ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions of tons of Earth soil)
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital structures, organs, reproductive system were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news on fossils, genetics, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life and the universe work don’t mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete and living cell, the genetic code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell originate when no directing code or mechanisms existed in nature?
WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith science supports. Natural laws explain how an airplane or a cell works, but undirected natural laws cannot bring about either. Once there's a complete cell, the code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell originate when there was no directing code.
@Mogley52 it's funny you'll type up pages of comments rather than take a few minutes on google and have your questions answered. Such a waste of time.
SCIENTISTS HAVE NEVER CREATED LIFE. And, even if they do it won't be by chance but by intelligent design. By genetically engineering already existing forms of life, scientists have produced new forms of life, but they did not produce these new life forms from non-living matter. Even in synthetic life, scientists design and build DNA from scratch, through intelligent design, and then insert their man-made DNA into an already living cell. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
THE ODDS of the sequence of molecules in a cell coming together by chance are similar to the odds of magnetic letters randomly bonding together in a sequence to form all the words and sentences in a dictionary. Without the right sequence, a cell's molecules won't work. Amino acids can come by chance but not proteins. Without DNA there can be no proteins and vice versa. Gradually won't do. It's all at once or not at all for a cell's survival. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
NATURAL SELECTION DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. It can only "select" from what is produced that has survival value. If a variation occurs that helps a species survive, that survival is called being "selected." That's all it is. There's no conscious selection by nature. It's a passive process. Natural selection is a figure of speech. The term itself is a tautology. Natural selection only operates once there is life and reproduction, not before. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM.
NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select," not produce or arrange. If a variation survives, that's called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
ARE FOSSILS REALLY MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD? Popular Internet article examines assumptions concerning fossil deposition as well as built-in assumptions involved in modern radiometric dating (not used for dating fossils but other rocks), and arguments from starlight and time. Discusses lack of true transitional forms in the fossil record and lack of "age" sequence of the fossil layers. Discussion of mixed species (i.e. dinosaur, reptile, mammal fossils in the same stratum).
IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
GENETIC INFORMATION CANNOT HAPPEN BY CHANCE, so it's more logical to believe that genetic similarities between all forms of life are due to a common Designer who designed similar functions for similar purposes. It doesn't mean all forms of life are biologically related! Also, "Junk DNA" isn't junk. These non-coding segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression. Read my popular Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST prevents macro-evolution. Natural selection wouldn't preserve the evolution of new traits because they wouldn't have any survival value. A partially-evolved hand evolving from a previous trait, partially-evolved tissues, organs, biological structures would make a species unfit for survival. There are no fossils of partially-evolved species. All species of plants and animals in the fossil record are complete and fully-formed. They came into existence as complete!
NEW SPECIES: Although new species have come into existence, they don't carry any new genes. They've become new species only because they can't be crossed back with the original parent stock for various biological reasons. A biological "kind" allows for new species but not new genes. Nature has no ability to invent new genes for new traits. Only limited variations and adaptations are possible in nature, and all strictly within a biological "kind" (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.).
ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
"JUNK DNA" ISN'T JUNK: Recent research shows that these segments of DNA are vital in regulating gene expression (when, where, and how genes are expressed). There's no room for random mutations to operate safely. Random mutations, from radiation, are destructive. Even for every good one there would be hundreds of harmful ones with the net effect, over time, causing harm and even extinction, not upward evolution. Genetic similarities are better explained due to a common design for common purposes.
DO EYES CARRY SCARS OF EVOLUTION? Read this fantastic Internet article by biologist and creationist Brian Thomas. Thomas refutes every argument of a "flawed" design for the eye, and explains how and why the so-called flaw is actually the best thing for the eye. Read the article! It's amazing what facts evolutionists will ignore. Numerous times evolutionists have been proven wrong about their interpretation of a structure as being flawed or useless
HOW DOES DNA MAKE A BODY? When you divide a cake the parts are smaller than the original cake and the cake never gets bigger. When we were a cell and that cell divided, the new cells were the same size as the original cell and we got bigger. New material had to come from somewhere. That new material came from food. The sequence in our DNA directed our mother's food we received in the womb to become new cells forming all the tissues and organs of our body. Read my article: HOW DID MY DNA MAKE ME?
HUMAN EMBRYO doesn't have true gills or tail. These and other arguments have long been discarded by most evolutionists and not supported by any modern embryologist. Then, what are these structures? Read "Does The Human Embryo Go Through Animal Stages" at the Institute for Creation Research site. Briefly, what look like gills are early formation of facial and throat regions. What looks like a tail is the coccyx which grows faster than the rest of the body. The coccyx supports the pelvic muscles.
DISORDER IN THE UNIVERSE is no argument against God's existence. The disorder is because of chance and entropy, but the order can only be rationally explained due to design. If I discovered a broken watch on the ground, the disorder is no evidence that there wasn't a designer behind the watch. Please read my Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
BURDEN OF PROOF: Anyone who claims the level of complexity and order in life and the universe happened by chance has the burden of proof. Many atheists think they have no burden of proof because they’re not claiming the existence of something. That is not true. Atheists are claiming something. They are claiming that we are here by chance and atheists expect for everyone to accept that claim on faith because they certainly can’t prove it. Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
The fact that someone can be exiled for not believing in the invisible man who takes no action...............is testament to humanity's stupidity. I feel so sorry for this man, and so infuriated towards his tormentors.
I went to a private Lutheran school and most of my friends I made there are atheists. Why does America make such a big deal over people's personal beliefs?
God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe must had been powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. He wants us to elevate our consciousness to the next level, is real
God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe must had been powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. He wants us to elevate our consciousness to the next level, is real
Wow, that something like this can happen in a so-called western, civilised country. I'm glad I'm European and being an atheist is normal in my country. I feel really bad for the boy and how he will be strong and not let those bullies win.
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I couldn't imagine living in a religious fundamentalist country like the USA. The whole concept of being discriminated against for my religious beliefs is such an alien concept to me.
@StevenBee2 Trust me, it really sucks. Most people still have this fucked up view engrained in their DNA that you have to be Christian, love your government, play nice, etc, like something right out of that Pleasantville movie where nobody was allowed to be different at all. It also feeds right into what political party you are, because for some reason you have to pick one or the other. I'm independent and am called stupid for caring more about the issue than who represents it.
@shady9321 that's something I've certainly noticed about America. There is this immensely powerful false dichotomy set up between republicans and democrats. So much that they are the only two options, and whichever option you choose, then ALL of your opinions have to line up with that party's stance. It *really* freaks me out. I've been called a filthy democrat or a dirty republican by so many Americans (admittedly much more often a democrat) online, even when they know I'm not American!
@StevenBee2 I try to get pride as an American, but it's like a disgusting name tag that accompanies me when I try to shine through. That's what scares me about this nation is the bipartisan lie, and I'm scared about that candidate Rick Perry coming up soon only because he hangs around with the Bilderbergs. It's not like any other politician of ours isn't already one of them, but I have a bad gut feeling about this dude.
