Pregnant in difficult cricumstances? Facing unwelcome pressure to have an abortion?
Planned Parenthood are only able to perform abortions..they do not provide ANY SERVICE for mothers who want to keep their babies or give them up for adoption so please be sure to visit the channel of usrname UnplannedPregnancy for the contact info of INTERNATIONAL prolife agencies that are there to help..and all are FREE of charge..
This argument also has a lot of false dichotomies! I cant even put in into an argument but Thumbs down on this video. its so Pro Choice its not even funny.
Ok Ok ill let you have the rape and all that, now how about we stop the abortions that are done to healthy babies conceived by consensual sex!!!
The biggest thing that deathers don't seem to understand is this. Even BEFORE abortion was made IegaI, women couId stiII kiII their "unwanted" chiId in the rare cases of rape and eptopic and...
RoeVWade was a LIE ! ! !
Why is it that its the women Iibers who want to kiII the 50%+ of femaIe unborn humans?
@bRadicalmagic1, we're not deathers. The world is dying from overpopulation, and no matter how much you lie to yourself that it's not happening, it is. Just go to Japan, Britain, India or China to see how overpopulated the world is. We must allow abortion because if we do not, we have no chance of saving the planet from overpopulation.
@bRadicalmagic1 'god is just' ..you mean the god in the bible, who killed the first born son of every Egyptian, and all the babies in Sodom and Gomorah,until he drowned every child on the earth in a flood? That 'just god' ?..if god can do all those things, why has he let women have abortions for thousands of years?
generaliztion bast on politicons&exploted by the tv media she never metioned most charitys are prolife&pro life allso adopt more where the same peole who worry about over poplation go for invetrofertaliztion.contrairy to coment below that do yous fillent images when the talking about anime cruilty or the resalts of war or famin when ever any one tells of sufering.thay yous the say fetal protection law are on constational but the constations allso bane torchur if your gonna bid by the constation
you mite not pic&choos what parts&when your gonna pay atention to espechaly if you whant some prosecuted for waterbording i know its torchur to just poor water down your nose&amagen if it whas a gallon going on non stop.but its nothing comparde to having your are7leg cut off or being sucked piece by peice into a vaccum or burn i sideout.7thay can,t bame people from make parent who feel like thay can have a baby feel beter thay regulate them to only give acrut information.alot of the same people
thay allso put lot of epithis on adult thay claim to be pro choic but there agenst kid having a say in desigion abot them or for them untill puporty.do,nt even think thay believe have the stof thay claim there agenst showing some one geting an abortion the baby,a ultrasound because it would make them feel gilty but not get her to shanger her mind if a fetus is an uncontiouss cletion of cell then why would there bechame infact i would make her feel beter in early weeks&later mounth bord at a doll
@smartass250 i for got the same people who say we should care about all soul regardless of humanity have no compathion for a human fetus actualy most of them do like my self the one that do,nt care just more anti lifer saing fetes can,t feel or think it there explantion for all my previous statments the people who claim to listen to scients say that we can,nt alway trust scients&yous sceintific mistake as examples and if your realy look at thay still hold water to day im not going to compare
pro choicers don't use violent emotional propaganda and graphic images and false information (Crisis pregnancy centers are illegal in certain states for a reason) no one who is pro choice is pro abortion, we are pro having bodily autonomy no one will encourage someone who doesn't want an abortion to get one. pro choice is just that, choice, saying "I dont have the right to tell another person what to do with their body"
@heidishoshana But this does allow people to kill, you can have a say over your body but not if you share it with someone, else, your rights stop where another begins!!!!!
@cmadison93 I think the arguments for pro-life are far more grounded in logic than those for pro-choice. Pro-choice arguments tend to manufacture their own moral language to justify abortion for the mother's convenience. Pro-life tend to look at things on the basis of principle and comparison to similar rules on civil protection and human rights.
Those who call themselves 'pro-life' tend to be simple pro-fetus. For instance, they support war, unnecessary consumption of meat, death penalty, lack of respect for life outside of the human race (for which there is no logical reason to believe so). They use religion as a crutch to support their hypocritical views.
@cmadison93 I disagree. "Pro-lifers" concern themselves with the moral implications of aborting a fetus and make the claim that it violates particular civil (or divine) rights made to protect those in human society. The reasons for war are complex and may be to safeguard said rights. Eating meat is acceptable because we can have a sphere of ethics for our own species which safeguards the sick and weak from being compared to animals. I don't support the death penalty or animal cruelty.
'From being compared to animals" what makes us different? Why is there no respect for the life of other animals on this planet? Why can you eat pigs with no moral implications but not a human child? What makes us 'better' than them, why do we get control? There is no logical argument for this behavior.
Ever eat meat from the super market? Guess what, that is PAYING and supporting those who abuse animals.
'Pro-lifers' tend to concern themselves with only the welfare of the fetus. What about when the child is actually born? Consider the typical stance 'pro-lifers' take on issues such as welfare, health care, etc. where they typically just say, "Tough!" How in the world can that be considered pro-life?
@cmadison93 I'm not sure why you're diverting the argument to identify hypocrasies in individual people who support pro life (or pro fetus whatever) arguments. The argument is whether an unborn human / fetus has a claim to civil protection under the law. I would argue it does. I don't give a fuck about livestock and overgrazing etc. that is a different issue but I'm sure I will have similar views dedicated to protecting the innocent and safeguarding human lives.
Pro-life implies MUCH more than simply being pro-fetus. When these pro-life people say they are upholding the right to life and respect for life, they should be more specific and say they are only focusing on the fetus, and not LIFE as a whole.
It is important to point out the hypocrisies because LIFE is at stake here, not just a fetus.
And actually, you are the one trying to divert the argument.
My original comment: "Pro-fetus people are rather entertaining to debate.
As a peaceful, vegan atheist I can thoroughly refute all of their 'arguments' to support their exceedingly hypocritical political views/life"
Now take a look at YOUR comments and how they are irrelevant to the argument I originally made - that 'pro-lifers' are hypocritical. YOU are trying to change the subject and divert the argument.
If you want to take the more selfish approach to meat consumption/animal=by-product consumption,
What about how the consumption of meat and animal products takes up far more resources and ends up being more harmful to the human race(i.e. all of the chemicals and hormones in the food)? What about ALL Of the food we funnel to these animals that could be used to feed us? In biology, a rather simplified concept of the '10% rule' applies here.
Sure, war can be justified, but when you take for instance the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, how the hell are those wars in effort to safeguard our human rights? How the hell has all of the interference we have been doing in middle east for decades been to safeguard our human rights?
'Pro-lifers' have a high tendency to be overly hypocritical. Sorry to break it to you
@cmadison93 Maybe there are many hypocrites on the pro-life side of the debate if they support wars which lead to high levels of civilian casualties and little apparent reward. However, this doesn't change the landscape of the abortion debate. To be honest, pro-choicers are hypocrites for harping on about the "rights" of the individual, without stopping to consider whether the fetus is an individual that deserves such consideration. All you're doing is attacking people rather than the argument.
I'm just pointing out an inconsistency when people say they are 'pro-life' when in reality they are solely 'pro-fetus'.
When someone calls themselves 'pro-life' when they are NOT pro-life, that is a problem. This is not 'attacking the person'. It is criticizing the label and image they give themselves. More specifically, as seen by my comments, I have been criticizing the reasons they give for their hypocrisy - which is a justified angle to take.
I do love attending 'pro-life' rallies though since I'm a peaceful, vegan atheist and can thoroughly refute their 'arguments' to defend their hypocritical view of the world, including some of the points you brought up in this debate.
All in all, I'm pro-education because education is ALWAYS more valuable than legislation.
In Kentucky, for example, a woman may receive abortion services in only two clinics in the entire state. Only one of these clinics provides surgical abortions (as opposed to medical abortion)-- this, in effect, makes access to abortion virtually impossible to the state at large (especially a state that is not very wealthy or educated). Pro life movements are lobbying for similar situations in states across the country-- limiting access to abortion so much so that it is only nominally legal
i have never met someone in support of legalized abortion (pro choice) who is an advocate for abortion (above other options), enthusiastic about abortion, in favor of mandated abortion, etc. pro choice supports continued access to safe and legal abortion as an OPTION TO WOMEN, merely. it is not a stance in support of death, killing babies, etc. however, i think the general public is gravely misled in regards to the truth about current legal access to abortion---
Hmmm, is it just me, or have I also noticed that pro-lifers are much more right wing radical religious .... than the pro choice. Tho, I am not in favor of abortion. I am in favor of keeping the woman's right an option for her.
People need to think about it this way. Even if girl had natural sex and doesn't have a health condition, you need to think about what she'll have to go through if she keeps the baby full term. She has a right to do whatever she wants with her body, and she will be the one who will have to go through humiliation, embarassment, and rumors if she carries full term. Also, it might be very hard for her to give the baby up for adoption. Mothers tend to quickly bond with their newborn baby.
@jlopez412 Nice that someone else has a bit of sense. Mothers DO bond quickly with their children. Nature wires them for that. They are supposed to. But not all mothers are in a position to be mothers. And not all mothers want to go through life knowing the baby they love is living with someone else. Every individual must have a right to do with their body as they choose. Calling pro choice an extreme is completely bullshit. Which shows the biast of the video maker to begin with.
You play, you pay...simple...and I went through much the same thing as your mom...I also had a abortion which I regret every day...it changed my life...I wish I could go back and change that day totally. I would have my daughter in my life.
there will come a time when you will look back and say wow was i an idiot, good for your mom for not aborting you. there is support for women who need help. you sound very confused.
Pro abortion is defined as favoring/supporting the legalization of abortion. Pro choice stand supports that as well.
Some pro choicers do not like abortion, but they still support it if they are accepting it. For instance, lets say one person supports legalizing slavery. However, they don't like slavery. If they don't like it but support legalizing it, doesn't that make them pro slavery?
@rosemarylife You can't relate the two. Abortion is a prohibition issue. Slavery isn't. And no, pro-choicers are against abortion in most cases. They prefer other methods but believe that you cannot stop a woman from deciding what she does with her body. If we really weren't against abortion, we wouldn't use condoms and go for abortion every time. We are pro-sex education, so we can decrease the needs for abortions. If abortions aren't legal, then those that want one will get them any way ....
