in israel to this day they still killing innocent kids the jews were bannished in palistine they can only come back when there messiah comes but they killed jesus and there messiah what is coming is the antichrist jews have ruined christians and they laugh to this day
I've asked christians under what circuimstance genocide is right? I've asked directly, I've tricked them into the situation by first saying that god is powerless, and they bring up gods most mightiest feats of power=genocides, and then I ask them, how is that right? No answers. Except for one, that a painter has the right to rip his own painting, but that is jsut a gateway to genocide, which means religions are fucking dangerous, when most peaceful supporters can be made to support genocide.
Since the biblical God has already determined what has already happen, we have no free will, as we are all his plan, and we live in a deterministic universe. The Calvinist are right in that interpretation Free will is an illusion, and we have no choice, so its God's fault the world is in the situation it is today, and it cannot be all good, or even ethical, and evil originates from God.God is essentially sending people to hell, for the actions he made them do. Genocide is the nicer actions.
I don't understand the surprise. What else would you expect from something written in the dark days by MEN? So far it has clearly been a good tool, throughout history, to yolk all those daft enough to believe it is truly the word of a god. Its about time people just did what they thought was the RIGHT THING for their neighbour and forgot all this mumbo jumbo. This damp-eyed bilge merely promotes divisions between peoples and stops our true quest to discover the secrets of the Universe
"The question is what is the absolute standard of morality. If it's what you feel, then there is no objective standard as we all have different feelings."
But the same applies to Yahweh! The Bible shows that Yahweh is sometimes merciful, other times vengeful, sometimes pleased, sometimes disatisfied. Like us, when exposed to certain stimuli, he changes his disposition. And like us, he changes his mind and regrets things that he previously did/said/commanded...
... And he also behaves kinda abitrarily on occasion.
Now, we can of course say that we cannot fathom the depths of his thinking and we just have toi accept that there are things about him that might never make any sense to us. But at least with my feelings, I can evaluate them and put them through rigorous test. If they can be shown to be faulty and improper, then I can always change them and change my sens eof morality if necessary...
You miss the point. That's where foundation matters. Deity is Creator and that makes him the judge. Plus, since he is creator of everything, including space and time, it puts him outside of the emotional responses you take so literally. A holistic reading of scripture would show that such descriptions of Deity are simply anthropomorphisms. So again, your thinking is illogical on two fronts...
Since you've thrown objective morality aside to test the actions of the Foundation of all reality as if he were trapped with us in matter, no firm ground is possible since there's no absolute right or wrong. Testing can't help: what authority is there to testing? If it's your feeling it's right then your heart's different to everyone else's. Rationality can't help: rationality cannot prove its own authority...
1) You still treat the one who is supposed to be creator of us all and then judge him as if he is one of us, which makes no sense fundamentally. 2) Based on the foundation that Deity is creator of us all, that necessarily makes descriptions of his actions anthropomorphisms used to help us understand. In fact, since Deity created everything which, again using anthropomorphism, shows his wisdom and knowledge, it shows the logic of your "rigorous testing" to be severely lacking.
I found the arguments not well thought through. In order to refute a system or a way of action, the foundational structure has to be shown wrong first. That wasn't done here. All that was shown was how human-based actions results in sad events and how the human action was wrong. And then the Deity of the Jewish Bible is then judged as a man: the superficial action is judged without regarding differences in the source of the action and the surrounding context. So the video was disappointing.
Hey H, nice to have your input on this vid. I get what you're saying. But for me, it really is first and foremost about a gut instinct feeling that killing innocent people is wrong and bad.
As you know, I have tried to confront this feeling. I tried to think that Yahweh is perfect and everything he does is good, and that it is imporper to question his actions.
But I was not able to get away from the basic disgustingness of these commands. I have just not been able to get past that...
... It's the same as if there were commands to, say, commit rape, or to sadistically torture people, etc. I guess I could be accused of judging things holding on to moral standards that I have been inculcated with in this modern western liberal 'democracy' that I live.
This video wasn't intending to refute and discount the entire worldview and morality of the Bible. I was just sharing the thing that prompted me to head in the direction I'm now heading in...
... Also, I still think there is a lot of awesome stuff in there. Good moral principles and teachings and narratives that people can learn much from.
But, at the same time, and using the same standards of discernment, I think that there ar emany teachings and precepts in the Bible that are not good.
It has to do with what the standard for morality is. Nobody said it's wrong to question the Almighty's actions. Jews do it! Abraham & Moses did it; it's always acknowledging the difference between the authority of gut feelings & that of authority of the Creator. To start on a journey that says he's not creator because he does or commands things we find difficult to swallow isn't logical...
The question is what is the absolute standard of morality. If it's what you feel, then there is no objective standard as we all have different feelings. In fact, if it isn't the Creator, there is no objective standard. Everyone's entitled to their own choice. Even the Torah says that there is free choice. So I understand your ability to go the way you've chosen. But if this was the start of your journey, it doesn't seem to be a very concrete or justified beginning.
So that makes your end conclusion questionable. Of course I disagree with both this beginning and the end conclusions; the beginning for the reasons stated; and the end conclusion for others.
Only 5 yrs of christianity? talk about being raised in it. I was raised "southern" Pentacostal & attended Catholic school K thru 8 grade. As a girl religion never made sense 2 me. I couldn't unds how God of the Bible was so jealous & went around smiting ppl...fast forwrd now that I'm grown 4 the past 3 yrs I've been returning 2 my ancestor's ways (AKAN/Ghana) spirituality
Good for you my sister. It's shame that we have been so comprehensively brainswashed that most of our people think that our ancient ancestral ways are the very epitome of wickedness and evil.
i no longer believe in the bible either. it started with the history of its writing and then more recently i have been studying egyptology and hieroglyphics. this seems to be the the original of everything. and even then, its translations are not accurate either. it appears as if the sun of god turned into the son of god. good video, keep em coming
The Hebrew bible is for the Hebrew people. If you are not Hebrew, there's no need to read it. After all it was revealed to them as the so called chosen people. There are many nations on earth with their own stories.
I haven't said that I don't believe in God. I just no longer believer that the Bible is from front to back, a revelation from the Creator. I stil lthink there may well be a Creator but this Creator is not the being that is called Yahweh and who is described in the Bible.
Its a complex because The Bible actually states to be conformed to the world you become an enemy of God and at the same time Psalm 145 says "The Lord is good to all".
It sought of becomes an issue of exclusivety, Yeshua even called Gentiles "dogs" and in fact people who do not worship YHVH are considered to be dead already "let the dead bury their own dead".
