Roehr Motorcycles 1250sc Motorcycle Review

[thekkl]

Okay Buell stuck HD engines in his bikes because he had to. HD owned Buell, and as a result they still weren't competitive with top foreign bikes. That's not his fault though. Why the fuck is this guy making a good nice motorcycle and sticking a goddamn boat anchor in it?

[rompowertube]

"all american bike" yeah... sure!

A pathetic american engine that needs a supercharger to get some decent performance,

Italian brakes, swedish suspensions and a slovenian exhaust system...

LOL

Want a decent american bike? get a Buell!

[oeyesea]

This is really more of an interview than a review

[wanaraz1]

You can buy a Busa for 30 grand less.

[rotarynut100]

Nice bike .. but I'm more into Buells.

Can't wait for the 1190 to go on sale!!!!!

[dazzelya]

Cool concept but the design (pure aesthetics) seems a bit outdated for my personal taste. The front and sides seem a bit 'off' like someone modified a 1098 fairing set. The tail is alright though.

[choopdewoot]

highland motorcycles makes 150 hp sportbikes that cost about half as much. problem is..small tank

[nasLB]

yeah but it costs 60 000 damn

[jpmorgan187]

I wonder what the gas mileage is like.

News flash: most young guys do not like the loud, grunting sound of a harley engine, instead the inline-4's are preferred.

[choopdewoot]

@jpmorgan187 those things scream like a pack of angry bees. one reason why i like v twins more lol

[jpmorgan187]

@choopdewoot

To each his own. However, the sales of the inline 4's speak for themselves.

[choopdewoot]

@jpmorgan187 you win lol.

[dazzelya]

@jpmorgan187

At 25 I'm young and I like the V-twin sound but I have a Japanese Inline 4. Why? (Besides liking my bike) There are only a few twin cylinder sport bikes out there and they are pricier than most inline 4's :)

[roastbeef150]

if this bike is going to make it he needs to drop the price by at least 25k

[Reapers261]

This bike isn't anything special if you ask me. i don't see the big deal. all he did was take a ducati frame and threw in a supercharged v-rod engine. does sound cool though.

[funkyk7]

Another American BULL S*** ! HD didn't learn 100 years how to make engines and finaly call Porsche to make one . Im truly LMAO on this dude and his fine work and everybody that manage to waste 40k for s..... like that what has nothing special on but A PRICE

[luckylarryblam]

Because they aren't mass produced to lower cost they're bull sh*t? I guess that makes mv's and benellis crap too

[ninjashidan]

looks just like a mv agusta

[bradman158]

looks a bit like a copy of the db7 eg headlight

[rough77]

196 kg (ducati 1098 --> 173 kg)

67 % more expensive than the 1098R

sry: that's crap!

[choopdewoot]

i wonder how much it cost

[deavenger2000]

on ebay for 44k

[steady2wheels]

if it was competetive cost wise this could be a very interesting bike

[fg2cfl]

pero si es una ducati no?

[ZeroLupin]

no, supercharged Harley-Davidson V-rod.

[plasticine86]

Beautiful looking bike.

[Soheilu2000]

Ducati Monster turn signals? Non L.E.D tail light? and the list goes on.... For now the 1098R does the job for almost half the money!

[Soheilu2000]

Good attempt, however for that kind of money, it does not even offer forged mono-block calipers(not referring to the billet version) that are slightly more pricey than the basic four pad versions used on this bike. The very calipers that are used on the even basic version of the 1098/1198 would not have cost much more. Ducati catalog mirrors?, or the R1 Akaropovic canisters (I know the pipings are different). Sole reason of being unique is no longer the case these days.

[voodootl]

if you mean "ducatiesque" by recycled.... every euro or modern bike has a taste of of duck in them.... why not? It works.180 horse with a charger whine from a twin is beautiful......45k is a little steep though

[imola23]

Yeah, I'm going to give my $45,000 to a guy that doesn't have the brains to spit out his gum while being filmed during a product demonstration. Although it was nice of him to let his 10 year old daughter handle the video camera duties. PS: The brakes squeak.

[8976010]

Crap

[jcthawaii]

Unreal all these fags making bad comments on this bike like any of them have ever done any more than type on a keyboard

[Zlaja16]

1.2 liters and only 170 hp with a supercharger...hahahahahah american shit....and euro and jap bikes are still setting the marks

[beastinblack]

although jap fours are soulless, so I guess it is the eurozone that is setting the marks, with passion as well

[TehRacooonODoom]

I am feeling very ignorant right now, are all harley v-twins (like the one in this bike) two stroke?

[onewheat]

All Harleys are V-Twins and none of them are two strokes. Two strokes make good peak horsepower but are not very "clean". That's the readon two stoke dirt bikes and lawn equipment is all going away. You are not allowed to sell 2-stroke anything in CA (of course) anymore.

