Thank you, Athena, for discouraging the use of elbows in trying to relieve back pain. As a long time sufferer of sciatica, I've found that my back and hips don't respond favorably to their use on me.
It would seem (although I could be wrong ofcourse) that a cranio sacral emphasis could complement the re-balancing that occurs in upper cervical care after corrections of the c1. I can feel that they're all related and my progress has been slowed because of my bent tailbone and twisted mis aligned sacrum and lowered pelvic floor muscles etc.
Athena is obviously a fine MT but I wish she'd stop spouting New Age hostility to what she calls ''western medicine.'' That's nonsense. Millions of people just in America who eat wisely and exercise still suffer from diseases annually and require conventional medical attention.
Great video... but I must disagree with you when you say the sphenoid bone becomes rotated to counteract the displacement of the sacral spine region. The sutures between the bones of the skull and the pressure created by the joints betweens said bones will not allow for the bone to simply rotate out of place. Please look at this from a true anatomically correct perspective.
@sszaaron Massage Therapy is a College course... it's 3 years long. Plus you need to get your license. Unless you want to do it illegally or depending where you live.
@XxquickpenxX I've never heard of a MT course being 3 years long! LOL Usually they are 7-9 months just for the MT part, and a total of 18 if someone goes for their AA degree in MT.
@xflaxen1 Like I said it depends where you live. In Canada (Ontario, B-C and Nova-Scotia) you need a license to practice Massage Therapy, after your done you have to pay 1000$ to get licensed by The Ordre Of Massage Therapists. Once your licensed you become an RMT (Registered Massage Therapist, where you can work in hospitals, old age homes... etc.) Like I said depends where you live. If your in the US Massage Therapy isn't reglemented by the healthcare system.
@xflaxen1 RMT's are paid 80$ for an hour, 120$ for an hour and a half. We can work with Sports teams PGA, NHL... etc. So really it depends where you work and how good you are. But your typical salary is 80$ a massage for an hour.
I have been having adjustment on my lower back for good 7 years and have never had this done. Would like to try this. Where is this at? Ii need some good good person o fix my back.
I have been having adjustment on my lower back for good 7 years and have never had this done. Would like to try this. Where is this at? Ii need some good good person o fix my back.
If western medicine were doing its job would we have huge hospitals to house all the sick people. "Treatment" deaths would not be so high. Mecical boards would applaud new cancer treatments that are not radiation or chemo. Food would be clean as would the water. There are times for drugs however NOT the way they are used today. Western models need to move away from being a business and people should be responsible for their own health options and have the information readily available.
@athenaraven1 I agree people should be responsible for their own health...but no matter how much this is emphasized, there will be some people who do NOT take responsibility for their own health--they will continue to eat poorly, and not exercise, etc, and they will get diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc. What then? Of course they should should be counseled on improving their diet and exercising more, but for some people, that won't be enough...what then?
@autiger509 Should medications be the "go-to" solution? Definitely not. Lifestyle changes should ALWAYS be emphasized...but medications have a role;t they are not evil.
And maybe they don't do this in Austin (though I highly doubt it) but where I live, multiple hospitals, clinics, pharmacies, etc DO make efforts to educate the community on how to handle AND how to prevent diseases.
@autiger509 Medications are sometimes necessary, however it is not necessary to use medications for most conditions. Remember, when you take a chemical medicine there are side effects (have you read the labels?) Information should be easily and honestly available for both the chemical route and the natural route. This is a choice for each man/woman to make without the mandates of government or the greed of an industry who is upset by effective and safe competition.
@autiger509 People are responsible for their own health. If they want to trash their body, it is their choice. Look at all the mandates set into law and the forcing the medical industry does on people who choose a different way. I think the government should get out of the health industry, they have allowed many horrific things to take place, which is why everyone is benefited by doing homework. If you do your research you will find most of the medical 'solutions' only make people more sick.
@athenaraven1 Do we say, "Oh, sorry, you should have made better lifestyle choices! This is your own fault, so I am not going to help you!" Of course we don't!
I don't argue that there are benefits to eastern medicine, but I really resent being told western medicine is all about "business" and not about helping/healing. I am in pharmacy school because I want to HELP people...sometimes that means giving them medications.
The way she said "only treatable by western medical people" - blimey... why not sacrifice some goats and run in some ground-up tiger bones? Nice massage but the factually incorrect politics, medical and anatomical statements are nothing but quackery and voodoo.
@athenaraven1 I don't know what to say to that. Perhaps if I moved my skull bones around and massaged my liver I'd gain an education to promote scientific opinion to scientific fact.
all those "western medical people" are DOCTORS...but oh wait, that's just a label...doesn't mean they went to school for years, had lots of training, have scientific evidence for what they practice, etc...
Doctors go to school to learn surgery and how to write prescriptions.
They don't know much about nutrition or how to naturally heal the body, so it doesn't matter how many years one goes to school if they are learning the same curriculum each year.
And each year new scientific evidence comes out to debunk the previous find.
People need to stop thinking doctors are gods and understand what their limits are.
@1HelpingMany Not sure you know much about how professional schools work...I'm in pharmacy school, and we are constantly reviewing new data/studies that have come out and talking about how it impacts current practice. Also, while we are obviously learning a lot about drugs, we also talk a decent amount about lifestyle changes people can make so they won't need to take medication. Yes, this is pharmacy school, not medical school, but I'd imagine it'd be similar.
@1HelpingMany “Well you kind of proved one of my points by what you commented ‘we are constantly reviewing new data/studies.’ Each year doctors tell people new studies are facts and next year something comes out to debunk the previous findings.” – Specific examples, please, of some studies have been “debunked”?
@1HelpingMany Also, I did not mean that every year new studies come out about the exact same drugs and diseases…there are a bunch out there, so treatment recommendations don’t change every single year; my point was that us “western” people DO keep up with current resarch and don’t just teach the same old curriculum, like you indicated.
I don't mean they go to school for 4 years to write prescriptions. I mean it is the drug companies who pay the bills and most doctors will not take the same drugs they give their own patients.