According to ancient China the earth was suspended on the back of a turtle. In India it was believed an elephant held the earth, and the Greeks said the it was held up by Atlas. But Job, (which is the oldest book of the Bible, not Genesis) says the earth is held by nothing: "He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; He suspends the earth over NOTHING."
and i cant say that anyone have the right to judge me because of my "beliefs".
just as i dont judge anyone else because of their religion. i know people who are christians, muslims and atheists, and i never talk to them about their religion.
keep your religion to yourself and no one will get hurt or pissed off =)
@colony665 That's not so easy if you go to a school full of Christians :P
I went to a Christian middle school (I don't know what the fuck my dad was thinking) and the very first day I was sent to the principal's office by my homeroom teacher, and he gave me a couple demerits, just because I was asking someone how the `pledge allegiance to the cross' went XP
Everything in that school was prayer and talking about God. There was nothing else. I had to convert, took me forever to get away again >.<
Rejecting a child under any circumstances is an absolutely despicable act of parenting. Really, the only thing that can be said of this subject is that if you aren't willing to accept your child no matter how they turn out, you should not be a parent. Even if you're the grandparents, you should well know your kids will plan to have kids of their own one day. It really irks me to hear anyone disown a relative due to their own preconceptions. It is a sad world we live in.
Its so sad there still lives a generation of people who would denounce their child or grandchild for atheism. Madness. Because of rejecting your imaginary friend you feel somebody deserves to be locked out of family. Religion is such disgusting poison.
@bary1234 I know exactly what you mean. It's disgusting. I'm an Atheist, but I'm not going to tell my mother because she would condemn me for it. To have your own family not accept your religious beliefs is disgusting.
@deathblackthrashing : Last superstitious generation will die out in 40 years. New superstitious generations wont rise, we now have schools and information available to all. Knowledge kills religion. There are now news globally about whole countries shaking off the shakles of organised superstition. That chainreaction will gather speed and momentum, its going to be the greatest achievement of human history. Giving up imaginary friends, letting go of childhood fantasies and wishfull thinking.
Atheists are the most discriminated group in the world. Sadly there will be a lot of Christian funamantalists running on the republican ticket in 2012. My atheist friends will enjoy "Religious fanatic debates Atheist" on my channel.
i have had a class of 5th grader screaming and chanting im going to hell and the teacher didnt give a shit
even though it is retarted the bible(like most religious books) is a powerful book, it over powers the mind and turns people insane...egotistical, selfish ,blind, violent, and ignorant
I've never been discriminated against or had people act negatively toward me because I'm an atheist, and I live in Florida. People always sound intrigued that they know an atheist.
The other day I was in a bookstore reading a book called "Is God Man Made?". Some fifty-something year old guy saw the title of the book and said in an inappropriately loud voice "Why are you reading something like that?! You know that's blasphemous, don't you?"
I told him I didn't believe that. Within a short time of talking he eventually figured out that I was an atheist. Boy, did he get PISSED! Some people that worked there asked him to leave. I go there a lot so they knew that I was Ok.
@UnderlordZ Well of course they don't believe this with consideration that based on the mindset established by Christian institutions, they are doing no wrong to the children by indoctrinating them with Christian beliefs through any means necessary because they are doing "what God wants them to do." It is very disturbing that Christian institutions have this kind of power over people, don't you agree?
Santa Claus runs the show to the extreme angst of northernmost fat-chewers, bone-knitters & blubber-boilers. This pit will make one lucky couple a fitting wedding gift as there's room enough to bury 2 people. [Just like that actor: Billy Disease Filth Williams, I have had my problems with black-on-white crime.]
I've only really identified myself as an Atheist since about 3 or 4 months ago. The day after my boyfriend of a year and a half found out, he broke up with me.
@Tiptoetherat Oh yeah, the breaking up part didn't bother me (I'd been meaning to do it for weeks and weeks but I'm a huge chicken and he was a close friend), it was the reason why that pissed me off.
I'm glad it happened either way because now I realize what he truly is and don't want to even be friends anymore.
No my dad never killed himself. Hes a catholic so he believes that hed burn in hell if he killed himself. If he killed me, it would be called "god's work" or what god wants.
@baahhhFATALITY11 Annoying, yes, but it shows that some sick fucks don't consider it beneath them to use fearmongering scare tactics to indoctrinate CHILDREN!
I'm glad i never really had to face this kind of rejection from people. The weirdest thing was at school, where i'd stay in the classroom doing whatever while the rest of the kids went to mass, which happened to be a good thing because it gave me time to do homework, lol.
lol, I remember my first encounter with a Jewish kid in first grade. I tattled on him when I found out he didn't believe in Santa. God damn, was I stupid.
@schneke1 As atheists, we don't "judge" people in the same way that the religious "judge." What we do is criticize and call people out on negative behavior for a better future. This is different from condemning a person to eternal suffering because we feel they are morally inferior to us.
Religious people are the biggest fucking hypocrities...talking about peace, love, and tolerance yet they are some of the fucking most moronic, irrational assholes on the whole fucking planet. Shit those pious freaks have no common sense and rather live a fucking fantasy just because it is more comforting and believe in customs that were made by superstitous ignorant ancients.
@iversonmatthew yeah religions gets a magical fucking shield from criticism just because they are as old as fuck (think about religions only get so much power because they have been engraved inside a culture due to AUTHORITY and FEAR). That's all religion is: fucking superstition, fear, and ignorance!
Wake up people. We aren't living in a work of fiction!
Fiction is based on reality, but it doesn't work the other way around lol...
@iversonmatthew yeah it is hard to deny those facts but people still do so. I am pretty sure the rational side of any person could tell religion is irrational using common sense. But these people are purposely deluding themselves to the point where they believe in this lie by 2nd nature.
Discrimination only seems to go one way. I can't think of any Athiests who would discriminate religious people. I'm not saying all religious people will discriminate Athiests, but many will at least lose a bit of respect for them knowing their beliefs.
Wow ! Hats off to the Atheists ! It takes a bulldog kind of Faith to deny our Creator !
The Faith that most Atheists have is pretty intense. I have to say they stick to their guns on their beleifs. But, just because you dont beleive in something doesnt mean that it is not true. Or, if you say its not true doesnt mean that its not truth. Most of us today do nit understand the meaning of truth. Everyone on this earth has a Faith
@TheApostleJames Wow! complete misunderstanding of atheism! atheism is a lack of belief and faith! The reason we lack a belief? becuase theres no evidence suggesting that any god exists. Believeing in a god is the easy way out. You dont have to think about it, just say "ok theres a god, Im gonna believe in him". But deniying (cant spell) that requires you to think about it and put together the peices of the puzzle. Please reveiw your opions on atheism from a logical perspective.
@RockBanned-Oh yes, lol. I would say National Geographic but they had shows on near Easter Sunday that acted like they were sure Jesus existed and was the son of god. I'm all for different view points and everything but damn.
I have Atheist associates who understand the proper meanings of the words atheist AND agnaostic, who STILL object to my self-indentification as both, apparently on principle alone - as though they think I'm unwilling to claim that I hold the belief that there is no god (something - BTW - I have no problem admitting).