How can you be against something but still support legalizing it?If you support legalizing it, you are accepting it even if you don't like it. Whether it is abortion or slavery or domestic abuse.You are still dealing with another human.Who in here hates domestic abuse but supports legalizing it?You can not be pro choice without being pro abortion,because pro abortion is supporting legalized abortion.If you support the choice to abortion you are supporting abortion indirectly
@rosemarylife Compare the human fetus before the trimester with the fetus of some other mammal of the same relative period, you can't see the difference. If I showed you the picture, you couldn't tell which is which w/o labels. That is why I am for a woman's CHOICE to get an abortion so long as it is in the first trimester.
@rosemarylife Well if you're going to defend that stage, you might as well defend the sperm and the egg. Are you against masturbation? against women having their periods? Millions of sperms and eggs are die everyday... what are you doing about that?
The unborn baby has a set of his/her own genetic code different than that of his/her mother or father. The sperm or egg belongs to the mother or father.
Once the egg and sperm meet, a new human life begins that develops from one single cell.
The first stage of a human being is that one cell, not the sperm nor egg.
So when I am talking about the unborn baby, I am talking about another separate individual that is residing in his mothers womb, not the womb/egg/sperm
@rosemarylife But how do you decide that that's the first stage of a human being??? The sperm and the egg form the genetic material for that cell that develops into the human being -_-
And even if it wasn't, why wouldn't you defend the sperm or the eggs right to develop into a human being? I mean, they have potential too. All the carriers have to do is copulate w/o protection. What'd they do to miss out their "right"?
Science decided that the life of a human being begins when the sperm and egg unite.
You know something is a fact when it is predictable. For example, does a sperm grow into a baby? The answer is no.
A sperm is not a human being, because it only has 23 chromosomes. A human being has 46 chromosomes, has his/her own genetic code, has his own DNA and fingerprint. All of these characteristics are determined at conception.
A sperm is a potential. A fetus is a human being with potential
@rosemarylife Something is a fact when it is predictable??? And if you say that a human being has 46 chromosomes and only cells that have 46 chromosomes are humans, then what about children with down syndrome? They have an extra chromosome. Still think humans are defined by the number of chromosomes in their cells?
Mutations can happen, which is why some human beings have an extra chromosome, or one less chromosome.
A human being with a mutation is still a human being no matter what age, size or level of independence he or she is in. A sperm is not a human being, it is only a potential. A fetus is a human being that has as much potential as you and me
@rosemarylife Well, we evolved from our ancestors through mutations in the DNA over countless generations. Are you going to say that our hominid ancestors, our fish-like ancestors were all humans? In that case, all species should have human rights.
As you said yourself, "fish like ancestors WERE all humans?"
Were is the past tense. Now, fish and humans do not have the same genetic material.What makes human beings different from other species is our DNA. What makes us biologically humans is our DNA. A fetus comes from the species homo sapiens. In the English language, that means human being.
How is a human being made?
Well, the answer goes to biology. The sperm and the egg unite to form a new distinct individual.
@rosemarylife Our fish like ancestors didn't have the same genetic material either. I don't think you understood my point. How is a human being made? Sperm and egg unite to form zygote which eventually develops into a self-sustaining, self-conscious organism...
Actually, science does not say human life begins when the 'sperm and egg unite'. Science has made no definitive claim on when human life begins.
If you wish to get technical, life began ~3.8 billion years ago. Life is a continuum now. There is only constant cell division, replication, DNA replication, new ways to pass on DNA, etc. now. There was only that one beginning 3.8 billion years ago. THIS is what science technically says.
People on here need to be real..It is not the young weman who been raped(which is very sad) that are getting the abortion its the weman who had a one night stand,sleep with a guy from a diffrent race & dont want their daddy to know,have no clue who the daddy is, and cares more about their career. And on that hole rape thing their other solution like adoption(the unborn baby is just a much as a victim as the mom is).I mean the rape thing is the ONLY valid agument anyone has to support abortion
@maxergud People who have racist parents get scared what their parent will do to them if they found out they were sleeping with a guy from a diffrent race no less having a baby by him..It sad but it happens I have seen it plenty of times
The Pro-Life Movement is full of lies. I feel a woman's body is hers, my body belongs to me and who is anyone to tell me what to do with it? A embryo can not feel pain because it does not have a developed nervous system. Pro-Life people only care about women while they carry the child, after that, they leave the woman and child alone to fend for themselves.
@carmel350 Did I say people in coma's shouldn't be taken off the life support? I think that is the decision of the person, hopefully they left a will or verbal statement to friends and family about how they want that kind of situation handled.
sorry, you shouldn't have a choice in who gets to abort and who doesn't. and you know, these people aborting are not always those ones who "just don't want to carry the baby because it's a whole nine months and they don't want to waste their time money and energy on it." Things happen for a reason, and until you've been faced with the choice, then you honestly shouldn't be standing out there holding those signs and making judgements! besides the fact that some abortions have to be done.
@theriteousandthemeek THE ABORTIONS YOU ARE REFERRING TO IN EXTREME CASES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN DONE, THE IDEA OF LEGALIZED ABORTION IS SO ANYBODY FOR ANY REASON AT ALL CAN GET ONE.... THIS IS SICK AND DEMENTED. IT'S SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND YOU PEOPLE WHO THINK THIS FORM OF KILLING IS OK? I BELIEVE IT'S YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OR CARE FOR ALL HUMAN BEINGS THAT SEPERATES GOOD FROM EVIL! ABORTION IS PURE AND SIMPLY "EVIL"!
@carmel350 I'm sorry, Have you ever had a very unhealthy baby in you that is bound to die, or were you pregnant as a child, or were you raped by someone completely horrible and became pregnant because of it? Who are you to judge other people's actions? Everyone should simply work at making themselves the best they can be, not telling other people that they're not doing so. There's simply no empathy in narrow-minded pro-life people.
You could end the suffering of this poor man. Allow Tom Hanks to die and release him from his pain. Earth is a land of suffering and sorrow caught in a spiral of death. To destroy--to heal--Earth I will become the Chosen one. With your help.
Do you not want to heal Earth's sorrow? Let death carry you off into peaceful slumber.
Pitiful Mortal. Your hope ends here! And your meaningless existence with it!!
She's right about the two extremes - however, you're really creating a straw man - and you're right that neither side seems to think very logically about it but rather emotionally.
Now, me, my wife, my kids, my friends are all pro-life and we help single moms all the time - my mom was a single mom - and I'm against the war - we help out at the Crisis Pregnancy Center and my church and tons of local churches volunteer there and give money.
Here is the solution to abortion if we take out religious ideologies:
All students can have free access to condoms, birth control pills, morning after pills and safe sex educations. Then ban abortion unless in case of rape/incest.
I liked your heartfelt empathy and attempt to counsel and console those struggling with suicidal ideation, so I clicked this too. My heart goes out to you when I hear you talk of being a mistake and your freshman year and surmising your familial struggles. I've learned that a young man needs her father's love like a rose needs sun and water.
You mentioned "pro lifers" seem bereft of desire to support single moms but in my experience in the church of Christ, Christian Family Services provided lodging, medical costs, friends, family, emotional support, love, prayers and arranged for adoption into loving families. I've personally known women who have gone through the program and they made such tight bonds they hated to leave!
In fact, there are so many Christian adoption services that offer everything a young woman could possibly need, it would take some time to categorize and list them. If any young woman wants to have a child but wonders from where the assistance will come, she need only contact a zillion churches, but certainly the church of Christ is always there. And really, what true disciple of Jesus wouldn't help a pregnant woman however he could?
@IslamisWar What if she simply does not want to be pregnant, like me? I don't want to resort to welfare or asking strangers for help, or toss my child to strangers, or live in a convent, or convert or pretend to be xtain to get help, or have people praying for me- I'm NOT xtain. Why should a woman or teen throw away the life she has, and live somewhere else, and destroy 9 mos. of her life, possibly even more, for a potentiality? I mean it's good to help those that want it, but not everyone does.
Keep up the great work and I hope you continue spending time in Scripture and Prayer that your words might transcend mortal wisdom and speak from on high :-)
@ TheVideoLetters What I said was that strangling an infant or destroying a fetus in the womb are acts of killing. Society decides what killings are permissible under law. Is killing an eight month fetus in the uterus equivalent to killing a baby born 1 month premature? Our society says no. One is legal and ethically acceptable. The other is murder. The two beings have existed for the same number of days and are at the same stage of development. I find society's interpretation irrational.
Society decides who does and who does not get protection under the law. Society may decide that mentally ill people don't warrant protection, people that believe in the wrong god, or are of the wrong color or gender. Early Greeks exposed unwanted babies to die. In Asia today unwanted female babies are strangled. Its a matter of choice. To "pro choice" people in the US that's barbaric. In the US unborn humans are not a person. To some, that is also barbaric.
If you are going to equate aborting a newly fertilized egg to strangling babies then there is no way to engage in reasonable discourse with you. Your opinions are too extreme, and you regard them as facts. That is not the case.
A fertilized human egg is the point at which the individual becomes a complete & unique individual. It is "building blocks" to the extent that we are all made up of building blocks. That individual will continue to grow and change form in its cycle of life until it dies - either because it is killed or dies of other causes. If you take plant seeds and bake them in the oven, you kill them. You destroy the life in them. Using the term "kill" is descriptive of the action taken.
The abortion question hinges on "at what state of human development should the individual have the protection of his/her society?" This isn't a religious issue, necessarily, but certainly it is an ethical one. I'm not sure of the answer but I do know that my own comfort level diminishes significantly with the development of the individual. Birth, in my mind, is hardly a logical point and one far too late, at which to draw this very important (and artificial) line.
In my understanding of English, artificial abortion is the killing of a human being while natural abortion is the death of a human being. So, in my lexicon artificial abortion is "killing." Society decides whether than killing is ethical and/or legal or not. If society pins the "OK or not OK" determination on the age or degree of growth of the individual, given that we all develop and change through every facet of our lives, that determination will be arbitrary.
(continued) And so when you say "killing" you are enforcing an artificial line that you have drawn and are painting anyone who wouldn't have a problem with aborting a fertilized egg as someone "killing a human being" when in fact a fertilized egg is, medically speaking, just a collection of building blocks.