Doctors get upset when people don't want to vaccinate their children.
I know about the other fields out there of doctors, but I'm focused on the ones who push this Western medicine is good for humanity and nothing else is.
You say “I know about the other fields out there of doctors, but I'm focused on the ones who push this Western medicine is good for humanity and nothing else is,” and that has been my point this whole time. Almost EVERY VIDEO Athena says something deragatory about western medicine and how eastern medicine is the future...
... that sure sounds to me like she is saying only eastern medicine is good for humanity and nothing else. That is why I am annoyed—I am in pharmacy school because I want to help people, so I really don’t appreciate being told how worthless my profession is when compared to giving massages.
@1HelpingMany Don’t get me wrong, I looove massages; great way to relax/de-stress, help improve the musculoskeletal system, etc…but western medicine is important, and shouldn’t be dismissed as “hacking and sawing” (as Athena mentioned in a previous video).
@1HelpingMany also, I believe everyone, including doctors, have limits...and I do NOT think they are gods. But I do think multiple years of school and residencies account for something.
I'm not saying doctors know nothing. Like I stated before they go to school to study surgery and how to write prescriptions being its the drug companies who pay the bulk of their salaries.
There are people who have actually cured their type one diabetes, but you will never hear of them in the U.S. because the pharmaceutical companies will not allow this.
So you are working in a field that lives off people health issues. No health issues no growth for the industry.
“I'm not saying doctors know nothing. Like I stated before they go to school to study surgery and how to write prescriptions”—Do you realize how many doctors are not surgeons? Pediatricians, general practioners, etc, deal with every day illnesses. Further, aside from knowing the abbreviations used in writing prescriptions, there isn’t much to learn. They aren’t in school 4 years just to “learn how to write prescriptions.”
There are some great doctors out there so don't get me wrong about my comments. It just over the past 20years things have change in the drug industry so much.
Its more about profit than curing and the doctors are the pushers.
Like I said I know doctors who were well into a ripe age who took nothing but natural medicine. They refused to use pharma drugs.
You speak of scientific data. Who provides this data. The drug companies do. Do you even know how the FDA works with big pharma.
@1HelpingMany Actually, when I say “scientific data,” I am referring to clinical trials published in respected journals. Many of these are done through universities, hospitals, etc. Do drug companies sometimes fund these studies? Yes, but not always; often the institutions doing the research fund them. Further, while I don’t argue that drug companies want to make a buck, I don’t think this means that all the data out there is only what the drug companies want published
And I don't mean all companies so please don't take me out of context.
I see your passion, but I don't believe you have learn the whole story of what is really going on here with these drug companies.
To much of anything is not always healthy for you.
The FDA just shut down a company in Oregon if I'm not mistaken because they were healing people naturally, but they couldn't make claims because it wasn't drugs being used
Its a dirty game being play and the drug companies make rules
@1HelpingMany "I don't believe you have learn the whole story of what is really going on here with these drug companies." Enlighten me, please...because you are right, I really have no idea what you believe is happening.
@autiger509 Just do some research. Natural News has some good data, the laws they pass for mandates on vaccines and drugs is a big flag to this. I have watched the decline of people for many years due to the uses of western medicine and have seen those who are 'unable to be helped' by the medical professionals recover a great deal with natural work of various methods. You will be sickened beyond belief as you learn of the medical corruption and abuse which has been going on for years.
@1HelpingMany For example, I saw an article published in July of this year entitled “Glucocorticoid-Induced Bone Disease” (by Weinsten, et. al.). Now, what about all those drug companies selling glucocorticoids? Do you think they want everyone knowing that glucocorticoids can increase osteoporosis? No! Yet the article exists…indicating that this scientific data I am referring to isn’t “just what drug companies want us to hear.”
@1HelpingMany Now, this where you jump in and say “see! Drugs are bad! Look at all the side effects they cause!” Are drugs perfect? Absolutely not.They do have side effects…hmm, just like say, some natural products do? We should eat lots of fiber…but that can give us gas! We should get plenty of calcium to avoid osteoporosis, but too much calcium can often lead to kidney stones. Point being, drugs are not perfect, but sometimes they are necessary, and they do help people.
Respond to this video... “There are people who have actually cured their type one diabetes, but you will never hear of them in the U.S. because the pharmaceutical companies will not allow this.” – Hooray for conspiracy theories. Where is your proof for this? You say the U.S. pharmaceutical companies have hidden this information, but if it is true, it would be out there somewhere.
Again I'm not saying all doctors are monsters. I don't believe I ever wrote that, but something is going on in a country where more drugs are coming out at a rapid pace, but yet cancer is up, autism is up, strokes are up. There is a long list of health risk people are dealing with in a growing field.
The drug industry.
You never for once thought about why the gov put a agency together called Food and Drug Adm.
Has nothing to do with conspiracy theories. These are facts.
@1HelpingMany ...what are you talking about? Last time I checked, the FDA is involved with determing what drugs go on the market, so the drug companies can’t just put any old drug they come up with on the market without sufficient testing and research to indicate what it’s limitations are and that it will actually be helpful.
You might want to do some deeper studies about the FDA because I know for a fact you are incorrect about your comment.
There are alot of drugs that do not go through proper testing and are rushed through due to financial gain. They are put on the market and taken off when people start dying from them.
Do you know how many FDA heads work for the gov after they left the FDA. Its a very long list.
@1HelpingMany What IS the role of the FDA, then, since you "know for a fact" that I am incorrect? And I am familiar with the drug application/review/testing process, and that some drugs have expedited reviews (though I argue that they are *all* for financial gain--some of them are expedited for conditions that need immediate attention, like AIDS).
@1HelpingMany Finally, there are some diseases that will NOT be healed "naturally." Type One diabetes? Sorry, a massage isn't going to make it go away, and diet helps, but is not sufficient.