Fucking hypocrits to judge anyone let alone people that don't fit your belief structure which ironically tells you to NOT judge let alone threaten anyone in the name of their belief.
I got so so so fn much shit when I was in the military over being an atheist. Religion needs to be taken out of our military. When they said their bs prayers in iraq so we could "take down our enemy" and make it back ok did they work. FUCK NO. We lost some very good men and one of them had a kid one week before we left, what kind of sick god would do that? Why where our religious mad over anything it is their god that knows it was going to happen and let it happen.
It's unfair what atheists have to go through. They almost never do that to others, so why should they suffer at the hands of such unacceptable behaviour?
that poor guy! I am friends with a lot of theists, going to a christian school and i have never experienced any negativity! Is this sort of stuff more prominent is America (cause you guys are a nation more concerned with god) - like, does it happen a lot?
I've never experienced anything negative. Actually, 3 of 4 of my best friends are Christians (born-again, evangelical and the whole 9 yards). Though, my brother is in high school and gets a lot of shit from a few people for it. Me and him go over proper comebacks in such situations. People that discriminate in real life are just ignorant assholes. I mean, I can understand being an ass on the internet (I myself am one =D), but in real life, it... it just seems too far.
I'm from Texas and used to be up against the same anti-atheist attitudes. As long as people don't know any atheists, its easy for church leaders to potray us as angry, sad, or obsessed with sex and drugs. Christians love feeling like they're besieged in a culture that hates them, even when they're the majority. If they see that the nice young man or woman down the block, who is always so nice, is an atheist, they'll have to reevaluate some beliefs about us. Stay strong, and move if you have to.
Well mike1tm, thats strike two according to your mythical fairytales. Do not unto others etcetera. Oh and yes, I'm calling you an idiot and delusional, since youve proven that in under two posts! That must be some kind of record! And again yes, teaching children to have faith in your or any other god (like Wodan, Amun-Ra, Zeus) must end now. The educational (read that word a couple of times) system is NOT to be used for indoctrination of any kind, especiallt regarding superstition. Idiot.
I love how you morons call us delusional when you fools can't even grasp the basic concept of rationality. You say there is no God. How do you know that? You don't. So how to you claim the title atheist? Are you claiming absolute and complete knowledge of the universe (omniscience)? You have to if you say there is no God. What evidence do you have? None. Your whole idiotic atheistic position is based on nothing but simple abstract possibility. It is 100% intellectually indefensible.
Dear biased person, you should really get your definitions straight, since you are making a complete idiot out of yourself. Again. An atheist has lack of belief in a god, since there is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim. An atheists believes as much in god as you believe in Thor. No atheist can ever say that there absolutely is no god, but noone can say either that Amun-Ra doesnt exist. Atheists seek truth through science, instead of claiming to know it all through the bible. Idiot.
The burden of proof does not fall to us. We aren't the ones making the absurd claim. If I were to say fairies exist, I would have to provide evidence to support that claim. The skeptic would not be required to provide evidence they don't exist. Intelligent people do not believe in fairies because their is no evidence to justify that belief... I fail to see the difference between your belief in god and a belief in fairies, genies, or elves.
The burden of proof falls on atheists too. They claim that the universe came from nothing, and that we are here by accident and not by design. That is just as bold of a claim as saying we were created. Neither atheists nor creationists can prove their claims...yet atheists like to think that they don't have to, while the creationists do. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Atheists have made an "absurd" claim that demands evidence too...that something came from nothing.
We can observe the universe expanding and cooling. We have observable data to support the big bang theory. We claim the universe originated from pure energy. You claim something can never come from nothing, therefore a god who came from nothing must of created it. Even if you consider the claim to be absurd, which it likely was at one time, evidence has been provided to support it. Hence, it is no longer an absurd claim. Your claim however continues to be absurd.
That still does not explain what caused the Big Bang, or what existed before it (if there was nothing, how could the Big Bang even occur?) No scientist can truly answer that question, yet atheists still make the claim that nothing existed, and something came from nothing. That is just as bold as saying we were created by an all powerful being. Neither are supported by evidence, and neither can be explained by science. Sorry, but the burden of proof lies on atheists as well.
I am not a scientist, but scientists do not claim to have all the answers. Simply because we can not answer every question regarding the universe does not mean that by default there must be a god. The Big Bang theory is simply the best theory the scientific community has based on the observable and testable evidence. You can't observe and test a god. If new evidence were to surface, scientists would be willing to edit the theory, make it a law (if it were un-refutable) or articulate a new one.
continued... you continue to miss the fact the big bang theory IS supported by evidence. I'm not exactly sure how saying there are things we simply don't know yet is absurd. I'm an anti-theist, not a scientist. To the main point, the only claim the atheist actually makes is that there is no god, which again, is not the absurd claim. It is the logical conclusion when evidence is not provided.
I never said I reject the Big Bang theory (you automatically assumed I reject it). I said despite the fact that scientists don't know what caused the Big Bang, or what came before it...atheists claim that there was nothing before it and nothing caused it to happen, yet they don't expect the burden of proof to fall on them for their claims.
You either believe that we are the creation of a divine being, or you believe that everything came from absolutely nothing. To say that one is absurd while the other is pure logic shows your bias. They are both beliefs that lack evidence and cannot be explained by science. They are both beliefs that neither atheists nor theists can prove or disprove. So, I say that the burden of proof lies on atheists just as much as it lies on creationists
For the sake of argument, we will assume everything you have said is true. One group according to you believes something we can verifiably prove exists was either infinite or came from nothing, whereas you believe something unfounded and unprovable is either infinite or came from nothing. Assuming, according to you, these are the two options, who is taking the leap of faith, and who does the burden of proof rely on? If interested in continuing this send me a message. Pain in ass with limits.
You can claim there is a hole under that rug in the hallway. Now I say there is no hole. Lets suppose for some reason that rug cannot be lifted up. So this hole cannot be investigated until one walks over it.
I personally would walk around or go back.. However the idea of a hole in a floor hidden by an object is plausible.
If you made the claim that if I walked over the rug, evil demons in the attic would kill me. I would not hesitate to walk over that rug. I am not a child.
If we both agree the Big Bang is the best scientific explanation regarding the origin of the universe, I don't see what we are going back and forth about. The only claim atheists make is that there is no evidence of a god, therefor there is no logical reason to assume one exists. We do not claim to have knowledge of the universe others are not privy to.
@hotflame2009 By using the word accident you imply that a creator unwillingly created it, and we dont believe the universe came from nothing, I myself believe that nothingness is actually impossible, any how believing that a god just popped up is crazy.
I don't believe that a god just popped up. I believe God is eternal, and If you believe nothingness is impossible, than you must also believe in something that is eternal. When I used the word accident, I was not using the word in regards to God, I was using the word in regards to atheists. If you believe the universe did not come about as part of a plan or design, than you believe that it came about by accident.
BTW, I have met atheists who do believe that nothing existed before the big bang.
