CNN: Part 2, Sirius XM's Michelangelo Signorile and others Debate Obama's Speech to Gay Group

[wolfinleather]

I've always wondered why no one brings up were african americans happy with incremental rights? Did they ever stop being vocal. Them saying 10 years... NO it's been 40+ years since STONEWALL! 40 Years and ONE BILL? ONE LAW? Really... 40 Years it's time for incrementalists to stuff it! It's time for our rights NOW not next year not 10 years from now... NOW!

[fiveb85]

I have a problem with Hilary's logic. Laws take time to pass, therefore the President and Congress should go ahead and take their sweet time even starting to get the ball rolling? If anything, the fact that laws take time to pass is all the more reason for the President to start putting pressure on Congress NOW; all the more reason that Congress should start drafting legislation NOW. If it really takes so long, the last thing we should we should do is patiently wait for them to get STARTED.

[chelseatown118]

As a lesbian, I'd like to answer the question about gay men vs. gay women on action/patience and say that some lesbians, like myself, are for quick action NOW! I'm sick of patience! The president and congress need to act now!

[rg0057]

3:35 How dare Hilary accuse Dan Choi of doing nothing and complaining. Isn't SHE the one doing nothing and complainig?

[MaryJesusJoseph]

It bothers me when someone (in this case Hillary Rosen) who was given the majority of time gets on someone else for interrupting her.

[MaryJesusJoseph]

Hilary Rosen and the HRC and groups like that are so afraid of losing their access to mainstream politicians that they are absolutely useless. They won't push at all.

[rkcoon]

Normally, I am a fan of you, Michelangelo, however, this is one of those times I think you are pushing too hard. I have to agree with Hilary Rosen - This is a HUGE battle, one thats been not 8, but 50 years in the making, and expecting Obama to pull the proverbial rabbit out of the hat in 9 months is expecting miracles.

Give your President the chance to do the job you all elected him to do, he still has 3+ years left.

[rg0057]

OK, rkcoon, how many years does the Democratic House have? If Obama can't even get his friends to work on omnibus civil rights legislation, can't even get them to work on more than one issue at a time, what will his track record be with a Republican House? After 50 years, the time is NOW.

[rkcoon]

Im not saying walk away from it - i am saying dont expect one man to take the proverbial pile of dog crap that currently is equal rights - among what, 300,000 other things Obama has to fix - and turn it into gold overnight. It wont happen, and you risk alienating the guy your expecting to do the work for you on the issues at hand. Support the guy, dont admonish him cause he isnt going as fast as you folks want.

[MaryJesusJoseph]

So, civil rights should be issue #300,001?

[MaryJesusJoseph]

Trouble is, what if the Dems lose the house and senate next year? What then? Should we be glad they waited? We may never have this chance again.

[fiveb85]

If incrementalism is "part of the process," so is constant pressure from the public.  It's the JOB of grassroots organizations to keep saying "this is not enough" until it finally is. There is absolutely no value in shutting up and waiting patiently, as Hilary suggests. The second you do that is the second that even this half-assed incrementalism will stop.

[gurggy]

Yea it is alot for Aunt Suzy to swallow; and anyone who is right in their mind to swallow, (no pun intended). The lip service is lovely. Hmmm....from a Gay political activist, what does that mean? Want an ulcer? Just add CNN and instant ucler. Fruits of spirit: Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self control. Can you have any of these if you join these people in perpetual argument? I think not. Let God handle them and stay happy. God's go this! LOL

[cweyer]

Not all of the country is there yet? Oh f*cking well. Deal with it.