I can't justify genocide but God doesn't have to justify Himself to me
Right. Try telling an elderly man or little toddler that is God is love just at the same time you are about to chop their head off because God told you to.
like an abusive husband telling his wife that he loves her and is really a good guy.
like imperialist white people claiming that they are bringing forth civilization and development for our own good. Yahweh behave like a tribal god, that is all.
It was my understanding that when God gave the order, that it was understood as , give the nations a chance to repent, other wise kill them. or also, that that such things as homosexuality, bestiality were common, and that even children were defiled with those activities. Perhaps up until the conquest, God had given them a chance to repent. (mechelzidek?) and since when conquest came they hadnt repented, they received the same punishment a Israelite would get according to torah
The case of the Amekites is important. There is no mention at all of any general sinfulness among that people. All we know is that they attacked the Israelites. There and then, Yahweh says He hates them forever.
Then, over four hundred years later, Yahweh decides to send in the troops to wipe out every last Amelekite...
... And once again, these are human beings we are talking about. They had families and friends, hopes and aspirations.
They were men and women, many of whome would have been pregnant. Elderly, the sick, the depressed, the homeless, etc. Tis is what we need to remember, these are human beings! Imagine, young parents celerbating their first child and were enjoying the entry of this new life into their world. Imagine thebabies who had just learned how to walk, how to babble their first words...
Next time you are just walking down the street, or on a train or something. Look around you. Look at the people doing their daily business. Listen to the children playing and talking to their mothers. That is life. That's human life. It's a beautiful thing.
And then bear this in mind next time you consider the idea that Yahweh commanded the Isralites to carry our repeated campagins of mass-killing against entire villages, towns & tribes.
That was extremely slanted, did you forget some verse, like Deuteronomy 20:18!! Not to follow their ways, You are unbelievable. Before the Most High chose Israel to be his people, to keep him in remembrance their were Righteous men, from other nations. Those the CREATOR said to kill had become very sinful, hence sodom and Gomorrah. What are you saying here, an correction Israel did not do what they were told, They mixed with the nations in the end! You are truly a wicked person.
Who are you the Creator? They would commit the crimes that the Creator can FORETELL!! Its Evident that the Creator makes the RULES and he says you are responsible for the Sins of your forefathers to the 3 rd and 4 generation, do you have proof of the Amalekites repenting because the Creator forgives those that repent to the a thousand generations?? Exodus 20:4-6?
If you don't believe it would have been better for you to worship your own GODS!!!
See, you are justifying genocide. The reason for this is because the Bible says that Yahweh commanded it on several occaisons. So, because you believe the Bible no matter what, you are forced to find any way possible to defend the blatantly indefensible.
Is there any kind of action that you would NOT try and defend, or does it purely depend on whether Yahweh has commanded it or not.
And if Yahweh told you to commit genocide, would you do it?
Genocide? Babies dying? The Father decides who enters the Kingdom to come, You are clearly a jealous hamite (African) You are not wise enough to choose who lives! And correction watching people on trains and buses is observing creation. You are a Law on to your self. What you FEEL is unimportant. You should put down the scriptures. Killing at the command of God is Rightoeus.
father my ass....i dont think the creator, who is of pure love, would `command for people to kill others. remember at that time they could have been witnessing a superbeing they thought was god. i dont think the creator would ever come down in physical form the creator is too large.. keep dwelling on the bible and see how far it takes you..
YOU do not know that the original people hav been on this planet for millions of years...there were many fragments in time where we were highly advanced spiritually and tecnhologically...i am pretty sure they made it KINGDOM...these spiritual books are tampered with..so many parts are missing thise are the part that teaches you how to activate your chakr system easily and other things...they took that stuuf out to keep you trapped..wake up!!
Well you don't know that at all its pure speculation??
Yeah right I hope your not an Israelite?? so sad, the only thing tampered with is you hypothesis. What parts are missing? The bit that tells what the Creator wants from us is in tact? what else do you want? You haven't read it obviously.
You are living in dream world? People are committing murder every day and justifying it. All those babies or HUman beings have been killed twice over? I believe its call familiy planning or ABORTION! God has the right to end his creation, because he can bring it back. Man has no right to take lifes unless commanded too. An ABORTION is murder, why not talk about THAT!
Of course the father is against ABORTION, that's murder. Christ came to give EVERY man a chance to repent. Before his second return.
The Father Chose Israel to represent him, they were prone to sin too and were punished ACCORDINGLY, He extended their journey through the wilderness to purge out the sinful Israelites.
This is all about what the Father says and not what we want to FEEL or SAY, Israelite or Gentile alike. All men SIN.
"Of course the father is against ABORTION, that's murder."
"This is all about what the Father says and not what we want to FEEL or SAY"
Okay, well, I've shown several different passages in the Bible where Yahweh clearly commands babies to be hacked to death. This proves conclusively that Yahweh does not think it is wrong to kill babies - hence, you have no business being against abortion because you think it's murder. The Bible says no such thing.
You haven't shown anything, You missed out verse 18 of Deuteronomy 20? All I can say is that you have no business reading the bible.
And again can you question GOD?
Its funny how bold your hav become when you want to be wicked? We both know that your Jealous because you are HAMITIC. So, my question is why try and use the bible to justify your unbelief?
GOD ordered the Killing?? If you don't believe in that God find another you agree with, and show some respect, You are truly Pathetic.
Like I said have some respect, Presenting me with a Hypothetical questions is unproductive, what was done in the past was done then. Today Men are falling short in right doing so I will obey the Father not just in word but deed also.
The Father sent nations against Israel to kill them also, and those nations wont go unpunished, But the Father will work that out HIMSELF, Jeremiah 25:14-26
Let the Father do what he is going to do, I will worry about doing good.
I have respect for you because you are a human being. For the same reason, I have respect for people (including babies and pregnant women) who are killed in genocides and ethnic cleansing operations.
I think that when we try and justify evil, it does something to us. It creates a tension within us. On the one hand, we know deep down that the thing is evil, but on the other hand, we have this fear and this desire to stay within whatever religious doctrine we are part of...
... the day when I finally decided to come out and decide to no longer try and justify genocide, that tension was gone. I no longer had to live with that tension. I no longer had to come up with implausible, irational arguments to try and justify things which I knew were just plain wrong.
My hope is that one day, you will be able to do the same thing.