Yes but the term accident imply's that a being must have done it, and when i said i believe that nothingness is impossible i did state that i believe that i dont know about anyone else, its all to do with time which at the moment is hard to understand but it no way even suggests any form of supernatural being.
I've met Christians who believe that the earth is flat. You know that this "I believe in nothing" is a mere strawman, pretty much created by Christians, possibly based on a few real people, not the norm, not anything worth mentioning.
E = mc^2. Energy can be converted to matter, and matter to energy. There is no need for a God, nor is there a need for "nothing." Both arguments are yours and they're both wrong.
Intelligent creation has a flaw in logic. If we came from god where did god come from. "God always existed" well that answer doesn't follow your logic that intelligence and "perfectness" has to be created.
If our intelligence is a gift from god where did his intelligence come from. It didn't just magically appear did it?
If something looks like it was designed such as god then there must be a designer. This argument is flawed. There must be natural properties that caused an event creation.
There is no one on the internet that is more idiotic than a self proclaimed, self centered, delusional, "its all about me" atheist.
"Look at me, I'm so intellectual. I don't believe God exists."
What I really can't stand is the arrogance and the nastiness of you ass clowns and how you, in your fantasy world, think science in some odd way endorses your atheism. Give me a thumbs down on this one too you little cry baby girls.
Right. Us atheists raise churches. Us atheists claim we can "save" you. Us atheists claim that our god is the only one and you MUST obey, or suffer forever. Us atheists (and with that line you killed me) are living in a fantasy world (LOL). Us atheists refuse believers in public offices. Oh wait... that's you guys! Now, think sloooowly, who is the arrogant one here?The *burden of proof* for god lies with you, not I. Since *science* IS on our side. And you claiming thats weird only supports that.
Whaaaaaao, Guam? Awesome I live here there/here.
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2naruto1 3 months ago
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ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
Mogley52 3 months ago
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SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
Mogley52 3 months ago
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EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
Mogley52 3 months ago
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THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions of tons of Earth soil)
Mogley52 3 months ago
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NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital structures, organs, reproductive system were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
Mogley52 3 months ago
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DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news on fossils, genetics, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
Mogley52 3 months ago
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EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life and the universe work don’t mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete and living cell, the genetic code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell originate when no directing code or mechanisms existed in nature?
Mogley52 3 months ago
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WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith science supports. Natural laws explain how an airplane or a cell works, but undirected natural laws cannot bring about either. Once there's a complete cell, the code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell originate when there was no directing code.
Mogley52 3 months ago
@Mogley52 it's funny you'll type up pages of comments rather than take a few minutes on google and have your questions answered. Such a waste of time.
richjammcl 1 month ago
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SCIENTISTS HAVE NEVER CREATED LIFE. And, even if they do it won't be by chance but by intelligent design. By genetically engineering already existing forms of life, scientists have produced new forms of life, but they did not produce these new life forms from non-living matter. Even in synthetic life, scientists design and build DNA from scratch, through intelligent design, and then insert their man-made DNA into an already living cell. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 3 months ago
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shadowknigth95 1 month ago
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THE ODDS of the sequence of molecules in a cell coming together by chance are similar to the odds of magnetic letters randomly bonding together in a sequence to form all the words and sentences in a dictionary. Without the right sequence, a cell's molecules won't work. Amino acids can come by chance but not proteins. Without DNA there can be no proteins and vice versa. Gradually won't do. It's all at once or not at all for a cell's survival. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 3 months ago
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NATURAL SELECTION DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. It can only "select" from what is produced that has survival value. If a variation occurs that helps a species survive, that survival is called being "selected." That's all it is. There's no conscious selection by nature. It's a passive process. Natural selection is a figure of speech. The term itself is a tautology. Natural selection only operates once there is life and reproduction, not before. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM.
Mogley52 3 months ago
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NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select," not produce or arrange. If a variation survives, that's called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 3 months ago
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ARE FOSSILS REALLY MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD? Popular Internet article examines assumptions concerning fossil deposition as well as built-in assumptions involved in modern radiometric dating (not used for dating fossils but other rocks), and arguments from starlight and time. Discusses lack of true transitional forms in the fossil record and lack of "age" sequence of the fossil layers. Discussion of mixed species (i.e. dinosaur, reptile, mammal fossils in the same stratum).
Mogley52 3 months ago
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IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 3 months ago
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APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
Mogley52 3 months ago
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GENETIC INFORMATION CANNOT HAPPEN BY CHANCE, so it's more logical to believe that genetic similarities between all forms of life are due to a common Designer who designed similar functions for similar purposes. It doesn't mean all forms of life are biologically related! Also, "Junk DNA" isn't junk. These non-coding segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression. Read my popular Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 3 months ago
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SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST prevents macro-evolution. Natural selection wouldn't preserve the evolution of new traits because they wouldn't have any survival value. A partially-evolved hand evolving from a previous trait, partially-evolved tissues, organs, biological structures would make a species unfit for survival. There are no fossils of partially-evolved species. All species of plants and animals in the fossil record are complete and fully-formed. They came into existence as complete!
Mogley52 3 months ago
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NEW SPECIES: Although new species have come into existence, they don't carry any new genes. They've become new species only because they can't be crossed back with the original parent stock for various biological reasons. A biological "kind" allows for new species but not new genes. Nature has no ability to invent new genes for new traits. Only limited variations and adaptations are possible in nature, and all strictly within a biological "kind" (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.).
Mogley52 3 months ago
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ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 3 months ago
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"JUNK DNA" ISN'T JUNK: Recent research shows that these segments of DNA are vital in regulating gene expression (when, where, and how genes are expressed). There's no room for random mutations to operate safely. Random mutations, from radiation, are destructive. Even for every good one there would be hundreds of harmful ones with the net effect, over time, causing harm and even extinction, not upward evolution. Genetic similarities are better explained due to a common design for common purposes.
Mogley52 3 months ago
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DO EYES CARRY SCARS OF EVOLUTION? Read this fantastic Internet article by biologist and creationist Brian Thomas. Thomas refutes every argument of a "flawed" design for the eye, and explains how and why the so-called flaw is actually the best thing for the eye. Read the article! It's amazing what facts evolutionists will ignore. Numerous times evolutionists have been proven wrong about their interpretation of a structure as being flawed or useless
Mogley52 3 months ago
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HOW DOES DNA MAKE A BODY? When you divide a cake the parts are smaller than the original cake and the cake never gets bigger. When we were a cell and that cell divided, the new cells were the same size as the original cell and we got bigger. New material had to come from somewhere. That new material came from food. The sequence in our DNA directed our mother's food we received in the womb to become new cells forming all the tissues and organs of our body. Read my article: HOW DID MY DNA MAKE ME?
Mogley52 3 months ago
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HUMAN EMBRYO doesn't have true gills or tail. These and other arguments have long been discarded by most evolutionists and not supported by any modern embryologist. Then, what are these structures? Read "Does The Human Embryo Go Through Animal Stages" at the Institute for Creation Research site. Briefly, what look like gills are early formation of facial and throat regions. What looks like a tail is the coccyx which grows faster than the rest of the body. The coccyx supports the pelvic muscles.
