Amazing over-heaping helping of BS! FuCK beliefs, religion is the deadliest disease ever to inflict mankind. No more needs to be said. If only all religious monsters would simply kill themselves it would greatly benefit mankind. Now that would be something amazing. otherwise religion ALL of them is a sickness and a serious sickness. And this should be clear to anyone of a sane mind.
I will just say that the second half of this sermon was the most compelling argument against christianity. Maybe the devil forced him to say it? Or maybe the secular universe compelled him to speak the truth, and clarify, time and time again, that christianity is not based upon evidence but upon a leap of faith. And then that mystical experience that you had afterwards - that sealed the deal for you huh? Didn't bother you that millions of non-christians experience the same feelins?
What a ridiculous sermon. You might as well ask "Why is that unrelated people across the globe all say that the sea is made of rain and river water?" Because you look at the evidence and apply logic or science to it, and come up with an answer. Not because Neptune is deceiving everybody. I find it fascinating that you believe that all you need do is preach to people and then they are expected to accept your doctrine on trust alone. Where else would that happen?
I have started a new website for religious people to discuss there religious beliefs. I just thought I would send you a message to invite you to come have a look and see if you would like to join in some of the conversations.
No, they were not. The Catholics claimed to be over and above what the Bible said. When it should be the church following what the Bible says, not what they want it to say. How is Christianity a knock off of Judaism? From what the Jews had, it said Christ would come. He did. That man was Jesus and taught what eventually would come in the New Testament(God's new Covenant with man).
@xXxSiLEncErXx There was no 'Bible' before the Ecumenical councils (the future Catholic church) selectively compiled and revised the texts (none of them contemporary works at the time of Jesus) that best fit their worldview. Jesus preached heresy, as he claimed to be the only way to god and eternal life, and that he was the son of god; the concept of the 'trinity' was not even proposed by Jesus. It was a concept manufactured, once again, by the Catholic church.
@RebelWrestler45 Jesus' disciples were the leaders of the church. And the New Testament was written within a hundred years of Jesus' death(some of it, anyway). Then after a few hundred years the leaders of the church corrupted it.(After it became the Catholic church) They probably were like "Hey, since we're the only ones who know what the Bible really says, we can lie and make everyone give us money and power." ...
@xXxSiLEncErXx No, the Bible in its original form was selectively compiled by the church itself; all the disciples were long dead and gone even before the gospels were written. No contemporary sources exist; the new testament is a load of unsubstantiated hearsay selectively compiled by the church, who included or excluded gospels to fit their worldview. The church didn't 'corrupt' the Bible, they created it.
@RebelWrestler45 ... or in other words, a lie. For example indulgences(paying for a family or friends soul to come back to the physical world from purgatory), and paying for the sins you've committed. That's not only unbiblical, but a sin. And the trinity is a good example of the Father/Son/Holy Spirit relationship.
The very fact the Catholics claim the church has power over the Bible is a red flag. That is completely unbiblical.
@facebook123123 I wasn't planning on it. Something I'd like you to do for me is: disprove that there is a God.(now i don't know if you believe in evolution, but that's the "popular" thing now a days.) Well lets start here; if we evolved, over eons of time. There had to be matter in the first place. Well, where did that matter come from? Where did that energy come from? Now I don't know about you, but i find it odd that we "evolved" out of soup, but don't know how that soup got there. ...
@xXxSiLEncErXx It is impossible to disprove the the existence of something that does not exist; because the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Furthermore, the burden of proof lies with the claimant; atheists (for the most part) do not claim that there is no god; merely that there is not sufficient evidence to justify a belief in a god. 'God' is the ultimate non-answer.
@facebook123123 ... Or how that energy existed to spark that.
Another thing to think about is;look at the cell, eyeball, the worm, for that matter. Those are just 3 examples of all the other complex organs/elements of the body.
If you ask a scientist(and they've done this) which was more complicated out of a 747, robot, computer, and worm.They would pick the worm.
Don't tell me you can't see the intelligent design behind stuff like the cell,etc.If not God,then something/someone Supernatural.
@xXxSiLEncErXx No, you cannot assume design just because something is complex; are 747's, robots, and computers animate, self replicating biological systems? Of course not. We understand how natural selection drives speciation; there is no design, just the appearance of design to those who don't know any better. Evolution in its simplest terms is this (to use a Richard Dawkins definition) "The non random survival of randomly varying replicators".
@RebelWrestler45 We can assume that something is more complex than what man can make. And if our scientists are so smart why can't they make a worm? or some soup(or THE soup) that will randomly somehow know how to survive on its own?
Ok, so we'll accept everything Mr. Dawkins says as truth? Tell me how those random replicators knew how to "not randomly" survive.
@xXxSiLEncErXx Simple, because intelligent beings don't create life. Once again, your ignorance is staggering; survival of the fittest is non random survival, has nothing to do with intelligence, it has everything to do with a population's adaptation to environment. Individuals don't evolve, populations do.
@xXxSiLEncErXx No, you're ignorant because you are making assertions about the theory of evolution by natural selection which are not true, and making presuppositions about the state of nature that you have no substantiated. 500 characters isn't enough to explain the evolution of the human from a single celled eukaryote; do yourself a favor, do some unbiased research on your own. Hell, even use wikipedia; education never hurt anybody.
@xXxSiLEncErXx There are MILLIONS of fossils to back it up; hell, we even have fossils of humans' likely direct ancestor, homo sapiens idaltu. See, this is the problem, you haven't looked up any of this information for yourself; you've just been spoon fed religious drivel from the pulpit, and misinformation from creationists.
@RebelWrestler45 Oh really? Were you spoon fed that stuff from high school? sounds like it. I've seen plenty of fossils. There is no direct link between species in fossils proving evolution. And our "likely" direct ancestor? likely? Sounds believed-to-be, but not proven. And no I haven't heard any of this from church.
@xXxSiLEncErXx I grew up in an evangelical house and I also went to a Christian school in central Virginia. You need to abandon this notion of single causality, or a single piece of evidence substantiating a theory. It is the aggregation of massive amounts of evidence which justifies a theory; fossils are only a part of the evidence. We have no DNA samples from homo sapiens idaltu, but morphologically it fits the gap b/w modern humans and Homo heidelbergensis (a definite ancestor)
@RebelWrestler45 LAWL you are a homo! xD and yeah dude, iz more than fossils, there are also "insert fancy name for incomlete study to prove evolution that I found on wikipedia" and also there is "insert negative rant on all the negatives of religion I found on google" to be considered!
@RebelWrestler45 I am so proud of you for defending your views on youtube by saying you have lots of facts! It must be hard for people like you to handle other people having theories? I also am proud that you took the time to look this video up inbetween jerking off your tiny penis! Seriously, you are my hero for being brave enough to argue over the internet! (You might be too stupid to understand that I am being sarcastic, quite arguing on youtube, you sound insecure?)
@xXxSiLEncErXx Hey hey now, that isn';t fare! Im an edumacated athiest and ur dumb! WE smart scince types have a whole 7 fossils of mankeys and if you believe hard enough you can pretend they are people! That way we dont have to be accountable for our actions! cause we can deny everything and just argue on utube
@RebelWrestler45 Hey rebelwrestler, are you rebeling against wrestlers because you are scared of them or are you putting "wrestle" in your name to sound tough? INSECURE! xD I want to see you some day in all your scientific glory! ;D
@xXxSiLEncErXx We're no strangers to love You know the rules and so do I A full commitment's what I'm thinking of You wouldn't get this from any other guy I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling Gotta make you understand Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you There is my proof.
... The big difference between Christianity and other world religions or Christianity based beliefs is that: Christianity believes Jesus Christ was God. On the other side you have people who believe Jesus was just a good spiritual leader/teacher, but not God.
The catholic church was corrupted for a long time. it was during the 16th century that Martin Luther(a monk) found the truth about the Bible and did his best to out forward true Christianity. And I would agree, the Koran is copied off of both of them. And the problem with the Jews is that they denied that Jesus was the Christ. In fact, some of the Jewish leaders were tools for Jesus' execution. ...
@xXxSiLEncErXx The Catholic Church and the ecumenical councils were the entities that created the Bible; the Qur'an is a plagiarization of Judaism just as Christianity is. Jesus' direct heresy is what got him executed, as he claimed to be the only way to god and eternal life; not only did this upset the Jewish hierarchy, it is blasphemy, directly in the face of old testament scripture.