The Bible itself says that you can question Yahweh. Moses questioned Yahweh's murderous ways and made Yahweh repent for contemplating the slaughter of his own people. So be under no impression that you have to blindly believe that killing masses of innocent people is "righteous". That's disturbed.
Moses didn't question the Father he begged for the Mercy, because he had favour of the Father. Your understanding of that basic incident is disturbing? All repent means is "change" or "turn from" So the Father speared Israel and Changed his mind?? That's not questioning? How can the father kill innocent people? Read the Scriptures properly you have NO IDEA what your talking about? Like I said you can make your own choice!
Moses indeed questions Yahweh. Yahweh made a decision to murder his own people. Moses has to explain to Yahweh, who's judgement is clouded by his emotions, the consequences of his actions. He then instructs Yahweh to calm down and think about what he was doing.
Moses:"Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people." (Ex. 32:12)
Note that that's not a question on Moses' part. He's directly challenging Yahweh's decision. And Yahweh yields to Moses' better judgement.
Don't make me laugh. Funny how you are only using half the story? What was the reason for the most high wanting to kill Israel? emm? They were worshiping an IDOL, seeing as The Father created everything and they blatantly turned from him the EVIL was justified?
I'll think you'll find that Moses persuaded the Father, by saying what would be the point of bringing Israel out of Egypt to kill them? all that proves is that you can make suggestions, If you OBEY. Emotional? your the emotional one?
You're not explaining how that's not Moses questioning Yahweh. You're just explaining WHY Moses questioned Yahweh. What the point of that is supposed to be I don't know, but you're still left with the fact that Yahweh's emotion was pushing him to a bad decision which Moses questioned. And that Yahweh was left to acknowledge that his decision was a bad idea on his part.
It had nothing to do with the Father making a bad decision, and all to do with the Father showing MERCY!!! He only listened to MOSES because he was a RIGHTEOUS MAN
Read it in properly, not the way you want it to BE??
And the LORD said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Do you understand what repent means? It means to regret or feel sorry for an action. Yahweh regretted that he was going to kill his own people. He knew that was a bad decision after Moses calmed him down and explained it to him and repented for thinking it. That's just plain. You're ignoring this and saying Yahweh can't be questioned when the scriptures themselves show him not only being questioned but acknowledging an err in his judgement.
Yahweh recognizes that murdering Israel wasn't the best decision and regrets thinking it. You're ironically saying that Yahweh was wrong in order to argue that Yahweh can never be wrong. Because even Yahweh himself feels bad about his original, anger-driven idea.
to be sorry, i.e. (in a favorable sense) to pity, console <=== When you pity someone you are in a HIGHER position you not saying you've made a bad decision rather you are showing favorr which is within your POWER.
Pity
verb (used with object)
3. to feel pity or compassion for; be sorry for; commiserate with.
Meaning to have MERCY, has no connection to..."a bad idea on his part." <=== As you said.
REPENT? i knew you thought it was an emotional word, It Has nothing to do with the feeling of regret, thats so WEAK, it means change, or turn from or to GRIEVE (feel pain, not regret)? get a dictionary Confession is REGRET! I said in the beginning you can make your choice? so make it? You have ABSOLUTELY no understanding!! Where does it say he Acknowledged an ERR?? He HAD MERCY!! Just as he's having Mercy today on you! until Christ returns. I repeat Repent DOESN'T MEAN REGRET!!!
So now you're going to try to arbitrarily tweak the definition of "repent" for your own purposes. Here's what "repent" ACTUALLY means:
1. to FEEL SORRY, self-reproachful, or contrite for past conduct; REGRET or be conscience-stricken about a past action, attitude, etc. (often fol. by of): He repented after his thoughtless act.
2. to feel such sorrow for sin or FAULT as to be disposed to change one's life for the better; be penitent.
Where did you get that definition of the word repent? You have to get it from the Hebrew not some ordinary dictionary?? Don't need to tweek anything you have no understanding, pure verbal gymnastics!
Hebrew Concordance -
5162 nacham naw-kham' a primitive root; properly, to sigh, i.e. breathe strongly; by implication, to be sorry, i.e. (in a favorable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself):--comfort (self), ease (one's self), repent(-er,-ing, self).
The Father could have made a Nation from Moses as he said, so If he killed Israel it would have been fine, but he didn't, Hence you are speaking to me today and you are one of those STIFFNECKED Israelites, Moses begged the Father to spare. I take it your into Egyptology (Idolatry) And you think your an African, when your an Israelite???
++The Father could have made a Nation from Moses as he said,++
---Yes, but that would have had the added consequence of defeating the whole purpose of attacking Egypt the way he did in the first place. So I ask ask again, which was the best decision between these two different ones:killing Israel, or not killing them? Without getting sidetracked into other topics, which of those two different decsisions was the best one?
But your asking a question that already has an answer? I don't have a time machine?
Since I'm an Israelite, being alive tends to play quite a bit of importance to me (but I could easily be Moses offspring)
But getting me to say it was best to spare Israel serves no purpose, other than to satisfy the tenuous argument about the Father making a bad decision, some sort of credence.
So I have to respectfully pass on your ploy to satisfy your own belief.
++But getting me to say it was best to spare Israel serves no purpose, other than to satisfy the tenuous argument about the Father making a bad decision, some sort of credence.++
---Deliberately avoiding the answer serves the same purpose. It shows that , somewhere underneath all your apologetics, you're mind is aware of the logical conclusion from that answer.
It's good enough. I know I'm speaking to a very religious person. Religion is often irrational so I know you will deny even the undeniable when it comes to the Bible. Remember this whole discussion centers around you trying to justify anything Yahweh does as righteous. Even murdering innocent children as they sleep. This is a reprehensible act by Yahweh. But you're willing to ignore even your basic sense of right and wrong to defend shit like this just because it's in the Bible.
If you're willing to do that, why would I expect you to do anything less when asked a question about Yahweh's decision in Exodus 32? I only asked the question because the conclusion from it is virtually inescapable:the Bible's god erred in judgement. I already know that your religious beliefs won't let you admit this, but your reaction to the question shows you at least recognize it whether you admit it or not. That is the most that's possible with you at this time, so it's good enough.
Can creation question Creator? when he has foreknowledge? All your doing is being philosophical. I said at the beginning if you want to believe make your choice. So all your NONSENSE surmising is is just that NONSENSE!!!... Save your self!! Sinful ISRAELITE. The Father will Judge you FIRST! as long as you know that?
"I only asked the question because the conclusion from it is virtually inescapable: ?"
My Answer is YES it is RIGHT for the sinful to die no one is innocent not even babies.
