Nice use of quotation fingers newscaster. But even worse response by Tommy Davis. I think thats its funny that something someone believes in finds it offensive that someone would ask them about their doctrines. Shit, my most Christian believing friends would LOVE to rap about Christ over and over again all night. Perhaps Nathan Baca should have handed him 100 bucks for each answer to his question. He may have been more forthcoming.
@finklemiester He can't be more forthcoming. He said the teachings were 'confidential'. It's a secret. He gets all offended when pressed on his 'beliefs'. Thats because scientology is not a religion. It's a CULT.
The only reason for that interview - was to get a reaction from Scientology man.
People new don't care about truth, they don't care about you and me.... they care to keep you watching them and their ads, they care about money only. So it is really doesn't matter if it's Scientology or any other cult / religion .... don't fall - be smart.
Dangerous to leave God and create your own religion/God. Makes you sound completely off! Mans mind is so dangerously off when they try to leave the wisdom of God(THE ONLY WISE AND TRUE GOD), who of course, gives freedom of choice, offers love in abundant supply, and harm instead of evil. The worship of mans mind is foolishness.
No it's not. It's a fucking inquiry from a person who is truly interested as to what it's about. You can ask any other person about their religion, what they believe and why, you're not going to get stonewalled and accused of persecution. FAIL Tommy DAVIS. EPIC FAIL! Play him off, Keyboard Cat!
"...what you're doing now right now is an intent to ridicule religious beliefs, that's really what we're talking about.."
No no no TD, the interviewer was doing an ~excellent~ job of keeping a straight face. Trouble is the beliefs sound so straight out of a science fiction novel it's ridiculous by default. Scientology is using its weaknesses against the interviewer! is that a coup de l'automutilation?
So from what Tommy said asking anyone about their religion is an offense on the highest level. But I can go and ask any other religious person and they will take time and explain anything about their religion to me. I know I have done it and it was very enlightening.
And why is the first thing any scilon does is attack the person asking or being critical about their belief. What a way to believe.
Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion. Everyone has the right to say what they want and believe what they want to believe. You may not have to pay to achieve a higher standing in your church but i'm sure you tithe. Every christian i've ever know does so. ALL religions are ridiculous, scientology just happens to be in a class of it's own. That being said, it has some awesome stories, much better than anything in the Abrahamic faiths IMO.
So hang on a second! Rather than addressing the Xenu story. A story which negates Dianetics and everything written in it. Instead youd rather attack Nathan with some crazy ass conspiracy shit! Tell you what, wheres the proof? And dont point me to rhetoric(word clear it
)
Fack is theres printed proof everywhere, confessions from ex-scilons and freezoners. And now even Tommy admiting to it.
So why do scilons have to do the whole Dianetics con when they should be getting rid of body thetans,
and not engrams? Look it up, its all true. Even admitted by Tommy here.
The $cientology excuse for doing everything before ridding your body from Body Thetans(dead space aliens) Is that if youre not prepared youll get pneumonia and die. hubbard said that the material in OTIII was so powerful his arm and ribs broke upon discovering it. However anyone is able to read and practice it without harm. Now doesnt that seem important to you?
Engrams are the cause of your woes its space aliens!
I can fully answer why theres the "bridge" and i can tell you why no one is allowed to find out about the space aliens til later. Ask me why theres loads of reasons. None of which you can argue with. If you can that means $camology is right and you win. But if you cant fight and stick up for it it means you lose and i dont just mean lose this discussion. Thats if you dare to entre it!
That's the difference between religion and scientology. Religions can tell you exactly what their core beliefs are. Scientology is offended by people wanting to know what its core beliefs are.
I've spent time trying to figure out what in the world Scientology is. There's really no information for what they believe in. Talk about a secret religion, how are you supposed to recruit??
its secret unless you pay big money,they say give us your money so we can cleanse you body and when u pay enough u will be able to know the "truth"the truth is that hubbard was a sci-fi writer who thought that if there was a jedi church why not a church for him to make money,so he build up a stupid story about alien soul release and vaccumed into cinemas,with images of our religions,and then release among humans and thats is why we are sad angry and depressed,so stupid,only cunt would believe it
Scientologists are batshit crazy, no doubt....but you can just as easily cite passages from the Bible, Torah, Koran, etc and say to Christians, Jews, or Muslims "you believe this inane bullshit?!" Just sayin.
Ofcourse people are going to hate, scientologists dont give any information to media/community about their intent or subject matter. general public and media have a right to know about scientology; that it is not a threat to public safety, including, financially, psychologically or human rights. What church has body guards, hill survelliance and will not be transparent with their teachings? I dont think anyone has to respect this dickheads core belief or reflection on the wider community.
Davis says hes not interested in the real material even if its been stolen from Cof$ & is legitimate as Davis says hes going to believe whatever fantasy suits him. thats not Scientology as we know it. It was written as objective fact so it could never be subjectively believed like Christians choosing either old testament being eye for eye people or new testament quotes from nicer Christians or terrorists finding hate passages from Koran. thats why those religions can have subjective beliefs
However you Tommy Davis have just demeaned Hubbard's own tenants by ridiculing it with your interpretation. In KSW Hubbard told u that tenants get misconstrued by subjective belief from objective statements so no Tommy you've just admitted you want to believe whatever fantasy even when the truth is pushed under your nose so why should we now take anything you say seriously since you invalidate your own church with your zealous subjective delusions. Put out more Hubbard lectures on mainstream TV!
Poor Tommy Davis -- forced into spin control for the "church" of Scientology while his leader David Miscavige hides from the public and intimidates lowly Scn members behind the scenes.
2009 has started out bad for Scientology and is only going to get worse!