@xXxSiLEncErXx ; and the catholic church was the founding church of christianity, and Islam is copied after both the jewish faith and christianity. Actually both christianity and Islam are off shoot sof the jewish faith. Arabs are for the most part decendents of jewish tribe sof Israel. All of the islamic bible or koran main characters are jewish. God, Jesus, moses, norah, ect.
@1963danno Good replay and it's the truth. xXxSiLEncErXx knows this to be true. He is how he was raised, not how it is or how god made him. he did as yuo said committed to his environment(home)
@xXxSiLEncErXx You can neither prove nor disprove the theory that giant reptilian germans exist, but would you stand and listen to someone's belief in it? No, because it's stupid.
If you have unfounded and/ or unproven beliefs, keep them to your fucking self. It's not hard, and you can still congregate with all the people that share your unfounded or unproven belief.
Maybe when the God particle is finally proven, you will all quieten down.
@1963danno It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that when you take part in communion does it turn into Christ's actual, physical body- that's bogus. Did you ever read your Bible when you were Catholic? And what says we were born as athiests?
And when I was younger, i knew some Bible stories, good stuff and bad stuff, etc. But i never really embraced the Bible or studied it.
@1963danno You do realize, in the first "Proof" he said he's taking it "literally" right? Now I can't answer the first two proofs. But there's probably someone who can.
And regarding the 3 "Proof." The virgin birth, burial in a rock tomb, and resurrection after 3 days have everything to do with Jesus. And also, the guy who wrote that put all "God believing" beliefs in a box. Catholic is way different from what true Christians believe.
@xXxSiLEncErXx ; W@ow man yuo are way off base; The first christian church was the "HOLY ROMAN CATHIOLIC CHURCH" THIS WAS CHRISTIANITY FOR OVER A 1000 YRS BEFORE LATER IN EUROPE AND BRITIAN LEADERS BEGAN TO CHANGE RELIGION TO SUIT THEMSELVES(KINGS MAINLY) . tHE CHURCH OF eNGLAND WHICH LATER BECAME THE CENTER PEICE OF RELIGION FOR MOST AMERICANS WAS FORMED BECAUSE THE KING OF ENGLAND COULD NOT GET PERMISSION FORM THE CATHIOLIC CHURCH TO DIVORCE HIS WIFE AND MARY SOMEONE ELSE.
That was the Catholic church. They manipulated the system because they were the only ones that knew what the BIble said, Because then the Bible wasn't translated in English. So they could make the Bible say whatever they wanted it to. They got what they wanted: power(after they took advantage of a young, naive king, manipulating him to give them power) and money(they charged money for sins and other things; which is clearly unbiblical). ....
@otherworldtrader1 ... And anyone who attended a Catholic church didn't have a Bible, so they didn't know what it said. And it wasn't in English, so they couldn't read it at church. It wasn't until the 13th, 14th, and/or 15th (I don't remember when) that some Catholic priests(for ex, Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingly, etc.) read their Bibles and found that what the Catholic believe was hob-wash. Google Martin Luther's 95 Theses. ...
@otherworldtrader1 ... And to note: sometimes(when the truth of the Bible starting getting out to people via the priests who understood the Bible) the Catholic priests, since they basicly controlled the government, put some of these priests to death. For example one was burned alive then drowned, then forty years later, since the Catholics hated him so much, they dug up the remnants, burned them, drowned them again.
Why? Because they knew that those priests had caught onto them. ...
@1963danno Limbs can't be restored? And dude I told you, God isn't some genie who'll grant all your wishes. And when someone dies, they die. I'm sorry about your dad. But he won't be coming back.
@1963danno That doesn't mean that. You don't understand.
All the bad stuff in this world is here for a reason. Because Adam & Eve sinned. Sin(the bottomless pit), knowledge of good and evil, disease, death; all that entered the world. It's our punishment.
And when the BIble talks about praying, it doesn't mean that if you pray for a million bucks, you'll get it. God isn't some genie with an unlimited amount of wishes. He may grant you what you pray for, He may not.
@1963danno Know what you're talking about before you trash it.
The Dead Sea Scrolls were found in the 1940s-1950s and those are remnants of the Hebrew Bible. Which is our Bible today, just not translated into english.
They found Ninevah, which(in Bible times) was suppose to burned up if they didn't repent of what their sins but Jonah got there and warned them.
@xXxSiLEncErXx ;;; Our translation came from the greek slaves from which the roman emperor who invented christianity relied when he looked at the Jewish custom of one god and decide that would work better for Rome.
@1963danno So you mean to say Jesus wasn't real? Most all historians don't deny his existence. I read on a "God debate' the other day and a guy commented that there was a poll on over 1000 historians and on one hand he could count how many denied the existence of Christ. Regardless of if God is real or not to you, Jesus lived. And the Bible is historic, proven by non-Bible believing historians. There are many archaeological findings that prove stories in the Bibile. ...
@1963danno Because you probably don't want to seek and find the answers through the BIble. "Thinking is the hardest work there is, that's probably why so few engage in it." - Henry Ford
@xXxSiLEncErXx You have no idea how funny it is to see that quote coming from you. Following Christian doctrine and the Bible does not involve thinking. Following religion does not involve thinking. When one makes a claim in anything other than religion they are expected to back that claim with evidence. Atheist don't necessarily believe there is no possibility of God but rather they lack a belief in any particular God because there is no evidence of God. I rely on rationalism, not feeling.
And mmhmm., The Bible takes quite a deal of understanding. For example, someone will look at the verse in Isaiah saying "...They will sore on wings like eagles, they will walk and not grow weary,.." and take it literally and think "So i could fly, or walk for an infinite amount of time without getting tired. And there are two kinds of atheists: The one you mentioned, and the others who simply do not believe in God(or a god).
@1963danno Show me evolution. Or aliens. Or the big bang.
Well he did. But you're a little to ignorant to accept it, because it's full of stuff you don't like, or don't understand. "You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." - Jeremiah 29:13.
Regardless of what any of the religious infected beleive the fact is had they been born in another time or area they would not beleive a thing they now accept as true.
If so, that's not physical. It's Spiritual. 3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]”
@otherworldtrader1 "'How can someone be born when they are old?' Nicodemus asked. 'Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!' Jesus answered, 'Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. ...
@otherworldtrader1 ... You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.'" - John 3:3-8
@xXxSiLEncErXx Wow, after reading even more of your comments I've realized you are not just ignorant, you are also hard-headed and foolish. Although, this doesn't differ from most radical Christians anyway so I'm sure you fit right in with your crowd. For your information the Bible is not a credible source. If you tried quoting the Bible as fact for any credible academic journal you would be laughed at and never taken seriously again. Why don't you take a sociology or philosophy course?
OIL: The Arabian Peninsula comes in a distant second as there's much more of it locked in the tar-sands of Alberta Province (Canada). But, humanity doesn't really need petroleum to run liquid-fuel engines as the means to extract (or isolate) hydrogen from water (fresh & salt) is in practice. The Nipponese are running cars solely on water now.
People who are infected with religion can be cured. Just read(really read it not just listen to the preacher rumble and accept his version of how it is) yuor bible, and learn it's history and how it came to be. Remember most christians use the new testament which was written because so many were being killed following the old, and law caught up with them.
@otherworldtrader1 I read my Bible. I gave you scriptural reference. And how do you know he's not there? Oh and you believe in magic, huh? Show me some magical power. Well I think that's a little "farfetched."
And infected? Yeah there are a lot of wack jobs out there that take things out of context and bang things way out of meaning.
And I'm not quite sure what you're getting at with that with that ?
@otherworldtrader1 The war thing doesn't disprove anything. God said that there'll be wars and rumors of wars. And there has been. "When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come." - Mark 13:7 (NIV) Prophecy come true? I think so.
God is beyound out imagination because he is imaginary. God is invisable to us because he is not there. God is all powerful because when yuo want something to exist that isn't there yuo just use majic. Early predictions such as there will be wars, and rumors of wars was easy as there have always been wars and rumors of wars. That's how god works. There have alwasy been god sence the humans saw a way to control people with imaginary gods.
@xXxSiLEncErXx . I think mos twomen would agree with me that it's rape when yuo cause a female to become pregrant without her consent or knowledge. What else would yuo call it.
