@TheWorldisJCK From a psych student - Those groups that are being forced to give way the power they have over what would be an out group to them (so for us Caucasian Americans, that would be every other race but, for men, it's women, etc) often feel they are giving too much when, in reality, they are giving very little at all. :3 Yes, you have a right to say what you want to say, so long as it doesn't cause harm to people. Disrespect and racial slurs are harmful. ^_^ Know your rights.
@80roadster, Its is because of these jackasses not knowing thier ass from a hole in the ground that Chief Illiniwek has been forced into retirement it makes me sick that this had to happen to the U of I. But yet i NEVER hear anything about these assholes going after Florida State! WTF?!?!?!?!?! Recently have gone after south dakota state and forced them to change they are now the jack rabbits or something like that. (formerly the Fighting Sioux) Get the F outta here you tell me its not B.S.
I don't get why people condone Native American mascots. Having a team called the Redskins is along the same lines as having a team called the Slanty Eyes to make fun of Asians, or the Rednecks to make fun of rural Americans, or the Negroes to make fun of African Americans. People would be LIVID if Whites, Asians, Mexicans, or Blacks were caricatured as mascots. So why is it okay to only portray the Native Americans in this way?
@xstagelightsx Don't sugar coat it. If this were happening to Asians and Blacks, the equivocation term to Redskins would be the Chinks or the Niggers. And we all know that shit ain't happening right?
@n8tivlily :3 And for the Mexicans out there, that would be Wet-backs. People are using derogatory terms and racial slurs to promote an unrealistic image about a group of people, further enforcing racial prejudice towards not just Native Americans, but towards every group, by allowing it to be ok in certain situations.
@08bluman, Thank you for your kind response. I doubt that those who wanted the "Chief" banned ever saw him in person. Everyone stands, hats come off, it is a very reverential ceremony. I really hate it when someone calls him the school mascot. The "Chief" is not a cartoon character or a fool. Everyone I know in Champaign/Urbana loved the Chief, as I do. And he is missed.
As a Native American and a graduate of the University of Ill. I would like to point out that Chief Illiniwek, in particular, is not offensive in any way. The "Chief" as he is affectionately called, is NOT a mascot. He is the "Spirit" of the school. He did not roam the sidelines or appear at mall openings or do the tomahawk chop. He appeared at halftime of the basketball and football games and did his dance. Everybody stands in reverence during his appearance. It is a VERY respectful event.
@80roadster Thanks for that example. As I've said, this video wasn't meant to lump all schools into one category, but rather to discuss a controversial topic for an assignment.
I do believe there are some schools out there that are respectfully honoring the tribes they represent, while others don't care or wrongfully assume they honor natives.
Also, some students from respectful schools are disrespectful while some students from disrespectful schools are respectful. Generalizing is dangerous.
the chief is no longer a mascot because the NCAA forced U of I to officially state that he is no longer the mascot. that however was always and remains the sole function of the chief: being a mascot. this is a simple fact.
I don't see what "political correctness" has to do with this. This is a simple issue: Should we continue doing something that deeply offends a large group of people, or not? I don't see any justification for continuing this, and I wouldn't want to embrace a tradition that caused people pain. I also find it interesting that the cursing in this discussion is coming strictly from the people who want to continue these "traditions."
@08bluman do you even know why the chicago balckhawks wear the indian head sweater. its not a tribute to the native americans its a tribuute to the original owners machine gun unit in WW1 whos name was the black hawks. read ur history.
@Cfish79 No, I did not know that, thanks for the info.
I merely showed a picture of the blackhawks because it was a high quality image that showed a jersey with a Native American on it. I don't believe I ever actually spoke Chicago's hockey team specifically.
The point of this video was not to advocate stripping every single team of their mascot, but rather to logically present a single perspective of the issue. Feel free to disagree with me, but don't troll my video.
@08bluman i'd also like to say that u show non of the native americans who are in support of these mascots... i.e. eastern michigan U (Hurons) eagles. read into it.
@Cfish79 This video was made for an entry-level college English class as a project that took the place of a persuasive essay. The purpose of the assignment was to resent my and my partner's perspective clearly, logically and persuasively.
Had the video been informative or journalistic in nature, believe me when I say i would have presented both sides of the argument.
If anyone's interested in seeing a really good movie on the mascot issue look up "In Whose Honor" by Charlene Teters. It's the movie about Charlene protesting chief Illiniwek and starting the whole fight against Native mascots as a whole.
