A few thousand people are still playing, despite Mythic's use of the nerf stick.
I played for 9 years and finally left. I got tired of the nerfs, as did many thousands of other players.
Mythic listened to the whiner boards [VN] and used the nerf stick too often. Don't misunderstand, that board has some good people, Mythic listened to the wrong ones.
For me the core of the game was community and New Frontiers, however, with nerf after nerf a toon becomes less pleasing to play.
Left Axe actually got un-nerfed and was fixed to scale up in damage properly. Zerkers are again top of the food chain of the light tanks. Been playing mine a lot lately. Silence charge + Charge + Banespike with 2h and Vendo pretty much two hits anything in the game except Heros and Armsmen. Averaging 3k damage in two swings. And believe it or not, Thane's just got some love in the latest patch yesterday. Their weapon damage for Hammer spec got buffed.
this game is still around and it is still a great game those that wonder about it should come back go to the herald and get the game its a free download now and you can do a free trial to decide if its what you miss or if youd rather play wow
I really miss this game, I stopped playing on kay about 4 years ago and tried to get back into it but no one plays anymore. Seems wow has taken most of us, which sucks b/c the pvp was legendary and still is!!!!!!!!
Hey all everyone who misses to good old pre toa days there is a free server called uthgard that is classic with old frontiers and in the next couple of weeks will also have old RA's, there are like 850 people online on a monday nights which is mad lol.... its like the good old days :)
I love this game, hard to find this atmosphere today, celtic legends are close to europian hearth
today there are much more and maybe better games in gaming style but camelot is only ONE
I remember when I was playing, I actually was there, discovering a fairy world close to my hearth
even though wow and lineage and dunno, conan or whatever has better gaming style and game systems and everything, none of those can offer you that feeling
Nice to see you guys actually got everyone together... no one assjamed something. Ywain recently tried to do a funeral run through frontiers and it got trashed....
Yep. Join the supercluster mate, I just came back from a major break and had the exact same feelings you mentioned. I'm playing albion these days and I've noticed A LOT of new people, like people who's never even tried it before. Had a stroll through Camelot last night and there was loads of people there, even lagged some, lol.
@Flicker455 nice i'm about to join the super cluster i havn't played since uhh shit whats that expansion called ya i can't even remember expansion names its been so long cya in game
Last time I played this was in 2004. I went WOW but WoW is too dumbed down. Wanted to see some vids...nostalga, but think im going to MO and give it a try.
The graphics are still good, but I didn't play the game for the looks, I played for the online experience and solid gameplay. I would love to go back for another go. But I need a credit card hehe.
wow man. i posted this 7 months ago and you come back with that? pathetic. takes you long enough eh? and about your youtube. Im not getting off because i have over 200+ subs unlike you i have to entertain. I'd like to see you take me off.
I remember the day this happened. Me, my dad, my brother and my sister all logged on to our accounts that night and went on to guild chat, got a group going, and went into an rvr area. But in Rvr, nobody was fighting. the characters decided to hug eachother instead. I dunno if anyone else was around when it happened, but its something that won't easily shake from memory
Nice vid', i was not playing in those time, i started 5 months before SI, and that's a thing that i really missed.
A long long war started this year, ye she's close to be ended now, but i'll remember that game all my life, epic fights and a great community in the beginning, that was perfect.
I still play DAOC, but i miss those times, well, miss u DAOC, today, the game isn't the same.
they're renewing the Dark Age of Camelot style of gameplay with 2008 quality in Warhammer Online... you could always try that. Keeps/Seiges, instanced scenarios, Realm vs. Realm conflict, all that good stuff.
sadly they failed miserably its more like wowhammer and really has nothing daoc about it :p daoc is ftw, hopefully origins will come out but i doubt it , i play devon which is packed, and will play till it dies
try uthgard! its a freeshard, running since 2003. we only offer the real classic stuff, not even SI is added right now (it will be added when we`ve programmed it perfect, we are working on it)... just google uthgard :)
Yeah we were all up at 9 doing grondor when the news hit the tank just stopped we all died no one cared...we just went back to rvr in emain macha and no one was fighting
true but I'm guessing that all my friends have quit that game .. kinda a shame though because it was the first real MMO that I played and was addicted to it non-stop
"hey dude they made classic servers where there is no ToA or /20 now, really awesome"
Still not the same. It was mainly the people that I played with for years that made the game so great. There all gone now and without them the game feels empty.
hey guys, I played DAoC a while back, and im looking too get back into it, im wanting too buy a lvl 50 account, or mid too low 40's preferably just 1 or 2 50's (so it;s not too expensive) im looking too pay by check so him me up on my aim so we can work out details and a price, thanks!!