@otherworldtrader1 Last Post: I like this, all a Christian man has to do is rape a women he likes and marry her, and of course throw her father a bone too. Haha.
(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
@CrazyDoggy1 That's the old testament. And plus part of that old culture. No one follows that anymore. Because the culture has changed- a ton. and we have the New Testament.
@xXxSiLEncErXx Let me guess...your evidence for God is the birds, the bees and the trees? Your only evidence is faith, and faith is not evidence at all. By the way, if your Religion is the absolute truth why does it change(Old Testament-New Testament)? You don't need to answer that because you'll give a foolish answer anyway. Good day.
@CrazyDoggy1 The sophistication of all bodily systems and elements down to the cell. It's far to sophisticated that evolution couldn't of done it. Well then people shouldn't be putting faith in the "fact" that God isn't real. Or in evolution for that matter. Even though it's the most accepted reason how we came here; does not mean it's true. Cause the Old Testament(in BIble times) was God's first covenant with man, then it changed. God made a new covenant with man(the New Testament) ...
@CrazyDoggy1 ...And that's what is followed; not to say there isn't wisdom in the Old Testament.
And look for answers, instead of assume. Find out something for yourself instead of rationalizing it and following what the crowd says. This is something I've learned lately.
3) And well wouldn't you think that if there was a God that he might be powerful enough to do something like that? God can do things beyond our imagination. "How great is God--beyond our understanding! The number of his years is past finding out." - Job 36:26 (NIV)
@xXxSiLEncErXx yeah is beyound understanding. Lets see god first knocks up this young girl using his magic powers. than he himself is born as his son whom he later allows the romans to kill to please the jewish leadership. Now why is that so hard for me to understand.
@xXxSiLEncErXx ; What I don't understand is how yuo can beleive a book just because yuor parents or yuor neighbors told yuo it's real when it's a book of fiction. Go read the history and yuo should understand that it's allenvironmental. Yuo are what yuo were raised as. Take an arab with 10 kids. Raise half of them in an american baptist sitting and the other half in an muslim sitting. both side sof the siblins will beleive the other to be complete wrong. God is unreal
@otherworldtrader1 They didn't. I believe because i want to. What the Bible says connects with reality. That's what you notice if you look closely at Christianity and any other "religion." If it's true it must connect with reality somehow. The Bible is also historical, if you didn't read what i said below. So I'd still believe it if I were a Christian or not. Because it's historical. And of course the siblings would be split on what they believe. That' how they were raised. ...
Also doesn't mean someone from either side coundn't convert to the opposing side. But that doesn't mean one side is more right than the other.
And " You are what you were raised as." isn't also true.
I had a friend who i grew up with in church, but then he moved and i saw him less. He always told me when he turned 18 he'd start drinking, smoking, and move out of the house.
@otherworldtrader1 "Just cause he wanted to." And in all my early years all that stuff made little sense to me. I "played church" so to speak. Cause I didn't really understand. But as I've grown older and studied these things the more it made sense. I'm a Christian because I choose to be.
"My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. '
1) He didn't rape her. Rape "is the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse." note: physical. Also read Luke 1:26-38
2) Because of the Fall of Man. Man fell into sin. And the only atonement for that sin(sin is limitless, there is no amount) is a pure soul. Jesus was born and lived a perfect life as atonement for our sin. (to be continued)
@xXxSiLEncErXx don't forget jesus was god and god was jesus, both were something called the holy ghost sounds about like a really disfunctional family. Makes the bundys, and the griffins look good
@otherworldtrader1 You got it backwards. The Trinity is the basic example for any family, Mother, Father, and Son or Daughter. They're all different but all one.
If there is no God or supreme being then what is the point of life? is there a point?
if there is not God or point of life then does that mean good and bad doesn't exist and it's actually just something man made up? that means I can steal and kill and it's okay according to what you believe...am I right? you can't say no because according to you we randomly got created and there is no supreme being telling us what really is right or wrong.
EXACTLY MY POINT! as though things like that and much worse arent goin on all around you 24/7! unless of course, u live in a bubble somehow, in some sheltered existence oblivious to the real world. dunno. anything's possible. +++
@acr08807 perfect comment! LOL! yep, the word "religion" is not even used in the Holy Bible! (oh excuse me, 3 times, and its nothing positive!) they used RELIGION to crucify our LORD! ive heard it said that CHRIST came to put and end to religion! Paul speaks against "Divisions of the church." in Corinthians. So many get the terms faith and religion twisted. The bible is a book about FAITH. NOT RELIGION! +++
@VideoAudioDisco09 maybe he should have spelled it out in simpler terms so "smart" guys like you could comprehend it! cuz obviously u missed his point!
As he says "I have NO Evidence I just want you to believe" so I can cash in on the gulible.
I know of a preacher who became an atheist 3 months before he stopped doing his "SHOW" preaching.
A lady came up to him one time and said she could feel the spirit of the lord on him, which he thought was interesting as he felt nothing and in fact was now an atheist. Just shows it is in the hype and mind only.
something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.
2 - Faith
belief that is not based on proof:
Belief can be without evidence, but faith is without evidence by definition. So, your entire foolish, disgusting argument that encourages people to be ignorant and not to question the truth of their claims is wrong.
@AntitheistPOV regardless of what system of beliefs we have or where our faith lies, TRUTH STANDS ALONE, TRUTH IS NOT BASED ON ANYONES OPINIONS, BELIEFS, OR IGNORANCE OF IT! just because people chose to not accept the truth, doesnt make it any less true! IGNORING THE TRUTH DOESNT MAKE IT GO AWAY EITHER! lol +++
@AntitheistPOV Columbus set out 2 prove the earth was round, therefore he must have had FAITH in his belief that it was! thats pretty straight forward logic dont u agree? as far as belief in GOD, Faith is defined as "All things hoped for, THE EVIDENCE of things not seen." u dont always have to understand exactly how a miracle happens to see the results of it! Esp when sheer coincidence or luck (which i believe in neither because they are superstition) or random chance are all ruled out! +++
Columbus was one of many people that believed that the Earth was spherical. It had nothing to do with "faith", people as early as Aristotle had provided evidence and reasoning suggesting that the Earth could not be flat. There is a large gap between a reasoned and reasonable belief and faith.
And, no, the definition of "faith" is (as I posted before) - a belief not based on proof.
And . . . yes, you we always have to understand how something works. This is how progress is made.
A "miracle" is simply an unlikely occurance given supernatural meaning, by people who are biased to impose supernatural meanings on almost anything, to support their beliefs.
@AntitheistPOV sure absolutely! i have a technical background also, but ive learned not to question GOD and to simply trust HIM because HE's revealed Himself to me as a result. People i question all the time and dont put any faith into because they will always let u down. JESUS SAID "I WILL NEVER LEAVE U, NOR FORSAKE YOU." JESUS HAS NEVER BROKEN A PROMISE! +++
I don't recall saying anything about the "shape of the world". I said we make progress through study and understanding.
However, I'm sure you're right. We'd all be much happier living in bronze age Palestine, dying from teeth infections and burning or bludgeoning people to death for fictitious insults to our creator.
@zerogullibility@vinyl45s4ever It seems you made an assumption that @craighartonline took issue with someone leaving their faith (or that he is Christian, for that matter). He was merely pointing out that there is some historical evidence of the existence of Jesus, but that in itself is NOT enough to equate him to the son of God, and therefore we should not blindly follow the Bible, which has not shown itself to capable of standing up to challenges posed by those in the "thinking class."
The Christian myths were first related of Horus or Osiris( Egyptian Gods), who was the embodiment of divine goodness, wisdom, truth and purity, Horus and Jesus are born from a virgin. Both Horus and Jesus were born to a Mary and Joseph. Both were born of royal descent. Both births were announced by angels and witnessed by shepherds.Both were heralded by stars and angels, Both had 12 disciples.Both walked on water. Both performed miracles, coincidence? I think not. Jesus Was a fake.
Jesus' existence is nothing more than hearsay. What evidence is there? The Bible? WOW! A book that declares itself as truth. Pretty weak argument!
Was Jesus a scholar, a teacher? Why did he NEVER write anything Himself? Was He illiterate? Why did NOBODY who ever met Jesus write anything about those extraordinary events down as they happened? There is no eye witness testimony by ANYBODY who encountered this Jesus, the OLDEST "witness" texts written 40+ years AFTER Crucifiction!
