Rod Serling & Desi Arnaz fought the networks and sponsors to get this episode on. The TVLAND copy was edited and after the story finished Desi came out and offered an explanation on what happened (the network/sponsor insisted on it) and asked the audience if they had an explantion when this originally aired. I'm glad TVLAND didn't use it.
Has anyone else noticed that the special effects are really fantastic in this episode? Those planes flying toward him through the window are flawless.
Bendix was a much better actor than I ever gave him credit for. He's very good here in this excellent pilot. All the elements that made Twilight Zone a classic are here: Intriguing story, great actors and wonderful music.
Since he died in 1941, he never actually lived until 1958. This makes it so that he never went to the psychiatrist in the first place, and also makes it so that hes never had those dreams in the first place either. On top of that, since he's never lived past 1941, he wouldn't have known about what would have happened after 1941. Thus he wouldn't have the knowledge about pearl harbour to begin with, neither would he have went back time in the first place. This paradoxical loop restarts.
Since he died in 1941, he never actually lived until 1958. This makes it so that he never went to the psychiatrist in the first place, and also makes it so that hes never had those dreams in the first place either. On top of that, since he's never lived past 1941, he wouldn't have known about what would have happened after 1941. Thus he wouldn't have the knowledge about pearl harbour to begin with, neither would he have went back time in the first place. This paradoxical loop restarts.
Since he died in 1941, he never actually lived until 1958. This makes it so that he never went to the psychiatrist in the first place, and also makes it so that hes never had those dreams in the first place either. On top of that, since he's never lived past 1941, he wouldn't have known about what would have happened after 1941. Thus he wouldn't have the knowledge about pearl harbour to begin with, neither would he have went back time in the first place. This paradoxical loop restarts.
Since he died in 1941, he never actually lived until 1958. This makes it so that he never went to the psychiatrist in the first place, and also makes it so that hes never had those dreams in the first place either. On top of that, since he's never lived past 1941, he wouldn't have known about what would have happened after 1941. Thus he wouldn't have the knowledge about pearl harbour to begin with, neither would he have went back time in the first place. This paradoxical loop restarts.
Since he died in 1941, he never actually lived until 1958. This makes it so that he never went to the psychiatrist in the first place, and also makes it so that hes never had those dreams in the first place either. On top of that, since he's never lived past 1941, he wouldn't have known about what would have happened after 1941. Thus he wouldn't have the knowledge about pearl harbour to begin with, neither would he have went back time in the first place. This paradoxical loop restarts.
If Mr. Jenson was traveling back in time with in his own lifetime, then this makes sense. But, if he traveled from the point of 1958 to 1941 (i.e. as the same age as in 1958) then it wouldn't change a whole lot in his life....except the bets he would have won.....he would have lived until 1958.
maybe were all from the future and the past, and reality is just everything cycling at once. It doesn't have to necesarily just be a time "machine" either, maybe the one who breaks time, is a wise old monk whom is the only one who can transport ppl back or forwards in time. So my friend, as u can see theres so many different possibilities as i said in the first post. No hard feelings, ur very smart, but a little too confined mentally, a little human. U can think in ANY way
another scenario, say its the year 1 million; 1,000,000,000,000,00,00n 15 A.D. There have been thousands of apocolypses and billions of generations away from 2011. They wouldn't even want to consider coming back here, theres no reason, unless they want to go back to the beginning of time. And maybe they did, maybe hitler was a farmer, but the future men, came here and made him into what we know now as a killer. So maybe they have been here already and changed history. We would never know.
If time travel was possible, why haven't we seen people from the future?
I mean our future is pretty much infinite, you'd think in the infinite time ahead..maybe in 200,000-5,000,000,000,000,000 years someone will create time travel and come to this time. We haven't seen anyone, thus it can't be possible.
I'm not trying to sound smart or ignorant, since I'm just stating the obvious.
@WonderNoobie yeah but what if in 2034 the world ends and only 2 people remain to populate the earth. Then eventually, thousands of years later they invent a time machine, but dont want to go back anymore than to 2034 or they would cease to exist, they wouldn't want the risk of their existence ending in an instant. So there could be an infinite amount of different possibilities, you can't just write it off as "not possible" just because reality doesn't fit into your "one idea".
Not possible was the wrong words. But what do you mean they will 'cease' to exist. How will they 'cease' to exist by going back before 2034? I don't understand and I don't even know where to start with that. But I get the whole idea. Plus my "idea" isn't exactly an idea at all. We haven't seen anyone from the future. That's fact. And let's just say your statement is true. Someone within the infinite future someone is going to go back in time before 2034. Why wouldn't they?
@WonderNoobie maybe theres a restriction, a law, to not go back past 2034, by the way this is all hypothetical stuff were talking about here. your "facts" are facts in 2011, not in 6789, so dont start with that. And the cease to exist was just added to make drama and effect, it dont really mean nothing, dont pick apart every word i use, especially in a hyptothetical situation. Possible means, it either can or cant; "not possible" means, cant. 500 yrs ago it was possible to create a blackhole..
I didn't pick apart what you said. I just didn't understand. I just didn't understand why wouldn't they be able to go past 2034? Now I see what you mean by your first sentence. This fight (for lack of a better word at the moment) is pointless. As I see you can create new laws. Possible means you can (Not can or can't). Your new law or ideas are way out of context. In the infinite future if time travel was possible, someone is going to come back to 2011 or earlier. And no one hasn't.
@WonderNoobie so ur saying that u never had anything u thought was possible, turn out to be impossible? Its can or cant dawg. If making it to the movies by 9:30 am is a "possibility" and i end up there around 9:45 am, it turns out it was not possible after all, right.
Something that was possible, can't turn out to be impossible if it was possible in the first place. Going to the movies by 9:30 is a possibility. But if I get there at 9:45 I should have just drove faster or woke up earlier. That doesn't mean it was turned out to be impossible.