I would have mezz aoe stunn and bombed that shiz personally if it wasnt 9/11 and i wasnt on Mordred lol. I quit playing DaOC about 1 year ago and it has gone down in population unfortunatly.
this game was probably the best game i've ever played. the ONLY downside to it now, is that not many people know about it, and it is very underpopulated...im going to get DAoC back though :D it rules.. and it always will
LOL, my wife made this video. Ceri Swiftblades, Merc, Albion Iseult. This was made without fraps as it wasn't around back then. Just two pc's with one running video capture.
despite the fact i hate hibs... im glad they got off their pompous asses and helped with this.. it was very touching.. i wish i could have been there.. but alass... my hometown was having a ceremony... so i was there instead
hibs only fight alone cause mythic and ea have showerved them with overpowered stuff you moron. for example vampiirs, wtf? can kill almost any class (templated or not) without help. overpowered. Animists. dont fight, they use teh shrooms for that! Gay.
Also, the fucking lurikeens. they made them soooo small that they can generaly hide behind a damned brick. why? cause mythic didnt want them to be seen when they cant stealth. Gay. also, how they have so much damn health as stealthers? also gay.
AND those bastards that kill the lowbies in DF and NF when they just trying to get a few fucking levels? this seems to be 9/10 of your players, i do however, commend the hibbies that know whats right and wrong (1/10) and dont do that. frankly, if you do, (and im quite sure you do) then you are a fat ass pussy like the guy on the WoW southpark episode. so FUCK YOU
almost forgot, albs only swarm to survive ya faggot. Only cause if they dont, u guys gank them with your far-fetched spell ranges, your insta aoe roots, stuns, and mezzes, and basicaly use mythics love to kill anyone else you feel like killing. whenever albs or mids try to solo theres ALWAYS 1-2 fgs of fucking hibs chasing their asses so dont you say u dont swarm either you asshole
Great Video. I have always respected how hundreds of people from each realm will go out and meet each other with NO BATTLE, to make a video like this out of respect. I am re-opening my DAOC accounts to play again.
Great video. I still play DAOC, I feel it is still a great game. It was the first MMO game i ever played, and ive been playing for 5 and a half years i would like to say. Crazy its been that long. No other game i have played so far has got me hooked like DAOC
well I like the game alot "back then" I guesse because It was the first time I had played an mmo. also it was before TOA which I didn't really felt fitted into the whole lore of daoc, but oh well :P
Yeah, it was my first mmorpg as well, was like 12, and got to level 5, the expansions arn't really a bad thing, they made it to much like EQ , the real game didn't start till level 50, and to get to 50 was this massive, scary ,impossible grind.
One of the earliest video's made from MMO Game footage, before Fraps even existed. This film is from 9/11/02 on Dark Age of Camelot (DAOC) Iseult Server.
Please keep in mind the following... Be thankful what we have and what we have not lost = P Our sense of community as human beings in a world of Diversity. Our family, our friends wherever they may be, our faith in religon and ourselves and most importantly our strive to live on!
I play everyday and its great, been playing since release. I've tried other games but I always end up back in DAoC.
supergfunk 1 month ago
A few thousand people are still playing, despite Mythic's use of the nerf stick.
I played for 9 years and finally left. I got tired of the nerfs, as did many thousands of other players.
Mythic listened to the whiner boards [VN] and used the nerf stick too often. Don't misunderstand, that board has some good people, Mythic listened to the wrong ones.
For me the core of the game was community and New Frontiers, however, with nerf after nerf a toon becomes less pleasing to play.
ZZstaff 6 months ago
@ZZstaff it all started with the left axe nerf back in 02 and got worse since then. i havent played since 2003 but still miss it
dieselboy87 1 month ago
@dieselboy87
Left Axe actually got un-nerfed and was fixed to scale up in damage properly. Zerkers are again top of the food chain of the light tanks. Been playing mine a lot lately. Silence charge + Charge + Banespike with 2h and Vendo pretty much two hits anything in the game except Heros and Armsmen. Averaging 3k damage in two swings. And believe it or not, Thane's just got some love in the latest patch yesterday. Their weapon damage for Hammer spec got buffed.
