@FairPhilip There is no middle ground between truth as it actually is and the lies that call themselves Higher Truth.
Religion is acceptable as a hobby, if it keeps within the law and respects the rights of citizens, in the same way as auto-erotic asphyxiation or collecting Nazi memorabilia. It should not be respected or seen as normal or healthy and it definitely should not be offered to minors.
@MartinJWillett Christian or Islamic teaching encourage honesty, forgiveness, tolerance and important virtues. Teach young children this can only be a good thing.
Religion is not anything like a hobby, as for example vegetarianism is not.
It is obviously quite normal and quite healthy, like masturbation (to give an example of a similar level of needless pornographic imagery as auto erotic asphyxiation)
@FairPhilip my mother encouraged me also to honesty, forgiveness, tolerance and important virtues. But she didn't have to invent some invisible thingy in the sky to make scared so i follow them, she was smart enough to be able to explain why those things are better without any fairytales around it.
Oh, please, music can influence people by spreading ideas. Individuals can have their ways of thinking revolutionized or at least their horizons sigifigantly broadened by music and film and literature. It can inspire. Media can often have a revolutionary and/or liberalizing effect on many individuals who may make up movements and constituents or mobs that CAN influence society.
@ThirdRAILKink Of course you believe modern media is the holy grail. It's all you know. Liberalizing effect isn't always so good. I do love what us oldies have inspired you people to achieve. Don't think you figured it out for your self. Peace.
The human race has never developed a strategy for removing evil leaders which does not involve bloodshed. With so many corrupt hands at the helm no one can claim to be a good example to others. Change will not, and cannot come, from politicians. Obama was heralded as the new brush to sweep clean. Yet was prevented, by the corrupt, from saving his own country from itself. It once seemed that exposure, via the unfiltered Internet, was the world's best chance. Until it was filtered by the corrupt.
" the bible not as good as Shakespeare" lol Shakespeare was inspired by the bible and used more references to the bible than most writers. his literary form was said to be inspired by the bible.
as was the same with most well known admired artists.
you atheists have a lot of culture and art to burn huh?
@aaugoaa The Bible was and still is our cultural heritage. Shakespeare lived in a very religious world where the Bible played a much more important role than it does today. But compare the literary qualities of the Bible with Shakespeare. There is no comparison. The Bible is for the most part barely readable. Most of it is outright dull, poorly written, self-contradictory, and so on. You think Shakespeare could not have written his plays had he not been religious?
@aaugoaa a study was done atheists know more about christianity then most christians. numbers and facts dont lie. besides, its always been your creed that has burned everything in its path. books, culture and people.
@aaugoaa The King James Bible is a great work of literature (at least some parts of it) but it features a thoroughly nasty and vindictive central character who endorses wretched behaviour: human and animal sacrifice to appease supernatural entities, slavery, marriage as the response to rape, genocide and deception.
Hebrew mythology should be taught in schools - but not as if it were in any way true or worthy of respect as a belief system for the modern world.
No formal government party in England or America agrees with any atheist agenda. in fact just recently the prime minister as asked English people to go back to it's Christian heritage and morality.
lol ...ouch eh?
anyway enough said..i wouldn't want to wind you up...Hee Hee
the thing is Martin there is nothing evil or even bad about the 25th December nativity story passed down through the ages..but you and many atheists still have a problem with it.
@aaugoaa Vicarious sacrifice is an evil concept. Atoning for somebody else's sins with a blood sacrifice is a sick idea, even more twisted is the idea that God needs to become man to be punished for the mythical sin committed by a totally mythical Adam.
Immortals can't be killed, it is in the job description, suffering doesn't buy favour from the universe. It's all magical thinking, superstitious hokum, and it is all clearly fictional.
A very Conservative Christmas to you sir, (and to your cultural soul-brother Pat Condell as well!)
From where you are, it may look all comfy-feely-nostalgee-wizzy, but some young rudy-poos figure, "what is falling, push." Can't blame the little buggers, I reckon, when we old, complacent farts destroy the planet and the rule of law, cursing religious symbolism when it's the wogs' but muddle-cuddling it when it's "our" culture's.
@hulakan I have been doing little else for years and I'm totally fed up with being expected by annoying jerks to find more fault with my faults than anybody else's faults.
