its a backing track but it has been switched up a key in error... good chance they dident hear it through the monitors at first as they mightened have gotten that mix.
@ 3:47 was the first note that Eddie got right [almost in tune]--at the end of the keyboard solo (and may have been the last). Lol! When he came back in, he continued slaughtering an elephant to the very end.
You can see that Eddie is aware that something is wrong at about 1:05 but he is only able to adjust so much..he does improve it finally but its still no so good.
according to sammys book......the keyboard part is tape...ie its pre recorded....that means if anyone screwed up it would be eddie not the tapes fault.
The first time I saw Eddie and the band they were fantastic. The second time they were awful - so bad I left early because I couldn't bear to hear them make fools of themselves any longer. Eddie and Sammy were completely wasted and put on a terrible show. Whether it was a sound man's screw-up or not it doesn't appear Eddie was phased by the situation. The life of a rock band on the road playing the same songs venue after venue can lead to a "I don't give a crap" attitude. Screw the fans.
The keyboards seems not to be in the wrong pitch and if they were a pro musician should be able to hear the pitch pretty quickly and play the guitar parts in that key.Yep, the guitar sound out of tune but it's hard to believe that it would be so out of tune to sound like this, then almost every string should have to be in a random and different key which would be very amateur.The only thing that is totally out of tune in this song is Eddie's playing,you can hear it especially in the solo,
well You can play in a different key by just moving everything up or down to the corret key. You don;t need t capo or retune. I think he's blitzed and has no idea he sounds so bad. He seems to thing everything is fine
@LilHouseStudios yes, Eddie should be able to do that. How do you not at least hear how awful it sounds and fake it and move up a fret. Capo or not. None of the song is really played in first position anyway.
Read Sammy Hagars book... could Eddie possibly get more wasted??? What an idiot! So what if the song is in a different key, you can adjust and play it in a different key on guitar, and if the guitar is out of tune, the tech gives you a different one thats IN tune... please... I would have rushed the stage and JUMPED Eddie and knocked his lights out! What a loser, and waste of talent.
this happened because they recorded the keyboards to a CD track and they were recording the show and had the master clock set to 48kHz a second but the redbook standard on a CD is 16 bit and 44.1kHz a second so when the keys started playing they were in between a half step and a full step higher in pitch than the recording and the rest of the instruments. You can't stop playing during your encore so they stuck it out like champs. I bet the sound guy was fired after this
HAHA, keyboards at the wrong pitch, eddie's guitar is off tuning with that, but it's the first time in the history of Van Halen David Lee Roth was in pitch! lol
HILARIOUS!! Not the screw up, but your comments ("awful noise ensues...there is no fixing this!"). OMG...I laughed NON-STOP for 10 minutes, straight!!!
Eddie uses a Floyd Rose, so he's pretty much locked into whatever tuning he's in for the whole song (and set). Like true showmen, they stuck it out. I'm sure someone got a chewing, afterward...either the guitar tech (responsible for guitar tuning) or the keyboard tech. God, I'm still laughing. Even guitar gods are mortal. ;-)
The keyboard part wouldn't be playing at the wrong pitch, all those backing tracks are digital. There's no tape speed or variation to contend with. His guitar is out of tune, whether its his fault or his roadies. He should've taken a few seconds to tune or switch guitars, instead of playing a half-step out for five minutes. The bass doesn't sound out of tune, it's only Ed.
THE WHOLE GUITAR SOUNDS "SICK" OR SOMETHING LIKE ITS TUNED TO DADGAD OR SOMETHING, BUT LOOK AT THE OVATION THEY STILL GOT LOL..PROBABLY BETTER THAN IF THEY DID IT RIGHT
One more thing, for all the Roth haters. Enough already. Yeah, Sammy did a great job but Roth helped get this band out of the Pasadena back yard parties and into the spot light. A little respect please. The 70s were not the 80s and the 80s were not the 90s. Roth did his thing better than any other. As did Sammy.
I can be hard to transpose the key a song is being played in on the fly. Eddie is caught in a terrible situation as a player here. The backing track is probably a half step higher than his guitar tuning or the intended key. Due to portions of the song being played on open strings, he cant fix it on the fly. The keyboard part is pre-recorded so there is no stoping that either. Also, depending on the monitor mix, Eddie might not hear any of it. Pretty sure he knows this song.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For all those kids who want to be a big guitar hero this is a text book example why you shouldn't drink like Eddie. Come on people, you can't deny that Eddie was to fucked up to play. Come on...really? Mt personal note to Ed: If you sober up like I did, you will find that things you do will be better. Things like; Having a good marriage and if you play guitar that will be better too?
and just think,if you paid $100 or so you could have seen this in person.they sounded bad when i seen them but yet the crowd cheered on so it seems it doesnt really matter what they sound like....just so daves back.
Eddie's playing in C, song is played in C#. How could he not hear that? For god sakes grab the right guitar, but he plays the entire song in C? Where's his guitar tech? Eddie's dancing around like everything is cool, sip sip.. The guitar tech should've handled it, Your FN Fired!
fucking pathetic ... so the old guy who looks and acts like a tv evangelist can swirl a stick, but yet he sings like a vegas lounge singer. SCREW YOU Eddie, and what you did to Michael Anthony.
As a keyboardist with perfect pitch I can tell you guys who say Ed's out of tune that they KEYBOARDS are "out of tune".
Apparently the sampling rate was screwed up by the sound guys. Ed's actually trying to compensate when it sounds like he's "drunk" as some fools are saying. When a piano I play on is terribly out of tune I tend to mess up more often because I want to fix the damn thing.