++Whether you know your an Israelite or not you are. Saying you're not wont save you either.++
---Nor does saying I'm an Israelite actually make me one.
++But are you really questioning him, when final judgement lies with him?++
---Yahweh kills little children and thinks it's OK to walk into a city, butcher it's inhabitants and rape it's women at will. Morally speaking, I think I'll be quite alright at my trial if Yahweh is the standard by which I'll be judged.
We are back at square one? show some repect, you might be right about on thing you're not a Spritual Israelite just a confused negro trying to steal the african mans culture.
Just to clear thing up he's an analogy, If you go for a job interview and you don't get the job... then you ask the prospective employer why you didn't get the job? They are likely to tell you the reason. So yes you asked questions... that doesn't change the fact that you don't get the JOB, Does it???
Same applies here...
I await your response.. have ever weird and wonderful it may be???
If you want to say a person doesn't have the power to fight against Yahweh after he makes his decision, that's fine. But how powerful Yahweh is(according to the Bible) is a very different issue from whether or not a person can question his behavior. If Yahweh behaves in an malicious or even psychotic manner, I don't magically lose my ability to distinguish between right and wrong just because it's Yahweh doing the wrong.
The fact remains that if Moses shared your misbelief that Yahweh was above being questioned and that you should blindly accept anything he does no matter how evil it is, "the Father" would have readily slaughtered all of his own "children" . So stop going against your own Bible. Use the intelligence God gave you to recognize bad behavior when you see it. It could very well save your life should you ever find yourself in the presence of a raging Middle Eastern sky god.
I explained to you that Moses Petitioned Before he done that he had found favor, keeping the commandments
No facts no studies? Your like me when I was 15!
Whos bad behaviour ?? You have spoken purely from your own mind the whole time. Leave the sky Gods alone Your gonna burn First. the Sky wont save you??
in israel to this day they still killing innocent kids the jews were bannished in palistine they can only come back when there messiah comes but they killed jesus and there messiah what is coming is the antichrist jews have ruined christians and they laugh to this day
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youneekk 7 months ago
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AfricansArise 1 year ago
Well Done Brah! I'll Be Veiwing Your Other Videos.
MrHead1972 1 year ago
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MrHead1972 1 year ago
I've asked christians under what circuimstance genocide is right? I've asked directly, I've tricked them into the situation by first saying that god is powerless, and they bring up gods most mightiest feats of power=genocides, and then I ask them, how is that right? No answers. Except for one, that a painter has the right to rip his own painting, but that is jsut a gateway to genocide, which means religions are fucking dangerous, when most peaceful supporters can be made to support genocide.
Kan2209 1 year ago
Since the biblical God has already determined what has already happen, we have no free will, as we are all his plan, and we live in a deterministic universe. The Calvinist are right in that interpretation Free will is an illusion, and we have no choice, so its God's fault the world is in the situation it is today, and it cannot be all good, or even ethical, and evil originates from God.God is essentially sending people to hell, for the actions he made them do. Genocide is the nicer actions.
KevZen2000 1 year ago
Why there is genocide in the bible? its simple would you let a nation who sacrifices its own babies live?
SonofJaphet 2 years ago
@SonofJaphet So the answer to baby slaughter is more infanticide? By your logic the hebrew people should have been wiped out several times over.
humanistheart 1 year ago
I don't understand the surprise. What else would you expect from something written in the dark days by MEN? So far it has clearly been a good tool, throughout history, to yolk all those daft enough to believe it is truly the word of a god. Its about time people just did what they thought was the RIGHT THING for their neighbour and forgot all this mumbo jumbo. This damp-eyed bilge merely promotes divisions between peoples and stops our true quest to discover the secrets of the Universe
ajmossey 2 years ago
amen!!!!!it is amazing how we follow like sheep
sheppaul 2 years ago
"The question is what is the absolute standard of morality. If it's what you feel, then there is no objective standard as we all have different feelings."
But the same applies to Yahweh! The Bible shows that Yahweh is sometimes merciful, other times vengeful, sometimes pleased, sometimes disatisfied. Like us, when exposed to certain stimuli, he changes his disposition. And like us, he changes his mind and regrets things that he previously did/said/commanded...
AfricansArise 2 years ago
... And he also behaves kinda abitrarily on occasion.
Now, we can of course say that we cannot fathom the depths of his thinking and we just have toi accept that there are things about him that might never make any sense to us. But at least with my feelings, I can evaluate them and put them through rigorous test. If they can be shown to be faulty and improper, then I can always change them and change my sens eof morality if necessary...
AfricansArise 2 years ago
.... So I would actually say that my sense of morality is fairly firm ground in comparison to if Yahweh were my standard of morality.
AfricansArise 2 years ago
Objective morality can not be based on anything but religious grounds!
xtrashed 2 years ago
You miss the point. That's where foundation matters. Deity is Creator and that makes him the judge. Plus, since he is creator of everything, including space and time, it puts him outside of the emotional responses you take so literally. A holistic reading of scripture would show that such descriptions of Deity are simply anthropomorphisms. So again, your thinking is illogical on two fronts...
Hesediah 2 years ago
Since you've thrown objective morality aside to test the actions of the Foundation of all reality as if he were trapped with us in matter, no firm ground is possible since there's no absolute right or wrong. Testing can't help: what authority is there to testing? If it's your feeling it's right then your heart's different to everyone else's. Rationality can't help: rationality cannot prove its own authority...
Hesediah 2 years ago
Your firm ground: non-existent because there is no absolute truth without Deity, only perceived & tentative unprovable possibilities, no certainty.
At this point, I draw a line under this discussion. There's no point in the endless tennis of remarks.
Hesediah 2 years ago
1) You still treat the one who is supposed to be creator of us all and then judge him as if he is one of us, which makes no sense fundamentally. 2) Based on the foundation that Deity is creator of us all, that necessarily makes descriptions of his actions anthropomorphisms used to help us understand. In fact, since Deity created everything which, again using anthropomorphism, shows his wisdom and knowledge, it shows the logic of your "rigorous testing" to be severely lacking.
Hesediah 2 years ago
I found the arguments not well thought through. In order to refute a system or a way of action, the foundational structure has to be shown wrong first. That wasn't done here. All that was shown was how human-based actions results in sad events and how the human action was wrong. And then the Deity of the Jewish Bible is then judged as a man: the superficial action is judged without regarding differences in the source of the action and the surrounding context. So the video was disappointing.