@BaileysBeads like when a governor in the usa decreed that the christmas tree would have to be referred to as 'holiday tree' ? oh no, there is no war on christmas. of course there is a war on christmas. the very name is constantly under attack and attempts are being made to make 'holiday' the p.c. term. as though there is something wrong and offensive with 'christmas'. and the war is waged by zealous atheists who are as dumb as the zealous christians whom they so despise.
@topperheartramada Please try to rise above the level of "the one who smelt it dealt it".
The War on Christmas is a great big lie, right wing media collect examples of a few lunatic atheists demanding no Christian symbolism on publicly funded property and they mix it in with Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus objecting to being asked to keep saying Happy Christmas as if it was all part of one movement designed to abolish Christmas.
@MartinJWillett Well, perhaps 'war' is not the appropriate term, but attempts are constantly being made to make the word 'Christmas' inappropriate and illegitimate. Some atheists have been so eager to settle scores with Christians that they will use any opportunity to attack religion. In the Case of Christmas I find it somewhat misguided. Also, often those who are critical of Christmas are people who take it upon themselves to be 'offended' in someone else's name.
@topperheartramada There is nothing remotely Christian about a Christmas tree, the tradition of the tree invaded Christian Europe in the fifteenth century from the last hold-outs of paganism in the Baltic states. The last people who tried to ban Christmas were the Puritans.
Try reading Jeremiah 10:2-4 (with an open mind for once).
are you suggesting we give up all the ancient history of the world because all the ancient peoples believed in Gods/God and it offends you atheists. this is the problem with atheism it is nihilism. atheism doesn't want philosophy, it doesn't want purpose, it is nihilism. and i have no doubt that all good people will see through this eventually. and realise that atheism wants to limit us, not empower us. atheism wants to take us back to the animal kingdom, of ignorance.
@aaugoaa Do you hate it when atheist lump all Christians together! That all Christians are tyrannical, manipulative, bigoted, gay bashing jerks! Do you like it? Probably not, so stop lumping Atheists together! That is kinda what he was saying in the video!
@Inovocre12 it would be unreasonable to ask me to divide every atheists choices on what parts of fundamental atheism they agree with, i go on the majority, and one only needs to watch atheist videos to come to the conclusions i have come to, just like you came to your fundamental understanding of the majority of Christians.
@aaugoaa Unreasonable? Not a Christian... Look I never said anything like that, not once, in fact I asked you a question, which you did not answer, then you made an assumption! Which retards the whole discussion we are having here!
@Inovocre12 i do not want a discussion with you, i do not have long discussions with people who think the word retarded or any other "atheist" insults your bully mind set can come up with is worth my time. i gave all the opinions i want to give on this video, you don't like my opinion.
@aaugoaa You would think that the word retarded was an insult, it wasn't, just saying that with assumptions, the discussion would "slow down"! And here are some more assumptions... never did I say I was atheist, and never did I insult, oh and never did I Bully!
So, like some Christians I know, you assume everything, from what I am trying to say to the big giant invisible sky daddy! You speak for him like he speaks to you! And we know he doesn't!
@MartinJWillett lol i will leave you to get on with your campaign against religion. don't forget to never let your children watch television, or read books with any evil actions for them to be influenced by.
when you all realise what hypocrites you're ...i might take you a tiny bit more seriously.
@aaugoaa My children are grown up and they like fiction and know what it is and how it works. They don't believe in it as if it is real. They also learned about Jesus and could see that was a fictional story too, and not as good as Shakespeare or Doctor Who.
i don't care that people celebrate Christmas anyway they want to, but many, mostly atheists want to change it from merry Christmas to "Happy Holiday" and i believe this is because they want to alter the meaning of the day. i am more than aware that the 25th December is a day that is a symbol of many religious beliefs.
this day will never be "just a Holiday" people will always want to know the origin of the meaning of this day, whether atheists like it or not.
@aaugoaa To be fair there are a number of pre-christian festivals around the same date - it's clear early Christians hijacked these as part of their conversion attempts. Perhaps people shouldn't worry so much about Christimas/Saturnalia/Yuletide - there are many meanings to the festivities - it's not exclusively Christian and was never Christian originally anyway.
@Hereticalable you are kidding yourself if you think that if you drown out Christianity with thousands of years of other religious beliefs, that you get rid of God.
@Hereticalable i do not know if you are aware or not, so i will tell you, many of the American/English elite/royalty and political agenda of both countries is full of ancient Egyptian religious symbolism.
the very religious ancient Egyptians are very much still alive within these world powers.