@MinkMaster8808 Your theory does not hold water. First the backing tracks were recorded on pro-tools. Pro-tools plays back at the same sample rate by default. Second, you can sync up this performance with two other performances from this tour and the keys are all playing at the same pitch and speed. Third the bass guitar when Wolfgang actually plays is in tune. 4th in subsequent performances of Jump from this tour, EVH changes to his old frankenstrat as it is tuned to play with the keys
@neechee5150 All I'm saying is I'm comparing the ALBUM song with the live and the keyboards, to my ears, are different. I have perfect pitch and hope you know what that is :/
@MinkMaster8808 ...The theory that you say is mine is not mine actually, but having keyboards out of tune is nothing to do with the bass guitar- I never said anything about the bass guitar :P
Maybe they don't like their original key on the album, then I'd be totally wrong I admit.
I would keep the original key, but that's just me.
@MinkMaster8808 VH has played Jump in C# in stead of C for decades. Yes I know what perfect pitch is, but that does not change the fact that your conclusions are wrong. You can listen to and sync up performances with Hagar, Cherone and Roth of Jump and the keys are all playing at the same speed and the same pitch.
You also fail to explain if this is a keyboard sampling problem, how is it that Wolfie when he plays is intune with the backing tracks. Conclusion-EVH has the wrong guitar.
@MinkMaster8808 Google Lonnie Totman and read what he has to say. Try the experiment for yourself. You posted your position and claimed to know what the problem was. You claimed to know this due to your allegedly having perfrect pitch. However, there are variables you did not even consider and as a result you drew the wrong conclusion. If Wolfie's bass is intune with the keys-which it is when he actually plays, your theory falls apart.
@MinkMaster8808 "As a keyboardist with perfect pitch I can tell you guys who say Ed's out of tune that they KEYBOARDS are "out of tune" You made a claim and portrayed yourself as being an authority. There is big difference between the keys playing in a different key and being "out of tune" . They keyboard was intune with itself when the tracks were recorded. Anyone who has listened to VH play jump in the last two decades know that live it is most always done in C sharp.
@MinkMaster8808 Cont-the key tracks do not have to play at the same pitch and key of the orignal recording to be "in tune". The only thing that matters is that all the instruments are in tune with themselves such that everyone can and is playing in the same key which Ed was not.
Clayton Janes is wrong. Lonnie Tottman nailed this one down.
Play this VH jump peformances with 2 more from this tour & sync them up to play simultaneously and Janes theory falls completley apart.
@MinkMaster8808 "As a keyboardist with perfect pitch I can tell you guys who say Ed's out of tune that they KEYBOARDS are "out of tune"
You are better at backtracking than you are at making a cogent argument and examing all the facts. If two performances from this tour have keyboards playing back at the same speed and pitch as this jump debacle & if Wolfie's bass is in tune with the keys during this performance of Jump(it is) then both you & Janes are wrong-perfect pitch or not.
@neechee5150 Well I couldn't "examing" the facts because I was busy LIVING MY LIFE. You know, going outside, reading a book, meeting people.
And btw "perfect pitch or not" that's kinda rude because you just asked me to USE that very skill. Brainiac. I'm backtracking because you can't fucking read what I wrote.
Are you insane? "Dave is spot on..." I don't know what video you were watching but that performance was a total joke. I think Roth is a wonderful showman but when it comes to actually performing the songs he wrote himself, he has a different version everytime he sings the song. Not only is that frustrating to sing along to but it makes it seems like he can perform any place and anywhere and just create material on the spot with a disregard for the songs everyone has come to know and love...uggg!
Four "professional" musicians on stage and not one stops the set and says "Hey Guys, Eddie's a lil gunned again, as per usual" What say we do a talkie break and get him a guitar that's in tune and / or turn him off and that off-stage musician we hired for just such an occasion and go from start and not sound his bad in the era of youtube... LMFAO .. Hilarious!
@MyChannelSucks73 Thankfully at the end the kid with the bass is like "I'm still employed!" And Eddie is still "I'm so drunk I can't hear anything!" and there's a huge inflatable mic being thrown .. That's rock n roll, friends ..
Van Halen is truly dead. Now they're just this dysfunctional mess. The guy has a fucking state-of-the-art studio behind his house and his brother lives 2 miles away, yet they can't get a record out in 13 years? This shit is OVER and has been since Ed Leffler died.
@777zippy777 Glad to see more people who understand how crucial Ed Leffler was in managing VH and keeping things together. When Ed Leffler passed away, there was nothing to keep the VH bros in check and the results are obvious.
@neechee5150 True that. I recall Ed in '96 saying if they would have taken Roth out on tour without putting out a record first and doing a nostalgia tour, it would've been "ripping off the fans". Well, what did they do 11 years later? Exactly that. No new record and a nostalgia tour which was just a big bullshit ripoff.
The problem is Eddie and his demons, which is a shame, because he's probably going to be dead by 2025 from all those years of drinking and smoking.
@777zippy777 exactly! I love this band but I can't stand to see what happened to them anymore. Even the 04 tour with Hagar Eddie was so fucked up yet he has made almost no new music.
@golfmanmatt Yeah, it's pretty bad. Eddie was all excited about a new riff he'd come up with at his 2003 NAMM appearance. It was the same riff he played in that episode of "two & a half men" from September 2009. Nice to know that he came up with one riff in about 10 years. The new VH album should hit stores sometime in 2065!
@777zippy777 Glad to see more people who understand how crucial Ed Leffler was in managing VH and keeping things together. When Ed Leffler passed away, there was nothing to keep the VH bros in check and the results are obvious.
This tour was a money making sham and an embarassment to the band and every person who has been a member of VH through the years.
Three lead singer changes, and the constant throughout these problems-EVH. That is the real story behind the lead singer problems
the whole band was in tune except eddie.. i can't believe he just fuckin played through that way and no one ran out and gave him a guitar that was tuned properly. HOW DID HE NOT HEAR THAT? he was WAY out across the fretboard .. not just in the wrong key... don't you people have ears?
It makes me laugh, the fact that they carry (guitar out of tune Btw bass in tune with synth) Dave obviously thinks to himself
"Their not misssing my stick twirly thing an me riding that infaltable SM58!! these people have paid to see ME!!) all comes as bit desparate. but then thats VH for you ( and I quite like them too ) still is good to know musicians as Pro as this sometimes "spin off" too!