Hesediah 2 years ago
Hey H, nice to have your input on this vid. I get what you're saying. But for me, it really is first and foremost about a gut instinct feeling that killing innocent people is wrong and bad.
As you know, I have tried to confront this feeling. I tried to think that Yahweh is perfect and everything he does is good, and that it is imporper to question his actions.
But I was not able to get away from the basic disgustingness of these commands. I have just not been able to get past that...
AfricansArise 2 years ago
... It's the same as if there were commands to, say, commit rape, or to sadistically torture people, etc. I guess I could be accused of judging things holding on to moral standards that I have been inculcated with in this modern western liberal 'democracy' that I live.
This video wasn't intending to refute and discount the entire worldview and morality of the Bible. I was just sharing the thing that prompted me to head in the direction I'm now heading in...
AfricansArise 2 years ago
... Also, I still think there is a lot of awesome stuff in there. Good moral principles and teachings and narratives that people can learn much from.
But, at the same time, and using the same standards of discernment, I think that there ar emany teachings and precepts in the Bible that are not good.
AfricansArise 2 years ago
It has to do with what the standard for morality is. Nobody said it's wrong to question the Almighty's actions. Jews do it! Abraham & Moses did it; it's always acknowledging the difference between the authority of gut feelings & that of authority of the Creator. To start on a journey that says he's not creator because he does or commands things we find difficult to swallow isn't logical...
Hesediah 2 years ago
The question is what is the absolute standard of morality. If it's what you feel, then there is no objective standard as we all have different feelings. In fact, if it isn't the Creator, there is no objective standard. Everyone's entitled to their own choice. Even the Torah says that there is free choice. So I understand your ability to go the way you've chosen. But if this was the start of your journey, it doesn't seem to be a very concrete or justified beginning.
Hesediah 2 years ago
So that makes your end conclusion questionable. Of course I disagree with both this beginning and the end conclusions; the beginning for the reasons stated; and the end conclusion for others.
Hesediah 2 years ago
Only 5 yrs of christianity? talk about being raised in it. I was raised "southern" Pentacostal & attended Catholic school K thru 8 grade. As a girl religion never made sense 2 me. I couldn't unds how God of the Bible was so jealous & went around smiting ppl...fast forwrd now that I'm grown 4 the past 3 yrs I've been returning 2 my ancestor's ways (AKAN/Ghana) spirituality
MEDASE
Yaa
vmwye 2 years ago
Good for you my sister. It's shame that we have been so comprehensively brainswashed that most of our people think that our ancient ancestral ways are the very epitome of wickedness and evil.
Peace
AfricansArise 2 years ago
i no longer believe in the bible either. it started with the history of its writing and then more recently i have been studying egyptology and hieroglyphics. this seems to be the the original of everything. and even then, its translations are not accurate either. it appears as if the sun of god turned into the son of god. good video, keep em coming
NuAfrikanQueen 2 years ago
Will do. I'm trying to get one uploaded real soon. It's going to be on the lack of historical evidence for some of the key events in the Bible.
AfricansArise 2 years ago
You should learn to read the bible in hebrew before making a final judgement. Translation is lost when transferred from one language to another.
realblackmen2 2 years ago
The Hebrew bible is for the Hebrew people. If you are not Hebrew, there's no need to read it. After all it was revealed to them as the so called chosen people. There are many nations on earth with their own stories.
PositiveNature 2 years ago
@positivenature
Who are the Hebrews then? I've watched many yt channels and they all seem to be extreme. Additionally, what is this hatred for Africa (Hamites)?
realblackmen2 2 years ago
I dont know who the Hebrews are, and I'm not sure I care either. Too much problem has been caused and supported by this book. it's time to let it go.
PositiveNature 2 years ago
ok so since you don't believe in God anymore does this mean you have turned an atheist???
DevineDestiny123 2 years ago
I haven't said that I don't believe in God. I just no longer believer that the Bible is from front to back, a revelation from the Creator. I stil lthink there may well be a Creator but this Creator is not the being that is called Yahweh and who is described in the Bible.
AfricansArise 2 years ago
I'm with you on that brother, I definately believe in God, but definately no longer believe in the bible, christianity or any organized religion.
Villagetalk4u 2 years ago
Its a complex because The Bible actually states to be conformed to the world you become an enemy of God and at the same time Psalm 145 says "The Lord is good to all".
It sought of becomes an issue of exclusivety, Yeshua even called Gentiles "dogs" and in fact people who do not worship YHVH are considered to be dead already "let the dead bury their own dead".
I can't justify genocide but God doesn't have to justify Himself to me
infamos 2 years ago
I remember talking to a Christian once who said he really didn't like reading the book of Joshua...the killing is just too much.
There doesn't seem to be any way of reconciling a god of love with a god who commands geneocide and the slaughtering of children.
Many believers, however, just choose to ignore these passages.
breger91 2 years ago
Right. Try telling an elderly man or little toddler that is God is love just at the same time you are about to chop their head off because God told you to.
AfricansArise 2 years ago
like an abusive husband telling his wife that he loves her and is really a good guy.
like imperialist white people claiming that they are bringing forth civilization and development for our own good. Yahweh behave like a tribal god, that is all.
GAkemetKiNg 2 years ago
I never thought of these Bible stories from that perspective....of the victims....Food For Thought.
JERNIGANSIX 2 years ago
love the I Roy!!
rdawta 2 years ago
Yep. Whap'n bap'n!
AfricansArise 2 years ago
The bible is spiritual enslavement!
Read it twice! And i still have the same view! Lets go back to the source of all things! MAMA AFRICA!
HOTEP!
Kemetmaan 2 years ago
I agree my friend.
chosen1601 2 years ago
true!
HiddenBlackHistory 2 years ago
It was my understanding that when God gave the order, that it was understood as , give the nations a chance to repent, other wise kill them. or also, that that such things as homosexuality, bestiality were common, and that even children were defiled with those activities. Perhaps up until the conquest, God had given them a chance to repent. (mechelzidek?) and since when conquest came they hadnt repented, they received the same punishment a Israelite would get according to torah
medievalman86 2 years ago
The case of the Amekites is important. There is no mention at all of any general sinfulness among that people. All we know is that they attacked the Israelites. There and then, Yahweh says He hates them forever.
Then, over four hundred years later, Yahweh decides to send in the troops to wipe out every last Amelekite...
AfricansArise 2 years ago
... And once again, these are human beings we are talking about. They had families and friends, hopes and aspirations.