Semantics certainly plays a part, and that's why using strong definitive language like "killing a human being" where you can't prove it is warranted warranted dilutes the issue.
"When is an individual a 'person'?" for example. And, what does the word "person" mean?
From insemination until termination of brain function a human being is on a life journey. That journey can be naturally or artificially interrupted at any phase of development along the way. Pre-birth humans are naturally aborted frequently. They are also artificially aborted.
Death happens for all.
Are the terms "killing," "murder", & "death" synonyms? I think not.
@ DarkAngel182 I've heard your comment stated by many. Apparently its a pro abortion speaking point. Fact is society (including pro lifers) provide low income mothers & their infants with: Free medical care. Free pre natal nutrition programs. Subsidized education (mom) child free. Free infant & day care (working or student moms) Housing subsidies (up to free housing for indigent moms). Food stamps. Subsidized transportation. Job finding assistance. You call this being "dumped on the streets"?
There are reasons people have or want abortions. Good reasons I suppose. The issue is, "Should killing be tolerated in order to achieve outcomes that people want or need or that may benefit society?"
Abortion is killing people. Very young people but still people.
Do we kill unwanted people?
Do we kill people we can't afford?
Unhappy people?
Should age be a factor? Old or young we're human. Should our parents or doctors decide whether we continue to live or not?
I support abortion. The way I look at it the baby is unwanted anyway, and it would most likely get mistreated by the parents or stands the chance of living in an orphanage.
In my experience, so called pro-lifers are only pro-life whilst the child is still developing in the womb. Once its born, they couldn't care less. If it gets dumped on the streets, or is born into abject poverty, hey that's someone elses problem.
This is a woman that thinks for herself. That is refreshingly different when abortion is the issue.
Abortion is killing. Killing people. There is no difference between an 8 month developed fetus and a one month pre mature infant. Except their legal status. Killing the first is a "choice" and the second "murder"?
We should respect human life. Abortion AND capital punishment is wrong. No person and no "collective person" (IE the State) should have the power of life & death over anyone else.
@patienttype first most of the countries have a limit of 12-14 weeks.
second making an abortion legal decreases the number of illegal abortions, thus the risk of the woman's health becomes minimal.
third most of the abortions happen because the woman/couple can't afford a baby, are too young or parter does not want to. In other words if there is no option of abortion, there are going to be more unattended, unwanted children, which tend to become asocial or criminals.
abortion as birth control: most abortions are done simply because the mother was not ready/too young for a child. Less than 5% of abortions are because of rape or complications to the mother.
I think people should be able to make their own choice after they get pregnant- whether it's keeping the baby, adoption, or abortion- but people should also have free or cheap access to reliable forms of birth control, regardless of age, so that they don't have to worry about an unplanned pregnancy.
Just out of curiosity, what do Pro-Life people think should be done with all the kids if abortions weren't legal? I know it's a few million abortions which take place in the US alone each year. What should be done with them? If you got your way, what would happen? Would you want them to stay with the parents who didn't want them (for whatever reason, from fiancial reasons or convienence and etc...)? Or just put them all in orphanages? Or foster homes? I honestly don't know where they'd go.
using abortion as a form of birth control is sick???
im sorry but how and why?
the only way i can see it sick is that aborting far too many times may make your wallet a little less fat.... but beside that why not? abort as many times you want hell if you have a fetish over it more power to you...
i see nothing sick in removing a parasite out of your body.
well i agree with what you say and i am pro choice but god fucking damn i love getting in peoples face at pro life rallys because it is fucking funny to pown in there hipocritical faces!!!!
I think you make good an valid points. Let me add one that I have yet to hear anyone deal with. Look at it from a purely practical POV. Let's say for a moment that Roe v Wade is overturned and a FEDERAL LAW is passed that completely outlaws ALL abortions in the USA........ How on earth could that law ever be enforced? Does anyone seriously think that it would stop abortions from being performed? A law that is impossible to enforce makes it a joke.
Why is it that some people do not realize that having an abortion is one means of dealing with the potential consequences of sex. All too often, rabid pro-lifers say, "You had sex, now deal with the consequences." Abortion does deal with the consequence. That's like saying just paying the ticket you got for speeding isn't dealing with the consequences because you didn't go through the hassle of taking it to court. You paid the ticket (got an abortion), that WAS dealing with the consequence.
Wow. She is a used car saleswomen. She naturalizes the two sides, like choosing diet pepsi or diet coke. That is like saying there is no God and no Satan, or there is no good and no bad. If she had any scientific intelligence then she would state that abortion is murder and she would be pro-life.
@Theologyontap dnt belittle this womans intelligence just becuz she has the rare ability to be diplomatic "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" dont go around idely throwing stones at ppl becuz ther are better ways to get ppl to see ur side yes killing is wrong but you are not god so who are u to pass judgement? all u can do is share gods love and inspire ppl to do the right thing remember he gave us free will
I dont think the world is black and white, nor should abortion be. It shouldn't be a a fallback for men and women to not have safe sex. It should be something you think about for a long time. What if you get pregnant as the result of a rape? or your 13 years old? Now I dont mean that like I am pro-choice, but in a way -- I am. It should be up to us women to decide what happens in our bodies; if we want to bring another life into this world. And it is not a decision that should be made lightly.
Pro-choice allows for *BOTH* sides of the debate to co-exist, no one would ever be forced to abort. How is that not in and of itself a middle ground? There are many methods of birth control. Abortion is not one of them. Abortion is a tragedy, a sometimes necesary tragedy that must never be criminalized. Pro-choice allows all to make their own decision be it abortion or carry to term the same can not be said of pro-life. The middle ground is therefore pro-choice.
@WhiteStar11111 In pregnancy only the woman's body is involved. The baby, as you call it, I call it the fetus, generally does not have the brain function necesary to have an opinion or a position on it's own survival. The man, as it is not his body, should not necesarily get to choose what and when a woman's body does. It is not his life that will be completely altered. It is not his body that the fetus will live in, grow in, live off, etc. Pregnancy isn't easy. No one should be forced to do it.
@WhiteStar11111 So when daddy violently rapes and knocks up his 12 year old daughter pregnancy is natural? Sorry. Sometimes, it isn't. I am not advocating that every fetus ever conceived should be aborted. I am advocating that you get to decide what your body does and doesn't do, While i retain the right to make that same choice for my body. If you don't want one, don't get one. But, if my father violently rapes me or my uncle or cousin or brother, i am going to abort the unnatural fetus.
@carmel350 Incest happens in 1 out of every 4 families. That is a statistical fact. How many of those incestuous families wind up with pregnant daughters I don't know. But shouldn't those girls have the right to abort the fetus in the first term? Once it is viable I tend to think it is alive. Until such time as viability is reached to my mind, It is just a tiny little parasite that may become a baby or should in cases where it is being born to a mother not in a position to care for it, abortable
@IsisOsiris7 HOW IS ABORTION GOING TO HELP INCEST VICTIMS, I MEAN REALLY? THINK ABOUT HOW ILOGICAL THAT IS, FOR AN INSEST VICTIM TO BE ALLOWED ABORTION, IT ALLOWS THE INCESTOR TO KEEP INCESTING. THIS INCESTOR CAN DO IT FOR EVER, AND NEVER EVER BE ACCOUNTABLE. IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT JUST GOES TO PROVE CHILDREN ARE THIRD CLASS CITIZENS, AND WERE HELPING THE RAPIST TO KEEP RAPING, ALL THE PROOF IS BEING DESTROYED. WILL THE ABORTION TRULY HELP ANYONE OVERCOME THE RAPE?/ ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
@carmel350 And when that baby is born and that victim has no money is still 15 years old and has no education and is too ashamed to send daddy to jail, what do you think he is going to do to her child? I am sorry. This is an issue of personal choice.Forcing a child incest victim to deliver and carry to term just prolongs the rape for 9 months and destroys the rest of her life for a mistake she didn't even make as victims don't get to have an active roll in choosing in such situations.
@IsisOsiris7 WHAT IS YOUR POINT? HOW DO WE KNOW IT WAS HER DADDY IF SHE IS TO SCARED TO TALK ABOUT IT??? MY SISTER ALSO SAID SHE WAS RAPED AT 15, IT WAS A LIE! SHE WAS SO SCARED OF HOW MY MOM WOULD REACT IT WAS EASIER TO SAY SHE'D BEEN RAPED. ANYWAYS, ASIDE FROM THE RAPE AND LIFE OF THE MOTHER ARGUEMENT....EXPLAIN THE OTHER 93% OF ABORTIONS.
@jlopez412 Evidently I am not. At least 18 other folks liked my initial comment about pro-choice verses abortion. Which means they all clearly have sense too. You also recognize that i have sense, which makes me believe at least on this issue that you too must have your share of sense as well. So i would say, I am in good company. Wouldn't you?
@WhiteStar11111 It isn't murder if it can not survive without the use of another body. Once it is viable and can more likely than not survive without the mother's body, i tend to feel that unless it's existence is a serious threat to the mother's life, then at the point of viability aborting a fetus does become murder. But that still leaves at absolute minimum atleast the first trimester to abort without the fetus qualifying as alive. But no one says you must abort yours. Choice, must remain.
@carmel350 An infant and a fetus are not the same thing. Soooo It isn't infanticide if you are saying Obama, is pro choice. I have never heard him support infanticide. I have never even seen him make a statement supporting women's right to choose. Which is actually why, this term i will not vote for him. He has screwed the students, continues with these crappy wars, continues Bush Economics and is indifferent it seems to women's right to choose and does nothing for civil rights for gays.
@IsisOsiris7 WELL, YOU NEED TO LOOK UP OBAMA SUPPORTING "PLANNED PARENTHOOD". PLEASE CHECK IT OUT! ALSO, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS VIDEO "PLANNED PARENTHOOD DECLARES WAR ON SCIENCE".?
@IsisOsiris7 DID YOU KNOW AT ONE TIME IN OUR GREAT LEGAL LAWS BLACKS HAD NO RIGHTS AND WERE CONCIDERED SAVAGES AND NOT HUMAN BEINGS....AREN'T WE HAPPY THGOSE LAWS CHANGED AND PEOPLE STARTED TO STAND UP FOR BLACK AMERICANS. AMAZING HOW GOOD THINGS CAN HAPPEN WHEN PEOPLE DON'T FOLLOW UNJUST LAWS!