Who says you can't stop and tune up? It's better than listening to three minutes of a train wreck!! I'll bet whoever originated the phrase "you can't stop the show" was probably some business guy who was NOT a performer.
DLR sounds like a bad nostalgia act. Can't hit the notes, needs to mispronounce syllables in order to sing them, or skip them all together. Not a hater here, just callin it like i see it.
Eddie plays guitar. The roadies tune the guitar. He is doing his job no matter what happens. Keyboard fuck! And the keyboarder is not able to check it, thats why these groups dont play togehter any more, they are just puppets on the drug lane, I saw Van Halen on Pink Pop in Holland in 1972 and I loved it
Keyboards are fine, Eddie is drunk and and can't hear the crap he is playing. he should have changed guitars for one that was in tune. Duh !!!! Dave looked like the pro, singing to the keyboard part which was spot on and not listening to the abortion on the stage next to him.
What a dunk buffoon. All the "he picked up the wrong guitar" and "the keyboard track was off key" comments are horseshit. If you're a professional, and certainly a one-time prodigy like EVH, you just move up one fret and BOOM you're in the correct key and kicking ass. Unless you're too drunk to even know where you are.
People here don't get it! Van Halen has been playing Jump in Db/C# since at least the early 90s. Eddie tunes to Eb and playings the "D" position and then "C minor" for the solo which in turn is in Bm. The keyboard is fine, Eddie's guitar is just out of tune. It's not even a perfect half step flat, it's just all out of whack as it was a lot on this tour. Listen to other clips of Aint Talkin bout Love and such, he's out of tune. Maybe he can't hear too well anymore.
This sounds like the difference was what sample rate the keys were playing back at. If it's a different sample rate it will play back at a different pitch and a little bit faster or slower. Regardless it sounds awful no matter what the issue was.
CENSORSHIP ALERT... It's interesting to see that my reply got pushed back all the way to the replies from two months ago, although it has thirteen thumbs up and had been up there with the best two replies before. I was kinda wondering why I didn't get any e-mails about my reply to this video anymore... What's up with that? Is somebody censoring replies here? Weird... This may very well be a fake video from a Van Halen hater after all then...
i paid for a ticket in ohio ,i was like damn i got ripped ,others were saying ,wasnt that great .no it sucked if they were great in the 80s they wont be great now .
Yeah, he's totally out of tune...but why didn't someone fix it? Why didn't the FOH engineer mute him or why didn't a guitar tech bring him another guitar. Despite how it happened...Eddie himself should have heard it and at least stopped playing. Geez that's awful!!
Almost every other VH song is tuned down 1/2 step . Ed has a few guitars tuned to standard for Jump + I'll wait . The rest are all tuned E flat . He simply grabbed the wrong guitar ...
@KillerGuitar70 Yes, but you wrote mHz (millihertz), that's all... 440 Hz means 440 vibrations per second. That produces the "a" pitch. It's the harmonic over the fifth fret of the fifth string. Most pitch forks produce that pitch for reference, although one can also buy pitch forks that produce an "e"...
@born2groove422 well aren't you a clever human . What a meager existance you must lead if you took the time to grace me with such a moronic comment . If you spent as much time playing your guitar as you do insulting perfect strangers , you too could have someone to whipe your ass for you , but hey you probably already do : your Mom . Say Hi for me . She's awesome .
Can't any of you tell that the guitar is completely out of tune ??? Edward was hitting the headstock against the stage prior to this song. FACT. The tech didn't give Edward a new guitar because he never goes on the stage and Edward didn't want a new guitar. The tech is still employed by Ed. That should tell you what you need to know right there.
Can't any of you tell that the guitar is completely out of tune ??? Edward was hitting the headstock against the stage prior to this song. FACT. It is not a question of semitones or moving his hand up a fret. The tech didn't give Edward a new guitar because he never goes on the stage and Edward didn't want a new guitar. The tech is still employed by Ed. That should tell you what you need to know right there.
Before this song, Eddie was slamming the neck of his guitar into the stage . He caused the guitar to go out of tune. The guitar tech wasn't fired. Ask Matt Bruck.The keyboards were in the proper key. Dave did a fine job.
@poserboy71 Yes the guitar is out of tune, but even if EVH's prototype Wolfgang is out of tune due to the neck being slammed into the stage, EVH still has to change to a guitar tuned for the keys inorder to play jump and I'ill wait. Ed should have went over and got his open E tuned guitar, but instead he is trying to play jump with his open E flat tuned guitar.
The sad part is that Ed could have easily changed guitars in this song as the keys form the real core of the song
Why Are People Hating Against Van Halen Here??? All That Happened Was The Guitar Tech Gave Eddie The Wrong Guitar!!! It's Not Eddie's Fault Or Van Halen's Fault!!! It's A Mistake The Guitar Tech Made!!! Maybe When You're Famou
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born2grooveu 1 day ago
yeah, it's Ed
JohnnyHallProduction 2 days ago
"The keyboard plays back at the wrong pitch"
Umm No.
That's a sequence. Someone would have to hit and hold a transposition wheel or stick...
This is Ed Drunkass fucking up.
His guitar is HORRIBLY flat.
ROOKTABULA 3 days ago
its a backing track but it has been switched up a key in error... good chance they dident hear it through the monitors at first as they mightened have gotten that mix.
buddyrichforever 3 days ago
wow.
schwartzkm 1 week ago
@ 3:47 was the first note that Eddie got right [almost in tune]--at the end of the keyboard solo (and may have been the last). Lol! When he came back in, he continued slaughtering an elephant to the very end.
sprayarm 2 weeks ago
Why dont they stop? Too drunk to hear the pitch?
bogse 2 weeks ago
What a load of fucking shit!
ChasWilson1 3 weeks ago
Holy Shit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MrRogelan 3 weeks ago
Might as well transpose Eddie.
