What about Jan Svankmajer's 1988 version (called simply 'Alice')?! It's better than all the rest put together. I'd also recommend Dennis Potter's wonderful 'Dreamchild' (1985), a cinematic adaptation of his earlier 'Alice' script.
There was an x-rated version of Alice around the early 70's. Kristine DeBell played Alice. Believe she was a model then. It played at the local theater but was rated R due to the fact Maryland was the only state that had a censor board. The board consisted of one older lady. Johnny Carson sometimes made jokes about her during the monologues. The movie was corny, had some nudity, a lot cut due to the board. I was probably around 21!
I really liked the 1999 version, can't wait to see what Burton's got in store for us. Love all the different ways you can show these two stories of Alice.
I would like to see a critic of Jan Švankmajer's surrealistic stop motion "Něco z Alenky" ("Alice", 1988), John Henderson's modern, surrealistic and slightly melencholic tv adaption "Alice through the Looking Glass" with Kate Beckinsale (Channel 4, UK 1998), Jonathan Miller's version, "What a nice kid doing like a place like that?" from Hannah Barbara and "Dreamchild" from you. :DDD
I love Dreamchild, I think it was so beautiful that Alice Liddell was played in an Alice film, It was touching. I love Alice Liddell, she used to come on holiday in a dollshouse looking house somewhere a short drive from me when she was little, but last year that house got knocked down, it was horrible :'( it's al bricks and rubble now. It makes me sad to see it. But I like imagining her footsteps around the area! :)
The 1933 film had a 'Father William and Son 'scene cut from the film,a big white puppy dog scene,a 'possible' Lion And The Unicorn scene cut, and a scene with Alice's sister 'at the end talking to Miss Simpson' was also also.The clips from the film here look like they were taken from a trailer that's never been seen before.
He just proved what I've always known,the Paramount 1933 version is still the best ever done because you don't see all the actors unlike the 85 and 99 versions which are awful.And the effects in the 33 film have never been topped.Needs a good dvd release.The 33 film was originally 90min but cut after a preview so it wasn't really crammed together as it looks in the cut 76 version.
Nice overview of Alice films, but all the 1985-bashing hurt. That's actually my favorite one, and I find it to be a lot more faithful to the books than you suggest. It adds to the books more than it deletes or alters, making it the most complete adaptation created thus far. On the contrary, I find the 1999 one rather frustrating as the original material didn't mesh well with Carroll's prose, and the moral seem more ham-fisted in that one than in the '85 one.
With all due respect, I think movietvlover's comments on the 85 version is dead on. And it was in some ways a ripoff from an earlier tv musical version of Through the Looking-Glass, especially with the Jabberwock, which originally was just a character in a poem Alice reads, becoming Alice's nemesis instead of the Red Queen. I'm surprised that that version wasn't included just for the novelty of it.
Thank you for this video. ^^ I love all the works of Lewis Carrol, especially his works on Alice.. Though I rather liked the first book better than Through the looking glass, because it wasn't as confusing.
I'm guessing that Tim Burton is just going to over exaggerate his version of Alice... but who knows? :P maybe not.
Tim Burton's version will be a sequel to "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" and "Through the Looking Glass and what Alice found there": Alice is 17, her father died, she is at a garden party, where a young Lord named Hamish proposed to her. She sees Nivens McTwisp, the White Rabbit and follow him to "Underland"; a place that Alice meet 10 years before, but she does'nt remember it. Underland is under the control of Queen Iracebeth of Crims, who bannend her sister Marina of Marmoreal.
Its amazing how many there are and to think there's more coming, I can't wait to see Tim Burton's one with Johnny Depp. This has to be my favorite Movie. Its just so different from most movie and book ideas.
The silent film is my absolute favourite. I also adore Jan Svankmajer's adaption.
I'm not looking forward to Burton's, I love his work, but am not looking forward to a CGI Wonderland. I like it when wonderland feels like a real enviroment that I could fid myself in, and computer generated things dont feel magical to me.