@IsisOsiris7 FOR ANYONE TO BELIEVE ABORTION IS OK, YOU DO REALIZE THAT OBAMA IS FOR INFANTICIDE, AND LEGAL ABORTION IS RIGHT UP UNTIL THE MINUTE THE BABY IS BORN? AND THAT'S OK WITH YOU?
@carmel350 I don't know what infanticide you are babbling about. It is called abortion not infanticide. It is called this for a reason. Because it is abortion not infanticide.I support planned parenthood also. 2% of the 10s of thousands they help abort. The rest need family planning guidance. In certain circumstances for the mother's safety and survival, I feel late term abortion should be legal in such cases. So yes, if this is what you are raving about like a lunatic, i do agree with Obama
@IsisOsiris7 OK I dont care what you say killing is wrong because that what it is killing.I understand the rape thing maybe they can make a law for exception for that.but that still doesnt make it the childs fault and their other saulotion besides mudering like adoption but the main thing about abortion is it not the people who been raped it the unresponsible people who mainly doing it.The one who cheated on their husbands,didnt wanna ruin their jobs,the baby daddy a diffrent race ect
Pro-choice, is about making sure there is an option. It isn't about forcing people to get abortions. It is about keeping the option available for those who feel it is really necesary in their situation. Which means pro-choice allows every woman the right to choose for herself. The anti-abortionists, want to force all women to have babies. Where is the middle ground? One movement says you decide for yourself. The other says nono, you MUST be a mother no matter your situation.
@faintstartlife Im a pro lifer and some of my best debates have been with my good friend Allie, a pro choicer. I can see both sides, I just dont relate to any pro choice standpoint. Now a real pro lifer is againsed war, abortion, and the death penalty. We are all entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, thats our constitutional right, and we strive to have that met on all accounts if your a real pro lifer.
PHILADELPHIA — A grand jury on Thursday accused the Archdiocese of Philadelphia of failing to stop the sexual abuse of children more than five years after a grand jury report documented abuse by more than 50 priests
The fact that in your culture its not hip to love life says a lot. Death is cool, hate is cool. Love and life = bad. You are such a sheep n that regard. Its not cool so I just don't know! Do you even know what an individual thought is? Think for yourself. Who gives a damn what the people categorize you into. Speak truth, speak love. Or join the gray blob that is our careless dead in heart society. Your choice, I don't care.
and the fact that in your culture where pedophelia committed by catholic clerics is pervasive, the embryo has better protection than living, breathing children.
@perfectbark So lets kill the unborn because the catholic priests are out to get the kiddies after they breathe? Nice logic, how old are you? Why can no one person I meet ever give a solid debate for ANYTHING. Using your logic, maybe you should kill yourself so that you don't get yourself molested by another humanbeing, ITS POSSIBLE! UT-OH!. Personally, I'd rather get molested then ripped to shreds by hard steel pliers. But truthfully, your statement made no sense and was quit idiotic.
you'd rather get molested?? that's rational brainiac. What is is about you religious zealots that brings you to care more about non-viable embryos more than living, breathing children?
there are FAR, far many millions more spontaneous abortions than medically induced abortions genious. So why is your deity an abortionist?
what a prick your god must be to flush millions of embryos into the sewer every year??
@SunnyLovetts says: Why can no one person I meet ever give a solid debate for ANYTHING. Using your logic, maybe you should kill yourself
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LMFAO...you want a logical debate and then you suggest suicide? Your dumbass prolifers always give me a good laugh. Im posting that statement in the forum for ALL to see. lolol
@SunnyLovetts Or, here's a thought, rather than killing babies or fetuses to protect them from a few disgusting catholic priests, perhaps we should just not take our babies near priests? WOW! Problem solved and no one has to die! I know my baby will never be near a priest of any kind. I simply will not permit my child to be dumbed down by any religion until and unless they become interested in exploring that for themselves but they will be raised atheist.
To ALL here who think killing a fetus is not murder, answer me this. Who here has not been a fetus. Are you saying at one point of your HUMAN LIFE you were not human? Would it be okay if you were murdered before you could experience life? WITHOUT EVEN A REMOTE PERSONAL CHOICE TO LIVE? You all got lucky, our sisters and brothers are dying each and every day people that you would grow to love and care for. People that would become miracles in other peoples lives People that would change everything
@SunnyLovetts If i were to say i wanted to live then i would be a heartles selfish human being i have sinned in this life iv hurt gods creation (we all have) iv eaten animal flesh, countless innocent animals hav died so that i may live off their flesh if my mother choice to not have me i could respect that choice and love her all the more for sparing me this guilt of life but she choice to keep me and i can enjoy and appresiate that life she gave u must understand dont u?
"It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive...It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception."
Professor Micheline Matthews-Roth
Harvard University Medical
Professor of Pediatrics and Obstetrics, University of Penn
"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being. [It] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion...it is plain experimental evidence. Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception
@fishandpop says:There are many people that want to adopt babies and children.
~~~~~~~~ then tell them to go adopt the 250,000 that are up for adoption today in the US alone! Tell them to get the 300 that are LIVING in NY hospitals because there are no adopters....let alone the number on other hospitals around the world.! Tell them to go adopt the the million upon million of strreet kids in foreign countries that eat of garbage dumps & have NO ONE!!. idiot.
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AbortionKillsBabies 2 weeks ago
@faintstarlite
This argument also has a lot of false dichotomies! I cant even put in into an argument but Thumbs down on this video. its so Pro Choice its not even funny.
Ok Ok ill let you have the rape and all that, now how about we stop the abortions that are done to healthy babies conceived by consensual sex!!!
CONVENIENCE ABORTIONS....can we stop those?
Jamespot24 1 month ago
I rather have an abortion than have a kid in a bad situation.
Chirsty76 1 month ago
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plovett15 1 month ago
The biggest thing that deathers don't seem to understand is this. Even BEFORE abortion was made IegaI, women couId stiII kiII their "unwanted" chiId in the rare cases of rape and eptopic and...
RoeVWade was a LIE ! ! !
Why is it that its the women Iibers who want to kiII the 50%+ of femaIe unborn humans?
ThankfuIIy, God is JUST.
bRadicalmagic1 2 months ago
@bRadicalmagic1, we're not deathers. The world is dying from overpopulation, and no matter how much you lie to yourself that it's not happening, it is. Just go to Japan, Britain, India or China to see how overpopulated the world is. We must allow abortion because if we do not, we have no chance of saving the planet from overpopulation.
KhagarBalugrak 2 months ago
@bRadicalmagic1 'god is just' ..you mean the god in the bible, who killed the first born son of every Egyptian, and all the babies in Sodom and Gomorah,until he drowned every child on the earth in a flood? That 'just god' ?..if god can do all those things, why has he let women have abortions for thousands of years?
dianalee84 2 weeks ago
every one how i disagery whith scientificaly to craetionist but i will when you you craetioist argements
smartass250 2 months ago 2
generaliztion bast on politicons&exploted by the tv media she never metioned most charitys are prolife&pro life allso adopt more where the same peole who worry about over poplation go for invetrofertaliztion.contrairy to coment below that do yous fillent images when the talking about anime cruilty or the resalts of war or famin when ever any one tells of sufering.thay yous the say fetal protection law are on constational but the constations allso bane torchur if your gonna bid by the constation
smartass250 2 months ago 2
you mite not pic&choos what parts&when your gonna pay atention to espechaly if you whant some prosecuted for waterbording i know its torchur to just poor water down your nose&amagen if it whas a gallon going on non stop.but its nothing comparde to having your are7leg cut off or being sucked piece by peice into a vaccum or burn i sideout.7thay can,t bame people from make parent who feel like thay can have a baby feel beter thay regulate them to only give acrut information.alot of the same people
smartass250 2 months ago 2
thay allso put lot of epithis on adult thay claim to be pro choic but there agenst kid having a say in desigion abot them or for them untill puporty.do,nt even think thay believe have the stof thay claim there agenst showing some one geting an abortion the baby,a ultrasound because it would make them feel gilty but not get her to shanger her mind if a fetus is an uncontiouss cletion of cell then why would there bechame infact i would make her feel beter in early weeks&later mounth bord at a doll
smartass250 2 months ago 3
and it did make morther shanger there mind catlin bruce karine riverd lidia re rafae.g cunan
smartass250 2 months ago 2
@smartass250 i for got the same people who say we should care about all soul regardless of humanity have no compathion for a human fetus actualy most of them do like my self the one that do,nt care just more anti lifer saing fetes can,t feel or think it there explantion for all my previous statments the people who claim to listen to scients say that we can,nt alway trust scients&yous sceintific mistake as examples and if your realy look at thay still hold water to day im not going to compare
smartass250 2 months ago 2
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smartass250 2 months ago
@faintstarlite But look! You're so cute. If your mom had an abortion we'd never be able to see your face!
Pro-Life FTW!
SuburbiaSurvivor 2 months ago
pro choicers don't use violent emotional propaganda and graphic images and false information (Crisis pregnancy centers are illegal in certain states for a reason) no one who is pro choice is pro abortion, we are pro having bodily autonomy no one will encourage someone who doesn't want an abortion to get one. pro choice is just that, choice, saying "I dont have the right to tell another person what to do with their body"
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@heidishoshana But this does allow people to kill, you can have a say over your body but not if you share it with someone, else, your rights stop where another begins!!!!!
reviewreviewer1 1 month ago
Pro life is purely a Christian view. Promoted by Christianity and corporations. Pro choice is pro freedom, equality, and non suffering.
KennyReddwooddforest 2 months ago
Pro-fetus people are rather entertaining to debate.
As a peaceful, vegan atheist I can thoroughly refute all of their 'arguments' to support their exceedingly hypocritical political views/life
cmadison93 2 months ago
@cmadison93 I think the arguments for pro-life are far more grounded in logic than those for pro-choice. Pro-choice arguments tend to manufacture their own moral language to justify abortion for the mother's convenience. Pro-life tend to look at things on the basis of principle and comparison to similar rules on civil protection and human rights.