@WonderNoobie so were u late? it started with possible than became not possible, regardless of the circumstances, thats bull, u could say, i coulda asked god to transport me there in a flash, but i was left with reality with no car and the means to get there was not possible eafter all
What? So your saying that I was supposed to go to a place at 9:30 but there is no way I can get there by that time? Then it was never possible in the first place. It was ALWAYS impossible. Something cannot be possible then be impossible. That makes no sense. If there is a way for me to get there in time, then it is possible and was never impossible. If there isn't any way for me to get there in time, it's impossible and was never possible in the first place.
@WonderNoobie and i dont know about you but if i was from the future, i wouldnt be telling the news and start shitting diamonds to show off my advanced capabilties, i would just lay back and do what i came to 2011 to do, get it done, then leave. your "fact", is not a fact if you dont know for sure, there could be a future reptile man walking around, and u would never know, heck, I could be from the future and screwing with u for pleasantries, but u would never know. Get yo facts straight buddy
How are my facts not straight? If there was a "reptile man walking around", I would know. Why? Because there is a reptile man walking around. I don't see what you did there. Yeah, if time travel was created it would definitely be a secret. But it will be found out, sometime in the billions of years ahead. Because if it is possible, then other people will create it. Not just the people keeping it secret.
@WonderNoobie dude, think outside the box man, ur thinking at a human level rite now, thats why ur so frustrated, but all this means nothing to me because I think outside the bounds of ego, and its all good, whether im right or wrong. Okay say there was a normal man, not a reptile man. Now go back to the top and replace reptile with normal, u square
Wow, thanks for the fascinating info! I'm a huge Twilight Zone fan of the Rod Serling era. Always thought that "Where Is Everybody" was the first episode. Thanks for the info.
Also glad to know they're releasing the Twilight Zone on Blu Ray as of 2010. Cool.
I don't think the Dr dreamed but he had a faint recollection of the patient and his dreams.
There is a SF story called "Lathe of Heaven" in which a shrink realizes his patient's dreams come true. So he tries to influence the patient's deams with his wishes.
The dr wanted it to be less crowded: the patient dreamed a plague.
He wished for the end of racism: everyone turned grey.
He wanted world peace: the planet was invaded and nations banded together.
if that was me i would be conserned with getting the fuck out off honolulu if that married cuple puched me i give up have a nice time beging hallway to hell asshole
Rod Serling wrote a teleplay intending it to be the pilot episode (first episode) for Twilight Zone but ended up airing on a diffrent show Westinghouse Desilu Playhouse. So some people call this the pilot episode. Hope this cleared everything up. :)
Rod Serling wrote a teleplay intending it to be the pilot episode (first episode) for Twilight Zone but ended up airing on a diffrent show Westinghouse Desilu Playhouse. So some people call this the pilot episode. Hope this cleared everything up. :)
Rod Serling wrote a teleplay intending it to be the pilot episode (first episode) for Twilight Zone but ended up airing on a diffrent show Westinghouse Desilu Playhouse. So some people call this the pilot episode. Hope this cleared everything up. :)
This is first class TV entertainment. I enjoy watching the original Twilight Zone series. Richard Matheson, John Clay Johnson and Rod Serling were one of the best writers .... even Stephen King pays tribute to Serling's shows as well. Let's face it fans, these shows were cool because, just like the end of this episode .... it made you think.
Another one of Serling's shows, if you are a Radio lover was a show called, "The Zero Hour." Check it out. Thanks for posting.
It looks to me that this was rod sterlings way of explaining the fact that the u.s government knew pearl harbor was going to be attacked before hand along with the alleged time travel experiments during wwII, one of which was called the manhattan project. The guy from 58' was in new york city b4 ending up in honolulu. Connection?. I just wonder how was it possible for him to explain his experience to the psychiatrist but yet he died when he traveled back to 41'?
@ObjectiveApproach Everybody talked about the what-ifs of Pearl Harbor, and if the government was warned about it. But in the sixties, we heard about the warning transmission sent by the Navy that failed because of the ionosphere, it was all very ironic. People even talked about going back in time to warn the Navy. It wasn't a set up, just a chain of errors.
Well I know people talk about code breaking and interceptions but when I look at the events prior to the attack along with the actions of FDR, I don't think its a simple case of a string of coincidental errors or irony...The U.S government had a whole lot of issues to deal with in the 60's so an admission of knowing about something 20 or so yrs ago wouldn't have helped them. As far the supposed time travel experiments during the war they go far beyond preventing pearl harbor.
@ObjectiveApproach It was only talk in the 1960's to possibly go back and warn everyone, it was no mare than a fantasy, but upon what are you basing the wartime time travel experiments you mention? Sorry, but I never heard any of it, nor read about it. The issue with the attempted warning broadcasts came from interviews with people who had come forward with their experiences, not from the government. A long work was written by an historian about the Pearl Harbor attack, At Dawn We Slept.
The time travel experiments I've read about have more to do with nazi germany and the U.S sharing technology the experiment here was actually called the "Philadelphia experiment" (not manhattan which involved developing atomic bombs). The works by Peter moon and Preston B. Nichols talk about this in conjunction with another project supposedly done in Montauk upstate New York and the governments ties with the nazi party on down to the bush family.
One of those books is called "montauk revisited, adventures in synchronicity." I don't doubt pertinent messages and warnings didn't get through to the necessary chains of command for whatever reason but again looking at the previous events that led up to the bombing in the first place leads me to think it's definitely possible FDR was aware and even expecting it. Check out what FDR was doing b4 the event.
5:05 lol ok, the scariest thing about this was hearing "you're watching Nick at Nite" in that 50s voice.. knowing Nick at Nite didn't exist til the 90s
@sirmolio - The uploader probably recorded this on VHS in the 90's and put a digital copy on YouTube. It was simply a rerun to introduce the concept of "TV Land"...