WTFremixer 4 weeks ago
You can see that Eddie is aware that something is wrong at about 1:05 but he is only able to adjust so much..he does improve it finally but its still no so good.
basenjib123 1 month ago
hahaha terrible....
poralentierno 1 month ago
What is really going on here?? It sounds terrible obviously but whats the problem. Why are they all off and then keep going??
youtoober808 1 month ago
thank God Ed is sober now.
robertcool160 1 month ago
but i aint gunna lie this is pretty fucking terrible
activelyactive 1 month ago
hey ya know technical difficulties happen to the best of em. gotta give it up to the band for playing through that like real professionals.
activelyactive 1 month ago
im dead
milosniczkaogorkow 1 month ago
lol, fuck! why didnt he just move up or down to the key of the synthesizer.. i cant keep a straight face while watching this!
jacksonshredder123 2 months ago
flawless! lol
wowororo 2 months ago
according to sammys book......the keyboard part is tape...ie its pre recorded....that means if anyone screwed up it would be eddie not the tapes fault.
glennjridge 2 months ago
The first time I saw Eddie and the band they were fantastic. The second time they were awful - so bad I left early because I couldn't bear to hear them make fools of themselves any longer. Eddie and Sammy were completely wasted and put on a terrible show. Whether it was a sound man's screw-up or not it doesn't appear Eddie was phased by the situation. The life of a rock band on the road playing the same songs venue after venue can lead to a "I don't give a crap" attitude. Screw the fans.
10AWarthog1 2 months ago
The keyboards seems not to be in the wrong pitch and if they were a pro musician should be able to hear the pitch pretty quickly and play the guitar parts in that key.Yep, the guitar sound out of tune but it's hard to believe that it would be so out of tune to sound like this, then almost every string should have to be in a random and different key which would be very amateur.The only thing that is totally out of tune in this song is Eddie's playing,you can hear it especially in the solo,
MyMik76 2 months ago
@MyMik76 Playing in a different key on a guitar means that you would have to either tune down or capo because the open notes wouldn't match
LilHouseStudios 1 month ago
well You can play in a different key by just moving everything up or down to the corret key. You don;t need t capo or retune. I think he's blitzed and has no idea he sounds so bad. He seems to thing everything is fine
Walkoffhomerun1 1 month ago
@LilHouseStudios In this case the song is in C but the keyboard is a halfstep up (C#) he could fix everything moving one fret up... not hard at all.
memotivas 1 month ago
@LilHouseStudios yes, Eddie should be able to do that. How do you not at least hear how awful it sounds and fake it and move up a fret. Capo or not. None of the song is really played in first position anyway.
WTFremixer 4 weeks ago
Read Sammy Hagars book... could Eddie possibly get more wasted??? What an idiot! So what if the song is in a different key, you can adjust and play it in a different key on guitar, and if the guitar is out of tune, the tech gives you a different one thats IN tune... please... I would have rushed the stage and JUMPED Eddie and knocked his lights out! What a loser, and waste of talent.
wretchedvonkrank 2 months ago
if eddie used his brain all he can do is bend each note slightly when he plays, or just depress the whammy bar and hold it there.
joesatriani1200rulez 2 months ago
lol! this is the worst thing ever!
DieSuperHigh 2 months ago
this happened because they recorded the keyboards to a CD track and they were recording the show and had the master clock set to 48kHz a second but the redbook standard on a CD is 16 bit and 44.1kHz a second so when the keys started playing they were in between a half step and a full step higher in pitch than the recording and the rest of the instruments. You can't stop playing during your encore so they stuck it out like champs. I bet the sound guy was fired after this
fhiuadshfiudshfgiads 3 months ago
HAHA, keyboards at the wrong pitch, eddie's guitar is off tuning with that, but it's the first time in the history of Van Halen David Lee Roth was in pitch! lol
muddhole777 3 months ago
HILARIOUS!! Not the screw up, but your comments ("awful noise ensues...there is no fixing this!"). OMG...I laughed NON-STOP for 10 minutes, straight!!!
Eddie uses a Floyd Rose, so he's pretty much locked into whatever tuning he's in for the whole song (and set). Like true showmen, they stuck it out. I'm sure someone got a chewing, afterward...either the guitar tech (responsible for guitar tuning) or the keyboard tech. God, I'm still laughing. Even guitar gods are mortal. ;-)
Thanks for sharing
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flawless performance! lmao
wowororo 3 months ago
The keyboard part wouldn't be playing at the wrong pitch, all those backing tracks are digital. There's no tape speed or variation to contend with. His guitar is out of tune, whether its his fault or his roadies. He should've taken a few seconds to tune or switch guitars, instead of playing a half-step out for five minutes. The bass doesn't sound out of tune, it's only Ed.
theclickbeetles 3 months ago
@theclickbeetles The keys in this are a half step or two high.
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lmao
wowororo 3 months ago
THE WHOLE GUITAR SOUNDS "SICK" OR SOMETHING LIKE ITS TUNED TO DADGAD OR SOMETHING, BUT LOOK AT THE OVATION THEY STILL GOT LOL..PROBABLY BETTER THAN IF THEY DID IT RIGHT
scottfree6 3 months ago
One more thing, for all the Roth haters. Enough already. Yeah, Sammy did a great job but Roth helped get this band out of the Pasadena back yard parties and into the spot light. A little respect please. The 70s were not the 80s and the 80s were not the 90s. Roth did his thing better than any other. As did Sammy.
ThePacemakerman 3 months ago in playlist Van Halen
I can be hard to transpose the key a song is being played in on the fly. Eddie is caught in a terrible situation as a player here. The backing track is probably a half step higher than his guitar tuning or the intended key. Due to portions of the song being played on open strings, he cant fix it on the fly. The keyboard part is pre-recorded so there is no stoping that either. Also, depending on the monitor mix, Eddie might not hear any of it. Pretty sure he knows this song.
ThePacemakerman 3 months ago
Ear drums popping.
Does Roth know how to hit a note?
How about Eddie?
Talentless drunken slobs!