LoneRookRS1 2 months ago
@LoneRookRS1
Those who call themselves 'pro-life' tend to be simple pro-fetus. For instance, they support war, unnecessary consumption of meat, death penalty, lack of respect for life outside of the human race (for which there is no logical reason to believe so). They use religion as a crutch to support their hypocritical views.
cmadison93 2 months ago
@cmadison93 I disagree. "Pro-lifers" concern themselves with the moral implications of aborting a fetus and make the claim that it violates particular civil (or divine) rights made to protect those in human society. The reasons for war are complex and may be to safeguard said rights. Eating meat is acceptable because we can have a sphere of ethics for our own species which safeguards the sick and weak from being compared to animals. I don't support the death penalty or animal cruelty.
LoneRookRS1 2 months ago
@LoneRookRS1
'From being compared to animals" what makes us different? Why is there no respect for the life of other animals on this planet? Why can you eat pigs with no moral implications but not a human child? What makes us 'better' than them, why do we get control? There is no logical argument for this behavior.
Ever eat meat from the super market? Guess what, that is PAYING and supporting those who abuse animals.
cmadison93 2 months ago
@LoneRookRS1
'Pro-lifers' tend to concern themselves with only the welfare of the fetus. What about when the child is actually born? Consider the typical stance 'pro-lifers' take on issues such as welfare, health care, etc. where they typically just say, "Tough!" How in the world can that be considered pro-life?
cmadison93 2 months ago
@cmadison93 I'm not sure why you're diverting the argument to identify hypocrasies in individual people who support pro life (or pro fetus whatever) arguments. The argument is whether an unborn human / fetus has a claim to civil protection under the law. I would argue it does. I don't give a fuck about livestock and overgrazing etc. that is a different issue but I'm sure I will have similar views dedicated to protecting the innocent and safeguarding human lives.
LoneRookRS1 2 months ago
@LoneRookRS1
Pro-life implies MUCH more than simply being pro-fetus. When these pro-life people say they are upholding the right to life and respect for life, they should be more specific and say they are only focusing on the fetus, and not LIFE as a whole.
It is important to point out the hypocrisies because LIFE is at stake here, not just a fetus.
cmadison93 2 months ago
@LoneRookRS1
And actually, you are the one trying to divert the argument.
My original comment: "Pro-fetus people are rather entertaining to debate.
As a peaceful, vegan atheist I can thoroughly refute all of their 'arguments' to support their exceedingly hypocritical political views/life"
Now take a look at YOUR comments and how they are irrelevant to the argument I originally made - that 'pro-lifers' are hypocritical. YOU are trying to change the subject and divert the argument.
cmadison93 2 months ago
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@cmadison93 What on earth is hypocritical about being prolife?
AbortionKillsBabies 2 months ago
@LoneRookRS1
If you want to take the more selfish approach to meat consumption/animal=by-product consumption,
What about how the consumption of meat and animal products takes up far more resources and ends up being more harmful to the human race(i.e. all of the chemicals and hormones in the food)? What about ALL Of the food we funnel to these animals that could be used to feed us? In biology, a rather simplified concept of the '10% rule' applies here.
cmadison93 2 months ago
Sure, war can be justified, but when you take for instance the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, how the hell are those wars in effort to safeguard our human rights? How the hell has all of the interference we have been doing in middle east for decades been to safeguard our human rights?
'Pro-lifers' have a high tendency to be overly hypocritical. Sorry to break it to you
cmadison93 2 months ago
@cmadison93 Maybe there are many hypocrites on the pro-life side of the debate if they support wars which lead to high levels of civilian casualties and little apparent reward. However, this doesn't change the landscape of the abortion debate. To be honest, pro-choicers are hypocrites for harping on about the "rights" of the individual, without stopping to consider whether the fetus is an individual that deserves such consideration. All you're doing is attacking people rather than the argument.
LoneRookRS1 2 months ago
@LoneRookRS1
I'm just pointing out an inconsistency when people say they are 'pro-life' when in reality they are solely 'pro-fetus'.
When someone calls themselves 'pro-life' when they are NOT pro-life, that is a problem. This is not 'attacking the person'. It is criticizing the label and image they give themselves. More specifically, as seen by my comments, I have been criticizing the reasons they give for their hypocrisy - which is a justified angle to take.
cmadison93 2 months ago
@LoneRookRS1
Pro-life implies MUCH more than simply being pro-fetus.
To have these people claim that they are 'pro-life' is absolutely disgusting.
cmadison93 2 months ago
Pro-fetus people disgust me.
I do love attending 'pro-life' rallies though since I'm a peaceful, vegan atheist and can thoroughly refute their 'arguments' to defend their hypocritical view of the world, including some of the points you brought up in this debate.
All in all, I'm pro-education because education is ALWAYS more valuable than legislation.
cmadison93 2 months ago
In Kentucky, for example, a woman may receive abortion services in only two clinics in the entire state. Only one of these clinics provides surgical abortions (as opposed to medical abortion)-- this, in effect, makes access to abortion virtually impossible to the state at large (especially a state that is not very wealthy or educated). Pro life movements are lobbying for similar situations in states across the country-- limiting access to abortion so much so that it is only nominally legal
anlowe02 3 months ago
i have never met someone in support of legalized abortion (pro choice) who is an advocate for abortion (above other options), enthusiastic about abortion, in favor of mandated abortion, etc. pro choice supports continued access to safe and legal abortion as an OPTION TO WOMEN, merely. it is not a stance in support of death, killing babies, etc. however, i think the general public is gravely misled in regards to the truth about current legal access to abortion---
anlowe02 3 months ago
Hmmm, is it just me, or have I also noticed that pro-lifers are much more right wing radical religious .... than the pro choice. Tho, I am not in favor of abortion. I am in favor of keeping the woman's right an option for her.
microchrome 3 months ago
People need to think about it this way. Even if girl had natural sex and doesn't have a health condition, you need to think about what she'll have to go through if she keeps the baby full term. She has a right to do whatever she wants with her body, and she will be the one who will have to go through humiliation, embarassment, and rumors if she carries full term. Also, it might be very hard for her to give the baby up for adoption. Mothers tend to quickly bond with their newborn baby.
jlopez412 4 months ago
@jlopez412 Nice that someone else has a bit of sense. Mothers DO bond quickly with their children. Nature wires them for that. They are supposed to. But not all mothers are in a position to be mothers. And not all mothers want to go through life knowing the baby they love is living with someone else. Every individual must have a right to do with their body as they choose. Calling pro choice an extreme is completely bullshit. Which shows the biast of the video maker to begin with.
IsisOsiris7 4 months ago
You play, you pay...simple...and I went through much the same thing as your mom...I also had a abortion which I regret every day...it changed my life...I wish I could go back and change that day totally. I would have my daughter in my life.
prodigal1978 4 months ago
there will come a time when you will look back and say wow was i an idiot, good for your mom for not aborting you. there is support for women who need help. you sound very confused.
thedrw100 4 months ago
PRO-CHOICE DOES NOT MEAN PRO-ABORTION! no normal person is PRO-abortion.
Muhtadin 6 months ago
@Muhtadin
Pro abortion is defined as favoring/supporting the legalization of abortion. Pro choice stand supports that as well.
Some pro choicers do not like abortion, but they still support it if they are accepting it. For instance, lets say one person supports legalizing slavery. However, they don't like slavery. If they don't like it but support legalizing it, doesn't that make them pro slavery?
rosemarylife 4 months ago
@rosemarylife You can't relate the two. Abortion is a prohibition issue. Slavery isn't. And no, pro-choicers are against abortion in most cases. They prefer other methods but believe that you cannot stop a woman from deciding what she does with her body. If we really weren't against abortion, we wouldn't use condoms and go for abortion every time. We are pro-sex education, so we can decrease the needs for abortions. If abortions aren't legal, then those that want one will get them any way ....
Muhtadin 4 months ago
@Muhtadin
How can you be against something but still support legalizing it?If you support legalizing it, you are accepting it even if you don't like it. Whether it is abortion or slavery or domestic abuse.You are still dealing with another human.Who in here hates domestic abuse but supports legalizing it?You can not be pro choice without being pro abortion,because pro abortion is supporting legalized abortion.If you support the choice to abortion you are supporting abortion indirectly
rosemarylife 4 months ago
@rosemarylife Alright. So you may yourself be against smoking, but support others' right to choose to smoke. that's how!
Muhtadin 4 months ago
@Muhtadin You are against the killing of innocent humans in the womb, but you want to keep it legalized?
rosemarylife 4 months ago
@rosemarylife Fetus isn't necessarily human. You lack knowledge in embryology. Fetus is a general term, doesn't specify a stage. It's a broad term.
Muhtadin 4 months ago
@Muhtadin
Than what is the unborn?
rosemarylife 4 months ago
@rosemarylife Compare the human fetus before the trimester with the fetus of some other mammal of the same relative period, you can't see the difference. If I showed you the picture, you couldn't tell which is which w/o labels. That is why I am for a woman's CHOICE to get an abortion so long as it is in the first trimester.
Muhtadin 4 months ago
@Muhtadin
Ok so what is the unborn?
...and so you are for abortion as long the unborn is in a stage that does not look like a human?
rosemarylife 4 months ago
@rosemarylife Well if you're going to defend that stage, you might as well defend the sperm and the egg. Are you against masturbation? against women having their periods? Millions of sperms and eggs are die everyday... what are you doing about that?
Muhtadin 4 months ago
@Muhtadin
The unborn baby has a set of his/her own genetic code different than that of his/her mother or father. The sperm or egg belongs to the mother or father.
Once the egg and sperm meet, a new human life begins that develops from one single cell.
The first stage of a human being is that one cell, not the sperm nor egg.
So when I am talking about the unborn baby, I am talking about another separate individual that is residing in his mothers womb, not the womb/egg/sperm
rosemarylife 4 months ago
@rosemarylife But how do you decide that that's the first stage of a human being??? The sperm and the egg form the genetic material for that cell that develops into the human being -_-
And even if it wasn't, why wouldn't you defend the sperm or the eggs right to develop into a human being? I mean, they have potential too. All the carriers have to do is copulate w/o protection. What'd they do to miss out their "right"?
Muhtadin 4 months ago
@Muhtadin YOU became a human being the second the egg and sperm united...believe it not, don't matter to me...but that is the truth.
prodigal1978 4 months ago
@prodigal1978 Truth? How do you claim truth without evidence or something backing your stance?
Muhtadin 4 months ago
@Muhtadin
Science decided that the life of a human being begins when the sperm and egg unite.