I love these massage videos...my point is just that it isn't fair to just dismiss doctors as "those western medical pepple"
@1HelpingMany My point is, some things you *cannot* heal. Type 1 Diabetes--your pancreatic cells are destroyed and thus you can't make insulin. Nothing will "heal" this. Your only option to deal with it is exogenous insulin (i.e., a drug). Or, say high cholesterol. For some people, no matter how good they take care of themselves--eating right, getting enough exercise--they will continue to have high cholesterol because it is programmed in their genes.
I'll share with you one of the many stories I've come across from people.
There was one gentleman who was told by his doctor that he would have to take pills for the rest of his life because of his high cholesterol. The guy was in his late 30's to early 40's if I'm I remember correctly
They guy ended up doing an extreme cleanse with a fast for nearly a month. He said it was a difficult time getting through it, but when completed he returned to the doctor and his cholesterol was OK
@1HelpingMany Also, while I don't argue that "western medicine" can sometimes focus on treating symptoms rather than disease, most health care professionals are trained to find the underlying cause before just prescribing and dispensing a medication. Have high blood pressure? Most doctors will assess your diet (salt intake), exercise, weight etc before saying "Oh, your blood pressure is high, take this medication and don't do anything else."
Now the doctor wasn't to happy about this, but this is one of many stories that has been shared to me. Alot of times all the body needs is reboot itself.
Most illnesses thrive in acidic enviroments and when people learn this they can start to take control of their health again
The medications given make the body ver acidic
I'm not saying every doctor is out there trying to make a quick buck. There are some really good doctors out in the world, but the majority don't know this info
@1HelpingMany That is interesting....since fasting will actually cause your body to break down fat, leading to INCREASED cholesterol. Further, I'd be curious to know how his cholesterol was 2 months after this fast? 6? Even if had been lowered by these detox, who is to say it would stay lowered?
Also, we had a whole class on drug chemistry--how they affect the pH and what not, so there is definitely awareness of "acidifying" drugs
@1HelpingMany Also, what diseases "thrive in acidic environment?" All that acid in our stomach? Yes, it serves to aid digestion, but it is also a defense mechanism our body has to KILL the pathogens that infect us
“There is a huge difference with the natural acid in ones body and the body taking on extra from an unhealty diet. BIG DIFFERENCE.” – And what is that difference? An acidic environment is an acidic environment.
You should be aware that the stomach has Gastric acid in the lining. This doesn't run through your whole body. If it did it would be very harmful. This happens to be a natural acid because the stomach makes it for you.
Consuming products like sodas, chips, candies.. different items with a high acidity level will elevate your body acid level.
Kind of the reason why when a person drinks a soda they teeth feel grimy.
@1HelpingMany Yes, I am aware that we don’t want gastric acid seeping into the rest of our body, and I am aware that the cells lining our stomach make it; our bodies are pretty cool like that. Our bodies are also cool because they have ways of keeping our blood around a pH of 7.4; drinking one soda or taking 2 ibuprofens isn’t going to make the body so acidic that a person is going to contract a virus (though I certainly have no argument about the grimy feel of ones’ teeth post soda ingestion).
Actually women are more acidic than men are so one soda could take their bodies out of balance being they need more veggies and fruits to put them into an alkaline state.
You also have to understand that pretty much everything people buy in stores have some type of acid in it.
That's why I read ingredients when buying my food. Just think people consume multiple meals with different items of acidic foods. The body will be out of whack.
@1HelpingMany My point is that our bodies are capable of dealing with temporary pH changes due to things like food ingestion...our kidneys play a role in increasing or eliminating bicarb (base), and our lungs help us intake more or less carbon dioxide (and acid), and these are constantly working to help us keep our blood pH where it needs to be.
@1HelpingMany “Also know there is a good cholesterol which your body makes and bad cholesterol which comes from certain foods.” – Yes, I am well aware of this fact (though since I am interested in “western” medicine and not “eastern,” I’m sure this is suprising as apparentely we don’t learn anything but garbage, according to you).
@1HelpingMany And guess what? OUR BODIES MAKE BOTH GOOD AND BAD CHOLESTEROL. That’s right; bad cholesterol is not solely from the diet. Some people’s own bodies make more “bad” cholesterol than they need to. Further, when fasting, it is true you are not ingesting bad cholesterol—but when I said cholesterol increases due to the fat breakdown that occurs secondary to fasting, I was referring to the LDL (bad) cholesterol.
@1HelpingMany I agree not all fat is bad; I am not “confusing the two.” I think you are confused about what I was saying. Fasting causes the body to breakdown fat for energy since it is not getting energy from food sources; this fat gets broken down into a number of substances…including LDL....
@1HelpingMany It is the overall adipose tissue I was saying gets broken down, not the LDL. Cholesterol is not an energy source (though it is certainly important as it makes up cell membranes and is the precursor to multiple hormones), so the body isn’t going to be breaking down LDL (or HDL) to provide you with more energy.
Respond to this video...“America is not leading in health last time I checked.” – I concur. But that does NOT mean doctors should be dismissed as those “western medicine people.” You dismiss years of education as just “learning to do surgeries and write prescriptions”; you say the scientific journals looked at by western practioners are lies and then throw out conspiracy theories that have no basis; in a word, you are totally disrespectful of those whose job it is to help others.
Respond to this video... Is prevention better than treatment of active disease? Absolutely. But some diseases CANNOT BE PREVENTED no matter how much you want to claim they can, and no matter how much you tell people to change their lives to prevent disease, people will do what they want, and so some of them will get various diseases from those choices, and those diseases will need to be treated.
Respond to this video... And personally, rather than lecturing them about how they should have fasted and gotten more massages, I’d like to do what I can now to help them get better. I realize you think drugs only hurt, not help, but based on scientific data, I disagree.
There were media outlets in the 1950's. Its just there were not as much GMO foods being eaten as there are today.
This is why they put Food and Drug together and call it the "FDA". Food is the cause of most of the health issue in the Western life and the pharmaceutical industry is taking advantage of this.
People today main hobby is to go out and eat. When you have foods with little to no nutritional value and a high stress work enviroment. It will lead to many health issues.
@1HelpingMany For a start 'before the 1950's you hardly heard of the diseases' could be due to lack of media/public attention!