I like the older adaptions with fantastical sets and costumes that you could almost touch if you wanted to :)
Maybe so... but It looks to be mainly CGI, and its just not my cup of tea, what Ive seen of it doesnt feel like wonderland for me, plus Im not to sure about the story Burton's made up with Dodgson's characters, It just doesnt feel right to me. :)
I also get annoyed and saddened, because half of the people suddenly becoming 'huge' alice fans because of it dont even reolise it's a book written by Lewis Carroll, it makes me feel sad for Charles Dodgson (LC).
I'm also American but I can honestly state that Disney and mediocre Hollywood adaptations will never surpass artistically uncompromised renditions of the source material, for example the Czechoslovakia version titled "Alice" directed by Jan Svankmajer would have never seen the light of day if made in the United States because this country doesn't care about meaningful film and it hasn't since the studios drove Orson Welles out of the system.
There is also the Jan Svenkmeyer version called 'Alice', which has a really dark feel to it, using stop motion animation and live-action alike. I also saw a russian version as a ballet which was not very comprehensive but was still amusing. On top of which there was a bio pic called 'Dreamchild' that covered the 100th anniversary of Carroll's birth and Alice's experiences with Carroll through disturbing flashbacks.
ring starr was in the 85 version, i loved that version, it was an all star cast. but the book is so much better. the 1999 version was really good, the costumes and graphics were wonderful. but the 1st silent file was pretty freakin badass. and what about walt disney's alice in wonderland? i thought that should have been on there. its one of the most important ones of all. i understand that i didnt go by the book but it should have been mention. that movie is very important.
Excellent commentary. I'm a bit of an ALICE buff myself, and I have to say that was a fine selection of ALICE versions you chose to comment on. I think there's enough versions floating around though, to have a second commentary, including the 1966 British version which is rarely screened nowadays, and the ghastly Hanna-Barbara cartoon ALICE IN WONDERLAND OR WHAT"S A NICE GIRL LIKE YOU DOING IN A PLACE LIKE THIS?
There is also one done by jan svankmajer, not very faithful to the books, but really fun and dark surrealist stuff. I think it's an interesting take on the books. Might have an influence on the burton film, too; he sites svankmajer as an influence when he is asked- and I can totally see that.
Interesting, there was a few you left out, a creepy 1 made in the 80's and they made another 1 staring the Nichole Kidman. There also making another one soon called Alice based after the game
What about Jan Svankmajer's 1988 version (called simply 'Alice')?! It's better than all the rest put together. I'd also recommend Dennis Potter's wonderful 'Dreamchild' (1985), a cinematic adaptation of his earlier 'Alice' script.
StonefieldJim4 1 month ago
Have you seen Burton's version when it came out?
steveclips 1 year ago
i loveeeeee the 1915 version!:)
TheRainbowzeebra 1 year ago
I loved the 1985 version, so there!
Shoknifeman 1 year ago
AHHH!!, y falta una versión de las antiguas que es la mejor de todas!!!!!!! y en ningún lugar aparece!!!
LAUSMUSICART 1 year ago
what happened to 1966?
tutucrybaby 1 year ago
i'm being impressed by the 1948 version,
the looking of the White Rabbit scares me.
2133115 2 years ago
There was an x-rated version of Alice around the early 70's. Kristine DeBell played Alice. Believe she was a model then. It played at the local theater but was rated R due to the fact Maryland was the only state that had a censor board. The board consisted of one older lady. Johnny Carson sometimes made jokes about her during the monologues. The movie was corny, had some nudity, a lot cut due to the board. I was probably around 21!
ILoveLauriePartridge 2 years ago
Very good! The 1933 version is my favorite too. It scared me when was very young! Use to see it on TCM years ago but not any more.
ILoveLauriePartridge 2 years ago
I really liked the 1999 version, can't wait to see what Burton's got in store for us. Love all the different ways you can show these two stories of Alice.
zinnycat1597 2 years ago
I would like to see a critic of Jan Švankmajer's surrealistic stop motion "Něco z Alenky" ("Alice", 1988), John Henderson's modern, surrealistic and slightly melencholic tv adaption "Alice through the Looking Glass" with Kate Beckinsale (Channel 4, UK 1998), Jonathan Miller's version, "What a nice kid doing like a place like that?" from Hannah Barbara and "Dreamchild" from you. :DDD
Adler36 2 years ago 3
hey this was pretty helpful thanks! definitely check out the 1966 version
emmmizzle 2 years ago
You skipped the Jan Svankmajer version! That one was by far the wierdest. Also, the 1966 adaptation by Jonathan Miller was very, very interesting.
megawhoosits 2 years ago 4
I actually think Dreamchild was the weirdest. NEVER see it, those puppets are still haunting my nightmares!