Disgraceful!
codethis 3 months ago
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codethis 3 months ago
Roth is a joke. He walks and sings like and old man. Sammy kicked his ass.
dadicesare 4 months ago 2
@EncryptedGod that wasn't eddie's fault
flashback917 4 months ago
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For all those kids who want to be a big guitar hero this is a text book example why you shouldn't drink like Eddie. Come on people, you can't deny that Eddie was to fucked up to play. Come on...really? Mt personal note to Ed: If you sober up like I did, you will find that things you do will be better. Things like; Having a good marriage and if you play guitar that will be better too?
EncryptedGod 4 months ago
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EncryptedGod 4 months ago
and just think,if you paid $100 or so you could have seen this in person.they sounded bad when i seen them but yet the crowd cheered on so it seems it doesnt really matter what they sound like....just so daves back.
Pat9201 4 months ago
Lol! What a train wreck! I've never heard a major act screw anything up this badly. My cat just jumped out the window.
creepshowcrate 4 months ago
o.k just leave the band alone if you dont like it dont listen to them simple
nigelabraham1 4 months ago
i could not listen to much of this...they are at the mercy of the backing track..easy enough to play in that key. wonder why they didn't?
misspellt 4 months ago
it sounds like eddie is a half step down and the keys are right on someone gave him the wrong guitar before the tune
juicemanrocks 4 months ago
eddie sucks now sorry, there are soo many better modern players
MrConassassin 4 months ago
lol they sound like a garage band...hahahal live.
PainlessTragedy 4 months ago
Van Halen is a Screw Up
giggabyt78 4 months ago
Eddie's playing in C, song is played in C#. How could he not hear that? For god sakes grab the right guitar, but he plays the entire song in C? Where's his guitar tech? Eddie's dancing around like everything is cool, sip sip.. The guitar tech should've handled it, Your FN Fired!
swalter70 4 months ago
The real screwup starts at 4:12.......... Gay-Halen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Didn't Eddie and Al say something like, "to go on tour with Dave would be a ripoff to the fans" or something like that. There is your proof.
golfmanmatt 4 months ago
The guitar is fucked up--not the keyboards!
Gregsynthbootlegs 4 months ago
fucking pathetic ... so the old guy who looks and acts like a tv evangelist can swirl a stick, but yet he sings like a vegas lounge singer. SCREW YOU Eddie, and what you did to Michael Anthony.
scroodat 4 months ago
As a keyboardist with perfect pitch I can tell you guys who say Ed's out of tune that they KEYBOARDS are "out of tune".
Apparently the sampling rate was screwed up by the sound guys. Ed's actually trying to compensate when it sounds like he's "drunk" as some fools are saying. When a piano I play on is terribly out of tune I tend to mess up more often because I want to fix the damn thing.
MinkMaster8808 4 months ago
@MinkMaster8808 the* keyboards. Sigh.
MinkMaster8808 4 months ago
@MinkMaster8808 Your theory does not hold water. First the backing tracks were recorded on pro-tools. Pro-tools plays back at the same sample rate by default. Second, you can sync up this performance with two other performances from this tour and the keys are all playing at the same pitch and speed. Third the bass guitar when Wolfgang actually plays is in tune. 4th in subsequent performances of Jump from this tour, EVH changes to his old frankenstrat as it is tuned to play with the keys
neechee5150 4 months ago
@neechee5150 All I'm saying is I'm comparing the ALBUM song with the live and the keyboards, to my ears, are different. I have perfect pitch and hope you know what that is :/
MinkMaster8808 4 months ago
@MinkMaster8808 ...The theory that you say is mine is not mine actually, but having keyboards out of tune is nothing to do with the bass guitar- I never said anything about the bass guitar :P
Maybe they don't like their original key on the album, then I'd be totally wrong I admit.
I would keep the original key, but that's just me.
MinkMaster8808 4 months ago
@MinkMaster8808 VH has played Jump in C# in stead of C for decades. Yes I know what perfect pitch is, but that does not change the fact that your conclusions are wrong. You can listen to and sync up performances with Hagar, Cherone and Roth of Jump and the keys are all playing at the same speed and the same pitch.
You also fail to explain if this is a keyboard sampling problem, how is it that Wolfie when he plays is intune with the backing tracks. Conclusion-EVH has the wrong guitar.
neechee5150 4 months ago
@neechee5150 Whatever dude believe what you want. Geez some people take things too seriously in comments sometimes :/ That's why I rarely comment...
MinkMaster8808 4 months ago
@MinkMaster8808 Google Lonnie Totman and read what he has to say. Try the experiment for yourself. You posted your position and claimed to know what the problem was. You claimed to know this due to your allegedly having perfrect pitch. However, there are variables you did not even consider and as a result you drew the wrong conclusion. If Wolfie's bass is intune with the keys-which it is when he actually plays, your theory falls apart.
neechee5150 4 months ago
@neechee5150
Uh, once again it's NOT MY theory; I've said that before!
Google "clayton janes van halen jump".
Read Clayton Janes' explanation. Genius.
I'm not going to have an argument with someone who can't read what I really commented. Later!
MinkMaster8808 4 months ago
@MinkMaster8808 "As a keyboardist with perfect pitch I can tell you guys who say Ed's out of tune that they KEYBOARDS are "out of tune" You made a claim and portrayed yourself as being an authority. There is big difference between the keys playing in a different key and being "out of tune" . They keyboard was intune with itself when the tracks were recorded. Anyone who has listened to VH play jump in the last two decades know that live it is most always done in C sharp.
neechee5150 4 months ago
@MinkMaster8808 Cont-the key tracks do not have to play at the same pitch and key of the orignal recording to be "in tune". The only thing that matters is that all the instruments are in tune with themselves such that everyone can and is playing in the same key which Ed was not.
Clayton Janes is wrong. Lonnie Tottman nailed this one down.