Nobody should be asked to defend their beliefs? Really? Same old tactic. We're a religion so you can't question us. Well then Tommy boy, why do you FORCE your congregations to PAY MONEY every step of the way? And we're talking LOTS OF MONEY.
I love how during this who series of reports, the male anchor is reduced to every single time ending by saying, "it's an interesting report" etc. You're frakken' right it's interesting! Somebody please write this guy a better line!
I love that answer to the interviewers question as to why am I not dead yet after reading OT3 Material. Tommys answer. "Ub I I I he he, here were going to the basic fundamental point that I'm trying to make. Okay. What your doing right now, and what it is that your saying to me, is an attempt to ridicule religious belief. Thats really what were talking about, and a your just trying to forward an agenda of hate"
Got a question about that booklet of 4chan memes....
Do they know 4chan is a pit of humor blacker than the void of space and is in fact - jokes?
Are they perhaps beleiving that they Anon are possessed by a short girl in a green dress with hetrochemical eyes who is worshipped by the name of "Desu" or that they are watched from above by a feline who answers to the name "Ceiling Cat"?.
Time to go to RPF prison camp for Tommy Davis. Why would a "church" need prison camps anyway?? They are "the most ethical people on the planet". Pathetic mind control CULT.
How so? Is it because most teach ethics? That's like saying the judicial system is a threat to freedom. With any religion, you should feel free to pick and choose what you feel in your heart is right.
People don't feel threatened(?) about religion because of their ethics. You don't have to be religious to pick and choose what is right or what you think is right. The judicial system IS a threat to freedom. But we try hard to only take away the freedom from the ones who hate other people (at least that's what we want). With politics and gigantic corporations that idea is slowly dying along with the planet. Because power corrupts. Even in Scientology.
Can you imagine a Catholic priest or a Moslem iman saying that quoting the Bible or the Koran is offensive and using that as an excuse to avoid answering a simple question?
If you think the church has nothing to hide check out the youtube vid-
proof scientologyis a cult - 3 (front groups)
A member of the church of scientology has bought the CAN (cult awareness network) site and phone number, so if people think they are talking to a sympathetic ear they could be unknowingly putting themselves and others in danger, including family members trying to get family members out
this guy cannot, has not, and refuses to answer a single question Nathan has asked. How can he say that the reporter is trying to put down Scientology by asking what L. Ron's own words are and what they mean? Does the Pope accuse people of putting down his religion when we ask about the Christian ways? This series of reports just made Scientology look more like a bigger joke than a religion.
I totally agree. Other religions, when asked about their beliefs, would happily jump at the occasion and would in no way feel 'offended'. It's funny that in another interview, which can be found on youtube, when asked about the human body being possesed by space aliens, Tommy Davis just laughed it off saying: "Does that sound ridiculous to you? It's unrecognizable to me". Now he's saying the total opposite.
SAD FAIL for Tommy Davis & $cn. HUGE WIN for Anon & the TRUTH!
Would ANY Jew, Christian or Muslim be offended by being asked about Moses parting the seas, Mary's virgin birth, Jesus turning water into wine or Mohamed given the Quran by an angel?
The pot calls the kettle black: $cn claims ALL religion -everything really- came from an electronic implant using imagery to instill in us FALSE BELIEFS. It invalidates EVERYONE's faith & ALL existence in one fell swoop, one LARGE GENERALITY.
This blanket statement is a SUPPRESSIVE CHARACTERISTIC & says weve ALL been brainwashed into a FALSE REALITY. What we know as true has in fact been implanted in us & we need to accept $cn & cleanse ourselves if we wish to see the light & become an ubermensch (OT).
Nothing is real but $cn. Thats why they want a blank slate; a Clear, who can then become OT. When acted upon, as $cn does, harassing those who dissent, criticize & protest, its dangerous & a breach of our precious freedom!
Does that mean that we should all consider Tommy Davis an SP? ;)
It is indeed a scary cult and I really thank KESQ and not least Nathan Baca for these reports on the $cilons. So much respect for risking their fairgame policy to you Nathan! *bows down in the dust*
There are 12 'characteristics' for an "anti-social" personality & 12 'traits' for a "social personality." You compare them side by side & if you have more of one, you're an SP.
When I got out one of the things I did was grab an Ethics book & compared them. L. Ron had most of the SP ones, if not ALL.
My conclusion: L Ron is an SP & $cn is a suppressive group. I left ;-)
I just love the fresh smell of body thetans in the morning.
It does not make sense by any standards I know of, other than the standards scientology creates. It would be like a Real Estate Agent trying to sell you a house and telling you to look at the house and buy it by what you see BUT do not look at 3 of the rooms and IF you do - you are committing a crime and I will have you arrested. Question is, would you buy that house?
It does not make sense by any standards I know of, other than the standards scientology creates. It would be like a Real Estate Agent trying to sell you a house and telling you to look at the house and buy it by what you see BUT do not look at 3 of the rooms and IF you do - you are committing a crime and I will have you arrested. Question is, would you buy that house?
The reporter is told the way to understand scientology is to read scientology materials and told it is a 'hate crime' to read some scientology materials. It is like saying, judge us based on evidence but you are committing a 'hate crime' against scientologists if you look at 'all the evidence'.
don't personally care about the space alien concept... all religions ask you to believe in something that may or may not be possible.. it's the RPF, fair game, and disconnection. Gosh Tommy Davis is a whiner. Heh, I'm stayin tuned!
you know.. I'm actually interesting is reading the material.. I own not all but a few books, but a lot of it is hard to understand and.. no offense I don't think I could ever ask a scientologist to explain it to me. I don't want them yelling at me like this guy =/
That's a common theme. If you ask someone if they really believe the allegedly sacred stuff, it's insulting to them, and they play the "we are offended" part. One should have none of this nonsensical reaction. People actually have a right to be offended, don't have have right to be not offended, and will have to endure that their firmly held beliefs are scrutinized by others.
