@lirannine It's the demo for a song called 'Guilford Fall' The full song is on the album 'End Hits' This demo is on the soundtrack 'Instrument' to the film of the same name about the band. The full song is excellent, but the demo is almost better - beautifully stripped down and raw.
But at least they're consistent. Of course, consistency doesn't equal validity. Though I do appreciate that I got to see them play live for like 6 bucks, that was pretty rad.
Asinine. No liquor company or tobacco company ever forced me to smoke or drink, that's the beauty of a free market economy. I don't think guys like Guy and Ian will ever understand that, though. They want to hold corporations to blame for choices that individuals make. I make my own choices and I am responsible for the attendant consequences. I'm not saying all corporations are angelic by any stretch, but in the end it still comes down to what the customer chooses to partake of.
@dancefloorkid Actually Fugazi ethos was ALL about individual responsibility and power of choice. "Nevermind what's been selling, it's what you're buying".
@steptb2 if they're about the power of choice why do they refuse to play a venue unless the bar is closed? ''you have the power to choose from this list of one option(s)''
An actual STARGATE/PORTAL-THING was caught on film in New Mexico. The footage can be found within the short-film entitled "SUDDEN PORTHOLE", which is parked at the PROJECT CAMELOT YouTube page (it's under the George Noory video).
I'm not selling anything…I'm just trying to spread the word about the unseen-dimensions we find ourselves embedded in.
My BLOG contains peripheral data regarding the movie and is where I reply to the "debunkers" (use search words "SAM ZURICK" & "BLOG"). THANKS!!
how is rollins a sellout? you don't even know what it is, you've never been in a succesful band touring the whole of usa in a shit van with hardly any money, playing small venues where small minded pricks like yourselves spat on him for doing what he wanted, not letting anyone tell him what music to play.
@MrMEGAGTA Agreed. Rollins' time in Black Flag represents the end of an era, when bands did their own work, suffered and bled for their craft, unlike Blink 182 and their foul ilk, riding in air-conditioned tour buses and getting blow jobs from groupies.
@djwolf12 dude what has he ever sold out? his political views are still the same, he's just more eloquent and more capable of expressing them through various medium now
@jiminberkeley i felt like thumbing you up but then i felt id be contributing. we're contributing by spreading ideas at this very moment. you're contributing! yay
@ChrisGnosis why exactly is he a twat? i don't know much about him (other than that people either think he's a god or a douchebag), but from what i've read and seen, he seems to be someone who knows what he wants to do and does it. he also cares a lot about his actions and has issues with what a lot of people do. he doesn't like ripping people off (charging a lot for records and ticket prices), he doesn't like big businesses (mainly concerned with money), so he's specific about how he does stuff
Because, while he's talented and has good views, he pokes his nose in to much. It's not so much that he's a twat because, he's pretty moderate compared to the people who worship him. It's the straight edge punks that are twats. They, including MacKaye at times, go around telling punks not to smoke or drink or fuck and occasionally not to mosh. It's all shit. Punk is, if nothing else about personal sovereignty. If you don't wanna smoke, great, but don't push it on others.
@ChrisGnosis eh. if that's what punk is, then fuck punk. if you have a rational, logically sound argument for why you should not drink, then by all means put it out there. if anyone disagrees with it, they can bring forth their rational, logical argument back at them. even if they don't end up agreeing, if they're both compassionate, understanding, and intellectually honest, they could learn to accept each other. that's how it ought to be, and i don't think ian mackaye is being rude or anything
You're right, it should be like that but it isn't. It's really a group of people pushing their lifestyles at every show, in every conversation. It's really more like that than both sides bringing up a rational conversation and then acknowledging their differences and going about their merry-way. Once again Ian isn't as responsible for this as his devotees are but he does set the example that they follow. what you mentioned IS punk, in an ideal form but nothing is ideal.
@andook It's because tobacco and alcohol companies are these massive corporations that appease investors by selling(and marketing) a product that they KNOW yields in deaths. A corporation that kills people is not punk.
Where do you draw the line though? Minor Threat and Fugazi cost themselves a lot of potential fans and sales by refusing to do interviews with Rolling Stone; Spin magazines; etc. Every time some group switches on their amps, they're feeding corporations. They might have enough respect for their fans by crediting them with enough brains to make up their own minds about tobacco and alcohol, you'd think?
@andook Fugazi never cared about "sales". They never made any merchandise or teeshirts or anything. When they toured, they only sold records. If they saw their music as some money-making strategy, I'm sure they'd have rethought their approach. It's not the fact that corporations are being advertised, it's the fact that they are corporations that are inherently evil because their products kill people. They did not want to endorse or be associated with those companies.