And more diseases could be caused there could be many factors, e.g. change in diet, increase in stress possibly. I think you can't rule out western medicine helping to solve them.
@autiger509 Have a bacterial infection? Well, antibiotics pretty much kill the bacteria--getting rid of the cause, and "healing" a person. And infections are inevitable if you are around other humans; even if you take care of yourself, you can still get exposed.
I'm sorry, but while I believe eastern medicine has its benefits, it will not cure diabetes, reduce your cholesterol, destroy bacteria, etc.
@autiger509 They go to school and learn one way to do things. IF they have all this scientific evidence why are people in this society so sick? If they are about health why aren't they focusing on nutrition rather than drugs? Good doctors get in trouble with medical boards for suggesting other things for patients to do than what they are permitted to do. When profit is part of health the people will never see health. It isn't the individual, it is the system, which is a business first.
@autiger509 Yeah but Athena is always cautious and she does know when she reaches her limit of treatment. Should she be criticised for being the only alternative therapist who gives a damn about her patients and advises them to see a doctor if she is unsure?
Too bad I can't find a good massage therapist like you Athena. Everyone always wants to drive the rigid parts of their arms into mine. I really dig your motto of having the recipient's body "invite" you in. All about patience... Now I just have to find a patient therapist. Keep up the masterful work! :)
Athena I don't care if that is a man or woman on the table but whomever it is I would take their place in a heart beat! Love your knowledge and skills! 5 stars.
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LordoftheKaty 1 week ago
Thank you, Athena, for discouraging the use of elbows in trying to relieve back pain. As a long time sufferer of sciatica, I've found that my back and hips don't respond favorably to their use on me.
zubenel444 1 week ago
It would seem (although I could be wrong ofcourse) that a cranio sacral emphasis could complement the re-balancing that occurs in upper cervical care after corrections of the c1. I can feel that they're all related and my progress has been slowed because of my bent tailbone and twisted mis aligned sacrum and lowered pelvic floor muscles etc.
wbfree 1 week ago
Did she said Gattaca Pain Relief Treatment.;-)
inthelandofnumbnuts 2 weeks ago
She needs some new drawers
dj13willi 3 weeks ago
Athena is obviously a fine MT but I wish she'd stop spouting New Age hostility to what she calls ''western medicine.'' That's nonsense. Millions of people just in America who eat wisely and exercise still suffer from diseases annually and require conventional medical attention.
hfelton 1 month ago 2
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just2jiG 1 month ago
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kayser911 1 month ago
Wow. I have suffered from sciatica pain for so many years, and the clarity of your explanation is so enlightening. Thank you for this video.
mom917 2 months ago
Absolute hogwash
RowsOfHouses 2 months ago
If Massage Therapists had not priced themselves out of the range of us middle-class chronic pain sufferers I would have this done 3 times a week.
I would volunteer as a training dummy for any Massage school I could reach...even a bad massage would be great.
I learned how to do it way back years ago, and it kept me knee deep in women, but I can't find anyone who knows how to do it for me.
Where I live even a basic Lumbar Massage costs $75.00 a pop.
Lower your prices...please.
hammerogod 2 months ago
western, you mean big pharma
edarotag84 2 months ago
Great video... but I must disagree with you when you say the sphenoid bone becomes rotated to counteract the displacement of the sacral spine region. The sutures between the bones of the skull and the pressure created by the joints betweens said bones will not allow for the bone to simply rotate out of place. Please look at this from a true anatomically correct perspective.
121JAB121 2 months ago 3
Do you teach classes? Or recommend classes to take?
sszaaron 2 months ago in playlist Massage Therapy Playlist
@sszaaron Massage Therapy is a College course... it's 3 years long. Plus you need to get your license. Unless you want to do it illegally or depending where you live.
XxquickpenxX 1 month ago
@XxquickpenxX I've never heard of a MT course being 3 years long! LOL Usually they are 7-9 months just for the MT part, and a total of 18 if someone goes for their AA degree in MT.
xflaxen1 1 month ago
@xflaxen1 Like I said it depends where you live. In Canada (Ontario, B-C and Nova-Scotia) you need a license to practice Massage Therapy, after your done you have to pay 1000$ to get licensed by The Ordre Of Massage Therapists. Once your licensed you become an RMT (Registered Massage Therapist, where you can work in hospitals, old age homes... etc.) Like I said depends where you live. If your in the US Massage Therapy isn't reglemented by the healthcare system.
XxquickpenxX 1 month ago
@XxquickpenxX Wow! $1000?? Are MT paid good there?
xflaxen1 1 month ago
@xflaxen1 RMT's are paid 80$ for an hour, 120$ for an hour and a half. We can work with Sports teams PGA, NHL... etc. So really it depends where you work and how good you are. But your typical salary is 80$ a massage for an hour.
XxquickpenxX 1 month ago
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makeupcraze21 2 months ago
I have been having adjustment on my lower back for good 7 years and have never had this done. Would like to try this. Where is this at? Ii need some good good person o fix my back.
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lionnew 3 months ago 21
@lionnew but this is better
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@lionnew Don't worry I just found a site with your mum stripping and rubbing so you're right I will ;)
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jedirifleman 1 month ago
very GOOD video, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANDREASRIAL 3 months ago
This video is popular with:
Male 45-54
Male 35-44
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Goatoftheforest 3 months ago
@Goatoftheforest hey >:O i am not that old >:O !!!
msms47 3 months ago
@Goatoftheforest Yes, the demographic with the highest instance of sciatica.
nocalsteve 3 months ago
@nocalsteve also the demographic with the most dirty old men
Goatoftheforest 3 months ago
@Goatoftheforest Well, that's a rather obtuse stereotypical statement! Is there any other demographic that could possibly have dirty old men in it?