Mogley52 3 months ago
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DISORDER IN THE UNIVERSE is no argument against God's existence. The disorder is because of chance and entropy, but the order can only be rationally explained due to design. If I discovered a broken watch on the ground, the disorder is no evidence that there wasn't a designer behind the watch. Please read my Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 3 months ago
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BURDEN OF PROOF: Anyone who claims the level of complexity and order in life and the universe happened by chance has the burden of proof. Many atheists think they have no burden of proof because they’re not claiming the existence of something. That is not true. Atheists are claiming something. They are claiming that we are here by chance and atheists expect for everyone to accept that claim on faith because they certainly can’t prove it. Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 3 months ago
The fact that someone can be exiled for not believing in the invisible man who takes no action...............is testament to humanity's stupidity. I feel so sorry for this man, and so infuriated towards his tormentors.
chewface 3 months ago 2
@chewface Welcome to my extended family *eyeroll*
WirlWind494 1 month ago
This is very sad.
NormacHC 4 months ago
I went to a private Lutheran school and most of my friends I made there are atheists. Why does America make such a big deal over people's personal beliefs?
Pinage 4 months ago
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God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe must had been powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. He wants us to elevate our consciousness to the next level, is real
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe must had been powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. He wants us to elevate our consciousness to the next level, is real
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
Wow, that something like this can happen in a so-called western, civilised country. I'm glad I'm European and being an atheist is normal in my country. I feel really bad for the boy and how he will be strong and not let those bullies win.
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lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
This is so sad :'(
The poor guy...
11iluvpurple 5 months ago
I went to a catholic school and the people there were rather tolerant of my beliefs.
CarmenStacy1 5 months ago
I have the worst discrimination experiance:
I'm an atheist who lives in KANSAS! need I say more?
strattoncaster508 7 months ago
Sounds like these god haters are a part of westboro baptist church.
smurfboywv 7 months ago
I couldn't imagine living in a religious fundamentalist country like the USA. The whole concept of being discriminated against for my religious beliefs is such an alien concept to me.
StevenBee2 8 months ago 3
@StevenBee2 Trust me, it really sucks. Most people still have this fucked up view engrained in their DNA that you have to be Christian, love your government, play nice, etc, like something right out of that Pleasantville movie where nobody was allowed to be different at all. It also feeds right into what political party you are, because for some reason you have to pick one or the other. I'm independent and am called stupid for caring more about the issue than who represents it.
shady9321 6 months ago 2
@shady9321 that's something I've certainly noticed about America. There is this immensely powerful false dichotomy set up between republicans and democrats. So much that they are the only two options, and whichever option you choose, then ALL of your opinions have to line up with that party's stance. It *really* freaks me out. I've been called a filthy democrat or a dirty republican by so many Americans (admittedly much more often a democrat) online, even when they know I'm not American!
StevenBee2 6 months ago
@StevenBee2 I try to get pride as an American, but it's like a disgusting name tag that accompanies me when I try to shine through. That's what scares me about this nation is the bipartisan lie, and I'm scared about that candidate Rick Perry coming up soon only because he hangs around with the Bilderbergs. It's not like any other politician of ours isn't already one of them, but I have a bad gut feeling about this dude.
shady9321 6 months ago
There's something very Westboro baptist church about that song at the beginning. I'd lose it if I were you guys.
floppykid 9 months ago
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The fact that it is the WBC might have something to do with that.
TheRipcity22 9 months ago
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Oh right, I thought it was a tune they were using for the show that they wrote themselves.
Disturbed me a little.
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According to ancient China the earth was suspended on the back of a turtle. In India it was believed an elephant held the earth, and the Greeks said the it was held up by Atlas. But Job, (which is the oldest book of the Bible, not Genesis) says the earth is held by nothing: "He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; He suspends the earth over NOTHING."
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Warning: There are no atheists in a foxhole!!!
MrTrack412 9 months ago
@MrTrack412 Sure there are. They have a website. Militaryatheists . org.
Zekkron 9 months ago 3
@MrTrack412 I have seen Ur post on several other pages; 'There are no atheists in a foxhole!!!"
Why don't U get off Ur ASS and come out with it and say what U mean !!
Get it out !! Spew THAT Threat !
BELIEVE in JESUS or Go to HELL!!
Quit F-ing around and say it.....stop being so cowardly about the THREATING People with HELL and Veiling it with that Garbage.
Urfullobull 9 months ago 2
@MrTrack412 There are more atheists in the military (and in general) than you would believe.
Your fairy tail is failing the test of time, get over it.
BTCforlife 8 months ago 2
i have the right to believe in what i want, and when i want. christians are a disgrace to their own beliefs..
1985steve1985 10 months ago
im an atheist.
and i cant say that anyone have the right to judge me because of my "beliefs".
just as i dont judge anyone else because of their religion. i know people who are christians, muslims and atheists, and i never talk to them about their religion.
keep your religion to yourself and no one will get hurt or pissed off =)
colony665 10 months ago
@colony665 That's not so easy if you go to a school full of Christians :P
I went to a Christian middle school (I don't know what the fuck my dad was thinking) and the very first day I was sent to the principal's office by my homeroom teacher, and he gave me a couple demerits, just because I was asking someone how the `pledge allegiance to the cross' went XP
Everything in that school was prayer and talking about God. There was nothing else. I had to convert, took me forever to get away again >.<
DarthFennec 9 months ago
@DarthFennec well, "keep the religion to yourself" statement should be implemented to schools aswell.
religion has nothing to do in schools or in politics.
it should only be in the homes. nowhere else
colony665 9 months ago 2
Rejecting a child under any circumstances is an absolutely despicable act of parenting. Really, the only thing that can be said of this subject is that if you aren't willing to accept your child no matter how they turn out, you should not be a parent. Even if you're the grandparents, you should well know your kids will plan to have kids of their own one day. It really irks me to hear anyone disown a relative due to their own preconceptions. It is a sad world we live in.
witzig89 10 months ago
atheists must not be affraid. they are the reasonable ones...
cawinhosurf 10 months ago
Its so sad there still lives a generation of people who would denounce their child or grandchild for atheism. Madness. Because of rejecting your imaginary friend you feel somebody deserves to be locked out of family. Religion is such disgusting poison.
bary1234 11 months ago 2
@bary1234 I know exactly what you mean. It's disgusting. I'm an Atheist, but I'm not going to tell my mother because she would condemn me for it. To have your own family not accept your religious beliefs is disgusting.
deathblackthrashing 9 months ago
@deathblackthrashing I would certainly not be rejected for it, but my mother would be incredibly angered by it.
deathblackthrashing 9 months ago
@deathblackthrashing : Last superstitious generation will die out in 40 years. New superstitious generations wont rise, we now have schools and information available to all. Knowledge kills religion. There are now news globally about whole countries shaking off the shakles of organised superstition. That chainreaction will gather speed and momentum, its going to be the greatest achievement of human history. Giving up imaginary friends, letting go of childhood fantasies and wishfull thinking.
bary1234 9 months ago
Atheists are the most discriminated group in the world. Sadly there will be a lot of Christian funamantalists running on the republican ticket in 2012. My atheist friends will enjoy "Religious fanatic debates Atheist" on my channel.