@NishadSD I enjoyed their music a lot. I'm sure that many other people could have "discovered" them also if they'd been less puritannical in their choice of media outlet. Surely, if you're in a band and you're making good music, you'd want that out there to as many people as possible..? All or nothing.
@andook because they treat the music as an end in itself and not a means to getting anything. do you understand that? they play music only because that's what they want to do, and the fans came afterward. "why even bother" is a question you would ask someone who is making financial decisions or decisions based on his fans. while you may not like it, it seems as though ian mackaye doesn't care if he has fans or not, and while i'm sure he is glad that they like his music, they don't matter much
@andook it's not about telling people what to do and what not to do, it's having INTEGRITY and not supporting things that they deem immoral. they do not like tobacco or alcohol companies, so they don't support them. this means not supporting other companies that support them, including the rolling stone and spin. that action is doing what is ethically right, which is WAY more important than making a lot of money or fans. if every band did that, the magazines would stop supporting those companies
I think you'll find that without those sponsors, the magazines would not exist these days. And a lot of people don't need some indie fuckwit telling them what's "immoral" either. Even if they do make great music.
@andook he's not telling people what is immoral, he is (probably) finding out what he thinks is immoral and making decisions based on that. although i think morality is objective, what he's doing is a very personal thing. he's not bothering anyone about it, he's just doing his thing. if it costs him fame, it's not hurting anyone else.
and anyway, i bet that those magazines could find other sponsors. and if they need to rely on big business to exist, then fuck it. they shouldn't exist then
I don't understand this stupid straightedge bullshit. I mean, it's one thing to refuse an interview in a publication that has any ads whatsoever, I'm ALL for that. But, to say "ohh, I won't do it next to an advert for a $5 pack of cigarettes, BUT I'll do it next to a picture of a $35,000 luxury automobile" It's just so fucking USELESS. Talk about futile effort.
@samhain6677 if anything it makes his stance against drugs more validity? Would you rather learn from a teacher that just read about it in a book or one that has lived it?
does anyone know the name of the song that plays when Henry starts talking? PLEASE!!!
lirannine 2 months ago
@lirannine It's the demo for a song called 'Guilford Fall' The full song is on the album 'End Hits' This demo is on the soundtrack 'Instrument' to the film of the same name about the band. The full song is excellent, but the demo is almost better - beautifully stripped down and raw.
donsimmmo 2 weeks ago
But at least they're consistent. Of course, consistency doesn't equal validity. Though I do appreciate that I got to see them play live for like 6 bucks, that was pretty rad.
dancefloorkid 2 months ago
Asinine. No liquor company or tobacco company ever forced me to smoke or drink, that's the beauty of a free market economy. I don't think guys like Guy and Ian will ever understand that, though. They want to hold corporations to blame for choices that individuals make. I make my own choices and I am responsible for the attendant consequences. I'm not saying all corporations are angelic by any stretch, but in the end it still comes down to what the customer chooses to partake of.
dancefloorkid 2 months ago
@dancefloorkid
The companies are still unconscionable, and it's a strong show of integrity that a band won't be associated with values they don't like.
KadrickNinness 2 months ago
@dancefloorkid Actually Fugazi ethos was ALL about individual responsibility and power of choice. "Nevermind what's been selling, it's what you're buying".
steptb2 3 weeks ago 3
@steptb2 if they're about the power of choice why do they refuse to play a venue unless the bar is closed? ''you have the power to choose from this list of one option(s)''
plxplxkthx 1 week ago
@dancefloorkid Completely missed the point there eh pal??
donsimmmo 2 weeks ago
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pinkdarkechoes 2 months ago
Sounds like Fugazi are self-righteous streaks of piss.
buckdich1 2 months ago
@buckdich1 thats what i was thinking
the0scarlet0piper 2 months ago
Its good to see bands living up to their principles, its just a shame that fugazi are a terrible band.
acledmaiden 3 months ago
I don't necessarily agree with the stand on liquor and tobacco, but I really admire them standing by their principles.
moparmonster1965 3 months ago 2
im not trying to be an asshole henry rollins but can you go back to play with S.O.A.?
xGrav1tyBlast3rx 3 months ago
Fugazi are awesome to stick by their policies and principles. Plus it gets them noticed! Win win
IdaSputum 3 months ago
I guess Ian should of never made that Pailhead record.
gamage3 3 months ago
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An actual STARGATE/PORTAL-THING was caught on film in New Mexico. The footage can be found within the short-film entitled "SUDDEN PORTHOLE", which is parked at the PROJECT CAMELOT YouTube page (it's under the George Noory video).