PoninetheEuroQueen 2 years ago
I love Dreamchild, I think it was so beautiful that Alice Liddell was played in an Alice film, It was touching. I love Alice Liddell, she used to come on holiday in a dollshouse looking house somewhere a short drive from me when she was little, but last year that house got knocked down, it was horrible :'( it's al bricks and rubble now. It makes me sad to see it. But I like imagining her footsteps around the area! :)
sorry abit of a ramble!! lol
MushroomMai 2 years ago
I just added another to this list, go to my page to see a trailer for the Indie film entitled "In Wonderland"
It will soon after have the entire 33 min. film posted after September 18, 2009.
funudafilms 2 years ago
The 1933 film had a 'Father William and Son 'scene cut from the film,a big white puppy dog scene,a 'possible' Lion And The Unicorn scene cut, and a scene with Alice's sister 'at the end talking to Miss Simpson' was also also.The clips from the film here look like they were taken from a trailer that's never been seen before.
12dave9 2 years ago
He just proved what I've always known,the Paramount 1933 version is still the best ever done because you don't see all the actors unlike the 85 and 99 versions which are awful.And the effects in the 33 film have never been topped.Needs a good dvd release.The 33 film was originally 90min but cut after a preview so it wasn't really crammed together as it looks in the cut 76 version.
12dave9 2 years ago
@12dave9
Yeah, and the DVD should also have the full 90 min film.
Jangwoofilms 1 year ago
Nice overview of Alice films, but all the 1985-bashing hurt. That's actually my favorite one, and I find it to be a lot more faithful to the books than you suggest. It adds to the books more than it deletes or alters, making it the most complete adaptation created thus far. On the contrary, I find the 1999 one rather frustrating as the original material didn't mesh well with Carroll's prose, and the moral seem more ham-fisted in that one than in the '85 one.
Aiwkid 2 years ago
With all due respect, I think movietvlover's comments on the 85 version is dead on. And it was in some ways a ripoff from an earlier tv musical version of Through the Looking-Glass, especially with the Jabberwock, which originally was just a character in a poem Alice reads, becoming Alice's nemesis instead of the Red Queen. I'm surprised that that version wasn't included just for the novelty of it.
trinitymplayers 2 years ago
Oh yes, the "Alice through the Looking Glass" tv musical version from 1966 as well!!!
Adler36 2 years ago
Thank you for this video. ^^ I love all the works of Lewis Carrol, especially his works on Alice.. Though I rather liked the first book better than Through the looking glass, because it wasn't as confusing.
I'm guessing that Tim Burton is just going to over exaggerate his version of Alice... but who knows? :P maybe not.
dimesonmygrassXx 2 years ago
Tim Burton's version will be a sequel to "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" and "Through the Looking Glass and what Alice found there": Alice is 17, her father died, she is at a garden party, where a young Lord named Hamish proposed to her. She sees Nivens McTwisp, the White Rabbit and follow him to "Underland"; a place that Alice meet 10 years before, but she does'nt remember it. Underland is under the control of Queen Iracebeth of Crims, who bannend her sister Marina of Marmoreal.
Adler36 2 years ago
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Adler36 2 years ago
I love the "Through the Looking Glass"-Version with Kate Beckinsale from 1998.
Adler36 2 years ago
Its amazing how many there are and to think there's more coming, I can't wait to see Tim Burton's one with Johnny Depp. This has to be my favorite Movie. Its just so different from most movie and book ideas.
BiteMeCullen107 2 years ago
where can i find these versions? please tell me!
chrystabelle42 2 years ago
The silent film is my absolute favourite. I also adore Jan Svankmajer's adaption.