Later on others joined her; but in the beginning it was just her standing alone against the same kind of hateful mob that I encountered at the University of Illinois campus. She was a really strong person, that's for sure.
I remember last week when I was protesting chief Illiniwek how hostile pro chiefers were. They screamed at our faces that they were honoring us and to "go home" among other cursing and racial slurs. People did the tomahawk chop and versions of the chiefs dance while mocking us.
What really stuck with me was seeing a dad praising his 5 year old son for yelling at us "fu$king savages, we own the chief!". That moment really showed me how far we have to go before we're considered equals in society.
So, next time you think that a college is not celebrating its heritage, think again. Half the audience at a football game may as well be Native. But you are blinded by color just like the rest of the Nazis on this planet. Grow up and adapt!
F'n hypocrites! I am mostly Irish, but I have Cherokee in my bloodline. My father is very dark. Just cause we don't look like "Natives" doesn't mean we are not a part of the family. You think this country is NOT full of blended people and that we have to have long black hair & dark skin to celebrate our ancestry. You deny me when you say that. What does that make me...nothing? Stupid blog! You ALL still only see color of skin! Many white and black people in this country ARE Natives!!! A-holes!
@UlquiLawlybunnychan I don't see anyone who has said that people with native heritage have to be the dark-skinned, dark-haired stereotype.
The point is simply that there are many people with native heritage (whether dark-skinned or not) who are offended by the cartoonish depiction of their (and your) ancestors.
@Cfish79 Not a single aspect of this video says that all Native Americans are dark-skinned and dark-haired. Another person yelled at me about this. I don't know if you guys are trying to be oppositional or misunderstood something.
We presented the point of view that some Native Americans don't like the representation of them by some sports teams. End of story.
Also, should you choose to comment on my video again, please do so in one comment.
lots of schools and fans just slap the name "Redskin" and wave foam tomahawks and scream gibberish with face paint. utterly disgusting.
Yet some teams, like (Central Michigan, Utah, Florida State, etc) treat the moniker with pride and respect and its usually cause they have genuine roots to the particular tribe. I still feel chills when I see thousands upon thousands boom when Chief Osceola slams that spear into the turf.
@GrizzDipper95: Political correctness does not hinder traditions. Where is your data suggesting that natives feel honored by these mascots? Colonel Rebel wasn't a Native American, so that's not even relevant to the discussion. Think about what you're saying before you say it.
All Native Americans should dress and live traditionally even today. These sickening displays of racism degrade a people and culture that was so in tune to the cosmos and all around them. Their culture and ways are desperately needed today.
I am of native heritageand many of my friends full and partial blood do not in any way feel honored by these mascots. So they may lie to themselvesbut be advised it is a lie nonetheless
It's amazing to me how Americans don't realize the blatant racism of this common practice. While I can't stand the ignorance, it makes me hopeful to see things like this circulating the media. Thank you! Great job.
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fireprincess59 2 weeks ago
1:09 i think thats my Native American History Teacher...Ms. Sandy Dixon :0
YOSUPAHHH 2 weeks ago
Go Redskins and Go Braves! Does this offend you? This is just more political correctness and white guilt, Freedom of speech ftw
TheWorldisJCK 2 months ago
@TheWorldisJCK From a psych student - Those groups that are being forced to give way the power they have over what would be an out group to them (so for us Caucasian Americans, that would be every other race but, for men, it's women, etc) often feel they are giving too much when, in reality, they are giving very little at all. :3 Yes, you have a right to say what you want to say, so long as it doesn't cause harm to people. Disrespect and racial slurs are harmful. ^_^ Know your rights.
fireprincess59 2 weeks ago
@80roadster, Its is because of these jackasses not knowing thier ass from a hole in the ground that Chief Illiniwek has been forced into retirement it makes me sick that this had to happen to the U of I. But yet i NEVER hear anything about these assholes going after Florida State! WTF?!?!?!?!?! Recently have gone after south dakota state and forced them to change they are now the jack rabbits or something like that. (formerly the Fighting Sioux) Get the F outta here you tell me its not B.S.