You know something is a fact when it is predictable. For example, does a sperm grow into a baby? The answer is no.
A sperm is not a human being, because it only has 23 chromosomes. A human being has 46 chromosomes, has his/her own genetic code, has his own DNA and fingerprint. All of these characteristics are determined at conception.
A sperm is a potential. A fetus is a human being with potential
rosemarylife 3 months ago
@rosemarylife Something is a fact when it is predictable??? And if you say that a human being has 46 chromosomes and only cells that have 46 chromosomes are humans, then what about children with down syndrome? They have an extra chromosome. Still think humans are defined by the number of chromosomes in their cells?
Muhtadin 3 months ago
@Muhtadin
Mutations can happen, which is why some human beings have an extra chromosome, or one less chromosome.
A human being with a mutation is still a human being no matter what age, size or level of independence he or she is in. A sperm is not a human being, it is only a potential. A fetus is a human being that has as much potential as you and me
rosemarylife 3 months ago
@rosemarylife Well, we evolved from our ancestors through mutations in the DNA over countless generations. Are you going to say that our hominid ancestors, our fish-like ancestors were all humans? In that case, all species should have human rights.
Muhtadin 3 months ago
@Muhtadin
As you said yourself, "fish like ancestors WERE all humans?"
Were is the past tense. Now, fish and humans do not have the same genetic material.What makes human beings different from other species is our DNA. What makes us biologically humans is our DNA. A fetus comes from the species homo sapiens. In the English language, that means human being.
How is a human being made?
Well, the answer goes to biology. The sperm and the egg unite to form a new distinct individual.
rosemarylife 3 months ago
@rosemarylife Our fish like ancestors didn't have the same genetic material either. I don't think you understood my point. How is a human being made? Sperm and egg unite to form zygote which eventually develops into a self-sustaining, self-conscious organism...
Muhtadin 3 months ago
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standingontruth1 3 months ago
@rosemarylife
Actually, science does not say human life begins when the 'sperm and egg unite'. Science has made no definitive claim on when human life begins.
If you wish to get technical, life began ~3.8 billion years ago. Life is a continuum now. There is only constant cell division, replication, DNA replication, new ways to pass on DNA, etc. now. There was only that one beginning 3.8 billion years ago. THIS is what science technically says.
cmadison93 2 months ago
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@rosemarylife undead corpses believe in unborn babies.
wormfoodwally 4 months ago
People on here need to be real..It is not the young weman who been raped(which is very sad) that are getting the abortion its the weman who had a one night stand,sleep with a guy from a diffrent race & dont want their daddy to know,have no clue who the daddy is, and cares more about their career. And on that hole rape thing their other solution like adoption(the unborn baby is just a much as a victim as the mom is).I mean the rape thing is the ONLY valid agument anyone has to support abortion
thehappyusagi 6 months ago
@thehappyusagi "sleep with a guy from a diffrent race" WTF did that have to do with anything??
maxergud 6 months ago
@maxergud People who have racist parents get scared what their parent will do to them if they found out they were sleeping with a guy from a diffrent race no less having a baby by him..It sad but it happens I have seen it plenty of times
thehappyusagi 6 months ago
The Pro-Life Movement is full of lies. I feel a woman's body is hers, my body belongs to me and who is anyone to tell me what to do with it? A embryo can not feel pain because it does not have a developed nervous system. Pro-Life people only care about women while they carry the child, after that, they leave the woman and child alone to fend for themselves.
MsAgnosticatheist 7 months ago
@MsAgnosticatheist
"alone to fend for themselves"?
That's false.
WhiteStar11111 7 months ago
@MsAgnosticatheist PEOPLE IN COMA'S CANNOT FEEL PAIN EITHER! WHAT'S YOUR POINT?
carmel350 7 months ago
@carmel350 Did I say people in coma's shouldn't be taken off the life support? I think that is the decision of the person, hopefully they left a will or verbal statement to friends and family about how they want that kind of situation handled.
MsAgnosticatheist 7 months ago
@MsAgnosticatheist SO, IN OTHER WORDS THEY HAVE A VOICE!
carmel350 7 months ago
lol so ur existense is a accident? XD
SuperUniverseQueen 8 months ago
sorry, you shouldn't have a choice in who gets to abort and who doesn't. and you know, these people aborting are not always those ones who "just don't want to carry the baby because it's a whole nine months and they don't want to waste their time money and energy on it." Things happen for a reason, and until you've been faced with the choice, then you honestly shouldn't be standing out there holding those signs and making judgements! besides the fact that some abortions have to be done.
theriteousandthemeek 8 months ago
@theriteousandthemeek THANK YOU!!!!!! You're the first person I've seen who actually makes sense!
jlopez412 8 months ago
@theriteousandthemeek THE ABORTIONS YOU ARE REFERRING TO IN EXTREME CASES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN DONE, THE IDEA OF LEGALIZED ABORTION IS SO ANYBODY FOR ANY REASON AT ALL CAN GET ONE.... THIS IS SICK AND DEMENTED. IT'S SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND YOU PEOPLE WHO THINK THIS FORM OF KILLING IS OK? I BELIEVE IT'S YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OR CARE FOR ALL HUMAN BEINGS THAT SEPERATES GOOD FROM EVIL! ABORTION IS PURE AND SIMPLY "EVIL"!
carmel350 7 months ago
@carmel350 I'm sorry, Have you ever had a very unhealthy baby in you that is bound to die, or were you pregnant as a child, or were you raped by someone completely horrible and became pregnant because of it? Who are you to judge other people's actions? Everyone should simply work at making themselves the best they can be, not telling other people that they're not doing so. There's simply no empathy in narrow-minded pro-life people.
theriteousandthemeek 7 months ago
@theriteousandthemeek P.S. HOW IS ABORTION THE ANSWER TO RAPE? HOW DID AN INNOCENT BABY BECOME THE EVIL ONE? ISN'T HE/SHE A VICTIM TOO?
carmel350 7 months ago
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TheMostDefinately 8 months ago
She's right about the two extremes - however, you're really creating a straw man - and you're right that neither side seems to think very logically about it but rather emotionally.
Now, me, my wife, my kids, my friends are all pro-life and we help single moms all the time - my mom was a single mom - and I'm against the war - we help out at the Crisis Pregnancy Center and my church and tons of local churches volunteer there and give money.
We're also in favor of effective social programs
clintpyr 8 months ago
@clintpyr BRAVO!! BRILLIANT!! Thank you so very much!
angelshoulders 8 months ago
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Here is the solution to abortion if we take out religious ideologies:
All students can have free access to condoms, birth control pills, morning after pills and safe sex educations. Then ban abortion unless in case of rape/incest.
ClaireLe 8 months ago
I liked your heartfelt empathy and attempt to counsel and console those struggling with suicidal ideation, so I clicked this too. My heart goes out to you when I hear you talk of being a mistake and your freshman year and surmising your familial struggles. I've learned that a young man needs her father's love like a rose needs sun and water.
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IslamisWar 8 months ago
You mentioned "pro lifers" seem bereft of desire to support single moms but in my experience in the church of Christ, Christian Family Services provided lodging, medical costs, friends, family, emotional support, love, prayers and arranged for adoption into loving families. I've personally known women who have gone through the program and they made such tight bonds they hated to leave!
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IslamisWar 8 months ago
In fact, there are so many Christian adoption services that offer everything a young woman could possibly need, it would take some time to categorize and list them. If any young woman wants to have a child but wonders from where the assistance will come, she need only contact a zillion churches, but certainly the church of Christ is always there. And really, what true disciple of Jesus wouldn't help a pregnant woman however he could?
Sincerely,
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IslamisWar 8 months ago
@IslamisWar What if she simply does not want to be pregnant, like me? I don't want to resort to welfare or asking strangers for help, or toss my child to strangers, or live in a convent, or convert or pretend to be xtain to get help, or have people praying for me- I'm NOT xtain. Why should a woman or teen throw away the life she has, and live somewhere else, and destroy 9 mos. of her life, possibly even more, for a potentiality? I mean it's good to help those that want it, but not everyone does.
ryddelwearsahat 8 months ago
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@ryddelwearsahat So the baby deserves to die?
MatthewMatthematic 7 months ago
Keep up the great work and I hope you continue spending time in Scripture and Prayer that your words might transcend mortal wisdom and speak from on high :-)
Your bro in Christ,
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IslamisWar 8 months ago
@ TheVideoLetters What I said was that strangling an infant or destroying a fetus in the womb are acts of killing. Society decides what killings are permissible under law. Is killing an eight month fetus in the uterus equivalent to killing a baby born 1 month premature? Our society says no. One is legal and ethically acceptable. The other is murder. The two beings have existed for the same number of days and are at the same stage of development. I find society's interpretation irrational.
patienttype 8 months ago
Society decides who does and who does not get protection under the law. Society may decide that mentally ill people don't warrant protection, people that believe in the wrong god, or are of the wrong color or gender. Early Greeks exposed unwanted babies to die. In Asia today unwanted female babies are strangled. Its a matter of choice. To "pro choice" people in the US that's barbaric. In the US unborn humans are not a person. To some, that is also barbaric.
patienttype 8 months ago
@patienttype
If you are going to equate aborting a newly fertilized egg to strangling babies then there is no way to engage in reasonable discourse with you. Your opinions are too extreme, and you regard them as facts. That is not the case.
TheVideoLetters 8 months ago
A fertilized human egg is the point at which the individual becomes a complete & unique individual. It is "building blocks" to the extent that we are all made up of building blocks. That individual will continue to grow and change form in its cycle of life until it dies - either because it is killed or dies of other causes. If you take plant seeds and bake them in the oven, you kill them. You destroy the life in them. Using the term "kill" is descriptive of the action taken.
patienttype 8 months ago
The abortion question hinges on "at what state of human development should the individual have the protection of his/her society?" This isn't a religious issue, necessarily, but certainly it is an ethical one. I'm not sure of the answer but I do know that my own comfort level diminishes significantly with the development of the individual. Birth, in my mind, is hardly a logical point and one far too late, at which to draw this very important (and artificial) line.
patienttype 8 months ago
@patienttype
I think it also hinges on the disagreement that a fertilized egg is an individual that needs protection.