I'm not selling anything…I'm just trying to spread the word about the unseen-dimensions we find ourselves embedded in.
My BLOG contains peripheral data regarding the movie and is where I reply to the "debunkers" (use search words "SAM ZURICK" & "BLOG"). THANKS!!
peopledick 3 months ago
how is rollins a sellout? you don't even know what it is, you've never been in a succesful band touring the whole of usa in a shit van with hardly any money, playing small venues where small minded pricks like yourselves spat on him for doing what he wanted, not letting anyone tell him what music to play.
rollins is a true legend.
MrMEGAGTA 3 months ago
@MrMEGAGTA Agreed. Rollins' time in Black Flag represents the end of an era, when bands did their own work, suffered and bled for their craft, unlike Blink 182 and their foul ilk, riding in air-conditioned tour buses and getting blow jobs from groupies.
moparmonster1965 3 months ago
This video made me crave liquor and tobacco.
JiffyNo0b 3 months ago 6
So what is Henry Rollins saying? He is himself a sellout.
djwolf12 4 months ago
@djwolf12 Agreed. Fuck Rollins.
savinobratton 4 months ago
@savinobratton Baaaaaa Baaaaaaaaa The rest of your flock are calling for you, sheep.
BognarRegis 4 months ago
@djwolf12 He is speaking about Fugazi with admiration. What in your opinion makes Henry a sellout?
sydbarrett5 4 months ago
@djwolf12 dude what has he ever sold out? his political views are still the same, he's just more eloquent and more capable of expressing them through various medium now
strayebyrd 4 months ago
I want to a Fugazi gig once. It rocked!
sooper2dooper3 4 months ago
That makes me respect fugazi more than i already do.....
FlatLand43 5 months ago 5
Fugazi is the band that got me out of radio rock and into more obscure music.
Malkohut 5 months ago
FUGAZI ROCKS!
So does whisky on the rocks
Wishchrono 6 months ago
Fugazi is a old vietnam war term which stands for Fucked Up Got Ambushed Zippied In (like into a body bag)
64notorious 6 months ago
What is that song of Fugazi ?
Labyrinthman 6 months ago
@Labyrinthman "Brendan #1" from Repeater
zacharymasao 6 months ago
@zacharymasao
thanks man !
Labyrinthman 6 months ago
I will only give interviews to publications that advertise bot liquor AND tobacco. It's all or nothing.
yetibuster 7 months ago
The internet is great for barfing opinions all over everyone at 100 miles per hour. Even Fugazi videos aren't immune, I guess.
jiminberkeley 7 months ago
@jiminberkeley i felt like thumbing you up but then i felt id be contributing. we're contributing by spreading ideas at this very moment. you're contributing! yay
howdyhoyo 6 months ago
@howdyhoyo OMG LOL XOXOXO TTYL
jiminberkeley 6 months ago
what song is playing at the intro?? does anyone know
EdZepp1 8 months ago
I think this all boils down to the fact that, while being talented, Ian McCaye is a twat
ChrisGnosis 8 months ago
@ChrisGnosis why exactly is he a twat? i don't know much about him (other than that people either think he's a god or a douchebag), but from what i've read and seen, he seems to be someone who knows what he wants to do and does it. he also cares a lot about his actions and has issues with what a lot of people do. he doesn't like ripping people off (charging a lot for records and ticket prices), he doesn't like big businesses (mainly concerned with money), so he's specific about how he does stuff
taylorbortnerathing 8 months ago
@taylorbortnerathing
Because, while he's talented and has good views, he pokes his nose in to much. It's not so much that he's a twat because, he's pretty moderate compared to the people who worship him. It's the straight edge punks that are twats. They, including MacKaye at times, go around telling punks not to smoke or drink or fuck and occasionally not to mosh. It's all shit. Punk is, if nothing else about personal sovereignty. If you don't wanna smoke, great, but don't push it on others.
ChrisGnosis 8 months ago
@ChrisGnosis eh. if that's what punk is, then fuck punk. if you have a rational, logically sound argument for why you should not drink, then by all means put it out there. if anyone disagrees with it, they can bring forth their rational, logical argument back at them. even if they don't end up agreeing, if they're both compassionate, understanding, and intellectually honest, they could learn to accept each other. that's how it ought to be, and i don't think ian mackaye is being rude or anything
taylorbortnerathing 8 months ago
@taylorbortnerathing
You're right, it should be like that but it isn't. It's really a group of people pushing their lifestyles at every show, in every conversation. It's really more like that than both sides bringing up a rational conversation and then acknowledging their differences and going about their merry-way. Once again Ian isn't as responsible for this as his devotees are but he does set the example that they follow. what you mentioned IS punk, in an ideal form but nothing is ideal.