I'm not looking forward to Burton's, I love his work, but am not looking forward to a CGI Wonderland. I like it when wonderland feels like a real enviroment that I could fid myself in, and computer generated things dont feel magical to me.
I like the older adaptions with fantastical sets and costumes that you could almost touch if you wanted to :)
MushroomMai 2 years ago 2
But there will be also stop motion!!!
Alan Rickman's caterpillar will be stop motion. As well, there is a scene with traditional, classic handdrawn cel animation.
Adler36 2 years ago
Maybe so... but It looks to be mainly CGI, and its just not my cup of tea, what Ive seen of it doesnt feel like wonderland for me, plus Im not to sure about the story Burton's made up with Dodgson's characters, It just doesnt feel right to me. :)
I also get annoyed and saddened, because half of the people suddenly becoming 'huge' alice fans because of it dont even reolise it's a book written by Lewis Carroll, it makes me feel sad for Charles Dodgson (LC).
MushroomMai 2 years ago
WHOO!!! USA # 1!!! . YEAH!!!!
v2thekey921 2 years ago
I'm also American but I can honestly state that Disney and mediocre Hollywood adaptations will never surpass artistically uncompromised renditions of the source material, for example the Czechoslovakia version titled "Alice" directed by Jan Svankmajer would have never seen the light of day if made in the United States because this country doesn't care about meaningful film and it hasn't since the studios drove Orson Welles out of the system.
Misterioso 2 years ago 7
There is also the Jan Svenkmeyer version called 'Alice', which has a really dark feel to it, using stop motion animation and live-action alike. I also saw a russian version as a ballet which was not very comprehensive but was still amusing. On top of which there was a bio pic called 'Dreamchild' that covered the 100th anniversary of Carroll's birth and Alice's experiences with Carroll through disturbing flashbacks.
tweedledux 2 years ago 6
Svankmajer's version is one of my favourites. :)
And Dreamchild is wonderful, Its nice to see Alice Liddell represented in film. :)
MushroomMai 2 years ago 2
ring starr was in the 85 version, i loved that version, it was an all star cast. but the book is so much better. the 1999 version was really good, the costumes and graphics were wonderful. but the 1st silent file was pretty freakin badass. and what about walt disney's alice in wonderland? i thought that should have been on there. its one of the most important ones of all. i understand that i didnt go by the book but it should have been mention. that movie is very important.
v2thekey921 2 years ago
Very good!!!
Adler36 2 years ago
the 85 one s my fav! I have both movies
wonderlandmadd165 2 years ago
Mike, you left out the 1966 BBC version which is far superior to the crappy American adaptations.
Misterioso 2 years ago
Good reviews, Mike Breathing.
Misterioso 2 years ago
Whoopie Goldberg as the Cheshire Cat has to be one of the greatest crimes in the history of the world.
robotpanda77 2 years ago
I actually liked the '85 version :)
drewbie0706 2 years ago
Where did this footage come from? I'm looking for the earlier versions and am completely unable to find them!!!
shaman13405 2 years ago
Wow I'm listening to White Rabbit while listening to this. So Cool!
Luvzi12 2 years ago
Excellent commentary. I'm a bit of an ALICE buff myself, and I have to say that was a fine selection of ALICE versions you chose to comment on. I think there's enough versions floating around though, to have a second commentary, including the 1966 British version which is rarely screened nowadays, and the ghastly Hanna-Barbara cartoon ALICE IN WONDERLAND OR WHAT"S A NICE GIRL LIKE YOU DOING IN A PLACE LIKE THIS?
trinitymplayers 2 years ago 3
bravo ^^
dimesonmygrassXx 3 years ago
There is also one done by jan svankmajer, not very faithful to the books, but really fun and dark surrealist stuff. I think it's an interesting take on the books. Might have an influence on the burton film, too; he sites svankmajer as an influence when he is asked- and I can totally see that.
paigearts 3 years ago
very informative, good job
paulawashere 3 years ago
Interesting, there was a few you left out, a creepy 1 made in the 80's and they made another 1 staring the Nichole Kidman. There also making another one soon called Alice based after the game
Shinerose 3 years ago