A real pschiatrist knows that "cut and dried" has nothing to do with the workings of the human mind, and that the drugs and the books are only symbols of the obvious and physical in life--temporary and fleeting. The mind neither knows anything or cares about the passage of time. ;]
Maybe somebody should go back in time to warn the people behind that new station "TV LAND" and warn them about the sad slide down that their television station will take in 2008,2009,2010 with stupid shows like 'High School Reunion" and of how many fans they will lose. If we did that then maybe today we'd still have all our old favorites on TV LAND today, lol.
If i was born in 1982, and lets say in 1989at the age of 7, I went back in time somehow to the year 1972. The me in 1989 at 7 years old stops when I leave and I pick back up at 7 years old in 1972. As I grow older and approach 1989, at age 24, If i'm still in the same town, in 1989, I can actually go and watch myself at age 7 go back in time and dissapear. But the me at 24 in 1989 continues on. But if in 1989 I try to prevent myself from going back, It might cause some deadly shit to happen.
Lolz, that's why the thought of Time Travel is somewhat ilogical. If you somehow prevent yourself from going back, you'd be forever caught in some cirlce.
Thank you so much for showing this on youtube!! I am a really big Twilight Zone fan, and it`s very satisfying to see the episode that started it all!!
cool this must have been a special when tv land was first becoming a channel lol i remember watching nick at night watching i love lucy, green acres, the monsters and a whole lot more lol old times....
OK. Is there something in actual physics that makes travel to past teorically possible? Traveling to the past is something so strange that one cannot expect logic to work on this.
The theory is travelling faster than light will send you back, but it is also considered impossible to ever reach that speed, let alone exceed it.
Another theory is not truly time travel, but travel to a parallel universe in which everything is like our universe was so many years ago. But if that actually exists and if one could travel to it is unknown.
Fascinating to see how time-travel paradoxes had even the visionary Rod stumped in 1958: it's worth remembering that our notion of divergent timelines had just been thought up, so in those days death - even in your past - seemed more final. Or was it just in the psychiatrist's head? Quality was fine, though, and a great piece of TV.
Thank you for posting this - I had no idea Desi Arnez essentially introduced Rod Serling to the world. Fifty one years later - way before I was born - and I was utterly gripped by this story I had no idea existed before. Incredible. You just feel Serling poured his heart and soul into not only the writing but the execution of the production as it came out.
Like the genre or not, The Twilight Zone is undeniably perhaps the most timeless show of the 50s and 60s put together.
Dying in the past wouldn't make him disappear in the future, if it was his older self that died and not his younger self.
He had gone back to December 6, 1941, and died the next day. But how did that give him time to have ever worked behind the bar to have his picture sitting there 17 years later? Maybe that's why CBS turned down the script.
Yeah, that time element was pretty inept. Lets say he'd went to a time before he was born, and died. That certainly wouldn't mean he would never be born. I can't believe they put that crap on the air. I liked the character though, and I liked the story until the psychologist screwed it up with his inept explanation that was apparently the inadequate truth. Oh well. Flawed, but I still liked it. :D
" Lets say he'd went to a time before he was born, and died. That certainly wouldn't mean he would never be born. "
Yes, it would. He had been "born" in another time. Lets see.. Um, say... That I, who was born in 1988, went back in time to BEFORE my birth, that will have already created an alternate dimension, the pure act of interrupting what was to be causes that to happen. Lets now also assume i.. I dunno choke on a piece of chicken or something, and die.
Now, by dying I have altered the current timeline that I inhabit, that is this NEW time line/dimension.
So there is a split dimension, with my previous life still in it, where I exist and I am born in 1988. But for all intensive purposes, in THIS dimension, I am dead for good. That isn't to say that, I never lived or never died, it's just that now, there have been created alternate dimensions.
So, I guess in a DIRECT sense you would say, in THIS universe, I have died and will no longer live. BUT, I will be born again in 1988, in ANOTHER dimension.
At least this is what I understand of time travel and it's effects. All of which I have learned from DC/Marvel comics and Chrono Trigger XD Pretty sad.
So uhhh..wait just one minute. When that man dies in the past, he disapears in the future right? So why is it that the phyciatrist still remembers talking to him? I mean..since the past was changed so was the future. It's as if he never had ANY paitents and he was never there...does anyone get what I'm trying to say?
The great irony is that the guy thinks everyone else is stupid for being told about the attack and not saving themselves; yet he knows for certain and stays in harms way!!
This is a very unique episode. It is the only one I've seen in which a psychiatrist is faced with an experience he cannot explain rationally and must question his mind and perceptions.
Killer! This is a great program and the ironic ending is classic Rod Serling. I wonder why this is never shown any more. Thanks so much for posting the complete program.
The Time Element is not the original TZ pilot. It never has been, The original and one and only TZ pilot is Where is Everybody. Where people get the idea that it was the original pilot is beyond me.
@gyonis Yes it was definitely intended as the original pilot but CBS executives decided that it did not meet the network standards at the time so "The Time Element" was purchased only to be shelved indefinitely. It wasn't until Westinghouse Desilu Playhouse, discovered "The Time Element" in CBS' vaults and debuted on November 24, 1958.. "Where is Everybody" didn't air until a year later in 1959. So technically "The time element" is the original pilot!
@rowdycat Maybe not officially, but it was the de facto pilot. When Serling first expanded the script out to an hour (before selling it) he titled it "The Twilight Zone: The Time Element". The popularity of the episode convinced CBS that they should make a proper pilot. See The Twilight Zone Companion by Marc Scott Zicree pp,. 16-20.