ChrisGnosis 8 months ago
Anbody know the ttile of the song played at the intro of the clip ?
samhain66 9 months ago
I never really got this "straight edge" thing at all. Punks reinventing themselves as the New Puritans seemed a little silly.
andook 11 months ago
@andook It's because tobacco and alcohol companies are these massive corporations that appease investors by selling(and marketing) a product that they KNOW yields in deaths. A corporation that kills people is not punk.
NishadSD 10 months ago
@NishadSD
Where do you draw the line though? Minor Threat and Fugazi cost themselves a lot of potential fans and sales by refusing to do interviews with Rolling Stone; Spin magazines; etc. Every time some group switches on their amps, they're feeding corporations. They might have enough respect for their fans by crediting them with enough brains to make up their own minds about tobacco and alcohol, you'd think?
andook 10 months ago
@andook Fugazi never cared about "sales". They never made any merchandise or teeshirts or anything. When they toured, they only sold records. If they saw their music as some money-making strategy, I'm sure they'd have rethought their approach. It's not the fact that corporations are being advertised, it's the fact that they are corporations that are inherently evil because their products kill people. They did not want to endorse or be associated with those companies.
NishadSD 10 months ago 28
@NishadSD I enjoyed their music a lot. I'm sure that many other people could have "discovered" them also if they'd been less puritannical in their choice of media outlet. Surely, if you're in a band and you're making good music, you'd want that out there to as many people as possible..? All or nothing.
Otherwise, why even fucking bother?
andook 10 months ago
@andook because they treat the music as an end in itself and not a means to getting anything. do you understand that? they play music only because that's what they want to do, and the fans came afterward. "why even bother" is a question you would ask someone who is making financial decisions or decisions based on his fans. while you may not like it, it seems as though ian mackaye doesn't care if he has fans or not, and while i'm sure he is glad that they like his music, they don't matter much
taylorbortnerathing 8 months ago
@NishadSD they made a few shirts i had one it said " this is not a fugazi shirt " on it
D6onGPS 6 months ago
@D6onGPS That was a bootleg.
birdshot 5 months ago
@NishadSD But car companies and other corporations that outsource labor to the third world is fine.
kingnat2 2 months ago
@kingnat2 so other countries shouldn't work???
creaturejekyllisland 2 months ago
@creaturejekyllisland Get out of the hardcore scene Hayek.
kingnat2 2 months ago
@andook it's not about telling people what to do and what not to do, it's having INTEGRITY and not supporting things that they deem immoral. they do not like tobacco or alcohol companies, so they don't support them. this means not supporting other companies that support them, including the rolling stone and spin. that action is doing what is ethically right, which is WAY more important than making a lot of money or fans. if every band did that, the magazines would stop supporting those companies
taylorbortnerathing 8 months ago
@taylorbortnerathing
I think you'll find that without those sponsors, the magazines would not exist these days. And a lot of people don't need some indie fuckwit telling them what's "immoral" either. Even if they do make great music.
andook 8 months ago
@andook he's not telling people what is immoral, he is (probably) finding out what he thinks is immoral and making decisions based on that. although i think morality is objective, what he's doing is a very personal thing. he's not bothering anyone about it, he's just doing his thing. if it costs him fame, it's not hurting anyone else.
and anyway, i bet that those magazines could find other sponsors. and if they need to rely on big business to exist, then fuck it. they shouldn't exist then
taylorbortnerathing 8 months ago
The automobile won't kill you the pack of cigs will
cuzidid100 11 months ago
I don't understand this stupid straightedge bullshit. I mean, it's one thing to refuse an interview in a publication that has any ads whatsoever, I'm ALL for that. But, to say "ohh, I won't do it next to an advert for a $5 pack of cigarettes, BUT I'll do it next to a picture of a $35,000 luxury automobile" It's just so fucking USELESS. Talk about futile effort.
mussman717word 1 year ago
I have much respect for Rollins, but always was amused by the fact that he's so anti alcohol and pot, yet used to trip his balls off on LSD
samhain6677 1 year ago 2
@samhain6677 if anything it makes his stance against drugs more validity? Would you rather learn from a teacher that just read about it in a book or one that has lived it?
gaulparcia 1 year ago 11
Liquor and tobacco rock.
CelestialWoodway 1 year ago
What is this from?
f1i2s3c4h5e6r7 1 year ago
It's a clip from Don Letts' Punk: Attitude documentary. I'd actually meant to set it to private as I only needed it for a lecture I was giving.
andyvglnt 1 year ago 8
@andyvglnt Man, you sound like you give awesome lectures...
iluv2h869 3 months ago