SagaraRyou 8 months ago
In my understanding of English, artificial abortion is the killing of a human being while natural abortion is the death of a human being. So, in my lexicon artificial abortion is "killing." Society decides whether than killing is ethical and/or legal or not. If society pins the "OK or not OK" determination on the age or degree of growth of the individual, given that we all develop and change through every facet of our lives, that determination will be arbitrary.
patienttype 8 months ago
@patienttype
(continued) And so when you say "killing" you are enforcing an artificial line that you have drawn and are painting anyone who wouldn't have a problem with aborting a fertilized egg as someone "killing a human being" when in fact a fertilized egg is, medically speaking, just a collection of building blocks.
Semantics certainly plays a part, and that's why using strong definitive language like "killing a human being" where you can't prove it is warranted warranted dilutes the issue.
SagaraRyou 8 months ago
Semantics plays a part in this debate.
"When is an individual a 'person'?" for example. And, what does the word "person" mean?
From insemination until termination of brain function a human being is on a life journey. That journey can be naturally or artificially interrupted at any phase of development along the way. Pre-birth humans are naturally aborted frequently. They are also artificially aborted.
Death happens for all.
Are the terms "killing," "murder", & "death" synonyms? I think not.
patienttype 8 months ago
@patienttype
Insemination is an interesting time to define the start of existence for a human being.
That "human being" is merely an egg holding a deposit of genetic code, not even a functioning organism at all.
It's hardly different than the egg and sperm separately . Egg, sperm, fetus, these are all clear definitions. "Human being" isn't so easy.
It isn't just our ethical and legal lines that are artificial. The line where you have decided that a "human being" begins is also artificial.
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patienttype 8 months ago
@ TulpiuPieva
There are reasons people have or want abortions. Good reasons I suppose. The issue is, "Should killing be tolerated in order to achieve outcomes that people want or need or that may benefit society?"
Abortion is killing people. Very young people but still people.
Do we kill unwanted people?
Do we kill people we can't afford?
Unhappy people?
Should age be a factor? Old or young we're human. Should our parents or doctors decide whether we continue to live or not?
patienttype 8 months ago
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Pipinho27 8 months ago
I support abortion. The way I look at it the baby is unwanted anyway, and it would most likely get mistreated by the parents or stands the chance of living in an orphanage.
RetroJenny 8 months ago
In my experience, so called pro-lifers are only pro-life whilst the child is still developing in the womb. Once its born, they couldn't care less. If it gets dumped on the streets, or is born into abject poverty, hey that's someone elses problem.
DarkAngel182 8 months ago
avatarchick, go fack yourself.
Abr022575 9 months ago
This is a woman that thinks for herself. That is refreshingly different when abortion is the issue.
Abortion is killing. Killing people. There is no difference between an 8 month developed fetus and a one month pre mature infant. Except their legal status. Killing the first is a "choice" and the second "murder"?
We should respect human life. Abortion AND capital punishment is wrong. No person and no "collective person" (IE the State) should have the power of life & death over anyone else.
patienttype 9 months ago
@patienttype "Sigh.....here we go. :-)
Nigelxman1 8 months ago
@patienttype first most of the countries have a limit of 12-14 weeks.
second making an abortion legal decreases the number of illegal abortions, thus the risk of the woman's health becomes minimal.
third most of the abortions happen because the woman/couple can't afford a baby, are too young or parter does not want to. In other words if there is no option of abortion, there are going to be more unattended, unwanted children, which tend to become asocial or criminals.
TulpiuPieva 8 months ago
abortion as birth control: most abortions are done simply because the mother was not ready/too young for a child. Less than 5% of abortions are because of rape or complications to the mother.
Adoption adoption adoption.
fizzingwhizbeee 9 months ago
I think people should be able to make their own choice after they get pregnant- whether it's keeping the baby, adoption, or abortion- but people should also have free or cheap access to reliable forms of birth control, regardless of age, so that they don't have to worry about an unplanned pregnancy.
avatarchick830 9 months ago
Just out of curiosity, what do Pro-Life people think should be done with all the kids if abortions weren't legal? I know it's a few million abortions which take place in the US alone each year. What should be done with them? If you got your way, what would happen? Would you want them to stay with the parents who didn't want them (for whatever reason, from fiancial reasons or convienence and etc...)? Or just put them all in orphanages? Or foster homes? I honestly don't know where they'd go.
rsgirl10 10 months ago
using abortion as a form of birth control is sick???
im sorry but how and why?
the only way i can see it sick is that aborting far too many times may make your wallet a little less fat.... but beside that why not? abort as many times you want hell if you have a fetish over it more power to you...
i see nothing sick in removing a parasite out of your body.
saltymuffin1 10 months ago
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ReversePhoneLookup99 10 months ago
well i agree with what you say and i am pro choice but god fucking damn i love getting in peoples face at pro life rallys because it is fucking funny to pown in there hipocritical faces!!!!
6Slipknot5 10 months ago
What you say makes perfect sense....you're kind of cute.
JuanVoyce 10 months ago
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FatReleaseSystem 10 months ago
I think you make good an valid points. Let me add one that I have yet to hear anyone deal with. Look at it from a purely practical POV. Let's say for a moment that Roe v Wade is overturned and a FEDERAL LAW is passed that completely outlaws ALL abortions in the USA........ How on earth could that law ever be enforced? Does anyone seriously think that it would stop abortions from being performed? A law that is impossible to enforce makes it a joke.
tbdonnelly67 11 months ago
Why is it that some people do not realize that having an abortion is one means of dealing with the potential consequences of sex. All too often, rabid pro-lifers say, "You had sex, now deal with the consequences." Abortion does deal with the consequence. That's like saying just paying the ticket you got for speeding isn't dealing with the consequences because you didn't go through the hassle of taking it to court. You paid the ticket (got an abortion), that WAS dealing with the consequence.
aislynnmidnight 11 months ago
Wow. She is a used car saleswomen. She naturalizes the two sides, like choosing diet pepsi or diet coke. That is like saying there is no God and no Satan, or there is no good and no bad. If she had any scientific intelligence then she would state that abortion is murder and she would be pro-life.
Theologyontap 11 months ago
@Theologyontap dnt belittle this womans intelligence just becuz she has the rare ability to be diplomatic "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" dont go around idely throwing stones at ppl becuz ther are better ways to get ppl to see ur side yes killing is wrong but you are not god so who are u to pass judgement? all u can do is share gods love and inspire ppl to do the right thing remember he gave us free will
PurpleHelmetWarior69 10 months ago
I dont think the world is black and white, nor should abortion be. It shouldn't be a a fallback for men and women to not have safe sex. It should be something you think about for a long time. What if you get pregnant as the result of a rape? or your 13 years old? Now I dont mean that like I am pro-choice, but in a way -- I am. It should be up to us women to decide what happens in our bodies; if we want to bring another life into this world. And it is not a decision that should be made lightly.
ephii3 11 months ago
Pro-choice allows for *BOTH* sides of the debate to co-exist, no one would ever be forced to abort. How is that not in and of itself a middle ground? There are many methods of birth control. Abortion is not one of them. Abortion is a tragedy, a sometimes necesary tragedy that must never be criminalized. Pro-choice allows all to make their own decision be it abortion or carry to term the same can not be said of pro-life. The middle ground is therefore pro-choice.
IsisOsiris7 11 months ago 18
@IsisOsiris7
What you say presumes that the woman is the only one involved.
She isn't: there are two other human beings very personally involved.
One of the other human beings, the pre-born baby, is killed by the abortion.
And the one everyone ignores, the father of the pre-born baby, has his child killed over his objection.
WhiteStar11111 7 months ago
@WhiteStar11111 In pregnancy only the woman's body is involved. The baby, as you call it, I call it the fetus, generally does not have the brain function necesary to have an opinion or a position on it's own survival. The man, as it is not his body, should not necesarily get to choose what and when a woman's body does. It is not his life that will be completely altered. It is not his body that the fetus will live in, grow in, live off, etc. Pregnancy isn't easy. No one should be forced to do it.
IsisOsiris7 7 months ago
@IsisOsiris7
Pregnancy is natural.
Being killed by knives or chemicals or suction machines between conception and birth is not natural.
There are competing interests, so the question becomes:
Who pays the biggest price if their position is disempowered?
1. The woman who remains pregnant through the birth of the baby if abortion is illegal
2. The father whose baby daughter or baby son is murdered with the blessing of the government if abortion remains legal
3. The baby who gets murdered
WhiteStar11111 7 months ago
@WhiteStar11111 So when daddy violently rapes and knocks up his 12 year old daughter pregnancy is natural? Sorry. Sometimes, it isn't. I am not advocating that every fetus ever conceived should be aborted. I am advocating that you get to decide what your body does and doesn't do, While i retain the right to make that same choice for my body. If you don't want one, don't get one. But, if my father violently rapes me or my uncle or cousin or brother, i am going to abort the unnatural fetus.
IsisOsiris7 7 months ago
@IsisOsiris7 WHEE ARE ALL THESE DADDIES WHO KNOCK UP THEIR CHILDREN????
carmel350 7 months ago
@carmel350 Incest happens in 1 out of every 4 families. That is a statistical fact. How many of those incestuous families wind up with pregnant daughters I don't know. But shouldn't those girls have the right to abort the fetus in the first term? Once it is viable I tend to think it is alive. Until such time as viability is reached to my mind, It is just a tiny little parasite that may become a baby or should in cases where it is being born to a mother not in a position to care for it, abortable
IsisOsiris7 7 months ago
@IsisOsiris7 HOW IS ABORTION GOING TO HELP INCEST VICTIMS, I MEAN REALLY? THINK ABOUT HOW ILOGICAL THAT IS, FOR AN INSEST VICTIM TO BE ALLOWED ABORTION, IT ALLOWS THE INCESTOR TO KEEP INCESTING. THIS INCESTOR CAN DO IT FOR EVER, AND NEVER EVER BE ACCOUNTABLE. IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT JUST GOES TO PROVE CHILDREN ARE THIRD CLASS CITIZENS, AND WERE HELPING THE RAPIST TO KEEP RAPING, ALL THE PROOF IS BEING DESTROYED. WILL THE ABORTION TRULY HELP ANYONE OVERCOME THE RAPE?/ ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
carmel350 7 months ago
@carmel350 And when that baby is born and that victim has no money is still 15 years old and has no education and is too ashamed to send daddy to jail, what do you think he is going to do to her child? I am sorry. This is an issue of personal choice.Forcing a child incest victim to deliver and carry to term just prolongs the rape for 9 months and destroys the rest of her life for a mistake she didn't even make as victims don't get to have an active roll in choosing in such situations.