@rowdycat Actually "The time element" was written before "Where is Everybody" and it was scheduled to become the first pilot, but CBS executives decided that it did not meet the network standards at the time so the "The Time Element" was purchased only to be shelved indefinitely, and talks of making The Twilight Zone a television series ended. It was not after the new producer for Westinghouse Desilu Playhouse, discovered "The Time Element" in CBS' vaults and debuted on November 24, 1958.
Wow THANK YOU SO MUCH! I am a huge fan of this series, but I've never seen this pilot before. This really was an amazing show for the time, and it continues to be to this day.
Really wonderful! Thank you so much for catching how important and interesting this would be to many of us that are fans of both the writing of Serling and the genre of those times.
No,this is not part of TZ season 1,although Serling wanted to.He wrote The Time Element to convince CBS producers about the creation of a new series called The Twilight Zone,but they turned down.Meanwhile the script was found by Westinghouse Desilu Playhouse tv show and they decided to make an episode.Later CBS gave Serling another chance and he wrote a new pilot called Where Is Everybody?I found this few months ago in demonoid and since many people wanted to see it, I decided to put it here
Don't go back in time and get killed. Go forward in time and drop dead.
Onlymusical 2 weeks ago
I hate going back in time and being strafed by Japanese airplanes.
Onlymusical 2 weeks ago
Rod Serling & Desi Arnaz fought the networks and sponsors to get this episode on. The TVLAND copy was edited and after the story finished Desi came out and offered an explanation on what happened (the network/sponsor insisted on it) and asked the audience if they had an explantion when this originally aired. I'm glad TVLAND didn't use it.
backbaconnbeer 2 months ago
@backbaconnbeer Christ, I'd like to hear that explanation!
Onlymusical 2 weeks ago
The really cool thing about this episode - besides that fact that it
was an incredible story for it's time - and even for today - is that it
got everyone who posted here thinking about time travel and it's
implications! This is exactly what Rod Serling wanted - to make
people think! :)
maxauburn 3 months ago
The final narration was really great! "It's October 7, 1958, at 12:10PM, if anyone is interested! The end!"
greg55666 4 months ago
Hey, that's Al Gore sitting at the bar at 3:00!
greg55666 4 months ago
Has anyone else noticed that the special effects are really fantastic in this episode? Those planes flying toward him through the window are flawless.
greg55666 4 months ago
Bendix was a much better actor than I ever gave him credit for. He's very good here in this excellent pilot. All the elements that made Twilight Zone a classic are here: Intriguing story, great actors and wonderful music.
ipmoic 6 months ago 2
The shrink is going to need a shrink.
astranine 6 months ago 2
Twilight Zone Is So Deep , Rod Sterling Is A Genius . R.I.P
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Since he died in 1941, he never actually lived until 1958. This makes it so that he never went to the psychiatrist in the first place, and also makes it so that hes never had those dreams in the first place either. On top of that, since he's never lived past 1941, he wouldn't have known about what would have happened after 1941. Thus he wouldn't have the knowledge about pearl harbour to begin with, neither would he have went back time in the first place. This paradoxical loop restarts.
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Since he died in 1941, he never actually lived until 1958. This makes it so that he never went to the psychiatrist in the first place, and also makes it so that hes never had those dreams in the first place either. On top of that, since he's never lived past 1941, he wouldn't have known about what would have happened after 1941. Thus he wouldn't have the knowledge about pearl harbour to begin with, neither would he have went back time in the first place. This paradoxical loop restarts.
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Since he died in 1941, he never actually lived until 1958. This makes it so that he never went to the psychiatrist in the first place, and also makes it so that hes never had those dreams in the first place either. On top of that, since he's never lived past 1941, he wouldn't have known about what would have happened after 1941. Thus he wouldn't have the knowledge about pearl harbour to begin with, neither would he have went back time in the first place. This paradoxical loop restarts.
131T3M3 7 months ago
Since he died in 1941, he never actually lived until 1958. This makes it so that he never went to the psychiatrist in the first place, and also makes it so that hes never had those dreams in the first place either. On top of that, since he's never lived past 1941, he wouldn't have known about what would have happened after 1941. Thus he wouldn't have the knowledge about pearl harbour to begin with, neither would he have went back time in the first place. This paradoxical loop restarts.
131T3M3 7 months ago
Since he died in 1941, he never actually lived until 1958. This makes it so that he never went to the psychiatrist in the first place, and also makes it so that hes never had those dreams in the first place either. On top of that, since he's never lived past 1941, he wouldn't have known about what would have happened after 1941. Thus he wouldn't have the knowledge about pearl harbour to begin with, neither would he have went back time in the first place. This paradoxical loop restarts.
131T3M3 7 months ago
If Mr. Jenson was traveling back in time with in his own lifetime, then this makes sense. But, if he traveled from the point of 1958 to 1941 (i.e. as the same age as in 1958) then it wouldn't change a whole lot in his life....except the bets he would have won.....he would have lived until 1958.
jacobk2 7 months ago
maybe were all from the future and the past, and reality is just everything cycling at once. It doesn't have to necesarily just be a time "machine" either, maybe the one who breaks time, is a wise old monk whom is the only one who can transport ppl back or forwards in time. So my friend, as u can see theres so many different possibilities as i said in the first post. No hard feelings, ur very smart, but a little too confined mentally, a little human. U can think in ANY way
Kuzarkit 8 months ago
another scenario, say its the year 1 million; 1,000,000,000,000,00,00n 15 A.D. There have been thousands of apocolypses and billions of generations away from 2011. They wouldn't even want to consider coming back here, theres no reason, unless they want to go back to the beginning of time. And maybe they did, maybe hitler was a farmer, but the future men, came here and made him into what we know now as a killer. So maybe they have been here already and changed history. We would never know.
Kuzarkit 8 months ago
and that is where the term "mind-fuck" came to be
BenBeier 8 months ago
If time travel was possible, why haven't we seen people from the future?