@aaugoaa Nobody knows what month Jesus was meant to have been born in, still less what day. Christians imposed their meaning on the people's celebrations. Or at least they tried. It has never worked properly despite all their efforts. Most people find the bits about baby Jesus and the supposed cosmic significance of him the easiest things to drop and the bits that are least missed.
In America many churches don't even open on Christmas Day, because of the holiday, which really says it all!
@MartinJWillett myths do not die because people do not understand them, or because they might not have any historical proof. that is why they are called a myth. history does not die either.
There will never be a time when the meaning of this public holiday of the 25th December will be forgotten, i am surprised you think it will. people will always want to know what the origin of the meaning of any public holiday is. even if it is only because of curiosity.
@aaugoaa The 25th of December is the day when the sun's return to the Northern Hemisphere can be seen. The solstice has passed, the days are now getting longer - the unconquered sun, Sol Invictus, has returned. The reason for the season is simply the season. The Christians stole the day and its celebrations for their imported Jewish religion, cancelling winter festivals makes the plebs restless so they are renamed and new myths written over the top of the old myths.
@MartinJWillett i know what the origin of the 25th December is Martin, do you really think you're teaching me anything about mythology. most Christians are aware of it too.i know this myth originates with the ancient Egyptians...and i still celebrate it as a myth that was passed down through the ages. and i still believe in God. nothing as changed.
did you really believe people believe in God just because of myths.
@MartinJWillett just one more thing Martin, it doesn't matter if the atheist agenda burned every religious book there is. or tear down the temples, so people have no way to remember history. like the Spanish Inquisition.
just how are atheists going to stop people from having spiritual experiences. which is what started all religious beliefs. you might not believe that, but God philosophy started with a thought, not a temple or a book.
@aaugoaa Do people who don't believe in ghosts want to ban all ghost stories? No, only if they have competing supernatural tales or party dogmas to put in their place. I don't give a flying fuck what you believe, but you should only teach supernatural bollocks to adults. Lying to children and scaring and scarring them with dangerous myths is evil.
@MartinJWillett well theres a big diffrence in the two. see ghost stories never influenced people to cause genocide or witch burnings. we banned hitlers book, and im pretty sure theres more violence and murder in the bible. so as for banning it.... no. i agree. ban them from bringing religion to politcal seats if anything.
@MartinJWillett weird.... it sounds an awful lot like you never heard of mein kampf. and we being almsot every country except from india its used as business text book. oddly.
@compendiumgravemind You can't buy Mein Kampf in China, Austria, the Netherlands or Argentina, but there's no problem in getting a copy in most countries, if you are of such a mind. It's not a very good book.
I could get it on my Kindle in a minute, for £2.14. But I'd rather buy a sandwich.
@MartinJWillett Ignoring Mine Kampf when you study National Socialism/WW2 history is ignorant. Like ignoring the more hateful koran when you study islam, or islamic history. Like ignoring Das Kapital when you study communism/marxism, or it's history.
@neitilinvandring If I want to study it I will read it not have it read at me. The world is full of far too many books and I am not studying National Socialism.
@MartinJWillett Well English in not my first or second language and commenting on grammar on youtube is pathetic. I study History so I have read them all.
@GhostOfMisterRogers It is youtube, and English grammar lessons is not what I'm looking for when I give some information about how to get one of the important books in world history for free.
@neitilinvandring Commenting on being corrected is truly pathetic. Do you react with fury and wounded masculine pride when your teachers point out your errors? If nobody points out an error how can you learn? They will just mark you down inside, silently, and let you continue showing yourself up in future. How is that doing you a favour?
You study history. Not everybody does. As I said if I decide I need to know exactly what is in Mein Kampf I will read it, not have it read at me.
@MartinJWillett One of you point was price. I pointed out that you can get it for free on audio books from Torrentz. I don't care about grammar on youtube as long as every one understand. You care more about grammar, as you have proven here, than the fact that you can get it for free. If you only read then there are some PDF's out there. Also free.
@neitilinvandring If I want to read it I will read it. I won't ever want it read at me. The price wasn't an issue, I mentioned it merely to underline just how available it was.
Wise people thank those who correct them. Fools react as if a correction was a wounding insult. Always say thank you when you are corrected (assuming the correction is valid), those who intended to help receive the thanks they deserve, those who intended to belittle receive what they deserve as well.