IsisOsiris7 7 months ago
@IsisOsiris7 WHAT IS YOUR POINT? HOW DO WE KNOW IT WAS HER DADDY IF SHE IS TO SCARED TO TALK ABOUT IT??? MY SISTER ALSO SAID SHE WAS RAPED AT 15, IT WAS A LIE! SHE WAS SO SCARED OF HOW MY MOM WOULD REACT IT WAS EASIER TO SAY SHE'D BEEN RAPED. ANYWAYS, ASIDE FROM THE RAPE AND LIFE OF THE MOTHER ARGUEMENT....EXPLAIN THE OTHER 93% OF ABORTIONS.
carmel350 7 months ago
@IsisOsiris7 You honestly seem to be the only one with sense here.
jlopez412 4 months ago
@jlopez412 Evidently I am not. At least 18 other folks liked my initial comment about pro-choice verses abortion. Which means they all clearly have sense too. You also recognize that i have sense, which makes me believe at least on this issue that you too must have your share of sense as well. So i would say, I am in good company. Wouldn't you?
IsisOsiris7 4 months ago
@WhiteStar11111 It isn't murder if it can not survive without the use of another body. Once it is viable and can more likely than not survive without the mother's body, i tend to feel that unless it's existence is a serious threat to the mother's life, then at the point of viability aborting a fetus does become murder. But that still leaves at absolute minimum atleast the first trimester to abort without the fetus qualifying as alive. But no one says you must abort yours. Choice, must remain.
IsisOsiris7 7 months ago
@IsisOsiris7 OBAMA SUPPORTS INFANTICIDE, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?
carmel350 7 months ago
@carmel350 An infant and a fetus are not the same thing. Soooo It isn't infanticide if you are saying Obama, is pro choice. I have never heard him support infanticide. I have never even seen him make a statement supporting women's right to choose. Which is actually why, this term i will not vote for him. He has screwed the students, continues with these crappy wars, continues Bush Economics and is indifferent it seems to women's right to choose and does nothing for civil rights for gays.
IsisOsiris7 7 months ago
@IsisOsiris7 WELL YOUR ON YOUTUBE LOOK IT UP!
carmel350 7 months ago
@IsisOsiris7 WELL, YOU NEED TO LOOK UP OBAMA SUPPORTING "PLANNED PARENTHOOD". PLEASE CHECK IT OUT! ALSO, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS VIDEO "PLANNED PARENTHOOD DECLARES WAR ON SCIENCE".?
carmel350 7 months ago
@IsisOsiris7 DID YOU KNOW AT ONE TIME IN OUR GREAT LEGAL LAWS BLACKS HAD NO RIGHTS AND WERE CONCIDERED SAVAGES AND NOT HUMAN BEINGS....AREN'T WE HAPPY THGOSE LAWS CHANGED AND PEOPLE STARTED TO STAND UP FOR BLACK AMERICANS. AMAZING HOW GOOD THINGS CAN HAPPEN WHEN PEOPLE DON'T FOLLOW UNJUST LAWS!
carmel350 7 months ago
@IsisOsiris7 FOR ANYONE TO BELIEVE ABORTION IS OK, YOU DO REALIZE THAT OBAMA IS FOR INFANTICIDE, AND LEGAL ABORTION IS RIGHT UP UNTIL THE MINUTE THE BABY IS BORN? AND THAT'S OK WITH YOU?
carmel350 7 months ago
@carmel350 I don't know what infanticide you are babbling about. It is called abortion not infanticide. It is called this for a reason. Because it is abortion not infanticide.I support planned parenthood also. 2% of the 10s of thousands they help abort. The rest need family planning guidance. In certain circumstances for the mother's safety and survival, I feel late term abortion should be legal in such cases. So yes, if this is what you are raving about like a lunatic, i do agree with Obama
IsisOsiris7 7 months ago
@IsisOsiris7 WRONG!
carmel350 7 months ago
@IsisOsiris7 HERE GO WATCH THIS VIDEO IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND INFANTICIDE, "OBAMA &LIVE BIRTH ABORTION/INDUCED LABOR/INFANTICIDE"
carmel350 7 months ago
@IsisOsiris7 OK I dont care what you say killing is wrong because that what it is killing.I understand the rape thing maybe they can make a law for exception for that.but that still doesnt make it the childs fault and their other saulotion besides mudering like adoption but the main thing about abortion is it not the people who been raped it the unresponsible people who mainly doing it.The one who cheated on their husbands,didnt wanna ruin their jobs,the baby daddy a diffrent race ect
thehappyusagi 6 months ago
@IsisOsiris7 totally agree. Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion.
Miyavifangirl382 6 months ago
Pro-choice, is about making sure there is an option. It isn't about forcing people to get abortions. It is about keeping the option available for those who feel it is really necesary in their situation. Which means pro-choice allows every woman the right to choose for herself. The anti-abortionists, want to force all women to have babies. Where is the middle ground? One movement says you decide for yourself. The other says nono, you MUST be a mother no matter your situation.
IsisOsiris7 11 months ago
@faintstartlife Im a pro lifer and some of my best debates have been with my good friend Allie, a pro choicer. I can see both sides, I just dont relate to any pro choice standpoint. Now a real pro lifer is againsed war, abortion, and the death penalty. We are all entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, thats our constitutional right, and we strive to have that met on all accounts if your a real pro lifer.
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perfectbark 11 months ago
The fact that in your culture its not hip to love life says a lot. Death is cool, hate is cool. Love and life = bad. You are such a sheep n that regard. Its not cool so I just don't know! Do you even know what an individual thought is? Think for yourself. Who gives a damn what the people categorize you into. Speak truth, speak love. Or join the gray blob that is our careless dead in heart society. Your choice, I don't care.
SunnyLovetts 11 months ago
@SunnyLovetts
and the fact that in your culture where pedophelia committed by catholic clerics is pervasive, the embryo has better protection than living, breathing children.
perfectbark 11 months ago
@perfectbark So lets kill the unborn because the catholic priests are out to get the kiddies after they breathe? Nice logic, how old are you? Why can no one person I meet ever give a solid debate for ANYTHING. Using your logic, maybe you should kill yourself so that you don't get yourself molested by another humanbeing, ITS POSSIBLE! UT-OH!. Personally, I'd rather get molested then ripped to shreds by hard steel pliers. But truthfully, your statement made no sense and was quit idiotic.
SunnyLovetts 11 months ago
@SunnyLovetts
you'd rather get molested?? that's rational brainiac. What is is about you religious zealots that brings you to care more about non-viable embryos more than living, breathing children?
there are FAR, far many millions more spontaneous abortions than medically induced abortions genious. So why is your deity an abortionist?
what a prick your god must be to flush millions of embryos into the sewer every year??
perfectbark 11 months ago 2
@SunnyLovetts says:Personally, I'd rather get molested then ripped to shreds by hard steel pliers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Why do you dimwits think this is all about each of YOU??? Noone cares what YOU want!!
Sueezee1 11 months ago
@SunnyLovetts says: Why can no one person I meet ever give a solid debate for ANYTHING. Using your logic, maybe you should kill yourself
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LMFAO...you want a logical debate and then you suggest suicide? Your dumbass prolifers always give me a good laugh. Im posting that statement in the forum for ALL to see. lolol
Sueezee1 11 months ago
@Sueezee1 says="you suggest suicide..."
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Some people just don't understand how the pro-abortion mind works.
So let me explain it to them for you sue.
While ever doing any harm to themselves is "out of the question" for a pro-choicer ,,,it is just fine to murder a baby!
How' that sue?
ekajeht 11 months ago
@SunnyLovetts says:ripped to shreds by hard steel pliers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahaha steel pliers???? LMAO again
Sueezee1 11 months ago
@SunnyLovetts Or, here's a thought, rather than killing babies or fetuses to protect them from a few disgusting catholic priests, perhaps we should just not take our babies near priests? WOW! Problem solved and no one has to die! I know my baby will never be near a priest of any kind. I simply will not permit my child to be dumbed down by any religion until and unless they become interested in exploring that for themselves but they will be raised atheist.
IsisOsiris7 4 months ago
To ALL here who think killing a fetus is not murder, answer me this. Who here has not been a fetus. Are you saying at one point of your HUMAN LIFE you were not human? Would it be okay if you were murdered before you could experience life? WITHOUT EVEN A REMOTE PERSONAL CHOICE TO LIVE? You all got lucky, our sisters and brothers are dying each and every day people that you would grow to love and care for. People that would become miracles in other peoples lives People that would change everything
SunnyLovetts 11 months ago
@SunnyLovetts If i were to say i wanted to live then i would be a heartles selfish human being i have sinned in this life iv hurt gods creation (we all have) iv eaten animal flesh, countless innocent animals hav died so that i may live off their flesh if my mother choice to not have me i could respect that choice and love her all the more for sparing me this guilt of life but she choice to keep me and i can enjoy and appresiate that life she gave u must understand dont u?
PurpleHelmetWarior69 10 months ago
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"It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive...It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception."
Professor Micheline Matthews-Roth
Harvard University Medical
Professor of Pediatrics and Obstetrics, University of Penn
"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being. [It] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion...it is plain experimental evidence. Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception
teton99 1 year ago
@teton99 You either live in a cave or you're 7 yrs old...if we dont DOUBLE our food production by 2050 then we will have crisis...
you and your replacement nonsense. Read some more
Kuba77 1 year ago
I love your voice!!!!!
sorrypapawxz 1 year ago
whore.
donniedarko66699 1 year ago
Not having an abortion doesn't mean that you have to raise it. There are many people that want to adopt babies and children.
fishandpop 1 year ago
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@fishandpop says:There are many people that want to adopt babies and children.
~~~~~~~~ then tell them to go adopt the 250,000 that are up for adoption today in the US alone! Tell them to get the 300 that are LIVING in NY hospitals because there are no adopters....let alone the number on other hospitals around the world.! Tell them to go adopt the the million upon million of strreet kids in foreign countries that eat of garbage dumps & have NO ONE!!. idiot.
Sueezee1 1 year ago