Shipy5392 5 months ago
@Shipy5392 it is NOT b.s. :)
n8tivlily 1 month ago
htt p ://wh .gov/ gmM Retire All Ethnically Offensive Mascots From Public Schools
honeybeaful 5 months ago
I don't get why people condone Native American mascots. Having a team called the Redskins is along the same lines as having a team called the Slanty Eyes to make fun of Asians, or the Rednecks to make fun of rural Americans, or the Negroes to make fun of African Americans. People would be LIVID if Whites, Asians, Mexicans, or Blacks were caricatured as mascots. So why is it okay to only portray the Native Americans in this way?
xstagelightsx 6 months ago 5
@xstagelightsx Don't sugar coat it. If this were happening to Asians and Blacks, the equivocation term to Redskins would be the Chinks or the Niggers. And we all know that shit ain't happening right?
n8tivlily 1 month ago
@n8tivlily :3 And for the Mexicans out there, that would be Wet-backs. People are using derogatory terms and racial slurs to promote an unrealistic image about a group of people, further enforcing racial prejudice towards not just Native Americans, but towards every group, by allowing it to be ok in certain situations.
fireprincess59 2 weeks ago
The message I got from this video: Except for a few exceptions, indians and their culture make for GREAT logos.
dukedevils688 11 months ago
It's official... political correctness has destroyed this country. Long live Chief Illiniwek.
GOllumboy101 11 months ago
as a college professor, I think this was a well done piece. thanks for sharing!
lospunkysdewloo 11 months ago
negative imagery? oh please........just more liberal progressive bs!
chicagosport 1 year ago
@ponyrae, the simple answer is political correctness. I still maintain the people who are against the Chief never saw him. And he is missed.
80roadster 1 year ago
@08bluman, Thank you for your kind response. I doubt that those who wanted the "Chief" banned ever saw him in person. Everyone stands, hats come off, it is a very reverential ceremony. I really hate it when someone calls him the school mascot. The "Chief" is not a cartoon character or a fool. Everyone I know in Champaign/Urbana loved the Chief, as I do. And he is missed.
80roadster 1 year ago
As a Native American and a graduate of the University of Ill. I would like to point out that Chief Illiniwek, in particular, is not offensive in any way. The "Chief" as he is affectionately called, is NOT a mascot. He is the "Spirit" of the school. He did not roam the sidelines or appear at mall openings or do the tomahawk chop. He appeared at halftime of the basketball and football games and did his dance. Everybody stands in reverence during his appearance. It is a VERY respectful event.
80roadster 1 year ago
@80roadster Thanks for that example. As I've said, this video wasn't meant to lump all schools into one category, but rather to discuss a controversial topic for an assignment.
I do believe there are some schools out there that are respectfully honoring the tribes they represent, while others don't care or wrongfully assume they honor natives.
Also, some students from respectful schools are disrespectful while some students from disrespectful schools are respectful. Generalizing is dangerous.
08bluman 1 year ago
@80roadster HA yeah you wish
lion3p0 1 year ago
@80roadster Why in the world would they get rid of him? I think that is ridiculous. It was honoring native americans. and he will forever be missed.
ponyrae 1 year ago
@80roadster
the chief is no longer a mascot because the NCAA forced U of I to officially state that he is no longer the mascot. that however was always and remains the sole function of the chief: being a mascot. this is a simple fact.
Daniel0112358 5 months ago
@GrizzDipper95 I'm not a liberal and I am ABSOLUTELY against Native mascots.
Daisy123M 1 year ago
I don't see what "political correctness" has to do with this. This is a simple issue: Should we continue doing something that deeply offends a large group of people, or not? I don't see any justification for continuing this, and I wouldn't want to embrace a tradition that caused people pain. I also find it interesting that the cursing in this discussion is coming strictly from the people who want to continue these "traditions."
Iceberg111 1 year ago
@Iceberg111: Thanks for the support.
Don't read too much into the swearing.
Anonymity on the internet often lets people throw their manners aside.
08bluman 1 year ago
@08bluman do you even know why the chicago balckhawks wear the indian head sweater. its not a tribute to the native americans its a tribuute to the original owners machine gun unit in WW1 whos name was the black hawks. read ur history.
Cfish79 1 year ago
@Cfish79 No, I did not know that, thanks for the info.
I merely showed a picture of the blackhawks because it was a high quality image that showed a jersey with a Native American on it. I don't believe I ever actually spoke Chicago's hockey team specifically.
The point of this video was not to advocate stripping every single team of their mascot, but rather to logically present a single perspective of the issue. Feel free to disagree with me, but don't troll my video.
08bluman 1 year ago
@08bluman i'd also like to say that u show non of the native americans who are in support of these mascots... i.e. eastern michigan U (Hurons) eagles. read into it.
Cfish79 1 year ago
@Cfish79 This video was made for an entry-level college English class as a project that took the place of a persuasive essay. The purpose of the assignment was to resent my and my partner's perspective clearly, logically and persuasively.