@MartinJWillett i would agree that some religious interpretations of a God philosophy are evil. I have nothing to do with that sort of thing, and i don't believe in it, and i do not take myths literally let alone teach any child that kind of interpretation. However...
@aaugoaa However what? However Christianity was the religion of the last army to beat the crap out of your ancestors and you are stuck with the idea that it alone is the only valid source of morality. You are a victim and like the victims of domestic abuse and cultural genital mutilation (of both sexes) you wish to continue the tradition of abuse into another generation.
Put the book down and step away from the children.
Hmmm.... I guess I'd probably have to wonder about the difference between gradual change and a revolution. If a revolution necessarily involves force or coercion, then the difference is very distinct. However, if the difference is that a revolution is a rush of change, couldn't one just jump onto an existing non-violent revolution, such as this ever-accelerating tech revolution and avoid causing any significant additional damage?
@zwiiyt Ron wants to abolish the department of education and commerce. The depravity, despair, and starvation just those two actions could unleash would dwarf the wars tens of times over. You're basing your opinions off of weak assumptions. I'm saying we should focus on stopping the biggest threat to our freedom right now- the corporate, financial and governmental trinity of destruction. Only the morons of the earth believe 14 year olds with automatic weapons pose a threat to freedom.
Christmas is very offensive to us fake-muslims! The bible is full of references to pine-trees, santa-claus and rein-deers! Therefore it is very offensive to us fake-muslims who have chosen to leave oppresive muslims lands in order to live in free christian lands! Minorities must have the last word! It is only democracy if the a small minority as us make the rules! And if you disagree you are all racists!
(naah, didnt mean all that, i just wanted to make fun of muslim-apologists)
@zwiiyt Ron is a Racist and a bigot, as has been recently exposed. Perhaps Ron has changed since his news letters, maybe he's not a racist or a bigot (atleast not anymore) but he definitely was and seems to be still. Having said all that- he's the best thing the Americans have going for them, because he seems to be the only one willing to fight back the corporate and financial rapists, not just of America but the whole world.
Don't disrespect your atheist brothers who have been sweating and bleeding and dying in the trenches while fighting the good fight against Christmas. BTW, that reminds me of a really cool song...
1. Revolution rarely "tears everything down and starts again from ground level"
2. Politicians rarely cause anything revolutionary in OUR modern society
3. I wish you would take such a relaxed view towards all religious aspects as you do towards christmas, you're a bit winey most of the time.
FairPhilip 2 months ago
@FairPhilip There is no middle ground between truth as it actually is and the lies that call themselves Higher Truth.
Religion is acceptable as a hobby, if it keeps within the law and respects the rights of citizens, in the same way as auto-erotic asphyxiation or collecting Nazi memorabilia. It should not be respected or seen as normal or healthy and it definitely should not be offered to minors.
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
@MartinJWillett Christian or Islamic teaching encourage honesty, forgiveness, tolerance and important virtues. Teach young children this can only be a good thing.
Religion is not anything like a hobby, as for example vegetarianism is not.
It is obviously quite normal and quite healthy, like masturbation (to give an example of a similar level of needless pornographic imagery as auto erotic asphyxiation)
FairPhilip 2 months ago
@FairPhilip my mother encouraged me also to honesty, forgiveness, tolerance and important virtues. But she didn't have to invent some invisible thingy in the sky to make scared so i follow them, she was smart enough to be able to explain why those things are better without any fairytales around it.
Aanthanur 2 months ago
Oh, please, music can influence people by spreading ideas. Individuals can have their ways of thinking revolutionized or at least their horizons sigifigantly broadened by music and film and literature. It can inspire. Media can often have a revolutionary and/or liberalizing effect on many individuals who may make up movements and constituents or mobs that CAN influence society.
ThirdRAILKink 2 months ago
@ThirdRAILKink Who taught you that and what instrument did he play?
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
@ThirdRAILKink Of course you believe modern media is the holy grail. It's all you know. Liberalizing effect isn't always so good. I do love what us oldies have inspired you people to achieve. Don't think you figured it out for your self. Peace.
ricksterZ 2 months ago
The human race has never developed a strategy for removing evil leaders which does not involve bloodshed. With so many corrupt hands at the helm no one can claim to be a good example to others. Change will not, and cannot come, from politicians. Obama was heralded as the new brush to sweep clean. Yet was prevented, by the corrupt, from saving his own country from itself. It once seemed that exposure, via the unfiltered Internet, was the world's best chance. Until it was filtered by the corrupt.