Cirux321 3 days ago
almost shed a tear watching this
marktorresx 11 months ago
I remeber this event. It was a special time. Great game & great community still.
cariade 1 year ago
Miss you Daoc! Go Hibbies of Guinevere!
Eijianthony 1 year ago
I still play this game.. its just all the old servers are archived.. so you gotta /freexfer them
hunterprime 1 year ago
dark age of camelot 2... coming 2015. so keep your heads up!
Sebsen19 1 year ago
@Sebsen19 afaik , they already did that (war) and it sucked.
Excited22 1 year ago
@Sebsen19 rofl no its not, it got canceled by EA.
Zyfrig 1 year ago
@Sebsen19 Lol.
AionLyth 1 year ago
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ace28usa 1 year ago
this game is still around and it is still a great game those that wonder about it should come back go to the herald and get the game its a free download now and you can do a free trial to decide if its what you miss or if youd rather play wow
ace28usa 1 year ago
I really miss this game, I stopped playing on kay about 4 years ago and tried to get back into it but no one plays anymore. Seems wow has taken most of us, which sucks b/c the pvp was legendary and still is!!!!!!!!
MrNacnud 1 year ago
Damn i miss playing this game. i loved it sooo much then wow came and everyone left.. i wish it was still like it was in this video. DoAC kicks ass.
tvanam09 1 year ago
Great sense of community back in those days.... long gone now.... Rest in Peace DAOC, will never forget you.
drack610 1 year ago
Hey all everyone who misses to good old pre toa days there is a free server called uthgard that is classic with old frontiers and in the next couple of weeks will also have old RA's, there are like 850 people online on a monday nights which is mad lol.... its like the good old days :)
just type uthgard in google for how to join
lfinn2 1 year ago
Nothing to lose by giving the supercluster a try, there's a 14-day free trial. (It got me hooked... :0
jessedaoc 1 year ago
I love this game, hard to find this atmosphere today, celtic legends are close to europian hearth
today there are much more and maybe better games in gaming style but camelot is only ONE
I remember when I was playing, I actually was there, discovering a fairy world close to my hearth
even though wow and lineage and dunno, conan or whatever has better gaming style and game systems and everything, none of those can offer you that feeling
regomn 2 years ago 9
so true
Hexaglot1 2 years ago
@regomn I agree, I can't find a game that can replace DAoC, so I returned to DAoC. I don't care if it's dying...
M4c30fB453 1 year ago
Nice to see you guys actually got everyone together... no one assjamed something. Ywain recently tried to do a funeral run through frontiers and it got trashed....
nachoo31 2 years ago
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9/11 was an inside job tho
MidgarAdept 2 years ago
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lotro, best mmo out
GodisGood2468 2 years ago
I can remember a time when I thought of nothing else but DAoC... I still miss it to this day but are there people still playing it? :(
alexrogan1 2 years ago 7
Yep. Join the supercluster mate, I just came back from a major break and had the exact same feelings you mentioned. I'm playing albion these days and I've noticed A LOT of new people, like people who's never even tried it before. Had a stroll through Camelot last night and there was loads of people there, even lagged some, lol.
Flicker455 2 years ago
@Flicker455 nice i'm about to join the super cluster i havn't played since uhh shit whats that expansion called ya i can't even remember expansion names its been so long cya in game
bebopola 1 year ago
there was Asheron's Call, Ever quest and Anarchy Online.
jackpipsam 2 years ago
@alexrogan1 There are still around 3000 players
M4c30fB453 1 year ago
@alexrogan1 Same.... i started my MMO life on DAoC, i always wondered what it would be like to go back.
baroni08 1 year ago
@alexrogan1 yes, uthgard freeshard has daoc classic running withh 900~ ppl in the evening
Valdris1987 8 months ago
@alexrogan1 YES DAOC is alive and kicking!!!
avelloch 1 month ago
Last time I played this was in 2004. I went WOW but WoW is too dumbed down. Wanted to see some vids...nostalga, but think im going to MO and give it a try.
