-time" ministry under God.

Paul was the essential Christian teacher of the New Testament church... and he had a day job as a tent maker to pay his living expenses.

Nor does it anywhere say anything about presenting a message to the same group of people, in the same place, at the same time, each and every week.

Neither Jesus, his disciples nor the apostle Paul do this or tell us to, so why is all this considered essential today?

[ChristianIM]

The temple of the holy Spirit in the New Testament is the believers hearts, and their is no longer a special building with a special staff. The New Testament emphasizes the priesthood of all believers and the body of Christ as a whole sharing with "one another."

There is no tithe in the New Testament or the Church of the bible.

No building is called for, so no bills that NEED to be payed.

[ChristianIM]

Giving and sharing are the things the New Testament emphasizes. In the old testament the Isrealite's government was a theocracy and religious, therefore the tithe was their equavilent of a tax. It went to pay the priests who ran the temple.

That's the Old Covenant. With the New Covenenat, Jesus died on the cross and now God's presence is no longer limited to a special place in a physical location (the temple).