Play this VH jump peformances with 2 more from this tour & sync them up to play simultaneously and Janes theory falls completley apart.
neechee5150 4 months ago
@MinkMaster8808 "As a keyboardist with perfect pitch I can tell you guys who say Ed's out of tune that they KEYBOARDS are "out of tune"
You are better at backtracking than you are at making a cogent argument and examing all the facts. If two performances from this tour have keyboards playing back at the same speed and pitch as this jump debacle & if Wolfie's bass is in tune with the keys during this performance of Jump(it is) then both you & Janes are wrong-perfect pitch or not.
neechee5150 4 months ago
@neechee5150 Well I couldn't "examing" the facts because I was busy LIVING MY LIFE. You know, going outside, reading a book, meeting people.
And btw "perfect pitch or not" that's kinda rude because you just asked me to USE that very skill. Brainiac. I'm backtracking because you can't fucking read what I wrote.
MinkMaster8808 4 months ago
@MinkMaster8808 you..read books? why not just play an instroment.
TheOzzySabbath 4 months ago
@TheOzzySabbath I forgot to include that lol
MinkMaster8808 4 months ago
@neechee5150 I'll end this now by saying you are right- the two videos do appear as you say.
I'm not as huge a fan and didn't realize that they played in a different scale in concert; kinda weird, IMO but whatever.
MinkMaster8808 4 months ago
Is this for real? Oh, my gosh...this is absolutely terrible! Who the hell would pay to see this bizarre and lame performance?
theepolishprince 4 months ago
Ed's out of tune guys. Drunk retard
sonicfuker 5 months ago
who is he fooling? c'mon wtf. fucking tool.
e3zer0 5 months ago
Thumbs up if you thought the swirling of the stick was badass!
HiddenEvidence1992 5 months ago
Dave is spot on and that is considerably hard to do especially when your guitar-player is far out of tune .
lipeguitars 5 months ago
Are you insane? "Dave is spot on..." I don't know what video you were watching but that performance was a total joke. I think Roth is a wonderful showman but when it comes to actually performing the songs he wrote himself, he has a different version everytime he sings the song. Not only is that frustrating to sing along to but it makes it seems like he can perform any place and anywhere and just create material on the spot with a disregard for the songs everyone has come to know and love...uggg!
theepolishprince 4 months ago
Four "professional" musicians on stage and not one stops the set and says "Hey Guys, Eddie's a lil gunned again, as per usual" What say we do a talkie break and get him a guitar that's in tune and / or turn him off and that off-stage musician we hired for just such an occasion and go from start and not sound his bad in the era of youtube... LMFAO .. Hilarious!
MyChannelSucks73 5 months ago
@MyChannelSucks73 Thankfully at the end the kid with the bass is like "I'm still employed!" And Eddie is still "I'm so drunk I can't hear anything!" and there's a huge inflatable mic being thrown .. That's rock n roll, friends ..
MyChannelSucks73 5 months ago
You have to give V.H. an A for being pros! They played on and made the best of a bad spot!
wadescat5150 5 months ago
just shows how much he doesnt care if he didnt tune the guitar
horrormovies88 5 months ago
What a sad mess.
TuffMedicine 5 months ago
wtf....Eddie must be drunk
gottajamm 5 months ago
Van Halen is truly dead. Now they're just this dysfunctional mess. The guy has a fucking state-of-the-art studio behind his house and his brother lives 2 miles away, yet they can't get a record out in 13 years? This shit is OVER and has been since Ed Leffler died.
777zippy777 5 months ago
@777zippy777 Glad to see more people who understand how crucial Ed Leffler was in managing VH and keeping things together. When Ed Leffler passed away, there was nothing to keep the VH bros in check and the results are obvious.
neechee5150 5 months ago
@neechee5150 True that. I recall Ed in '96 saying if they would have taken Roth out on tour without putting out a record first and doing a nostalgia tour, it would've been "ripping off the fans". Well, what did they do 11 years later? Exactly that. No new record and a nostalgia tour which was just a big bullshit ripoff.
The problem is Eddie and his demons, which is a shame, because he's probably going to be dead by 2025 from all those years of drinking and smoking.
777zippy777 5 months ago
@777zippy777 exactly! I love this band but I can't stand to see what happened to them anymore. Even the 04 tour with Hagar Eddie was so fucked up yet he has made almost no new music.
golfmanmatt 5 months ago
@golfmanmatt Yeah, it's pretty bad. Eddie was all excited about a new riff he'd come up with at his 2003 NAMM appearance. It was the same riff he played in that episode of "two & a half men" from September 2009. Nice to know that he came up with one riff in about 10 years. The new VH album should hit stores sometime in 2065!
777zippy777 5 months ago
@777zippy777 Glad to see more people who understand how crucial Ed Leffler was in managing VH and keeping things together. When Ed Leffler passed away, there was nothing to keep the VH bros in check and the results are obvious.
This tour was a money making sham and an embarassment to the band and every person who has been a member of VH through the years.
Three lead singer changes, and the constant throughout these problems-EVH. That is the real story behind the lead singer problems
neechee5150 5 months ago
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DanteCubit3000 5 months ago
The keyboard is fine. Eddie's guitar is out of tune. Maybe a sober guitarist would have noticed.
DanteCubit3000 5 months ago
people LISTEN!!!!! its eddie out of tune THATS IT!!!! he's Drunk and cant even hear his guitar
fasteddie925 5 months ago
Maybe its because that he throwed the speaker on the sound man. And then the sound man wants a revenge...?
adamtheboyfromdenmar 5 months ago
the whole band was in tune except eddie.. i can't believe he just fuckin played through that way and no one ran out and gave him a guitar that was tuned properly. HOW DID HE NOT HEAR THAT? he was WAY out across the fretboard .. not just in the wrong key... don't you people have ears?
ecstasteve 5 months ago
It makes me laugh, the fact that they carry (guitar out of tune Btw bass in tune with synth) Dave obviously thinks to himself
"Their not misssing my stick twirly thing an me riding that infaltable SM58!! these people have paid to see ME!!) all comes as bit desparate. but then thats VH for you ( and I quite like them too ) still is good to know musicians as Pro as this sometimes "spin off" too!
witterth 5 months ago
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witterth 5 months ago
can someone fix roths pitch ?
mojodubb88 6 months ago
LMAO. Almost sounds like somebody triggered "Dreams." LMAO. Roth doesn't know that one.