kumarsa108 2 years ago
Same here. :)
Zyfrig 2 years ago
The graphics are still good, but I didn't play the game for the looks, I played for the online experience and solid gameplay. I would love to go back for another go. But I need a credit card hehe.
pspboy7 2 years ago
DAoC has its place in history as been the first MMO with good fx.
jackpipsam 2 years ago
is this game still fun or has it changed alot cause im thinking about switching from warhammer to DAOC
mikewithyi 2 years ago
It's still lots of fun, this game will never die
tone1979 2 years ago
was the funniest day of my life......really. I was on a trip during my country, was free and with the nature. Best experience ever...
BreakToTheBasic 2 years ago
are you fucking stupid? this happened in 01...
vtc220 3 years ago
hey jackass there is a logical reason he put 02 asshole. Dont be a hater.
SSKulom 3 years ago
stfu. idiot. get the fuck off my youtube.
vtc220 2 years ago
wow man. i posted this 7 months ago and you come back with that? pathetic. takes you long enough eh? and about your youtube. Im not getting off because i have over 200+ subs unlike you i have to entertain. I'd like to see you take me off.
SSKulom 2 years ago
I remember the day this happened. Me, my dad, my brother and my sister all logged on to our accounts that night and went on to guild chat, got a group going, and went into an rvr area. But in Rvr, nobody was fighting. the characters decided to hug eachother instead. I dunno if anyone else was around when it happened, but its something that won't easily shake from memory
Ocarinaplayingwriter 3 years ago
I was there, on Merlin alb
fodakahn 2 years ago
yah, i know they are bringing OF back and all... but the original zeitgeist of 2001 - 2002 is gone forever.
hraith 3 years ago
Nice vid', i was not playing in those time, i started 5 months before SI, and that's a thing that i really missed.
A long long war started this year, ye she's close to be ended now, but i'll remember that game all my life, epic fights and a great community in the beginning, that was perfect.
I still play DAOC, but i miss those times, well, miss u DAOC, today, the game isn't the same.
Klysthie 3 years ago
They are bringing OF back.
madstanwan 3 years ago
Is this a pay to play game ? and is it fun id like to know
plz reply
enasen 3 years ago
they're renewing the Dark Age of Camelot style of gameplay with 2008 quality in Warhammer Online... you could always try that. Keeps/Seiges, instanced scenarios, Realm vs. Realm conflict, all that good stuff.
breastinspector2 3 years ago
sadly they failed miserably its more like wowhammer and really has nothing daoc about it :p daoc is ftw, hopefully origins will come out but i doubt it , i play devon which is packed, and will play till it dies
legionare88 2 years ago
for all of you who want real classic:
try uthgard! its a freeshard, running since 2003. we only offer the real classic stuff, not even SI is added right now (it will be added when we`ve programmed it perfect, we are working on it)... just google uthgard :)
TheSchaf 3 years ago 3
this movie is beffore they updated so its way better now.
DAOCman11 3 years ago
very good movie
tranos 3 years ago
the game is amazing.. its a shame that the graphics suck cause better graphics it would be 1000000000000x times better then wow
StreetRampMafia 4 years ago 2
warhammer online is coming out [ made my d same peeps and its got savage graphics AND RVR[pvp]]
sirflano13 3 years ago 2
Yes but they're making the game look like a damn cartoon like WoW. XD
purplg 3 years ago
The graphics got upgraded several times, easily some of the best graphics in the market right now.
SignusMelko 3 years ago 2
well this is from 02, the grafics are improved alot sence :P
prizze 3 years ago
Yeah we were all up at 9 doing grondor when the news hit the tank just stopped we all died no one cared...we just went back to rvr in emain macha and no one was fighting
Noold 4 years ago
Wow i reamber this day are hole guild got to together and went down to this no one was figting and i mena nooo one
Batler
Quate
Respeedo
brianBG 4 years ago
sigh missed the old DAoC so much ToA ruined it for everyone :( moved to WoW ... but would drop it in a heart beat if DAoC was like it used to be :P
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Final Revelation
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mikelching 4 years ago
hey dude they made classic servers where there is no ToA or /20 now, really awesome
lkterri 4 years ago
true but I'm guessing that all my friends have quit that game .. kinda a shame though because it was the first real MMO that I played and was addicted to it non-stop
used to play 30 hrs straight on this
mikelching 4 years ago
"hey dude they made classic servers where there is no ToA or /20 now, really awesome"
Still not the same. It was mainly the people that I played with for years that made the game so great. There all gone now and without them the game feels empty.