@zerogullibility What sort of evidence are there you ask? It is actually proven, scientifically that Jesus existed. The devil put a dark seal on people so they cannot see the truth but go to hell. Peter knew that Jesus was the son of God way before we got the bible. God showed it to him.
"Why did NOBODY who ever met Jesus write anything about those extraordinary events down as they happened?"
You obviously have never read the Bible.
All of the gospels have accounts in which Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John encountered Jesus and his actions. They were all written down as to how each of them saw the event. Read the New Testament and you will find loads of stories about Jesus and his actions.
@zerogullibility The question is not whether or not Jesus existed...there are historical records to indicate he did. The question is, was he the literal son of God. I personally don't think so, but that is where the debate would lie.
@craighartonline The question is not whether we rational thinkers believe in "certain kind of ghosts and magic" or whether we DON'T. Face it, we don't, and you won't change our minds by merely insisting we MUST.
@zerogullibility Ah, yes, so typical of "thinking" people to engage in ad hominem attacks. Very clever and erudite, my friend. Apparently, you were blinded by your brilliance so much that you missed my humble point altogether. I actually don't believe the divinity of Jesus myself, I was merely responding to your highly obtuse comment regarding there being no evidence of Jesus' physical existence. And now, if my liege will excuse me, I will shuffle back to my minion chambers in search of a life.
@craighartonline Does it make your blood curtle to see so many people leave their previous "faith" and now prefer thinking and reasoning instead of the old ways of just "believing"?
Atheism is a normal progression of human evolution. Don't like it? Tough!
You're in your own little world and are ticked off at the dwinding population. You have the fredom to go on the way you alwasy have, but please stop worrying so much aboput others. We just outgrown the taste for blind faith. More for you!
@vinyl45s4ever Oh, my god...uh, I left my faith, too! I was raised Christian, I'm not Christian! I have said TWICE that the divinity of Jesus is not an issue for me. How else can I say it? If you want to be considered one of the "thinking class," I suggest you start paying attention. Oh, and start thinking.
Not exactly god's answer to Chritopher Hitchens - he didn't look really convinced in what he was saying. The book of religion sayeth "Boring old farts shall not waste the time of U-tubers looking for something interesting or thought provoking."
Atheist - Which is filled with impossibilities and contradictions. So not proof of anything.
Rory Davidson - Yet you use it to form a lack of belief, do you believe in the proof of your lack of belief, since you think the bible isn't proof?
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Christ's words exist for all eternity, despite all calumnious words put forth by anyone.
Christ taught (teaches) us the word of God: He said (says) "Always treat others as you would like them to treat you" and added "This is the law and the prophets"
Why does anyone need proof that his words are true. How does anyone prove that his words are Truth?
You say "jesus was not real" - yet his words of truth are indisputable! - You say "God is an Ideology" - But that is your description of God. Not mine. for my God (Father) is called "Truth" - So, do "we all know the same thing"?
By saying "jesus was not real" are you not claiming yourself to be superior? and are you not also still crucifying him, as they did over nearly 2000 years ago?
@2gointruth The "story" of Jesus isnt what one has been conditioned to believe' How can one crusify a fake and imaginary person? And what does that mean? Someone made up the word God' to represent all things' like many words which dont have any depth to actual things' Superior? Yes there is such a thing called being right minded' which is what the charachter Jesus portrayed' actually read the whole new test and see that most things stated were not physically possible' he left in a cloud?
@2gointruth Yes so let me get this straight.A man who lives in freedom is an "out of control adolescent".But a man who gets on his knees and prays for something that doesnt exist and reads a lot of lies from a man made book is purely a person who is in control.Ill give u an advice....Grow some BALLS!
The catholic church. If only they would approve condoms they could save millions in Africa. Where does the bible say people must die needlessly?
22ness0hayden 2 days ago
Amazing over-heaping helping of BS! FuCK beliefs, religion is the deadliest disease ever to inflict mankind. No more needs to be said. If only all religious monsters would simply kill themselves it would greatly benefit mankind. Now that would be something amazing. otherwise religion ALL of them is a sickness and a serious sickness. And this should be clear to anyone of a sane mind.
scotty 4 days ago
I lol'ed. Good stuff.
JamesUnionFilms 1 week ago
I will just say that the second half of this sermon was the most compelling argument against christianity. Maybe the devil forced him to say it? Or maybe the secular universe compelled him to speak the truth, and clarify, time and time again, that christianity is not based upon evidence but upon a leap of faith. And then that mystical experience that you had afterwards - that sealed the deal for you huh? Didn't bother you that millions of non-christians experience the same feelins?
matbroomfield 2 weeks ago
What a ridiculous sermon. You might as well ask "Why is that unrelated people across the globe all say that the sea is made of rain and river water?" Because you look at the evidence and apply logic or science to it, and come up with an answer. Not because Neptune is deceiving everybody. I find it fascinating that you believe that all you need do is preach to people and then they are expected to accept your doctrine on trust alone. Where else would that happen?
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Beyond the Devil by C. Neron
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Fail troll.
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
This is serious now, rebelwrestler, you and I should be friends on youtube so we can have these smart arguements on many videos!
MyBlastoiseIsBigger 1 month ago
No, they were not. The Catholics claimed to be over and above what the Bible said. When it should be the church following what the Bible says, not what they want it to say. How is Christianity a knock off of Judaism? From what the Jews had, it said Christ would come. He did. That man was Jesus and taught what eventually would come in the New Testament(God's new Covenant with man).
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx There was no 'Bible' before the Ecumenical councils (the future Catholic church) selectively compiled and revised the texts (none of them contemporary works at the time of Jesus) that best fit their worldview. Jesus preached heresy, as he claimed to be the only way to god and eternal life, and that he was the son of god; the concept of the 'trinity' was not even proposed by Jesus. It was a concept manufactured, once again, by the Catholic church.
RebelWrestler45 1 month ago
@RebelWrestler45 Jesus' disciples were the leaders of the church. And the New Testament was written within a hundred years of Jesus' death(some of it, anyway). Then after a few hundred years the leaders of the church corrupted it.(After it became the Catholic church) They probably were like "Hey, since we're the only ones who know what the Bible really says, we can lie and make everyone give us money and power." ...
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx No, the Bible in its original form was selectively compiled by the church itself; all the disciples were long dead and gone even before the gospels were written. No contemporary sources exist; the new testament is a load of unsubstantiated hearsay selectively compiled by the church, who included or excluded gospels to fit their worldview. The church didn't 'corrupt' the Bible, they created it.
RebelWrestler45 1 month ago
@RebelWrestler45 I'm sorry. There's a gap in what I was explaining. Forgive me.
What I meant is the leaders of the church corrupted the church, not that Bible. This is my mistake. But that's what I meant.
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@RebelWrestler45 ... or in other words, a lie. For example indulgences(paying for a family or friends soul to come back to the physical world from purgatory), and paying for the sins you've committed. That's not only unbiblical, but a sin. And the trinity is a good example of the Father/Son/Holy Spirit relationship.
The very fact the Catholics claim the church has power over the Bible is a red flag. That is completely unbiblical.
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
There iz no god.
facebook123123 1 month ago
@facebook123123 Prove it.
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx Prove to me there is a god. Keep in mind any reference from the Bible or any other religious book is not proof.
facebook123123 1 month ago
@facebook123123 I wasn't planning on it. Something I'd like you to do for me is: disprove that there is a God.(now i don't know if you believe in evolution, but that's the "popular" thing now a days.) Well lets start here; if we evolved, over eons of time. There had to be matter in the first place. Well, where did that matter come from? Where did that energy come from? Now I don't know about you, but i find it odd that we "evolved" out of soup, but don't know how that soup got there. ...
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx It is impossible to disprove the the existence of something that does not exist; because the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Furthermore, the burden of proof lies with the claimant; atheists (for the most part) do not claim that there is no god; merely that there is not sufficient evidence to justify a belief in a god. 'God' is the ultimate non-answer.
RebelWrestler45 1 month ago
@facebook123123 ... Or how that energy existed to spark that.
Another thing to think about is;look at the cell, eyeball, the worm, for that matter. Those are just 3 examples of all the other complex organs/elements of the body.
If you ask a scientist(and they've done this) which was more complicated out of a 747, robot, computer, and worm.They would pick the worm.