Tricyklist 2 months ago
" the bible not as good as Shakespeare" lol Shakespeare was inspired by the bible and used more references to the bible than most writers. his literary form was said to be inspired by the bible.
as was the same with most well known admired artists.
you atheists have a lot of culture and art to burn huh?
aaugoaa 2 months ago
@aaugoaa The Bible was and still is our cultural heritage. Shakespeare lived in a very religious world where the Bible played a much more important role than it does today. But compare the literary qualities of the Bible with Shakespeare. There is no comparison. The Bible is for the most part barely readable. Most of it is outright dull, poorly written, self-contradictory, and so on. You think Shakespeare could not have written his plays had he not been religious?
topperheartramada 2 months ago
@aaugoaa a study was done atheists know more about christianity then most christians. numbers and facts dont lie. besides, its always been your creed that has burned everything in its path. books, culture and people.
compendiumgravemind 2 months ago
@aaugoaa The King James Bible is a great work of literature (at least some parts of it) but it features a thoroughly nasty and vindictive central character who endorses wretched behaviour: human and animal sacrifice to appease supernatural entities, slavery, marriage as the response to rape, genocide and deception.
Hebrew mythology should be taught in schools - but not as if it were in any way true or worthy of respect as a belief system for the modern world.
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
@aaugoaa im pretty sure reading the fantasy novel, the bibel, inspired Shakespears fantasy.
Aanthanur 2 months ago
No formal government party in England or America agrees with any atheist agenda. in fact just recently the prime minister as asked English people to go back to it's Christian heritage and morality.
lol ...ouch eh?
anyway enough said..i wouldn't want to wind you up...Hee Hee
aaugoaa 2 months ago
@aaugoaa Idiots and supervillains laugh at their own pronouncements. Which are you trying to be?
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
@MartinJWillett "idiots and supervillians"
you're the one who announces that you're a militant Martin, not I, good luck with that.
anyway..enough said.
aaugoaa 2 months ago
@aaugoaa Nobody laughed, at any of your comments. Does that laughter sound hollow to you?
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
the thing is Martin there is nothing evil or even bad about the 25th December nativity story passed down through the ages..but you and many atheists still have a problem with it.
aaugoaa 2 months ago
@aaugoaa Vicarious sacrifice is an evil concept. Atoning for somebody else's sins with a blood sacrifice is a sick idea, even more twisted is the idea that God needs to become man to be punished for the mythical sin committed by a totally mythical Adam.
Immortals can't be killed, it is in the job description, suffering doesn't buy favour from the universe. It's all magical thinking, superstitious hokum, and it is all clearly fictional.
MartinJWillett 2 months ago 3
As Benny Hill used to say: Happy horriday!
topperheartramada 2 months ago
A very Conservative Christmas to you sir, (and to your cultural soul-brother Pat Condell as well!)
From where you are, it may look all comfy-feely-nostalgee-wizzy, but some young rudy-poos figure, "what is falling, push." Can't blame the little buggers, I reckon, when we old, complacent farts destroy the planet and the rule of law, cursing religious symbolism when it's the wogs' but muddle-cuddling it when it's "our" culture's.
Seriously Martin; examine your own biases.
hulakan 2 months ago
@hulakan I have been doing little else for years and I'm totally fed up with being expected by annoying jerks to find more fault with my faults than anybody else's faults.
MartinJWillett 2 months ago 2
The "war on christmas" is mostly fabricated so the religious have something to feel indignant about.
BaileysBeads 2 months ago 4
@BaileysBeads like when a governor in the usa decreed that the christmas tree would have to be referred to as 'holiday tree' ? oh no, there is no war on christmas. of course there is a war on christmas. the very name is constantly under attack and attempts are being made to make 'holiday' the p.c. term. as though there is something wrong and offensive with 'christmas'. and the war is waged by zealous atheists who are as dumb as the zealous christians whom they so despise.
topperheartramada 2 months ago
@topperheartramada I rest my case.
BaileysBeads 2 months ago
@BaileysBeads I'm glad you admit you were in fact in the wrong.
topperheartramada 2 months ago
@topperheartramada Learn english.
BaileysBeads 2 months ago
@BaileysBeads Do elaborate, please.
topperheartramada 2 months ago
@topperheartramada Please try to rise above the level of "the one who smelt it dealt it".