On the other hand, you seem to be claiming that Athena and Corina are two lesbian porn stars since any man watching this is, by default, a pervert!
nocalsteve 3 months ago
tighted thingsd up shes looking better great job model
silverton7777 4 months ago
If western medicine were doing its job would we have huge hospitals to house all the sick people. "Treatment" deaths would not be so high. Mecical boards would applaud new cancer treatments that are not radiation or chemo. Food would be clean as would the water. There are times for drugs however NOT the way they are used today. Western models need to move away from being a business and people should be responsible for their own health options and have the information readily available.
athenaraven1 4 months ago 2
@athenaraven1 I agree people should be responsible for their own health...but no matter how much this is emphasized, there will be some people who do NOT take responsibility for their own health--they will continue to eat poorly, and not exercise, etc, and they will get diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc. What then? Of course they should should be counseled on improving their diet and exercising more, but for some people, that won't be enough...what then?
autiger509 4 months ago 5
@autiger509 Should medications be the "go-to" solution? Definitely not. Lifestyle changes should ALWAYS be emphasized...but medications have a role;t they are not evil.
And maybe they don't do this in Austin (though I highly doubt it) but where I live, multiple hospitals, clinics, pharmacies, etc DO make efforts to educate the community on how to handle AND how to prevent diseases.
autiger509 4 months ago
@autiger509 Medications are sometimes necessary, however it is not necessary to use medications for most conditions. Remember, when you take a chemical medicine there are side effects (have you read the labels?) Information should be easily and honestly available for both the chemical route and the natural route. This is a choice for each man/woman to make without the mandates of government or the greed of an industry who is upset by effective and safe competition.
athenaraven1 3 months ago
@autiger509 People are responsible for their own health. If they want to trash their body, it is their choice. Look at all the mandates set into law and the forcing the medical industry does on people who choose a different way. I think the government should get out of the health industry, they have allowed many horrific things to take place, which is why everyone is benefited by doing homework. If you do your research you will find most of the medical 'solutions' only make people more sick.
athenaraven1 3 months ago
@athenaraven1 Do we say, "Oh, sorry, you should have made better lifestyle choices! This is your own fault, so I am not going to help you!" Of course we don't!
I don't argue that there are benefits to eastern medicine, but I really resent being told western medicine is all about "business" and not about helping/healing. I am in pharmacy school because I want to HELP people...sometimes that means giving them medications.
autiger509 4 months ago
The way she said "only treatable by western medical people" - blimey... why not sacrifice some goats and run in some ground-up tiger bones? Nice massage but the factually incorrect politics, medical and anatomical statements are nothing but quackery and voodoo.
lardrat 4 months ago 2
@lardrat Your opinion and an uneducated one at that.
athenaraven1 3 months ago
@athenaraven1 I don't know what to say to that. Perhaps if I moved my skull bones around and massaged my liver I'd gain an education to promote scientific opinion to scientific fact.
lardrat 3 months ago
i love corinna when she makes this videos
bernyqueen 4 months ago
she's holding the sacrum upside down
yoninizan 4 months ago
more of a rub than a massage
tulllguy 4 months ago
all those "western medical people" are DOCTORS...but oh wait, that's just a label...doesn't mean they went to school for years, had lots of training, have scientific evidence for what they practice, etc...
autiger509 4 months ago 12
@autiger509
Doctors go to school to learn surgery and how to write prescriptions.
They don't know much about nutrition or how to naturally heal the body, so it doesn't matter how many years one goes to school if they are learning the same curriculum each year.
And each year new scientific evidence comes out to debunk the previous find.
People need to stop thinking doctors are gods and understand what their limits are.
1HelpingMany 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany Not sure you know much about how professional schools work...I'm in pharmacy school, and we are constantly reviewing new data/studies that have come out and talking about how it impacts current practice. Also, while we are obviously learning a lot about drugs, we also talk a decent amount about lifestyle changes people can make so they won't need to take medication. Yes, this is pharmacy school, not medical school, but I'd imagine it'd be similar.
autiger509 4 months ago
@autiger509
Well you kind of proved one of my points by what you commented.
"we are constantly reviewing new data/studies"
Each year doctors tell people new studies are facts and next year something comes out to debunk the previous findings.
At one time I worked for a natural health and nutrition company. It was shocking how many doctors walked through our doors.
They refused to take the medication they gave their own patients.
1HelpingMany 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany “Well you kind of proved one of my points by what you commented ‘we are constantly reviewing new data/studies.’ Each year doctors tell people new studies are facts and next year something comes out to debunk the previous findings.” – Specific examples, please, of some studies have been “debunked”?
autiger509 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany Also, I did not mean that every year new studies come out about the exact same drugs and diseases…there are a bunch out there, so treatment recommendations don’t change every single year; my point was that us “western” people DO keep up with current resarch and don’t just teach the same old curriculum, like you indicated.
autiger509 4 months ago
@autiger509
I don't mean they go to school for 4 years to write prescriptions. I mean it is the drug companies who pay the bills and most doctors will not take the same drugs they give their own patients.
Doctors get upset when people don't want to vaccinate their children.
I know about the other fields out there of doctors, but I'm focused on the ones who push this Western medicine is good for humanity and nothing else is.
1HelpingMany 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany
You say “I know about the other fields out there of doctors, but I'm focused on the ones who push this Western medicine is good for humanity and nothing else is,” and that has been my point this whole time. Almost EVERY VIDEO Athena says something deragatory about western medicine and how eastern medicine is the future...
autiger509 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany
... that sure sounds to me like she is saying only eastern medicine is good for humanity and nothing else. That is why I am annoyed—I am in pharmacy school because I want to help people, so I really don’t appreciate being told how worthless my profession is when compared to giving massages.
autiger509 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany Don’t get me wrong, I looove massages; great way to relax/de-stress, help improve the musculoskeletal system, etc…but western medicine is important, and shouldn’t be dismissed as “hacking and sawing” (as Athena mentioned in a previous video).
autiger509 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany also, I believe everyone, including doctors, have limits...and I do NOT think they are gods. But I do think multiple years of school and residencies account for something.
autiger509 4 months ago
@autiger509
I'm not saying doctors know nothing. Like I stated before they go to school to study surgery and how to write prescriptions being its the drug companies who pay the bulk of their salaries.