They were men and women, many of whome would have been pregnant. Elderly, the sick, the depressed, the homeless, etc. Tis is what we need to remember, these are human beings! Imagine, young parents celerbating their first child and were enjoying the entry of this new life into their world. Imagine thebabies who had just learned how to walk, how to babble their first words...
AfricansArise 2 years ago
I tell you something that I found useful to do.
Next time you are just walking down the street, or on a train or something. Look around you. Look at the people doing their daily business. Listen to the children playing and talking to their mothers. That is life. That's human life. It's a beautiful thing.
And then bear this in mind next time you consider the idea that Yahweh commanded the Isralites to carry our repeated campagins of mass-killing against entire villages, towns & tribes.
AfricansArise 2 years ago
That was extremely slanted, did you forget some verse, like Deuteronomy 20:18!! Not to follow their ways, You are unbelievable. Before the Most High chose Israel to be his people, to keep him in remembrance their were Righteous men, from other nations. Those the CREATOR said to kill had become very sinful, hence sodom and Gomorrah. What are you saying here, an correction Israel did not do what they were told, They mixed with the nations in the end! You are truly a wicked person.
neotech888 2 years ago
"Those the CREATOR said to kill had become very sinful."
What crimes do you think the Canaanite children and babies could have commited to deserve to be hacked to death?
And how were those Amalekites responsible for things that their forefathers allegedly did 400 years before they were even born?
AfricansArise 2 years ago
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RasYisayGad 2 years ago
Who are you the Creator? They would commit the crimes that the Creator can FORETELL!! Its Evident that the Creator makes the RULES and he says you are responsible for the Sins of your forefathers to the 3 rd and 4 generation, do you have proof of the Amalekites repenting because the Creator forgives those that repent to the a thousand generations?? Exodus 20:4-6?
If you don't believe it would have been better for you to worship your own GODS!!!
neotech888 2 years ago
See, you are justifying genocide. The reason for this is because the Bible says that Yahweh commanded it on several occaisons. So, because you believe the Bible no matter what, you are forced to find any way possible to defend the blatantly indefensible.
Is there any kind of action that you would NOT try and defend, or does it purely depend on whether Yahweh has commanded it or not.
And if Yahweh told you to commit genocide, would you do it?
AfricansArise 2 years ago
Genocide? Babies dying? The Father decides who enters the Kingdom to come, You are clearly a jealous hamite (African) You are not wise enough to choose who lives! And correction watching people on trains and buses is observing creation. You are a Law on to your self. What you FEEL is unimportant. You should put down the scriptures. Killing at the command of God is Rightoeus.
neotech888 2 years ago
father my ass....i dont think the creator, who is of pure love, would `command for people to kill others. remember at that time they could have been witnessing a superbeing they thought was god. i dont think the creator would ever come down in physical form the creator is too large.. keep dwelling on the bible and see how far it takes you..
brooklynboi89 2 years ago
father my ass. <=== Well its your ass? The Bible will take me to the Kingdom to come, You can keep speculating.
What you think don't matter?
neotech888 2 years ago
i wonder what kingdom....lol well i guess
YOU do not know that the original people hav been on this planet for millions of years...there were many fragments in time where we were highly advanced spiritually and tecnhologically...i am pretty sure they made it KINGDOM...these spiritual books are tampered with..so many parts are missing thise are the part that teaches you how to activate your chakr system easily and other things...they took that stuuf out to keep you trapped..wake up!!
brooklynboi89 2 years ago
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neotech888 2 years ago
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Well you don't know that at all its pure speculation??
Yeah right I hope your not an Israelite?? so sad, the only thing tampered with is you hypothesis. What parts are missing? The bit that tells what the Creator wants from us is in tact? what else do you want? You haven't read it obviously.
neotech888 2 years ago
You are living in dream world? People are committing murder every day and justifying it. All those babies or HUman beings have been killed twice over? I believe its call familiy planning or ABORTION! God has the right to end his creation, because he can bring it back. Man has no right to take lifes unless commanded too. An ABORTION is murder, why not talk about THAT!
neotech888 2 years ago
Remember, Yahweh allegedly commanded his people to hack babies and pregant women to death.
With this in mind, what makes you think Yahweh is against abortion?
AfricansArise 2 years ago
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neotech888 2 years ago
Exodus 20:13
13Thou shalt not kill. <== this word is Murder!
Of course the father is against ABORTION, that's murder. Christ came to give EVERY man a chance to repent. Before his second return.
The Father Chose Israel to represent him, they were prone to sin too and were punished ACCORDINGLY, He extended their journey through the wilderness to purge out the sinful Israelites.
This is all about what the Father says and not what we want to FEEL or SAY, Israelite or Gentile alike. All men SIN.
neotech888 2 years ago
"Of course the father is against ABORTION, that's murder."
"This is all about what the Father says and not what we want to FEEL or SAY"
Okay, well, I've shown several different passages in the Bible where Yahweh clearly commands babies to be hacked to death. This proves conclusively that Yahweh does not think it is wrong to kill babies - hence, you have no business being against abortion because you think it's murder. The Bible says no such thing.
AfricansArise 2 years ago
You haven't shown anything, You missed out verse 18 of Deuteronomy 20? All I can say is that you have no business reading the bible.
And again can you question GOD?
Its funny how bold your hav become when you want to be wicked? We both know that your Jealous because you are HAMITIC. So, my question is why try and use the bible to justify your unbelief?
GOD ordered the Killing?? If you don't believe in that God find another you agree with, and show some respect, You are truly Pathetic.
neotech888 2 years ago
Let me ask you a question. Would you commit genocide if Yahweh told you to?
AfricansArise 2 years ago
Like I said have some respect, Presenting me with a Hypothetical questions is unproductive, what was done in the past was done then. Today Men are falling short in right doing so I will obey the Father not just in word but deed also.
The Father sent nations against Israel to kill them also, and those nations wont go unpunished, But the Father will work that out HIMSELF, Jeremiah 25:14-26
Let the Father do what he is going to do, I will worry about doing good.
neotech888 2 years ago
I have respect for you because you are a human being. For the same reason, I have respect for people (including babies and pregnant women) who are killed in genocides and ethnic cleansing operations.
I think that when we try and justify evil, it does something to us. It creates a tension within us. On the one hand, we know deep down that the thing is evil, but on the other hand, we have this fear and this desire to stay within whatever religious doctrine we are part of...
AfricansArise 2 years ago
... the day when I finally decided to come out and decide to no longer try and justify genocide, that tension was gone. I no longer had to live with that tension. I no longer had to come up with implausible, irational arguments to try and justify things which I knew were just plain wrong.