Tommy did something similar back when confronted by John Sweeny. He had been following Sweeny around, so Sweeny confronted him to ask him why, and Tommy turned around and started yelling at him, saying something like "...You have insulted my religion and offended me..." "well guess what...NOW I'M ANGRY! VERY ANGRY!"
Then he turned into a super saiyan and threw fireballs at John.
Ohmigosh! He actually said that it's offensive to ask someone about their religious beliefs! LOL! No one from a real religion would say something like that.
"Scientology" edited by James R. Lewis, 2009, Oxford Univ Press, has a scholarly chapter on the "Xenu" myth. Scholars have finally broached the subject of the "no-longer-secret" scriptures. Look at WikiLeaks, read Hubbard's earlier edition writings, which are quite clear, and now in the public domain. The "OT 3 Course Pack" and the "Class 8 Course Pack" and the Class 8 lectures transcripts, tell the truth about "body thetans" and Xenu. Hubbard says "Xenu" in Class 8 Lecture titles "Assists."
The Hubbard lectures and words, from WikiLeaks, read the OT 3 pack. Read the Class 8 scriptures, about ridding body thetans. Lots of ex high level Scientologists will confirm these WikiLeaks actual Hubbard scriptures as true. Scientology/Hubbard version of the "body thetan" ridding procedures. Baca is doing a public service. The public should know that "body thetan" removal IS Scientology/Hubbard practice.
Good job by this reporter. "Kill switch" point is good.
That is an AWESOME interview- I just love it when Tommy (hate crime) Davis cannot deal with the total lack of logic in his beliefs about OT3 and slips into accusing the reporter of "hate crime"!
Guess what Tommy, by your amazing logic- everyone (apart from the ever dwindling number of $cientologists) is now a hate criminal!
Woman's expression at 4:40 is truly classic.. keeps a straight face but turns to her co-anchor as if thinking "What the fuck??" ... GREAT JOB, NATHAN!!
2:02 "For you, someone who is not a Scientologist, to talk to me about what my beliefs are...."
Yes us inferior non-scientologists... far be it for us to ask questions about something that sounds a bit crazy.
Does Davis try to put it into a context so we can at least go "okay you believe that, fine whatever" instead they dedicate so much time to defensively reacting, steering off topic or flat out lying about it people just think "what a crock of BS!"
Thank you Nathan, for the great job. Tommy Davis is so ridiculous. He is just asked questions (well, it's an interview), he lies (like always) and caught lying she claims to be attacked and a victim. No religion reacts like that when asked about their belief. Only crappy $cientology does.
The reason why they got the tax exemption in the first place, let's go back...
April 19, 1993: Davidian compound in Waco, Texas burns to the ground with parishoners inside. The incident draws public scrutiny upon the American federal government.
October 1, 1993 (6 months later) after a campaign of cohersion and blackmail by Scientology they are finally given a tax exempt agreement greater then any other religious denomination within the U.S.
2:08 Explaining your 'religious' core beliefs is offensive.... WTF?
Tommy I believe Jesus of Nazereth was the Christ; the one true son of god (I don't have any problems disscussing or explaining why, nor does any religious devotee - as a religion is a mainstream faith that is non-sectarian in nature).
Getting defensive about the beliefs (like Davis and the majority of Scientologists do) shows that either (a) they think its bullshit (b) they operate within a sect mentality.
fucking dumbass. How is it offensive to ask someone to explain the core of their beliefs? That's what one need to fkn know to make a choise. God damn.
Oh dear Tommy, you got you got your pretty little ass owned.
"to talk to me about what my beliefs are or to ask me to explain any core religious belief, that's an offensive concept"
What planet are you from Tommy?! Go into any church of just about any legitimate religion and ask them to explain the concepts behind their faith/religion's core beliefs, and you'll have trouble trying to stop them talking about it!
To Nathan and the entire team...Awesome job. I am so thankful someone FINALLY had the balls to expose this cult for abusive sham it really is. Thank you! Now maybe law enforcement agencies will finally open their eyes.
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deeponeslive 1 week ago
He never answers anything.
GameFreakDude 9 months ago
the reaction by the female anchor was priceless when he said everything was implants
mrjw1221 1 year ago
Man - this one of the concise reviews of Co$...well done...well done.
hooptastic1 1 year ago
Nice use of quotation fingers newscaster. But even worse response by Tommy Davis. I think thats its funny that something someone believes in finds it offensive that someone would ask them about their doctrines. Shit, my most Christian believing friends would LOVE to rap about Christ over and over again all night. Perhaps Nathan Baca should have handed him 100 bucks for each answer to his question. He may have been more forthcoming.
finklemiester 1 year ago 2
@finklemiester He can't be more forthcoming. He said the teachings were 'confidential'. It's a secret. He gets all offended when pressed on his 'beliefs'. Thats because scientology is not a religion. It's a CULT.
stayjit1 1 year ago 3
The most surreal and amazing local news report I've ever seen. I love the anchor's reactions at the end of each piece.
poxod 1 year ago
Notice how he does not answer one single question but instead attacks the reporter by pretending to be a victim. Quite ingenius actually.
BlueBellyfluff 1 year ago
The only reason for that interview - was to get a reaction from Scientology man.