There are people who have actually cured their type one diabetes, but you will never hear of them in the U.S. because the pharmaceutical companies will not allow this.
So you are working in a field that lives off people health issues. No health issues no growth for the industry.
1HelpingMany 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany
“I'm not saying doctors know nothing. Like I stated before they go to school to study surgery and how to write prescriptions”—Do you realize how many doctors are not surgeons? Pediatricians, general practioners, etc, deal with every day illnesses. Further, aside from knowing the abbreviations used in writing prescriptions, there isn’t much to learn. They aren’t in school 4 years just to “learn how to write prescriptions.”
autiger509 4 months ago
@autiger509
There are some great doctors out there so don't get me wrong about my comments. It just over the past 20years things have change in the drug industry so much.
Its more about profit than curing and the doctors are the pushers.
Like I said I know doctors who were well into a ripe age who took nothing but natural medicine. They refused to use pharma drugs.
You speak of scientific data. Who provides this data. The drug companies do. Do you even know how the FDA works with big pharma.
1HelpingMany 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany Actually, when I say “scientific data,” I am referring to clinical trials published in respected journals. Many of these are done through universities, hospitals, etc. Do drug companies sometimes fund these studies? Yes, but not always; often the institutions doing the research fund them. Further, while I don’t argue that drug companies want to make a buck, I don’t think this means that all the data out there is only what the drug companies want published
autiger509 4 months ago
@autiger509
And I don't mean all companies so please don't take me out of context.
I see your passion, but I don't believe you have learn the whole story of what is really going on here with these drug companies.
To much of anything is not always healthy for you.
The FDA just shut down a company in Oregon if I'm not mistaken because they were healing people naturally, but they couldn't make claims because it wasn't drugs being used
Its a dirty game being play and the drug companies make rules
1HelpingMany 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany "I don't believe you have learn the whole story of what is really going on here with these drug companies." Enlighten me, please...because you are right, I really have no idea what you believe is happening.
autiger509 4 months ago
@autiger509 Just do some research. Natural News has some good data, the laws they pass for mandates on vaccines and drugs is a big flag to this. I have watched the decline of people for many years due to the uses of western medicine and have seen those who are 'unable to be helped' by the medical professionals recover a great deal with natural work of various methods. You will be sickened beyond belief as you learn of the medical corruption and abuse which has been going on for years.
athenaraven1 3 months ago 2
@1HelpingMany For example, I saw an article published in July of this year entitled “Glucocorticoid-Induced Bone Disease” (by Weinsten, et. al.). Now, what about all those drug companies selling glucocorticoids? Do you think they want everyone knowing that glucocorticoids can increase osteoporosis? No! Yet the article exists…indicating that this scientific data I am referring to isn’t “just what drug companies want us to hear.”
autiger509 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany Now, this where you jump in and say “see! Drugs are bad! Look at all the side effects they cause!” Are drugs perfect? Absolutely not.They do have side effects…hmm, just like say, some natural products do? We should eat lots of fiber…but that can give us gas! We should get plenty of calcium to avoid osteoporosis, but too much calcium can often lead to kidney stones. Point being, drugs are not perfect, but sometimes they are necessary, and they do help people.
autiger509 4 months ago
Respond to this video... “There are people who have actually cured their type one diabetes, but you will never hear of them in the U.S. because the pharmaceutical companies will not allow this.” – Hooray for conspiracy theories. Where is your proof for this? You say the U.S. pharmaceutical companies have hidden this information, but if it is true, it would be out there somewhere.
autiger509 4 months ago
@autiger509
Again I'm not saying all doctors are monsters. I don't believe I ever wrote that, but something is going on in a country where more drugs are coming out at a rapid pace, but yet cancer is up, autism is up, strokes are up. There is a long list of health risk people are dealing with in a growing field.
The drug industry.
You never for once thought about why the gov put a agency together called Food and Drug Adm.
Has nothing to do with conspiracy theories. These are facts.
1HelpingMany 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany ...what are you talking about? Last time I checked, the FDA is involved with determing what drugs go on the market, so the drug companies can’t just put any old drug they come up with on the market without sufficient testing and research to indicate what it’s limitations are and that it will actually be helpful.
autiger509 4 months ago
@autiger509
You might want to do some deeper studies about the FDA because I know for a fact you are incorrect about your comment.
There are alot of drugs that do not go through proper testing and are rushed through due to financial gain. They are put on the market and taken off when people start dying from them.
Do you know how many FDA heads work for the gov after they left the FDA. Its a very long list.
So please don't tell me that just a coincidence.
1HelpingMany 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany What IS the role of the FDA, then, since you "know for a fact" that I am incorrect? And I am familiar with the drug application/review/testing process, and that some drugs have expedited reviews (though I argue that they are *all* for financial gain--some of them are expedited for conditions that need immediate attention, like AIDS).
autiger509 4 months ago
@autiger509
Well I do know for a fact that the FDA took certain natural products off the market because they were not considered drugs and nobody was paid off
There are many examples of this. You just have to search them out
I already told you about one, but the biggest one that I know of is a product that was known to cure caner with out chemo
They took the product off the market in the 1970's and made it illegal to say it works in curing cancer
This is well documented. People just don't know
1HelpingMany 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany "Do you know how many FDA heads work for the gov after they left the FDA. Its a very long list.
So please don't tell me that just a coincidence." I'm not sure what the significance of this is?
autiger509 4 months ago
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autiger509 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany Finally, there are some diseases that will NOT be healed "naturally." Type One diabetes? Sorry, a massage isn't going to make it go away, and diet helps, but is not sufficient.
I love these massage videos...my point is just that it isn't fair to just dismiss doctors as "those western medical pepple"
autiger509 4 months ago
@autiger509
You heart might be in the right place, but Western medicine and Eastern are totally different.
Eastern medicine is about helping one heal what ales them. Western medicine is about helping the person live with what ales them.
Even with all the new drugs and years of medical schooling American has the largest population taking drugs.
When before the 1950's you hardly heard of some of the diseases that are killing people today.