Don't tell me you can't see the intelligent design behind stuff like the cell,etc.If not God,then something/someone Supernatural.
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx No, you cannot assume design just because something is complex; are 747's, robots, and computers animate, self replicating biological systems? Of course not. We understand how natural selection drives speciation; there is no design, just the appearance of design to those who don't know any better. Evolution in its simplest terms is this (to use a Richard Dawkins definition) "The non random survival of randomly varying replicators".
RebelWrestler45 1 month ago
@RebelWrestler45 We can assume that something is more complex than what man can make. And if our scientists are so smart why can't they make a worm? or some soup(or THE soup) that will randomly somehow know how to survive on its own?
Ok, so we'll accept everything Mr. Dawkins says as truth? Tell me how those random replicators knew how to "not randomly" survive.
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx Simple, because intelligent beings don't create life. Once again, your ignorance is staggering; survival of the fittest is non random survival, has nothing to do with intelligence, it has everything to do with a population's adaptation to environment. Individuals don't evolve, populations do.
RebelWrestler45 1 month ago
@RebelWrestler45 An intelligent being like you or i?
So I'm ignorant for questioning what you believe and standing on what I believe?
So how did it evolve a mind? To think? How did it somehow survive and evolve into a conscious, living, breathing, feeling, human?
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx No, you're ignorant because you are making assertions about the theory of evolution by natural selection which are not true, and making presuppositions about the state of nature that you have no substantiated. 500 characters isn't enough to explain the evolution of the human from a single celled eukaryote; do yourself a favor, do some unbiased research on your own. Hell, even use wikipedia; education never hurt anybody.
RebelWrestler45 1 month ago
@RebelWrestler45 If evolution is so true, how come there are no fossils to back it up?
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@xXxSiLEncErXx There are MILLIONS of fossils to back it up; hell, we even have fossils of humans' likely direct ancestor, homo sapiens idaltu. See, this is the problem, you haven't looked up any of this information for yourself; you've just been spoon fed religious drivel from the pulpit, and misinformation from creationists.
RebelWrestler45 1 month ago
@RebelWrestler45 Oh really? Were you spoon fed that stuff from high school? sounds like it. I've seen plenty of fossils. There is no direct link between species in fossils proving evolution. And our "likely" direct ancestor? likely? Sounds believed-to-be, but not proven. And no I haven't heard any of this from church.
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx I grew up in an evangelical house and I also went to a Christian school in central Virginia. You need to abandon this notion of single causality, or a single piece of evidence substantiating a theory. It is the aggregation of massive amounts of evidence which justifies a theory; fossils are only a part of the evidence. We have no DNA samples from homo sapiens idaltu, but morphologically it fits the gap b/w modern humans and Homo heidelbergensis (a definite ancestor)
RebelWrestler45 1 month ago
@RebelWrestler45 I understand. But just because you have all this evidence, doesn't mean it's 100% proven.
You can't open a lock with 9/10s of a key.
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@RebelWrestler45 LAWL you are a homo! xD and yeah dude, iz more than fossils, there are also "insert fancy name for incomlete study to prove evolution that I found on wikipedia" and also there is "insert negative rant on all the negatives of religion I found on google" to be considered!
MyBlastoiseIsBigger 1 month ago
@RebelWrestler45 I am so proud of you for defending your views on youtube by saying you have lots of facts! It must be hard for people like you to handle other people having theories? I also am proud that you took the time to look this video up inbetween jerking off your tiny penis! Seriously, you are my hero for being brave enough to argue over the internet! (You might be too stupid to understand that I am being sarcastic, quite arguing on youtube, you sound insecure?)
MyBlastoiseIsBigger 1 month ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx Hey hey now, that isn';t fare! Im an edumacated athiest and ur dumb! WE smart scince types have a whole 7 fossils of mankeys and if you believe hard enough you can pretend they are people! That way we dont have to be accountable for our actions! cause we can deny everything and just argue on utube
MyBlastoiseIsBigger 1 month ago
@RebelWrestler45 Hey rebelwrestler, are you rebeling against wrestlers because you are scared of them or are you putting "wrestle" in your name to sound tough? INSECURE! xD I want to see you some day in all your scientific glory! ;D
MyBlastoiseIsBigger 1 month ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx By the way, I am only bashing you 'cause I know you are a big enough man to take it.... and that I find you hilarious!
MyBlastoiseIsBigger 1 month ago
@RebelWrestler45 Survival of the fittest?! Then you should be deeeaaad! xD LAWL get it? 'cause you are weak! ;D
MyBlastoiseIsBigger 1 month ago
facebook123123 1 month ago
@facebook123123 Proof of?
PS, at least I don't look like Rick Astley ;) (all in good humor)
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
... The big difference between Christianity and other world religions or Christianity based beliefs is that: Christianity believes Jesus Christ was God. On the other side you have people who believe Jesus was just a good spiritual leader/teacher, but not God.
(@ otherworldtrader1)
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
The catholic church was corrupted for a long time. it was during the 16th century that Martin Luther(a monk) found the truth about the Bible and did his best to out forward true Christianity. And I would agree, the Koran is copied off of both of them. And the problem with the Jews is that they denied that Jesus was the Christ. In fact, some of the Jewish leaders were tools for Jesus' execution. ...
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx The Catholic Church and the ecumenical councils were the entities that created the Bible; the Qur'an is a plagiarization of Judaism just as Christianity is. Jesus' direct heresy is what got him executed, as he claimed to be the only way to god and eternal life; not only did this upset the Jewish hierarchy, it is blasphemy, directly in the face of old testament scripture.
RebelWrestler45 1 month ago
@RebelWrestler45 So you know, I responded to your statement somewhere below this one.
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
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xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
God doesnt like religion.. dont call his bible religion
frank0067 1 month ago
Simply put, the Catholic church was corrupt up until about 500 ears ago.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx ; and the catholic church was the founding church of christianity, and Islam is copied after both the jewish faith and christianity. Actually both christianity and Islam are off shoot sof the jewish faith. Arabs are for the most part decendents of jewish tribe sof Israel. All of the islamic bible or koran main characters are jewish. God, Jesus, moses, norah, ect.
otherworldtrader1 1 month ago
@1963danno Good replay and it's the truth. xXxSiLEncErXx knows this to be true. He is how he was raised, not how it is or how god made him. he did as yuo said committed to his environment(home)
otherworldtrader1 2 months ago
When God answers prayer, He says either yes, no, or wait.
He isn't a genie who answers your wishes.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx god= non existant
epicKICKINWING2 1 month ago
@epicKICKINWING2 Prove it.
Oh wait, you cant..
Your blind belief that God doesn't exist is no different from our belief that He does exist.
So therefore, he can't be proven or disproved..
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx You can neither prove nor disprove the theory that giant reptilian germans exist, but would you stand and listen to someone's belief in it? No, because it's stupid.
If you have unfounded and/ or unproven beliefs, keep them to your fucking self. It's not hard, and you can still congregate with all the people that share your unfounded or unproven belief.
Maybe when the God particle is finally proven, you will all quieten down.
slittingyourwrists 1 month ago
@slittingyourwrists Well maybe if some of the people who go and boast all about their unproven beliefs, stop; we might too.
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx Allow me to be the first.
slittingyourwrists 1 month ago
@slittingyourwrists The first?
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@1963danno It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that when you take part in communion does it turn into Christ's actual, physical body- that's bogus. Did you ever read your Bible when you were Catholic? And what says we were born as athiests?
And when I was younger, i knew some Bible stories, good stuff and bad stuff, etc. But i never really embraced the Bible or studied it.
That's changed within the last few years.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@1963danno You do realize, in the first "Proof" he said he's taking it "literally" right? Now I can't answer the first two proofs. But there's probably someone who can.
And regarding the 3 "Proof." The virgin birth, burial in a rock tomb, and resurrection after 3 days have everything to do with Jesus. And also, the guy who wrote that put all "God believing" beliefs in a box. Catholic is way different from what true Christians believe.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx ; W@ow man yuo are way off base; The first christian church was the "HOLY ROMAN CATHIOLIC CHURCH" THIS WAS CHRISTIANITY FOR OVER A 1000 YRS BEFORE LATER IN EUROPE AND BRITIAN LEADERS BEGAN TO CHANGE RELIGION TO SUIT THEMSELVES(KINGS MAINLY) . tHE CHURCH OF eNGLAND WHICH LATER BECAME THE CENTER PEICE OF RELIGION FOR MOST AMERICANS WAS FORMED BECAUSE THE KING OF ENGLAND COULD NOT GET PERMISSION FORM THE CATHIOLIC CHURCH TO DIVORCE HIS WIFE AND MARY SOMEONE ELSE.
otherworldtrader1 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1 Mhmmm.