I mean our future is pretty much infinite, you'd think in the infinite time ahead..maybe in 200,000-5,000,000,000,000,000 years someone will create time travel and come to this time. We haven't seen anyone, thus it can't be possible.
I'm not trying to sound smart or ignorant, since I'm just stating the obvious.
WonderNoobie 9 months ago
@WonderNoobie if i had a time machine in 5200 AD who'd want to come bak to dis shitty existense 2011. Im going back to 3458 baby.
Kuzarkit 8 months ago
Not just 2011, I mean we have a past too. Time travel I don't think is possible.
WonderNoobie 8 months ago
@WonderNoobie yeah but what if in 2034 the world ends and only 2 people remain to populate the earth. Then eventually, thousands of years later they invent a time machine, but dont want to go back anymore than to 2034 or they would cease to exist, they wouldn't want the risk of their existence ending in an instant. So there could be an infinite amount of different possibilities, you can't just write it off as "not possible" just because reality doesn't fit into your "one idea".
Kuzarkit 8 months ago
Not possible was the wrong words. But what do you mean they will 'cease' to exist. How will they 'cease' to exist by going back before 2034? I don't understand and I don't even know where to start with that. But I get the whole idea. Plus my "idea" isn't exactly an idea at all. We haven't seen anyone from the future. That's fact. And let's just say your statement is true. Someone within the infinite future someone is going to go back in time before 2034. Why wouldn't they?
WonderNoobie 8 months ago
@WonderNoobie maybe theres a restriction, a law, to not go back past 2034, by the way this is all hypothetical stuff were talking about here. your "facts" are facts in 2011, not in 6789, so dont start with that. And the cease to exist was just added to make drama and effect, it dont really mean nothing, dont pick apart every word i use, especially in a hyptothetical situation. Possible means, it either can or cant; "not possible" means, cant. 500 yrs ago it was possible to create a blackhole..
Kuzarkit 8 months ago
I didn't pick apart what you said. I just didn't understand. I just didn't understand why wouldn't they be able to go past 2034? Now I see what you mean by your first sentence. This fight (for lack of a better word at the moment) is pointless. As I see you can create new laws. Possible means you can (Not can or can't). Your new law or ideas are way out of context. In the infinite future if time travel was possible, someone is going to come back to 2011 or earlier. And no one hasn't.
WonderNoobie 8 months ago
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Kuzarkit 8 months ago
Don't you hate when it says comment removed instead of actually removing the entire comment?
WonderNoobie 8 months ago
@WonderNoobie so ur saying that u never had anything u thought was possible, turn out to be impossible? Its can or cant dawg. If making it to the movies by 9:30 am is a "possibility" and i end up there around 9:45 am, it turns out it was not possible after all, right.
Kuzarkit 8 months ago
Something that was possible, can't turn out to be impossible if it was possible in the first place. Going to the movies by 9:30 is a possibility. But if I get there at 9:45 I should have just drove faster or woke up earlier. That doesn't mean it was turned out to be impossible.
WonderNoobie 8 months ago
@WonderNoobie so were u late? it started with possible than became not possible, regardless of the circumstances, thats bull, u could say, i coulda asked god to transport me there in a flash, but i was left with reality with no car and the means to get there was not possible eafter all
Kuzarkit 8 months ago
What? So your saying that I was supposed to go to a place at 9:30 but there is no way I can get there by that time? Then it was never possible in the first place. It was ALWAYS impossible. Something cannot be possible then be impossible. That makes no sense. If there is a way for me to get there in time, then it is possible and was never impossible. If there isn't any way for me to get there in time, it's impossible and was never possible in the first place.
WonderNoobie 8 months ago
@WonderNoobie and i dont know about you but if i was from the future, i wouldnt be telling the news and start shitting diamonds to show off my advanced capabilties, i would just lay back and do what i came to 2011 to do, get it done, then leave. your "fact", is not a fact if you dont know for sure, there could be a future reptile man walking around, and u would never know, heck, I could be from the future and screwing with u for pleasantries, but u would never know. Get yo facts straight buddy
Kuzarkit 8 months ago
How are my facts not straight? If there was a "reptile man walking around", I would know. Why? Because there is a reptile man walking around. I don't see what you did there. Yeah, if time travel was created it would definitely be a secret. But it will be found out, sometime in the billions of years ahead. Because if it is possible, then other people will create it. Not just the people keeping it secret.
WonderNoobie 8 months ago
@WonderNoobie dude, think outside the box man, ur thinking at a human level rite now, thats why ur so frustrated, but all this means nothing to me because I think outside the bounds of ego, and its all good, whether im right or wrong. Okay say there was a normal man, not a reptile man. Now go back to the top and replace reptile with normal, u square
Kuzarkit 8 months ago
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Kuzarkit 8 months ago
he could've hid under his bed, away from the window, where he was vulnerable to shattered glass and bullets
freddyyun8 9 months ago
Ok tht was just plain koolio!!!
ArieltheNOTmermaid 11 months ago
Wow! Thanks for posting this. I've never seen this one.
VoyagerBob 11 months ago
Thanks so much for uploading, Rod Serling was a genius!
WolfQueene 1 year ago 2
And then both psychatrist and patient became part of "Quantum Leap"!
UTAOUB 1 year ago
I like how in the end, the guy taps his chin in the same beat as the music in the background.
RonnieKane 1 year ago
Starring William Bendix (Life of Riley).
faffaflunkie 1 year ago
Wow, thanks for the fascinating info! I'm a huge Twilight Zone fan of the Rod Serling era. Always thought that "Where Is Everybody" was the first episode. Thanks for the info.
Also glad to know they're releasing the Twilight Zone on Blu Ray as of 2010. Cool.