People new don't care about truth, they don't care about you and me.... they care to keep you watching them and their ads, they care about money only. So it is really doesn't matter if it's Scientology or any other cult / religion .... don't fall - be smart.
dayver1 1 year ago
Dangerous to leave God and create your own religion/God. Makes you sound completely off! Mans mind is so dangerously off when they try to leave the wisdom of God(THE ONLY WISE AND TRUE GOD), who of course, gives freedom of choice, offers love in abundant supply, and harm instead of evil. The worship of mans mind is foolishness.
desirem1 1 year ago
@desirem1 fucking too right,nobody CAN DENY THE TRUTH OF THE FLYING SPAGETTI MONSTER
Rockster969 1 year ago
I have to LOL at Tommy completely avoiding the logical questions. It's because he has no answers that could make any logical sense whatsoever, haha.
charinahurry 1 year ago
Nathan is deadly in a good way. Good pilot!!!
carlabellis 1 year ago 2
Thank you ABC news :)
drewd1987 2 years ago 2
2.00 for you toask me about my religon is offensive????
Falsecults 2 years ago
3.45 Why am I not dead yet? LoL
Winobie75 2 years ago 4
I like the way tommy overreacts XD. He reads a part and tommy goes "Its offensive for you to ask me to explain religious material" :P
Thyrfa 2 years ago 4
At 5:30 Nathan refers to L. Ron Hubbard as "The Creator".
WTF?
ScientologyWisdom 2 years ago
The creator.. of Scientology...
dawgeth 2 years ago
Possession of heavy weaponry? Sounds a lot like the Waco Compound.
BillionYearSP 2 years ago 2
No it's not. It's a fucking inquiry from a person who is truly interested as to what it's about. You can ask any other person about their religion, what they believe and why, you're not going to get stonewalled and accused of persecution. FAIL Tommy DAVIS. EPIC FAIL! Play him off, Keyboard Cat!
THEsonOfPan 2 years ago 2
Tommy Davis is such a bad cult spokesman.
clitoris999999 2 years ago 3
"...what you're doing now right now is an intent to ridicule religious beliefs, that's really what we're talking about.."
No no no TD, the interviewer was doing an ~excellent~ job of keeping a straight face. Trouble is the beliefs sound so straight out of a science fiction novel it's ridiculous by default. Scientology is using its weaknesses against the interviewer! is that a coup de l'automutilation?
anonymooseconsultant 2 years ago
So from what Tommy said asking anyone about their religion is an offense on the highest level. But I can go and ask any other religious person and they will take time and explain anything about their religion to me. I know I have done it and it was very enlightening.
And why is the first thing any scilon does is attack the person asking or being critical about their belief. What a way to believe.
DemonRaaze 2 years ago 4
Did he say they are stockpileing heavy weapons? That's not good.
madman8852 2 years ago
@ 4:33
"Now, according to this high level Scientology book, those are basically implanted images from an extraterrestrial dictator."
O_O
WAHAHAHAHA!!!
SumoAnnoy 2 years ago 4
Ban the scam!
XenuTravolta 2 years ago 3
nathan takes on the cult with the truth.
jnycnuk 2 years ago
stop bad mouthing Christianity...
there is not required cost to be a catholic...
you pray the way you want, i dont have to put money into my church to 'move up to a higher level'
TGxDarkMaverick 2 years ago 4
@TGxDarkMaverick
Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion. Everyone has the right to say what they want and believe what they want to believe. You may not have to pay to achieve a higher standing in your church but i'm sure you tithe. Every christian i've ever know does so. ALL religions are ridiculous, scientology just happens to be in a class of it's own. That being said, it has some awesome stories, much better than anything in the Abrahamic faiths IMO.
guruosnus 1 year ago
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Interesting agenda this Nathal has.
Why he can't ask the same questions to the POPE regarding weird bible writings??????
I tell you why.
He would not make any money investigating
what is written in the bible, cause there are not pharmaceutical companies paying him!
That is all!
marcotai 2 years ago
praise Jesus...
TGxDarkMaverick 2 years ago 4
So hang on a second! Rather than addressing the Xenu story. A story which negates Dianetics and everything written in it. Instead youd rather attack Nathan with some crazy ass conspiracy shit! Tell you what, wheres the proof? And dont point me to rhetoric(word clear it
)
Fack is theres printed proof everywhere, confessions from ex-scilons and freezoners. And now even Tommy admiting to it.
So why do scilons have to do the whole Dianetics con when they should be getting rid of body thetans,
Slicolas 2 years ago 3
and not engrams? Look it up, its all true. Even admitted by Tommy here.
The $cientology excuse for doing everything before ridding your body from Body Thetans(dead space aliens) Is that if youre not prepared youll get pneumonia and die. hubbard said that the material in OTIII was so powerful his arm and ribs broke upon discovering it. However anyone is able to read and practice it without harm. Now doesnt that seem important to you?
Engrams are the cause of your woes its space aliens!
Slicolas 2 years ago
I can fully answer why theres the "bridge" and i can tell you why no one is allowed to find out about the space aliens til later. Ask me why theres loads of reasons. None of which you can argue with. If you can that means $camology is right and you win. But if you cant fight and stick up for it it means you lose and i dont just mean lose this discussion. Thats if you dare to entre it!
Slicolas 2 years ago
Thats meant to reas engrams ARENT the cause its dead space aliens.
Slicolas 2 years ago
Scientoligist moron, ignoring the facts to focus on crackpot accusations.
pulpschmieg 2 years ago 3
Tommy Davis is such a failure.
zambimaru 2 years ago 16
"Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.
And because lawlessness [sin] will abound,
the love of many [for Jesus Christ] will grow cold."
(Matt 24:11-12)
burkee123456789 2 years ago 2
That's the difference between religion and scientology. Religions can tell you exactly what their core beliefs are. Scientology is offended by people wanting to know what its core beliefs are.