That was the Catholic church. They manipulated the system because they were the only ones that knew what the BIble said, Because then the Bible wasn't translated in English. So they could make the Bible say whatever they wanted it to. They got what they wanted: power(after they took advantage of a young, naive king, manipulating him to give them power) and money(they charged money for sins and other things; which is clearly unbiblical). ....
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1 ... And anyone who attended a Catholic church didn't have a Bible, so they didn't know what it said. And it wasn't in English, so they couldn't read it at church. It wasn't until the 13th, 14th, and/or 15th (I don't remember when) that some Catholic priests(for ex, Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingly, etc.) read their Bibles and found that what the Catholic believe was hob-wash. Google Martin Luther's 95 Theses. ...
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1 ... And to note: sometimes(when the truth of the Bible starting getting out to people via the priests who understood the Bible) the Catholic priests, since they basicly controlled the government, put some of these priests to death. For example one was burned alive then drowned, then forty years later, since the Catholics hated him so much, they dug up the remnants, burned them, drowned them again.
Why? Because they knew that those priests had caught onto them. ...
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1 But the Catholics aren't as extreme anymore about that.
But that doesn't mean they changed much of what they believe.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@1963danno Limbs can't be restored? And dude I told you, God isn't some genie who'll grant all your wishes. And when someone dies, they die. I'm sorry about your dad. But he won't be coming back.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@1963danno That doesn't mean that. You don't understand.
All the bad stuff in this world is here for a reason. Because Adam & Eve sinned. Sin(the bottomless pit), knowledge of good and evil, disease, death; all that entered the world. It's our punishment.
And when the BIble talks about praying, it doesn't mean that if you pray for a million bucks, you'll get it. God isn't some genie with an unlimited amount of wishes. He may grant you what you pray for, He may not.
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@1963danno Prove it.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@1963danno Know what you're talking about before you trash it.
The Dead Sea Scrolls were found in the 1940s-1950s and those are remnants of the Hebrew Bible. Which is our Bible today, just not translated into english.
They found Ninevah, which(in Bible times) was suppose to burned up if they didn't repent of what their sins but Jonah got there and warned them.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx ;;; Our translation came from the greek slaves from which the roman emperor who invented christianity relied when he looked at the Jewish custom of one god and decide that would work better for Rome.
otherworldtrader1 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1 I don't know where you got that from.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@1963danno So you mean to say Jesus wasn't real? Most all historians don't deny his existence. I read on a "God debate' the other day and a guy commented that there was a poll on over 1000 historians and on one hand he could count how many denied the existence of Christ. Regardless of if God is real or not to you, Jesus lived. And the Bible is historic, proven by non-Bible believing historians. There are many archaeological findings that prove stories in the Bibile. ...
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@1963danno Then what do you have for me, mhm?
YOU give ME answers.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@1963danno Because you probably don't want to seek and find the answers through the BIble. "Thinking is the hardest work there is, that's probably why so few engage in it." - Henry Ford
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx You have no idea how funny it is to see that quote coming from you. Following Christian doctrine and the Bible does not involve thinking. Following religion does not involve thinking. When one makes a claim in anything other than religion they are expected to back that claim with evidence. Atheist don't necessarily believe there is no possibility of God but rather they lack a belief in any particular God because there is no evidence of God. I rely on rationalism, not feeling.
CrazyDoggy1 1 month ago
@CrazyDoggy1 Which quote? Henry Ford?
And mmhmm., The Bible takes quite a deal of understanding. For example, someone will look at the verse in Isaiah saying "...They will sore on wings like eagles, they will walk and not grow weary,.." and take it literally and think "So i could fly, or walk for an infinite amount of time without getting tired. And there are two kinds of atheists: The one you mentioned, and the others who simply do not believe in God(or a god).
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@CrazyDoggy1 ...And if you believed the Bible, the evidence for him is all around you.
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@1963danno Show me evolution. Or aliens. Or the big bang.
Well he did. But you're a little to ignorant to accept it, because it's full of stuff you don't like, or don't understand. "You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." - Jeremiah 29:13.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
Regardless of what any of the religious infected beleive the fact is had they been born in another time or area they would not beleive a thing they now accept as true.
otherworldtrader1 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1 Are you going at our "Born again Christian" thing?
If so, that's not physical. It's Spiritual. 3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]”
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1 "'How can someone be born when they are old?' Nicodemus asked. 'Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!' Jesus answered, 'Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. ...
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1 ... You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.'" - John 3:3-8
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@1963danno me too pussy rules.
otherworldtrader1 2 months ago
@1963danno You're just backing yourself into a corner. We're using facts here. Not what you think. Note: think.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx Wow, after reading even more of your comments I've realized you are not just ignorant, you are also hard-headed and foolish. Although, this doesn't differ from most radical Christians anyway so I'm sure you fit right in with your crowd. For your information the Bible is not a credible source. If you tried quoting the Bible as fact for any credible academic journal you would be laughed at and never taken seriously again. Why don't you take a sociology or philosophy course?
CrazyDoggy1 1 month ago
@CrazyDoggy1 What are you accusing me of? Being correct?
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
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OIL: The Arabian Peninsula comes in a distant second as there's much more of it locked in the tar-sands of Alberta Province (Canada). But, humanity doesn't really need petroleum to run liquid-fuel engines as the means to extract (or isolate) hydrogen from water (fresh & salt) is in practice. The Nipponese are running cars solely on water now.
IconsOfTeleplay 2 months ago
@1963dago : A better question: Where's your gay-pride now?
IconsOfTeleplay 2 months ago
God... please forgive them. they don't know what they're doing.
please all of you, ask the forgiveness of God.
frotzbite23 2 months ago
@frotzbite23 - I don't think Odin really cares.
P0weredByPie 2 months ago
People who are infected with religion can be cured. Just read(really read it not just listen to the preacher rumble and accept his version of how it is) yuor bible, and learn it's history and how it came to be. Remember most christians use the new testament which was written because so many were being killed following the old, and law caught up with them.
otherworldtrader1 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1 I read my Bible. I gave you scriptural reference. And how do you know he's not there? Oh and you believe in magic, huh? Show me some magical power. Well I think that's a little "farfetched."
And infected? Yeah there are a lot of wack jobs out there that take things out of context and bang things way out of meaning.
And I'm not quite sure what you're getting at with that with that ?
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1 The war thing doesn't disprove anything. God said that there'll be wars and rumors of wars. And there has been. "When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come." - Mark 13:7 (NIV) Prophecy come true? I think so.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
God is beyound out imagination because he is imaginary. God is invisable to us because he is not there. God is all powerful because when yuo want something to exist that isn't there yuo just use majic. Early predictions such as there will be wars, and rumors of wars was easy as there have always been wars and rumors of wars. That's how god works. There have alwasy been god sence the humans saw a way to control people with imaginary gods.
otherworldtrader1 2 months ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx . I think mos twomen would agree with me that it's rape when yuo cause a female to become pregrant without her consent or knowledge. What else would yuo call it.
otherworldtrader1 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1 Last Post: I like this, all a Christian man has to do is rape a women he likes and marry her, and of course throw her father a bone too. Haha.
(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
CrazyDoggy1 1 month ago
@CrazyDoggy1 That's the old testament. And plus part of that old culture. No one follows that anymore. Because the culture has changed- a ton. and we have the New Testament.
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx Let me guess...your evidence for God is the birds, the bees and the trees? Your only evidence is faith, and faith is not evidence at all. By the way, if your Religion is the absolute truth why does it change(Old Testament-New Testament)? You don't need to answer that because you'll give a foolish answer anyway. Good day.
CrazyDoggy1 1 month ago
@CrazyDoggy1 The sophistication of all bodily systems and elements down to the cell. It's far to sophisticated that evolution couldn't of done it. Well then people shouldn't be putting faith in the "fact" that God isn't real. Or in evolution for that matter. Even though it's the most accepted reason how we came here; does not mean it's true. Cause the Old Testament(in BIble times) was God's first covenant with man, then it changed. God made a new covenant with man(the New Testament) ...