Cirux321 3 years ago
this brought joy to my heart and tears to my eyes. i remember doing this on my server. happy times and sad times for the dead of 9/11
ristoman156 4 years ago
ahh reminds me of old days in daoc :) have been thinking about gonna start playing again..
Haan0r 4 years ago
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hey guys, I played DAoC a while back, and im looking too get back into it, im wanting too buy a lvl 50 account, or mid too low 40's preferably just 1 or 2 50's (so it;s not too expensive) im looking too pay by check so him me up on my aim so we can work out details and a price, thanks!!
kevink0 4 years ago
Cool vid. Reminds me of another one about a man that died of cancer and his guild posted a vid with him playing his toon.
Boonedale 4 years ago 2
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LOL dex u made me laugh, this game does suck.. ;/
dirtynig92 4 years ago
i dnt see hw u can say that...i dnt really know anyone who hates the game
boarizback 4 years ago
oh the game looks awful btw.
coldbrewbeer 4 years ago
No shit Sherlock, the game is like 6 fucking years old now, although with each expansion they also updated the graphics.
The game sucks now, but even with all the changes, the PvP in DAoC is still better than the PvP in WoW.
Hexum19 4 years ago
what did you expected if this game was from 2000 ? ... there was no expasions yet dude.. Think before comment
DaocInf 2 years ago
why is there such a large group of people standing around doing nothing?
coldbrewbeer 4 years ago
what you don't realize is that it's large groups of people from the different realms.. no one's fighting ;)
jbwooten89 4 years ago
I would have mezz aoe stunn and bombed that shiz personally if it wasnt 9/11 and i wasnt on Mordred lol. I quit playing DaOC about 1 year ago and it has gone down in population unfortunatly.
Fehoy 4 years ago
this game was probably the best game i've ever played. the ONLY downside to it now, is that not many people know about it, and it is very underpopulated...im going to get DAoC back though :D it rules.. and it always will
KidsMystic 4 years ago 2
yerr they need to know how to advertise lol but true it is best game
boarizback 4 years ago
i understand the purpose for the vid...just wanted to get this off my AoE spamming mind...
can anyone say mezz ball/AoE bomb?????
lol j/k nice vid :)
Ethrieal 4 years ago 2
They you should start play on Lyonesse, german Server, everything you said doesn't count there!!!
So stop complaining!
Fethwipe
Destrian20k 4 years ago
LOL, my wife made this video. Ceri Swiftblades, Merc, Albion Iseult. This was made without fraps as it wasn't around back then. Just two pc's with one running video capture.
Allmetalweaver 4 years ago 2
./wave @ Ceri thx for the video Glanowyn's group also uploaded one too
mikelching 4 years ago
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thanks for reminding me what a pile of shit that game was
dexflamelame 4 years ago
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shut the fuk up u fag...bet u play WoW atm dont u
boarizback 4 years ago
despite the fact i hate hibs... im glad they got off their pompous asses and helped with this.. it was very touching.. i wish i could have been there.. but alass... my hometown was having a ceremony... so i was there instead
daemonxblaze 4 years ago 3
Ew! hibs! someone kill them before they cheat some more! too late x.x
Slicevicious 4 years ago
wtf are you talking about, albs are the cheaters all they do is swarm they never have the courage to fight alone as the hibernians do
Froggz114 4 years ago
hibs only fight alone cause mythic and ea have showerved them with overpowered stuff you moron. for example vampiirs, wtf? can kill almost any class (templated or not) without help. overpowered. Animists. dont fight, they use teh shrooms for that! Gay.
Slicevicious 4 years ago
Also, the fucking lurikeens. they made them soooo small that they can generaly hide behind a damned brick. why? cause mythic didnt want them to be seen when they cant stealth. Gay. also, how they have so much damn health as stealthers? also gay.