Edubbplate 2 years ago 2
the reason is because you haven't paid your memebership fees in COS.
tgoodfella 2 years ago 3
scientology isnt a religion but it has to be the most huge scam ever
Alex618mir 2 years ago 2
I've spent time trying to figure out what in the world Scientology is. There's really no information for what they believe in. Talk about a secret religion, how are you supposed to recruit??
toker4two0 2 years ago
its secret unless you pay big money,they say give us your money so we can cleanse you body and when u pay enough u will be able to know the "truth"the truth is that hubbard was a sci-fi writer who thought that if there was a jedi church why not a church for him to make money,so he build up a stupid story about alien soul release and vaccumed into cinemas,with images of our religions,and then release among humans and thats is why we are sad angry and depressed,so stupid,only cunt would believe it
Alex618mir 2 years ago
Scientologists are batshit crazy, no doubt....but you can just as easily cite passages from the Bible, Torah, Koran, etc and say to Christians, Jews, or Muslims "you believe this inane bullshit?!" Just sayin.
mgbeach2009 2 years ago
That's exactly what we should be doing.
mooniusss 2 years ago
It's not that they believe it.
It's that so much money is involved that they'll KILL you over it.
mryellow123 2 years ago
and think how much money is involved!
pplz kiil pplz for bread, and i mean thats millions of dollars we'r talking about here
electronikita 2 years ago
"Tommy Davis sucks huge monkey cock."
Huge? David Miscavige is a dwarf. Even Tom Cruise looks tall at his side.
annonbanana 2 years ago
Tommy Davis sucks huge monkey cock.
SharksKid 2 years ago
4:39-4:40 the womens like "what the fuck? 0_o"
STUNTS1516 2 years ago
David Miscavige is also a psychopath who beats up his staff for fun:
watch?v=RT_ZrLfpCRM at 3:00
annonbanana 2 years ago
Tommy Davis isn't the leader of Scientology. He's the spokesperson. David Miscavaige is the leader.
TakayaFreeman 2 years ago
check out 4:38 -- the girl can hardly believe this crap!!
m0j0w0rking 2 years ago 3
Ofcourse people are going to hate, scientologists dont give any information to media/community about their intent or subject matter. general public and media have a right to know about scientology; that it is not a threat to public safety, including, financially, psychologically or human rights. What church has body guards, hill survelliance and will not be transparent with their teachings? I dont think anyone has to respect this dickheads core belief or reflection on the wider community.
BU2UB 2 years ago 2
tommy davis ? a TOP leader HA H A HA HA HA HA HA Tommy couldnt lead himself to the little boy's room HA HA HA HA Top leadrmy fuckin ass HA HA HA
fzappa007 2 years ago 4
Oh, lord. Lil' Tommy has just admitted the oft-denied Xenu story. Oh, snap...
AAAaronson 2 years ago 3
Top leaders? He seems more like a bottom to me
sixstringpsyco 2 years ago
Davis says hes not interested in the real material even if its been stolen from Cof$ & is legitimate as Davis says hes going to believe whatever fantasy suits him. thats not Scientology as we know it. It was written as objective fact so it could never be subjectively believed like Christians choosing either old testament being eye for eye people or new testament quotes from nicer Christians or terrorists finding hate passages from Koran. thats why those religions can have subjective beliefs
midguardz 2 years ago
However you Tommy Davis have just demeaned Hubbard's own tenants by ridiculing it with your interpretation. In KSW Hubbard told u that tenants get misconstrued by subjective belief from objective statements so no Tommy you've just admitted you want to believe whatever fantasy even when the truth is pushed under your nose so why should we now take anything you say seriously since you invalidate your own church with your zealous subjective delusions. Put out more Hubbard lectures on mainstream TV!
midguardz 2 years ago
Avoid dem' questions my boy!
VonMudkipton 2 years ago
Avoiding the question, lol :D
JealousInquiry 2 years ago
major lulz @ 3:40. tommy shits himself.
jas22 2 years ago
There is a man named Tommy Davis
His religion cannot save us
I really must say
He seems rather gay
And should change his name to Mavis.
Xenuke :)
xenuke 2 years ago
"There is a man named Tommy Davis"...
Oh, that's rather amusing!
Poor Tommy's really a poor boy. Fancy having to lie for this cult. He really must have something to hide.
"Find their ruin" - as "Lol" Ron Hubbard used to say.
I wonder what Tommy's ruin is?
IamScarface 2 years ago
"Why am I not dead yet?"
OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kurplunkachu 2 years ago 4
Scientology:
This is an accurate portrayal of your schizophrenia.
This is but the first of many to come.
chenalos 2 years ago
According to the scriptures of scientology the Christian, Catholic and Jewish faiths are all fake but evil Laird Xenu is real!
No wonder this guy is sensitive to people ridiculing his schtick. All you have to do is read it and he accuses you of ridiculing his "faith".
Tommy Davis is the Ultimate Tool.
eeepic 2 years ago 4
scientology is the tool
binotouts 2 years ago
instead of calling us Activists just call us anonymous XP
ITGMan 2 years ago 2
You 'new anonymous' are the cancer killing anonymous.
pato2747 2 years ago
Old Anonymous can have cancer because there isn't any direct forth put of who the cancer is going too. So Anon is AIDS/Cancer proof.
ITGMan 2 years ago
Cancer goes through a one-way road towards the site. I don't care anymore, I put distance between me and the cancer.
pato2747 2 years ago
Poor Tommy Davis -- forced into spin control for the "church" of Scientology while his leader David Miscavige hides from the public and intimidates lowly Scn members behind the scenes.
2009 has started out bad for Scientology and is only going to get worse!
NarkAnon 2 years ago 2
Nobody should be asked to defend their beliefs? Really? Same old tactic. We're a religion so you can't question us. Well then Tommy boy, why do you FORCE your congregations to PAY MONEY every step of the way? And we're talking LOTS OF MONEY.
I love how during this who series of reports, the male anchor is reduced to every single time ending by saying, "it's an interesting report" etc. You're frakken' right it's interesting! Somebody please write this guy a better line!
mjr256 2 years ago 7
Wait. Did he just admit that the xenu space alien story is the cult's OT3 level? That's awesome. 5 star, fav, subed, stumbled and dug!