1HelpingMany 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany My point is, some things you *cannot* heal. Type 1 Diabetes--your pancreatic cells are destroyed and thus you can't make insulin. Nothing will "heal" this. Your only option to deal with it is exogenous insulin (i.e., a drug). Or, say high cholesterol. For some people, no matter how good they take care of themselves--eating right, getting enough exercise--they will continue to have high cholesterol because it is programmed in their genes.
autiger509 4 months ago
@autiger509
I'll share with you one of the many stories I've come across from people.
There was one gentleman who was told by his doctor that he would have to take pills for the rest of his life because of his high cholesterol. The guy was in his late 30's to early 40's if I'm I remember correctly
They guy ended up doing an extreme cleanse with a fast for nearly a month. He said it was a difficult time getting through it, but when completed he returned to the doctor and his cholesterol was OK
1HelpingMany 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany Also, while I don't argue that "western medicine" can sometimes focus on treating symptoms rather than disease, most health care professionals are trained to find the underlying cause before just prescribing and dispensing a medication. Have high blood pressure? Most doctors will assess your diet (salt intake), exercise, weight etc before saying "Oh, your blood pressure is high, take this medication and don't do anything else."
autiger509 4 months ago
@autiger509
Now the doctor wasn't to happy about this, but this is one of many stories that has been shared to me. Alot of times all the body needs is reboot itself.
Most illnesses thrive in acidic enviroments and when people learn this they can start to take control of their health again
The medications given make the body ver acidic
I'm not saying every doctor is out there trying to make a quick buck. There are some really good doctors out in the world, but the majority don't know this info
1HelpingMany 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany That is interesting....since fasting will actually cause your body to break down fat, leading to INCREASED cholesterol. Further, I'd be curious to know how his cholesterol was 2 months after this fast? 6? Even if had been lowered by these detox, who is to say it would stay lowered?
Also, we had a whole class on drug chemistry--how they affect the pH and what not, so there is definitely awareness of "acidifying" drugs
autiger509 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany Also, what diseases "thrive in acidic environment?" All that acid in our stomach? Yes, it serves to aid digestion, but it is also a defense mechanism our body has to KILL the pathogens that infect us
autiger509 4 months ago
@autiger509
There is a huge difference with the natural acid in ones body and the body taking on extra from an unhealty diet.
BIG DIFFERENCE.
Also know there is a good cholesterol which your body makes and bad cholesterol which comes from certain foods.
When you fast you are not taking on the bad cholesterol.
I know many people who fast regularly, including myself and I see the difference between us and those who take pharma drugs.
America is not leading in health last time I checked.
1HelpingMany 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany
“There is a huge difference with the natural acid in ones body and the body taking on extra from an unhealty diet. BIG DIFFERENCE.” – And what is that difference? An acidic environment is an acidic environment.
autiger509 4 months ago
@autiger509
You should be aware that the stomach has Gastric acid in the lining. This doesn't run through your whole body. If it did it would be very harmful. This happens to be a natural acid because the stomach makes it for you.
Consuming products like sodas, chips, candies.. different items with a high acidity level will elevate your body acid level.
Kind of the reason why when a person drinks a soda they teeth feel grimy.
Viruses thrive in acid enviroments.
1HelpingMany 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany Yes, I am aware that we don’t want gastric acid seeping into the rest of our body, and I am aware that the cells lining our stomach make it; our bodies are pretty cool like that. Our bodies are also cool because they have ways of keeping our blood around a pH of 7.4; drinking one soda or taking 2 ibuprofens isn’t going to make the body so acidic that a person is going to contract a virus (though I certainly have no argument about the grimy feel of ones’ teeth post soda ingestion).
autiger509 4 months ago
@autiger509
Actually women are more acidic than men are so one soda could take their bodies out of balance being they need more veggies and fruits to put them into an alkaline state.
You also have to understand that pretty much everything people buy in stores have some type of acid in it.
That's why I read ingredients when buying my food. Just think people consume multiple meals with different items of acidic foods. The body will be out of whack.
What year are you in school?
1HelpingMany 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany My point is that our bodies are capable of dealing with temporary pH changes due to things like food ingestion...our kidneys play a role in increasing or eliminating bicarb (base), and our lungs help us intake more or less carbon dioxide (and acid), and these are constantly working to help us keep our blood pH where it needs to be.
Year 3 (it is a 4 year program)
autiger509 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany “Also know there is a good cholesterol which your body makes and bad cholesterol which comes from certain foods.” – Yes, I am well aware of this fact (though since I am interested in “western” medicine and not “eastern,” I’m sure this is suprising as apparentely we don’t learn anything but garbage, according to you).
autiger509 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany And guess what? OUR BODIES MAKE BOTH GOOD AND BAD CHOLESTEROL. That’s right; bad cholesterol is not solely from the diet. Some people’s own bodies make more “bad” cholesterol than they need to. Further, when fasting, it is true you are not ingesting bad cholesterol—but when I said cholesterol increases due to the fat breakdown that occurs secondary to fasting, I was referring to the LDL (bad) cholesterol.
autiger509 4 months ago
@autiger509
All fat is not bad. Just because some one has fat in their body doesn't mean its linked to LDL.
There are good fats found in nuts and what not and there are bad fats found in fast food.
I think you are confusing the two.
Your logic doesn't really fit because I know that Americans have much higher cholesterol levels than non Americans who fast on a consistent basis.
Even if the body broke down these bad cholesterols that's kind of the whole point of fasting. Breaking things down.