Brianndlo4 6 months ago
wtf
bigdaddy496 6 months ago
mistakes, sound problem well always be there when play live, it live and raw
eugvh18 6 months ago
...just move up one fret?
maxinator96 6 months ago 2
@maxinator96 nope, tuned a quarter step off sounds like
jamesedwardtheobald 3 months ago
Who says you can't stop and tune up? It's better than listening to three minutes of a train wreck!! I'll bet whoever originated the phrase "you can't stop the show" was probably some business guy who was NOT a performer.
casestudyification 6 months ago
Good GOD . . .
thebakerman1 6 months ago
WOW. Why does DLR sound so bad? It ALL sounds bad. What is this shit??
TecmoBO34 6 months ago
@TecmoBO34 he sounds tired, I guess even being a superstar can get boring after a while.
movadoband 5 months ago
It's not a fuckin big deal... Stop the song, sort it out, and start the song again...
drejaramone 6 months ago 9
@drejaramone you can't stop at the show
RockoParker 6 months ago
LMFAO!!!!! I LUV U THOUGH
g14ub3n 6 months ago
Lets raise money for a time machine so we can go back to the 80s and see Van Halen when they were actually good.
ultrachasersfan 6 months ago in playlist Van Halen 2010
What the hell was wrong with eddies hearing ? Why didn't a roady just come out and hand him a tuned guitar? I agree, D.L.Roth did a great job!
storminthedistance 6 months ago
oh my god i feel embarsed just watching this
eddievanhalen1983 6 months ago
@eddievanhalen1983 don't be man, ever been to a live show that close? everything is so godamn loud you can't hear shit!
felphero 6 months ago
DLR sounds like a bad nostalgia act. Can't hit the notes, needs to mispronounce syllables in order to sing them, or skip them all together. Not a hater here, just callin it like i see it.
juiceman1965 6 months ago
Eddie plays guitar. The roadies tune the guitar. He is doing his job no matter what happens. Keyboard fuck! And the keyboarder is not able to check it, thats why these groups dont play togehter any more, they are just puppets on the drug lane, I saw Van Halen on Pink Pop in Holland in 1972 and I loved it
lotharbrandes 6 months ago
@lotharbrandes 1972?
casestudyification 6 months ago
the guitar not in tune with the keyboard and the keyboard setting wasnt set to jump till have way through the song
blist777 6 months ago
Keyboards are fine, Eddie is drunk and and can't hear the crap he is playing. he should have changed guitars for one that was in tune. Duh !!!! Dave looked like the pro, singing to the keyboard part which was spot on and not listening to the abortion on the stage next to him.
jwhitty14 7 months ago 2
Keyboard is fine.
dunskie 7 months ago
Why didnt they just stop playing the fucking song??
chairmanmeow1973 7 months ago
WHAT A FUCKIN' TRAIN WRECK... SOMEONE PLEASE UNPLUG THEM... MUST HAVE BEEN SOME GOOD BRAWLING BACKSTAGE AFTER THAT FIASCO !!!! LOL
muppy1100 7 months ago
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thank god 4 roth
born2groove422 7 months ago 2
time 2 go 2 rehab........again. lol
born2groove422 7 months ago 2
What a dunk buffoon. All the "he picked up the wrong guitar" and "the keyboard track was off key" comments are horseshit. If you're a professional, and certainly a one-time prodigy like EVH, you just move up one fret and BOOM you're in the correct key and kicking ass. Unless you're too drunk to even know where you are.
MrPomeroyWatson 7 months ago
ROTH RULES
born2groove422 7 months ago
what a disgrace.
maceoden 7 months ago
that´s what I say, it is a little terrifying.
maceoden 7 months ago
my biggest problem with this is, how the fuck did he not realise it was out?
GarethGras 7 months ago
what a loser. couldnt hold on to Valerie. she is a hottie. 2 bad he lost her. drunken fool
born2groove422 7 months ago
R.I.P. Van Halen
1978-1984
RedPaperTowels 7 months ago
This is a hot mess!!
OkoPeeKee 7 months ago
Eddie is to blame, he could've walked off stage and got another guitar? Totally lame!
sbrave 7 months ago
Oh my living shit!!!! Cringe cringe cringe!
Tallfatbloke 7 months ago
These guys need to stop ripping off their fans.
drkstone 7 months ago
This reminds me of Led Zep and Live Aid
3Deity 7 months ago
Fuck you Wolfgang
cford1992 7 months ago
Wow Dave walks around on the stage like he needs to take a shit!! Sounds soooooo bad
Ilovevanhalen2 7 months ago
eddie is a drunken asshole shell of a human- the sound guys keep him out of the mix as much as possible--cause he now SUCKS
augfive 7 months ago
eddie is a drunken asshole shell of a human
augfive 7 months ago
ouch - thats aweful
Nightverslonn 7 months ago
People here don't get it! Van Halen has been playing Jump in Db/C# since at least the early 90s. Eddie tunes to Eb and playings the "D" position and then "C minor" for the solo which in turn is in Bm. The keyboard is fine, Eddie's guitar is just out of tune. It's not even a perfect half step flat, it's just all out of whack as it was a lot on this tour. Listen to other clips of Aint Talkin bout Love and such, he's out of tune. Maybe he can't hear too well anymore.
TheMadMusicMan 7 months ago
This sounds like the difference was what sample rate the keys were playing back at. If it's a different sample rate it will play back at a different pitch and a little bit faster or slower. Regardless it sounds awful no matter what the issue was.
Blacklistedstudio 8 months ago
wow!!! the energy sucks!
octivarium579 8 months ago
CENSORSHIP ALERT... It's interesting to see that my reply got pushed back all the way to the replies from two months ago, although it has thirteen thumbs up and had been up there with the best two replies before. I was kinda wondering why I didn't get any e-mails about my reply to this video anymore... What's up with that? Is somebody censoring replies here? Weird... This may very well be a fake video from a Van Halen hater after all then...