The War on Christmas is a great big lie, right wing media collect examples of a few lunatic atheists demanding no Christian symbolism on publicly funded property and they mix it in with Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus objecting to being asked to keep saying Happy Christmas as if it was all part of one movement designed to abolish Christmas.
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
@MartinJWillett Well, perhaps 'war' is not the appropriate term, but attempts are constantly being made to make the word 'Christmas' inappropriate and illegitimate. Some atheists have been so eager to settle scores with Christians that they will use any opportunity to attack religion. In the Case of Christmas I find it somewhat misguided. Also, often those who are critical of Christmas are people who take it upon themselves to be 'offended' in someone else's name.
topperheartramada 2 months ago
@topperheartramada There is nothing remotely Christian about a Christmas tree, the tradition of the tree invaded Christian Europe in the fifteenth century from the last hold-outs of paganism in the Baltic states. The last people who tried to ban Christmas were the Puritans.
Try reading Jeremiah 10:2-4 (with an open mind for once).
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
are you suggesting we give up all the ancient history of the world because all the ancient peoples believed in Gods/God and it offends you atheists. this is the problem with atheism it is nihilism. atheism doesn't want philosophy, it doesn't want purpose, it is nihilism. and i have no doubt that all good people will see through this eventually. and realise that atheism wants to limit us, not empower us. atheism wants to take us back to the animal kingdom, of ignorance.
aaugoaa 2 months ago
@aaugoaa Do you hate it when atheist lump all Christians together! That all Christians are tyrannical, manipulative, bigoted, gay bashing jerks! Do you like it? Probably not, so stop lumping Atheists together! That is kinda what he was saying in the video!
Inovocre12 2 months ago
@Inovocre12 it would be unreasonable to ask me to divide every atheists choices on what parts of fundamental atheism they agree with, i go on the majority, and one only needs to watch atheist videos to come to the conclusions i have come to, just like you came to your fundamental understanding of the majority of Christians.
aaugoaa 2 months ago
@aaugoaa Unreasonable? Not a Christian... Look I never said anything like that, not once, in fact I asked you a question, which you did not answer, then you made an assumption! Which retards the whole discussion we are having here!
Inovocre12 2 months ago
@Inovocre12 i do not want a discussion with you, i do not have long discussions with people who think the word retarded or any other "atheist" insults your bully mind set can come up with is worth my time. i gave all the opinions i want to give on this video, you don't like my opinion.
well tough....byeeee
aaugoaa 2 months ago
@aaugoaa You would think that the word retarded was an insult, it wasn't, just saying that with assumptions, the discussion would "slow down"! And here are some more assumptions... never did I say I was atheist, and never did I insult, oh and never did I Bully!
So, like some Christians I know, you assume everything, from what I am trying to say to the big giant invisible sky daddy! You speak for him like he speaks to you! And we know he doesn't!
Inovocre12 2 months ago
@aaugoaa No. My suggestions are made in my words. What you suggest is your suggestions.
Do you need a diagram?
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
@MartinJWillett lol i will leave you to get on with your campaign against religion. don't forget to never let your children watch television, or read books with any evil actions for them to be influenced by.
when you all realise what hypocrites you're ...i might take you a tiny bit more seriously.
:0)
aaugoaa 2 months ago
@aaugoaa My children are grown up and they like fiction and know what it is and how it works. They don't believe in it as if it is real. They also learned about Jesus and could see that was a fictional story too, and not as good as Shakespeare or Doctor Who.
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
Merry Bah Humbug!
DMSProduktions 2 months ago
I don't give a fiech Marty, You sound great.
Bendersound 2 months ago
Merry Christmas, the best for you and your family :)
MWJEFF1 2 months ago
i don't care that people celebrate Christmas anyway they want to, but many, mostly atheists want to change it from merry Christmas to "Happy Holiday" and i believe this is because they want to alter the meaning of the day. i am more than aware that the 25th December is a day that is a symbol of many religious beliefs.
this day will never be "just a Holiday" people will always want to know the origin of the meaning of this day, whether atheists like it or not.
aaugoaa 2 months ago
@aaugoaa To be fair there are a number of pre-christian festivals around the same date - it's clear early Christians hijacked these as part of their conversion attempts. Perhaps people shouldn't worry so much about Christimas/Saturnalia/Yuletide - there are many meanings to the festivities - it's not exclusively Christian and was never Christian originally anyway.