FelixNColon 1 year ago
Poor Marty B., to be the one saddled with those dreams, that is the plot twist.
utterlyviolet 1 year ago
@utterlyviolet
I don't think the Dr dreamed but he had a faint recollection of the patient and his dreams.
There is a SF story called "Lathe of Heaven" in which a shrink realizes his patient's dreams come true. So he tries to influence the patient's deams with his wishes.
The dr wanted it to be less crowded: the patient dreamed a plague.
He wished for the end of racism: everyone turned grey.
He wanted world peace: the planet was invaded and nations banded together.
melora72 1 year ago
WOW good1...thx to uploader....
EvilMrDark 1 year ago
if that was me i would be conserned with getting the fuck out off honolulu if that married cuple puched me i give up have a nice time beging hallway to hell asshole
Mrwilliams321 1 year ago
It's great to finally see this unofficial TZ pilot. Word has it, it will be included on the first season Blu-Ray edition coming 09-14-10.
DooshMcBaggin 1 year ago
i Miss desilu
prckay 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Rod Serling wrote a teleplay intending it to be the pilot episode (first episode) for Twilight Zone but ended up airing on a diffrent show Westinghouse Desilu Playhouse. So some people call this the pilot episode. Hope this cleared everything up. :)
Jeffrey10455 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Rod Serling wrote a teleplay intending it to be the pilot episode (first episode) for Twilight Zone but ended up airing on a diffrent show Westinghouse Desilu Playhouse. So some people call this the pilot episode. Hope this cleared everything up. :)
Jeffrey10455 1 year ago
Rod Serling wrote a teleplay intending it to be the pilot episode (first episode) for Twilight Zone but ended up airing on a diffrent show Westinghouse Desilu Playhouse. So some people call this the pilot episode. Hope this cleared everything up. :)
Jeffrey10455 1 year ago
This is first class TV entertainment. I enjoy watching the original Twilight Zone series. Richard Matheson, John Clay Johnson and Rod Serling were one of the best writers .... even Stephen King pays tribute to Serling's shows as well. Let's face it fans, these shows were cool because, just like the end of this episode .... it made you think.
Another one of Serling's shows, if you are a Radio lover was a show called, "The Zero Hour." Check it out. Thanks for posting.
MrChristian326 1 year ago
It looks to me that this was rod sterlings way of explaining the fact that the u.s government knew pearl harbor was going to be attacked before hand along with the alleged time travel experiments during wwII, one of which was called the manhattan project. The guy from 58' was in new york city b4 ending up in honolulu. Connection?. I just wonder how was it possible for him to explain his experience to the psychiatrist but yet he died when he traveled back to 41'?
ObjectiveApproach 1 year ago
He must have finally saw his recurring dream all the way through at some point, then gunned down and became non existent in 58'.
ObjectiveApproach 1 year ago
@ObjectiveApproach Everybody talked about the what-ifs of Pearl Harbor, and if the government was warned about it. But in the sixties, we heard about the warning transmission sent by the Navy that failed because of the ionosphere, it was all very ironic. People even talked about going back in time to warn the Navy. It wasn't a set up, just a chain of errors.
PetrusRuppert 1 year ago
@PetrusRuppert
Well I know people talk about code breaking and interceptions but when I look at the events prior to the attack along with the actions of FDR, I don't think its a simple case of a string of coincidental errors or irony...The U.S government had a whole lot of issues to deal with in the 60's so an admission of knowing about something 20 or so yrs ago wouldn't have helped them. As far the supposed time travel experiments during the war they go far beyond preventing pearl harbor.
ObjectiveApproach 1 year ago
@ObjectiveApproach It was only talk in the 1960's to possibly go back and warn everyone, it was no mare than a fantasy, but upon what are you basing the wartime time travel experiments you mention? Sorry, but I never heard any of it, nor read about it. The issue with the attempted warning broadcasts came from interviews with people who had come forward with their experiences, not from the government. A long work was written by an historian about the Pearl Harbor attack, At Dawn We Slept.
PetrusRuppert 1 year ago
@PetrusRuppert
The time travel experiments I've read about have more to do with nazi germany and the U.S sharing technology the experiment here was actually called the "Philadelphia experiment" (not manhattan which involved developing atomic bombs). The works by Peter moon and Preston B. Nichols talk about this in conjunction with another project supposedly done in Montauk upstate New York and the governments ties with the nazi party on down to the bush family.
ObjectiveApproach 1 year ago
@ObjectiveApproach
One of those books is called "montauk revisited, adventures in synchronicity." I don't doubt pertinent messages and warnings didn't get through to the necessary chains of command for whatever reason but again looking at the previous events that led up to the bombing in the first place leads me to think it's definitely possible FDR was aware and even expecting it. Check out what FDR was doing b4 the event.
ObjectiveApproach 1 year ago
5:05 lol ok, the scariest thing about this was hearing "you're watching Nick at Nite" in that 50s voice.. knowing Nick at Nite didn't exist til the 90s
sirmolio 1 year ago
@sirmolio - The uploader probably recorded this on VHS in the 90's and put a digital copy on YouTube. It was simply a rerun to introduce the concept of "TV Land"...
Cooltomorrowkid 1 year ago
A real pschiatrist knows that "cut and dried" has nothing to do with the workings of the human mind, and that the drugs and the books are only symbols of the obvious and physical in life--temporary and fleeting. The mind neither knows anything or cares about the passage of time. ;]
buzzclick500 1 year ago
Like Groundhog Day . Earn money in 1958, spend it in 1941 Hawaii and stay away from windows.
schranker 1 year ago
@schranker Haha! good one!
jonquil4000 1 year ago
CHATEAU NERF DE FUCKIN PAPP McFOO!!!