1HelpingMany 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany I agree not all fat is bad; I am not “confusing the two.” I think you are confused about what I was saying. Fasting causes the body to breakdown fat for energy since it is not getting energy from food sources; this fat gets broken down into a number of substances…including LDL....
autiger509 4 months ago
@1HelpingMany It is the overall adipose tissue I was saying gets broken down, not the LDL. Cholesterol is not an energy source (though it is certainly important as it makes up cell membranes and is the precursor to multiple hormones), so the body isn’t going to be breaking down LDL (or HDL) to provide you with more energy.
autiger509 4 months ago
Respond to this video...“America is not leading in health last time I checked.” – I concur. But that does NOT mean doctors should be dismissed as those “western medicine people.” You dismiss years of education as just “learning to do surgeries and write prescriptions”; you say the scientific journals looked at by western practioners are lies and then throw out conspiracy theories that have no basis; in a word, you are totally disrespectful of those whose job it is to help others.
autiger509 4 months ago
Respond to this video... Is prevention better than treatment of active disease? Absolutely. But some diseases CANNOT BE PREVENTED no matter how much you want to claim they can, and no matter how much you tell people to change their lives to prevent disease, people will do what they want, and so some of them will get various diseases from those choices, and those diseases will need to be treated.
autiger509 4 months ago
Respond to this video... And personally, rather than lecturing them about how they should have fasted and gotten more massages, I’d like to do what I can now to help them get better. I realize you think drugs only hurt, not help, but based on scientific data, I disagree.
autiger509 4 months ago
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ilow20 4 months ago
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ilow20 4 months ago
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There were media outlets in the 1950's. Its just there were not as much GMO foods being eaten as there are today.
This is why they put Food and Drug together and call it the "FDA". Food is the cause of most of the health issue in the Western life and the pharmaceutical industry is taking advantage of this.
People today main hobby is to go out and eat. When you have foods with little to no nutritional value and a high stress work enviroment. It will lead to many health issues.
1HelpingMany 4 months ago
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ilow20 4 months ago
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@1HelpingMany For a start 'before the 1950's you hardly heard of the diseases' could be due to lack of media/public attention!
And more diseases could be caused there could be many factors, e.g. change in diet, increase in stress possibly. I think you can't rule out western medicine helping to solve them.
ilow20 4 months ago
@autiger509 Have a bacterial infection? Well, antibiotics pretty much kill the bacteria--getting rid of the cause, and "healing" a person. And infections are inevitable if you are around other humans; even if you take care of yourself, you can still get exposed.
I'm sorry, but while I believe eastern medicine has its benefits, it will not cure diabetes, reduce your cholesterol, destroy bacteria, etc.
autiger509 4 months ago
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ilow20 4 months ago
@autiger509 They go to school and learn one way to do things. IF they have all this scientific evidence why are people in this society so sick? If they are about health why aren't they focusing on nutrition rather than drugs? Good doctors get in trouble with medical boards for suggesting other things for patients to do than what they are permitted to do. When profit is part of health the people will never see health. It isn't the individual, it is the system, which is a business first.
athenaraven1 3 months ago
@autiger509 Yeah but Athena is always cautious and she does know when she reaches her limit of treatment. Should she be criticised for being the only alternative therapist who gives a damn about her patients and advises them to see a doctor if she is unsure?
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jrdudedj 4 months ago
i really like where this channel is going
zazenzach 4 months ago
mmmm look at that body, what a Jewish goddess she is.
IntellectualsNY 4 months ago
wow i'm next
deweyman44 4 months ago
she has very calming voice
CeroMetralleta 4 months ago
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CeroMetralleta 4 months ago
nice butt
yhcnoR 4 months ago
@yhcnoR what butt?
OmegaExile 4 months ago
Corinna got a perfect body :o
toastm4n 4 months ago
psychetruth and jezik know how to make a great massage video!
christy05h 4 months ago
Excellent model, wonderful massage therapist and highly relaxing demonstration. Can't get enough of these videos!
bradm1986 4 months ago 10
forget the massage... how do i get beautiful skin like that?!?!?!
samuelq1 4 months ago 4
mmmmm mmmmm i want a piece of that
DemonicSymphonic 4 months ago
Too bad I can't find a good massage therapist like you Athena. Everyone always wants to drive the rigid parts of their arms into mine. I really dig your motto of having the recipient's body "invite" you in. All about patience... Now I just have to find a patient therapist. Keep up the masterful work! :)
acusterx 4 months ago
Oo I miss the music :) I love the music w/ her voice. great video either way :)
TittyMongrel 4 months ago
too much 13 years old kids watching these videos, if you got nothing to contribute , then don't post comments
orionpk 4 months ago 5
@orionpk nice, your comment was something that totally contributed alot
149chris 4 months ago
@sixfouimpala the best one
udical 4 months ago
The Lady on the table is Corinna. She is the same one at the very end of the video at 13:53
capman911 4 months ago 23
@capman911 so what?
deviatea 4 months ago
@capman911 ....reminds me of a country song "Corrine Corrina, why do you look so fine?"
007HubbaBubba 4 months ago
@capman911 Ohhhh. She's the one with the health food tips
eviltube1111 4 months ago
Athena I don't care if that is a man or woman on the table but whomever it is I would take their place in a heart beat! Love your knowledge and skills! 5 stars.
billeybop 4 months ago
@billeybop i sure hope thats not a man on the table.
bambarby 4 months ago
@bambarby Well if I had to lay on them I too wish as you! hahaha
billeybop 4 months ago
Outstanding! Benn waiting for more Athena. Thank you very much.
Geodefender 4 months ago
I've got a fever, and the only prescription, is more Jezik!
Whisperingsofwar 4 months ago 33
is that a guy or a girl?
ProfoundVirgin 4 months ago
@ProfoundVirgin If that is a guy then he sure does have some badass side boobs !
ast3rix84 4 months ago
@ProfoundVirgin A girl, she also does videos on this channel on health.
Apezy321 4 months ago
@ProfoundVirgin Really.......?
Lexandreax 4 months ago
@ProfoundVirgin can you not see the side boob?
fetymann 4 months ago
@fetymann
My side boob is bigger than that
ProfoundVirgin 4 months ago
@ProfoundVirgin It's the same girl who talks about Psychetruth at the end of this (and other) videos.
CrynOut 4 months ago
Underwear :O
ZachBora 4 months ago
Yaaaaaaaay athena your back! :D
Apezy321 4 months ago
i love these ladies
monkeysdemons 4 months ago 2
Thanx a lot,!!
MrAmirr76 4 months ago
?? 2nd
indianajoneanaheim2 4 months ago
first
Xyzzulee 4 months ago