[mkgranger]

yawn. americans are asleep on this one. 1250 and 168 hp? I know i know its all american but WTF??!! Wake up and build something bitchin! Like a 600 v4 two stroke or sumthin. Sounds like the bike dines on twinkies.

[Joppesan]

Congrats on the American superbike - but...

The design is totally ripped off.

Google - Mondial Piega - and you'll see they made a bike with that design back in 2003. The engine was from the RC51...

[uwpolpie]

Dude get ur facts straight... thats a Supercharged 1250cc Harley V-Rod motor not an RC 51... Know your shit before you mouth off and even make an attempt at sounding intelligent

[Joppesan]

You, sir, totally missed the point. I was writing about the design, only mentioning what engine the Mondial had.

But if that didn't get through, I wouldn't be amazed since English isn't my first language.

But I can try again - google "Mondial Piega", and you'll see what I'm talking about; that's a recycled design (though a nice one, I'll give you that)

[TerribleTimes]

whats with the ryders bad body position......

[kennit1000]

Yeah, I noticed the poor riding position also.

As to your other comment, I have always preferred v4 to vtwin not only in sound but also the power delivery. I think the bike to watch right now would have to be the cross-plane crank R1 they just came out with. I can't say I'm fond of the sound from the new R1, but it's power delivery inspires amazing traction confidence in the rider when you're sticking it out. I wonder what a cross-plane 5-inline or 6-inline would be like.

[TerribleTimes]

Agreed the new cross-plane crank on the R1 is a sweet trickle down from the M1, though I actually really like the sound vs the previous "Screamer" version, not to mention the ability to crank on the power harder comin outa a turn (like to try it out for size before I say its totally the shzit)... still like twins though..eak even old knuckel and pans heads.....oh my I may have said to much..haha

[kennit1000]

I'll pick one up when they go with a 1000cc v4 or 4-inline putting out a respectable bhp. I can't stand vtwin sound or performance and I feel sorry for Haga getting stuck on one this year. The dry weight has to be under 400 pounds.

I'll then buy American instead of Jap.

[TerribleTimes]

ah come on man, you don't like

v-twin..correction, twin cyclinder torque curves..? and what 180hp outa 1250cc ain't good.....? yes i know its got a screw attached to the intake, but still!

[voodootl]

you stated that you cant stand a v twin sound but would consider a v4???? have you ever heard a v4 run?

[kennit1000]

Yes, they sound nothing like a twin. I've ridden one of the new RSV4s and it sounds NOTHING like a Duc.

[Zlaja16]

by DUC you mean their liter bikes which are also v4??

[kennit1000]

Ducati doesn't make production V4 bikes.

[Zlaja16]

the desmosedici...but youre right for the most part

[kennit1000]

the desmo is not really a production bike.

[Zlaja16]

oh but it is

[kennit1000]

It's power to dollar ratio is pathetic even if it technically is a production.

[Zlaja16]

which has nothing to do with anything....

[haodi13]

this bike coming to asia ?

[richardgozinya]

Why do so many people think the Revolution engine was designed by Porsche, when it was a joint project, and based on Harley's VR 1000? Harley hatefests are hilarious, considering their beloved Japanese motorcycle makers all copy (Badly) everything Harley does.

[followtheherdtoo]

mmm.hh..?

[guitaristwagner]

i'm not 2 skeptical of the front head lights

[FORDHAM4U]

the Roehr looks fine to me (could replace my XR 1200...)

[NeumannAlfred]

Very nice concept with the supercharger - I wish more bikes would be legal to ride with a rotrex supercharger.

[1wforacing]

Hayabusa is not even a practical bike. 1300cc motor and it is extremely heavy for a sport bike. all it is good for is a straight line drive. MV agusta has the record for top speed on a stock bike under 1000cc. 198.6mph. thats not to far from the top speed of the hyabusa's top speed. and over 300cc smaller. Ducati will not officially resease the top speed of the desmosedici. 200+ hp in a bike under 420lbs. that would be a dream ride.

[1wforacing]

It is not the most powerful. ducati's desmosedici is a production bike. that is fully street legal. it has over 200hp. And is light as hell. Ducati's 1098r has 186hp and weighs only 381 pounds. Next year they are doing an 1178cc bike. Then aprilia will put into production their v-4. which will also have 200+ hp. All of these bikes have weigh less weight than this bike.Japanese bikes have nothing on American and European bikes. v-twins Have almost twice the torque of inline Japanese bikes.

[UKMK1991]

I said: "Roehr 1250sc is the most powerful and implicit the fastest running production bike that America has to offer."

American bike pal.

[buddybestor]

i don't care what anyone says, i just want to see some comparison tests against other bikes on the same track, road, whatever.