*faints*
ShroudedFury 1 year ago
Maybe somebody should go back in time to warn the people behind that new station "TV LAND" and warn them about the sad slide down that their television station will take in 2008,2009,2010 with stupid shows like 'High School Reunion" and of how many fans they will lose. If we did that then maybe today we'd still have all our old favorites on TV LAND today, lol.
thechaz83 2 years ago 2
@thechaz83 Car 54 Where Are You! IMO TV Land was never as good as the original Nick at Night.
greg55666 4 months ago
If i was born in 1982, and lets say in 1989at the age of 7, I went back in time somehow to the year 1972. The me in 1989 at 7 years old stops when I leave and I pick back up at 7 years old in 1972. As I grow older and approach 1989, at age 24, If i'm still in the same town, in 1989, I can actually go and watch myself at age 7 go back in time and dissapear. But the me at 24 in 1989 continues on. But if in 1989 I try to prevent myself from going back, It might cause some deadly shit to happen.
HellhammerSS 2 years ago 2
Lolz, that's why the thought of Time Travel is somewhat ilogical. If you somehow prevent yourself from going back, you'd be forever caught in some cirlce.
darkprincess1012 2 years ago
they dont make films like that no more , big thanks .
johnybb2000 2 years ago
AWESOME!!!
jackinla8 2 years ago
Arguably Serling's BEST WORK!!
primelimelite 2 years ago
great ending
jonnybaze 2 years ago
Thank you so much for showing this on youtube!! I am a really big Twilight Zone fan, and it`s very satisfying to see the episode that started it all!!
smalk2 2 years ago
wow this was superb!
mac163 2 years ago
omg AMAZING....especially seeing the wonderful Desi Arnaz open up the episode:) My 2 favorite guys: Rod & Desi AMAZING
CarmellaLuciano 2 years ago
at 4:41 that add... i hait when those happens. ruins a perfect moment.
TonPappa 2 years ago
if only he had a De Lorean and could get back to the future.
fishheadlouie 2 years ago 11
Most people think that time progresses in a linear manner, but it's actually more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey... stuff...
alexlodda 2 years ago 6
The sad thing is that if he'd survived, he'd have been rich. All those bookies still owed him money.
shawnmcghee1 2 years ago 21
crazy!
babygrl5016xoxo 2 years ago
I bet David Lynch saw this as a kid.
They should have incorporated this into the Twilight Zone series. Erase Arnaz in the beginning, and let Serling do his thang.
SonicMountain 2 years ago
I'm surprise that it didn't remade as a Twilight Zone episode.I know are episode similar.
mavericstud9 2 years ago
cool this must have been a special when tv land was first becoming a channel lol i remember watching nick at night watching i love lucy, green acres, the monsters and a whole lot more lol old times....
GhostOfRockyHorror 2 years ago
OK. Is there something in actual physics that makes travel to past teorically possible? Traveling to the past is something so strange that one cannot expect logic to work on this.
LucBertolotti 2 years ago
The theory is travelling faster than light will send you back, but it is also considered impossible to ever reach that speed, let alone exceed it.
Another theory is not truly time travel, but travel to a parallel universe in which everything is like our universe was so many years ago. But if that actually exists and if one could travel to it is unknown.
Check out Wikipedia's article on Time travel.
nemoDaedalus 2 years ago
Fun stuff, thanks for posting
jedibill111 2 years ago 3
Fascinating to see how time-travel paradoxes had even the visionary Rod stumped in 1958: it's worth remembering that our notion of divergent timelines had just been thought up, so in those days death - even in your past - seemed more final. Or was it just in the psychiatrist's head? Quality was fine, though, and a great piece of TV.
davepx 2 years ago
.....damn...thats what I call a mindfuck!!
crazycardude1984 2 years ago
Dude... I'm just speechless...
leon1a4 2 years ago
Thank you for posting this - I had no idea Desi Arnez essentially introduced Rod Serling to the world. Fifty one years later - way before I was born - and I was utterly gripped by this story I had no idea existed before. Incredible. You just feel Serling poured his heart and soul into not only the writing but the execution of the production as it came out.
Like the genre or not, The Twilight Zone is undeniably perhaps the most timeless show of the 50s and 60s put together.
fuggybootnling 3 years ago 2
Absolutely brilliant.
Askanison4 3 years ago
Thank you, great TV!!!
sunbeltcity 3 years ago
Dying in the past wouldn't make him disappear in the future, if it was his older self that died and not his younger self.
He had gone back to December 6, 1941, and died the next day. But how did that give him time to have ever worked behind the bar to have his picture sitting there 17 years later? Maybe that's why CBS turned down the script.
MagiMysteryTour 3 years ago
Yeah, that time element was pretty inept. Lets say he'd went to a time before he was born, and died. That certainly wouldn't mean he would never be born. I can't believe they put that crap on the air. I liked the character though, and I liked the story until the psychologist screwed it up with his inept explanation that was apparently the inadequate truth. Oh well. Flawed, but I still liked it. :D
Bleakmage 2 years ago
" Lets say he'd went to a time before he was born, and died. That certainly wouldn't mean he would never be born. "
Yes, it would. He had been "born" in another time. Lets see.. Um, say... That I, who was born in 1988, went back in time to BEFORE my birth, that will have already created an alternate dimension, the pure act of interrupting what was to be causes that to happen. Lets now also assume i.. I dunno choke on a piece of chicken or something, and die.
hidetolove 2 years ago
Now, by dying I have altered the current timeline that I inhabit, that is this NEW time line/dimension.
So there is a split dimension, with my previous life still in it, where I exist and I am born in 1988. But for all intensive purposes, in THIS dimension, I am dead for good. That isn't to say that, I never lived or never died, it's just that now, there have been created alternate dimensions.
hidetolove 2 years ago
So, I guess in a DIRECT sense you would say, in THIS universe, I have died and will no longer live. BUT, I will be born again in 1988, in ANOTHER dimension.