HouseSpiderAnon 2 years ago 2
Tommy doesn't even know what to say anymore. lol. poor poor Tommy, u love your little scamming organization and it will be be your downfall.
Imariscent 2 years ago
I love that answer to the interviewers question as to why am I not dead yet after reading OT3 Material. Tommys answer. "Ub I I I he he, here were going to the basic fundamental point that I'm trying to make. Okay. What your doing right now, and what it is that your saying to me, is an attempt to ridicule religious belief. Thats really what were talking about, and a your just trying to forward an agenda of hate"
iamitchey 2 years ago
I feel a flush of fever coming on, OMG! I think I might be coming down with PNEUMONIA!!!
Cough cough, wheeze!
BoombaGoomba 2 years ago
Got a question about that booklet of 4chan memes....
Do they know 4chan is a pit of humor blacker than the void of space and is in fact - jokes?
Are they perhaps beleiving that they Anon are possessed by a short girl in a green dress with hetrochemical eyes who is worshipped by the name of "Desu" or that they are watched from above by a feline who answers to the name "Ceiling Cat"?.
Epic Fail Is Epic.
Strettger 2 years ago
hey, as long as it makes anonymous look bad it's FTW.
ITGMan 2 years ago
I feel a bout of pnumonia coming on. Damn you L. Ron Hubbard. You were right all along. Your check is in the mail.
anonamace 2 years ago 2
Time to go to RPF prison camp for Tommy Davis. Why would a "church" need prison camps anyway?? They are "the most ethical people on the planet". Pathetic mind control CULT.
anonamace 2 years ago 4
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Retard.
JuLollyA 2 years ago 2
The ruin of scientology is written everywhere. This doomed cult reeks of it.
AnonymousCracker 2 years ago 4
Homosexual Tommy Davis is toast! LOL!
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago 2
nathan guy rulz lol he is adeff anon
raverkiddy 2 years ago
Nathan def is an Anon
gnoblar5556 2 years ago
Jesus, Tommy is the worst PR guy I've ever seen.
I hope he gets sacked; I miss Pat Harney and would like to see her again.
LurkingObesity 2 years ago 2
Baca shat all over this jackass. HELL YEA GO NATHAN GOOOO!!
forry90 2 years ago 2
Tommy Davis shit the bed on this one.
LilJimmyNordin 2 years ago 5
When you get down to it,all religions are a threat to freedom.
Linuxrat 2 years ago
How so? Is it because most teach ethics? That's like saying the judicial system is a threat to freedom. With any religion, you should feel free to pick and choose what you feel in your heart is right.
KBFF 2 years ago
People don't feel threatened(?) about religion because of their ethics. You don't have to be religious to pick and choose what is right or what you think is right. The judicial system IS a threat to freedom. But we try hard to only take away the freedom from the ones who hate other people (at least that's what we want). With politics and gigantic corporations that idea is slowly dying along with the planet. Because power corrupts. Even in Scientology.
Tizmahn 2 years ago
I so enjoy watching Tommy Davis squirm and weasel during his interviews~
Jmbrandon9 2 years ago 2
He is a tool isnt he?
Lumotaku 2 years ago 2
Duck and weave, Tommy-Boy!
Can you imagine a Catholic priest or a Moslem iman saying that quoting the Bible or the Koran is offensive and using that as an excuse to avoid answering a simple question?
thefifthman 2 years ago 3
If you think the church has nothing to hide check out the youtube vid-
proof scientologyis a cult - 3 (front groups)
A member of the church of scientology has bought the CAN (cult awareness network) site and phone number, so if people think they are talking to a sympathetic ear they could be unknowingly putting themselves and others in danger, including family members trying to get family members out
LONG LIVE ANONYMOUS
fuckpong 2 years ago 3
Nathan RAPED this guy.... He shit all over Tommy Davis, and Tommy has nowhere to go. He can't answer SHIT and it's hilarious. Fuck the Co$.
poopjuice0 2 years ago 3
this guy cannot, has not, and refuses to answer a single question Nathan has asked. How can he say that the reporter is trying to put down Scientology by asking what L. Ron's own words are and what they mean? Does the Pope accuse people of putting down his religion when we ask about the Christian ways? This series of reports just made Scientology look more like a bigger joke than a religion.
DragonFire1024 2 years ago 2
I totally agree. Other religions, when asked about their beliefs, would happily jump at the occasion and would in no way feel 'offended'. It's funny that in another interview, which can be found on youtube, when asked about the human body being possesed by space aliens, Tommy Davis just laughed it off saying: "Does that sound ridiculous to you? It's unrecognizable to me". Now he's saying the total opposite.
inf0isFree 2 years ago 2
SAD FAIL for Tommy Davis & $cn. HUGE WIN for Anon & the TRUTH!
Would ANY Jew, Christian or Muslim be offended by being asked about Moses parting the seas, Mary's virgin birth, Jesus turning water into wine or Mohamed given the Quran by an angel?
The pot calls the kettle black: $cn claims ALL religion -everything really- came from an electronic implant using imagery to instill in us FALSE BELIEFS. It invalidates EVERYONE's faith & ALL existence in one fell swoop, one LARGE GENERALITY.
(cont'd)
jdtrickster4 2 years ago
This blanket statement is a SUPPRESSIVE CHARACTERISTIC & says weve ALL been brainwashed into a FALSE REALITY. What we know as true has in fact been implanted in us & we need to accept $cn & cleanse ourselves if we wish to see the light & become an ubermensch (OT).