My hope is that one day, you will be able to do the same thing.
AfricansArise 2 years ago
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neotech888 2 years ago
You need to read your Scriptures properly you haven't discovered anything. The Father himself says he created good and evil
Jeremiah 18:8
8If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
Read your scriptures properly, sin causes the Father to be evil, he doesn't kill unjustly? Who are you to question him?
If you want to govern your self do that, but the Scriptures are TRUE, it's you that has the problem.
neotech888 2 years ago
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Iannes33 2 years ago
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++Exodus 20:13Thou shalt not kill. <== this word is Murder!
Of course the father is against ABORTION, that's murder.++
---This would be the same "father" who, in the very same book, murdered all the firstborn children of Egypt in their sleep.
Iannes33 2 years ago
"---This would be the same "father" who, in the very same book, murdered all the firstborn children of Egypt in their sleep."
If you believe you can question the Father that's your choice. The Father expects a Standard from his creation.
neotech888 2 years ago
The Bible itself says that you can question Yahweh. Moses questioned Yahweh's murderous ways and made Yahweh repent for contemplating the slaughter of his own people. So be under no impression that you have to blindly believe that killing masses of innocent people is "righteous". That's disturbed.
Iannes33 2 years ago
Moses didn't question the Father he begged for the Mercy, because he had favour of the Father. Your understanding of that basic incident is disturbing? All repent means is "change" or "turn from" So the Father speared Israel and Changed his mind?? That's not questioning? How can the father kill innocent people? Read the Scriptures properly you have NO IDEA what your talking about? Like I said you can make your own choice!
neotech888 2 years ago
Moses indeed questions Yahweh. Yahweh made a decision to murder his own people. Moses has to explain to Yahweh, who's judgement is clouded by his emotions, the consequences of his actions. He then instructs Yahweh to calm down and think about what he was doing.
Moses:"Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people." (Ex. 32:12)
Note that that's not a question on Moses' part. He's directly challenging Yahweh's decision. And Yahweh yields to Moses' better judgement.
Iannes33 2 years ago
Don't make me laugh. Funny how you are only using half the story? What was the reason for the most high wanting to kill Israel? emm? They were worshiping an IDOL, seeing as The Father created everything and they blatantly turned from him the EVIL was justified?
I'll think you'll find that Moses persuaded the Father, by saying what would be the point of bringing Israel out of Egypt to kill them? all that proves is that you can make suggestions, If you OBEY. Emotional? your the emotional one?
neotech888 2 years ago
You're not explaining how that's not Moses questioning Yahweh. You're just explaining WHY Moses questioned Yahweh. What the point of that is supposed to be I don't know, but you're still left with the fact that Yahweh's emotion was pushing him to a bad decision which Moses questioned. And that Yahweh was left to acknowledge that his decision was a bad idea on his part.
Iannes33 2 years ago
It had nothing to do with the Father making a bad decision, and all to do with the Father showing MERCY!!! He only listened to MOSES because he was a RIGHTEOUS MAN
Read it in properly, not the way you want it to BE??
Exodus 33:19
And the LORD said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
neotech888 2 years ago
Do you understand what repent means? It means to regret or feel sorry for an action. Yahweh regretted that he was going to kill his own people. He knew that was a bad decision after Moses calmed him down and explained it to him and repented for thinking it. That's just plain. You're ignoring this and saying Yahweh can't be questioned when the scriptures themselves show him not only being questioned but acknowledging an err in his judgement.
Iannes33 2 years ago
Yahweh recognizes that murdering Israel wasn't the best decision and regrets thinking it. You're ironically saying that Yahweh was wrong in order to argue that Yahweh can never be wrong. Because even Yahweh himself feels bad about his original, anger-driven idea.
Iannes33 2 years ago
In the context of Ex.32:12, REPENT meant change, as in changed his mind!
Genesis 6:6 REPENT meant Grieved, that he made MAN!
grieve
1. to feel grief or great sorrow: She has grieved over his death for nearly three years.
verb (used with object)
2. to distress mentally; cause to feel grief or sorrow: It grieves me to see you so unhappy.
3. Archaic. to oppress or wrong.
I REPEAT again The Father only listened to MOSES because he was RIGHTEOUS!! Meaning he kept the fathers COMMANDS.
neotech888 2 years ago
5162 nacham naw-kham' a primitive root;
to be sorry, i.e. (in a favorable sense) to pity, console <=== When you pity someone you are in a HIGHER position you not saying you've made a bad decision rather you are showing favorr which is within your POWER.
Pity
verb (used with object)
3. to feel pity or compassion for; be sorry for; commiserate with.
Meaning to have MERCY, has no connection to..."a bad idea on his part." <=== As you said.
neotech888 2 years ago
You're definitions say the same thing as mine. To feel sorry for. I ask again. Which was the correct decision:
-killing Israel
OR
-not killing them?
Iannes33 2 years ago
REPENT? i knew you thought it was an emotional word, It Has nothing to do with the feeling of regret, thats so WEAK, it means change, or turn from or to GRIEVE (feel pain, not regret)? get a dictionary Confession is REGRET! I said in the beginning you can make your choice? so make it? You have ABSOLUTELY no understanding!! Where does it say he Acknowledged an ERR?? He HAD MERCY!! Just as he's having Mercy today on you! until Christ returns. I repeat Repent DOESN'T MEAN REGRET!!!
neotech888 2 years ago
So now you're going to try to arbitrarily tweak the definition of "repent" for your own purposes. Here's what "repent" ACTUALLY means:
1. to FEEL SORRY, self-reproachful, or contrite for past conduct; REGRET or be conscience-stricken about a past action, attitude, etc. (often fol. by of): He repented after his thoughtless act.
2. to feel such sorrow for sin or FAULT as to be disposed to change one's life for the better; be penitent.
Iannes33 2 years ago
But let me make it simple. Yahweh could have killed Israel or let Israel live. Which one of those was the absolute best decision?
Iannes33 2 years ago
Where did you get that definition of the word repent? You have to get it from the Hebrew not some ordinary dictionary?? Don't need to tweek anything you have no understanding, pure verbal gymnastics!
Hebrew Concordance -
5162 nacham naw-kham' a primitive root; properly, to sigh, i.e. breathe strongly; by implication, to be sorry, i.e. (in a favorable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself):--comfort (self), ease (one's self), repent(-er,-ing, self).
neotech888 2 years ago
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But let me make it simple. Yahweh could have killed Israel or let Israel live. Which one of those was the absolute best decision?