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@CrazyDoggy1 ...And that's what is followed; not to say there isn't wisdom in the Old Testament.
And look for answers, instead of assume. Find out something for yourself instead of rationalizing it and following what the crowd says. This is something I've learned lately.
Goodnight.
xXxSiLEncErXx 1 month ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx Irony at it's finest, my good man.
Emlis16 1 month ago
Ignorant? How so?
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
3) And well wouldn't you think that if there was a God that he might be powerful enough to do something like that? God can do things beyond our imagination. "How great is God--beyond our understanding! The number of his years is past finding out." - Job 36:26 (NIV)
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx yeah is beyound understanding. Lets see god first knocks up this young girl using his magic powers. than he himself is born as his son whom he later allows the romans to kill to please the jewish leadership. Now why is that so hard for me to understand.
otherworldtrader1 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1 Exactly. God didn't make us to understand him.
I dont know, why is that hard for you to understand?
Tell me what you don't understand.
:)
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx ; What I don't understand is how yuo can beleive a book just because yuor parents or yuor neighbors told yuo it's real when it's a book of fiction. Go read the history and yuo should understand that it's allenvironmental. Yuo are what yuo were raised as. Take an arab with 10 kids. Raise half of them in an american baptist sitting and the other half in an muslim sitting. both side sof the siblins will beleive the other to be complete wrong. God is unreal
otherworldtrader1 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1 They didn't. I believe because i want to. What the Bible says connects with reality. That's what you notice if you look closely at Christianity and any other "religion." If it's true it must connect with reality somehow. The Bible is also historical, if you didn't read what i said below. So I'd still believe it if I were a Christian or not. Because it's historical. And of course the siblings would be split on what they believe. That' how they were raised. ...
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1 ... That doesn't disprove God.
Also doesn't mean someone from either side coundn't convert to the opposing side. But that doesn't mean one side is more right than the other.
And " You are what you were raised as." isn't also true.
I had a friend who i grew up with in church, but then he moved and i saw him less. He always told me when he turned 18 he'd start drinking, smoking, and move out of the house.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1 "Just cause he wanted to." And in all my early years all that stuff made little sense to me. I "played church" so to speak. Cause I didn't really understand. But as I've grown older and studied these things the more it made sense. I'm a Christian because I choose to be.
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1
I John 2:1-2
"My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. '
1 John 4:10
This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. (I'm not finished)
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1
1) He didn't rape her. Rape "is the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse." note: physical. Also read Luke 1:26-38
2) Because of the Fall of Man. Man fell into sin. And the only atonement for that sin(sin is limitless, there is no amount) is a pure soul. Jesus was born and lived a perfect life as atonement for our sin. (to be continued)
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
@xXxSiLEncErXx don't forget jesus was god and god was jesus, both were something called the holy ghost sounds about like a really disfunctional family. Makes the bundys, and the griffins look good
otherworldtrader1 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1 You got it backwards. The Trinity is the basic example for any family, Mother, Father, and Son or Daughter. They're all different but all one.
A perfectly functional family.
And how does it make them look good?
xXxSiLEncErXx 2 months ago
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Question to Atheists....
If there is no God or supreme being then what is the point of life? is there a point?
if there is not God or point of life then does that mean good and bad doesn't exist and it's actually just something man made up? that means I can steal and kill and it's okay according to what you believe...am I right? you can't say no because according to you we randomly got created and there is no supreme being telling us what really is right or wrong.
craqqer 2 months ago
God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son?
(1)- God raped a young girl to get his son.(when yuo have sex with or cause a woman to have a child without her knowledge or consent it is rape.
(2) god than aranged his son's death to save us?
(3) than god announce dhe was god, and his son jesus was also god, and they along with something called the holy ghost were one and the same.
sounds farfetched? it is. belongs with snowwhite, the easter bunny,
otherworldtrader1 2 months ago
@otherworldtrader1
your ignorant God is real
craqqer 2 months ago
@craqqer :
You-Tube's vast congregation of "atheists" write abysmally. Why is this so? Why is your brethren so poorly represented in this venue?
IconsOfTeleplay 2 months ago
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EXACTLY MY POINT! as though things like that and much worse arent goin on all around you 24/7! unless of course, u live in a bubble somehow, in some sheltered existence oblivious to the real world. dunno. anything's possible. +++
hevy99 2 months ago
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go to my page!
lovegodobeygod 2 months ago
Ted, you have the gift of healing from God--you have cured my insomnia. PRAISE JESUS!
acr08807 3 months ago
@acr08807 perfect comment! LOL! yep, the word "religion" is not even used in the Holy Bible! (oh excuse me, 3 times, and its nothing positive!) they used RELIGION to crucify our LORD! ive heard it said that CHRIST came to put and end to religion! Paul speaks against "Divisions of the church." in Corinthians. So many get the terms faith and religion twisted. The bible is a book about FAITH. NOT RELIGION! +++
hevy99 2 months ago
Again we get the old truth is so by a vote of numbers again, thats not an argument for religion, it is an exsample of mass diception through history.
Sent to earn a living in the religion business is what it is.
5:30 No thats enough I fell my IQ dropping just listening to this drivel.
VideoAudioDisco09 3 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 maybe he should have spelled it out in simpler terms so "smart" guys like you could comprehend it! cuz obviously u missed his point!
hevy99 2 months ago
@hevy99
You don't need to be smart just awake.
My 8 year old knows its crap.
As he says "I have NO Evidence I just want you to believe" so I can cash in on the gulible.
I know of a preacher who became an atheist 3 months before he stopped doing his "SHOW" preaching.
A lady came up to him one time and said she could feel the spirit of the lord on him, which he thought was interesting as he felt nothing and in fact was now an atheist. Just shows it is in the hype and mind only.
VideoAudioDisco09 2 months ago
I don't get it a description of the mental disorder that allows God to be known.
Whats the point.
VideoAudioDisco09 3 months ago
Faith is NOT the same as belief.
1 - Belief
something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.
2 - Faith
belief that is not based on proof:
Belief can be without evidence, but faith is without evidence by definition. So, your entire foolish, disgusting argument that encourages people to be ignorant and not to question the truth of their claims is wrong.
AntitheistPOV 3 months ago
@AntitheistPOV regardless of what system of beliefs we have or where our faith lies, TRUTH STANDS ALONE, TRUTH IS NOT BASED ON ANYONES OPINIONS, BELIEFS, OR IGNORANCE OF IT! just because people chose to not accept the truth, doesnt make it any less true! IGNORING THE TRUTH DOESNT MAKE IT GO AWAY EITHER! lol +++
hevy99 2 months ago
@hevy99
I didn't say anything about truth. I clarified the difference between belief and faith.
Truth is a separate subject . . . one that has nothing to do with faith.
AntitheistPOV 2 months ago
@AntitheistPOV takes a little bit of faith sometimes to discover TRUTH! does it not? Christopher Columbus for example found that out, huh. :)
hevy99 2 months ago
@hevy99
No, it doesn't. Truth is decided by demonstration or evidence. Faith is belief lacking both of those things.
Columbus is a great example of an explorer exploring. I don't see what faith has to do with it?
AntitheistPOV 2 months ago
@AntitheistPOV Columbus set out 2 prove the earth was round, therefore he must have had FAITH in his belief that it was! thats pretty straight forward logic dont u agree? as far as belief in GOD, Faith is defined as "All things hoped for, THE EVIDENCE of things not seen." u dont always have to understand exactly how a miracle happens to see the results of it! Esp when sheer coincidence or luck (which i believe in neither because they are superstition) or random chance are all ruled out! +++
hevy99 2 months ago
@hevy99
Columbus was one of many people that believed that the Earth was spherical. It had nothing to do with "faith", people as early as Aristotle had provided evidence and reasoning suggesting that the Earth could not be flat. There is a large gap between a reasoned and reasonable belief and faith.
And, no, the definition of "faith" is (as I posted before) - a belief not based on proof.
AntitheistPOV 2 months ago
@hevy99
And . . . yes, you we always have to understand how something works. This is how progress is made.
A "miracle" is simply an unlikely occurance given supernatural meaning, by people who are biased to impose supernatural meanings on almost anything, to support their beliefs.