Hereticalable 2 months ago
@Hereticalable you are kidding yourself if you think that if you drown out Christianity with thousands of years of other religious beliefs, that you get rid of God.
think about it.
aaugoaa 2 months ago
@Hereticalable i do not know if you are aware or not, so i will tell you, many of the American/English elite/royalty and political agenda of both countries is full of ancient Egyptian religious symbolism.
the very religious ancient Egyptians are very much still alive within these world powers.
aaugoaa 2 months ago
@aaugoaa Nobody knows what month Jesus was meant to have been born in, still less what day. Christians imposed their meaning on the people's celebrations. Or at least they tried. It has never worked properly despite all their efforts. Most people find the bits about baby Jesus and the supposed cosmic significance of him the easiest things to drop and the bits that are least missed.
In America many churches don't even open on Christmas Day, because of the holiday, which really says it all!
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
@MartinJWillett myths do not die because people do not understand them, or because they might not have any historical proof. that is why they are called a myth. history does not die either.
There will never be a time when the meaning of this public holiday of the 25th December will be forgotten, i am surprised you think it will. people will always want to know what the origin of the meaning of any public holiday is. even if it is only because of curiosity.
aaugoaa 2 months ago
@aaugoaa The 25th of December is the day when the sun's return to the Northern Hemisphere can be seen. The solstice has passed, the days are now getting longer - the unconquered sun, Sol Invictus, has returned. The reason for the season is simply the season. The Christians stole the day and its celebrations for their imported Jewish religion, cancelling winter festivals makes the plebs restless so they are renamed and new myths written over the top of the old myths.
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
@MartinJWillett i know what the origin of the 25th December is Martin, do you really think you're teaching me anything about mythology. most Christians are aware of it too.i know this myth originates with the ancient Egyptians...and i still celebrate it as a myth that was passed down through the ages. and i still believe in God. nothing as changed.
did you really believe people believe in God just because of myths.
oh well...
aaugoaa 2 months ago
@MartinJWillett just one more thing Martin, it doesn't matter if the atheist agenda burned every religious book there is. or tear down the temples, so people have no way to remember history. like the Spanish Inquisition.
just how are atheists going to stop people from having spiritual experiences. which is what started all religious beliefs. you might not believe that, but God philosophy started with a thought, not a temple or a book.
lol
aaugoaa 2 months ago
@aaugoaa Do people who don't believe in ghosts want to ban all ghost stories? No, only if they have competing supernatural tales or party dogmas to put in their place. I don't give a flying fuck what you believe, but you should only teach supernatural bollocks to adults. Lying to children and scaring and scarring them with dangerous myths is evil.
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
@MartinJWillett well theres a big diffrence in the two. see ghost stories never influenced people to cause genocide or witch burnings. we banned hitlers book, and im pretty sure theres more violence and murder in the bible. so as for banning it.... no. i agree. ban them from bringing religion to politcal seats if anything.
compendiumgravemind 2 months ago
@compendiumgravemind Who is this mysterious we who banned Hitler's book and where do you think it is banned?
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
@MartinJWillett weird.... it sounds an awful lot like you never heard of mein kampf. and we being almsot every country except from india its used as business text book. oddly.
compendiumgravemind 2 months ago
@compendiumgravemind What kind diseased web sites do you get your information from!?
ricksterZ 2 months ago
@ricksterZ and under which rock have you been living?
compendiumgravemind 2 months ago
@compendiumgravemind You are wrong, insulting those who point out that you are wrong will not make you right.
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
@compendiumgravemind You can't buy Mein Kampf in China, Austria, the Netherlands or Argentina, but there's no problem in getting a copy in most countries, if you are of such a mind. It's not a very good book.
I could get it on my Kindle in a minute, for £2.14. But I'd rather buy a sandwich.
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
@MartinJWillett There is an audio book out on torrent. Go to Torrenz and type Mein Kampf in the search bar.
neitilinvandring 2 months ago
@neitilinvandring Why? Those are not words anybody should have read at them.
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
@MartinJWillett Ignoring Mine Kampf when you study National Socialism/WW2 history is ignorant. Like ignoring the more hateful koran when you study islam, or islamic history. Like ignoring Das Kapital when you study communism/marxism, or it's history.
neitilinvandring 2 months ago
@neitilinvandring If I want to study it I will read it not have it read at me. The world is full of far too many books and I am not studying National Socialism.