Sweence 11 months ago
@Preator6 yeah so do i. i find it so insane that you get discriminated against if your an atheist in america.
nujivaa 1 year ago
this is why i keep my secularist belief to myself.
perfectchronic 1 year ago
this is why i keep my secularist-agnostic belief to myself.
perfectchronic 1 year ago
i have had a class of 5th grader screaming and chanting im going to hell and the teacher didnt give a shit
even though it is retarted the bible(like most religious books) is a powerful book, it over powers the mind and turns people insane...egotistical, selfish ,blind, violent, and ignorant
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mokilasorki 1 year ago
I've never been discriminated against or had people act negatively toward me because I'm an atheist, and I live in Florida. People always sound intrigued that they know an atheist.
ninjajesus81 1 year ago
The other day I was in a bookstore reading a book called "Is God Man Made?". Some fifty-something year old guy saw the title of the book and said in an inappropriately loud voice "Why are you reading something like that?! You know that's blasphemous, don't you?"
I told him I didn't believe that. Within a short time of talking he eventually figured out that I was an atheist. Boy, did he get PISSED! Some people that worked there asked him to leave. I go there a lot so they knew that I was Ok.
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zsezse215 1 year ago
I've never been made fun of due to my atheism.
Maybe because I live in Canada?
UnltimateFire123 1 year ago
@UnltimateFire123 Same
NoGripRacingGTR2 1 year ago
I love Christians irrationality...
beasty513 1 year ago 2
@UnderlordZ Well of course they don't believe this with consideration that based on the mindset established by Christian institutions, they are doing no wrong to the children by indoctrinating them with Christian beliefs through any means necessary because they are doing "what God wants them to do." It is very disturbing that Christian institutions have this kind of power over people, don't you agree?
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Is that song by the Westboro Baptist Church?
AmericanCritiquer 1 year ago
people waste their lives hating people for not believing in an imaginary thing
lulumousie 1 year ago
@lulumousie I hate you cause you don't believe in harry potter! That's how much sense they make.
TheAmazingstarman 1 year ago
Santa Claus runs the show to the extreme angst of northernmost fat-chewers, bone-knitters & blubber-boilers. This pit will make one lucky couple a fitting wedding gift as there's room enough to bury 2 people. [Just like that actor: Billy Disease Filth Williams, I have had my problems with black-on-white crime.]
KenyanObama 1 year ago
I've only really identified myself as an Atheist since about 3 or 4 months ago. The day after my boyfriend of a year and a half found out, he broke up with me.
Gotta love narrow-mindedness.
LOVEluv1 1 year ago
@LOVEluv1 If he was willing to leave you over something like that...you had no future with him.
Tiptoetherat 1 year ago
@Tiptoetherat Oh yeah, the breaking up part didn't bother me (I'd been meaning to do it for weeks and weeks but I'm a huge chicken and he was a close friend), it was the reason why that pissed me off.
I'm glad it happened either way because now I realize what he truly is and don't want to even be friends anymore.
LOVEluv1 1 year ago
@LOVEluv1 Best of luck the next time you date ;)
Tiptoetherat 1 year ago
@LOVEluv1 well thats good for you that you didnt have to be around that idiot anymore
zubestr 1 year ago
No my dad never killed himself. Hes a catholic so he believes that hed burn in hell if he killed himself. If he killed me, it would be called "god's work" or what god wants.
IAMAGAMEBOY 1 year ago
FUCK I HATE THE OPENING SONG, its ANNOYING
baahhhFATALITY11 1 year ago
@baahhhFATALITY11 Annoying, yes, but it shows that some sick fucks don't consider it beneath them to use fearmongering scare tactics to indoctrinate CHILDREN!
UnderlordZ 1 year ago
Ignorance makes people do stupid shit.
I'm glad i never really had to face this kind of rejection from people. The weirdest thing was at school, where i'd stay in the classroom doing whatever while the rest of the kids went to mass, which happened to be a good thing because it gave me time to do homework, lol.
hellhammerz666 1 year ago
@hellhammerz666 Wait, what? Mass at school? Was this like Sunday school or something? If so, what were you doing there?
TharosTheDragon 1 year ago
Jeez that song is just terrible, I had to fast forward almost 40 seconds to get away! The Phelps family really needs singing lessons.
CamillaCalamity 1 year ago
my dad told me he failed me, and that there was something wrong with me and hed kill himself because i am an athiest.....
IAMAGAMEBOY 1 year ago
@IAMAGAMEBOY So did he kill himself?
TharosTheDragon 1 year ago
theist: "why do you guys always try to convert me and trash my belifs?"
atheist: -_- *facepalm*
MegaBukaki 1 year ago 2
Poor guy...you can hear the pain in his voice. Shame on those bigots.
eljagg01 1 year ago 28
@eljagg01 I heard it, too. He sounds like he's really having a hard time.
Jenn3d93 8 months ago
The best argument against a religion is the followers of that religion.
Ramshobraja 1 year ago 13
@schneke1 I don't think it is up to god to judge thats why christians have to do it.
hawklord2001 1 year ago
lol, I remember my first encounter with a Jewish kid in first grade. I tattled on him when I found out he didn't believe in Santa. God damn, was I stupid.
MedievalWerewolf 1 year ago
Is there an australian support group? :( I need help
Noahboah234 1 year ago
Shameless ignorant assholes, how dare they harass this guy.
Shalek 1 year ago
@schneke1 As atheists, we don't "judge" people in the same way that the religious "judge." What we do is criticize and call people out on negative behavior for a better future. This is different from condemning a person to eternal suffering because we feel they are morally inferior to us.
TheJesusSucks 1 year ago
Religious people are the biggest fucking hypocrities...talking about peace, love, and tolerance yet they are some of the fucking most moronic, irrational assholes on the whole fucking planet. Shit those pious freaks have no common sense and rather live a fucking fantasy just because it is more comforting and believe in customs that were made by superstitous ignorant ancients.
supersmash43 1 year ago 6
@supersmash43 Ironic huh
DreamChasing 1 year ago
Religion is silly, it's just that it's scary what people do in it's name.
iversonmatthew 1 year ago
@iversonmatthew yeah religions gets a magical fucking shield from criticism just because they are as old as fuck (think about religions only get so much power because they have been engraved inside a culture due to AUTHORITY and FEAR). That's all religion is: fucking superstition, fear, and ignorance!
Wake up people. We aren't living in a work of fiction!
Fiction is based on reality, but it doesn't work the other way around lol...
supersmash43 1 year ago 2
@supersmash43 Right on!
iversonmatthew 1 year ago
@iversonmatthew yeah it is hard to deny those facts but people still do so. I am pretty sure the rational side of any person could tell religion is irrational using common sense. But these people are purposely deluding themselves to the point where they believe in this lie by 2nd nature.
supersmash43 1 year ago
we athiest are the modern day round earthers
ilovetheview47 1 year ago
Discrimination only seems to go one way. I can't think of any Athiests who would discriminate religious people. I'm not saying all religious people will discriminate Athiests, but many will at least lose a bit of respect for them knowing their beliefs.