[UKMK1991]

Roehr 1250sc is the most powerful and implicit the fastest running production bike that America has to offer. I know founder of the company and he is motorcycling passionate to the bone.This is European-like bike powered by supercharged 1250cc Harley-Davidson Revolution engine.Roehr produces an amazing 180 HP and proves knowing how to use them. So guys this is just start. Great job Walter, keep going bud.

[Tracti0nAction]

Well let him know his bike is SWEET! The logo is cool too lol!

[SuperBrandango]

@UKMK1991 the new ducati 1198R corse special edition makes 180 hp also

[5959512]

@UKMK1991 ducati makes that kind of power without a supercharger.....not that amazing

[lehrjet31]

I honestly dont think you can compare a buell to a cbr 1000 the bike that most resembels a buell is ducati monster compared to that bike it is perfectly on par. perhaps you should take one for a spin it probably put a smile on you're face. the fact that it not replica racer means that you wont feel to much pressure to ride like a huligan

[Ryknfjor]

but apparently you CANT talk technical cause you dont know why a 600 is better than a buell and remember i said the HD motor isnt that great but as for the rest of the bike it is easily up to par with the non-pioneering 600'S

[Ryknfjor]

from the last I heard Buell doesnt have a factory race team. they offer cash to privateers, racing in any league allowing them to race.

[Ryknfjor]

i know what a gixxer is i rode one they are real nice, except for the the fact they cost way more to insure than a buell, and you got a chain to take care of, i woulda bought a 750gixxer but couldnt swing that kinda cash, payments wise or insurement wise

[Ryknfjor]

dude, i know what im talking about ive got tons of technical experience backing me up. the 600's engine compression is at least 2 atmospheric pressure units higher than the buells'. the 1200 has 85 lbft of torque where as the 600 has maybe 50. the HD 1200 "sportster" engine is based of an archetype of an 1909 design with a few mods like EFI and self-adjusting timing chains. I will agree that the engine that HD has for the buell aint all that but the rest is easily up to par with a 600.

[lehrjet31]

you say you got lots of technical experience but ive had my buell apart and ive never seen any self-adjusting timing chains sorry dud!

[Ryknfjor]

ive read on buell that the later XB 1200's have them theyve been upgrading them even though im pretty sure they wouldnt go to OHC like the big twin alot mine is the ('04 model) good old push rod design in cast aluminum

[Ryknfjor]

explain too me why when ever i get near a 600 of any brand I smoke his ass up to 120? i ride a XB12s. that "guy with the 1200" is self-sponsored your "MOM" is a team of guys with somekind of support as well. besides that AMA isnt known for its twisty taste of tracks. Ben Spies graduated to the almighty Suzuki GSVR and placed 6th in season not bad but lets keep it in perspective here

[lehrjet31]

you are super pissed it almost sounds like you might of got youre ass handed to you buy a couple buells latly hey if you dont like twins stop watching vids about them ok

[Ryknfjor]

And what do you have?

[DuranXL]

haha and then the brakes sqeeuwked +p

[925ninja]

Dont forget about the Russian exhaust...swedish suspension....or wherever ohlins is from....

[kahonamalone]

All American? Your supercharger is made in Denmark. The engine was designed by Porsche, and the last time I checked Ducati was an Italian company. American NOT!

[96JUSTIN]

might be quick but it sure is ugly!

[momodragon]

it sounds like there is crap stuck in the exhaust... no ? :D

[StanK27]

So very tasteless...

[66Beanshit]

I ran out of space to mention the Italian brakes, also.

"Makes a DesmoSedici look like a CBR?" I DON'T fuckin think so, mate!

For $50K, Why the Hell --wouldn't-- I just buy a Sedici? Sounds and looks a lot better, makes 40+ more hp, and is 50 lbs. lighter.

I'll ask again. What's so paradigm-stretching here? Rich Americans with money to throw at top-shelf components certainly isn't it....

...Fail, try again.

[Owashu]

not 50k 75k and there limited production "sold out" 75 miles to a tank of gas to that the part that sucks. :}

all tho theirs a lot of bike id rather buy than this one.

[66Beanshit]

OK, then:

1)The fact that there is absolutely nothing innovative or paradigm-stretching here

2)The engine was designed by Porsche, the suspension is Swedish, the exhaust is Finnish (I think. Or Italian) made for a Japanese bike, the switchgear and wheels are Italian, and the bodywork and frame are copies of current-gen Italian pieces.

3) It probably will cost a fortune despite being as conventional as it is because of all those top-shelf components.

So: What's the big deal here, exactly?

[sweetassassin101]

AMERICANS ARE LAZY FUCKS

[elmofreak95]

canadians are idiots--socialization serves noone but the wealthy

[mzahra1]

hence why the whole world hates americans? and puleeeeeze dont say its jealousy, wouldnt trade for the world.

[Ryknfjor]

thats why we work 100+ hrs a week.