Nothing is real but $cn. Thats why they want a blank slate; a Clear, who can then become OT. When acted upon, as $cn does, harassing those who dissent, criticize & protest, its dangerous & a breach of our precious freedom!
jdtrickster4 2 years ago
Does that mean that we should all consider Tommy Davis an SP? ;)
It is indeed a scary cult and I really thank KESQ and not least Nathan Baca for these reports on the $cilons. So much respect for risking their fairgame policy to you Nathan! *bows down in the dust*
tolindorden 2 years ago
The short answer: YES!
There are 12 'characteristics' for an "anti-social" personality & 12 'traits' for a "social personality." You compare them side by side & if you have more of one, you're an SP.
When I got out one of the things I did was grab an Ethics book & compared them. L. Ron had most of the SP ones, if not ALL.
My conclusion: L Ron is an SP & $cn is a suppressive group. I left ;-)
I just love the fresh smell of body thetans in the morning.
PS I'm not good at short answers. :-)
jdtrickster4 2 years ago
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It does not make sense by any standards I know of, other than the standards scientology creates. It would be like a Real Estate Agent trying to sell you a house and telling you to look at the house and buy it by what you see BUT do not look at 3 of the rooms and IF you do - you are committing a crime and I will have you arrested. Question is, would you buy that house?
elmargritzi 2 years ago
It does not make sense by any standards I know of, other than the standards scientology creates. It would be like a Real Estate Agent trying to sell you a house and telling you to look at the house and buy it by what you see BUT do not look at 3 of the rooms and IF you do - you are committing a crime and I will have you arrested. Question is, would you buy that house?
elmargritzi 2 years ago
Full interview up @ kesq. com
9 Parts. Enjoy. ^^
AnonRanGER01 2 years ago
So if I ask a Christian about Jesus I'm offending them?
xenubarb 2 years ago
Revoke the "church" of scientology's tax exempt status now!!!!!!!
yawawot 2 years ago
Cult and commercial organization hiding under the cloak of "religion".
endofacult 2 years ago
The reporter is told the way to understand scientology is to read scientology materials and told it is a 'hate crime' to read some scientology materials. It is like saying, judge us based on evidence but you are committing a 'hate crime' against scientologists if you look at 'all the evidence'.
elmargritzi 2 years ago 4
don't personally care about the space alien concept... all religions ask you to believe in something that may or may not be possible.. it's the RPF, fair game, and disconnection. Gosh Tommy Davis is a whiner. Heh, I'm stayin tuned!
shalindriaharam 2 years ago
you know.. I'm actually interesting is reading the material.. I own not all but a few books, but a lot of it is hard to understand and.. no offense I don't think I could ever ask a scientologist to explain it to me. I don't want them yelling at me like this guy =/
subzero879 2 years ago
That's a common theme. If you ask someone if they really believe the allegedly sacred stuff, it's insulting to them, and they play the "we are offended" part. One should have none of this nonsensical reaction. People actually have a right to be offended, don't have have right to be not offended, and will have to endure that their firmly held beliefs are scrutinized by others.
Locateson 2 years ago
Tommy did something similar back when confronted by John Sweeny. He had been following Sweeny around, so Sweeny confronted him to ask him why, and Tommy turned around and started yelling at him, saying something like "...You have insulted my religion and offended me..." "well guess what...NOW I'M ANGRY! VERY ANGRY!"
Then he turned into a super saiyan and threw fireballs at John.
Relyt22 2 years ago
This is GREAT!!!!! I like how he turned it around on Tommy Boy.
analyzingfunny 2 years ago
i cant believe these assholes think that anyone who asks about Scientology are biggots.
you suck tommy.
ElGreatHambino 2 years ago 2
OH this gets Tommy going. That newsguy is ripping him apart!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHH. I say we donate to the repoter for having the balls to do this.
analyzingfunny 2 years ago 2
Do you have anymore VOLUME you can give us?
analyzingfunny 2 years ago 2
I just came
firstcoming 2 years ago
"Why am I not dead yet?"
Owned!
Simanda 2 years ago 5
so much win in so little space
Snarkonymous 2 years ago 2
Ohmigosh! He actually said that it's offensive to ask someone about their religious beliefs! LOL! No one from a real religion would say something like that.
Go to kesq . com and give them LOTS of hits.
Butterflygrrl 2 years ago 9
"Scientology" edited by James R. Lewis, 2009, Oxford Univ Press, has a scholarly chapter on the "Xenu" myth. Scholars have finally broached the subject of the "no-longer-secret" scriptures. Look at WikiLeaks, read Hubbard's earlier edition writings, which are quite clear, and now in the public domain. The "OT 3 Course Pack" and the "Class 8 Course Pack" and the Class 8 lectures transcripts, tell the truth about "body thetans" and Xenu. Hubbard says "Xenu" in Class 8 Lecture titles "Assists."
chuckbeattyo 2 years ago
The Hubbard lectures and words, from WikiLeaks, read the OT 3 pack. Read the Class 8 scriptures, about ridding body thetans. Lots of ex high level Scientologists will confirm these WikiLeaks actual Hubbard scriptures as true. Scientology/Hubbard version of the "body thetan" ridding procedures. Baca is doing a public service. The public should know that "body thetan" removal IS Scientology/Hubbard practice.
Good job by this reporter. "Kill switch" point is good.
chuckbeattyo 2 years ago
tommy you FAIL! KESQ is doing it right.
$centology is a CULT
coreymon77 2 years ago 2
so fantastic!
traxdata2k 2 years ago
That is an AWESOME interview- I just love it when Tommy (hate crime) Davis cannot deal with the total lack of logic in his beliefs about OT3 and slips into accusing the reporter of "hate crime"!