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Wow ! Hats off to the Atheists ! It takes a bulldog kind of Faith to deny our Creator !
The Faith that most Atheists have is pretty intense. I have to say they stick to their guns on their beleifs. But, just because you dont beleive in something doesnt mean that it is not true. Or, if you say its not true doesnt mean that its not truth. Most of us today do nit understand the meaning of truth. Everyone on this earth has a Faith
TheApostleJames 1 year ago
@TheApostleJames Wow! complete misunderstanding of atheism! atheism is a lack of belief and faith! The reason we lack a belief? becuase theres no evidence suggesting that any god exists. Believeing in a god is the easy way out. You dont have to think about it, just say "ok theres a god, Im gonna believe in him". But deniying (cant spell) that requires you to think about it and put together the peices of the puzzle. Please reveiw your opions on atheism from a logical perspective.
darthnemoz 1 year ago 2
Well why wouldn't the ACLU deal with something like that in Guam? Isn't Guam an American territory?
RockBanned 1 year ago
There should be a TV channel for Atheists, Agnostics, Humanists and other freethinkers.
MasterAdam100 1 year ago 5
@MasterAdam100 The Discovery channel
RockBanned 1 year ago
@RockBanned-Oh yes, lol. I would say National Geographic but they had shows on near Easter Sunday that acted like they were sure Jesus existed and was the son of god. I'm all for different view points and everything but damn.
MasterAdam100 1 year ago
@MasterAdam100 I would sooooo watch that. Hell I would even donate to that one :)
iversonmatthew 1 year ago
I have Atheist associates who understand the proper meanings of the words atheist AND agnaostic, who STILL object to my self-indentification as both, apparently on principle alone - as though they think I'm unwilling to claim that I hold the belief that there is no god (something - BTW - I have no problem admitting).
steveb0503 1 year ago
Fucking hypocrits to judge anyone let alone people that don't fit your belief structure which ironically tells you to NOT judge let alone threaten anyone in the name of their belief.
clipsryan 1 year ago 3
I got so so so fn much shit when I was in the military over being an atheist. Religion needs to be taken out of our military. When they said their bs prayers in iraq so we could "take down our enemy" and make it back ok did they work. FUCK NO. We lost some very good men and one of them had a kid one week before we left, what kind of sick god would do that? Why where our religious mad over anything it is their god that knows it was going to happen and let it happen.
party489 1 year ago
I remember when I told to a teacher that Im an atheist. She then looked at me with this cold, angry look...
Justas923 1 year ago
It's unfair what atheists have to go through. They almost never do that to others, so why should they suffer at the hands of such unacceptable behaviour?
sillysylviesly 1 year ago 4
I think that was the Westboro Baptist nuts singing in the beginning.
ThisClownis2in1 1 year ago 6
that poor guy! I am friends with a lot of theists, going to a christian school and i have never experienced any negativity! Is this sort of stuff more prominent is America (cause you guys are a nation more concerned with god) - like, does it happen a lot?
procrastinating2007 2 years ago
I've never experienced anything negative. Actually, 3 of 4 of my best friends are Christians (born-again, evangelical and the whole 9 yards). Though, my brother is in high school and gets a lot of shit from a few people for it. Me and him go over proper comebacks in such situations. People that discriminate in real life are just ignorant assholes. I mean, I can understand being an ass on the internet (I myself am one =D), but in real life, it... it just seems too far.
infectingthecrypts 1 year ago 3
I live in Albama and im an atheist and the best way to avoid discrimmination is just to lie about your faith its easy
h3ll0xzx555 2 years ago
please quit lying. Be a man, or a real woman. We need to be strong and stand up for our beliefs too.
rncoco 2 years ago 5
horrible idea. You should stand up for the truth
MasterofDisaster17 1 year ago
I'm from Texas and used to be up against the same anti-atheist attitudes. As long as people don't know any atheists, its easy for church leaders to potray us as angry, sad, or obsessed with sex and drugs. Christians love feeling like they're besieged in a culture that hates them, even when they're the majority. If they see that the nice young man or woman down the block, who is always so nice, is an atheist, they'll have to reevaluate some beliefs about us. Stay strong, and move if you have to.
bcgonynor 1 year ago 4
I cannot believe this guy's grandparents won't talk to him. They are terrible grandparents then and don't really love him.
TheJesusSucks 2 years ago 115
@TheJesusSucks
Most grandparents I'm familiar with don't actually love their grandkids. At least his are honest about it. Passive aggression is a bitch.
blapperz 1 year ago
@TheJesusSucks that's what religious beliefs can do to people...
bttrflykiss7701 1 year ago
@TheJesusSucks they love him just not more than god
MrReasonFTW 1 year ago
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real atheist does not make sense...why are you not mixing and mingling on a Friday night???...every atheist I know is angry...why???
nztexas1 2 years ago
@nztexas1 dont make sense all angery sounds like a closed minded Christian talking
mortyr045 2 years ago 3
@nztexas1 I'm an Atheist, and I'm not angry. Point made invalid.
TheRationalRant 2 years ago 2
@nztexas1 Maybe every Atheist you meet is angry because you piss them off.
TheRationalRant 2 years ago 129
@nztexas1 they are not "mingling" for the same reason ppl who don't believe-in bigfoot don't "mingle".
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
they only hate on atheist because they know we have all the evidence on our side and evolution woooo boy they cant stand that word
patrickledford420 2 years ago 5
@patrickledford420 yea Christians have 0 proof but yet in the bible the devil killed less then 11 peopel god killed whole citys
now whos bad by there own bible?
mortyr045 2 years ago 2
Well mike1tm, thats strike two according to your mythical fairytales. Do not unto others etcetera. Oh and yes, I'm calling you an idiot and delusional, since youve proven that in under two posts! That must be some kind of record! And again yes, teaching children to have faith in your or any other god (like Wodan, Amun-Ra, Zeus) must end now. The educational (read that word a couple of times) system is NOT to be used for indoctrination of any kind, especiallt regarding superstition. Idiot.
Svennusmax 2 years ago
I love how you morons call us delusional when you fools can't even grasp the basic concept of rationality. You say there is no God. How do you know that? You don't. So how to you claim the title atheist? Are you claiming absolute and complete knowledge of the universe (omniscience)? You have to if you say there is no God. What evidence do you have? None. Your whole idiotic atheistic position is based on nothing but simple abstract possibility. It is 100% intellectually indefensible.
miket1m 2 years ago
Dear biased person, you should really get your definitions straight, since you are making a complete idiot out of yourself. Again. An atheist has lack of belief in a god, since there is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim. An atheists believes as much in god as you believe in Thor. No atheist can ever say that there absolutely is no god, but noone can say either that Amun-Ra doesnt exist. Atheists seek truth through science, instead of claiming to know it all through the bible. Idiot.