Iannes33 2 years ago
Exodus 32:9-10
9And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
10Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
......To be continued......
neotech888 2 years ago
The Father could have made a Nation from Moses as he said, so If he killed Israel it would have been fine, but he didn't, Hence you are speaking to me today and you are one of those STIFFNECKED Israelites, Moses begged the Father to spare. I take it your into Egyptology (Idolatry) And you think your an African, when your an Israelite???
neotech888 2 years ago
++The Father could have made a Nation from Moses as he said,++
---Yes, but that would have had the added consequence of defeating the whole purpose of attacking Egypt the way he did in the first place. So I ask ask again, which was the best decision between these two different ones:killing Israel, or not killing them? Without getting sidetracked into other topics, which of those two different decsisions was the best one?
Iannes33 2 years ago
But your asking a question that already has an answer? I don't have a time machine?
Since I'm an Israelite, being alive tends to play quite a bit of importance to me (but I could easily be Moses offspring)
But getting me to say it was best to spare Israel serves no purpose, other than to satisfy the tenuous argument about the Father making a bad decision, some sort of credence.
So I have to respectfully pass on your ploy to satisfy your own belief.
neotech888 2 years ago
++But getting me to say it was best to spare Israel serves no purpose, other than to satisfy the tenuous argument about the Father making a bad decision, some sort of credence.++
---Deliberately avoiding the answer serves the same purpose. It shows that , somewhere underneath all your apologetics, you're mind is aware of the logical conclusion from that answer.
Good enough I suppose.
Iannes33 2 years ago
Good enough I suppose. ??
This childish response proves my point. It's not good enough for me. It's sad, you're the reason that Negroes are dying everyday!!!!
neotech888 2 years ago
It's good enough. I know I'm speaking to a very religious person. Religion is often irrational so I know you will deny even the undeniable when it comes to the Bible. Remember this whole discussion centers around you trying to justify anything Yahweh does as righteous. Even murdering innocent children as they sleep. This is a reprehensible act by Yahweh. But you're willing to ignore even your basic sense of right and wrong to defend shit like this just because it's in the Bible.
Iannes33 2 years ago
If you're willing to do that, why would I expect you to do anything less when asked a question about Yahweh's decision in Exodus 32? I only asked the question because the conclusion from it is virtually inescapable:the Bible's god erred in judgement. I already know that your religious beliefs won't let you admit this, but your reaction to the question shows you at least recognize it whether you admit it or not. That is the most that's possible with you at this time, so it's good enough.
Iannes33 2 years ago
Can creation question Creator? when he has foreknowledge? All your doing is being philosophical. I said at the beginning if you want to believe make your choice. So all your NONSENSE surmising is is just that NONSENSE!!!... Save your self!! Sinful ISRAELITE. The Father will Judge you FIRST! as long as you know that?
"I only asked the question because the conclusion from it is virtually inescapable: ?"
My Answer is YES it is RIGHT for the sinful to die no one is innocent not even babies.
neotech888 2 years ago
++Can creation question Creator?++
---If the Creator bestowed his creation with intelligence, of course it can.
++Save your self!! Sinful ISRAELITE.++
---I'm not an Israelite. I've never been to Israel nor have any genetic connection to it and I doubt you have either.
++The Father will Judge you FIRST! as long as you know that?++
---I'm not worried about being judged by a god who thinks and acts just like an ordinary man. If he condemns me I'm sure I can change his mind.
Iannes33 2 years ago
You have an answer for everything?
Israel...?? The meaning of the word is to struggle with God, or have power with God. El, meaning God or Powers.
Whether you know your an Israelite or not you are. Saying you're not wont save you either.
Yes you can question him... you are living proof of that. But are you really questioning him, when final judgement lies with him?
I hope your snap out of your slumber, read some proper history, it will clear things up.
Change his mind? How Lame
neotech888 2 years ago
++Whether you know your an Israelite or not you are. Saying you're not wont save you either.++
---Nor does saying I'm an Israelite actually make me one.
++But are you really questioning him, when final judgement lies with him?++
---Yahweh kills little children and thinks it's OK to walk into a city, butcher it's inhabitants and rape it's women at will. Morally speaking, I think I'll be quite alright at my trial if Yahweh is the standard by which I'll be judged.
Iannes33 2 years ago
We are back at square one? show some repect, you might be right about on thing you're not a Spritual Israelite just a confused negro trying to steal the african mans culture.
neotech888 2 years ago
++Can creation question Creator?++
Just to clear thing up he's an analogy, If you go for a job interview and you don't get the job... then you ask the prospective employer why you didn't get the job? They are likely to tell you the reason. So yes you asked questions... that doesn't change the fact that you don't get the JOB, Does it???
Same applies here...
I await your response.. have ever weird and wonderful it may be???
neotech888 2 years ago
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Iannes33 2 years ago
If you want to say a person doesn't have the power to fight against Yahweh after he makes his decision, that's fine. But how powerful Yahweh is(according to the Bible) is a very different issue from whether or not a person can question his behavior. If Yahweh behaves in an malicious or even psychotic manner, I don't magically lose my ability to distinguish between right and wrong just because it's Yahweh doing the wrong.
Iannes33 2 years ago
I can tell you the truth and I just did, The Father rules, with or without your consent. Do some research and quit the "verbal gymnastics"
Israelite!
neotech888 2 years ago
The fact remains that if Moses shared your misbelief that Yahweh was above being questioned and that you should blindly accept anything he does no matter how evil it is, "the Father" would have readily slaughtered all of his own "children" . So stop going against your own Bible. Use the intelligence God gave you to recognize bad behavior when you see it. It could very well save your life should you ever find yourself in the presence of a raging Middle Eastern sky god.
Peace.
Iannes33 2 years ago
I explained to you that Moses Petitioned Before he done that he had found favor, keeping the commandments
No facts no studies? Your like me when I was 15!
Whos bad behaviour ?? You have spoken purely from your own mind the whole time. Leave the sky Gods alone Your gonna burn First. the Sky wont save you??
2 John 1:10
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
Peace, you must be joking???
neotech888 2 years ago
1 Samuel 15:29 (King James Version) 29And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.
As you can see above the Father DOES NOT CHANGE HIS MIND or REPENT, Moses PETITION was one of those rear occasions!
Numbers 12:3
(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)
Moses WAS VERY Humble ???
neotech888 2 years ago
Psalm 127:3
Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
neotech888 2 years ago