Guess what Tommy, by your amazing logic- everyone (apart from the ever dwindling number of $cientologists) is now a hate criminal!
laserofjustice 2 years ago 2
haha fucking owned !
d00bie 2 years ago 4
I think that Tommy Davis is one of the biggest footbullets in Scientology history.
jucheanon 2 years ago 6
More $cientology ownage. I like.
zambimaru 2 years ago 6
Oh fuck the internet is here!
digitallykilla 2 years ago 6
Oh My Fucking Gawd.
tommy , thanks guy, just thank you.
chanologyASSIST 2 years ago 4
Woman's expression at 4:40 is truly classic.. keeps a straight face but turns to her co-anchor as if thinking "What the fuck??" ... GREAT JOB, NATHAN!!
XenuSmurf 2 years ago 5
2:02 "For you, someone who is not a Scientologist, to talk to me about what my beliefs are...."
Yes us inferior non-scientologists... far be it for us to ask questions about something that sounds a bit crazy.
Does Davis try to put it into a context so we can at least go "okay you believe that, fine whatever" instead they dedicate so much time to defensively reacting, steering off topic or flat out lying about it people just think "what a crock of BS!"
It's Scientology's own doing!
Speaker4Truth 2 years ago 6
Thankyou KESQ-TV for doing what many national broadcasters don't have the guts to do. Thankyou Nathan you winner.
deisel1967 2 years ago 2
Thank you Nathan, for the great job. Tommy Davis is so ridiculous. He is just asked questions (well, it's an interview), he lies (like always) and caught lying she claims to be attacked and a victim. No religion reacts like that when asked about their belief. Only crappy $cientology does.
mollie2810 2 years ago 3
The reason why they got the tax exemption in the first place, let's go back...
April 19, 1993: Davidian compound in Waco, Texas burns to the ground with parishoners inside. The incident draws public scrutiny upon the American federal government.
October 1, 1993 (6 months later) after a campaign of cohersion and blackmail by Scientology they are finally given a tax exempt agreement greater then any other religious denomination within the U.S.
I smell extortion....
Speaker4Truth 2 years ago 2
FULL INTERVIEW:
kesq. com (slash) Global (slash) story. asp?S=9998312&nav=menu191_1_1_2
Don't forget to comment. ^^
So much win...
AnonRanGER01 2 years ago 2
It's not complete ... where is the Xenu part? O.o
XENU, LOL
mollie2810 2 years ago
"It's not complete ... where is the Xenu part? O.o "
In part 4 of this Nathan said it was supposed to be 40 something minutes, so I guess the rest of the interview is going to be put up soon.
AnonRanGER01 2 years ago 2
kthx :)
mollie2810 2 years ago
should be today.
parrotnutz 2 years ago
2:48. He basically admits to the Xenu story. Watch it again.
Either Tommy Davis has seriously dropped the ball or the cult is changing tactics.
Weapons at the compound? The R6 Implant? OH SHI-!
Synth3t1cs 2 years ago 4
There are signed affidavits from ex-scn`ists saying there are illegal arms there. Baca was looking for one of them recently.
parrotnutz 2 years ago 2
2:08 Explaining your 'religious' core beliefs is offensive.... WTF?
Tommy I believe Jesus of Nazereth was the Christ; the one true son of god (I don't have any problems disscussing or explaining why, nor does any religious devotee - as a religion is a mainstream faith that is non-sectarian in nature).
Getting defensive about the beliefs (like Davis and the majority of Scientologists do) shows that either (a) they think its bullshit (b) they operate within a sect mentality.
Speaker4Truth 2 years ago 3
MOAR!
DarthX3nu 2 years ago 2
Tommy: "The best and easiest and most transparent way in which people learn about it is through L. Ron Hubbard's books and lectures."
Nathan: "Well, looking at L. Ron Hubbard's own words..."
Tommy (shitting bricks): M-hm...
...and then he acts all offended that Nathan inquires about the fundamentals of their faith. LOL. Priceless.
And the tax exempt status is mentioned... juicy. ^^
It's so awesome that this continues next week... GO KESQ-TV! GO NATHAN! I smell much win in this.
MOAR!
AnonRanGER01 2 years ago 9
fucking dumbass. How is it offensive to ask someone to explain the core of their beliefs? That's what one need to fkn know to make a choise. God damn.
TD is a live and walking footbullet.
manan0nim0us4 2 years ago 5
Awesome job!
I'm starting a Nathan Boca Appreciation Society. Who's with me?
anonymousmontreal 2 years ago 6
@ 1:49 Did I hear what I thought I heard?
AnonSandmastah 2 years ago 2
look at the female presenter at 4:40. lol
manan0nim0us4 2 years ago 2
i believe what you heard is the sound of win.
laladiel 2 years ago 2
or epic fail for tommy boy.
laladiel 2 years ago 2
"@ 1:49 Did I hear what I thought I heard?"
I know what I DIDN'T hear- denial of the Xenu story.
Interesting.
AnonRanGER01 2 years ago 4
love this stuff LOL
bodgerd 2 years ago 2
Oh dear Tommy, you got you got your pretty little ass owned.
"to talk to me about what my beliefs are or to ask me to explain any core religious belief, that's an offensive concept"
What planet are you from Tommy?! Go into any church of just about any legitimate religion and ask them to explain the concepts behind their faith/religion's core beliefs, and you'll have trouble trying to stop them talking about it!
TheEvilOfScientology 2 years ago 12
To Nathan and the entire team...Awesome job. I am so thankful someone FINALLY had the balls to expose this cult for abusive sham it really is. Thank you! Now maybe law enforcement agencies will finally open their eyes.
avbbcake 2 years ago 8
Nathan, for the IRS tax exemption, be sure to contact Arnie Lerma & Larray Brennan; the have the best knowledge of this topic.
AnonOrange 2 years ago 2
Nathan, thank you!
popol321 2 years ago
NATAN I LOVE YOU SO MUCH
AnonymousQuebec 2 years ago 6
WIN
deathdude88 2 years ago 5