Svennusmax 2 years ago
The burden of proof does not fall to us. We aren't the ones making the absurd claim. If I were to say fairies exist, I would have to provide evidence to support that claim. The skeptic would not be required to provide evidence they don't exist. Intelligent people do not believe in fairies because their is no evidence to justify that belief... I fail to see the difference between your belief in god and a belief in fairies, genies, or elves.
raider6504 2 years ago
The burden of proof falls on atheists too. They claim that the universe came from nothing, and that we are here by accident and not by design. That is just as bold of a claim as saying we were created. Neither atheists nor creationists can prove their claims...yet atheists like to think that they don't have to, while the creationists do. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Atheists have made an "absurd" claim that demands evidence too...that something came from nothing.
hotflame2009 2 years ago
The burden of proof is on you to prove that your sky-man exists.
filmstocker 2 years ago
The burden of proof is on you to prove that the universe came from nothing, and that our existence is an accident.
hotflame2009 2 years ago
We can observe the universe expanding and cooling. We have observable data to support the big bang theory. We claim the universe originated from pure energy. You claim something can never come from nothing, therefore a god who came from nothing must of created it. Even if you consider the claim to be absurd, which it likely was at one time, evidence has been provided to support it. Hence, it is no longer an absurd claim. Your claim however continues to be absurd.
raider6504 2 years ago
That still does not explain what caused the Big Bang, or what existed before it (if there was nothing, how could the Big Bang even occur?) No scientist can truly answer that question, yet atheists still make the claim that nothing existed, and something came from nothing. That is just as bold as saying we were created by an all powerful being. Neither are supported by evidence, and neither can be explained by science. Sorry, but the burden of proof lies on atheists as well.
hotflame2009 2 years ago
I am not a scientist, but scientists do not claim to have all the answers. Simply because we can not answer every question regarding the universe does not mean that by default there must be a god. The Big Bang theory is simply the best theory the scientific community has based on the observable and testable evidence. You can't observe and test a god. If new evidence were to surface, scientists would be willing to edit the theory, make it a law (if it were un-refutable) or articulate a new one.
raider6504 2 years ago
continued... you continue to miss the fact the big bang theory IS supported by evidence. I'm not exactly sure how saying there are things we simply don't know yet is absurd. I'm an anti-theist, not a scientist. To the main point, the only claim the atheist actually makes is that there is no god, which again, is not the absurd claim. It is the logical conclusion when evidence is not provided.
raider6504 2 years ago
I never said I reject the Big Bang theory (you automatically assumed I reject it). I said despite the fact that scientists don't know what caused the Big Bang, or what came before it...atheists claim that there was nothing before it and nothing caused it to happen, yet they don't expect the burden of proof to fall on them for their claims.
hotflame2009 2 years ago
You either believe that we are the creation of a divine being, or you believe that everything came from absolutely nothing. To say that one is absurd while the other is pure logic shows your bias. They are both beliefs that lack evidence and cannot be explained by science. They are both beliefs that neither atheists nor theists can prove or disprove. So, I say that the burden of proof lies on atheists just as much as it lies on creationists
hotflame2009 2 years ago
For the sake of argument, we will assume everything you have said is true. One group according to you believes something we can verifiably prove exists was either infinite or came from nothing, whereas you believe something unfounded and unprovable is either infinite or came from nothing. Assuming, according to you, these are the two options, who is taking the leap of faith, and who does the burden of proof rely on? If interested in continuing this send me a message. Pain in ass with limits.
raider6504 2 years ago
Ok, I will PM you.
hotflame2009 2 years ago
You can claim there is a hole under that rug in the hallway. Now I say there is no hole. Lets suppose for some reason that rug cannot be lifted up. So this hole cannot be investigated until one walks over it.
I personally would walk around or go back.. However the idea of a hole in a floor hidden by an object is plausible.
If you made the claim that if I walked over the rug, evil demons in the attic would kill me. I would not hesitate to walk over that rug. I am not a child.
RealistAtheist 2 years ago 4
If we both agree the Big Bang is the best scientific explanation regarding the origin of the universe, I don't see what we are going back and forth about. The only claim atheists make is that there is no evidence of a god, therefor there is no logical reason to assume one exists. We do not claim to have knowledge of the universe others are not privy to.
raider6504 2 years ago
@hotflame2009 By using the word accident you imply that a creator unwillingly created it, and we dont believe the universe came from nothing, I myself believe that nothingness is actually impossible, any how believing that a god just popped up is crazy.
flake452 2 years ago
I don't believe that a god just popped up. I believe God is eternal, and If you believe nothingness is impossible, than you must also believe in something that is eternal. When I used the word accident, I was not using the word in regards to God, I was using the word in regards to atheists. If you believe the universe did not come about as part of a plan or design, than you believe that it came about by accident.
BTW, I have met atheists who do believe that nothing existed before the big bang.
hotflame2009 2 years ago
Yes but the term accident imply's that a being must have done it, and when i said i believe that nothingness is impossible i did state that i believe that i dont know about anyone else, its all to do with time which at the moment is hard to understand but it no way even suggests any form of supernatural being.
flake452 2 years ago
I've met Christians who believe that the earth is flat. You know that this "I believe in nothing" is a mere strawman, pretty much created by Christians, possibly based on a few real people, not the norm, not anything worth mentioning.
E = mc^2. Energy can be converted to matter, and matter to energy. There is no need for a God, nor is there a need for "nothing." Both arguments are yours and they're both wrong.
Muchodelcrazy 2 years ago 2
BTW, I've met religious people who believe in witches. So what. People believe in crazy things.
WillSKB88 2 years ago
Intelligent creation has a flaw in logic. If we came from god where did god come from. "God always existed" well that answer doesn't follow your logic that intelligence and "perfectness" has to be created.
If our intelligence is a gift from god where did his intelligence come from. It didn't just magically appear did it?
If something looks like it was designed such as god then there must be a designer. This argument is flawed. There must be natural properties that caused an event creation.
RealistAtheist 2 years ago
There is no one on the internet that is more idiotic than a self proclaimed, self centered, delusional, "its all about me" atheist.
"Look at me, I'm so intellectual. I don't believe God exists."
What I really can't stand is the arrogance and the nastiness of you ass clowns and how you, in your fantasy world, think science in some odd way endorses your atheism. Give me a thumbs down on this one too you little cry baby girls.
miket1m 2 years ago
Right. Us atheists raise churches. Us atheists claim we can "save" you. Us atheists claim that our god is the only one and you MUST obey, or suffer forever. Us atheists (and with that line you killed me) are living in a fantasy world (LOL). Us atheists refuse believers in public offices. Oh wait... that's you guys! Now, think sloooowly, who is the arrogant one here?The *burden of proof* for god lies with you, not I. Since *science* IS on our side. And you claiming thats weird only supports that.
Svennusmax 2 years ago
How are we the delusional ones? We aren't the ones claiming there is an all-knowing magic man in the sky...
raider6504 2 years ago 2