Possessive its has no apostrophe.
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
@MartinJWillett Well English in not my first or second language and commenting on grammar on youtube is pathetic. I study History so I have read them all.
neitilinvandring 2 months ago
@neitilinvandring
Would you prefer that he let you continue to write it incorrectly? Why?
GhostOfMisterRogers 2 months ago
@GhostOfMisterRogers It is youtube, and English grammar lessons is not what I'm looking for when I give some information about how to get one of the important books in world history for free.
neitilinvandring 2 months ago
@neitilinvandring Commenting on being corrected is truly pathetic. Do you react with fury and wounded masculine pride when your teachers point out your errors? If nobody points out an error how can you learn? They will just mark you down inside, silently, and let you continue showing yourself up in future. How is that doing you a favour?
You study history. Not everybody does. As I said if I decide I need to know exactly what is in Mein Kampf I will read it, not have it read at me.
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
@MartinJWillett One of you point was price. I pointed out that you can get it for free on audio books from Torrentz. I don't care about grammar on youtube as long as every one understand. You care more about grammar, as you have proven here, than the fact that you can get it for free. If you only read then there are some PDF's out there. Also free.
neitilinvandring 2 months ago
@neitilinvandring If I want to read it I will read it. I won't ever want it read at me. The price wasn't an issue, I mentioned it merely to underline just how available it was.
Wise people thank those who correct them. Fools react as if a correction was a wounding insult. Always say thank you when you are corrected (assuming the correction is valid), those who intended to help receive the thanks they deserve, those who intended to belittle receive what they deserve as well.
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
@MartinJWillett i would agree that some religious interpretations of a God philosophy are evil. I have nothing to do with that sort of thing, and i don't believe in it, and i do not take myths literally let alone teach any child that kind of interpretation. However...
aaugoaa 2 months ago
@aaugoaa However what? However Christianity was the religion of the last army to beat the crap out of your ancestors and you are stuck with the idea that it alone is the only valid source of morality. You are a victim and like the victims of domestic abuse and cultural genital mutilation (of both sexes) you wish to continue the tradition of abuse into another generation.
Put the book down and step away from the children.
MartinJWillett 2 months ago
Happy capitalist gains day.
BahamutDKing 2 months ago
Hope you had a Merry Christmas, Martin. From a fellow atheist.
hughkenrick 2 months ago
Hmmm.... I guess I'd probably have to wonder about the difference between gradual change and a revolution. If a revolution necessarily involves force or coercion, then the difference is very distinct. However, if the difference is that a revolution is a rush of change, couldn't one just jump onto an existing non-violent revolution, such as this ever-accelerating tech revolution and avoid causing any significant additional damage?
justicetrooper 2 months ago
@zwiiyt Ron wants to abolish the department of education and commerce. The depravity, despair, and starvation just those two actions could unleash would dwarf the wars tens of times over. You're basing your opinions off of weak assumptions. I'm saying we should focus on stopping the biggest threat to our freedom right now- the corporate, financial and governmental trinity of destruction. Only the morons of the earth believe 14 year olds with automatic weapons pose a threat to freedom.
NanoHorizon 2 months ago
Christmas is very offensive to us fake-muslims! The bible is full of references to pine-trees, santa-claus and rein-deers! Therefore it is very offensive to us fake-muslims who have chosen to leave oppresive muslims lands in order to live in free christian lands! Minorities must have the last word! It is only democracy if the a small minority as us make the rules! And if you disagree you are all racists!
(naah, didnt mean all that, i just wanted to make fun of muslim-apologists)
Moslem74275 2 months ago
its a celebration bitches if you hate it so much dont take any days off
MsReefmaster 2 months ago
@zwiiyt Ron is a Racist and a bigot, as has been recently exposed. Perhaps Ron has changed since his news letters, maybe he's not a racist or a bigot (atleast not anymore) but he definitely was and seems to be still. Having said all that- he's the best thing the Americans have going for them, because he seems to be the only one willing to fight back the corporate and financial rapists, not just of America but the whole world.
NanoHorizon 2 months ago
It is at it's base an integral part of consumerism in this country.
martyngmeyers 2 months ago
I called it chrismyth.
martyngmeyers 2 months ago
Don't disrespect your atheist brothers who have been sweating and bleeding and dying in the trenches while fighting the good fight against Christmas. BTW, that reminds me of a really cool song...
ral1334 2 months ago