Slicevicious 4 years ago
AND those bastards that kill the lowbies in DF and NF when they just trying to get a few fucking levels? this seems to be 9/10 of your players, i do however, commend the hibbies that know whats right and wrong (1/10) and dont do that. frankly, if you do, (and im quite sure you do) then you are a fat ass pussy like the guy on the WoW southpark episode. so FUCK YOU
Slicevicious 4 years ago
almost forgot, albs only swarm to survive ya faggot. Only cause if they dont, u guys gank them with your far-fetched spell ranges, your insta aoe roots, stuns, and mezzes, and basicaly use mythics love to kill anyone else you feel like killing. whenever albs or mids try to solo theres ALWAYS 1-2 fgs of fucking hibs chasing their asses so dont you say u dont swarm either you asshole
Slicevicious 4 years ago
Fantastic, whats the song in this video?
christssouljahz 4 years ago 2
The song title and author is at the end of the video.
Cirux321 4 years ago
Absolutely stunning... Brought tears to my eyes... I LOVE this game for this reason.
Scourge86 4 years ago
hahaha waiting to port was so much fun! daoc was the best game.
GeOf528 4 years ago 2
I remember when we did that. It turned out really good. Ceri was the one who had the idea to video it.
Cirux321 4 years ago
old daoc ftw :D fantastic movie brings back old memories <3
pencotia 4 years ago 2
That was a nice game, before TOA, and with the classic servers
Room20 4 years ago
LoL ... old memories :p
FantasyOuTTaCoNtRoL 4 years ago
how did you get evryone do do that without fighting?
frozenfarm 4 years ago
Roleplaying server probably :P
DonF72 4 years ago 3
It's on Iseult...
itblost 4 years ago 3
God.... I miss Old Frontiers too.
coryves 4 years ago
Great Video. I have always respected how hundreds of people from each realm will go out and meet each other with NO BATTLE, to make a video like this out of respect. I am re-opening my DAOC accounts to play again.
coryves 4 years ago
i love this game, whish people still played
cariade 4 years ago 3
I was a Highlander Pally on Iseult around 04-05 didnt get all that far (lvl 30)... it was my 1st mmo
i play WoW now.
I'd play Camelot if it was like it used to be.
NBW71791 4 years ago 3
fuck yea, thats rps baby!
Lohrownnzzzz 4 years ago
Great video, I love it.. Wish daoc was still like that all new expantions killing it fast..
Habrus 4 years ago
Its respect mate
Habrus 4 years ago
bring a tear to my eye... =((miss those days
bobthebuilderxx 5 years ago
Great video. I still play DAOC, I feel it is still a great game. It was the first MMO game i ever played, and ive been playing for 5 and a half years i would like to say. Crazy its been that long. No other game i have played so far has got me hooked like DAOC
rodrigosilversword 5 years ago
May we never forget through work and play, our fallen friends who died that day.
Blondefireangel1969 5 years ago
Wow...really great video. REd, whaty do you mean by "back then?"
heheitooted 5 years ago
well I like the game alot "back then" I guesse because It was the first time I had played an mmo. also it was before TOA which I didn't really felt fitted into the whole lore of daoc, but oh well :P
Red171 5 years ago
Yeah, it was my first mmorpg as well, was like 12, and got to level 5, the expansions arn't really a bad thing, they made it to much like EQ , the real game didn't start till level 50, and to get to 50 was this massive, scary ,impossible grind.
Stantzs 4 years ago
now to get 50 takes 1-2 weeks, less if you play a lot
crow6128 4 years ago
That's how long it took 2 years ago :P
DonF72 4 years ago
files . filefront . com / 6488913 <remove spaces>
Crankybeef 5 years ago
persina, it's respect
Fobo2k 5 years ago
Love daoc...good memories.
narinkil 5 years ago
(teholdsedare) this was when i had my old account. This was a day to be remembered.
Good to see old stuff still lives.
mrjangles1 5 years ago
DAoC was such a good game back then.
Red171 5 years ago
great video!
Red171 5 years ago
One of the earliest video's made from MMO Game footage, before Fraps even existed. This film is from 9/11/02 on Dark Age of Camelot (DAOC) Iseult Server.
Please keep in mind the following... Be thankful what we have and what we have not lost = P Our sense of community as human beings in a world of Diversity. Our family, our friends wherever they may be, our faith in religon and ourselves and most importantly our strive to live on!
Crankybeef 5 years ago