Had the video been informative or journalistic in nature, believe me when I say i would have presented both sides of the argument.
08bluman 1 year ago
If anyone's interested in seeing a really good movie on the mascot issue look up "In Whose Honor" by Charlene Teters. It's the movie about Charlene protesting chief Illiniwek and starting the whole fight against Native mascots as a whole.
Later on others joined her; but in the beginning it was just her standing alone against the same kind of hateful mob that I encountered at the University of Illinois campus. She was a really strong person, that's for sure.
BlackfeetSinopaa 1 year ago
I remember last week when I was protesting chief Illiniwek how hostile pro chiefers were. They screamed at our faces that they were honoring us and to "go home" among other cursing and racial slurs. People did the tomahawk chop and versions of the chiefs dance while mocking us.
What really stuck with me was seeing a dad praising his 5 year old son for yelling at us "fu$king savages, we own the chief!". That moment really showed me how far we have to go before we're considered equals in society.
BlackfeetSinopaa 1 year ago
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So, next time you think that a college is not celebrating its heritage, think again. Half the audience at a football game may as well be Native. But you are blinded by color just like the rest of the Nazis on this planet. Grow up and adapt!
UlquiLawlybunnychan 1 year ago
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UlquiLawlybunnychan 1 year ago
F'n hypocrites! I am mostly Irish, but I have Cherokee in my bloodline. My father is very dark. Just cause we don't look like "Natives" doesn't mean we are not a part of the family. You think this country is NOT full of blended people and that we have to have long black hair & dark skin to celebrate our ancestry. You deny me when you say that. What does that make me...nothing? Stupid blog! You ALL still only see color of skin! Many white and black people in this country ARE Natives!!! A-holes!
UlquiLawlybunnychan 1 year ago
@UlquiLawlybunnychan I don't see anyone who has said that people with native heritage have to be the dark-skinned, dark-haired stereotype.
The point is simply that there are many people with native heritage (whether dark-skinned or not) who are offended by the cartoonish depiction of their (and your) ancestors.
08bluman 1 year ago
@08bluman i know a red hair light skinned native american. his brother have dark hair and black hair. its just their traits
Cfish79 1 year ago
@Cfish79 Not a single aspect of this video says that all Native Americans are dark-skinned and dark-haired. Another person yelled at me about this. I don't know if you guys are trying to be oppositional or misunderstood something.
We presented the point of view that some Native Americans don't like the representation of them by some sports teams. End of story.
Also, should you choose to comment on my video again, please do so in one comment.
08bluman 1 year ago
@08bluman one comment...what happened to freedom of speech?
Cfish79 1 year ago
I thinks its a case by case issue.
lots of schools and fans just slap the name "Redskin" and wave foam tomahawks and scream gibberish with face paint. utterly disgusting.
Yet some teams, like (Central Michigan, Utah, Florida State, etc) treat the moniker with pride and respect and its usually cause they have genuine roots to the particular tribe. I still feel chills when I see thousands upon thousands boom when Chief Osceola slams that spear into the turf.
RollOnToVictory 1 year ago
Heh, this was my topic for debate and this helped out A LOT. Thanks so much
SimoneGotDatSwagga18 1 year ago
@GrizzDipper95: Political correctness does not hinder traditions. Where is your data suggesting that natives feel honored by these mascots? Colonel Rebel wasn't a Native American, so that's not even relevant to the discussion. Think about what you're saying before you say it.
08bluman 1 year ago 9
i'm native american this make me sick see poeple useing are name like this
helldog134 1 year ago
i like all of u guys on here NATIVE PRIDE NATIONS WIDE!!! BRING EM ALL DOWN im bringing down the mukwonago indians right now
lion3p0 1 year ago
when i was high school every Friday i dress up i don't cut my hair i still believe old ways living my people
helldog134 2 years ago
All Native Americans should dress and live traditionally even today. These sickening displays of racism degrade a people and culture that was so in tune to the cosmos and all around them. Their culture and ways are desperately needed today.
garvaltwins 2 years ago 4
right on! yes that is how I feel as well.
I am of native heritageand many of my friends full and partial blood do not in any way feel honored by these mascots. So they may lie to themselvesbut be advised it is a lie nonetheless
mybuddyrobin 2 years ago
It's amazing to me how Americans don't realize the blatant racism of this common practice. While I can't stand the ignorance, it makes me hopeful to see things like this circulating the media. Thank you! Great job.
amschem 2 years ago 3