Dumbass

[mzahra1]

Not only does this prototype boast Ohlins suspension, Brembo brakes, a Rotrex supercharger, Ducati switchgear and a V-rod powerplant, it also pumps out168hp and 100 ft-lbs of torque!

American manufacture?!

[lehrjet31]

its funny how guys who ride 4s only mention hp number you need torque behind the HP or you will be waiting all day for the engine to do something.4 cylinder down shift 2-3 gears twins down shift 0-1 gear to find sweet spot ;)

[ProfessorIgor]

hey !! It's Blackhawk Farms Raceway in IL... I have probably got 1500 laps under by butt at that track..

[lateapex31]

A V rod engine developed by Porsche, Swedish suspension, Rotrex supercharger from Denmark.....nothing on this bike is from the USA besides the labor to put it together. Not saying it isn't a good bike or not, I don't know and won't form an opinion based on a video.

Mindless nationalism is what got the USA into our current situation, we aren't just arbitrarily better than everyone. Previous generations worked hard to get us to the top of the heap, now we are sliding down rather quickly.

[Ryknfjor]

And what about the frame and the fairing? the Vrod 1250cc WATER-COOLED engine was CO-designed with Porsche. As was the 1125r's Helicon engine with Buell/BRP Rotax (Austrian)

[saweet999]

well they didt really make a bike, they dont even have thier own engines. why cant american bike maker make a 4cyclinder bike that revs to 15k rpm. oh and this thing will probably be over priced like harleys, and buels.

[JonnyTommyGuns]

exactly. WTF.

[saweet999]

yah this doesnt compete with the 4 cylender ''crotch rocket'' cus it isnt a 4 cyclender. i can see it competing with the ducati v twins cus of the v twin and it looks like a ripoff syle of a ducati, but if it is going to cost alot then pple will just keep bying ducaties instead of this. the only people i c who will be buying this are people who buy stuff based on where it was made.

[JonnyTommyGuns]

i would take a ducati over this bike for sure. america sucks for all vehicles. if america can make 4 cyl. cars why cant a decent american company make 4 cyl. bikes....

[arnoldk62]

america held onto the v-twin for to long, now they are so far behind, that even if they did build a 4 cyl, it would be like this bike, made of other countries parts, be super expensive, and still not be able to compete with the current jap bikes.

[JonnyTommyGuns]

we could if there was enough money invested into it. like 30 million. that would be enough to develop and mass produce them.

[TheTallMan35]

When it comes to pickup trucks and SUVs America is on the money. And even the europeans have admitted that the new Caddy CTS is tough to beat.  We're getting there.

[JonnyTommyGuns]

Thats funny you mention the CTS thats a car ive been looking at to buy. right after i get a bike : )

[mzahra1]

But try to understand WHY americans are in love with SUV's and pickup trucks ;o)

[Ryknfjor]

how would it not compete? it will destroy any current 4 cylinder on a track. if you dont believe me watch a vid of the buell XBRR (150hp. 100 lbft) racing R1's ZX10R's and GIXXER1000's and running off from them. besides my Buell XB12s destroys 600's and runs with 750's based off an engine made in 1909. Its also cheaper ($6700) as well as to insure

[lehrjet31]

saweet999 you say buells are over priced i just bought 08 1125r for $11900 cnd so how much are those ducs anyway?

[blakbanshee]

50 grand and it can be yours. I doubt these are going to be in production for long :(

[nabbunsechkie]

dude the ecosse heretic titanium costs $275,000 so hush.

[jonzie377]

it looks like a ducati...but still american made awsome!

[bobbyhill791]

man fuck ye....i think if they car perfect the v-twin motors to compete with the inline 4s then so b it....fuck the japanese n european bikes,....there good but its time the states get in the game...but it would b cool to have an inline 4 in that bike

[jraybay]

I agree and I'm a canadian :D . harley davidson's suck so badly! . no offense if u like them . I like where roehr is going with this bike. they make it sound like a ducati *european bike*, better than a harley sound. plus harleys are so slow and loud. it's all about sportbikes. right now europe is making the best though man. america will eventually start making some good ones. when they start using all the technology in the world we live in today :D .

[TOPWATER187]

why keep using that piece of crap harley davidson calls a motor? with all the technology america can develop dont you think its time to produce a inline four to compete with japan and europe? or you can stick with tradition and keep having your ass handed to you. this will end up in the same pile as the suzuki tl and the honda rc51 great idea but SMALL following america is long overdue for a real superbike and this is not it. even BMW saw the light look at their new bike why re invent what wins

[cassettecartridge]

you've never ridden an RC51.

[merob89]

fuck dat-U-S-A! U-S-A!

[lehrjet31]

you think RC51 piece of crap you are one funny dude

[alheimnj]

Wow saruji, relax man. Really? Really?