At least this is what I understand of time travel and it's effects. All of which I have learned from DC/Marvel comics and Chrono Trigger XD Pretty sad.
hidetolove 2 years ago
last thought, the end was rather strange, and didn't make much sense but, that is i suppose the direct effect of this dimension..
Or something ._.
hidetolove 2 years ago
that guy looked 40+.so he must have been 20+ in 1941.didnt he meet himself?
Indiaexpress 3 years ago
So uhhh..wait just one minute. When that man dies in the past, he disapears in the future right? So why is it that the phyciatrist still remembers talking to him? I mean..since the past was changed so was the future. It's as if he never had ANY paitents and he was never there...does anyone get what I'm trying to say?
911Lithium911 3 years ago
yeah that's definitely a flaw in the scripts outlook on time travel... but its the twilight zone, not physics! haha.
trisix99 3 years ago
Try this one on - the doctor is seeing a ghost, It's a ghost story.
hasablad69 3 years ago
The great irony is that the guy thinks everyone else is stupid for being told about the attack and not saving themselves; yet he knows for certain and stays in harms way!!
philstoneiii 3 years ago
ha! i was just thinking the same thing
lasa101 2 years ago
This is the best episode of any television show I've ever seen.
Haddock420 3 years ago
Who was the guy in the black hat and coat in the picture frame in the bar of the Hawaiian hotel? The one who the barender said was in New York.
jd55192 3 years ago
Fiorello La Guardia, Mayor of New York for three terms from 1934 to 1945. He was popularly known as "the Little Flower,"
vtaylor1601 3 years ago
Fiorello means little flower in Italian.
MagiMysteryTour 3 years ago
I love how the first few episodes of TZ always ended in a cliffhanger!
dstebbin 3 years ago
This is a very unique episode. It is the only one I've seen in which a psychiatrist is faced with an experience he cannot explain rationally and must question his mind and perceptions.
D2
SilverRedIndigo 3 years ago
Killer! This is a great program and the ironic ending is classic Rod Serling. I wonder why this is never shown any more. Thanks so much for posting the complete program.
storrs19 3 years ago
The Time Element is not the original TZ pilot. It never has been, The original and one and only TZ pilot is Where is Everybody. Where people get the idea that it was the original pilot is beyond me.
rowdycat 3 years ago 2
thanks for your opinion
mekrain 3 years ago
@mekrain I think it's a matter of facts not opinions. So was it or was it not the original pilot? You guys lost me.
gyonis 1 year ago
@gyonis Yes it was definitely intended as the original pilot but CBS executives decided that it did not meet the network standards at the time so "The Time Element" was purchased only to be shelved indefinitely. It wasn't until Westinghouse Desilu Playhouse, discovered "The Time Element" in CBS' vaults and debuted on November 24, 1958.. "Where is Everybody" didn't air until a year later in 1959. So technically "The time element" is the original pilot!
jtridexter 1 year ago
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jtridexter 1 year ago
the time element was made before where is everybody, but aired afterwards.
soaper4 3 years ago
Actually, "The Time Element" aired in November 1958. The Twilight Zone debuted in October 1959.
ChicagoRic360 3 years ago
"The Time Element" is the script Serling sold to CBS as part of his initial effort to develop "The Twilight Zone."
ChicagoRic360 3 years ago
@rowdycat Maybe not officially, but it was the de facto pilot. When Serling first expanded the script out to an hour (before selling it) he titled it "The Twilight Zone: The Time Element". The popularity of the episode convinced CBS that they should make a proper pilot. See The Twilight Zone Companion by Marc Scott Zicree pp,. 16-20.
rogermccoy 1 year ago
@rowdycat Actually "The time element" was written before "Where is Everybody" and it was scheduled to become the first pilot, but CBS executives decided that it did not meet the network standards at the time so the "The Time Element" was purchased only to be shelved indefinitely, and talks of making The Twilight Zone a television series ended. It was not after the new producer for Westinghouse Desilu Playhouse, discovered "The Time Element" in CBS' vaults and debuted on November 24, 1958.
jtridexter 1 year ago
@rowdycat Search it in Wikipedia my friend, you are wrong
superlucas010578 1 year ago
@rowdycat
The aired pilot was Where Is Everybody. That's true.
The Time Element was intended to be the pilot, but the project never got off the ground.
It probably had to do with either the sponsors or CBS.
So Serling ended up going with Where Is Everybody.
IImitateVince 1 year ago 4
@rowdycat simple that any information regarding the TWilight Zone this has been labeled as the prelude to the show.
moviesrocks2 11 months ago
Wow THANK YOU SO MUCH! I am a huge fan of this series, but I've never seen this pilot before. This really was an amazing show for the time, and it continues to be to this day.
Mandrik 3 years ago
Thank you so much!
I truly enjoyed it!
bannie 3 years ago
Really wonderful! Thank you so much for catching how important and interesting this would be to many of us that are fans of both the writing of Serling and the genre of those times.
i999shadow 4 years ago 2
yeah, no TZ and probably no OL. One Step Beyond would be much more famous than it is now
mekrain 4 years ago
OL?
Hrrpttr854 3 years ago
yeah. OL was heavily influenced by TZ
mekrain 3 years ago
What is OL?
Hrrpttr854 3 years ago
TZ - Twilight Zone
OL - Outer Limits
mekrain 3 years ago
Ah ty
Hrrpttr854 3 years ago
OL = "The Outer Limits"
ChicagoRic360 3 years ago
No,this is not part of TZ season 1,although Serling wanted to.He wrote The Time Element to convince CBS producers about the creation of a new series called The Twilight Zone,but they turned down.Meanwhile the script was found by Westinghouse Desilu Playhouse tv show and they decided to make an episode.Later CBS gave Serling another chance and he wrote a new pilot called Where Is Everybody?I found this few months ago in demonoid and since many people wanted to see it, I decided to put it here
mekrain 4 years ago