AntitheistPOV 2 months ago
@AntitheistPOV sure absolutely! i have a technical background also, but ive learned not to question GOD and to simply trust HIM because HE's revealed Himself to me as a result. People i question all the time and dont put any faith into because they will always let u down. JESUS SAID "I WILL NEVER LEAVE U, NOR FORSAKE YOU." JESUS HAS NEVER BROKEN A PROMISE! +++
hevy99 2 months ago
@AntitheistPOV so you call the shape of the world today progress? jajajajajajajajajajajaj thats funny!+++
hevy99 2 months ago
@hevy99
I don't recall saying anything about the "shape of the world". I said we make progress through study and understanding.
However, I'm sure you're right. We'd all be much happier living in bronze age Palestine, dying from teeth infections and burning or bludgeoning people to death for fictitious insults to our creator.
AntitheistPOV 2 months ago
@AntitheistPOV what i REALLY see lacking in this wold is the LACK OF FAITH! "Oh ye of little faith?" :-) +++
hevy99 2 months ago
shut the fuck up you bald phaggot
j3553c0x 3 months ago
@j3553c0x
Excellent point. Did you go to school to learn that or are you just a natural debater?
AntitheistPOV 3 months ago
LOL REILIGION.
Gunnerss09 4 months ago
4 Strikes Rule:
1 - offensive, nasty or hateful user name
2 - NO uplifting comments
3 - NO original uploads
4 - unconditional support for ultra-conservatism
Anyone fitting all 4 of the above: I WILL NOT READ or RESPOND to any more of your profoundly flawed, useless and destructive propaganda.
That was a fair warning. I may repeat this message just to remind you.
zerogullibility 4 months ago
@zerogullibility @vinyl45s4ever It seems you made an assumption that @craighartonline took issue with someone leaving their faith (or that he is Christian, for that matter). He was merely pointing out that there is some historical evidence of the existence of Jesus, but that in itself is NOT enough to equate him to the son of God, and therefore we should not blindly follow the Bible, which has not shown itself to capable of standing up to challenges posed by those in the "thinking class."
Kimmer445 4 months ago
Tea Party club members have the lights on, but nobody's home. They subside on prayers only.
To defend Sarah Palin's intellect is like praising the stench of shit.
To praise Sarah Palin for being a Christian woman is like glorifying Adolf Hitler's Catholicity.
To say Sarah Palin has leadership qualities is like saying Ann Coulter is great uniter.
To claim Sarah Palin would be a better president than President Obama is like saying George W. Bush was sent by God to make this a better world.
vinyl45s4ever 4 months ago
The Christian myths were first related of Horus or Osiris( Egyptian Gods), who was the embodiment of divine goodness, wisdom, truth and purity, Horus and Jesus are born from a virgin. Both Horus and Jesus were born to a Mary and Joseph. Both were born of royal descent. Both births were announced by angels and witnessed by shepherds.Both were heralded by stars and angels, Both had 12 disciples.Both walked on water. Both performed miracles, coincidence? I think not. Jesus Was a fake.
TheJohno752 4 months ago
Jesus' existence is nothing more than hearsay. What evidence is there? The Bible? WOW! A book that declares itself as truth. Pretty weak argument!
Was Jesus a scholar, a teacher? Why did he NEVER write anything Himself? Was He illiterate? Why did NOBODY who ever met Jesus write anything about those extraordinary events down as they happened? There is no eye witness testimony by ANYBODY who encountered this Jesus, the OLDEST "witness" texts written 40+ years AFTER Crucifiction!
zerogullibility 4 months ago
@zerogullibility What sort of evidence are there you ask? It is actually proven, scientifically that Jesus existed. The devil put a dark seal on people so they cannot see the truth but go to hell. Peter knew that Jesus was the son of God way before we got the bible. God showed it to him.
M3town3 4 months ago
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Porslu 4 months ago
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@zerogullibility
"Why did NOBODY who ever met Jesus write anything about those extraordinary events down as they happened?"
You obviously have never read the Bible.
All of the gospels have accounts in which Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John encountered Jesus and his actions. They were all written down as to how each of them saw the event. Read the New Testament and you will find loads of stories about Jesus and his actions.
Porslu 4 months ago
@zerogullibility The question is not whether or not Jesus existed...there are historical records to indicate he did. The question is, was he the literal son of God. I personally don't think so, but that is where the debate would lie.
craighartonline 4 months ago
@craighartonline The question is not whether we rational thinkers believe in "certain kind of ghosts and magic" or whether we DON'T. Face it, we don't, and you won't change our minds by merely insisting we MUST.
Get a life!
zerogullibility 4 months ago
@zerogullibility Ah, yes, so typical of "thinking" people to engage in ad hominem attacks. Very clever and erudite, my friend. Apparently, you were blinded by your brilliance so much that you missed my humble point altogether. I actually don't believe the divinity of Jesus myself, I was merely responding to your highly obtuse comment regarding there being no evidence of Jesus' physical existence. And now, if my liege will excuse me, I will shuffle back to my minion chambers in search of a life.
craighartonline 4 months ago
@craighartonline Does it make your blood curtle to see so many people leave their previous "faith" and now prefer thinking and reasoning instead of the old ways of just "believing"?
Atheism is a normal progression of human evolution. Don't like it? Tough!
You're in your own little world and are ticked off at the dwinding population. You have the fredom to go on the way you alwasy have, but please stop worrying so much aboput others. We just outgrown the taste for blind faith. More for you!
vinyl45s4ever 4 months ago
@vinyl45s4ever Oh, my god...uh, I left my faith, too! I was raised Christian, I'm not Christian! I have said TWICE that the divinity of Jesus is not an issue for me. How else can I say it? If you want to be considered one of the "thinking class," I suggest you start paying attention. Oh, and start thinking.
craighartonline 4 months ago
thou knowest theist isist notist talkist inist anyist langigist
cuginetycoon 4 months ago
Not exactly god's answer to Chritopher Hitchens - he didn't look really convinced in what he was saying. The book of religion sayeth "Boring old farts shall not waste the time of U-tubers looking for something interesting or thought provoking."
smoothmicra 4 months ago
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Rory Davidson - mmmm, well we do have the bible
Atheist - Which is filled with impossibilities and contradictions. So not proof of anything.
Rory Davidson - Yet you use it to form a lack of belief, do you believe in the proof of your lack of belief, since you think the bible isn't proof?
Best debate to use against any atheist. Any answer is contradictory, making it an unbeatable statement. You will create a paradox with the atheist. Check out my channel for URL to end all debates(cant post here
rorstar83 5 months ago
Christ's words exist for all eternity, despite all calumnious words put forth by anyone.
Christ taught (teaches) us the word of God: He said (says) "Always treat others as you would like them to treat you" and added "This is the law and the prophets"
Why does anyone need proof that his words are true. How does anyone prove that his words are Truth?
2gointruth 5 months ago
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DrFruedienslip 5 months ago
@DrFruedienslip
You say "jesus was not real" - yet his words of truth are indisputable! - You say "God is an Ideology" - But that is your description of God. Not mine. for my God (Father) is called "Truth" - So, do "we all know the same thing"?
By saying "jesus was not real" are you not claiming yourself to be superior? and are you not also still crucifying him, as they did over nearly 2000 years ago?
2gointruth 5 months ago
@2gointruth
Sorry @DrFruedienslip: A typo by me! I meant to say "over 2000 years ago"
2gointruth 5 months ago
@2gointruth The "story" of Jesus isnt what one has been conditioned to believe' How can one crusify a fake and imaginary person? And what does that mean? Someone made up the word God' to represent all things' like many words which dont have any depth to actual things' Superior? Yes there is such a thing called being right minded' which is what the charachter Jesus portrayed' actually read the whole new test and see that most things stated were not physically possible' he left in a cloud?
DrFruedienslip 5 months ago
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@DrFruedienslip
Then you are saying that you are superior to Jesus Christ?
2gointruth 5 months ago
@2gointruth who gives a shit!
kiransuraj666 5 months ago
@kiransuraj666
Four words surely one would only expect to hear from an out of control adolescent?
2gointruth 5 months ago
@2gointruth Yes so let me get this straight.A man who lives in freedom is an "out of control adolescent".But a man who gets on his knees and prays for something that doesnt exist and reads a lot of lies from a man made book is purely a person who is in control.Ill give u an advice....Grow some BALLS!
kiransuraj666 4 months ago