DrGuitaritis 8 months ago
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Horrible. keyboard tracks are not to blame for this. Dave has NO presence on stage. He's a gamer though.
loesmed 8 months ago in playlist Van Halen 2010
Horrible. keyboard tracks are not to blame for this. Dave has NO presence on stage. He's a gamer thought.
loesmed 8 months ago in playlist Van Halen 2010
Whats with the weird "drunk kamikaaze" white pants ed's wearing a lot, didnt anyone tell him they suck like his playing?
WeedVulva 8 months ago
by screw up do you mean DLR
waving is potter wand
i paid for a ticket in ohio ,i was like damn i got ripped ,others were saying ,wasnt that great .no it sucked if they were great in the 80s they wont be great now .
i love youtube
eddievanhalenstoung 8 months ago
by screw up do you mean DLR
waving is potter wand
eddievanhalenstoung 8 months ago
this is worst than some of the shreds Ive heard/seen.
lowedt 8 months ago
Looks like one of those [Insert Artist Here] Shreds videos.
bloodystain 8 months ago
Yeah, he's totally out of tune...but why didn't someone fix it? Why didn't the FOH engineer mute him or why didn't a guitar tech bring him another guitar. Despite how it happened...Eddie himself should have heard it and at least stopped playing. Geez that's awful!!
lee1597 8 months ago
fuck, guitarists from the old days are horrible. Kirk Hammet makes the old aidsy looking guy on this video look like a shit demon cock spectacular.
NeckPickup 8 months ago
if they just stuck to guitar...
hudooguru 8 months ago
People actually paid to see this?
CityslickCaptain 8 months ago
@CityslickCaptain $250 -$1200 LOL
WeedVulva 8 months ago
Jump is actually in 440mhz tuning (standard)
Almost every other VH song is tuned down 1/2 step . Ed has a few guitars tuned to standard for Jump + I'll wait . The rest are all tuned E flat . He simply grabbed the wrong guitar ...
KillerGuitar70 8 months ago 2
@KillerGuitar70 That should be A at 440 Hz, but you're accurate about the rest...
DrGuitaritis 7 months ago 4
@DrGuitaritis 440 does typically refer to "a"
KillerGuitar70 7 months ago
@KillerGuitar70 Yes, but you wrote mHz (millihertz), that's all... 440 Hz means 440 vibrations per second. That produces the "a" pitch. It's the harmonic over the fifth fret of the fifth string. Most pitch forks produce that pitch for reference, although one can also buy pitch forks that produce an "e"...
DrGuitaritis 7 months ago
@DrGuitaritis gotcha . typo dude . thought you were referrfing to the fact i left out the "a"
KillerGuitar70 7 months ago
@DrGuitaritis Wow the fact that you guys care is possibly the most UN Rock n' Roll shit I have ever heard....lol kooks!
iamthedarkavenger 6 months ago
@KillerGuitar70 im sure you also know what kind of toilet paper he uses since you probably would love to wipe the shit off his drunken ass
born2groove422 7 months ago
@born2groove422 well aren't you a clever human . What a meager existance you must lead if you took the time to grace me with such a moronic comment . If you spent as much time playing your guitar as you do insulting perfect strangers , you too could have someone to whipe your ass for you , but hey you probably already do : your Mom . Say Hi for me . She's awesome .
KillerGuitar70 7 months ago
Can't any of you tell that the guitar is completely out of tune ??? Edward was hitting the headstock against the stage prior to this song. FACT. The tech didn't give Edward a new guitar because he never goes on the stage and Edward didn't want a new guitar. The tech is still employed by Ed. That should tell you what you need to know right there.
poserboy71 8 months ago
Can't any of you tell that the guitar is completely out of tune ??? Edward was hitting the headstock against the stage prior to this song. FACT. It is not a question of semitones or moving his hand up a fret. The tech didn't give Edward a new guitar because he never goes on the stage and Edward didn't want a new guitar. The tech is still employed by Ed. That should tell you what you need to know right there.
poserboy71 8 months ago
Seems like the tech tuned the guitar 1semitone to low. weird...
why didnt the guitartech give him another TUNED guitar?
WirSindRocker 8 months ago
Before this song, Eddie was slamming the neck of his guitar into the stage . He caused the guitar to go out of tune. The guitar tech wasn't fired. Ask Matt Bruck.The keyboards were in the proper key. Dave did a fine job.
poserboy71 8 months ago 12
@poserboy71 gotta agree, ed is a master, was he too drunk to hear this? its total shite!!!! wow
sparkles67 8 months ago
@poserboy71
The original key is "C", which is also the key Eddie plays in. The synths play in "C#", a semitone too high!
Nothing wrong with the guitar or the guitar player...
kiwibass 8 months ago
@poserboy71 your opinion
eddievanhalenstoung 8 months ago
@poserboy71 You're right, i guess... the bass is in the right tune too
RockoParker 6 months ago
@poserboy71 Yes the guitar is out of tune, but even if EVH's prototype Wolfgang is out of tune due to the neck being slammed into the stage, EVH still has to change to a guitar tuned for the keys inorder to play jump and I'ill wait. Ed should have went over and got his open E tuned guitar, but instead he is trying to play jump with his open E flat tuned guitar.
The sad part is that Ed could have easily changed guitars in this song as the keys form the real core of the song
neechee5150 5 months ago
wow... eddy doesnt hear this? he couldnt compensate up a step?
mesqua2 8 months ago
That is a VERY FIRED guitar tech hahaha
JgHaverty 9 months ago
Why Are People Hating Against Van Halen Here??? All That Happened Was The Guitar Tech Gave Eddie The Wrong Guitar!!! It's Not Eddie's Fault Or Van Halen's Fault!!! It's A Mistake The Guitar Tech Made!!! Maybe When You're Famou